I once bought my first Apple Watch just for fitness aspects. But like a year ago I started using it on a daily basis for my everyday life and I’m not wearing any other watch at the moment. What I personally like the most from the Apple Watch is the versatility. I am a runner, yes, but I also do other workouts and I am a gym class instructor. So my watch needs to fit into these multipurposes. And I have to say: For me it’s the best running device. Just because of one reason: I can leave my phone at home and don’t have to worry about music or emergencies etc. I simply connect my AirPods to my watch and boom I have my whole music library on my wrist whilst I’m running through the woods. Fantastic BUT I have to say I am not so into all the small little details you named. So for me the data that the Nike running club/the native fitness app collects is enough :) hope this info might help someone who is reading this and isn’t sure if you should buy the watch.
@Rebecca Chen, the Watch no. Even if: you can clean it under water. No problem :) the band you can easily clean with just water and bar soap. But you can easily get multiple watchbands from Amazon/Ali express for really cheap. Yes, it’s not the Apple Original, what means it’s not the same quality. But it’s cheap and easily exchangeable. And not a single watch band I have is dirty or got ever broken. :) I hope this info might help you
I just realised the problem isn’t the difference between these watches, the problem is me! I don’t know whether I’m a runner or an Apple fan boy! Existential crisis!! Great review as always 👍🏻
I have the same problem. I would love to wear my Apple Watch every day but every time I put in on I instantly miss my Garmin Fenix 6. Oh man, lifes tough, I guess.
Interesting overview thanks 👍🏻 I’ve had a series 4 for a good while & normally use Strava app for running & cycling. I also really like listening to music while running via a Bluetooth Shure earbuds... I’m not a competitive runner so the Apple Watch works fine for me.
I got both Apple Watch SE and Garmin Fenix 6s and this is my opinion: if you want the watch to prepare a given running target or a competition you need the Garmin. However, if you need a watch to track your running without too much detail, for instance, keep your shape, fat loose or track your daily calories and so on the Apple Watch is better because it does that plus much more tasks throughout your day as an excellent smarthwatch. It depends how focus our are into running like doing speed series, hills running, etc. With Garmin you can create those workouts. With apple you cannot. I ended up using the Apple Watch cuz I do many more things and battery last my two days. If would need to run and prepare a race I would grab the Garmin cuz it tells you all data and feedback you need to get your running goal.
I completely agree. Garmin is better suited as a dedicated sports watch. The Apple Watch can track sports but also is great for daily life. Thanks for watching!
I am a new runner and am being gifted the Apple watch SE for Christmas. If I was buying something for myself it would not have been my first choice, I would have gone down the Garmin route, so I have found your reviews really interesting. It looks like I will not be rushing out to buy a Garmin now, I will see how I get on the my new Apple SE first. Thank you so much for this. It is also good to see what apps people are recommending to use with it
I have been a Garmin user for the past few years. I just recently purchased an Apple Watch SE. I still use my Garmin VA4 for running, workouts, sleep metrics and to compete in group challenges. The AW is very functional for the rest of my day.
Every Apple Watch user who's seriously into outdoor activities NEEDS to download the WorkOutDoors app, it just turns the watch into a Garming killer. Plus, if you get the cellular version it's just liberating, you've got your entire Music/podcast/audiobooks library, you're reachable and you can even upload your workouts to Strava right from this app. The only departments Garming and others are ahead are buttons (if you prefer that over touch screens) and battery life, but I still haven't had my watch die on me during workouts, my Series 4 (20 months old) still lasts all day on a single charge. I expect the Series 6/SE to be even better with these new chips which are supposed to be more efficient.
Workoutdoors is pretty awesome! There are still reasons why it's still not a "Garmin Killer" in my opinion though. You can't pair external sensors like power meters, or heart rate straps to that app. Also, the battery life is still a bottle neck for super long activities. For casual training though the WorkOutdoors app is great and I really dig the full color touch map! Thanks for watching!
AW5 Battery almost lasts me 2 days, but I put it on the charger every morning while having breakfast & showering. Thats enough & works for me. Use Sleep++ app. I have had Fenix 3, & 3HR. Both had bugs. Too wary then to buy F5 or F6. Had an AW3 & now a AW5. No bugs. just work. I use it with a bluetooth chest strap when training. Recently got a cheap Garmin vivoactive 3 music to see if I liked it. It's ok, but after reading the above messages I've just bought the workoutdoors app for my AW5. No time yet to play with it, but if it's good, I'll flip the Garmin. Great video, and many interesting comments, tips. Thanks everyone.
At 3:50, you can customise what features you see on the workout app if you go through the watch app on your iPhone, scroll down to ‘workout’ and tap ‘workout view’ and choose the workout you want to customise.
Chase the Summit I I did enjoy your review though. I agree with you, if you’re looking for a smart watch first and you’re a runner, the Apple Watch is for you. I feel like I’m in that category.
Totally agree with other comments about Workoutdoors, it changes the watch. Also if you’re running with your phone it uses the gps from that. I love that I still get all day gps tracking while hiking using that feature. It’s not as accurate but I really only need great accuracy when I don’t have my phone and I’m pushing my pace on a run.
@@dwahnsinn Stryd has their own app. Also iSmoothRun is compatible to power metrics from Stryd, but not compatible to structured workouts from the Stryd app.
Great video! I use my SE for riding, and it suits my needs perfectly. It was good to see somebody's honest opinion on a different usage of the watch. Got the thumbs up :D Stay safe outdoors!
TheRem484 in the Strava iPhone app. You go to your profile -> settings gear -> applications, services and devices -> health and Apple Watch. You then have to manually import the work outs into Strava afterward but you can essentially set it up to notify you.
WorkOutDoors has literally been the app that convinced me to use my AW 4 Stainless Steel for everything now, instead of my old Fenix 6. The developer is actually super cool too, and he's open to letting nerds like us beta test for him! Amazing smartwatch, does everything I need it to. Yes, it's not all contained in one main place, and you need to install separate apps and then use HealthFit or RunGap to get your data to a good place (I still use Garmin Connect and just sync over everything using RunGap, which also syncs to Strava), but it's so feature-rich for a price that is cheaper than the F6. Good video, Dave, keep it up.
"Old Fenix 6" makes me feel sad. I've heard a lot of good things about WorkOutDoors I'll definitely be checking it out! Thanks for the tip! I guess I just wish all of these features were baked into the product rather than requiring third party developers to make it work. Thanks for watching!
I decided to keep my series 5 after confusing to move to a forunner. But a friend suggest workoutdoors. Best running app vs super cool developer like you said.
I’ve had it for a few days, The only part is that you can’t manually lock it which should be a feature. Sometimes it will auto open apps and stuff. But the best part is if you’re trying to wake up for work or something and you have an alarm set on your phone. If you’re wearing your watch it will vibrate so you will wake up instantly
Have you tried the water lock out icon? That will lock the screen! The alarms are nice but I find I can't sleep with mine due to needing to charge it nightly. Thanks for watching!
Thank you dude. I left Fenix 5 behind and moved to Apple Watch SE. I´m runner first. I´m not really missing all the information collected by the garmin, as I don´t care about ground contact time, vertical oscillation, ... at the end of the day these information is not going to change what I´m doing, just running. Still I´m finding very interesting having connection to the network without carrying my phone. THis is specially interesting to me as I´m also windsurfer, so being able to call for emergency from the water is a great feature. I know I can carry a phone with me, but having in your wrist is a plus.
@@ChaseTheSummit no way, thank for your valuable contribution, I found it very useful! I also found the app work outdoors recommendable for AW, it adds possibility of planning training sessions (intervals, farlek...). Once again thank you pal
As active duty military I run a lot so music is a MUST! I hate carrying my phone while running. And I’m not a techie so the complexities of the Garmins appear off putting. FOR ME so far looks like the apple watch SE is the best pick. It’s main downside is battery.
Great in depth review. The Apple Watch might record sleep data if it is not being recharged. Heard that the version 7 can be charged more quickly than the SE allowing to record sleep data if you recharge it before going to bed. 80% in 10mn. Sleep data helps to calculate training load and evaluate if you need to rest and might be overreaching. I prefer to have a good multipurpose App than having to load a bunch to achieve the same and having to deal with exchanging data via Apple health. For that reason I’ll stick to dedicated sport watches like Garmin or Polar that have greater battery life and provide excellent metrics and tracking abilities straight out of the box. Keep up the good reviews
I run regularly with an Apple Watch user & I’ve never thought I’d rather have one than a Garmin. I still think that BUT the GPS data on this review & others does look super accurate!. I’m sticking with Garmin though. Touch screens & sweat aren’t a good mix. Plus all the other metrics in Garmin Connect are really good.
