The Best Argument for the Existence of God - Jordan Peterson
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The best argument and the worst argument for God are the same; He's unfalsifiable.
People believe in God for the same reason children believe in Santa; It's zero cost, it's zero risk, it's easy, it requires a lack of critical thinking, and it helps them deny the brutal truth of reality and growing up.
he is unfalsifiable because he MUST exist this god non falsifiability is a property of him being a necessary existence rather than, rather than making questions about him non-useful as we would do with non-falsifiable stuff in empirical sciences
@@يوسفعمارنة-ش9ت that makes no sense. Did you just make that up? Do you even know what non falsifiability is?
@asyncasync yes, if there is no possible condition, experiment, observation that can prove the hypothesis false, then it us unfalsifiable, however neccecity entities,(if we assume they exist) are also non-falsifiable by definition
@@يوسفعمارنة-ش9ت replace God with Santa and your argument works just the same.
Santa MUST exist and therefor being unfalsifiable is an inherent quality to him and therefor its a non-useful question.
So now Santa is real. Great!
Salvation is an incessant uphill struggle and sometimes, after we've surrendered our egos to the rhythms of the work, we find moments of grace
Why do we need to be "saved"?
Does anyone know where to find the full version of this conversation?
_Please stop sending responses, it has been answered as Jordan Peterson's Exodus Bible Study. Thank you, greatly appreciate the answers._
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@@oracle_8947 Thank you.
His own yt chan
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Every time Jordan opens his mouth,BS comes out.
'Celestial butler' is my new favorite term 😂😂
@@thetej2227look in to getting real help
Yeah, this butler hasn't brought me my slippers and a drink yet!
*Django music intensifies*
If god was a butler than he would be more useful than he is now.
@@Thelastheretic cry about it Timmy.
How is this an argument for the existence of a god?
it isn’t he is ignoring critical thinking and instead thinking with delusional reason to try and justify his statement
Because when he spews a bunch of crap, he thinks he is making a convincing argument. He is not. Also, there are enough people who, not understanding what he said, presume it must be correct and that it is only their ignorance causing them to not understand this man's "great wisdom".
He is agnostic
I don't think he really was making an argument for the existence of God lol, seems more like a click-baity title
I think it’s an argument for a higher self that exists in the subconscious. Not a god.
Man, when I turned my life over to Jesus I learned pretty quickly that it wasn’t Him not there for me my whole life, I just hadn’t turned to Him. God bless anyone who’s struggling or battling demons, I nearly killed myself many times through my 34 years but God showed me His mercy, love and Grace, AMEN!
You are supposed to turn your life over to god. I’ve been debating religion for almost 20 years now. You can believe in a high power all you want, but to believe in the christian bible god is for the illogical. You were hurting and needed communion and you found it in a religious community. But you can do better bro. Don’t be a slave.
@@johnlittle5267 I know it through and through. Was raised from 6yrs to 17 going to church and decided I’d figure life out on my own. It got very dark over the next 13 years.
As an adult man I wanted to research religions, God, Big Bang and anything that would deepen my understanding.
I came back to the KJV because the evidence is, Jesus lived, was 100% historically real and His words were accurate. So many instances while studying I had these “wow” moments, I couldn’t deny the evidence of God all around me anymore.
We all have a choice and free will to answer those questions over our lifetime. The urgency with Christianity is that our souls are eternal. Thanks for commenting I really do enjoy hearing others beliefs
Stay strong and focus with God Almighty through Jesus Christ our Savior. Don't let anyone deceived you or distract you. We should remain in union with Christ body. God Almighty bless you brother 🙏
@@itskeagan3004 good to hear you found god... you sound like one of the good christian people who were mentioned in Quran chapter 28 ‘the stories’
jesus didnt exist
We live in a paradox ourselves. One day when we were young we just opened up our eyes and became conscious with no back story. I remember this day sitting outside in our back yard. Looking up at the glory of the blue sky and all creations. I had so much fear. So much anxiety struck me. I ran to my mother and asked her. Mom. Why are we here. I don’t think she understood me. Because she gave me a very earthly answer. I replied no! But how are we here. It doesn’t make any sense. She gave me the very simple answer. Because god made us and he wants us here. I hadn’t felt much pain yet at 4 years old, but it was a good enough answer for me.
