Someone: [Job] is easy. Those people who play that job: NO IT ISN’T YOU DON’T GET IT Someone: DNC is easy. DNC mains: hell yeah bro that’s why I play it
as an almost mediocre WHM main, the hardest content is learning new mechanics while keeping those who are also learning new mechanics alive long enough for them to actually learn them
I don't main healer, but dipped my toe in WHM to lvl it. My first P1 run with it had my yelling at my screen going "how the ACTUAL shit can ANYONE say this is hard to play? You spam Glare and fart out a CD heal if needed, possibly a Cure 2 or 3"
@@kampfh7150 I’m in stormblood doing the raid stories right now, but I’ve at least attempted every single extreme trial, and have cleared 90% of them with randoms (I can’t get a group for hard raids). I’ve only found two uses for cure3, and that was while trying to prog through Minstrel’s Ballad: Thordan’s Reign and farming Shinryu for the dog. Basically I’ve learned that the only time cure3 is even decent is when there’s a stack marker that shows up reliably enough to even be considered. Never let anyone tell you WHM is hard. The role might be stressful, maybe. But WHM as a class is not hard.
I clicked for comedy and then you just proceeded to spit facts for 13 minutes. It's so funny seeing people in actual "power-ranking" tier list videos debate jobs when the hardest content they've cleared is Sastasha
@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 My man, this is exactly why I picked PLD to main ever since ARR. Back when PLD LITERALLY only had one combo and 2 OGCDs. Was the life. I still main PLD but those early years of easy cruising lmao.
I got booted from a static because I played SAM and despite parsing the best the group they decided it's because I was not a reaper that we failed, and not the grey parse healers and tanks. This is vindication.
that is bullshit, as long as you are doing your DPS check and not fucking up mechanics it doesn't matter, unless you are doing some speed running challenge.
Oof. And here I am, still black maging in my static despite getting out DPS'd by both tanks, and parsing so low, analyzers didn't realize I was part of the fight. -_-
I remember one of my friends sending me a DPS chart for all the jobs, and he was like "haha look your favourite job is at the bottom" and I was like "okay? It's still capable, it literally does not matter." He was like really invested in my being mad for some reason. I just like pushing drill.
Dancer = Better at the top 1% of the game Machinist mains having to explain that at all other 99% of the time they are optimal, and for some reason having to explain they're playing what they like: 🍵🗿 Dancer mains when they have to explain why they play the job at the bottom 99% just because they like it: 🍵🗿
>ending me a DPS chart for all the jobs You will be mad when your DPS is below the job average. The top% DPS doesn't matter much for the average player, the AVERAGE DPS does
"Machinist is dead, because it's suboptimal in high-end content! There's literally no reason to play it when Bard does more damage!" Sorry, but I couldn't hear who the fuck asked over me firing a reassembled drill for the 7,389th time and still not being bored of it.
@@garbagebandit5934 Says the guy parsing below 6k in high content while the whole party knows it's you pulling them down and wiping to enrage. This community has turned brain dead for a while now
just try juggling the inventory when you have fallen for crafting and gathering instead of fighting. let alone trying to remember what jobs, order and quantity of each material is required to single handedly craft whatever is required on the fly.without using the markets.
@@cystarkman The real horror is going into an Ocean Fishing junket without having made at least 40 bag slots available beforehand -- and even then, that might not be enough on a three-Spectral run! (Thank goodness there's a Merchant on The Endeavor for selling off unwanted fish.)
@@blackmagekongs2588 Hmm, as a dedicated crafter and gatherer I very rarely use the market board and do my best to carry all the main resources / pre crafted essentials on hand. Sometimes I need to duck off to harvest something rare. I suppose to a Black Mage all the running about, harvesting and crafting chains of things would be arduous. Need to find yourself someone like me on the party.
@@ssjgokuhan Yeah I already do that. All my tanks basically have the same layout. Also I always put single target on one bar, aoe on the second, cds or on the third, etc.
I feel this on a spiritual level. But the thing is, if these people don't constantly boast that "our class is so difficult to pick up and learn" then how else are they going to stroke their ego peen. I bet they can't even cook an egg without macros, too difficult for em.
nin mains crying "Our job is the hardest and most complex in the whole game" THE ONLY THING HARD ABOUT NIN IS PRESSING BUTTONS IN ORDER( which can actually get fucked by ping sometimes, but a lotta jobs get fucked by ping) If you cant press buttons in order, do what one of my linkshell peeps did and Macro them to your stream deck
As a Machinist main actually it is pretty easy. The hardest part is remembering when your Cooldowns are about to pop and to wait a GCD to pop Hypercharge
There is no worse feeling as a MCH main than using reassemble and seeing both Air Anchor and Drill on cooldown, you just accept the extra dmg on Heated Split Shot
The idea of having a low skill floor is really important and its always funny how angry gamers get mad when this is brought up. Some classes have a higher skill ceiling, but like your video on "last expansion was better" the ease of accessing another job is why the game is so relaxing to pick up
The only people I ever witnessed getting mad at this were the type of person to spend 10 hours of their day spamming the Manderville in Limsa because they suck at their classes despite the low skill floor
A low skill floor is fine, but it feels like the skill cap is also very low. Its hard to set yourself apart when it take minimal effort to play well once you know your rotation etc. Can't set yourself apart much from fighting, can't set yourself apart with gear choices, can't set yourself apart with passive skill point choice(long received), and Materia has become somehow even more basic. Its a great game for playing with others, but extremely unrewarding for someone trying to do well. Beyond maybe extreme, or ultimate's which is ultimately a very small part of the game.
Whenever I hear someone say 'Old SMN was difficult' I have to question if we played the same job. I would agree if they said '5.0 SMN was difficult' but for most of the expansion past the big 5.1 SMN changes it was just... easy? Like just keep dots up, spam ruin 3, and use bahamut or phoenix when they're up. Maybe the hard part was keeping the 2 minute rotation up but even then that isn't... hard?
I disagree with the part about it being hard to figure out what you're doing just by reading the skills though, at least at a good enough performance level. Back then I had only just started doing EX level stuff and didn't bother with class guides, even with that limited degree of experience, I was still able to just just went out, read over the skills playing around with them for an hour or two after the rework and ended up getting pretty much all of it except the early leaving Dreadwyrm trance to align with raid buffs, which made it easier to play and turned outto not really be necessary anyway.
i would always call it "clunky" not "difficult". why? well besides pet AI being unreliable, you were constantly having to decide if you should refresh your dots manually or wait for your next tri disaster reset. if they had just made it so your dots lined up with tri disaster cleanly the class would feel just fine. I still do prefer the class vision in endwalker, its a clear step into a much more clear identity as an actual summoner.
@@eiozza You gotta admit dot upkeep, aetherflow upkeep, egi assault upkeep, etc is a bit more to keep track of than what smn does now. Not saying it was noticably difficult, but the initial information barrier was def higher in shb. Personally enjoyed the dot and heavy weaving playstyle smn had in shb more than what we have now, but to each their own
Pet behavior and drift was atrocious, as much as I loved SMN at the time I could never go back. Plus the primals are fun *and* it's pretty great that people can use whatever color egi/carbuncle they want now without sandbagging the party or trolling/griefing! Extra special shout out to the multiple Titan-egis I would see on the regular in Ivalice and NieR Alliance Raids, especially if they were the ones who had a "witty retort" on hand for anyone who tried to help. My favorite will always be the "Garuda is my waifu" guy from Copied Factory though, nobody knew how to respond to that so gg man.
Meta nerds in FF will always be a mystery for me. In any game, to be honest, will never forget how in WoW my friend got kicked out for playing "bad" subclass from a normal fucking dungeon
I got shat on whenever i was trying to run Mythic+ on my enhancement shaman in BfA and Shadowlands, no one would accept my applications. But once in a blue moon when i got accepted i would absolutely destroy meters with ease. Found it baffling
@@thegreatdanish6778 yeah, and the fact that some specs are good in raiding, but bad in mythic+ make it even worth. Honestly, I think that I started playing FF mostly because of ppl on youtube praising balance + ability to have multiple jobs on one character
Boy do I have a story and a lesson to tell... While leveling my Hunter alt in Shadowlands, I was playing as Survival because I like melee and am a Fury Warrior main. (Mongoose Fury is also fun, it's kinda like a combo, it escalates in power.) I queued for normal Necrotic Wake, the 52 leveling dungeon. Then there was our tank, Mr. ChadThunderCock6969, a Keystone Master blood death knight, who proceded to pull virtually everything past the first boss and complained when the lowbies running casual content didn't optimize and interrupt all those magic bolts that stack negative health absorbs on you. I pointed out that this was just casual leveling content and he's being a dick, then he tried to shit on me for playing the wOrSt dPs ClAsS iN tHe GaMe. I then proceded to do the most damage in the dungeon despite feeling like I could barely manage the rotation. The tank was a perfect example of toxic elitism and the dunning kreuger effect. 1. Casual content tends to have more casual players. Sometimes it's people learning new classes or specs, sometimes it's people who just wanna mentally checkout for a bit. Expecting it to operate like your VOIP M+ games is retarded. (In my case: I absolutely didn't interrupt when I actually normally do, but my interrupt weakauras also weren't working on Survival, and I fixed it later.) 2. Survival is a spec, not a class. 3. Survival is shit at level 60 when you have: Legendaries, covenant abilities, soulbinds, and conduits all stacked on top of each other inside a raid with ST fights. Not at level 52 in a dungeon.
That’s because in wow the class u play actually matters, the disparity between classes can be so massive in terms of aoe/st dmg/healing/mitigation. But this will only ever apply to high end content as thats where it matters the most. That little or big difference can make or break fights/clears. But since preferences/info from up top trickles down to the lower levels of play, people will always be sheep an follow what is said instead of doing what they want. A lot of content is easily clearable with anything so long as u take the time to learn the class an mess around with it to see what works well an what doesn’t. Wish wow wasn’t this way since a lot of the “underpeformers” can really pop off an makes it exciting to see that.
@@Kakyoin489 I kinda like some parts of WoW class design, especially unicness of some abilities and how different classes feel in some ways, but how you are expected by most players to play most meta thing + how hard it is to play multiple characters really ruined game for me. Of note, if I play one class or build in any game I will get bored really fast. I had about 4 max lvl characters in BfA and still I always wanted to try something new. In that perspective FFXIV is just perfect for me
I too have been frustrated over the balance discourse lately. Now that xiv has a much larger player base, more loud people with wrong ideas for the game have been voicing their opinions... loudly.
I still cannot believe there are people in the comments railing about “dps loss due to jobs in high end content” when the entire game is just pushing buttons and Simon says with pretty graphics. Damn, give us a break and leave us alone to have fun and play what we wanna play. Not everyone wants to suffer for theoretical number values that ultimately means nothing by next patch. 99% of us just want to glam, farm mounts, and interior decorate
yeh but for some ppl thats the fun part to maximise like if you are a raider the content is already almost non existent svg 4 fights you do once per week and 2 trials thats it before all the ff14 is perfect andys come in im talking about just endwalker content
yes thats totally fair but you also need to give them the same respect you want from them because optimizing for more dps is actually fun for some people. is like the saying "treat others like you want to be treated"
My favorite thing is when people throw a fit and say a job is broken and or needs nerfs but dont play that job/role and are just regurgitating what they have heard.
You seem to forget how many 14 players seem to have never played a videogame before, or even know how to read. Like BLMs who think thunder 2 spam is optimal dps in a post BLM aoe simplification world, or healers who decide not only to pull extra mobs on their own, but do it with repose of all things. And all these people think they're qualified to weigh in on the balance of the game, despite not even knowing that TBN gives your dps back when it breaks.
@@tobiasisaac6996 Either you TBN and get to do a free oGCD, or you activate TBN expecting to get hit only for the boss to go into full-casting mode for 20 seconds straight.
For the TL;DR read the bottom of the post. You still have to learn how to play your character/class. Just because you've learned the patterns or learned multiple jobs doesn't make them easy. You've just gotten used to them. Of course it would seem "easy" to you, but what about the player who's never played the game before or even bothered to learn other characters/classes? Saying difficulty is based on the individual is a misleading statement. Some people are compatible towards certain things, but like said above, it doesn't make it easier or more difficult. You just understand it better or it harmonizes with your playstyle/personality. Some people excel at Math because they just understand numbers better and some people become actors because of their personalities. That doesn't make Math or acting any less/more difficult. We have two questions here; "Do you want to play something or do you want to beat something?" Difficulty would be defined by how demanding an individual finds something IF we are talking about the former question. Difficulty, to me, can be quantified by the amount of "how many tasks needed to complete something" and "window of error/how many mistakes you are allotted before failure" variables there are. Not by how well YOU are able to complete the task IF we're talking about the latter question. Anybody can press keys on a piano and "play" the piano, but some can actually play a song on the piano that's a little bit more complex than hot cross buns. The more difficult songs have more notes to play, more note-timing, and more demanding finger coverage which means more notes to miss or mistime. TL;DR: "Familiarity/routine does not equal easy and compatibility does not equal more or less difficulty" and "Playing something is easy. Beating something is another subject."
the summoner section is cringe to read. If you don't like new summoner that's fine, and even understandable. It's not a bad thing to have an easy dps or two for people to play though, and if you don't like it just play a new job. It's not like you have to make an alt for it.
@@JohnPaul-nb5iu Been there done that since ARR. Played BRD in ARR and HW botched that nice, moved to MNK for them to screw that up start of SB, I've been hopping jobs every expac and while I do feel bummed about it; if I don't like it, I don't like it and have to move on.
@@PatriotArro This isn't really a fair take though. And before I get into this, let me clarify that I am not a SMN main. I didn't even like SMN in ShB, nor do I like it in EnW. However, "Just level a different job lol" is an extremely nonsensical thing to say. Sure, you don't have to make an alt for it, but chances are, if you had SMN at level 80, you already knew this, and yet people are still complaining about it. Why? Because they completely and utterly changed how the job works. This is never actually a good idea. Making a job more accessible *can* be a good idea but only if you don't alienate the people who originally liked the job in the process. What if someone doesn't find the other jobs as enjoyable? What if they already leveled all the other jobs, but still mained old SMN because they simply liked it the best, and now the class they enjoyed most is basically just replaced by a whole new class? After all, "level another job lol" only works if the person only played SMN simply because it was the only DPS job they had leveled, which, it's exceedingly rare to find a player who isn't new yet has only leveled a single job. It's like going to a restaurant and ordering your favorite meal, but when you receive your order, it's actually a completely different meal. It's still vaguely the same meal you usually order, but the taste isn't the same and it has a completely different texture. When you understandably end up displeased with the fact that the meal you usually order has effectively been replaced completely by this meal you find less satisfying, another customer leans over, laughs at you, and tells you "just order something else", as if your preference for what you usually order was the product of ignoring the other options available, rather than the fact that you enjoyed it the most, and somehow the solution to having what you prefer being replaced by something that is different is to instead choose something else that is also completely different.