The touch screen on the AW is really nice but it's super frustrating if you're sweaty, wearing gloves, or in the rain. Can't beat good old fashioned buttons! I also agree that Garmin Connect is MUCH more powerful in terms of training tools. Thanks for watching!
You can click the crown and power button to pause workout and avoid the screen to end a run. Also 3x tap screen for intervals. Not perfect but better than nothing.
Hi Chase the summit! Thanks for the video! When I bought my first SmartWatch (my current series 5) I did it looking for fitness insight. However, after nearly a year of use it leaves me with a disappointing feeling, because when it comes to sports it doesn’t give you enough information, stats.... it so basic. It is true that it gives me more in terms of smartwatch stuff but for me that is not necessary. As long as it tells me when someone calls me or text me.... for the rest I always end up taking the phone which I always have with me. I think Garmin will give me so much information for all my runs, rides, hikes, skiing days, sleep, fitness status... and I won’t have to worry about battery!!! Having to charge the Apple Watch everyday it is so annoying, not to mention the impossibility to go for a long day into the mountains without failing to record your entire hike or being worry about it!
I totally agree. the AW is great in some aspects but for dedicated sports tracking Garmin/Suunto/Coros/Polar devices are so much more reliable and full featured. Thanks for watching!
Chase the Summit ...spoiler alert! I’ve made up my mind, I am getting rid of my AW and amazon is bringing me a Garmin fénix 6 pro tomorrow. It hasn’t been easy to make the decision between all those brands but I hope Garmin doesn’t leave me the same disappointing feeling as the AW.
Well crap I've been running with an Apple Watch for a few years now. You just showed me something that I did not know. I love it I changed all the settings and now I like it a lot better when I use the Apple Watch running.
Great vid Dave! Just got an SE to try it out. Generally use a Fenix 6 for long distance triathlon stuff. SE is never going to replace the Garmin but its a really useful addition. I’m finding it useful for controlling music, sending texts while running......Siri works great! So great as a second device and its a proper smart watch, so can do loads of stuff that the Garmin can’t which is cool
For sure. It's a nice companion to a dedicated sports watch and it's great for shorter runs on the road. My only issues with the AWSE is the battery life. Aside from that it's a really great daily wear watch. Thanks for watching!
My main reason for using an apple watch as my main fitness tracker is the heart rate accuracy (Apple Watch S6) absolutely bang on with my HRM Pro/F6 combo. It even handles weightlifting super well.
I love apple products, but when I got my garmin I switched to android and have never looked back. So thank you garmin for opening my eyes up to what's really available out there. Garmin/ android for president!!!!
Very helpful Review Thank you. Used to use Runkeeper - now use Strava with the Apple 3. Even though I charge it nightly the battery is dying super fast (at mile 5 today - 1 hour)! I've seen info stating Apple is only supporting this version thru end of 2021 - so I'll need a new watch soon since I'm training for a Marathon.
Thanks for the video! I'm a casual runner (I'm 22 and I've been running for about 5 years), but I've never had a fitness watch before. I did some research and the ones I most identify with are AW 6 / SE and Garmin Venu/Sq. I don't run exclusively, I also do yoga and functional training. However, I am interested in evolving in the race and I liked the “Garmin Coach” feature. What do you recommend? If relevant, I also have an iPhone
Both will do the job. The Garmin Venu SQ seems really awesome at its price and has much better battery life than the AW. However, the AW is much "smarter" and more integrated with the Apple Ecosystem. If you want to download additional apps and stuff that might matter for you. Personally I'd go Garmin for fitness, Apple for everything else.
@@ChaseTheSummit Is the lack of altimeter a problem for runners (not pro) ? Do you know if it can be use the iPhone altimeter if I carry it with me? I like this one because of the size, I have a small wrist and the regular Venu seems to be really big for me. As I said my other option would be AW6 SE but smartwatch features are not my priority, I care more about health and fitness stuff
Great comparison. I been using a polar m600 for awhile to track my cycling then I got hook on Wahoo’s stuff. Then I won garmin Fenix 5 in a raffle. I think if you are looking start getting In shape an Apple Watch will do the job, but if your seriously training for events a dedicated sports like a garmin, polar watch or a wahoo is going to suit you better.
Awesome video. Was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. I used to use the Apple Watch 3 and the Nike running app. I liked it but I love my garmin forerunner 55. Thinking about getting a Cellular SE (second gen) that way I can leave my phone behind while running, walking, at work, etc. but not sure since I love my garmin so much.
Great review, it got me subscribed anyway 😉 I’ve been running with Apple Watches for years mainly because of all the other smartwatch features you get as a ‘bonus’. One thing that is still bothering me though is that when I run with my athletics group, I always seem to run about 5% less distance then Garmin owners, when we all upload to Strava. And also Strava vs. Runkeeper vs. WorkOutDoors always have strange variations in running time, distance and average pace/speed.
Like he said, the Apple Watch GPS seems to work more accurate, a few meters will add up... Got the same problem with Garmin Edge and Strava iPhone App. I can tell you, riding my bicycle in the forrest, my Garmin is playing crazy. So I guess Apple is doing a got job here.
Thank you for taking the time to create this video. I've been a Garmin wearer for years and have just purchased an Apple SE (my wife actually got it for me). I was going to do exactly what you did - wear both and compare data - and you doing so saved me the time in crunching the numbers. What you say here makes sense to me knowing the Garmin and it looks like I'll be holding onto my 235 for my running.
Amazing review exactly the fitness approach I was looking for. However, this is the first one where GPS and heart rate accuracy was not slightly below par.
Yeah, my GPS accuracy has been pretty decent from the AWSE so far. The HR data is hit or miss like I said in the video. There are occasional spikes and drops compared to my Garmins. Thank you for watching!
You got a new subscriber brother. We need more TH-camrs using mainstream tech in specialized scenarios. Because most of the specialized tech is super expensive.
I have just purchased this watch nike version and I am totally amazed, never thought id say it but its better than a garmin forerunner for the price !!
@@ChaseTheSummit I am actually in shock myself ha. Also another off put from a Garmin stand point is I have an iPhone phone 11 and Garmin Connect just does not like iOS14. Keep up the great videos !!
You can change the display on the running app you have to go into the watch app on your iPhone, then Workout, then workout view. You can change it all in there for each individual exercise type.
Thanks for this Video! Definitely some interesting thoughts about the Apple Watch. I am still not sure, which watch i should get. Just because i love to hear music/podcasts while running and i am an iphone user..
Thanks for watching! The Apple Watch is pretty awesome for the right person. If you don't mind charging daily I'd say it's a good companion to an Iphone!
I have an Apple Watch series 3 ( had some loyalty program points to use so just paid for shipping), and I more or less use it as an activity tracker . Whilst it is fairly accurate. It has one massive Achilles heel, pretty much the same one subsequent versions have, battery life, at current activity levels I get approximately 2 days use ( I don't sleep with it on). For running outdoors I prefer to use my Sunto Ambit 2 although I have had to jerry rig the Watch bands because of them breaking over time ( Ambit 2 has great battery life). If I can swing the cash I would replace applewatch and theambit with a Garmin Instinct Solar or Fenix 6 pro.
Yeah the battery life is the big limiting factor unfortunately. Apple Watch makes a nice companion to a dedicated sports watch like a Garmin. Thanks for watching!
Hmm I swear you can change the data fields on the phone 🤔 i haven't owned an Apple watch in a while tho.. And yes healthFit app is fantastic and is worth every cent!!