I think we are all in different levels of consciousness. I can guarantee when I talk to people, I can tell really quick who is alive, and who is “alive” the more alive we are, the more spirit of god we have in us. It’s so scary how it really is, and I’ve struggled with this my whole life. Having out of body experiences and precognitive premonitions. I see things others don’t. I feel blessed because I actually see god and I know he is real . But I can’t prove it outside of my mind. All I can tell someone is to search their consciousness and you will find we are eternal beings. You will come to the same conclusions as me. It sounds cliche and I hate to be so broad. But verbal language is so limited to the concepts that I compute with my earthly brain. Humility and faith are the only things I can recommend. We are all connected by god. The masculine energy that created this dimension of material 3D universe. Possibly out of this realm is somewhere where time doesn’t exist. There is no beginning and there is no end. I’m sure it will make sense when we go to our true home. But the reality is we are living in a matrix. 85%of our daily routine we are unconscious and completely acting on programming and instinct. Some of us operate on 99 percent programming. Consciousness is feeling the light of god and the power of free will. Some of us exercise this liberty more than others. It’s scary to see things others don’t see. It truely makes me afraid that I’m the only thing real in this world.
My best guest is that we all come from the same spirit. That we are made in gods image. And if I was a supreme conscious being I would be lonely. So I would put myself into multiple avatars and send them off to another realm, it would be the only way to make them truly individuals. Here on earth in this plane we develop our personalities and become separate of god, only to return as someone new. Otherwise if we stayed under god, we would only be a duplicate of him. He loves us so much he does all of this for us. This earth does have a purpose, and it’s to make us individuals. Because we are all technically the same spirit. Some of us feminine and some masculine. Equal and opposite. Our experience here on earth is what separates us from god. And we don’t like to be alone, since we are created from him we can learn a lot about god from learning about ourselves. We all determine our reality in our consciousness. We are beings beyond our bodies in the material world. I don’t know everything about god. But I can guarantee he is a loving god. And since everything must exist, so must evil. And we must cast away evil from ourselves, the same way god has done for himself. That is why we are so innately born to know the difference of good and evil. I was born Jewish, but I’m not particularly religious. But I don’t believe in god. I know god, because god is the spirit inside of me that is everything good. I hope this makes sense to anyone struggling with a damaged soul. God has already healed the impossible with me. He will do it for you too if you are sincere
I ain’t reading all that
@@Thunder_sloth good for you
Chatgpt can summarized this in a sentence
Thank you 🙏
Can I ask how old you are?
If this is the best argument for god's existence, god needs better marketing.
Lmao true
God said he created the sun to govern the day the moon to govern the night why do the two appear to be exactly the same size (as we see in an eclipse)to us when in actuality what is 400 times larger than the other but yet is 400 times further away...to me that can't just happen
@@gearyheidinewaccount3237the sun is 400x the distance from the moon as the moon is to earth. So when it’s that far away it appears similar in size. For example, if you had a skittle and placed it up eye level, and right behind that skittle was a house, the house would be much much bigger… Move 400x the distance away from that house and align the house up with the skittle at eye level, and it’ll be close to the same size
@@gearyheidinewaccount3237very true! Or how our Earth’s axis is tilted to a specific degree, so we don’t burn or freeze but have the perfect temperature for life.
@@thunderstruck7878 It depends on your perspective. Is it that the conditions are perfect enough for us to exist, or is our existence simply a biproduct of these specific conditions which are bound to happen given the size of the universe
Jordan looks like the kind of guy that starts getting ready at 5:30 am and is ready to go around 8:15
Can you explain this pls?
Tf are you talking about
I think he’s tryna imply that Jordan has this always prepared vibe to him 😂
Yeah it takes him nearly 3 hours to get ready. Math.
@ajneufeld762 no he just eats sausage and goes
Very intelligent scholar and humble proffessor of faith in Jesus Christ. Much love and respect Mr Jordan Peterson. ❤
This same guy calls god “the worlds greatest fiction” he’s an atheist by definition.