I'll forever miss 4.0 SAM, being a mindless idiot spaming hagakure on cd and shinten, the absolute stupidity of being able to build stupidly low gcd that double weaving was impossible and running out of TP instantly.
@@vaderglenn the way it worked was hagakure was a better use of your sen than midare setsugekka, but was on a cooldown, so you'd prio hagakure and shinten spam over it but midare as filler, it was really enjoyable, then 5.0 dumbed it down to always midare never think unga bunga
The "never nerf" crowd is so bizarre to me. They'd literally rather buff 10 other jobs and the BOSSES too than see just one number go down even though it makes zero difference in how you play the game. Actual caveman behaviour.
I agree, but also disagree. I do think people take it to an unnecessary extreme and seem to believe that all nerfs are inherently bad, but at the same time, it's understandable that people feel that way about them. Nobody wants to feel like they're getting *less* out of the same thing they were doing before. It's just not satisfying to the player. On the other hand, with buffs, people find it satisfying to do the exact same things they were doing before and yet get more out of it than they did before. It's why leveling systems work. People enjoy the feeling of becoming stronger, but nobody really likes getting weaker. Is it stupid? Yes. Is it irrelevant to the actual gameplay? Yes. Does the human mind care about it anyway? Typically, yes.
As someone who played WoW, i prefer the buff idea. Since anything strong in WoW was typically nerfed into the ground and you get the opposite situation where everything was answered with a nerf and with occasionally buffing others. Def feels like a situation that can go both ways, at least with buff everyone, you have very little reason to be mad and if you do get mad, well idk what to say lol.
I feel like a lot of it is context. Like maybe Reaper is the only job that is actually performing how they want it to. If everyone else was where they wanted them to be, but Reaper was overperforming, I think they'd nerf Reaper. That's what the Yoshida quote sounded like to me, anyway.
Hey man as a DRG main I just want a buff to Stardiver and that's it. I love my job and I'll continue to play it through every piece of content. I just want that one B I G attack so, I can scream "STARDIVER!" at the top of my lungs and for it to translate to more than the damage of a normal GCD and see it's impact on the enemy.
Walking out of a continuous 12 minute dps race and seeing shit like wheeling thrust or wyrmwind as my max hit is just...depressing. Especially when the entire thing is holding Stardiver specifically for buff windows, it's like you're just hoping that Stardiver will make you feel better by doing a big number and then it never does. Except for that 103k direct crit in SHB. That was a happy moment.
I'm surprised Wheeling or Wyrmwind comes out as your max hit. Heavens' Thrust + Life Surge is always my top one because of the second charge of LS basically guaranteeing that its available each time you would use it. But yeah that's the problem, it's all around the same damage and nothing really stands out so you feel like you're just dragging along a combo with no finisher.
@@InfinitumDiver Wyrmwind is quite possible since it's only 10(?) potency less than heavens, and as for wheeling sometimes RNG just decides to give you a max roll on the end of your combo while your heavens never direct hits the entire run. Was still weird as hell seeing something other than Stardiver or heavens as a max hit though.
We had our raid leader and a member blow up at eachother because that static member kept complaining about how P1S mechanics were easy, while getting clapped by aoe's. Said static member also complained about how FF14 was too easy. Said static member is now no longer a static member.
Sounds very similar to someone we had at tryouts a couple of months ago in ShB, cocky new player (we were all new players) who kept going on and on about how easy ffxiv was but got mad at himself and brought negativity to the static because he couldn't actually do the mechanics, i felt bad for him but there's no reason to lie to yourself if you keep failing the mechanics, just be humble and learn :/
@@Lunamana last static i was in i had a samurai who freaked out when i did one mistake in like 10 runs everyones else did mistakes before but no when the drg does one mistake i get yelled at ofc i clapped back cus im not a pushover he was the main reason i left later and since then im a happy pug raider its nice to have freedom
Thank you for making this video. I'm about to start FFXIV when it goes back on sale and I was worried that I'd be bad at the class I like playing or that I'd be bad at all the classes. You explaining that all jobs at a mediocre level can clear content let's me know that as long as I pay attention, I can expirence the story with whatever job I enjoy.
You missed to notice the world comparisons between now and then after the job change. There is massive key difference between the two images. One is on the left, other is on the right.
Man, if Chair is blowing a gasket this hard on SAM players, I hope he never reads the Monk threads on the official forums.... There's no hope for those people...
Whenever any job changes, no matter how much of an improvement it is, there will ALWAYS be people who cry that the old version was better. Happened with the 5.0 Machinist rework too and I wouldn't be surprised if there's some insane people out there who liked Heavensward Paladin.
@@haziqtheunique They want the positionals back. They don't like having only 2 positionals and preferred it when they just had their basic rotation and 2 OGCDs. Monk has always been awful to play and even when it had really good dps, nobody played it. Meanwhile, Endwalker Monk is so fun to play, it was one of the top played dps class alongside RPR. All of the "Monk Mains" thought that nobody would play the class and raids would reflect that. Than when world-first groups had monks they back-pedaled and said they just weren't "REAL" monk mains. It's very toxic group of people on the forums. Usually the same 7 people.
That's like a total of 10 people. Had a guy say anatman was fine because monk is functional and has good DPS. Shit baffled the fuck out of me. Having a useless skill at level 78 is fine? When the job doesn't change really from 60-90? Great DPS sure, but it's kind of disappointing.
Good lord this hits close to home. Every time I make a FFXIV lore video that doesn't match up perfectly with someone's OC Fanfiction. There's at least a handful of people that throw an absolute fit. I'm convinced that many people have nothing else to do in life other than complain about pointless junk.
Out of all the opinions I've seen you put to voice, this is the single most accurate. My static successfully cleared P4S week one. We did it with a Paladin (lowest dps tank), Dragoon (lowest dps melee), and Summoner (2nd lowest dps class overall). Another friend of mine is a Dancer main, and refuses to swap off of Dancer to play Bard, despite begging, pleading, and flaming from her static. She mained Dancer in 11, she's going to main Dancer in 14. Play the class you fucking enjoy. If you are good at the class, then you can clear anything in the goddamn game, bar none. By the time we killed p4s, we still had another 7 seconds before the enrage finished, and this was with safety gaming mechanics that we could honestly have safely greeded. That 7 seconds was more than enough to make up the difference between Bard and Dancer. It's not hard. As for the criticism one, nothing irks me more than somebody absolutely *refusing* to do the bare fucking minimum to go from "absolute garbage fire" to "passably mediocre". I may be a 99-parsing sweatlord optimizer who genuinely enjoys sitting down with the raid and optimizing for single second differences in buff timings, but most people aren't, and I understand that. But there is NO excuse for just... refusing to *read your goddamn tooltips*, learn the absolute fucking basics of your rotation, and use every ability in your toolkit. Tanks who don't mitigate, healers who don't dps or use ogcd's, dps who only do their 1-2-3... And the two current worst of them all: the Shroudless Reaper, and the WebMD. Read. Your. Goddamn. Tool. Tips.
@@Guardsmen4 Somehow this dumbass reaper didn’t do the job quests… As for a WebMD… All WebMD does is spam a bunch of useless Diagnosis that does fuck all. Now, what does a particularly bad Sage do?…
I started Samurai in EW (leveled through 3 expansions since I was a trial before.) I've heard people complain about pre-EW version, but never really understood it; the closest I got, was leveling. Having 1 Tsubami felt boring, and Namikiri feels meaty and I love using it. It was my first actual DPS character, so positionals and combos were a bit to get used to, but after playing it enough I only mess up when a super important mechanic is happening or coming up. I've said this in other videos, but I think difficulty is what you're playing + what you're playing against; it's the standard for PvP games, so why not PvE? Anyone can headshot a moving target dummy in Apex or Overwatch, but what about when that dummy starts trying to kill you? You have limited time, need to position yourself properly multiple times, and THEN you need to perform your role/job at a sufficient level. While watching pro players in shooters, the main thing I took from it: consistency. Top raiders are also like this. Doing EVERYTHING right *consistently* is where the difficulty lies. This is all just talk, though...I play at a satisfactory level, but by no means think I'm near the top. I don't parse, but if I'm not missing a beat in my rotation that's all I need to know. Now..lining up burst windows with friendly buffs/debuffs is something I haven't done much. Having a static likely helps with that. ANYWAYS this post is way too long.
It absolutely blows my mind what the FFXIV community complains about when it comes to class balance. I would kill for the level of class balance this game has to be the MMO standard. I've been playing WoW since actual classic as a kid, and you have specs if not entire classes literally left to die for an entire expansion doing literally half the DPS or healing as another spec/class. The FFXIV community has it so good when it comes to *actually* getting to play whatever you want. People seem to forget that that's not at all how it works in other games and that if you don't bring the meta, the possibility of you getting a clear on the hardest content actually becomes questionable. For example, on TBCC, the fact that a raid brought 5 warriors and 2 rogues to their 25 man raid was fucking worthy of a news article on wowhead (premier modern wow news source), celebrating the fact that they could bring that many melee to a raid! Whenever I see people bitching about a 1-2% damage gap in between classes, I seriously want to break ToS on FFXIV and call them a stupid baby that needs to get over themselves and that they're playing the actual most well-balanced game on the entire fucking market. By far. Go look up what the class balance in guild wars 2 is like and be blessed you don't have to deal with bad game design and learn to thank the game devs instead of bitching about getting an extra 10-20 potency on a few attacks a few weeks faster. Really.
Yee man these mf’s got it so good that they don’t even know it 😂 spoiled people who havnt experienced having ur class be actual dog shitt an just left there to rot for 2 years at a time if not more. I wish wow had the same thought process as ff devs when it came to balancing. Everyone would be the happiest fucking people on the planet and there would be so much more spec diversity instead of seeing only 5 being taken in most high end content. We need ff devs an wow devs to trade places then the ff community will never complain again bout balancing.
WoW BFA was a funny shit show. Elemental and enhancement shamans were instantly declined and kicked out of groups, because of community perception that they were bad. On the contrary, they weren't the top parsing classes but were doing just fine and in guild/friend groups could easily push high mythic keys and do mythic raids just fine. This is literally the same shit show just in FF14, where the fckin difference is less than 1-2% on perfect fight execution which lets be honest is nearly impossible to pull off.
@@Kakyoin489 tbh with current number of specs in wow, that's 36 classes to balance per tier compared to FF14s 19. Plus FF14 has no talents, gear bonuses, legendary effects and other nuances. WoW would have to literally go back to old school philosophy and remove the whole idea of "each spec should feel different and like its own class" that started with legion patch in WoD and rather make class be its own thing with some deviations in talent choices. Say, why does mage need 3 specs? Its hard to balance. Rather, make it 1-2 specs tops (like DH) and allow talents to be flavor of fire/frost/arcane with some small and subtle rotation deviation. If they'd shrink it down significantly, even tier sets would make more sense and it would be easier to balance it all. There was interview somewhere with wow dev addressing this bloat and that it was a bad game design decision. Tbh, I think community would understand if they made drastic changes like these to keep the game balanced as opposed to every expansion flavor of the month bs meta.
I didn’t know worlds first had a BLM in it, but now that I know, this is amazing. As someone who enjoys blm, but is too shit at the game to prog with it, I was literally sitting there like “man it’s so easy to lose damage on blm I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re in a worse spot than that DPS meter shows” Nothing matters. Video game easy
It's so easy to just stop casting while you run around avoiding aoes and feel real stupid after, especially if you manage to drop your gauge. At least Enochian is a trait now, I gladly accept that crutch
BLM needs to have the group recognise that they are a BLM and help them out. Casual content will have entire raids sit in your leyline and make sure all mechanics are pointed in your direction and go "lmao blm standing in bad for dps" BLM play in organized groups are a different game entirely.
they were debating on going 2 melee (rpr mnk) and no BLM because of ex dps rankings actually, but they stuck to their usuals (+rpr) out of comfort, which worked well for them.
@@Doublejho I dont necessarily think that is help, I think it is just not getting in the way. If there is a bait-able aoe about to go out, I will proactive try not to drop it in the way of teammates, especially jobs with casts.
it really feels like this discussion just needs to happen every time an expansion releases or new hard 8-man content gets added to the game. the personal damage of each job really doesn't mean anything because pretty much everything is tuned to be cleared with pretty much any party comp so long as people aren't just freestyling their rotation, and if there does end up being a large enough disparity between two job's dps that Isn't Intentional due to How Jobs Are Designed, since minor patches happen frequently enough in this game as they do, They Can Just Fix It In A Patch. Also regardless of their motivation, the buffs > nerfs approach is awesome. It's awesome when it's the approach in stuff like fighting games and even moreso in pve games because realistically, everyone wins since the competitive aspect in pve games is usually just some weird shit on the side that some players feel is necessary to stroke their ego. As you said in the video, if you want to be a slave to the meta just do that and get the small extra dps that you get from doing that, but if you want to play the job that you like, just play the job that you like.
I chose DPS to start with because I thought it would be the easiest thing to do. I chose Bard because I figured I'd be kind of mediocre at it, so I figured if I was able to use buffs and support people that would make up for my DPS deficiencies. Turns out, I picked a job that is not hard but keeps very very busy. Turns out I was both right and wrong. Being a DPS was more involved than I thought it would be when I realized I had a responsibility to do mechanics right and not give the healer an aneurism. I realized "If I can keep track of buttons, I can keep track of people's HP" So I became a healer. I liked it. So I became a tank because I apparently hate myself. Now I like tanking. Still like my Bard. Bard has been through several changes. Last expansion we lost TP which is good. But we also gained a little brother named Dancer who is hella fun to play and took all my buffs. I hate him, but I love him also so I'm ok that his personal DPS is shit because he's so precious I can't stay mad at him and those sweet buffs. I still miss Foe's requiem. Now Bard doesn't have to rely on DOTs, which is cool. Our songs last longer, which is cool. And we can more effectively buff ourselves and the party, which is cool. We even managed to out damage Machinist which... wtf happened to you my dude? I am so sorry.
