Yeah. I saw another video where Karajan discussed classical music with Yehudi Menuhin, and he seem a bit uncomfortable to have a conversation with him.
Ozawa is an excellent interviewer, making Karajan comfortable and open up. He is also an excellent conductor, at least in my book. For Stravinsky Firebird or Tchaikovsky symphonies, Ozawa is and remains a top-notch choice
Japanese people respect authoriy, master and teacher A LOT. To act arrogantly is not acceptable and against their moral code. Karajan is the BIGGEST at those days and he was also Ozawa's teacher for some time. So Ozawa here is acting with full respect, praising and compliment Karajan all the way down.
It's surprising to see how Karajan converse with Ozawa down to earth. Both respect each other. And it's interesting that Karajan has formal wear and Ozawa casual. Karajan is speaking very valuable lessons for all the conductors and musicians as well.
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Un colloquio tra amici. Il più anziano ed esperto (uno dei pochi geni del '900, secondo il mio parere) impartisce bellissime lezioni di vita e di direzione al suo allievo più giovane. Tra l'altro Ozawa fu anche suo stretto collaboratore alla direzione, chiamato a Berlino per molti anni. Si nota abbastanza chiaramente che l'atmosfera è molto amichevole, difficile trovare un Karajan più rilassato, pronto a farsi sopraffare dall'entusiasmo quasi fanciullesco del più giovane Ozawa, che riesce addirittura a parlargli sopra. Un video davvero piacevole che spiega piuttosto bene quanto possa essere importante un buon rapporto umano, al fine di ottenere risultati; artistici o professionali che essi possano essere.
It must be 1983 or so, because Ozawa says "I'm music director for that orchestra for 8 years..." He became director in 1975, as I recall. Plus, it may be a Japanese video, due to the captions. Great to see these two musical giants talking. It's like a mini master class.
Karajan was and still is above ALL conductors. A human being with super natural talent. He was/is the Mozart and Beethoven in conducting. Unbelievable...
Thanks for this wonderful interview. I am shocked by the fact that Ozawa at almost 46, already music director "from many years", didn't know who Mengelberg was!! After this, HvK seems to talk to him as to a teenager conductor, in my opinion.
Karajan’s gaze was gentle, as if his father was admonishing him to do so. Maestro had a very heartwarming personality towards his disciples who he was open to. And, this Karajan’s talking has very important Connotation. The methodology is centered around establishing beliefs. Karajan and his allies Dr.Böhm, Szell, and Matačić etc. have undoubtedly had that sensibility since childhood. They were not the job of sales conductors, but the Professional Genuine conductors. It takes a lot of time, daily study, and healthy control to make Karajanism a "Force" in a private medicine basket. This is backed by an extremely valuable amount of time and dedication.
QUÉ HERMOSO VIDEO ,MR.KARAJAN GRAN MAESTRO , AL FIN LOGRO ESCUCHAR SU VOZ, AMABLE DE OJOS GRANDES LUMINOSOS , EL PADRE DE LA PERFECCIÓN ORQUESTAL VOCAL,DEJÓ UN VALIOSO LEGADO , DISFRUTO SUS PRESENTACIONES , SON MARAVILLOSAS.Q.E.D..(Los Ángeles Chile).
Karajan spoke in ANY language no bullshit,just to the point and never had paciance with bullshiters !!! Haitink,just the same,great maestro,i know so,i workrd with him !
yes, I know:-) I love in great persons also their great difects, so interesting. Furtwaengler was envious, without a reason because he was a great. But ok this is nice and interesting as well. It's funny all this between really heroes of art. Oh wish we have a again great men like thery were, with their great qualities and "great"faults. BTW ... there were the great F, after the great K, and the K it's not Knappertbusch.
yes, there are. Karajan really respectful. I could not imagine a interwiev of Furtwaengler respectful of Karajan. He was a enviuos man, even if a great artist. (excuse me for my bad english).