Like so many arguments for a god, this boils down to "To show that a god exists, first assume that a god exists..."
Exactly
The only time I want to hear "first assume that a god exists" in a proof is in a proof by contradiction
@@paulblart7378fr
Actually, it's ok to make an asumption like that. The technique is to make contradictory proof. You asume that God exists. However, at the end of the explanation, you know that God doesn't exist, since from the characteristics of God itself can't fulfill the asumption.
@@ibrahimerlangga6460 yeah... like I just said.
Those are all definitely words
"How to be a better agent of the divine will" --- life's not about taking, it's about helping and serving
Life's about living
@@Vicky-fl7pv Sure, go smoke some crack. Why don't you go deal it too, that would be a rush
I AM
FEELING
NOT
Witnessing
This bit has the same logical fallacy thrice in 40 seconds. Circular reasoning. He should be clever enough to know that and try better arguments.
I never asked a spiritual being for anything other and spiritual help.
I never asked God to give me riches,
but ask to give me things LIKE STRENGTH or with CLARITY OF MIND or INSPIRATION to be able to achieve what I need to
on my own*!
LIKE SunTzu SAID (im paraphrasing*)
"A GREAT GENERAL IS NOT ONE WHO, AT THE END OF A GREAT VICTORY, THE MEN WILL SAY "OUR GENERAL WON US A GREAT VICTORY"
BUT WILL SAY
"OUR GENERAL HELPED US; TO WIN THIS BATTLE,
OURSELVES!"
🤨👍🏻
So "God helps those who help themselves"-- but if you are helping yourself, what is God doing? Cheerleading? So then he's just a lucky charm that boosts your confidence.
@@TheTruth-cy4leGod gives direction by inspiring us to make the moves that gets us to the persons, places and/ or thing(s) we need. God also gives the mental, physical and emotional strength it takes to overcome whatever obstacles may be in our way. I can’t find any other reason other than God for why some people get so much more out of life than others who in some cases started far ahead of them. Life is a relatively long experience and how we start is not always indicative of how we will finish. I’ve found in my life that the difference is going with God and going against God.
@@charniecearielle God is a personification of human values and attitudes, an artifact of the collective unconscious, not a conscious entity unto itself. We are social animals and communicate among ourselves using symbolic characters in dramas we create about our own desires and fears. Plenty of people get a lot out of life without believing in any gods, and plenty of people who believe fervently in God become fixated, dogmatic, limited in their thinking, resentful, and even psychotically hatefull toward anyone they perceive as being "God's enemy"
I have a UNIQUE relationship with Jesus. I behold many secrets. He is Very real! Amen
@raider7829 Please read Isaiah 43:10 to 13 , Isaiah 44 verses 6 to 8, Isaiah 45:5 to 8 and verses 21 to 25, Isaiah 46:5 to 13, Isaiah 48:12 to 13.
God is one, He is the first meaning that He does not have a father, and He is the last meaning He does not have a god-like son.
Ah yes, everyone likes to feel like they have found the answer.
@@rooks786 That is true, but there is those out there that are more then willing to change their current beliefs if they find out their wrong at something, and that make peoples life better, and i am one of those people, i am not afraid to change my mind, i prayed to God for Him to teach me about Him and God helped me find out i was wrong at somethings i believed and God helped me correct those things troughtout the years, and i am still open minded and learning, and my life got much much better because of this, so now i want to help people out there that may be trapped in the fear of change or that do'nt even see their wrong at something because they don't stop to think about it.
Hallelujah 🙌 Glory Hallelujah 🙌 🙏
@@odoga4095 so that he would give his only son
A better agent of the divine will? Attempting to do this can lead you into the worst crisis that you've ever known. Trust me I know. I once found myself unable to be sure of any decision presented in front of me. Nobody will ever understand the pain . Don't let life get too complicated.
Exactly. Too much analysis causes paralysis.
@@hyacinthlynch843 what's weird and what scares me is how vulnerable we are as human beings. It's Really weird how a person can loose his/her sanity . Anyways in my experience I've realised that Family is key in the fight for control. Ain't nothing in the world more precious as having people who see your failure as theirs and your success as theirs.