Turns out you can. I guess I didn't try hard enough! However, the fields are still pretty limiting compared to the endless list I get with Garmin. The AW is certainly a cool device but I don't think it can replace my Forerunners or Fenix in terms of being a dedicated running watch. I do love wearing it day-to-day though. Thanks for watching
Very good review, thanks for sharing!! I noticed when you were showing the HR data that it looks like the apple watch takes fewer data points than your garmin watches. Looks like it might not be a great tool for doing intervals or something with fast changing data based on the seemingly fewer data points. As a long time Suunto GPS tester, I have a few tips for you for future reviews: 1) Try not to do out and back routes. It is very hard to see how accurate the GPS tracks are compared to your actual path when you are looking at 2 sets of tracks stacked on each other (from an out and back) 2) Try to incorporate routes that have a decent number of sharp turns or curves, so you can see how it tracks in comparison to easy straight line and "gentle curve" running 3) When comparing GPS devices, wear as many as you can on the same arm. All GPS devices have some sort of sideways offset, so wearing the watches on different arms is a less accurate method of comparing; especially when comparing overall total distance and GPS track accuracy. I can wear up to 3 watches on one arm by doing the following: wear one watch on my wrist, wear another on my forearm, and a 3rd wrapped around my hand. Also make sure that the watches are spaced by about 1-2" so the GPS antenna don't interfere with each other -- a buff or wristband Hopefully a few of these tips might be useful, I have learned many different things to watch out for in 5 years of GPS device testing. Keep up the great vids, and happy trail running!
Thanks for the feedback. I actually prefer out and back tracks for analyzing data as it gives you a better idea of how the GPS is tracking on a single device since map data won't be 100% perfect. Theoretically the tracks should be right on top of each other if you're on the same side of the road/trail. Thanks for watching!
I am late to the party but you can customize the base running app metrics, it only shows 5 but there are different options to choose from in the apple watch app. Also, you can directly export data to Strava and other apps as long as you approve the data transfer. I have more info if you are interested. Thanks, love your content!
Yeah for sure! I figured this out eventually but I still don't love the stock app. The Workoutdoors app and iSmoothRun have been really awesome though! Thanks for watching!
Going to be upgrading to the series 6 soon but I’ve been rocking the series 3 for a while now and love it. I ran both the LA Marathon and the born to run ultra marathon wearing it. I definitely cut it close on the 50 K using the GPS the whole time. Only had about 10% battery left and was worried I wasn’t gonna make it but thankfully did. But yeah, been using Strava on it forever and freaking love it.
You can indeed customize the running view or pretty much for all worksouts. For this you need to use the watch app on the phone, you can’t configure it directly on the watch
I ended up figuring that out! I knew I'd get something wrong in this video... DOH! It kinda stinks that you can't do it on the watch itself though. What if I left my phone at home? Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the review. I got AW s6 gps version last Friday and thinking to get a Garmin FR 745. For music on AW, I have to keep a copy on my phone and my phone doesn’t have much space left. Aw has lots of features I don’t need. prefer to have a device dedicated to sports and HR tracking.
I tend to agree. Having a Garmin, Coros, Polar, Suunto, etc... just feels more relaible since it's "off-line" and isn't depending on your phone. I like the apple watch but I feel like it's not the right tool for me for running. Thanks for watching!
For those interested: I had an apple watch 2 and it stoped working after I went for an outdoor run because I think sweat entered the side scrolling button. The series 2 may not be the best model for running. just for comparison!
Not really on a plan right now. I just try to get out when I can and on the treadmill when I can't. When I'm training for an actual race I'll be a bit more structured. Thanks for watching!
I assume I can just sync a bluetooth chest strap HRM to the Apple watch, correct? Looking into one of these instead of a Garmin 245 Music because I could use the Apple watch with my existing Apple music subscription, whereas for the Garmin I'd have to get a separate Spotify subscription. For battery life, I could just turn it off between runs, as I wouldn't need it anyway.
How does the connectivity of GPS vs GPS + Cellular affect the use of fitness tracking apps? I am especially interested in Strava. Could I still use it without the Cellular service? I am so tired of carrying my phone to track my workouts.
You can still track your workouts without a cellular connection (even without your phone on you). The activities basically sync once you're done and have a connection to your phone.
For multi functional purpose would an AW be a good pick up? I don't want to drag my phone with me, and just run with my watch while also being able to listen to music. As for the Garmin watch the 255 is the most budget friendly but still 160 euro more than the AWSE. I only intend to use AW for fitness/running, but I want to listen to music while running through BT.
I can’t seem to get the audio cues on my AirPods from the workout app. Anyone have a fix for it? I connect my watch to my phone and listen to music on Spotify as well
Hi, thanks very much for your review which popped up as the first choice when looking for a SE review. I'm a Garmin FR 235 user and was looking for non running device, but the SE following your review is a now serious consideration. Also thanks to your followers who have suggested other apps, I'll give them ago. Given I'm 60+ all of the metrics I used to use on my 235 when I competed before injury in 2016 are not that relevant as I just run for the hell of it and get outside in to the Trails. Best wishes. :-)
Hey, epic video, only thing I was curious how much battery you used on all these devices when on the same run ? I've got one and it seems to use almost 30-40% battery on just a small 5km run with music. Does your garmin do the same? might swap. Thanks!
Depends on which Garmin you’re using. Something like the Fenix 6 or Forerunner 945 will last up to 10 hours while using music + GPS or 35 hours with GPS only. Music is a battery hog unfortunately!
Longtime Apple user here but not anymore. The Apple watch is ok if your in Apple's garden. If your not, well thats a different story. With Garmin you're platform independent which is a great thing.
You can change the data fields in the watch app, there is more possibilities and relevant data like cadence. Great video, keep up your good work! I've been using the AW4 for about a year and a half and I'm seriously thinking switching for a Forerunner 745. AW is a great smartwatch with decent fitness features. I want to opposite, a great fitness tracker with some smartwatch features like music and notifications.
I knew there must be a way! I did figure it out but the data fields still seem pretty limiting. I suppose I'm spoiled by the endless list Garmin gives us! I really enjoy using the AW as a daily smartwatch but I still prefer a dedicated device like the Forerunner or Fenix for running. There's something that feels more reliable about an off-line watch that doesn't need your phone at all to get the job done. Thanks for watching!
@chasethesummit - if you go on the Apple Watch app on your iPhone, scroll down to Workouts, workout view; you can change the data. Eg. Instead of Rolling pace you can have avg cadence etc. hope this helps!
Great video again. I am an average runner/walker and you would expect me to prefer the Apple Watches but ....no... the battery life is abysmal and there is so much information on the watch that it feels like you can put your phone down and continue reading email etc on your phone. There is never a break. With the Garmin forerunner 945 or Fenix 6 on my wrist I feel that it will be a sacrilege not to take it out for a run :-) By the way imagine how many apple watches you need to do an ultramarathon!!! Thank you again.
Ha! Yeah I'd probably need 4 or 5 apple watches to get through a 100 miler! The 945 and Fenix 6 are certainly powerful tools and equally as powerful motivators when they're staring at you from your wrist! Thanks for watching!
I’ve got two Apple watches, but don’t use either of them now. I use my Fenix 6X for all my activities. My biggest bugbear with Apple was that I couldn’t use my watch to navigate when I was unsure of my whereabouts = I travel a lot and often want to run in unfamiliar territory and the agar in excels in this area..
I think the Apple watch is a better smartwatch along with the sport features, than the Garmins are along with the smart features. If you this makes sense. So I guess the Apple Watch covers a wider spectrum or let's say a little bit of everything however the 1.5-day battery is unforgivable. I'll probably upgrade to a FR945 from my Polar Vantage M this autumn time.
I actually figured this out shortly after filming this video. DOH! I knew I'd make a mistake. Still... the app is pretty limiting. Thanks for watching!
This may seem like a stupid question, but for the gps model (not gps+cellular) you can use the standard running app and other running apps on your Apple Watch without your phone, right?
I consider myself less knowledgeable than an average person. So, thanks for all your inputs. 🙏 I don’t own an Apple or a Garmin Watch, but now I am thinking about getting either one of those. Just one quick question, please. When someone purchases an Apple Watch, isn’t it the intention of the typical user to install running app in it, instead of taking an Apple Watch as it is? I heard a good running app costs a few bucks a month which will quickly add up. 🤷🏼♂️
The Apple Watch has a built in workout app and of course you can download several other free offerings like Nike Run Club or Strava. The best app I've found so far is called "Workoutdoors" and it's only $6 bucks... one time, no monthly fee. Hope that helps!
Albino Shrimp babies it’s actually the same hardware. You can download the Nike app on any Apple Watch. The only thing you get with the Nike version is apps pre installed, a special band, and some branding.