SMN main since ARR, SMN wasn't hard, but it was more engaging before. I was also a sweaty orange parser though. The APM before was about 41, now its like 36? I think but the current APM is a bit padded with garuda's low gcd and the mountain busters you get at 86 adding in 4 presses per minute. Stormblood summoner was a great time, since it actually involved thought and gave you options for ways to hold your burst for burst windows. ShB dropped that since you'll just drift too hard if you tried, and now there's no reason to try to hold anything since the trances will reset your gems and bahamut and phoenix do more than the primals anyway. I don't need SMN to be the big dick it was for a while in ShB again, but I would like it to be more engaging. Nothing else really scratches that itch for me and never has. I still only play SMN, its just not as fun now.
For someone who doesn't play SMN only level it up and then forget everything about it afterwards. I also don't like the NEW SMN. For most of the content it just summon, spam ruin(gemshine sure but before it becomes Rite, it's called Ruin still), summon spam ruin, summon spam ruin. Also I see no reason to use any of the summons beside just to keep doing damage while waiting for Baha/Nix. Baha/Nix is needed to do Elementals but Elementals isn't needed for Baha/Nix. The one skill that gives you something else to do is so late(favors), and the Big Bads are endgame, should have put it at least at 82(81 would been best though).
i'm a fairly new player and a SMN main. Started a month before EW dropped, so got to experience old SMN up to lvl60. "Engaging" is the exact word. I didn't think SMN was particularly hard before: I too avoid every gaming community on this blue earth as much as I can, and I only started making friends in the game after EW, so my entire experience with old SMN was "pure" and without influence from existing players' knowledge, but i still figured out weaving and maintaining uptime, and all that stuff that i didn't even know had names for it, just by feeling out the class and the game (when i eventually decided to look up some guides and stuff to see what i was doing right or wrong, i discovered to my pleasant, ego-boosting surprise, that i intuitively figured out the ideal SMN rotation for my level minus a few quirks here and there). All this to say, I didn't think SMN was very difficult. If you payed a little attention and focused on maximizing dps, it was, i feel, very easy to figure out what to do, and then do it. The difference is that before, i was always doing something. Always pressing different buttons. Sure, there'd be little bursts of just spamming ruin for filler, but most of the time there was always something to do - use my pet abilities at the right time, refresh DoTs, throw in energy drain and fester, etc etc. At level 60 I had two full hotbars (well I used 3 for hotkey convenience, but they had blank spaced in them), while my other classes could pretty much fit everything into one if i really wanted them to. hell, BLM almost felt like it had 3 buttons. Now it's the opposite, with SMN feeling like it has half the buttons BLM does, and being able to fit all of them in 1 hotbar if i wanted. New SMN is just... more boring. I still enjoy it, but it feels sooo much more.. spammy. Summon Bahamut/Phoenix, Spam ruin, summon ifrit, spam ruin, summon titan, spam ruin, summon garuda, spam ruin, back to start. With no more DoTs, and fester no longer doing damage based on those DoTs, there's no longer any timing-related reason to hold onto your aetherflow charges, and since you have SO much instant cast now, there's no need to use fester for casting while moving in a pinch either. I used to enjoy SMN because it was engaging and kept me focused and active during fights, now I enjoy SMN because i get to look at all the different god souls i enslaved go out and fight for me in a parade. It's cool but it doesn't feel like the job I started my journey with anymore. RDM is filling that hole of engagement for me rn, but it's just not the same. Granted I'm still far from max level and have many abilities yet to unlock. But from what i can tell it's still not gonna bring that same engagement back.
yeah I feel like SMN now has a really good base to stand on compared to the mess it was before, just need more OGCDs and decisionmaking. its funny how they added so much decision making to a lot of classes, but ended up making SMN the most mechanical class probably in the entire game, maybe only behind MCH. but I'm very curious to see how they will improve SMN in the future, because right now it plays like an amazing class would play at maybe lvl 60.
My current execution checks (which is arguably part of the "fun" in SMN) are trying to pick the right lego post-Phoenix because so many mechanics suck at giving anyone time to stand still, the decision making of using Swiftcast, not dying by diligently using aegis (shield), and most importantly, placing carbuncle around mid fights to prevent it from delaying raidbuff from walking and make sure everyone gets it. Surprisingly hectic despite the simplified rotation, no /s
You're very possibly the most entertaining ranter I've seen, it's really quite amazing. I mean, I occasionally just rewind a few seconds to hear you go off again, it's fucking great.
Mr. Chair, I would love to beat the hardest content in the game, but my melee dps are too busy dieing to mechanics while trying to hit their directions on P2S. (Btw it's fucking omnidirectional so you don't even have to). It's actually ridiculous how many times people can screw up mechanics, especially the ones where all you have to do is go to a god damn marked position.
every class is easy if you just wing it but if youre trying to clear the raid tier ASAP like joining a week 1 / 2 groups, then rotations matters or else you’d be griefing and complaining why your team cant clear on 0.1% with no deaths, while your rotation was also the problem lol but if youre casual and just play the game for dungeons , just play casually and dont think about optimizing. but if youre trying to clear the fight asap , you try to get better over time and help with the damage check
Casuals don't care anyway, and most are completely unaware. They hit 3k dps as Samurai/Reaper/Blm at lvl90 and think they're doing a great job. While the average savage healer will outdps the highest dps classes there
@@Bankai90 yeah.. and if their dps is shit and they dont realize it, theyre wasting peoples time inside dungeons, it can be twice longer than its supposed to be
This is why I've loved RDM since it came out in Stormblood. It's nearly a perfectly designed class; it's fun to play, easy to understand, and stylish as fuck. The fact that it brings massive utility to the table with battle-rezzes, emergency heals, and Embolden is just icing on the cake.
Good video, but I disagree on the part about rdps and adps with regards to ninja and samurai. The way rdps is calculated is that you get the extra damage your allies did with your buffs added to your own DPS number rankings. So when even in rdps rankings, samurai is still higher, there's something wrong
I second this purely from a game balancing concept. Otherwise it really doesn't matter since we still, mostly, play the same and clearing content is more about maintaining an adequate rotation whilst doing mechanics
The point that is made is that you want someone with higher raw dps in order to gain the larger rDPS contributions. Ninja is still absolutely undertuned, but samurai is more or less fine since its role is to be the job with the high base damage for others to gain their rDPS from.
@@BakaGaijinSama except the reality is that bringing 4 selfish DPS jobs is currently stronger than having a support job like ninja, or even dragoon in your group
@@Galaick That's not how this works at all. First, there are only 3 "Selfish DPS" SAM, MCH, BLM. So unless you want to get less loot you have to bring someone with support, second the more selfish DPS you have, the better your DPS will be with some support meaning it's always better to have a mix. Yeah ninja is a tiny tiny bit undertuned (remember the gap between top and bottom DPS is like 8% total) it's really not the end of the world. It's much more likely any clearing issues are because of damage down or deaths than just tiny differences in rDPS
@@katjalehtinen8101 What??? "So unless you want to get less loot you have to bring someone with support..." How do the dps jobs you bring affect how much loot you get??? From what?? You have never been required to bring any specific jobs in order to get more loot.
So I had to pick a melee DPS to get my 5th role job covered. Spent awhile looking at all the options... but you know what didn't come into my calculations? What one has an arbitrary best DPS. If I had I'd have jumped aboard the reaper train with everyone else, especially as its seen that they aren't willing to nerf it. But do you know what is more important to me than that? Things like... how the job plays... how the job restricted gear looks... how the attack animations look... how it fits into the story. These are way more important to me than some number that no one but omega tryhards really care about. I picked Ninja, by the way. Also Chair's guide on Ninja has made it so I can't unsee when other ninjas spam aoe mudras against single targets. I want to tell them to spam raijin instead and use trick attack on cooldown... but then I would be that guy. So I just sit there and silently judge them instead while also trying not to muck up my own rotations.
I have never played or touched Rogue/Ninja until two weeks ago. I must admit Chair has also influenced me with the job. "Doream wisin a doream", "Yoshow Ran-Ryu". His stupid ass pronounciations stuck with me, I hate it/love it. The self-consciousness of using Doton on single target also makes me cry lol
Issue I’m having with this take is that when people refer to difficulty they’re generally referring to playing at the best level. At least from my experience
idk what the percentage of players who participate in the highest end difficulty but if it's like other MMOs it's a fraction of a fraction, Who cares what those people care or think, listening to them/trying to cater to them is literally what ruined WoW.
his point is that ppl may be talking about playing at best level, but how many are actually there? not everyone can be the top 0.1% players, ppl are so worried about the difference between the dmg of the top players on fflogs, why? can they even get close to the best dancers even on a reaper? most cant
Lol, I play Warrior, my job IS easy, thats why I like it. I push Fell Cleave, get Dopamine, I push Jumping Fell Cleave, get dopamine. I push Bloodwhetting and Group Fell Cleave, and get lots of dopamine.
Simple jobs are underrated. Imo all of the most enjoyable jobs are the ones that are the most straightforward and with the least amount of button bloat. Warrior is the easiest job in the game imo but it’s super fun. Summoner is also super fun. Reaper, simple and fun. Sage, simple a fun. Bard, simple and fun. There’s a pattern here. You know what else is super fun and super simple? A shotgun. A fucking shotgun. Try firing a shotgun, not very hard but super fun and very engaging.
Brb falling over and pissing myself while this Raiju stack ticks down. To be fair, it's only a small number of people, as most people who might have played the job abandoned Nin already for this expack.
@@Phospion well you just happen to be the number one ninja! and its only player. Congrats jk, im just goofin. Ninja is fun. I cant believe people still complain about it, like he said in the video, reaper gets it worse now but those limitations are actually kinda fun. Gotta prepare in advance thats all. And nin gets a god damn chidori, thats so cool
I think it needs tweaking but the main reason I quit NIN this expac is because it wasnt fun for ME anymore. I have a friend who loves it still and I dont give him shit for it haha. I respect it even. I think there is something to be considered if a lot of NINs are leaving because its not fun though. Hard to tell with it doing poor damage though, since a lot of players were there for big numbah
One thing in ffxiv im not a massive fan of is having multiple abilities that do the same thing. The rotation can be made harder without having duplicates.
Can confirm. I parse 95+ on Dragoon on high end content in pug groups and literally all i've done is looked up an opener and adjusted some buff timings depending on the fight.
eeeh I'll need some proff, because DRG is one of the most played classes of a friend of mine, and its funny how hard it is to optimize to certain fights, (at least before EW, its a bit easier now). the way you were forced to hunt for positionals to be able to finish the combo, the timings of the north stars, the absurd amount of animation locks on OGCDs you don't want to let drift... it was probably one of the hardest, if not THE hardest melee DPS to optimized.
@@danilooliveira6580 I'll be the first to admit drg is easy to learn but can be a pain to master/fully optimize for the exact reasons you listed. some fights are difficult to get positionals on (especially if the tank moves around way too frequently or if the tanks are fighting for aggro in raids), but in terms of the general rotation and weaving oGCD's, it's pretty simple. and yeah the jumps lock you into an animation but getting screwed over because of that is something that's easily avoidable if you know the fight
When I started this expansion I was like. 'They made Gunbreaker to easy.' I got to level 90. 'Ohhh so that's where all the difficulty went for the job. It got shifted up to 90.' I'm cool with that.
I had the same reaction when I went from MNK lvl sub-60 to MNK lvl post-60, even if my experience with MNK is limited to "PotD" and like a handful of dungeons. Sub-60, everything just flows. Post-60, Constantly screw up the flow, making Twin Snakes run out, NOT proccing Leaden Fist, and wait for too long with Perfect Balance. And there's still a whole 3 expansions for me to level through with MNK... yay...
In my experience i have never played any game that is as balanced as ff14. Sure there are minor differences but overall every job is capable of doing everything in the game.
FF14 still has major balance issues but it is one of the cleanest MMOs to balance just because of how simple everything is. There are only a handful of jobs compared to classes in other MMOs and they aren't customizable in the slightest which makes it more consistent. Seeing how FF14 does it's Jobs makes you feel bad for the WoW Devs having to balance each spec like it's it's own seperate class with talent rows and interesting gear instead of just FF14 stat sticks.
Dragoon main here. Yea its pretty easy. As long as I don't zone out of repeat my full thrust combo like a scrub and drop my damage buff AND DoT and then hate myself for making a small mistake and then getting all my other buffs out of any semblance of an alignment and delay all my OGCDs as i continue to panic about getting my simple rotation back on track. But hats just me cuz I'm bad. Dragoon is easy.
I really don't like how ninja feels to play rn, so im trying out dancer instead. yeah it kinda sucks because i like ninja's aesthetic a lot, but how a class feels to play is a lot more important to me than how it looks. also i have no idea what dps numbers are. fun things are fun.
I've known 2 NIN players going into EW and both swapped to other melee jobs pretty fast after experiencing the forced gap closer Raijus. Since the patch I have heard it's a million times better but still feels just a little scuffed compared to the others. Hopefully they iron out some of the final issues it has like the awkward gauge generation. Also the damage numbers for it have been "fixed" anyway, it was pretty far behind the other melees before, even lower than Bard actually which is why I think people were complaining so much. But since the most recent balance patch it's back up to where it should be with the other melees and that's great, even if it is the lowest of the bunch.