Its actually simple love God with all your heart mind and soul and love your neighbor like you love yourself.
@@ccrow3355 exactly
We are just life, many other planets have some unique thing about them but let me say this dinosaurs roamed around earth millions of years they weren't spiritual they just lived, humans has been around for like yesterday compared to dinosaurs, a next thing, we are just a spec a tiny spec the universe is freakishly huge, we are nothing but dust let's not make things complicated more than it should be😁 maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right
have a nice morning, day, evening everyone i came here to say only that
Who asked?
You to!
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Are the Same falicy...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 did he just say "celestial butler" omg l love him even more. I love that he also has a sense of humor. Most intellects don't.
@@CavalrytoCanaan Yes, many comedians are very smart, but comedians tend to focus on comedy and are mainly seen as funny people to the general public. I believe that OP is referring to the "intellects" who focus on relaying information to us by challenging/stretching our brains through teaching & debate.
Which is why I've never laughed at anything jordan has said....
Yeah, I think the fact that he claims he believes in a flying man with a straight face is hilarious 😂
@@smartestgirl Since you missed the facts. Here let’s go over the Evidence for God. We know the universe is governed by precise mathematical laws of Physics. Rule of newton puts it-there cannot be laws without a lawmaker. All laws require intelligence to formulate and intelligence to understand which include humans. Compiled Laws put in place such as laws of thermodynamics demonstrate time initiated the universe yet there was a timeless cause. The universe a pendulum of time is clockwork, more complex than a Rolex watch. This alone calls for intelligent design any time of the week. We know God who has thoughts feelings ideas emotions made things in fours. Examples for the earth: there is four seasons fours elements four winds four sides to earths compass. That’s four fours. The grids used for maps is made up of foursquares of equal sides. In nature we have animals that walk on fours with typically four toes. Some have external fours such as tarantulas or octopus on sides. Humans have four fingers each hand excluding thumbs. Humans also grow four wisdom teeth. DNA which makes up all life is made up of four principle molecules. Gods name in Hebrew you guessed it four letters YHWH. The eden he made In the beginning had four rivers that crossed it, two of which still exist today. It seems clearly then that God left his fingerprints and name all over creation. It also seems apparent that God is highly intelligent for he did the math before we even discovered it. Keep in mind that science doesn’t tell you God does not exist, only lying dishonest individuals do……
@@smartestgirlGod is not flying or a man
This whole conversation is so dumb. Religious people would do anything to get hints. Hahahah.
"You don't know where the Spirit is coming or going from but you can always recognize His effects"
Yes , it’s called self fulfilling prophecy. Argue for it and it’s yours
That’s handy!!!
Or maybe these effects are literally just regular events and Christians are too obsessed with saying “GOD DID THIS, GOD DID THAT” to realize it
Have you heard about confirmation bias?
Yeah all the suffering and awful nonsense this world offers clearly proofs god’s existence.
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"
The State is not my God.
Nothing
It was totally Thomas Jefferson who said that
@@Ksvtjhyb7wow bro how prophetic
Nope. govt is not God.
The music is so annoying why do people constantly add it over someone who is making a profound point - the point should stand on its own
Because if the point needs music it's not actually a good point
You sound so stupid right now@@therandompowersthatbeshow4062
Jordan Peterson is very good at helping people lead a better life. But why oh why does he decide to talk about god etc. He should stick to what is real and evidenced, and not add in fictional nonsense because it isn’t relevant.
The known...The unknown...The unknowable ✨
Thank god we don't have to "know" something in order to experience it 🤗 most people don't know how Internet works, how an aeroplane works or ever how the WIFI works 😀 but still they can enjoy it.
