Koba’s Screen Time - War for the planet of the apes
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- Despite Koba dying off before the events of war, he does make two cameos in the films as a sprit haunting Caesar. He first appears after Caesar accidentally kills Winter, taunting him with the “Ape not kill ape” rule. He later returns to tell Caesar to join him in the afterlife.
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Every time he appears in this film he looks like a Arkham death scene
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Real
The only thing that differentiates Koba from the Joker is the name
... And the species
Real rap actually, I never even about it like that
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The hallucination of koba is far more innocent looking than he ever looked when he was alive. Despite all that koba had done ceazer still felt guity over killing him.
*Caesar
@@thevagabond1314*Ceaser
@@memescoffee3173 Caesar is his name
Cesa as koba says
I thought he looked softer!!!
This is how you bring back an iconic villain that you have killed off in a previous film, along with Killmonger in Black Panther 2, and Green Goblin in the Spider-Man trilogy. Having them showing up in the dreams of the heroes truly shows the long-lasting trauma they have inflicted on the hero and the storyline.
Don't forget Scar from Lion King and Slade from Teen Titans
Or in a video game, Batman Arkham Knight when the Joker returns as a hallucination after his death in Arkham City
Lmao calling anything from black panther iconic is laughable. What a trash movie
@@DD-zh4byIt’s okay bud don’t worry, not all of us have good taste.
It's so eery (in a good way) seeing Koba haunt Caesar from beyond his grave, reminds me of Green Goblin haunting Harry in Spiderman 2
funny how james franco is in both franchises
We actually have Koba to blame for putting every major problem of the trilogy into motion.
The Simian Flu got out because of Koba's small freak-out while taking the 113, which infected Franklin and led to a disastrous domino effect.
Then in Dawn, Koba's inability to forgive humanity for it's crimes against him caused the fighting. And he also attracted the attention of the Colonel and his men, which caused War.
Every problem in these movies is because of Koba freaking out, even if just for a second. Man has a natural talent for screwing everybody over.
EDIT: The fuck is going on in the replies, I can't even scroll past the 20th reply.
I find it interesting how much of the conflict in the saga is caused by humans mistreating and abusing a bonobo, one of the most peaceful apes. I also love how this makes koba the overarching antagonist of the franchise, and in the end he got exactly what he wanted, total dominion over humans, a sort of revenge for what they did to him yet he was neither alive to see it nor aware that he's responsible for it.
@@justthinking650kinda sad that koba is by far the most angry and violent ape in the entire trilogy despite being a bonobo those abusive experiments really messed him up
@@justthinking650Lmao, because of Koba 300 years later humans can't talk and are literally cavemen now. Koba literally destroyed humanity. His ghost is probably smiling like "😈".
@@controlman7490 think maybe that might change, in kingdom it has human named Mae who can talk and she has a mission i believe is try to restore humans back and also makes you thing she can't be the only one, i think many humans went and lived in space and they going to come back
@@waynerooney8311But most humans can't talk anymore. Koba still won.
He was supposed to be alive since the end of Dawn Of The Planet Of the Apes, in the credits you can hear breathing and then the sound of rubble moving indicating that Koba survived the fall.
Yes he did survive the fall
However he likley died sometime in the winter of 2026 but would later Haunt Caesar as a ghost
No he didn't survive. They were thinking of bringing him back but decided it's better that he stays dead. @@PSDavison727
No he died.
@@jamestolbert1856 yeah he later died of his injuries
But not from the tower
Nah I find this as bullshit cause there is no way someone call survive that fall, if King Kong died from a long height from the Empire State Building then Koba would die as well
It’s very interesting seeing the one thing Caesar never wanted haunt him (ape no kill ape). Yet he killed an ape so he lives with that trauma/regret.