Very well said. People using the ceiling of something for its overall difficulty is definitely a constant bugbear of videogame discourse (esp in something like fighting games, where people seem to drastically overestimate how much of the mindboggling tech possible you actually need in practice at a beginner level. MOBAs like League of Legends are objectively the some of the most annoyingly obtuse games on the market but that sure didnt stop LoL from being the literal most played game in the world, at least half of whom probably suck at it but dont care) On a similar note re: the SAM thing, on the one hand it does make sense that intuitively Samurai, the class that does nothing but hit a motherfucker hard, should be outnumbering the melee classes that also bring potentially powerful defensive utility to the table like Monk (which as a Monk main, we should probably not be on top) or Reaper (which even had to be nerfed there lol), like that just kinda makes sense from a group composition design standpoint. On the other hand, like you point out, just using rDPS metrics doesnt really take into account that getting those juicy raid damage parses requires much more co-ordination and optimization from the team, the kind you really can't rely on during prog or god forbid PF, and the fact classes like Samurai or even White Mage on healers don't need that shit is a very slept on trait. Which is kinda an important thing about DPS; people seem to have this weird mentality that doing higher damage than necessary is purely a cock-extension speedrunning/parse metric that has no practical benefit in situations outside of illegal funny colours, when this is demonstrably not true in key areas like being at least 80-90% of why old content gets trivialized to save time or the fact that raid kills like the very one you point to for BLM came down to basically a couple of server ticks before enrage (which is also the main reason for other classes coming up IMO, which is that the devs may have a damage range in mind that the non-Reaper/reworked!Monk dps isnt hitting in this new math, given those are the new kids on the block). Yeah, the obvious answer to DPS checks, esp in something like the chaos of party finder, is simply to play better and hope damage RNG is also nicer to you, and those are both absolutely correct, and outweigh the vast majority of class output differences in this game in almost all situations, but as anyone who's hit a 1 or 0.5% enrage can tell you, there's a very distinctly non-zero amount of cases where small, seemingly insignificant margins absolutely add up to change outcomes even if only in the short term, which can absolutely be the difference between being done and needing another grueling hour of attempts (I may be projecting some bad PF runs) Which is the *real* reason why all those world first groups care so much about class/dps meta and stuff; a few seconds off a boss kill doesn't matter in a vacuum but when its the last % of health during an enrage cast that could be you finally being done with prog...
This is why I just play Dragoon and stay in my lane. All I wanna do is do flips and shit while doing pretty okay damage. Only started playing at the end of ShB so optimization can wait until I really have a feel for shit lmao. Oh and also Monk, but that was more because I think fist weapons are cool as shit
Gotta love it when people in PF point out that your job is non-meta, then you proceed to carry the whole team because they keep messing up their meta job rotation.
As a ninja main, I would like to thank you on your piece about Raiju. Even in it’s previous iteration, I thought people where just being stupid about how bad Raiju combo was. Yeah it was bad, but it had its work arounds. After the fix I was like wow, this is amazing, I can’t think of a single reason why anybody would think this is bad. But apparently I was wrong.
I think it's because baseline player skill level in FF14 is a lot lower than most other MMOs. Hell, you get lucky in a roulette if your DPS even have their AoE abilities bound. that's such a low bar
Yeah, unfortunately this is very true. Not enough attention is brought to improvement in my opinion and I don't think that will change. I feel like it hurts content sometimes too, a good example being the current savage tier. The first 3 fights are no harder than the extremes, with p2s actually being easier than the extremes and I can't think of a reason for this other than the fights are being intentionally made more and more accessible to people who have no interest in improving their gameplay.
That was surface level take on why the raijus are bad. The reason raijus are at least very annoying because it killed flexibility in your trick windows. Because its your highest potency melee gcd your goal should be to get as many in trick windows as you can. For instance in e12s the shiva trick window had you rearrange your normal trick window so that it ends with TCJ but now you can't do that because if you did the raiju you get from tcj will never be in the trick window anymore for the rest of the fight. So either you would have to delay a trick, which has its own potential consequences, or every 2 minute window after is just weaker now because raiju restricted the flexibility of gcds in your trick window. This goes for also applies to any trick windows where it is safe to be next to the boss for the first part of it and not safe near the end of the window. You can't end trick windows with raitons because you wont get any raijus inside trick. They did make one of them not a dash, so ninja don't get fucked by roots anymore like in zodiark extreme so that's a good change at least.
I once said "Bard is an easy DPS", then BOOM! My friends laughed and insulted me with my Bard DPS log in Stormblood Patch (Grey log). From that day, I resigned myself to say everything in FF14 with my friends
lmao thanks for making this video. i once got snarked at in a chat for playing dnc in an ex, but now i'm just more comfortable playing the game in general, with all classes. this is such a good video.
Snark someone for playing DNC while the same DNC bring Mitigation, little heal (perfect after a stack marker for exemple), some DPS and an insane DPS buff for 1 ally and a good one for all the party is just awful, I mean, yeah DNC personnal DPS is lower but it gave to the others even higher DPS than they should have so in the end the global DPS is higher
As much as I agree with your points if you were a week one player this tier and you ran a paladin warrior dancer summoner comp the DPS check on the p4s door boss was actually absurd you had to have lucky crits to even clear it with people hardcore optimizing the fight. I had more than a few runs that were 100 to 50 DPS off and after analyzing the logs for hours and hours we came to the conclusion that we just had to ban under performing classes and we ended up having enough damage that we didn't even need DPS llb3(700 dps). Of course we could have just kept running the classes that we wanted to play and we would have cleared it eventually but this is the first time since I started playing final fantasy that comp felt like it mattered at least for week one.
Agree 100%. You know, it's funny. I used to be a MNK main. I picked up MCH about half way through Shadowbringers, and I fell in love with the coolness factor and the way that the rotation flows so well that you can really spend time focusing on mechanics. Up until the newest patch, I still very much enjoyed playing MNK, but after 6.0 I kinda hate it. Now, I'm not saying the design is bad, but I would have to put so much more effort into MNK to hit the same DPS numbers that I hit on my MCH, and I'd probably be having less fun too. People like to shit on MCH for having low Damage relative to melee classes and no good party buffs. They like to say it's not viable in high end content. If that's the case, why am I CONSISTENTLY top dps in my raid groups? Could it be that I get consistent uptime during mechanics? Could it be that the rotation is so incredibly smooth that I can do it in my sleep? Could it be that maybe I'm just paying more attention and putting in the effort to git gud? And that's the thing, right? Here's the secret to "viability": Nothing is viable if you suck; everything is viable if you're good.
The hardest job in the game is whichever one you're playing when the rest of the team stands in bad like they're trying to get their names in guinness for it.
As a former summoner main, I agree that ShB summoner was a pretty simple job, which could be summed up with "manage your dots, CDs, demis, and jank". But just because you don't like managing jank doesn't mean that every job in the game has to be jankless, besides that they removed dots and their interaction with your CDs, summoner is literally just demis and CDs now. Current summoner is way too straight forward for me, and well I enjoy playing it, I miss old summoner more then I enjoy new summoner
honestly same, if they had kept old smn and made the pets more responsive and had demi bahamut and phoenix not follow you around everywhere that would be all I'd ever ask for. It wasn't the difficulty that had me missing it but the engagement. I feel completely braindead when playing current smn, not having to worry about anything, I rarely even feel like a caster anymore. I don't think there will be another job to fill the void lol
The hardest thing in FFXIV is figuring out how to level up without interacting with the other players. So far, so good. Of course I could still be playing WoW with 4chan vomit stains so FF is an improvement. At least they are primarily decent people.
Game is mindless. I mean mindless. I have been leveling so far and I will say there is no challenge and no the story is not interesting to me. Have read pages of Reddit and forum on the subject and people say “ it gets good at endgame it’s hard at endgame” what a wast of an mmo world. This game is for people who suffer from low testosterone and don’t like to experience any challenges or overcome obstacles.
I have a post a question to you . As a machinist player , if we cannt provide any buffs to the party while our own dps is no way comparable to other selfish jobs why would anyone allow us in their raiding party? I been forced to switch because of this even though mch is my favourite dps
So when I first looked at Reaper I saw the 3 button combo with no positionals and 50% higher potency than Dragoon I said to myself "hang on there's something not right here, how is this fair?" Then I engaged my three brain cells for roughly 2 picoseconds because thats how long it takes to realise that DRG has 2 seperate 5 button combos all the time compared to RPR having to fill its -heat and battery- soul and shroud gauges to get those extra buttons. If even someone like me can figure out how to account for job differences why is it an issue in the first place?
As someone who plays Valorant and understands how hard it is to play against cracked teenagers, ffxiv is called a Boomer game in comparison. Anyone can press buttons in the right order while standing in the right spot. Thats why I pugged this savage tier and I am already done.
This lol, when I hear another "this is savage not Satasha" while as a brand new player flying through I'm gonna lose my shit, just as with the ready checks before every damn pull Still missing the last one though, but it's rather timeissues I'm having to start to get going with it It feels like LoL early gold elo in difficulty kek
I play smn now because it better matches what smn is supposed be. Summon is here > summon go Brrr > summon leave. The fact that it gives the player skills related to that summon is just icing.
@@miau384 11111111111 80% of the time casting the same spell. If this is fun to you idk what to tell you. This game went to shit gameplay-wise since HW
Hot take, nothing in ffxiv is "hard" Savage raiding, ultimate raiding, any queued content actually. The difficulty is just in making 7 other friends that can also no life with you and you all like each other. It's basically just a rhythm game after that. Even world first guys and top 1%ers just have friends they spend more time doing that with. The only thing in this game that makes something more "difficult" is the time it takes to do it. Everything is more of a test of patience rather than sheer skill. Completing all of eureka/ bozja or getting all Triple Triad cards is "hard" because it takes forever to do. Completing relic grinds is hard because it takes forever. Clearing savage is hard because there are a lot of mechanics to remember, which means it takes more time to remember, which makes it harder. Even solo POTD or HOH is just how much time you are willing to put into it. If you have a clear on it you just spent more time and tested your patience better than people who don't. Don't get me wrong this is my favorite game ever and I have 419 days clocked on, but the game was made for babies playing advanced Simon or Bop-it. If you want to play a hard game that people respect you for being good at, go play Chess.
Ultimates are pretty hard. You need to optimize your job really well and find your way in a raveparty of quite complicated mechanics. Learning complicated dance rotations by heart is pretty hard too, so it is similar to that in difficulty.
Thank you for 2:33! As a SMN main I never understood why people said SMN was hard to play before Endwalker. It's always been easy to play, just now in Endwalker our rotation is a lot more smooth and a lot less clunky.
Someone: [Job] is easy.
Those people who play that job: NO IT ISN’T YOU DON’T GET IT
Someone: DNC is easy.
DNC mains: hell yeah bro that’s why I play it
Hell yeah bro
Warrior too. Love it because it's easy as hell.
@@JulieLamia Axe go Brrr
@@Foogi9000 Axe does indeed go Brrr.
I'm a summoner main and summoner is brain dead easy.
I'll have you know that Mackinist is actually the only hard job because I found my router in a Radio Shack dumpster.
The feels when you Hypercharge, everyone including the boss stops moving, and then hypercharge is over.
The only difficulty involving machinist is downloading and keep Alexander up to date.
Really wish hypercharge worked like Inner release or summon Garuda because I want to play the job but my ping says no
It's joined by reaper now too
The hardest part for machinist for me is that there's no machinist trust. Maybe they add Hilda to the he dungeons.
Chair anger levels: Black leather car seat on a 100°F+ day
Phoenix summer seat belt buckle angry
This actually made me laugh out loud
I think I burned my back reading this comment.
And that's before you grip the leather steering wheel lol
“WHM is easy”
Yeah dude it fuckin rules
us WHM mains get the most hate but we're the first to admit it's easy
Blood for the blood lilies
as an almost mediocre WHM main, the hardest content is learning new mechanics while keeping those who are also learning new mechanics alive long enough for them to actually learn them
I don't main healer, but dipped my toe in WHM to lvl it. My first P1 run with it had my yelling at my screen going "how the ACTUAL shit can ANYONE say this is hard to play? You spam Glare and fart out a CD heal if needed, possibly a Cure 2 or 3"
@@kampfh7150 I’m in stormblood doing the raid stories right now, but I’ve at least attempted every single extreme trial, and have cleared 90% of them with randoms (I can’t get a group for hard raids). I’ve only found two uses for cure3, and that was while trying to prog through Minstrel’s Ballad: Thordan’s Reign and farming Shinryu for the dog. Basically I’ve learned that the only time cure3 is even decent is when there’s a stack marker that shows up reliably enough to even be considered.
Never let anyone tell you WHM is hard. The role might be stressful, maybe. But WHM as a class is not hard.
Still, I think Fisher needs some love.
I can't even do savage content with it, let alone normal dungeons.
Fisher savage content is catching Phallaina in Ultima Thule.
All I want is a blue spearfishing gig of current item level. Is that so much to ask for? :(
@@DarkShadow84 They should just remove it from the game at this point.
I clicked for comedy and then you just proceeded to spit facts for 13 minutes. It's so funny seeing people in actual "power-ranking" tier list videos debate jobs when the hardest content they've cleared is Sastasha
I play Paladin because it's easy, and I freely admit I play it because I don't want to think that hard.
@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 I love paladin and I main it. It's easy and fun. fuck the DPS.
don't joke about that, man, some of us are still on sastasha clams prog
@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 My man, this is exactly why I picked PLD to main ever since ARR. Back when PLD LITERALLY only had one combo and 2 OGCDs. Was the life. I still main PLD but those early years of easy cruising lmao.
Not sastasha...
✋😭😭 I need a Phoenix Down asap 😫 😩
I got booted from a static because I played SAM and despite parsing the best the group they decided it's because I was not a reaper that we failed, and not the grey parse healers and tanks. This is vindication.
oof. /comfort. Hope you find one that accepts you being a SAM.
You can always make your own. Ultimate act of spite
Keep your head up, they didn’t deserve you
that is bullshit, as long as you are doing your DPS check and not fucking up mechanics it doesn't matter, unless you are doing some speed running challenge.
Oof. And here I am, still black maging in my static despite getting out DPS'd by both tanks, and parsing so low, analyzers didn't realize I was part of the fight. -_-
the only hard job is having a decent internet connection
I remember one of my friends sending me a DPS chart for all the jobs, and he was like "haha look your favourite job is at the bottom" and I was like "okay? It's still capable, it literally does not matter." He was like really invested in my being mad for some reason. I just like pushing drill.
Dancer = Better at the top 1% of the game
Machinist mains having to explain that at all other 99% of the time they are optimal, and for some reason having to explain they're playing what they like: 🍵🗿
Dancer mains when they have to explain why they play the job at the bottom 99% just because they like it: 🍵🗿
>ending me a DPS chart for all the jobs
You will be mad when your DPS is below the job average. The top% DPS doesn't matter much for the average player, the AVERAGE DPS does
"Machinist is dead, because it's suboptimal in high-end content! There's literally no reason to play it when Bard does more damage!"
Sorry, but I couldn't hear who the fuck asked over me firing a reassembled drill for the 7,389th time and still not being bored of it.
@@garbagebandit5934 Says the guy parsing below 6k in high content while the whole party knows it's you pulling them down and wiping to enrage.
This community has turned brain dead for a while now
Apart from loving more job synergy I don't care. I'll play whatever I feel like. All combinations can clear all content.