@@btdoe3259exactly
Oh really? Here let’s go over the Evidence for God. We know the universe is governed by precise mathematical laws of Physics. Rule of newton puts it-there cannot be laws without a lawmaker. All laws require intelligence to formulate and intelligence to understand which include humans. Compiled Laws put in place such as laws of thermodynamics demonstrate time initiated the universe yet there was a timeless cause. The universe a pendulum of time is clockwork, more complex than a Rolex watch. This alone calls for intelligent design any time of the week. We know God who has thoughts feelings ideas emotions made things in fours. Examples for the earth: there is four seasons fours elements four winds four sides to earths compass. That’s four fours. The grids used for maps is made up of foursquares of equal sides. In nature we have animals that walk on fours with typically four toes. Some have external fours such as tarantulas or octopus on sides. Humans have four fingers each hand excluding thumbs. Humans also grow four wisdom teeth. DNA which makes up all life is made up of four principle molecules. Gods name in Hebrew you guessed it four letters YHWH. The eden he made In the beginning had four rivers that crossed it, two of which still exist today. It seems clearly then that God left his fingerprints and name all over creation. It also seems apparent that God is highly intelligent for he did the math before we even discovered it. Keep in mind that science doesn’t tell you God does not exist, only lying dishonest individuals do……
@@btdoe3259We don't even know our own selves. We just call ourselves homo sapien.
Dafuq has Lobsterson been smoking?
Something your little brain obviously can not grasp...
🐦🧠
@@PlusVK22 Aha. First of all, nice going liking your own comment, but secondly, and more importantly, if you would bring forth the maturity to actually explain yourself instead of cowering behind meaningless ad hominem attacks, you could spare yourself and me my time and trouble.
Richard Dawkins is a Freemason, Freemasons created evolution to excuse the horrible atrocities things they have/Are going to do to reduce the human population and then claim “survival of the fittest” Freemasons are not atheists, they are Luciferians trying to bring the nwo where you will be forced to worship the Anti Christ whether you’re atheist or not
@@generalerica4123you proved how much you lack in education. The minute a person swears and curses that shows you are not capable to proper valid arguments of any sort. Last time I checked I never learned swear words as part of curriculum. God knows I know better.
This guy talks like he's so sure of himself but he doesn't actually say anything.
We are here to love each other and help one another ❤️. Period.
Loving and helping one's fellow humans doesn't require religion. In fact, historically , religion is one of the most divisive forces ever created by MEN
To live by the word of God. The Bible
@@WiseTrails1 Or the Hindu scriptures, or the Quran, or the book of Mormon. Or, as I prefer reality, science and facts
If this is the best argument for "God's" existence then theists still have quite a ways to go.
What Peterson is arguing here is that you basically have to submit yourself to believe in "God" in order for "God" to exist. It's complete nonsense.
This is too good 😋. I'm loving it 🤩
He definitely says a lot of words, but I didn't hear a single case proving the existence of God. If this is the best argument, I'll continue to enjoy my life free from the burden of adhering to fictional stories.
@@Keisha531 "free" 🤣👍
Smartest dumbest thing I ever heard 😂😂😂
Whatever gets you through the night folks.
LOL
Yup, it makes the boat stay a float
Funny how the only rude comment on this video is the atheist being an ass. Maybe some divine love would loosen you up, maybe find meaning in the world other than leaving hate comments on youtube for desperate attention.
the belief in God extends far greater than just "it makes people comfortable." Although it is true, there's a lot of utility in belief of God, there are also defensible probabilistic arguments for his existence.
I like that he says when you are in service to others that the reason you find meaning is because you are closer to the sovone like it's just self evident hahah
When life leaves you dead in the water without a paddle is when you feel the current of the water that once felt still. Ask for Knowledge and things that benefit you as a person and your loved ones.
Hmmm 🧐
also maybe ask if any one can lend a paddle.
@@redbunny22 That would be equivalent to asking rich parents for help. No one has a paddle. My parents didn't and no one else on the river had one. Plus why would you do everything except ask God? especially when everything handed to you that's not from God, ends up being sabotage or a trap like for example, the paddle you ask to borrow is 4 inches long and weights 40 pounds and you're wondering where all the laughing is coming from as you try to use it. lmao. Then you get to shore many miles away and find out the mfr's had a nice paddle the whole time. never helped. just sat in the boat eating your food. THATS LIFE!
@@fourleafcloveer5011 in reality I completely agree it was just a smart alicky remark i made just to be silly.
@@redbunny22 oh sorry
Another classic Peterson word salad
Confounding the stupid is surprisingly easy. Simply say enough fancy words and you have them licking your shoes.
Thats JP in a nutshell.