I've bought an polar vantage V and I was not happy with it. My bpm was not right... So i've send it back to the shop where i bought it and now i'm considering to buy the apple watch SE. I run 30k in a week and gps and hart rate are important to me. Which watch do u recommend? PS love ur vids!!
The Apple Watch SE might suit your needs. The only bummer is that it basically needs to be charged daily. If you're primarily a road runner the Coros Pace 2 or the Garmin Forerunner 245 are also good choices! Hope that helps!
Hey Dave...thanks for the review. Apple watch clearly a dope smartwatch but, as you say, for the more serious end of the running spectrum it's pretty lacking.
I guess I'm just stuck in my old ways with Garmin-type fitness devices. The AW certainly has potential. I just wish a lot of the features were baked in rather than requiring additional apps. Thanks for watching!
Yes WorkOutDoors is best for a running app ! I use HealthFit too ! I found : Strava Nike running app Not so good :( I either use WorkOutDoors or the normal apple workout app. I have been running with apple watches since series 1. I have loved every year it gets better, I run 5KM with Music and my watch is on like 91% which is brilliant ! I have used: Apple Watch : Series 1 Series 3 Series 4 Series 5 Series 6 Garmin: Vivoactive 3 music HUAWEI : HUAWEI watch GT I still came back to my Apple Watch ! I love it in every way even though the battery can sometimes be a pain.
Interesting review, thanks. I've just come to the conclusion that after changing from Garmin to Polar Ignite for better HRM (much better), the GPS from my iPhone 11 Pro is way ahead of either. Tracking is perfect on the phone, both Garmin and Polar go off by significant amounts. You weren't clear on whether your phone was off when testing the AW or whether it was using the phone GPS (sorry if I missed it and you did say)? I'm now keeping phone in pocket and using Strava though still have Polar for HRM. The lack of accuracy on GPS from Polar put me 200m out on distance the other day on 5k - that's a full minute. Checked the phone, it was perfect, checked the map, the phone distance was perfect. Interesting tech around at the moment! Thanks.
That's interesting that your phone accuracy is better than your watch. I've found that the apple Iphone 12 pro "smooths" out my GPS tracks so that they look pretty but aren't quite as accurate. Yes in this video I was using the AW GPS chip and not my phone. Thanks for watching!
Hey, I found that the garmin vivoactive was not quite precise in term of milage. I was thinking about changing to apple watch because I use apple in all other devices. Is the forerunner better in terms of precision and batterie than the vivoactive ? Thanks great video!
Interesting. I'm finding the display on my Forerunner 245 increasingly hard to read. A larger screen and better contrast would help I think. I may look into the Apple watches.
The retina display on the Apple Watch is certainly vibrant and easy to read especially using an app like iSmoothRun or WorkOutDoors! The "not always on" display takes some adjusting though. I like that the 245 never turns off or dims. Thanks for watching.
I do a lot of run/walk on my recovery runs to keep my HR low. Apple watch doesn't provide intervals customization. Also not a fan of touch screen for my running watches.
Very nice review Dave. I don't have an AW (yet). But, can you use Polar Beats on the AW just using the built in OHR? Or, can you only connect to Beats with A Polar HR strap?
I just tried it and it seems like you can't use the OHR in Polar Beat which is kind of odd. Maybe Polar doesn't trust the data coming from the Apple Watch. That's too bad though it would be cool if you could swap between something like a Grit X for more serious runs and use the AW for casual runs while still syncing to Polar Flow.
Chase the Summit That is odd. Well, thanks for trying Dave. You could probably connect to the phone app with something like the Polar OH-1, but that is not as convenient as using the included OHR!
Help anyone. I really need to ask you something. I love garmin watches, but the wife wants to match... anyway.. I really like that the interval training on my Garmin, I run for one-minute rest 30 seconds. can i do this on the SE? Im sure there is an app for this on the apple watch. anyone can answer.
I have been using the Apple Watch 5 for 6 months now and I have to say that the default app isn't enough. You need the iSmoothrun or something else. I got used to iSmoothrun more than the other competitor's apps. The app allows me to program my training and also gives me more data. I'm actually now looking into getting a Garmin Fenix 6 or a 945 (I'm still deciding and that is why I got into your channel, thanks BTW). My decision of getting a dedicated watch for running, cycling, and swimming, is that the Apple Watch GPS seems inaccurate. But it may be me again not choosing the right settings on the app iSmoothrun as they recommend you use the watch data only when selecting on the start screen.
@@ChaseTheSummit You are right, I got to know this app after checking the comments here and looks like its better than the iSmoothrun I was using. I will give it a shot.
I once bought my first Apple Watch just for fitness aspects. But like a year ago I started using it on a daily basis for my everyday life and I’m not wearing any other watch at the moment.
What I personally like the most from the Apple Watch is the versatility. I am a runner, yes, but I also do other workouts and I am a gym class instructor. So my watch needs to fit into these multipurposes. And I have to say:
For me it’s the best running device. Just because of one reason: I can leave my phone at home and don’t have to worry about music or emergencies etc. I simply connect my AirPods to my watch and boom I have my whole music library on my wrist whilst I’m running through the woods. Fantastic
BUT I have to say I am not so into all the small little details you named. So for me the data that the Nike running club/the native fitness app collects is enough :) hope this info might help someone who is reading this and isn’t sure if you should buy the watch.
Sounds like you found the right tool for your needs! Thanks for watching!
Do you find that the apple watch itself and the strap could get dirty from sweat, debris, dirt if you workout/run with it on your wrist daily?
@Rebecca Chen, the Watch no. Even if: you can clean it under water. No problem :) the band you can easily clean with just water and bar soap. But you can easily get multiple watchbands from Amazon/Ali express for really cheap. Yes, it’s not the Apple Original, what means it’s not the same quality. But it’s cheap and easily exchangeable. And not a single watch band I have is dirty or got ever broken. :) I hope this info might help you
I just realised the problem isn’t the difference between these watches, the problem is me! I don’t know whether I’m a runner or an Apple fan boy! Existential crisis!! Great review as always 👍🏻
Haha! I feel the same way. I'm a tech nerd but I'm also a runner. Finding one watch to rule them all is difficult!
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I have the same problem. I would love to wear my Apple Watch every day but every time I put in on I instantly miss my Garmin Fenix 6. Oh man, lifes tough, I guess.
@@quest666PL troubles of first world jaja
Great review, it's important to note that in this case, the apple watch is a lot cheaper, so it's good deal (Garmin user here)
Very true! Thanks for watching!
Interesting overview thanks 👍🏻 I’ve had a series 4 for a good while & normally use Strava app for running & cycling. I also really like listening to music while running via a Bluetooth Shure earbuds... I’m not a competitive runner so the Apple Watch works fine for me.
It definitely does the job and is super easy to use. Thanks for watching!
I got both Apple Watch SE and Garmin Fenix 6s and this is my opinion: if you want the watch to prepare a given running target or a competition you need the Garmin. However, if you need a watch to track your running without too much detail, for instance, keep your shape, fat loose or track your daily calories and so on the Apple Watch is better because it does that plus much more tasks throughout your day as an excellent smarthwatch. It depends how focus our are into running like doing speed series, hills running, etc. With Garmin you can create those workouts. With apple you cannot. I ended up using the Apple Watch cuz I do many more things and battery last my two days. If would need to run and prepare a race I would grab the Garmin cuz it tells you all data and feedback you need to get your running goal.
I completely agree. Garmin is better suited as a dedicated sports watch. The Apple Watch can track sports but also is great for daily life. Thanks for watching!
I am a new runner and am being gifted the Apple watch SE for Christmas. If I was buying something for myself it would not have been my first choice, I would have gone down the Garmin route, so I have found your reviews really interesting. It looks like I will not be rushing out to buy a Garmin now, I will see how I get on the my new Apple SE first. Thank you so much for this. It is also good to see what apps people are recommending to use with it
Nice! The SE is a great watch for fitness and day to day life. Check out the "work outdoors" app. I've really been enjoying it!
You can actually add more options from the iPhone for the workout apps also you can add objectives like average pace or rolling pace. Cool video!
I ended up noticing this after I posted the video. Doh! Thanks for watching!
I have been a Garmin user for the past few years. I just recently purchased an Apple Watch SE. I still use my Garmin VA4 for running, workouts, sleep metrics and to compete in group challenges. The AW is very functional for the rest of my day.
Thanks for sharing.