Mister chair, I'll have you know that playing Botanist is very difficult!
just try juggling the inventory when you have fallen for crafting and gathering instead of fighting.
let alone trying to remember what jobs, order and quantity of each material is required to single handedly craft whatever is required on the fly.without using the markets.
@@cystarkman Thank god for the marketboard. I cannot fathom how long and arduos crafting would be without it lol.
@@cystarkman The real horror is going into an Ocean Fishing junket without having made at least 40 bag slots available beforehand -- and even then, that might not be enough on a three-Spectral run! (Thank goodness there's a Merchant on The Endeavor for selling off unwanted fish.)
@@blackmagekongs2588 Hmm, as a dedicated crafter and gatherer I very rarely use the market board and do my best to carry all the main resources / pre crafted essentials on hand. Sometimes I need to duck off to harvest something rare. I suppose to a Black Mage all the running about, harvesting and crafting chains of things would be arduous. Need to find yourself someone like me on the party.
Actually the hardest part of this game is to remember where all the buttons are if you're playing like 5 or more classes.
Truth. I'm good on my paladin main, but when I swap to sage or reaper, I'm lost for a dungeon or 2.
One thing that helps is putting buttons that do similar things or serve a similar purpose in the same spot or area.
@@ssjgokuhan Yeah I already do that. All my tanks basically have the same layout. Also I always put single target on one bar, aoe on the second, cds or on the third, etc.
i stg it's so much harder as an adult when your hand eye coordination gets worse
Fr. WoL hardest class.
I feel this on a spiritual level.
But the thing is, if these people don't constantly boast that "our class is so difficult to pick up and learn" then how else are they going to stroke their ego peen.
I bet they can't even cook an egg without macros, too difficult for em.
Listen I'm still paying for the house damages after I tried to do an egg no macro run ok?
:'c
@@IgjapoCR97 is your job the hardest to play ? If you then you're fine. Would've'n'st.
nin mains crying "Our job is the hardest and most complex in the whole game"
THE ONLY THING HARD ABOUT NIN IS PRESSING BUTTONS IN ORDER( which can actually get fucked by ping sometimes, but a lotta jobs get fucked by ping)
If you cant press buttons in order, do what one of my linkshell peeps did and Macro them to your stream deck
@@CleopatraKing I' might be stupid but what difference does it make ?
Ok the macro joke made me laugh out loud
As a Machinist main actually it is pretty easy. The hardest part is remembering when your Cooldowns are about to pop and to wait a GCD to pop Hypercharge
There is no worse feeling as a MCH main than using reassemble and seeing both Air Anchor and Drill on cooldown, you just accept the extra dmg on Heated Split Shot
I don't think there is anyone in ffxiv claiming mch is hard.
@@teocappy I felt that.
@@teocappy or accidentally double tapping Wildfire, setting it off early
The idea of having a low skill floor is really important and its always funny how angry gamers get mad when this is brought up. Some classes have a higher skill ceiling, but like your video on "last expansion was better" the ease of accessing another job is why the game is so relaxing to pick up
The only people I ever witnessed getting mad at this were the type of person to spend 10 hours of their day spamming the Manderville in Limsa because they suck at their classes despite the low skill floor
The skill floor so low and so amazing (according to you) I left the game. No reason to resub at this point.
@@wsrtwetr you left cause the barrier of entry was too low? I don't understand how that negatively effects you.
A low skill floor is fine, but it feels like the skill cap is also very low. Its hard to set yourself apart when it take minimal effort to play well once you know your rotation etc. Can't set yourself apart much from fighting, can't set yourself apart with gear choices, can't set yourself apart with passive skill point choice(long received), and Materia has become somehow even more basic.
Its a great game for playing with others, but extremely unrewarding for someone trying to do well. Beyond maybe extreme, or ultimate's which is ultimately a very small part of the game.
I really agree with your take on SMN. A lot of the old SMN "difficult" comes from bad design, comes from something that doesn't work as it should.
Whenever I hear someone say 'Old SMN was difficult' I have to question if we played the same job. I would agree if they said '5.0 SMN was difficult' but for most of the expansion past the big 5.1 SMN changes it was just... easy? Like just keep dots up, spam ruin 3, and use bahamut or phoenix when they're up. Maybe the hard part was keeping the 2 minute rotation up but even then that isn't... hard?
I disagree with the part about it being hard to figure out what you're doing just by reading the skills though, at least at a good enough performance level. Back then I had only just started doing EX level stuff and didn't bother with class guides, even with that limited degree of experience, I was still able to just just went out, read over the skills playing around with them for an hour or two after the rework and ended up getting pretty much all of it except the early leaving Dreadwyrm trance to align with raid buffs, which made it easier to play and turned outto not really be necessary anyway.
i would always call it "clunky" not "difficult". why? well besides pet AI being unreliable, you were constantly having to decide if you should refresh your dots manually or wait for your next tri disaster reset. if they had just made it so your dots lined up with tri disaster cleanly the class would feel just fine.
I still do prefer the class vision in endwalker, its a clear step into a much more clear identity as an actual summoner.
@@eiozza You gotta admit dot upkeep, aetherflow upkeep, egi assault upkeep, etc is a bit more to keep track of than what smn does now. Not saying it was noticably difficult, but the initial information barrier was def higher in shb. Personally enjoyed the dot and heavy weaving playstyle smn had in shb more than what we have now, but to each their own
Pet behavior and drift was atrocious, as much as I loved SMN at the time I could never go back.
Plus the primals are fun *and* it's pretty great that people can use whatever color egi/carbuncle they want now without sandbagging the party or trolling/griefing!
Extra special shout out to the multiple Titan-egis I would see on the regular in Ivalice and NieR Alliance Raids, especially if they were the ones who had a "witty retort" on hand for anyone who tried to help.
My favorite will always be the "Garuda is my waifu" guy from Copied Factory though, nobody knew how to respond to that so gg man.
I started samurai after watching your samurai guide and it's just getting good boy stickers then buying midare with it. 10/10
he's FURIOUS in this one
Meta nerds in FF will always be a mystery for me.
In any game, to be honest, will never forget how in WoW my friend got kicked out for playing "bad" subclass from a normal fucking dungeon
I got shat on whenever i was trying to run Mythic+ on my enhancement shaman in BfA and Shadowlands, no one would accept my applications.
But once in a blue moon when i got accepted i would absolutely destroy meters with ease. Found it baffling
@@thegreatdanish6778 yeah, and the fact that some specs are good in raiding, but bad in mythic+ make it even worth. Honestly, I think that I started playing FF mostly because of ppl on youtube praising balance + ability to have multiple jobs on one character
Boy do I have a story and a lesson to tell...
While leveling my Hunter alt in Shadowlands, I was playing as Survival because I like melee and am a Fury Warrior main. (Mongoose Fury is also fun, it's kinda like a combo, it escalates in power.) I queued for normal Necrotic Wake, the 52 leveling dungeon. Then there was our tank, Mr. ChadThunderCock6969, a Keystone Master blood death knight, who proceded to pull virtually everything past the first boss and complained when the lowbies running casual content didn't optimize and interrupt all those magic bolts that stack negative health absorbs on you. I pointed out that this was just casual leveling content and he's being a dick, then he tried to shit on me for playing the wOrSt dPs ClAsS iN tHe GaMe. I then proceded to do the most damage in the dungeon despite feeling like I could barely manage the rotation.
The tank was a perfect example of toxic elitism and the dunning kreuger effect.
1. Casual content tends to have more casual players. Sometimes it's people learning new classes or specs, sometimes it's people who just wanna mentally checkout for a bit. Expecting it to operate like your VOIP M+ games is retarded. (In my case: I absolutely didn't interrupt when I actually normally do, but my interrupt weakauras also weren't working on Survival, and I fixed it later.)
2. Survival is a spec, not a class.
3. Survival is shit at level 60 when you have: Legendaries, covenant abilities, soulbinds, and conduits all stacked on top of each other inside a raid with ST fights. Not at level 52 in a dungeon.
That’s because in wow the class u play actually matters, the disparity between classes can be so massive in terms of aoe/st dmg/healing/mitigation. But this will only ever apply to high end content as thats where it matters the most. That little or big difference can make or break fights/clears. But since preferences/info from up top trickles down to the lower levels of play, people will always be sheep an follow what is said instead of doing what they want. A lot of content is easily clearable with anything so long as u take the time to learn the class an mess around with it to see what works well an what doesn’t. Wish wow wasn’t this way since a lot of the “underpeformers” can really pop off an makes it exciting to see that.
@@Kakyoin489 I kinda like some parts of WoW class design, especially unicness of some abilities and how different classes feel in some ways, but how you are expected by most players to play most meta thing + how hard it is to play multiple characters really ruined game for me.
Of note, if I play one class or build in any game I will get bored really fast. I had about 4 max lvl characters in BfA and still I always wanted to try something new. In that perspective FFXIV is just perfect for me
I too have been frustrated over the balance discourse lately. Now that xiv has a much larger player base, more loud people with wrong ideas for the game have been voicing their opinions... loudly.
So true!
I hate it when people wrong think and have opinions that differ from my own!
The most important part of my job as a SCH, is standing in melee rand and making sure I auto attack as much as possible.
Melee range* Look, I just carry the book, It's not my job to read or learn from it.
@@karinohmai1735 >Look, I just carry the book, It's not my job to read or learn from it.
ROFL legend
SMN also beats the s@#$ out of enemies with a book, only a bit more explosive, thanks to Ifrit.
I still cannot believe there are people in the comments railing about “dps loss due to jobs in high end content” when the entire game is just pushing buttons and Simon says with pretty graphics.
Damn, give us a break and leave us alone to have fun and play what we wanna play.
Not everyone wants to suffer for theoretical number values that ultimately means nothing by next patch.
99% of us just want to glam, farm mounts, and interior decorate
yeh but for some ppl thats the fun part to maximise like if you are a raider the content is already almost non existent svg 4 fights you do once per week and 2 trials thats it before all the ff14 is perfect andys come in im talking about just endwalker content
yes thats totally fair but you also need to give them the same respect you want from them because optimizing for more dps is actually fun for some people. is like the saying "treat others like you want to be treated"
@@SuguSugux the saying is “treat others like how they want to be treated”.
How are they making you suffer?
My favorite thing is when people throw a fit and say a job is broken and or needs nerfs but dont play that job/role and are just regurgitating what they have heard.
You seem to forget how many 14 players seem to have never played a videogame before, or even know how to read. Like BLMs who think thunder 2 spam is optimal dps in a post BLM aoe simplification world, or healers who decide not only to pull extra mobs on their own, but do it with repose of all things. And all these people think they're qualified to weigh in on the balance of the game, despite not even knowing that TBN gives your dps back when it breaks.
"TBN gives your dps back when it breaks" except for when it doesnt 😥
@@tobiasisaac6996 Either you TBN and get to do a free oGCD, or you activate TBN expecting to get hit only for the boss to go into full-casting mode for 20 seconds straight.
For the TL;DR read the bottom of the post.
You still have to learn how to play your character/class. Just because you've learned the patterns or learned multiple jobs doesn't make them easy. You've just gotten used to them. Of course it would seem "easy" to you, but what about the player who's never played the game before or even bothered to learn other characters/classes?
Saying difficulty is based on the individual is a misleading statement. Some people are compatible towards certain things, but like said above, it doesn't make it easier or more difficult. You just understand it better or it harmonizes with your playstyle/personality. Some people excel at Math because they just understand numbers better and some people become actors because of their personalities. That doesn't make Math or acting any less/more difficult.
We have two questions here; "Do you want to play something or do you want to beat something?" Difficulty would be defined by how demanding an individual finds something IF we are talking about the former question. Difficulty, to me, can be quantified by the amount of "how many tasks needed to complete something" and "window of error/how many mistakes you are allotted before failure" variables there are. Not by how well YOU are able to complete the task IF we're talking about the latter question. Anybody can press keys on a piano and "play" the piano, but some can actually play a song on the piano that's a little bit more complex than hot cross buns. The more difficult songs have more notes to play, more note-timing, and more demanding finger coverage which means more notes to miss or mistime.
TL;DR: "Familiarity/routine does not equal easy and compatibility does not equal more or less difficulty" and "Playing something is easy. Beating something is another subject."
The Summoner section of the Balance discord could use a healthy dose of this.
the summoner section is cringe to read. If you don't like new summoner that's fine, and even understandable. It's not a bad thing to have an easy dps or two for people to play though, and if you don't like it just play a new job. It's not like you have to make an alt for it.
@@PatriotArro lets see how you react when your favorite job is completely reworked into something you don't like at all.
@@JohnPaul-nb5iu i would just play a different job mate. if you only like one job in all of ffxiv, thats on you.
@@JohnPaul-nb5iu Been there done that since ARR. Played BRD in ARR and HW botched that nice, moved to MNK for them to screw that up start of SB, I've been hopping jobs every expac and while I do feel bummed about it; if I don't like it, I don't like it and have to move on.
@@PatriotArro
This isn't really a fair take though. And before I get into this, let me clarify that I am not a SMN main. I didn't even like SMN in ShB, nor do I like it in EnW. However, "Just level a different job lol" is an extremely nonsensical thing to say. Sure, you don't have to make an alt for it, but chances are, if you had SMN at level 80, you already knew this, and yet people are still complaining about it. Why?
Because they completely and utterly changed how the job works. This is never actually a good idea. Making a job more accessible *can* be a good idea but only if you don't alienate the people who originally liked the job in the process. What if someone doesn't find the other jobs as enjoyable? What if they already leveled all the other jobs, but still mained old SMN because they simply liked it the best, and now the class they enjoyed most is basically just replaced by a whole new class? After all, "level another job lol" only works if the person only played SMN simply because it was the only DPS job they had leveled, which, it's exceedingly rare to find a player who isn't new yet has only leveled a single job.
It's like going to a restaurant and ordering your favorite meal, but when you receive your order, it's actually a completely different meal. It's still vaguely the same meal you usually order, but the taste isn't the same and it has a completely different texture. When you understandably end up displeased with the fact that the meal you usually order has effectively been replaced completely by this meal you find less satisfying, another customer leans over, laughs at you, and tells you "just order something else", as if your preference for what you usually order was the product of ignoring the other options available, rather than the fact that you enjoyed it the most, and somehow the solution to having what you prefer being replaced by something that is different is to instead choose something else that is also completely different.
Community: Rotations! Optimization! DPS metering tools! The meta! Balance!
Me: Haha red mage flippy melee combos go brrr
real talk, best part of the game is getting the cooldowns to line up just right and doing three flippy spins in a row.