Tbh the argument is fine idk what you're talking about and there are numerous studies that show that religion and spirituality is good for mental health and people whom believe in god have better physical health as well.
That in of it self shows god acts upon those whom follow in his name and that he has real tangible effects on people he interacts with us. He's more immanent than you think.
@@dmtlover3128 Well of course thinking someone having your back would benefit your mental health, as well as indirectly affect your physical health. That isn’t surprising and still proves little to nothing.
@@flux_switch25 If you are to look at the argument from a purely analytic point of view sure it wouldn't prove much, but it still speaks to something true poetically.
The west has given up God and culture and replaced it with 'progress' but what are we progressing to? Materialism is just something we've used to replace our inherent nature to strive towards the divine and yet it fails in of itself to do anything meaningful because the concept itself has shown to abuse it's participants in chasing short hits of dopamine for long-term anguish.
We're drunk off modernism and God is the sobreity we need.
Suffering brings you to God.
When you find your happiness you dont have to listen to anyone. Life isnt this complicated at all. Its your mind that’s complicated. If you can calm your mind enough just to see what’s happening around you and act accordingly either be or not be a part of it you have successfully beaten life.
If you don’t listen to anyone, your happiness is superficial because it doesn’t involve real connection - and therefore doesn’t involve Jesus, who commanded connection.
@@SAK1855 Nope. Happiness comes from within. You can't have real connections if you're not already in a good place.
@@SAK1855 happiness is within yourself and how you perceive this world. Jesus was just an illusionist who wanted to be famous.
@@micksnow2947 Fair enough, though Peterson embraces Christian narratives, or rather pretends to, so that’s the terrain on which I was making the case. Still, we are social animals, and the idea that happiness comes in isolation isn’t realistic or compatible with our nature.
The only way to feel happiness is to realize the amends we already made with the divine goodlifulness-that of what is tied to all forces and powers through the common self-volition of the matter scientists still look at, and perverts another way
Why doesn't anyone share what interview clips like this one are taken from? Is it just a mind numbing oversight? I'd like to watch this whole conversation.
Same here fella for Fok's sake somebody has to know it
Reply here if you find out
Comment for reminder
Also leaving comment for notification if someone finds it.
I'm gathering that this is from his new exodus series on Daily Wire+
That is a very stupid argument
I would love to hear the entire interview. Is it posted anywhere?
I think it's part of the exodus series
its like a hour long have fun
This is what I did on my deathbed. I couldn’t breathe, and was leaving my body, and I asked in my mind to be brought back to be in service to God. The next second, I could breathe.
And that proves?
damn then all other Christians died for nothing
It was nice of God to change his grand, perfect plan after you asked him to. I thought he wad omnipotent and omniscient though....didn't he know you didn't want to die before you asked him?
and this is why i think ppl who believe in god on this app are bots farming likes and illiterate ppl who believe anything they hear
yes. yes he did. but God gave us free will. he let us have a choice. because what is love, if you don't have control over it? and he chose to deticate his life to God. and so he was given the chance to perfect his holy spirit and soul. and the chance to help other to repent and preach the gospel. repent my friend. believe in Jesus. and admit that you are a sinner. God bless you @@cl34ve
Exactly, you don't need to enter into one of many religious groups. Just be the best person you can and have respect for others, that's all.
Where did Jesus say this?
@cruzlater5178 I said it, that's all. And I didn't even try to brainwash you in the process. Cheers and good luck Kiddo 👍🏻
I agree, but many muslims or christians will tell you that you need to follow there believes or you deserve to be punished for eternity.
@@Thedoctorlee999
You have it all backwards.
The muslim god is a hateful slave master that kills anyone who disagrees with him, whereas YHWH the one true God is love, truth, beauty, logic, science, just and merciful.
The truth is that by knowing YHWH God in this life you benefit from His love and grace in this life and the next. The negative consequence of rejecting God is eternal hell, which is simply a state without God’s goodness - your own free choice.
It is no different to breathing. Breathe and you enjoy life. Don’t breathe and you suffocate. It is your free choice.
God loves you and me and requires me to share this good news with you for your sake.
@@TheBarser
You have it all backwards.