Every Apple Watch user who's seriously into outdoor activities NEEDS to download the WorkOutDoors app, it just turns the watch into a Garming killer. Plus, if you get the cellular version it's just liberating, you've got your entire Music/podcast/audiobooks library, you're reachable and you can even upload your workouts to Strava right from this app. The only departments Garming and others are ahead are buttons (if you prefer that over touch screens) and battery life, but I still haven't had my watch die on me during workouts, my Series 4 (20 months old) still lasts all day on a single charge. I expect the Series 6/SE to be even better with these new chips which are supposed to be more efficient.
Workoutdoors is pretty awesome! There are still reasons why it's still not a "Garmin Killer" in my opinion though. You can't pair external sensors like power meters, or heart rate straps to that app. Also, the battery life is still a bottle neck for super long activities. For casual training though the WorkOutdoors app is great and I really dig the full color touch map! Thanks for watching!
Apple sucks compared to Garmin for running. Garmin is the Apple killer for running
AW5 Battery almost lasts me 2 days, but I put it on the charger every morning while having breakfast & showering. Thats enough & works for me. Use Sleep++ app.
I have had Fenix 3, & 3HR. Both had bugs. Too wary then to buy F5 or F6.
Had an AW3 & now a AW5. No bugs. just work. I use it with a bluetooth chest strap when training.
Recently got a cheap Garmin vivoactive 3 music to see if I liked it. It's ok,
but after reading the above messages I've just bought the workoutdoors app for my AW5.
No time yet to play with it, but if it's good, I'll flip the Garmin.
Great video, and many interesting comments, tips. Thanks everyone.
At 3:50, you can customise what features you see on the workout app if you go through the watch app on your iPhone, scroll down to ‘workout’ and tap ‘workout view’ and choose the workout you want to customise.
EpicEarthGaming YT thanks! I eventually figured this out. I wish it was available on the watch itself! Thanks for watching!
You can go to the Apple Watch app and under workout you can customize what’s displayed when running like calories, current pace, distance etc.
I actually did notice this after I posted the video... Doh! My mistake however it is still pretty limited. Thanks for watching!
Chase the Summit I I did enjoy your review though. I agree with you, if you’re looking for a smart watch first and you’re a runner, the Apple Watch is for you. I feel like I’m in that category.
I just started my running journey and the SE has been great for a beginner runner like me. I also like that it can track other kinds of activities.
Totally agree with other comments about Workoutdoors, it changes the watch. Also if you’re running with your phone it uses the gps from that. I love that I still get all day gps tracking while hiking using that feature. It’s not as accurate but I really only need great accuracy when I don’t have my phone and I’m pushing my pace on a run.
I've heard good things! I'll check it out!
Using Apple Watch series 4 with Stryd, and I absolutely love it🏃💨
Awesome!
With which app do you use the stryd ?
@@dwahnsinn Stryd has their own app. Also iSmoothRun is compatible to power metrics from Stryd, but not compatible to structured workouts from the Stryd app.
Great video! I use my SE for riding, and it suits my needs perfectly. It was good to see somebody's honest opinion on a different usage of the watch. Got the thumbs up :D Stay safe outdoors!
Thanks! Glad to hear you're enjoying the SE!
RunGap is a great app for interfacing to Garmin Connect, Training Peaks and other services
Thanks for sharing
I’m just using the workout app from Apple for running, cycling, swimming and snyc the data to strava. its enough for me.
They sure do make it easy! I guess I just miss the customization. Thanks for watching!
How do you sync your data to strava?
TheRem484 in the Strava iPhone app. You go to your profile -> settings gear -> applications, services and devices -> health and Apple Watch. You then have to manually import the work outs into Strava afterward but you can essentially set it up to notify you.
@@DesertTriDad Wow! Thanks mate
WorkOutDoors has literally been the app that convinced me to use my AW 4 Stainless Steel for everything now, instead of my old Fenix 6. The developer is actually super cool too, and he's open to letting nerds like us beta test for him!
Amazing smartwatch, does everything I need it to. Yes, it's not all contained in one main place, and you need to install separate apps and then use HealthFit or RunGap to get your data to a good place (I still use Garmin Connect and just sync over everything using RunGap, which also syncs to Strava), but it's so feature-rich for a price that is cheaper than the F6. Good video, Dave, keep it up.
"Old Fenix 6" makes me feel sad. I've heard a lot of good things about WorkOutDoors I'll definitely be checking it out! Thanks for the tip! I guess I just wish all of these features were baked into the product rather than requiring third party developers to make it work. Thanks for watching!
I decided to keep my series 5 after confusing to move to a forunner. But a friend suggest workoutdoors. Best running app vs super cool developer like you said.
Man, love your videos! So interesting and go in depth at exactly the things that matter to me 🙌🏻 keep it going!
That means a lot! Thanks!
I’ve had it for a few days, The only part is that you can’t manually lock it which should be a feature. Sometimes it will auto open apps and stuff. But the best part is if you’re trying to wake up for work or something and you have an alarm set on your phone. If you’re wearing your watch it will vibrate so you will wake up instantly
Have you tried the water lock out icon? That will lock the screen! The alarms are nice but I find I can't sleep with mine due to needing to charge it nightly. Thanks for watching!
Workoutdoors changes the Apple Watch SE for the best, really love this app !!!
This video was very helpful. Thank you for this review, its exactly what I needed to know!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you dude. I left Fenix 5 behind and moved to Apple Watch SE. I´m runner first. I´m not really missing all the information collected by the garmin, as I don´t care about ground contact time, vertical oscillation, ... at the end of the day these information is not going to change what I´m doing, just running. Still I´m finding very interesting having connection to the network without carrying my phone. THis is specially interesting to me as I´m also windsurfer, so being able to call for emergency from the water is a great feature. I know I can carry a phone with me, but having in your wrist is a plus.
The cellular version is really nice in that way. Always having a way to call for help without lugging around a phone! Thanks for watching.
@@ChaseTheSummit no way, thank for your valuable contribution, I found it very useful! I also found the app work outdoors recommendable for AW, it adds possibility of planning training sessions (intervals, farlek...). Once again thank you pal
As active duty military I run a lot so music is a MUST!
I hate carrying my phone while running.
And I’m not a techie so the complexities of the Garmins appear off putting.
FOR ME so far looks like the apple watch SE is the best pick. It’s main downside is battery.
Thanks for sharing!
Great in depth review. The Apple Watch might record sleep data if it is not being recharged. Heard that the version 7 can be charged more quickly than the SE allowing to record sleep data if you recharge it before going to bed. 80% in 10mn. Sleep data helps to calculate training load and evaluate if you need to rest and might be overreaching. I prefer to have a good multipurpose App than having to load a bunch to achieve the same and having to deal with exchanging data via Apple health. For that reason I’ll stick to dedicated sport watches like Garmin or Polar that have greater battery life and provide excellent metrics and tracking abilities straight out of the box. Keep up the good reviews
I run regularly with an Apple Watch user & I’ve never thought I’d rather have one than a Garmin. I still think that BUT the GPS data on this review & others does look super accurate!. I’m sticking with Garmin though. Touch screens & sweat aren’t a good mix. Plus all the other metrics in Garmin Connect are really good.
The touch screen on the AW is really nice but it's super frustrating if you're sweaty, wearing gloves, or in the rain. Can't beat good old fashioned buttons! I also agree that Garmin Connect is MUCH more powerful in terms of training tools. Thanks for watching!
You can click the crown and power button to pause workout and avoid the screen to end a run. Also 3x tap screen for intervals. Not perfect but better than nothing.
Congratulations on the video!! I was not able to find a comparison between the Garmin 745 and SE anywhere!!! Great job!!
Thanks. Glad you found it helpful!
Hi Chase the summit! Thanks for the video!
When I bought my first SmartWatch (my current series 5) I did it looking for fitness insight. However, after nearly a year of use it leaves me with a disappointing feeling, because when it comes to sports it doesn’t give you enough information, stats.... it so basic. It is true that it gives me more in terms of smartwatch stuff but for me that is not necessary. As long as it tells me when someone calls me or text me.... for the rest I always end up taking the phone which I always have with me.
I think Garmin will give me so much information for all my runs, rides, hikes, skiing days, sleep, fitness status... and I won’t have to worry about battery!!! Having to charge the Apple Watch everyday it is so annoying, not to mention the impossibility to go for a long day into the mountains without failing to record your entire hike or being worry about it!