@carlosbuscatore ----ah...eres chileno...con razón no entendíste mi comentario--a manera de sarcasmo--- porque el también maestro Ozawa, le da un parecido al cómico mexicano , Jo-Jo Jorge Falcón (poner nombre en buscador si se quiere constatar)--saludos
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カラヤンを限りなく尊敬し師と仰ぐ小澤と、小澤に一目置き尊重し丁寧に接するカラヤン。帝王と呼ばれたあのカラヤンとこんな関係、こんな会話が出来る指揮者が日本にいる…これは物凄い事だと思う。
こんなにリラックスして話してるカラヤン初めて見た。小澤さんとは凄くいい関係だったみたいだね。
日本人として、小澤征爾を誇りに思うと同時に、彼の情熱を受け入れてくれたヘルベルト・フォン・カラヤンにも、最大限の敬意を表する。ありがとう！
実に貴重な映像だ。
カラヤンコンクールで優勝した小澤征爾氏。
帝王が、まるで友達扱いしているのに、感動すら覚える‼️
すごい映像だ❗️
カラヤンはマエストロの中のマエストロ。クラシック音楽のデジタル音源化にいち早く理解を示し、当時開発中のCDの録音時間の決定に関与した。馬術やクリケットなどスポーツを好み、レーシングカーや飛行機も乗りこなし、オシャレで家族を大切にした。憧れますな。
貴重な映像ですね。
小澤はカラヤンの弟子として有名ですが、話のリードがうまい。
インンタビュアーとしても才能があるように見えました。
Never seen Karajan so relaxed and speak so freely. He even seems quite warm hearted
Yeah. I saw another video where Karajan discussed classical music with Yehudi Menuhin, and he seem a bit uncomfortable to have a conversation with him.
RIP Maestro Seiji Ozawa
カラヤンがなぜ目を瞑って指揮をしていたのか、フルトヴェングラーに比して身体を動かすことが少なかったのはなぜなのか、積年の謎がこれで解けた。感動しました。
Ozawa is an excellent interviewer, making Karajan comfortable and open up. He is also an excellent conductor, at least in my book. For Stravinsky Firebird or Tchaikovsky symphonies, Ozawa is and remains a top-notch choice
世界一の指揮者カラヤンさんの指揮するオケを見たかったな…… 同じ後悔をしないために小澤さんのは絶対見に行きたい
小澤さんは体調の問題で、もう松本の小澤フェスティバルでも振られないかもしれませんね。今年もコロナがなかったとしても指揮しない予定でしたから。
聴くチャンスがあるとしたら、水戸室内管弦楽団を水戸芸術館で指揮するときぐらいだと思います。今年コロナがなければ、水戸でアルゲリッチ氏と共演される予定でした。
来年以降にチャンスを掴まれることを願っています。
貴重な対談ですね。人生において大切なことをおっしゃっていました。勉強になります。
karajan a genius we will never see his like again
Japanese people respect authoriy, master and teacher A LOT. To act arrogantly is not acceptable and against their moral code. Karajan is the BIGGEST at those days and he was also Ozawa's teacher for some time. So Ozawa here is acting with full respect, praising and compliment Karajan all the way down.
It's surprising to see how Karajan converse with Ozawa down to earth. Both respect each other. And it's interesting that Karajan has formal wear and Ozawa casual. Karajan is speaking very valuable lessons for all the conductors and musicians as well.