The muslim god is a hateful slave master that kills anyone who disagrees with him, whereas YHWH the one true God is love, truth, beauty, logic, science, just and merciful.
The truth is that by knowing YHWH God in this life you benefit from His love and grace in this life and the next. The negative consequence of rejecting God is eternal hell, which is simply a state without God’s goodness - your own free choice.
It is no different to breathing. Breathe and you enjoy life. Don’t breathe and you suffocate. It is your free choice.
God loves you and me and requires me to share this good news with you for your sake.
Word vomit. There is no God.
God is like a prank caller threatening to bomb your house.
God is that which keeps you going after your house gets blown up.
Whats with the irony😂 what a boomer
God is what prevents your house from been blown up by living moral life
So you admit God exist….
@@jdos5643I don't fear God. I fear his increasingly deranged followers, to who his existence isn't very relevant
I feel the same way about Superman except I don't see his back
The God's true changes everywhere and everyone who is his presence!
Neither superman can make all.
God's loves never fail!
I saw Jesus Christ after being anointed. The Great I Am is the still small voice.
The art of saying everything but explaining NOTHING !!
I have a very intimate relationship with God....in that he loves to sodimize me all the time. Lol.
I believe in free speech but^=🖤
Praying for a supernatural face to face encounter with God for Jordan Peterson, and everyone reading this comment.
Tell that to all the people being murdered every day, oh wait... you can't :)
@@ocrisem2741 hopefully they have asked God into their hearts, and said out loud that Jesus is Lord of their life, then they will conquer death and live in eternity with Him and all the believers who have gone before them!
Nicely articulated.
Too many people pray to the "divine butler" rather than seeking personal improvement.
Others insist that the inherent disconnect between God and human suffering is evidence of a failed butler.
Exactly. Pray to change yourself, not God. It’s amazing how people who say God is perfect and unchanging also think if they pray enough, he’ll do something he otherwise wouldn’t have done.
That's his problem. All Jordans thoughts always cycle to self improvement. Like Ron l Hubbard he's intelligent but he's constantly Projecting his own internal struggle of schizophrenia onto the world. The question was how do you prove God not what is beneficial in relation to God.
@@SAK1855 There's no god. Pray is history's first attempt at a self pep talk.
@@heresjohnny602 And? All the more reason not to want divine gifts that come from nowhere.
@@heresjohnny602 Jordan does not suffer from schizophrenia.
The notion that we all die and that life is full of struggles is self evident. The idea that humans create meaning in their life based on a higher purpose is psychological 101. Defining that higher purpose is an individual excersise, and Jordan postulates that we sometimes conceptualise that as God.
L Ron Hubbard started a cult based on his Sci-Fi writing. He was absolutely not anything like Jordan.
Never seen/heard/felt God. Studied christianity religion fro 13 years. God is just bs.
By ‘ hints ‘ he means poor evidence but then JP has never been that bothered by real evidence
For example ……?
I grew up very anti-religious, the cliche angsty teen thinking themselves smarter and wiser than all the others. Then I came to see the importance and depth of what I was discounting out of ignorance and arrogance and being raised by public schools and TV. Now I've reached a point where I'm actively seeking to believe, but I'm finding difficult to know what to search for, or even how to search.
try orthodox meme squad
Listen to Scott Hahn, John Bergsma, Trent Horn, Bryan Mercier, then pray to Our Lord Jesus.
We all have seen the these hints of God, he is everywhere. Ask for more, he will reveal more. Ask him to take the scales off of your eyes. He will show himself, to the degree that you can handle, again and again.
"Now I've reached a point where I'm actively seeking to believe" Lol. Why? Surely you'd have to have something happen that makes you believe instead of looking for something you know isn't there.
If you are searching I would say to read Luke, and then read Acts. You will learn about who God is and what He did for us and wants from us. I like the NLT for casual reading. If anything catches your eye and you feel like God might be reaching for you then keep on reading the New Testament brother. Start there.
If by “the best argument for the existence of god” you mean “the worst argument for the existence of god” then you’re right
People sound so smart so smart untill they start talking about god
Keep searching you have all the pieces . You just need to recognize the assembled picture
Sure you can know God, just like you can know someone, by communication.