I totally agree. the AW is great in some aspects but for dedicated sports tracking Garmin/Suunto/Coros/Polar devices are so much more reliable and full featured. Thanks for watching!
Chase the Summit ...spoiler alert! I’ve made up my mind, I am getting rid of my AW and amazon is bringing me a Garmin fénix 6 pro tomorrow. It hasn’t been easy to make the decision between all those brands but I hope Garmin doesn’t leave me the same disappointing feeling as the AW.
You can actually edit the datafields on the native workout app by going to the apple watch settings on your phone. Thanks for a great review!
Thanks for the tip! I actually figured it out but the options are still pretty limited. I knew I'd make a mistake in this video 🤦♂️
Well crap I've been running with an Apple Watch for a few years now. You just showed me something that I did not know. I love it I changed all the settings and now I like it a lot better when I use the Apple Watch running.
Hehe, it took a while for me to notice too!😅
Great vid Dave! Just got an SE to try it out. Generally use a Fenix 6 for long distance triathlon stuff. SE is never going to replace the Garmin but its a really useful addition. I’m finding it useful for controlling music, sending texts while running......Siri works great! So great as a second device and its a proper smart watch, so can do loads of stuff that the Garmin can’t which is cool
For sure. It's a nice companion to a dedicated sports watch and it's great for shorter runs on the road. My only issues with the AWSE is the battery life. Aside from that it's a really great daily wear watch. Thanks for watching!
@@ChaseTheSummit how long will the battery last with normal using (just notifications on) and 1 hour training?
Just to cofirm you can not use Spotify with cellular only apple music!
Right, my mistake. I hope they change that soon.
@@ChaseTheSummit now you can, in beta though
If I get the gps only version, can i use apple music without carrying my phone? Maybe like downloading the playlist into the watch?
@@Iamad19 no you have to use Apple Music to pre download
Now you can!
thanks for the video, i was already thinking about whether i should buy an apple watch to run or a garmin!!
Glad you found it helpful!
My main reason for using an apple watch as my main fitness tracker is the heart rate accuracy (Apple Watch S6) absolutely bang on with my HRM Pro/F6 combo. It even handles weightlifting super well.
If I am correct the apple watch SE has an older HR sensor, I can only speak from the S6 experience.
I've heard great things with the S6 heart rate sensor! I wish the SE got the same one.
I love apple products, but when I got my garmin I switched to android and have never looked back. So thank you garmin for opening my eyes up to what's really available out there. Garmin/ android for president!!!!
They're both pretty great. I do like how integrated the apple ecosystem is but I also enjoy the freedom that comes with Android/Garmin.
Very helpful Review Thank you. Used to use Runkeeper - now use Strava with the Apple 3. Even though I charge it nightly the battery is dying super fast (at mile 5 today - 1 hour)! I've seen info stating Apple is only supporting this version thru end of 2021 - so I'll need a new watch soon since I'm training for a Marathon.
Glad you found it helpful!
Thanks for the video! I'm a casual runner (I'm 22 and I've been running for about 5 years), but I've never had a fitness watch before. I did some research and the ones I most identify with are AW 6 / SE and Garmin Venu/Sq. I don't run exclusively, I also do yoga and functional training. However, I am interested in evolving in the race and I liked the “Garmin Coach” feature. What do you recommend? If relevant, I also have an iPhone
Both will do the job. The Garmin Venu SQ seems really awesome at its price and has much better battery life than the AW. However, the AW is much "smarter" and more integrated with the Apple Ecosystem. If you want to download additional apps and stuff that might matter for you. Personally I'd go Garmin for fitness, Apple for everything else.
@@ChaseTheSummit Is the lack of altimeter a problem for runners (not pro) ? Do you know if it can be use the iPhone altimeter if I carry it with me? I like this one because of the size, I have a small wrist and the regular Venu seems to be really big for me. As I said my other option would be AW6 SE but smartwatch features are not my priority, I care more about health and fitness stuff
Great comparison. I been using a polar m600 for awhile to track my cycling then I got hook on Wahoo’s stuff. Then I won garmin Fenix 5 in a raffle.
I think if you are looking start getting In shape an Apple Watch will do the job, but if your seriously training for events a dedicated sports like a garmin, polar watch or a wahoo is going to suit you better.
For sure. The AW is a great start if you already have one for daily wear. T Lucky you winning a Fenix! Thanks for watching.
Awesome video. Was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. I used to use the Apple Watch 3 and the Nike running app. I liked it but I love my garmin forerunner 55. Thinking about getting a Cellular SE (second gen) that way I can leave my phone behind while running, walking, at work, etc. but not sure since I love my garmin so much.
Great comparison. Very timely too. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Great review, it got me subscribed anyway 😉 I’ve been running with Apple Watches for years mainly because of all the other smartwatch features you get as a ‘bonus’. One thing that is still bothering me though is that when I run with my athletics group, I always seem to run about 5% less distance then Garmin owners, when we all upload to Strava. And also Strava vs. Runkeeper vs. WorkOutDoors always have strange variations in running time, distance and average pace/speed.
Awesome! Thank you!
Like he said, the Apple Watch GPS seems to work more accurate, a few meters will add up... Got the same problem with Garmin Edge and Strava iPhone App. I can tell you, riding my bicycle in the forrest, my Garmin is playing crazy. So I guess Apple is doing a got job here.
Thank you for taking the time to create this video. I've been a Garmin wearer for years and have just purchased an Apple SE (my wife actually got it for me). I was going to do exactly what you did - wear both and compare data - and you doing so saved me the time in crunching the numbers. What you say here makes sense to me knowing the Garmin and it looks like I'll be holding onto my 235 for my running.
Glad it was helpful!
Amazing review exactly the fitness approach I was looking for.
However, this is the first one where GPS and heart rate accuracy was not slightly below par.
Yeah, my GPS accuracy has been pretty decent from the AWSE so far. The HR data is hit or miss like I said in the video. There are occasional spikes and drops compared to my Garmins. Thank you for watching!
That's what I was looking for, thanks man for this review!
Glad it was helpful!
You got a new subscriber brother. We need more TH-camrs using mainstream tech in specialized scenarios. Because most of the specialized tech is super expensive.
Thank you!
I have just purchased this watch nike version and I am totally amazed, never thought id say it but its better than a garmin forerunner for the price !!
Apple delivering a value?! Whaaaat?! Thanks for watching!
@@ChaseTheSummit I am actually in shock myself ha. Also another off put from a Garmin stand point is I have an iPhone phone 11 and Garmin Connect just does not like iOS14.
Keep up the great videos !!
You can change the display on the running app you have to go into the watch app on your iPhone, then Workout, then workout view. You can change it all in there for each individual exercise type.
I noticed this after posting this video... doh! Thanks for the tip. Still... the available fields are somewhat limited.
Chase the Summit yeah I agree.
love your professional reviews !!!
Thanks so much!
Thanks for this Video! Definitely some interesting thoughts about the Apple Watch. I am still not sure, which watch i should get. Just because i love to hear music/podcasts while running and i am an iphone user..
Thanks for watching! The Apple Watch is pretty awesome for the right person. If you don't mind charging daily I'd say it's a good companion to an Iphone!
I have an Apple Watch series 3 ( had some loyalty program points to use so just paid for shipping), and I more or less use it as an activity tracker . Whilst it is fairly accurate. It has one massive Achilles heel, pretty much the same one subsequent versions have, battery life, at current activity levels I get approximately 2 days use ( I don't sleep with it on). For running outdoors I prefer to use my Sunto Ambit 2 although I have had to jerry rig the Watch bands because of them breaking over time ( Ambit 2 has great battery life). If I can swing the cash I would replace applewatch and theambit with a Garmin Instinct Solar or Fenix 6 pro.
Yeah the battery life is the big limiting factor unfortunately. Apple Watch makes a nice companion to a dedicated sports watch like a Garmin. Thanks for watching!
thanks for the test. again very well done
Thanks for watching!
This exactly the sort of review I was looking for. The data comparison was especially useful.
Hmm I swear you can change the data fields on the phone 🤔 i haven't owned an Apple watch in a while tho.. And yes healthFit app is fantastic and is worth every cent!!