Me, a DNC: Let's D D R!
I'll forever miss 4.0 SAM, being a mindless idiot spaming hagakure on cd and shinten, the absolute stupidity of being able to build stupidly low gcd that double weaving was impossible and running out of TP instantly.
4.0 SAM was the best SAM
I miss Stormblood SAM...
didn't play back in SB but that sounds interesting lmao.
@@vaderglenn the way it worked was hagakure was a better use of your sen than midare setsugekka, but was on a cooldown, so you'd prio hagakure and shinten spam over it but midare as filler, it was really enjoyable, then 5.0 dumbed it down to always midare never think unga bunga
@@manbearpigsereal I liked that it was basically the melee version of stacking spell speed on BLM.
The "never nerf" crowd is so bizarre to me. They'd literally rather buff 10 other jobs and the BOSSES too than see just one number go down even though it makes zero difference in how you play the game. Actual caveman behaviour.
I agree, but also disagree. I do think people take it to an unnecessary extreme and seem to believe that all nerfs are inherently bad, but at the same time, it's understandable that people feel that way about them. Nobody wants to feel like they're getting *less* out of the same thing they were doing before. It's just not satisfying to the player. On the other hand, with buffs, people find it satisfying to do the exact same things they were doing before and yet get more out of it than they did before. It's why leveling systems work. People enjoy the feeling of becoming stronger, but nobody really likes getting weaker.
Is it stupid? Yes. Is it irrelevant to the actual gameplay? Yes. Does the human mind care about it anyway? Typically, yes.
As someone who played WoW, i prefer the buff idea. Since anything strong in WoW was typically nerfed into the ground and you get the opposite situation where everything was answered with a nerf and with occasionally buffing others. Def feels like a situation that can go both ways, at least with buff everyone, you have very little reason to be mad and if you do get mad, well idk what to say lol.
Those same people are the ones who do not know how "power creep" works, that's why they love to just say that.
I feel like a lot of it is context. Like maybe Reaper is the only job that is actually performing how they want it to. If everyone else was where they wanted them to be, but Reaper was overperforming, I think they'd nerf Reaper. That's what the Yoshida quote sounded like to me, anyway.
Also if you buff 10 other jobs to try to avoid nerfing 1, aren’t you kinda indirectly nerfing it?
Hey man as a DRG main I just want a buff to Stardiver and that's it. I love my job and I'll continue to play it through every piece of content. I just want that one B I G attack so, I can scream "STARDIVER!" at the top of my lungs and for it to translate to more than the damage of a normal GCD and see it's impact on the enemy.
Walking out of a continuous 12 minute dps race and seeing shit like wheeling thrust or wyrmwind as my max hit is just...depressing. Especially when the entire thing is holding Stardiver specifically for buff windows, it's like you're just hoping that Stardiver will make you feel better by doing a big number and then it never does.
Except for that 103k direct crit in SHB. That was a happy moment.
I'm surprised Wheeling or Wyrmwind comes out as your max hit. Heavens' Thrust + Life Surge is always my top one because of the second charge of LS basically guaranteeing that its available each time you would use it. But yeah that's the problem, it's all around the same damage and nothing really stands out so you feel like you're just dragging along a combo with no finisher.
@@InfinitumDiver Wyrmwind is quite possible since it's only 10(?) potency less than heavens, and as for wheeling sometimes RNG just decides to give you a max roll on the end of your combo while your heavens never direct hits the entire run. Was still weird as hell seeing something other than Stardiver or heavens as a max hit though.
@@InfinitumDiver that's the problem, you treat HT+LS as part of the combo
it _IS_ the big attack
We had our raid leader and a member blow up at eachother because that static member kept complaining about how P1S mechanics were easy, while getting clapped by aoe's.
Said static member also complained about how FF14 was too easy.
Said static member is now no longer a static member.
Sounds very similar to someone we had at tryouts a couple of months ago in ShB, cocky new player (we were all new players) who kept going on and on about how easy ffxiv was but got mad at himself and brought negativity to the static because he couldn't actually do the mechanics, i felt bad for him but there's no reason to lie to yourself if you keep failing the mechanics, just be humble and learn :/
Were you raiding with quin69?
Sounds like he was protecting his own ego.
For example: See DSP play ANYTHING.
Sounded like a huge ego check there!
@@Lunamana last static i was in i had a samurai who freaked out when i did one mistake in like 10 runs everyones else did mistakes before but no when the drg does one mistake i get yelled at ofc i clapped back cus im not a pushover he was the main reason i left later and since then im a happy pug raider its nice to have freedom
i think its nice to know theres a high skill ceiling so you know you can do more with the class if you want to put in the time to master it
Exactly. When I feel like I mastered a class, that is when I start getting bored.
Thank you for making this video. I'm about to start FFXIV when it goes back on sale and I was worried that I'd be bad at the class I like playing or that I'd be bad at all the classes. You explaining that all jobs at a mediocre level can clear content let's me know that as long as I pay attention, I can expirence the story with whatever job I enjoy.
how’s it going
You missed to notice the world comparisons between now and then after the job change. There is massive key difference between the two images.
One is on the left, other is on the right.
Man, if Chair is blowing a gasket this hard on SAM players, I hope he never reads the Monk threads on the official forums....
There's no hope for those people...
Have you seen the DRK threads on there
Pure copium and people taking a video game wayy too seriously
Whenever any job changes, no matter how much of an improvement it is, there will ALWAYS be people who cry that the old version was better. Happened with the 5.0 Machinist rework too and I wouldn't be surprised if there's some insane people out there who liked Heavensward Paladin.
What are the MNK complaints about?
@@haziqtheunique They want the positionals back. They don't like having only 2 positionals and preferred it when they just had their basic rotation and 2 OGCDs. Monk has always been awful to play and even when it had really good dps, nobody played it.
Meanwhile, Endwalker Monk is so fun to play, it was one of the top played dps class alongside RPR.
All of the "Monk Mains" thought that nobody would play the class and raids would reflect that. Than when world-first groups had monks they back-pedaled and said they just weren't "REAL" monk mains.
It's very toxic group of people on the forums. Usually the same 7 people.
That's like a total of 10 people. Had a guy say anatman was fine because monk is functional and has good DPS. Shit baffled the fuck out of me. Having a useless skill at level 78 is fine? When the job doesn't change really from 60-90? Great DPS sure, but it's kind of disappointing.
Good lord this hits close to home. Every time I make a FFXIV lore video that doesn't match up perfectly with someone's OC Fanfiction. There's at least a handful of people that throw an absolute fit. I'm convinced that many people have nothing else to do in life other than complain about pointless junk.
I am here to constantly complain about absolutely everything.
Out of all the opinions I've seen you put to voice, this is the single most accurate. My static successfully cleared P4S week one.
We did it with a Paladin (lowest dps tank), Dragoon (lowest dps melee), and Summoner (2nd lowest dps class overall).
Another friend of mine is a Dancer main, and refuses to swap off of Dancer to play Bard, despite begging, pleading, and flaming from her static. She mained Dancer in 11, she's going to main Dancer in 14.
Play the class you fucking enjoy. If you are good at the class, then you can clear anything in the goddamn game, bar none. By the time we killed p4s, we still had another 7 seconds before the enrage finished, and this was with safety gaming mechanics that we could honestly have safely greeded. That 7 seconds was more than enough to make up the difference between Bard and Dancer. It's not hard.
As for the criticism one, nothing irks me more than somebody absolutely *refusing* to do the bare fucking minimum to go from "absolute garbage fire" to "passably mediocre". I may be a 99-parsing sweatlord optimizer who genuinely enjoys sitting down with the raid and optimizing for single second differences in buff timings, but most people aren't, and I understand that.
But there is NO excuse for just... refusing to *read your goddamn tooltips*, learn the absolute fucking basics of your rotation, and use every ability in your toolkit. Tanks who don't mitigate, healers who don't dps or use ogcd's, dps who only do their 1-2-3...
And the two current worst of them all: the Shroudless Reaper, and the WebMD.
Read. Your. Goddamn. Tool. Tips.
Wait how? Non Shrouded reaper? How? My head hurts also whats webmd?
@@Guardsmen4 Somehow this dumbass reaper didn’t do the job quests…
As for a WebMD…
All WebMD does is spam a bunch of useless Diagnosis that does fuck all.
Now, what does a particularly bad Sage do?…
I started Samurai in EW (leveled through 3 expansions since I was a trial before.) I've heard people complain about pre-EW version, but never really understood it; the closest I got, was leveling. Having 1 Tsubami felt boring, and Namikiri feels meaty and I love using it.
It was my first actual DPS character, so positionals and combos were a bit to get used to, but after playing it enough I only mess up when a super important mechanic is happening or coming up. I've said this in other videos, but I think difficulty is what you're playing + what you're playing against; it's the standard for PvP games, so why not PvE? Anyone can headshot a moving target dummy in Apex or Overwatch, but what about when that dummy starts trying to kill you?
You have limited time, need to position yourself properly multiple times, and THEN you need to perform your role/job at a sufficient level. While watching pro players in shooters, the main thing I took from it: consistency. Top raiders are also like this. Doing EVERYTHING right *consistently* is where the difficulty lies.
This is all just talk, though...I play at a satisfactory level, but by no means think I'm near the top. I don't parse, but if I'm not missing a beat in my rotation that's all I need to know.
Now..lining up burst windows with friendly buffs/debuffs is something I haven't done much. Having a static likely helps with that.
ANYWAYS this post is way too long.
It absolutely blows my mind what the FFXIV community complains about when it comes to class balance. I would kill for the level of class balance this game has to be the MMO standard. I've been playing WoW since actual classic as a kid, and you have specs if not entire classes literally left to die for an entire expansion doing literally half the DPS or healing as another spec/class. The FFXIV community has it so good when it comes to *actually* getting to play whatever you want.
People seem to forget that that's not at all how it works in other games and that if you don't bring the meta, the possibility of you getting a clear on the hardest content actually becomes questionable. For example, on TBCC, the fact that a raid brought 5 warriors and 2 rogues to their 25 man raid was fucking worthy of a news article on wowhead (premier modern wow news source), celebrating the fact that they could bring that many melee to a raid!
Whenever I see people bitching about a 1-2% damage gap in between classes, I seriously want to break ToS on FFXIV and call them a stupid baby that needs to get over themselves and that they're playing the actual most well-balanced game on the entire fucking market. By far. Go look up what the class balance in guild wars 2 is like and be blessed you don't have to deal with bad game design and learn to thank the game devs instead of bitching about getting an extra 10-20 potency on a few attacks a few weeks faster. Really.
Yee man these mf’s got it so good that they don’t even know it 😂 spoiled people who havnt experienced having ur class be actual dog shitt an just left there to rot for 2 years at a time if not more. I wish wow had the same thought process as ff devs when it came to balancing. Everyone would be the happiest fucking people on the planet and there would be so much more spec diversity instead of seeing only 5 being taken in most high end content. We need ff devs an wow devs to trade places then the ff community will never complain again bout balancing.
WoW BFA was a funny shit show. Elemental and enhancement shamans were instantly declined and kicked out of groups, because of community perception that they were bad. On the contrary, they weren't the top parsing classes but were doing just fine and in guild/friend groups could easily push high mythic keys and do mythic raids just fine. This is literally the same shit show just in FF14, where the fckin difference is less than 1-2% on perfect fight execution which lets be honest is nearly impossible to pull off.
@@Kakyoin489 tbh with current number of specs in wow, that's 36 classes to balance per tier compared to FF14s 19. Plus FF14 has no talents, gear bonuses, legendary effects and other nuances. WoW would have to literally go back to old school philosophy and remove the whole idea of "each spec should feel different and like its own class" that started with legion patch in WoD and rather make class be its own thing with some deviations in talent choices. Say, why does mage need 3 specs? Its hard to balance. Rather, make it 1-2 specs tops (like DH) and allow talents to be flavor of fire/frost/arcane with some small and subtle rotation deviation. If they'd shrink it down significantly, even tier sets would make more sense and it would be easier to balance it all. There was interview somewhere with wow dev addressing this bloat and that it was a bad game design decision. Tbh, I think community would understand if they made drastic changes like these to keep the game balanced as opposed to every expansion flavor of the month bs meta.
I didn’t know worlds first had a BLM in it, but now that I know, this is amazing.
As someone who enjoys blm, but is too shit at the game to prog with it, I was literally sitting there like “man it’s so easy to lose damage on blm I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re in a worse spot than that DPS meter shows”
Nothing matters. Video game easy
It's so easy to just stop casting while you run around avoiding aoes and feel real stupid after, especially if you manage to drop your gauge. At least Enochian is a trait now, I gladly accept that crutch
BLM needs to have the group recognise that they are a BLM and help them out.
Casual content will have entire raids sit in your leyline and make sure all mechanics are pointed in your direction and go "lmao blm standing in bad for dps"
BLM play in organized groups are a different game entirely.
they were debating on going 2 melee (rpr mnk) and no BLM because of ex dps rankings actually, but they stuck to their usuals (+rpr) out of comfort, which worked well for them.
@@Ya0w nah they don't, not really, a BLM has so many tools now that it shouldn't need help
@@Doublejho I dont necessarily think that is help, I think it is just not getting in the way. If there is a bait-able aoe about to go out, I will proactive try not to drop it in the way of teammates, especially jobs with casts.
But SAM is a stupidly easy job!
_proceeds to Ikishoten with 75 kenki for the 10th time_
xD
it really feels like this discussion just needs to happen every time an expansion releases or new hard 8-man content gets added to the game. the personal damage of each job really doesn't mean anything because pretty much everything is tuned to be cleared with pretty much any party comp so long as people aren't just freestyling their rotation, and if there does end up being a large enough disparity between two job's dps that Isn't Intentional due to How Jobs Are Designed, since minor patches happen frequently enough in this game as they do, They Can Just Fix It In A Patch. Also regardless of their motivation, the buffs > nerfs approach is awesome. It's awesome when it's the approach in stuff like fighting games and even moreso in pve games because realistically, everyone wins since the competitive aspect in pve games is usually just some weird shit on the side that some players feel is necessary to stroke their ego. As you said in the video, if you want to be a slave to the meta just do that and get the small extra dps that you get from doing that, but if you want to play the job that you like, just play the job that you like.