The second confrontation has a lot of weight behind it. Caesar is at his lowest point. He is almost dying, he has failed his people, and he has been consumed by hate. So Koba appears to him, to tell him that apes die here. And at this moment, Caesar imagines Koba almost tenderly touching him and telling him to let go. Almost as if he is accepting Koba and that he was right. Caesar tried diplomacy, believed in humans, and where did that lead him and his people. They are at a human prison, many are dead and others are tortured. Koba was right about humans. And even if Koba didn't start the war, once the virus started to mutate, The colonel would have started killing both diseases people, and smart apes. But as always with these movies, everything isn't black and white. The Colonel and his unit are the worst of the worse. There are still people out there, who while not friendly towards apes, still aren't as evil as the Colonel. And some apes are working for the Colonel, so Caesar can't even claim all humans bad, and all apes good. And finally, it's the selfless, almost angelic act from Nova, that restores Caesar's faith in humanity, and while he still accepts the Koba like part of himself, in his final confrontation with the Colonel, he let's go of his hare, and most likely he spent the last few days of his life, free from Koba's ghost.
It also looks a lot like the crucifixion of Jesus, and in this case Koba would be representing the devil, saying that he failed in his mission.
I like how koba isn’t mad at caeser, all he is doing is telling him to die in peace knowing that caeser can’t save all of the apes that are in need. Doing so caeser dies in the end
koba is mad at caser.
Caesar was hallucinating him and haunted by the memory of having to kill him and letting the world get to how it is
@@Controlwomen1232-hj1ewthis is Koba as a hallucination. He’s not actually there, so anything he says or does is gonna be sourced from Caesar’s mind, either his subconscious doubts or his subjective memory of Koba and their relationship.
It’s almost certainly intentional that Koba has such a… tender look in his eyes, and something about his overall appearance seems… idk, cleaner? Less ragged and blemished? Possibly just a product of the improved CGI, but this trilogy has so many layers as it is, I can’t be sure anything is unintentional at this point xD Koba’s words, though obviously horrifying in prospect, really seem to have an undertone of “it’s okay, you did everything you could”.
Given he’s still bleeding from the head, I wonder if it’s all because Caesar wants to remember him more fondly than he knows he should, even imagining his battered, broken corpse as more photogenic than it almost certainly was (homeboy would’ve looked like a hairy accordion when he hit the ground, let’s be real). “We were brothers once” and all that.
@@thatkidwiththehoodieor his ghost
Seeing an iconic villain haunt and traumatize the protagonist is a sight to see 😮
Looking back I think Cesar should've let Koba live so we could see what would happened in war
This reminds me of when rick was seeing shame in his sleep
I swear to God this ape is LITERALLY Scar from the Lion King franchise and I freaking love it! Even when the villain is actually dead and gone, he's never truly forgotten or lost to time because of all his great and terrifying deeds he has ever done that cause nothing but agony and misery through emotional psychological trauma that makes the hero not only to forever remember him but also makes him firmly believe that he's still there in the back of his mind! That SCREAMS nothing but PTSD for not just the hero but also everyone else involved, it happened with Robin, it happened with Simba, it EVEN HAPPENS TO THIS GUY RIGHT NOW JUST HE'S ABOUT TO LOSE EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE HE'S EVER FAGHT FOR! That's just how dark this is
I like how Koba still speaks in broken English while by the time of War Ceaser speaks in full sentences
there’s a theory in part IV that the new villain “Proximus Caesar” is Koba’s descendant
I know
I made a video on that
And I do believe that is the case
Literally zero evidence that any of the apes in 4 are related to any of the previous apes
War showed us that apes worldwide had evolved from the virus so Noa and Proximus could just be decendants of zoo apes for all we know
But to be clear I'd love for Noa to be Caesar's decendant, theres just no evidence of that
Maybe in the 5th movie@@PSDavison727
Okay but like they keep making Bonobos the villains despite the fact that they're the chillest and least aggressive of the great apes. I honestly think it's just because they're black, which is really fucked up.
Unlikely, Koba's a bonobo while proximus looks like any other chimp
@@baldthecodest3295 no they are both bonobos
It’s been confirmed
Caesar = Kong
Koba = Skar King
Is Kobe alive or dead or was that just like a dream or something
Dream
@@baba-zo8cvTYSM that was one of my big questions
Koba was a ghost.
@@joshiezshadow6956that’s what I say
Koba by this time In the trilogy post-Dawn of the Planet of the Apes Is already undoubtedly dead.
He exists only Inside of Caesars mind as a hallucinatory figment of his imagination.
Representing that every passing day the apes are haunted by the violent acts of Koba creating the war between humans and apes, all stemming from his resentment towards humans that also led to his ultimate demise.
Koba was a great character but he IS dead. Only his ideas survived.