Yes you can change the data fields in the watch app. You can put up to 5 including active calories, pace (average and actual), HR, cadence, etc
Turns out you can. I guess I didn't try hard enough! However, the fields are still pretty limiting compared to the endless list I get with Garmin. The AW is certainly a cool device but I don't think it can replace my Forerunners or Fenix in terms of being a dedicated running watch. I do love wearing it day-to-day though. Thanks for watching
@@ChaseTheSummit 100% agree , night and day difference with my fenix 6x
Very good review, thanks for sharing!! I noticed when you were showing the HR data that it looks like the apple watch takes fewer data points than your garmin watches. Looks like it might not be a great tool for doing intervals or something with fast changing data based on the seemingly fewer data points. As a long time Suunto GPS tester, I have a few tips for you for future reviews:
1) Try not to do out and back routes. It is very hard to see how accurate the GPS tracks are compared to your actual path when you are looking at 2 sets of tracks stacked on each other (from an out and back)
2) Try to incorporate routes that have a decent number of sharp turns or curves, so you can see how it tracks in comparison to easy straight line and "gentle curve" running
3) When comparing GPS devices, wear as many as you can on the same arm. All GPS devices have some sort of sideways offset, so wearing the watches on different arms is a less accurate method of comparing; especially when comparing overall total distance and GPS track accuracy. I can wear up to 3 watches on one arm by doing the following: wear one watch on my wrist, wear another on my forearm, and a 3rd wrapped around my hand. Also make sure that the watches are spaced by about 1-2" so the GPS antenna don't interfere with each other -- a buff or wristband
Hopefully a few of these tips might be useful, I have learned many different things to watch out for in 5 years of GPS device testing. Keep up the great vids, and happy trail running!
Thanks for the feedback. I actually prefer out and back tracks for analyzing data as it gives you a better idea of how the GPS is tracking on a single device since map data won't be 100% perfect. Theoretically the tracks should be right on top of each other if you're on the same side of the road/trail. Thanks for watching!
This (and many other of your videos) helped me make the right decision for me! :) Thanks and keep up the good work!
Glad I could help!
I am late to the party but you can customize the base running app metrics, it only shows 5 but there are different options to choose from in the apple watch app. Also, you can directly export data to Strava and other apps as long as you approve the data transfer. I have more info if you are interested. Thanks, love your content!
Yeah for sure! I figured this out eventually but I still don't love the stock app. The Workoutdoors app and iSmoothRun have been really awesome though! Thanks for watching!
Going to be upgrading to the series 6 soon but I’ve been rocking the series 3 for a while now and love it. I ran both the LA Marathon and the born to run ultra marathon wearing it. I definitely cut it close on the 50 K using the GPS the whole time. Only had about 10% battery left and was worried I wasn’t gonna make it but thankfully did. But yeah, been using Strava on it forever and freaking love it.
Awesome! You'll probably love the SE6 because it has more battery life!
You can indeed customize the running view or pretty much for all worksouts. For this you need to use the watch app on the phone, you can’t configure it directly on the watch
I ended up figuring that out! I knew I'd get something wrong in this video... DOH! It kinda stinks that you can't do it on the watch itself though. What if I left my phone at home? Thanks for watching!
Chase the Summit well, if you leave it at home you can’t customize the views on the go. But then again... how often do you need that?
Thank you for this great runners review!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the review. Im waiting for Apple Watch ⌚️ series 6 Nike version
Nice! Let us know how you like it!
Keep in mind if you are running on the track, wearing the watch on your left or right hand makes a big difference in the distance measured.
For sure, I need a third arm!
Thanks for the review. I got AW s6 gps version last Friday and thinking to get a Garmin FR 745. For music on AW, I have to keep a copy on my phone and my phone doesn’t have much space left. Aw has lots of features I don’t need. prefer to have a device dedicated to sports and HR tracking.
I tend to agree. Having a Garmin, Coros, Polar, Suunto, etc... just feels more relaible since it's "off-line" and isn't depending on your phone. I like the apple watch but I feel like it's not the right tool for me for running. Thanks for watching!
Nice vid I have the Apple Watch series 0 (aka 7000 series) this is very helpful so I’ll buy the se 2
For those interested: I had an apple watch 2 and it stoped working after I went for an outdoor run because I think sweat entered the side scrolling button. The series 2 may not be the best model for running. just for comparison!
Interesting. I haven't had that issue with the SE yet.
Thanks for that great, balanced review. Very useful.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the extensive review !
Glad it was helpful!
Running 50-60 miles per week, do you follow a specific training plan?
Not really on a plan right now. I just try to get out when I can and on the treadmill when I can't. When I'm training for an actual race I'll be a bit more structured. Thanks for watching!
Subbed. Absolutely glorious review
Thank you! Means a lot!
I assume I can just sync a bluetooth chest strap HRM to the Apple watch, correct? Looking into one of these instead of a Garmin 245 Music because I could use the Apple watch with my existing Apple music subscription, whereas for the Garmin I'd have to get a separate Spotify subscription.
For battery life, I could just turn it off between runs, as I wouldn't need it anyway.
This was so helpful, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
How does the connectivity of GPS vs GPS + Cellular affect the use of fitness tracking apps? I am especially interested in Strava. Could I still use it without the Cellular service? I am so tired of carrying my phone to track my workouts.
You can still track your workouts without a cellular connection (even without your phone on you). The activities basically sync once you're done and have a connection to your phone.
For multi functional purpose would an AW be a good pick up? I don't want to drag my phone with me, and just run with my watch while also being able to listen to music. As for the Garmin watch the 255 is the most budget friendly but still 160 euro more than the AWSE. I only intend to use AW for fitness/running, but I want to listen to music while running through BT.
I can’t seem to get the audio cues on my AirPods from the workout app. Anyone have a fix for it? I connect my watch to my phone and listen to music on Spotify as well
Hi, thanks very much for your review which popped up as the first choice when looking for a SE review. I'm a Garmin FR 235 user and was looking for non running device, but the SE following your review is a now serious consideration. Also thanks to your followers who have suggested other apps, I'll give them ago. Given I'm 60+ all of the metrics I used to use on my 235 when I competed before injury in 2016 are not that relevant as I just run for the hell of it and get outside in to the Trails. Best wishes. :-)
Thanks for watching! So far I've really enjoyed "Workoutdoors" as a running app. It's 6 bucks but totally worth it!
Hey, epic video, only thing I was curious how much battery you used on all these devices when on the same run ? I've got one and it seems to use almost 30-40% battery on just a small 5km run with music. Does your garmin do the same? might swap. Thanks!
Depends on which Garmin you’re using. Something like the Fenix 6 or Forerunner 945 will last up to 10 hours while using music + GPS or 35 hours with GPS only. Music is a battery hog unfortunately!
Longtime Apple user here but not anymore. The Apple watch is ok if your in Apple's garden. If your not, well thats a different story. With Garmin you're platform independent which is a great thing.
For sure, nice for Apple users... Non-starter for everyone else. Nice device though! Thanks for watching!
Thank you, sir. Great video!
Glad it was helpful!
You can change the data fields in the watch app, there is more possibilities and relevant data like cadence. Great video, keep up your good work! I've been using the AW4 for about a year and a half and I'm seriously thinking switching for a Forerunner 745. AW is a great smartwatch with decent fitness features. I want to opposite, a great fitness tracker with some smartwatch features like music and notifications.
I knew there must be a way! I did figure it out but the data fields still seem pretty limiting. I suppose I'm spoiled by the endless list Garmin gives us! I really enjoy using the AW as a daily smartwatch but I still prefer a dedicated device like the Forerunner or Fenix for running. There's something that feels more reliable about an off-line watch that doesn't need your phone at all to get the job done. Thanks for watching!
I love my forerunner.
They’re good!
@chasethesummit - if you go on the Apple Watch app on your iPhone, scroll down to Workouts, workout view; you can change the data. Eg. Instead of Rolling pace you can have avg cadence etc. hope this helps!
Yep! I figured this out but unfortunately there's still not much data to choose from.
Great video again. I am an average runner/walker and you would expect me to prefer the Apple Watches but ....no... the battery life is abysmal and there is so much information on the watch that it feels like you can put your phone down and continue reading email etc on your phone. There is never a break. With the Garmin forerunner 945 or Fenix 6 on my wrist I feel that it will be a sacrilege not to take it out for a run :-) By the way imagine how many apple watches you need to do an ultramarathon!!! Thank you again.