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出典は、1981年の「カラヤンとベルリン・フィルのすべて」というTV番組。
場所は、パリのホテル・プラザ・アテネのようです。
このとき小澤さんは、パリ・オペラ座で「トゥーランドット」を振っています。
小澤征爾さんはカラヤンの愛弟子のひとり。小澤さん曰く「（カラヤンに）弟子入りするまでは、見るからに怖くて仕方なかったが、いざ弟子入りすると、とても暖かかった」そう。
カラヤンは色々揶揄される事も多いが、後進の指導にとても熱心だったのは、評価されても良いと思う。
Karajanは ドイツ人認知心理学のオイレンヘルゲルの弓と禅と言う本を読んで日本の禅に興味を持って毎日瞑想をし、演奏会の前に一人部屋にこもって瞑想をしていた。目を瞑って演奏するのは瞑想の続きだろう。東洋人の小沢征爾にも禅を生み出した日本に敬意を持っていて小沢征爾に親愛の情を持っていただろう。
むしろ自分のレコードが多く売れる東洋の日本という国でクラシック愛好家が多いので一目置く上得意先だったのかも。
３0歳代前半の小澤征爾が、京都交響楽団で指揮したときのことを思い出します。指揮者によってこれほど音が変わるのかと、子どもながら強烈な感動に浸っていました。
Oh,my goodness! that's a great and rare conversation. thank you for posting!!
this dialogue is so beautiful!
お話を聞いていますとやはりレジェンドだと感じます 世界のオーケストラを指揮する者としての観察眼も持ちあわせてらっしゃったんですね 未だに亡くなられた喪失感がなくなりませんね〜……
Un colloquio tra amici. Il più anziano ed esperto (uno dei pochi geni del '900, secondo il mio parere) impartisce bellissime lezioni di vita e di direzione al suo allievo più giovane. Tra l'altro Ozawa fu anche suo stretto collaboratore alla direzione, chiamato a Berlino per molti anni.
Si nota abbastanza chiaramente che l'atmosfera è molto amichevole, difficile trovare un Karajan più rilassato, pronto a farsi sopraffare dall'entusiasmo quasi fanciullesco del più giovane Ozawa, che riesce addirittura a parlargli sopra.
Un video davvero piacevole che spiega piuttosto bene quanto possa essere importante un buon rapporto umano, al fine di ottenere risultati; artistici o professionali che essi possano essere.
カラヤンはワンマンだとか我儘だとか言う人がいるけれどそれは違う。
彼は誰よりも演奏する音楽を愛していて、なおかつ知り尽くしている人なんだと思う。
誰がどうすれば良いのか、それを知っていて、伝えることが出来て、奏者に演奏させる事が出来る人なんだと思う。
それって「天才」ですよね。天才とは軽く使われる事が多いけれど、カラヤンは本当に天才だと思う。
と言うか…そのネクタイ、とてもお似合いです♪素敵です♪
そうですよね 訳の分からないことを申す批判家もいますが、彼の凄さをよく分かっていないと思います 私はカラヤンの大ファンです！
It must be 1983 or so, because Ozawa says "I'm music director for that orchestra for 8 years..." He became director in 1975, as I recall.
Plus, it may be a Japanese video, due to the captions.
Great to see these two musical giants talking. It's like a mini master class.
karajan is amazing!
Karajan was and still is above ALL conductors. A human being with super natural talent. He was/is the Mozart and Beethoven in conducting. Unbelievable...
I agree...Karajan is unprecedented!!!!
RIP Ozawa 😭
Thanks for this wonderful interview. I am shocked by the fact that Ozawa at almost 46, already music director "from many years", didn't know who Mengelberg was!!
After this, HvK seems to talk to him as to a teenager conductor, in my opinion.
Fantastic Conversation!
オケも、互いに聴きあうのか。指揮に従うのかと思っていた。フルートを聴け、かぁ。いい指揮者は言うことが違う。
素晴らしいカラヤンと素晴らしい小澤征爾!
小澤征爾の話術が素晴らしくて、カラヤンも饒舌になっている。
２人の天才の対談を聞いていると、本当に惹き込まれてしまう。
Karajan’s gaze was gentle, as if his father was admonishing him to do so. Maestro had a very heartwarming personality towards his disciples who he was open to.
And, this Karajan’s talking has very important Connotation.
The methodology is centered around establishing beliefs. Karajan and his allies Dr.Böhm, Szell, and Matačić etc. have undoubtedly had that sensibility since childhood.