Long live koba
If he didn’t die from the fall
He’s definitely dead by the time kingdom rolls around
Koba is dead, but his ideas live on. He was a great character in the Planet of the Apes movies, but his ideas survived. Koba was a brilliant ape who was a brilliant strategist. He knew how to manipulate the other apes to achieve his goals. He was also a brilliant tactician who could defeat the humans in battle. Koba's ideas live on in the hearts and minds of all who knew him. Long live Koba!
@@PSDavison727He died from the fall, since Matt Reeves himself said that the idea of Koba surviving that fall was ridiculous. So they made him live on as a hallucination instead.
He haunted him like Joker haunted Bruce in "Arkham Knight" 😭
Why he haunting Caesar
After Caesar kills winter by accident
Koba taunts him about not killing apes
He later taunts Caesar during a point where Caesar is struggling. He tells him to
Join him in death and to let the other apes die.
@@PSDavison727 So what happen if Koba alive in this movie?
@@BreadCroissantyou slow
@@BreadCroissant Why do your comments look like as if an ape typed it?
@@DrowsyCurry I know i just wondering what would happen if he alive
After watching the new kingdom of the planet of the ape movie, it makes me think:
It actually would be awesome if at one point down the line in a later movie. We get similar scenes to this. But its noa meeting with caesars ghost instead: his ancestor
Did you see the new clips that came out for Kingdom of the planet of the apes
Yes I did
I knew they were still gonna use sign language but that still surprised me
Also Mae is gonna be called Nova now
She has to be connected to Nova from War
Well actually, I speculate thst the spes 300 years now call all female humans nova in honor of the little girl who helped Caesars apes.
@@justcg3018 yeah that’s likley a possibility
I wish you was in more scenes in the third film
One scene that I think would have been cool was when Caesar was going to kill the Colonel, Koba’s ghost could have shown up and tried convincing Caesar to pull the trigger
That would be interesting
@@PSDavison727That would've been awesome. Caesar not pulling the trigger and let's the Colonel commit suicide would've been the final nail in Koba's coffin, proving to Koba that Caesar is no monster like Koba.
@@PSDavison727 Brilliant idea and would work perfectly to show the internal conflict of good and evil, also the rule of three - if you have an occurrence of three times it has a higher impact in the audience's memories
This reminds me of Bruce sees ra's al ghuls ghost in the dark knight rises and the joker from arkham knight
He horrible monster.
0:08 simio no mata a simio
Seee
Koba is the worst.
@@JEAMillennial13 understandable
He did some outright awful things
Like starting a whole War
@@PSDavison727Nope, I don't need to be understood. He did something terrible, like murdering innocent people and a family. it doesn't excuse him to betray his apes.
I thought koba died
He’s a ghost
Toby Kebbell really got forth billing for 50 seconds of screentime and 3 lines lol
Goes to show you just how important Koba is
I always wished a Mature transformers film on which Optimus has visions and Nightmares with Megatron
Had hope the animated one would deliver, then they went for the generic marvel comedy.
Oh well, at least the Planet of the Apes reboot has been consistently good to great.
You can’t hurt Ape anymore.
Am I the only one who’s so fond of the way Koba talks? Like his mouth movements / teeth are so satisfying to look at idk
Koba is perfect in this movie, because he tries to convince Caesar that he was right, that what Colonel did to his family is horrible and because of that he deserves death, however he also reminds Caesar that wrong way he choose to walk...
300 years later, he is reborn as Proximus
He killed Ash. Two face Koba.
The reason why we see him is to show how scared is ceaser is becoming exactly like A selfish vengeful demon who cares nothing more than them self.
*Like him*
Imagine calling him demon lmao
The jump in effects from one to three is insane
Caesar=plungerman
Koba=brown cameraman
This is why I loved this series!❤️
King Kong & King Kong
This has nothing to do with King Kong
Unless your saying that both Caesar and Koba are both kings in their own right
@@PSDavison727 true
Both Kongs
0:26 damn bro, cold asf
I don’t think koba is really dead bc explain kingdom planet of the apes
@@rahflocka6791 that’s what I say
Proximus is likely a descendant of Koba
@@PSDavison727 yeah
@@PSDavison727 yes
When Koba die her now
🥶🐵
Are you a fan of Koba?
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