Ha! Yeah I'd probably need 4 or 5 apple watches to get through a 100 miler! The 945 and Fenix 6 are certainly powerful tools and equally as powerful motivators when they're staring at you from your wrist! Thanks for watching!
Great video! Thanks for the review
Thanks for watching!
I’ve got two Apple watches, but don’t use either of them now. I use my Fenix 6X for all my activities. My biggest bugbear with Apple was that I couldn’t use my watch to navigate when I was unsure of my whereabouts = I travel a lot and often want to run in unfamiliar territory and the agar in excels in this area..
Having offline maps is reeeeallly nice. Thanks for watching!
This is what I use WorkOutDoors for on the Apple watch. GPX to watch and then I get vector maps + route on the Apple watch.
I think the Apple watch is a better smartwatch along with the sport features, than the Garmins are along with the smart features. If you this makes sense. So I guess the Apple Watch covers a wider spectrum or let's say a little bit of everything however the 1.5-day battery is unforgivable. I'll probably upgrade to a FR945 from my Polar Vantage M this autumn time.
The battery life really holds it back. It would be cool to see that improve in the future.
You can change the data fields in the watch app on the phone.
I actually figured this out shortly after filming this video. DOH! I knew I'd make a mistake. Still... the app is pretty limiting. Thanks for watching!
This may seem like a stupid question, but for the gps model (not gps+cellular) you can use the standard running app and other running apps on your Apple Watch without your phone, right?
Yes. The watch works without your phone because it has an internal GPS antenna. Thanks for watching!
5:23 Stryd 😜. Now we just need apple to allow third party apps to keep the screen on during activity
Ryan Clayton I’m afraid of what that would do to the battery! 😱
Apple Watch SE doesn’t include the “always-on display” feature, so it can’t do that... that’s only available in Series 5 and Series 6
I consider myself less knowledgeable than an average person. So, thanks for all your inputs. 🙏 I don’t own an Apple or a Garmin Watch, but now I am thinking about getting either one of those. Just one quick question, please. When someone purchases an Apple Watch, isn’t it the intention of the typical user to install running app in it, instead of taking an Apple Watch as it is? I heard a good running app costs a few bucks a month which will quickly add up. 🤷🏼♂️
The Apple Watch has a built in workout app and of course you can download several other free offerings like Nike Run Club or Strava. The best app I've found so far is called "Workoutdoors" and it's only $6 bucks... one time, no monthly fee. Hope that helps!
@@ChaseTheSummit Thank you thank you 🙏 I Will be watching for Black Friday flyers from the local Walmart and Costco 😀
Why didn’t you get the Nike version? It’s literally designed for this
Albino Shrimp babies it’s actually the same hardware. You can download the Nike app on any Apple Watch. The only thing you get with the Nike version is apps pre installed, a special band, and some branding.
Chase the Summit plus... more nike watch faces. A little extra for the same money 😊
I've bought an polar vantage V and I was not happy with it. My bpm was not right... So i've send it back to the shop where i bought it and now i'm considering to buy the apple watch SE. I run 30k in a week and gps and hart rate are important to me. Which watch do u recommend? PS love ur vids!!
The Apple Watch SE might suit your needs. The only bummer is that it basically needs to be charged daily. If you're primarily a road runner the Coros Pace 2 or the Garmin Forerunner 245 are also good choices! Hope that helps!
Hey Dave...thanks for the review. Apple watch clearly a dope smartwatch but, as you say, for the more serious end of the running spectrum it's pretty lacking.
I guess I'm just stuck in my old ways with Garmin-type fitness devices. The AW certainly has potential. I just wish a lot of the features were baked in rather than requiring additional apps. Thanks for watching!
Nope it ain’t lacking . With the help of 3rd party apps it is on par with Garmin lmfao
Yes WorkOutDoors is best for a running app !
I use HealthFit too !
I found :
Strava
Nike running app
Not so good :(
I either use WorkOutDoors or the normal apple workout app.
I have been running with apple watches since series 1.
I have loved every year it gets better, I run 5KM with Music and my watch is on like 91% which is brilliant !
I have used:
Apple Watch :
Series 1
Series 3
Series 4
Series 5
Series 6
Garmin:
Vivoactive 3 music
HUAWEI :
HUAWEI watch GT
I still came back to my Apple Watch ! I love it in every way even though the battery can sometimes be a pain.
Workoutdoors is really cool. Thanks for watching!
👍difference between Garmin and Apple Watch ?
Interesting review, thanks. I've just come to the conclusion that after changing from Garmin to Polar Ignite for better HRM (much better), the GPS from my iPhone 11 Pro is way ahead of either. Tracking is perfect on the phone, both Garmin and Polar go off by significant amounts. You weren't clear on whether your phone was off when testing the AW or whether it was using the phone GPS (sorry if I missed it and you did say)? I'm now keeping phone in pocket and using Strava though still have Polar for HRM. The lack of accuracy on GPS from Polar put me 200m out on distance the other day on 5k - that's a full minute. Checked the phone, it was perfect, checked the map, the phone distance was perfect. Interesting tech around at the moment! Thanks.
That's interesting that your phone accuracy is better than your watch. I've found that the apple Iphone 12 pro "smooths" out my GPS tracks so that they look pretty but aren't quite as accurate. Yes in this video I was using the AW GPS chip and not my phone. Thanks for watching!
Workoutdoors or iSmoothRun. Only way to go for the Apple Watch. Still trash compared to a Garmin. Heart rate/cadence are not that good on Apple Watch.
Luigi Aversano thanks for the tips and for watching!
You can customize the data on the Apple Watch running app also
Hey, I found that the garmin vivoactive was not quite precise in term of milage. I was thinking about changing to apple watch because I use apple in all other devices. Is the forerunner better in terms of precision and batterie than the vivoactive ? Thanks great video!
The newer Forerunner 255 is a pretty big step up in terms of GPS accuracy as compared to Venu/Vivoactive.
iSmoothrun app.
there are plenty and plenty of options to set-up
Cool! Thanks for the tip!
Interesting. I'm finding the display on my Forerunner 245 increasingly hard to read. A larger screen and better contrast would help I think. I may look into the Apple watches.
The retina display on the Apple Watch is certainly vibrant and easy to read especially using an app like iSmoothRun or WorkOutDoors! The "not always on" display takes some adjusting though. I like that the 245 never turns off or dims. Thanks for watching.
I do a lot of run/walk on my recovery runs to keep my HR low. Apple watch doesn't provide intervals customization. Also not a fan of touch screen for my running watches.
Agree on the touch screen. I much prefer buttons especially in the rain!
Very nice review Dave. I don't have an AW (yet). But, can you use Polar Beats on the AW just using the built in OHR? Or, can you only connect to Beats with A Polar HR strap?
I just tried it and it seems like you can't use the OHR in Polar Beat which is kind of odd. Maybe Polar doesn't trust the data coming from the Apple Watch. That's too bad though it would be cool if you could swap between something like a Grit X for more serious runs and use the AW for casual runs while still syncing to Polar Flow.
Chase the Summit That is odd. Well, thanks for trying Dave. You could probably connect to the phone app with something like the Polar OH-1, but that is not as convenient as using the included OHR!
Help anyone. I really need to ask you something. I love garmin watches, but the wife wants to match... anyway.. I really like that the interval training on my Garmin, I run for one-minute rest 30 seconds. can i do this on the SE? Im sure there is an app for this on the apple watch. anyone can answer.
I have been using the Apple Watch 5 for 6 months now and I have to say that the default app isn't enough. You need the iSmoothrun or something else.
I got used to iSmoothrun more than the other competitor's apps. The app allows me to program my training and also gives me more data.
I'm actually now looking into getting a Garmin Fenix 6 or a 945 (I'm still deciding and that is why I got into your channel, thanks BTW).
My decision of getting a dedicated watch for running, cycling, and swimming, is that the Apple Watch GPS seems inaccurate.
But it may be me again not choosing the right settings on the app iSmoothrun as they recommend you use the watch data only when selecting on the start screen.
Interesting! Yes, I didn't get perfect GPS accuracy from the AW either. I did find that the "Workoutdoors" app was pretty awesome though!
@@ChaseTheSummit You are right, I got to know this app after checking the comments here and looks like its better than the iSmoothrun I was using. I will give it a shot.