They were not the job of sales conductors, but the Professional Genuine conductors.
It takes a lot of time, daily study, and healthy control to make Karajanism a "Force" in a private medicine basket.
This is backed by an extremely valuable amount of time and dedication.
Interesting interview between two great conductors. Doubt it was in Paris though, looks like Japanese TV.
It's recorded by the Japanese TV, probably NHK,, but it looks like the conversation took place in somewhere in Europe.
so great. it's just way too short!!
国宝級の貴重な映像。カラヤンの喋り方と声がイメージと違った。
Karajan sounds like yoda!
QUÉ HERMOSO VIDEO ,MR.KARAJAN
GRAN MAESTRO , AL FIN LOGRO ESCUCHAR SU VOZ, AMABLE DE OJOS GRANDES LUMINOSOS , EL PADRE DE LA PERFECCIÓN ORQUESTAL VOCAL,DEJÓ UN VALIOSO LEGADO , DISFRUTO SUS PRESENTACIONES , SON MARAVILLOSAS.Q.E.D..(Los Ángeles Chile).
お二人が話してる映像なんてあったんですね。とても勉強になったし、おもしろかったです！
「フルートを聴きなさい」か。さすが、帝王の指示は格が違う。
His voice is instantly recognizable. He speaks English pretty well.
I love them💜💜They are so cute😀
弟子の小澤征爾と師匠のカラヤンのインタビューはとても貴重です。聞き手が弟子だからなのかリラックスした感じです。ドイツ語もですが一部英語も混じっています。
To great legends ❤❤
sweet...
Glorious Herbert!!!!!
Karajan!.........the only real MAESTRO!!!!!!!!!
:) Anyway it is a pleasure to hear Karajan.
カベームもカラヤンも晩年まで精力的にオペラを指揮していた。。そういう所が私は好きだ！！
im in love
小澤先生がカラヤンを語る上で絶対的に使うエピソード「第一バイオリンにフルートを聴いてと頼んでみなさい」
Maybe this is a mistake to call this an interview--it should be called Ozawa's conversations with Karajan
Yes. Most people don't know how to conduct an interview, and this is a good example.
これは、すごい それしか言えないｗｗ
Ozawa ❤
演奏中にカラヤン氏の指揮から学ぶことが出来た小澤さんの観察力も凄いです。師匠である齋藤秀雄から真剣に学び本質を見抜く力を高めていたからでしょうか。
Yay! Herbert Von Karajan said Calgary!!! @6:17
このインタビューを見てカラヤンの指揮がオーケストラをドライブするのではなくキャリーするのだということがよく分かりますね(ドライブとは自分の言うを力づくでコントロールすることでキャリーとはある程度オーケストラの意思を尊重することです)。
これはかなり貴重な映像なのでは…！？
来日公演~~went to JAPAN
I wonder to see a master...
@carlosbuscatore Creo que con "Jorge" te refieres a Ozawa. es un encuentro entre grandes
Karajan spoke in ANY language no bullshit,just to the point and never had paciance with bullshiters !!! Haitink,just the same,great maestro,i know so,i workrd with him !
It's as if his voice is a price for his conducting. :P
Lmao. This is exactly how I feel. He has an authoritative look, but the voice of a tree frog.
Well, now I'm not sure. He says at about 7:55 that he's 45, almost 46; which would put it about 1980 or 81.
------¡hey,qué ondas! -------- ¿por qué está Jo-Jo Jorge Falcón entrevistando al gran maestro Karajan?
指揮してる動画はよく観てるけど
話してるとこ初めて観た＾＾
いい感じの人ですね＾＾
指揮も実際に生で聴きたかったなぁ＞＜
生ではないですが
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カラヤン氏が指揮をしている所です
yes, I know:-) I love in great persons also their great difects, so interesting. Furtwaengler was envious, without a reason because he was a great. But ok this is nice and interesting as well. It's funny all this between really heroes of art. Oh wish we have a again great men like thery were, with their great qualities and "great"faults.