I chose DPS to start with because I thought it would be the easiest thing to do. I chose Bard because I figured I'd be kind of mediocre at it, so I figured if I was able to use buffs and support people that would make up for my DPS deficiencies. Turns out, I picked a job that is not hard but keeps very very busy. Turns out I was both right and wrong. Being a DPS was more involved than I thought it would be when I realized I had a responsibility to do mechanics right and not give the healer an aneurism. I realized "If I can keep track of buttons, I can keep track of people's HP" So I became a healer. I liked it. So I became a tank because I apparently hate myself. Now I like tanking. Still like my Bard.
Bard has been through several changes. Last expansion we lost TP which is good. But we also gained a little brother named Dancer who is hella fun to play and took all my buffs. I hate him, but I love him also so I'm ok that his personal DPS is shit because he's so precious I can't stay mad at him and those sweet buffs.
I still miss Foe's requiem.
Now Bard doesn't have to rely on DOTs, which is cool. Our songs last longer, which is cool. And we can more effectively buff ourselves and the party, which is cool. We even managed to out damage Machinist which... wtf happened to you my dude? I am so sorry.
MCH is only lower in rDPS. And like, yeah, it has no party buffs.
SMN main since ARR, SMN wasn't hard, but it was more engaging before. I was also a sweaty orange parser though. The APM before was about 41, now its like 36? I think but the current APM is a bit padded with garuda's low gcd and the mountain busters you get at 86 adding in 4 presses per minute. Stormblood summoner was a great time, since it actually involved thought and gave you options for ways to hold your burst for burst windows. ShB dropped that since you'll just drift too hard if you tried, and now there's no reason to try to hold anything since the trances will reset your gems and bahamut and phoenix do more than the primals anyway. I don't need SMN to be the big dick it was for a while in ShB again, but I would like it to be more engaging. Nothing else really scratches that itch for me and never has. I still only play SMN, its just not as fun now.
For someone who doesn't play SMN only level it up and then forget everything about it afterwards. I also don't like the NEW SMN. For most of the content it just summon, spam ruin(gemshine sure but before it becomes Rite, it's called Ruin still), summon spam ruin, summon spam ruin. Also I see no reason to use any of the summons beside just to keep doing damage while waiting for Baha/Nix. Baha/Nix is needed to do Elementals but Elementals isn't needed for Baha/Nix. The one skill that gives you something else to do is so late(favors), and the Big Bads are endgame, should have put it at least at 82(81 would been best though).
i'm a fairly new player and a SMN main. Started a month before EW dropped, so got to experience old SMN up to lvl60.
"Engaging" is the exact word.
I didn't think SMN was particularly hard before: I too avoid every gaming community on this blue earth as much as I can, and I only started making friends in the game after EW, so my entire experience with old SMN was "pure" and without influence from existing players' knowledge, but i still figured out weaving and maintaining uptime, and all that stuff that i didn't even know had names for it, just by feeling out the class and the game (when i eventually decided to look up some guides and stuff to see what i was doing right or wrong, i discovered to my pleasant, ego-boosting surprise, that i intuitively figured out the ideal SMN rotation for my level minus a few quirks here and there). All this to say, I didn't think SMN was very difficult. If you payed a little attention and focused on maximizing dps, it was, i feel, very easy to figure out what to do, and then do it.
The difference is that before, i was always doing something. Always pressing different buttons. Sure, there'd be little bursts of just spamming ruin for filler, but most of the time there was always something to do - use my pet abilities at the right time, refresh DoTs, throw in energy drain and fester, etc etc. At level 60 I had two full hotbars (well I used 3 for hotkey convenience, but they had blank spaced in them), while my other classes could pretty much fit everything into one if i really wanted them to. hell, BLM almost felt like it had 3 buttons. Now it's the opposite, with SMN feeling like it has half the buttons BLM does, and being able to fit all of them in 1 hotbar if i wanted.
New SMN is just... more boring. I still enjoy it, but it feels sooo much more.. spammy. Summon Bahamut/Phoenix, Spam ruin, summon ifrit, spam ruin, summon titan, spam ruin, summon garuda, spam ruin, back to start. With no more DoTs, and fester no longer doing damage based on those DoTs, there's no longer any timing-related reason to hold onto your aetherflow charges, and since you have SO much instant cast now, there's no need to use fester for casting while moving in a pinch either. I used to enjoy SMN because it was engaging and kept me focused and active during fights, now I enjoy SMN because i get to look at all the different god souls i enslaved go out and fight for me in a parade. It's cool but it doesn't feel like the job I started my journey with anymore. RDM is filling that hole of engagement for me rn, but it's just not the same.
Granted I'm still far from max level and have many abilities yet to unlock. But from what i can tell it's still not gonna bring that same engagement back.
yeah I feel like SMN now has a really good base to stand on compared to the mess it was before, just need more OGCDs and decisionmaking. its funny how they added so much decision making to a lot of classes, but ended up making SMN the most mechanical class probably in the entire game, maybe only behind MCH. but I'm very curious to see how they will improve SMN in the future, because right now it plays like an amazing class would play at maybe lvl 60.
hard agree but with StB machinist -> ShB machinist. they took a job that was a bit clunky and had some esoteric elements and gutted it
My current execution checks (which is arguably part of the "fun" in SMN) are trying to pick the right lego post-Phoenix because so many mechanics suck at giving anyone time to stand still, the decision making of using Swiftcast, not dying by diligently using aegis (shield), and most importantly, placing carbuncle around mid fights to prevent it from delaying raidbuff from walking and make sure everyone gets it.
Surprisingly hectic despite the simplified rotation, no /s
This is an incredibly hot take, but man do I agree.
I'll have to rewatch this a few times to fully digest. 'Till then, much love!
Yoshi P was pretty sad, he's getting rekt for touching Samurai...
Meanwhile Dragoons: "I jump, I happy. Moar Jump? More happy."
Melee DPS: BLM is easy, you don't even move
BLM: Why, yes. You're exactly right. [Continues to cast fire IV nonstop for 5 minutes]
You're very possibly the most entertaining ranter I've seen, it's really quite amazing. I mean, I occasionally just rewind a few seconds to hear you go off again, it's fucking great.
Mr. Chair, I would love to beat the hardest content in the game, but my melee dps are too busy dieing to mechanics while trying to hit their directions on P2S. (Btw it's fucking omnidirectional so you don't even have to). It's actually ridiculous how many times people can screw up mechanics, especially the ones where all you have to do is go to a god damn marked position.
every class is easy if you just wing it but if youre trying to clear the raid tier ASAP like joining a week 1 / 2 groups, then rotations matters or else you’d be griefing and complaining why your team cant clear on 0.1% with no deaths, while your rotation was also the problem lol
but if youre casual and just play the game for dungeons , just play casually and dont think about optimizing.
but if youre trying to clear the fight asap , you try to get better over time and help with the damage check
Casuals don't care anyway, and most are completely unaware. They hit 3k dps as Samurai/Reaper/Blm at lvl90 and think they're doing a great job.
While the average savage healer will outdps the highest dps classes there
@@Bankai90 yeah.. and if their dps is shit and they dont realize it, theyre wasting peoples time inside dungeons, it can be twice longer than its supposed to be
This is why I've loved RDM since it came out in Stormblood. It's nearly a perfectly designed class; it's fun to play, easy to understand, and stylish as fuck.
The fact that it brings massive utility to the table with battle-rezzes, emergency heals, and Embolden is just icing on the cake.
I hear you there mate, I love RDM. It's always felt so good to play, and the clutch party saves you can pull of are super cool
rdm rocks! :D
wait rdm gets rezzes? I really need to level that job more
Good video, but I disagree on the part about rdps and adps with regards to ninja and samurai. The way rdps is calculated is that you get the extra damage your allies did with your buffs added to your own DPS number rankings. So when even in rdps rankings, samurai is still higher, there's something wrong
I second this purely from a game balancing concept. Otherwise it really doesn't matter since we still, mostly, play the same and clearing content is more about maintaining an adequate rotation whilst doing mechanics
The point that is made is that you want someone with higher raw dps in order to gain the larger rDPS contributions. Ninja is still absolutely undertuned, but samurai is more or less fine since its role is to be the job with the high base damage for others to gain their rDPS from.
@@BakaGaijinSama except the reality is that bringing 4 selfish DPS jobs is currently stronger than having a support job like ninja, or even dragoon in your group
@@Galaick That's not how this works at all. First, there are only 3 "Selfish DPS" SAM, MCH, BLM. So unless you want to get less loot you have to bring someone with support, second the more selfish DPS you have, the better your DPS will be with some support meaning it's always better to have a mix. Yeah ninja is a tiny tiny bit undertuned (remember the gap between top and bottom DPS is like 8% total) it's really not the end of the world. It's much more likely any clearing issues are because of damage down or deaths than just tiny differences in rDPS
@@katjalehtinen8101 What??? "So unless you want to get less loot you have to bring someone with support..." How do the dps jobs you bring affect how much loot you get??? From what?? You have never been required to bring any specific jobs in order to get more loot.
So I had to pick a melee DPS to get my 5th role job covered. Spent awhile looking at all the options... but you know what didn't come into my calculations? What one has an arbitrary best DPS. If I had I'd have jumped aboard the reaper train with everyone else, especially as its seen that they aren't willing to nerf it.
But do you know what is more important to me than that? Things like... how the job plays... how the job restricted gear looks... how the attack animations look... how it fits into the story. These are way more important to me than some number that no one but omega tryhards really care about.
I picked Ninja, by the way. Also Chair's guide on Ninja has made it so I can't unsee when other ninjas spam aoe mudras against single targets. I want to tell them to spam raijin instead and use trick attack on cooldown... but then I would be that guy.
So I just sit there and silently judge them instead while also trying not to muck up my own rotations.
I have never played or touched Rogue/Ninja until two weeks ago. I must admit Chair has also influenced me with the job. "Doream wisin a doream", "Yoshow Ran-Ryu". His stupid ass pronounciations stuck with me, I hate it/love it. The self-consciousness of using Doton on single target also makes me cry lol
But chair this game is hard, i have to press wasd while i press other buttons. What do i do?
I main as a GNB because tanking is the easiest job. Don't let some other tanks find out I said that . 😉
Finally, the perfect video for how I feel about every job.
Issue I’m having with this take is that when people refer to difficulty they’re generally referring to playing at the best level. At least from my experience
idk what the percentage of players who participate in the highest end difficulty but if it's like other MMOs it's a fraction of a fraction, Who cares what those people care or think, listening to them/trying to cater to them is literally what ruined WoW.
his point is that ppl may be talking about playing at best level, but how many are actually there? not everyone can be the top 0.1% players, ppl are so worried about the difference between the dmg of the top players on fflogs, why? can they even get close to the best dancers even on a reaper? most cant
ITS STILL EASY. STAY MAD.
@@sprity8048 now... You're fu*ing right
I'm a WHM, I love my job, I will keep everyone I can alive and doing damage, and I am happy with that fact.
Lol, I play Warrior, my job IS easy, thats why I like it. I push Fell Cleave, get Dopamine, I push Jumping Fell Cleave, get dopamine. I push Bloodwhetting and Group Fell Cleave, and get lots of dopamine.
same with Gunbreaker, I'm here to click buttons and look cool while doing it
also because Heart of Corundum
Simple jobs are underrated. Imo all of the most enjoyable jobs are the ones that are the most straightforward and with the least amount of button bloat.
Warrior is the easiest job in the game imo but it’s super fun. Summoner is also super fun. Reaper, simple and fun. Sage, simple a fun. Bard, simple and fun. There’s a pattern here.
You know what else is super fun and super simple? A shotgun. A fucking shotgun. Try firing a shotgun, not very hard but super fun and very engaging.
7:05 "Oh boo-hoo reaper does more raid damage than samurai, I can't believe the dev team hates us degenerate weaboos" LMFAOO
I enjoyed the first couple of your videos that I watched, because they were amusing.
This one just seems rather ranty... Which is the outlier?
I wanna see the FFLogs erased off the internet just for the sheer salt it would cause in some people.
Same lol
I feel like "simple" is a better for it. Each job is made to be approachable and as long as you read your tool tips you'll be fine
Nah anything below extremes are easy.
@@jellydamgood Cry about it, anti-casual
@@skeletonwar4445 and why would I do that?
@@jellydamgood I mean... you already are?
@@skeletonwar4445 Are what? Did you reply to the wrong person?
Brb falling over and pissing myself while this Raiju stack ticks down. To be fair, it's only a small number of people, as most people who might have played the job abandoned Nin already for this expack.
i still main NIN i dont need it to be number 1 to find it fun
as a nin main, i hate myself more than i hate the team in charge of the class.
Most people. kay well i enjoyed it and it is the only melee i have at max level as the other ones are boring to me. Nin feels good.
@@Phospion well you just happen to be the number one ninja! and its only player. Congrats
jk, im just goofin. Ninja is fun. I cant believe people still complain about it, like he said in the video, reaper gets it worse now but those limitations are actually kinda fun. Gotta prepare in advance thats all. And nin gets a god damn chidori, thats so cool
I think it needs tweaking but the main reason I quit NIN this expac is because it wasnt fun for ME anymore. I have a friend who loves it still and I dont give him shit for it haha. I respect it even. I think there is something to be considered if a lot of NINs are leaving because its not fun though. Hard to tell with it doing poor damage though, since a lot of players were there for big numbah
I wish this game was harder, deadlier open world mobs, more of them, more grinding for weapons & armours, more trials
One thing in ffxiv im not a massive fan of is having multiple abilities that do the same thing. The rotation can be made harder without having duplicates.
Can confirm. I parse 95+ on Dragoon on high end content in pug groups and literally all i've done is looked up an opener and adjusted some buff timings depending on the fight.
I got a 96 without even doing a sensible opener, I'm beginning to suspect that the Dragoon playerbase is very small and smooth brained.
@@mythologique I main dragoon and I can confirm my brain is about as smooth as they get. it's great
@@rubyppatchio smooth brain solidarity, big dragon go rawr
eeeh I'll need some proff, because DRG is one of the most played classes of a friend of mine, and its funny how hard it is to optimize to certain fights, (at least before EW, its a bit easier now). the way you were forced to hunt for positionals to be able to finish the combo, the timings of the north stars, the absurd amount of animation locks on OGCDs you don't want to let drift... it was probably one of the hardest, if not THE hardest melee DPS to optimized.