BTW ... there were the great F, after the great K, and the K it's not Knappertbusch.
The orchestra is equivalent to the horse!
以前このインタビューは見たが、興味深い。カラヤンが?Don't conduct so much. と言ったのは興味深い。小澤征爾もオーケストラのメンバーに任せるの基本だと言うようなことを言っいていた。なるほどうなずいた。
and do you speak english? And Italian, Latin (yes, Latin), German and French? (this just about Karajan)
Do you know languages?
yes, there are. Karajan really respectful.
I could not imagine a interwiev of Furtwaengler respectful of Karajan. He was a enviuos man, even if a great artist. (excuse me for my bad english).
@carlosbuscatore ----ah...eres chileno...con razón no entendíste mi comentario--a manera de sarcasmo--- porque el también maestro Ozawa, le da un parecido al cómico mexicano , Jo-Jo Jorge Falcón (poner nombre en buscador si se quiere constatar)--saludos
ふむふむ小澤さんはこんな風な英語を話してたのか。。
Ozawa says this at about 5:35.
not paris
it was japan, probably
小沢さんが「先生から学びたい最も大切なこと…」
と言った時のカラヤンの反応はどういう事だろう
なんだかその質問の後に何かしら話が合ったように感じますね。編集されてる感じがしますし突然オペラについての話に代わっているので
たぶん、もう技術的なことは全て教えていて「もう自分で歩いてゆきなさい。」と、自分の子供を叱咤するような気分なんでしょう。
小沢征爾が 交響曲 ばかりを演奏していたのでオペラ も 大事だぞといわれた。
5:19 Barbara Hendricks ❤
karajan speaks english too?
MEASTRO,LEGEND GOD
So u do not know how to do a search on Internet?...;-))))
Every conductor should take this advise seriously. The conductor cannot make the music come out of the orchestra.
HfM&Co.
｢一回目はどこかよそでやってから...」 小澤さん実践してますね。まず、よそ（日本）でやってからヨーロッパですね。
uhmmmss s of ozawa are anoying during karajan s talk
So who's Seiji Osawa?
LuizBHMG Orchestra Conductor
@hoopsmaster13 hahahaha, right! :-DDD
You didn't understand me.... If Karajan sounds like yoda, how does Osawa sound or look like?! hahahaahha ;))) I know him!!!!
6:18 Karajan: "...in Cagliari"...????????!!!!!
Alessandro D'Agostini Calgary?
カラヤンは耳が良くオケを厳しく練習後のサウンドは非常に美しく音楽の解釈はわかりやすい。オザワはリズムが躍動し音楽が生き生きしている。二人は共通点が多く友好的なのだろう。足りないものはフルトヴェングラ－、ベーム、チェリビダッケ、バーンスタインの音楽の核心に迫る演奏。
jajajajajaj
カラヤンに敬意をもって話してるって事も理解出来ない馬鹿のくせにおざわとか呼び捨てにするなんて、物凄いね。
Pretty bad Japanese translation. They mistranslate at important points.
Karajan seems very uneasy.
ヨーダみたいだな
小沢なんて書くから民主のほうかと思ったｗ
字幕を見ていると完全に尊敬話しているように見えるが、あのカラヤンと話が出来てテンションが高くなって舞い上がっちゃったのはわかるけど、あのフランクな話し方（単純に当時の小沢の英語力が低いだけという事かもしれんが）は対等にｊ会話していると言える。当時のおざわが、あのカラヤンとな。様とかさんとか、付けた方がいいか？ｗ
何にも事情を知らない?小沢征爾は Karajanの弟子で先生と弟子の関係。何もかも舞い上がっていない。
おざわのくせに、カラヤン様と対等に話せたなんて、物凄いね。
先生と弟子の関係なのに無知で酷いですね。
not paris
it was japan, probably
I was waching this video on Japanese TV. Karajan come to japan to have the concert in japan,maybe.