@@danilooliveira6580 I'll be the first to admit drg is easy to learn but can be a pain to master/fully optimize for the exact reasons you listed. some fights are difficult to get positionals on (especially if the tank moves around way too frequently or if the tanks are fighting for aggro in raids), but in terms of the general rotation and weaving oGCD's, it's pretty simple. and yeah the jumps lock you into an animation but getting screwed over because of that is something that's easily avoidable if you know the fight
When I started this expansion I was like. 'They made Gunbreaker to easy.'
I got to level 90. 'Ohhh so that's where all the difficulty went for the job. It got shifted up to 90.'
I'm cool with that.
You could say they... doubled down on it, eh?
Alright, I'll see myself out.
I had the same reaction when I went from MNK lvl sub-60 to MNK lvl post-60, even if my experience with MNK is limited to "PotD" and like a handful of dungeons.
Sub-60, everything just flows. Post-60, Constantly screw up the flow, making Twin Snakes run out, NOT proccing Leaden Fist, and wait for too long with Perfect Balance. And there's still a whole 3 expansions for me to level through with MNK... yay...
As a NIN main I think Fleeting Raiju is absolutely cool as hell as I barrel into the enemy like a weeb bullet.
Gonna say it.
A summoner who clears savage is better than any big brain job player that can’t.
In my experience i have never played any game that is as balanced as ff14. Sure there are minor differences but overall every job is capable of doing everything in the game.
FF14 still has major balance issues but it is one of the cleanest MMOs to balance just because of how simple everything is. There are only a handful of jobs compared to classes in other MMOs and they aren't customizable in the slightest which makes it more consistent.
Seeing how FF14 does it's Jobs makes you feel bad for the WoW Devs having to balance each spec like it's it's own seperate class with talent rows and interesting gear instead of just FF14 stat sticks.
Thats right. I am here again. Im literally addicted to your channel now. Shit man congrats
Yo, me too, i watched some videos like 3 times
Dragoon main here. Yea its pretty easy. As long as I don't zone out of repeat my full thrust combo like a scrub and drop my damage buff AND DoT and then hate myself for making a small mistake and then getting all my other buffs out of any semblance of an alignment and delay all my OGCDs as i continue to panic about getting my simple rotation back on track. But hats just me cuz I'm bad. Dragoon is easy.
lmao nice way to say its a busy job, which isnt wrong.
I really don't like how ninja feels to play rn, so im trying out dancer instead. yeah it kinda sucks because i like ninja's aesthetic a lot, but how a class feels to play is a lot more important to me than how it looks. also i have no idea what dps numbers are. fun things are fun.
I've known 2 NIN players going into EW and both swapped to other melee jobs pretty fast after experiencing the forced gap closer Raijus. Since the patch I have heard it's a million times better but still feels just a little scuffed compared to the others. Hopefully they iron out some of the final issues it has like the awkward gauge generation. Also the damage numbers for it have been "fixed" anyway, it was pretty far behind the other melees before, even lower than Bard actually which is why I think people were complaining so much. But since the most recent balance patch it's back up to where it should be with the other melees and that's great, even if it is the lowest of the bunch.
Good on ya, it happens. Hope you like DNC! They might keep tweaking NIN along the line too so test it out later!
Very well said. People using the ceiling of something for its overall difficulty is definitely a constant bugbear of videogame discourse (esp in something like fighting games, where people seem to drastically overestimate how much of the mindboggling tech possible you actually need in practice at a beginner level. MOBAs like League of Legends are objectively the some of the most annoyingly obtuse games on the market but that sure didnt stop LoL from being the literal most played game in the world, at least half of whom probably suck at it but dont care)
On a similar note re: the SAM thing, on the one hand it does make sense that intuitively Samurai, the class that does nothing but hit a motherfucker hard, should be outnumbering the melee classes that also bring potentially powerful defensive utility to the table like Monk (which as a Monk main, we should probably not be on top) or Reaper (which even had to be nerfed there lol), like that just kinda makes sense from a group composition design standpoint. On the other hand, like you point out, just using rDPS metrics doesnt really take into account that getting those juicy raid damage parses requires much more co-ordination and optimization from the team, the kind you really can't rely on during prog or god forbid PF, and the fact classes like Samurai or even White Mage on healers don't need that shit is a very slept on trait.
Which is kinda an important thing about DPS; people seem to have this weird mentality that doing higher damage than necessary is purely a cock-extension speedrunning/parse metric that has no practical benefit in situations outside of illegal funny colours, when this is demonstrably not true in key areas like being at least 80-90% of why old content gets trivialized to save time or the fact that raid kills like the very one you point to for BLM came down to basically a couple of server ticks before enrage (which is also the main reason for other classes coming up IMO, which is that the devs may have a damage range in mind that the non-Reaper/reworked!Monk dps isnt hitting in this new math, given those are the new kids on the block). Yeah, the obvious answer to DPS checks, esp in something like the chaos of party finder, is simply to play better and hope damage RNG is also nicer to you, and those are both absolutely correct, and outweigh the vast majority of class output differences in this game in almost all situations, but as anyone who's hit a 1 or 0.5% enrage can tell you, there's a very distinctly non-zero amount of cases where small, seemingly insignificant margins absolutely add up to change outcomes even if only in the short term, which can absolutely be the difference between being done and needing another grueling hour of attempts (I may be projecting some bad PF runs) Which is the *real* reason why all those world first groups care so much about class/dps meta and stuff; a few seconds off a boss kill doesn't matter in a vacuum but when its the last % of health during an enrage cast that could be you finally being done with prog...
This is why I just play Dragoon and stay in my lane. All I wanna do is do flips and shit while doing pretty okay damage. Only started playing at the end of ShB so optimization can wait until I really have a feel for shit lmao. Oh and also Monk, but that was more because I think fist weapons are cool as shit
I also like poking stuff exclusively lol
Everyone: OmG pAlAdIn NeEd DaMaGe BuFf
Me: Aha, giant holy sword go BRRR
Gotta love it when people in PF point out that your job is non-meta, then you proceed to carry the whole team because they keep messing up their meta job rotation.
As a ninja main, I would like to thank you on your piece about Raiju. Even in it’s previous iteration, I thought people where just being stupid about how bad Raiju combo was. Yeah it was bad, but it had its work arounds. After the fix I was like wow, this is amazing, I can’t think of a single reason why anybody would think this is bad. But apparently I was wrong.
I think it's because baseline player skill level in FF14 is a lot lower than most other MMOs. Hell, you get lucky in a roulette if your DPS even have their AoE abilities bound. that's such a low bar
Yeah, unfortunately this is very true. Not enough attention is brought to improvement in my opinion and I don't think that will change. I feel like it hurts content sometimes too, a good example being the current savage tier. The first 3 fights are no harder than the extremes, with p2s actually being easier than the extremes and I can't think of a reason for this other than the fights are being intentionally made more and more accessible to people who have no interest in improving their gameplay.
That was surface level take on why the raijus are bad. The reason raijus are at least very annoying because it killed flexibility in your trick windows. Because its your highest potency melee gcd your goal should be to get as many in trick windows as you can. For instance in e12s the shiva trick window had you rearrange your normal trick window so that it ends with TCJ but now you can't do that because if you did the raiju you get from tcj will never be in the trick window anymore for the rest of the fight. So either you would have to delay a trick, which has its own potential consequences, or every 2 minute window after is just weaker now because raiju restricted the flexibility of gcds in your trick window. This goes for also applies to any trick windows where it is safe to be next to the boss for the first part of it and not safe near the end of the window. You can't end trick windows with raitons because you wont get any raijus inside trick.
They did make one of them not a dash, so ninja don't get fucked by roots anymore like in zodiark extreme so that's a good change at least.
I once said "Bard is an easy DPS", then BOOM! My friends laughed and insulted me with my Bard DPS log in Stormblood Patch (Grey log). From that day, I resigned myself to say everything in FF14 with my friends
lmao thanks for making this video. i once got snarked at in a chat for playing dnc in an ex, but now i'm just more comfortable playing the game in general, with all classes. this is such a good video.
if anyone snarks you for playing dnc, report them for harassment.
Snark someone for playing DNC while the same DNC bring Mitigation, little heal (perfect after a stack marker for exemple), some DPS and an insane DPS buff for 1 ally and a good one for all the party is just awful, I mean, yeah DNC personnal DPS is lower but it gave to the others even higher DPS than they should have so in the end the global DPS is higher
As much as I agree with your points if you were a week one player this tier and you ran a paladin warrior dancer summoner comp the DPS check on the p4s door boss was actually absurd you had to have lucky crits to even clear it with people hardcore optimizing the fight. I had more than a few runs that were 100 to 50 DPS off and after analyzing the logs for hours and hours we came to the conclusion that we just had to ban under performing classes and we ended up having enough damage that we didn't even need DPS llb3(700 dps). Of course we could have just kept running the classes that we wanted to play and we would have cleared it eventually but this is the first time since I started playing final fantasy that comp felt like it mattered at least for week one.
Agree 100%. You know, it's funny. I used to be a MNK main. I picked up MCH about half way through Shadowbringers, and I fell in love with the coolness factor and the way that the rotation flows so well that you can really spend time focusing on mechanics. Up until the newest patch, I still very much enjoyed playing MNK, but after 6.0 I kinda hate it. Now, I'm not saying the design is bad, but I would have to put so much more effort into MNK to hit the same DPS numbers that I hit on my MCH, and I'd probably be having less fun too.
People like to shit on MCH for having low Damage relative to melee classes and no good party buffs. They like to say it's not viable in high end content. If that's the case, why am I CONSISTENTLY top dps in my raid groups? Could it be that I get consistent uptime during mechanics? Could it be that the rotation is so incredibly smooth that I can do it in my sleep? Could it be that maybe I'm just paying more attention and putting in the effort to git gud?
And that's the thing, right? Here's the secret to "viability": Nothing is viable if you suck; everything is viable if you're good.
The hardest job in the game is whichever one you're playing when the rest of the team stands in bad like they're trying to get their names in guinness for it.
As a former summoner main, I agree that ShB summoner was a pretty simple job, which could be summed up with "manage your dots, CDs, demis, and jank". But just because you don't like managing jank doesn't mean that every job in the game has to be jankless, besides that they removed dots and their interaction with your CDs, summoner is literally just demis and CDs now. Current summoner is way too straight forward for me, and well I enjoy playing it, I miss old summoner more then I enjoy new summoner
honestly same, if they had kept old smn and made the pets more responsive and had demi bahamut and phoenix not follow you around everywhere that would be all I'd ever ask for. It wasn't the difficulty that had me missing it but the engagement. I feel completely braindead when playing current smn, not having to worry about anything, I rarely even feel like a caster anymore. I don't think there will be another job to fill the void lol
I always missed deathflare in dw trance 😂
Finally, a good video. This is what I subscribed for
The hardest thing in FFXIV is figuring out how to level up without interacting with the other players. So far, so good. Of course I could still be playing WoW with 4chan vomit stains so FF is an improvement. At least they are primarily decent people.
Game is mindless. I mean mindless. I have been leveling so far and I will say there is no challenge and no the story is not interesting to me. Have read pages of Reddit and forum on the subject and people say “ it gets good at endgame it’s hard at endgame” what a wast of an mmo world. This game is for people who suffer from low testosterone and don’t like to experience any challenges or overcome obstacles.
I have a post a question to you . As a machinist player , if we cannt provide any buffs to the party while our own dps is no way comparable to other selfish jobs why would anyone allow us in their raiding party? I been forced to switch because of this even though mch is my favourite dps
So when I first looked at Reaper I saw the 3 button combo with no positionals and 50% higher potency than Dragoon I said to myself "hang on there's something not right here, how is this fair?" Then I engaged my three brain cells for roughly 2 picoseconds because thats how long it takes to realise that DRG has 2 seperate 5 button combos all the time compared to RPR having to fill its -heat and battery- soul and shroud gauges to get those extra buttons. If even someone like me can figure out how to account for job differences why is it an issue in the first place?
As someone who plays Valorant and understands how hard it is to play against cracked teenagers, ffxiv is called a Boomer game in comparison. Anyone can press buttons in the right order while standing in the right spot. Thats why I pugged this savage tier and I am already done.
This lol, when I hear another "this is savage not Satasha" while as a brand new player flying through I'm gonna lose my shit, just as with the ready checks before every damn pull
Still missing the last one though, but it's rather timeissues I'm having to start to get going with it
It feels like LoL early gold elo in difficulty kek
I've been PLD since praetorium cutscenes were skippable, still playing the best tank as far as I'm concerned.
I play smn now because it better matches what smn is supposed be. Summon is here > summon go Brrr > summon leave. The fact that it gives the player skills related to that summon is just icing.
10:11 "because they listen to the player base so much"
6 YEARS of shitty healers. 6 Y E A R S
Healers are fine. Its players expectations from other MMO healers that don't fit.
but they feel so smooth now
You mean ... 6 years of healers being easy, the exact point of their design decisions?
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80% of the time casting the same spell. If this is fun to you idk what to tell you.
This game went to shit gameplay-wise since HW
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Hot take, nothing in ffxiv is "hard"
Savage raiding, ultimate raiding, any queued content actually. The difficulty is just in making 7 other friends that can also no life with you and you all like each other. It's basically just a rhythm game after that.
Even world first guys and top 1%ers just have friends they spend more time doing that with.
The only thing in this game that makes something more "difficult" is the time it takes to do it. Everything is more of a test of patience rather than sheer skill.
Completing all of eureka/ bozja or getting all Triple Triad cards is "hard" because it takes forever to do.
Completing relic grinds is hard because it takes forever.
Clearing savage is hard because there are a lot of mechanics to remember, which means it takes more time to remember, which makes it harder.
Even solo POTD or HOH is just how much time you are willing to put into it. If you have a clear on it you just spent more time and tested your patience better than people who don't.
Don't get me wrong this is my favorite game ever and I have 419 days clocked on, but the game was made for babies playing advanced Simon or Bop-it.
If you want to play a hard game that people respect you for being good at, go play Chess.
I don't really understand the part where trying to play your job and do savage mechanics at the same time isn't difficult
Ultimates are pretty hard. You need to optimize your job really well and find your way in a raveparty of quite complicated mechanics. Learning complicated dance rotations by heart is pretty hard too, so it is similar to that in difficulty.
Assuming this is all satire because it didn’t mention any of the real job complaints and just stereotypes lol
Thank you for 2:33! As a SMN main I never understood why people said SMN was hard to play before Endwalker. It's always been easy to play, just now in Endwalker our rotation is a lot more smooth and a lot less clunky.
It's always been easy to be mediocre at.*