Please may I request that you attempt to communicate with God and see what happens. I have tried it several times, with no result. I sure as hell (pardon the pun) do not ‘know God’.
All I can say is once you suspend disbelief you start seeing Him everywhere.
You described a deluded mind perfectly.
@@keesdenheijer7283 Not exactly. In this life you are free to believe whatever you want, but after this life you will see things as they are.
@@ryanblais6208
"After this life you will see things as they are."
How do you know?
@@keesdenheijer7283 well, I don’t, but how about we make a bet, if I’m right you have to buy me Starbucks in the afterlife.
@@ryanblais6208That’s all babble that has never been proven.
Some of the most basic apologetics, just reworded and re-branded. Ultimately, incredibly weak.
You see his heart by your doing his work on earth
Damn where the link be for the full vid? This convo be bussin y’all fr and I was so absorbed by the discussion at hand that the abrupt cut ending of the clip took me aback.
The sheer narcissistic audacity of a creator entity to put the onus of belief in it's existence on its creation while willfully denying sufficient evidence while simultaneously holding a metaphysical gun to their heads would make the most ardent serial killer blush.
Do you have really comprehensive vocabulary or did you just spam the middle botton?
The arrogance and narcissistic temerity for a human being with a limited cognitive compacity to even ponder this type of thought would make the most ardent serial killer blush.
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@@justjoking5252 if you too dumb to read just say so 😂
What would be sufficient evidence for you?
Yup. I know. I think. He might probably exist... But not as in the way people claim Him to be... If He does exist, then my experience from Him so far has been...
Thank You Jordan I feel The Same Exact Way 💯
That using big words will disguise the fact that there’s no god?
I think I awoken my third eye hearing this .
Just WOW!
In order to understand God, we need to think on a higher plane of understanding. We are thinking on the basest of planes. What we need, is more eyes. Let there be eyes that are granted to us. Plant eyes on our brains, to cleanse our beastly idiocy.
What a load of rubbish. There's no apparent argument put forth here behind that "ladder to the divine". He just sounds exactly like an average preacher. Pointless.
The exodus series is so good…needs to be released to Public for free after awhile. People need to watch
Who writes it?
@@salesveranda2372 exodus is a series on the Daily Wire of Jordan Peterson and several other academics discussing Exodus.
Tha you
DonYou have a link
I think indium’s it but it does appear I am required to pay?
Bruh you can feel God
it's your brain that gives that simulations to you.
@@aliaking23 Praise God for how He designed me!
The guy just knows how to talk nonsense using English and convince he is knowledgeable. That must be some skill.
Your words says a lot about you , 🙂 so plz keep your mouth stop
huh? what he said was perfectly coherent. Maybe if you had an attention span superior to that of a fly you could keep up.
@@documenter1199 coherent my ass
@@documenter1199 maybe if ur brain and his brain were larger than a peanut you would realize god and jesus are real and even a simple search proves this. every scholary source uses the bible as a guide when studying history because its so accurate and valid, look at the old testament. jesus was a real person who led a revolt, now whether or not he came back to life (maybe I believe so) is up to you, but jesus was real, look around u god exists and is a creator, an architect. may god have mercy on your poor empty souls. I wonder if the way you were raised, your parents, your IQ, all of it explains why your atheists. very interesting
He’s a boring scam artist.
I’m an agonist and a deist. I’m uncertain of the god’s existence. If the god were to exist why should we worship it? To me, believing one’s existence and worshipping it is a different thing.
A rebirth. It's as if everything I thought was right became wrong. A new strength of light. A path of truth. My heart became over contentment with warmth
You can't understand God but you can feel His Love. And then you know that He exist.
I don’t feel gods love. I feel live from people around me
This is just ‘feels’ - not evidence
all i feel in this world is misery and suffering
what does God’s love feel like? that’s not even something people can collectively agree on
As a Christian, I believe that we may come to 'know' God through Jesus Christ💜
To say this is the best argument for the existence of God is a preposterous exaggeration
I don't believe in God neither do I "serve people" yet I find my life meaningful. What he's describing isn't the only way to find meaning but just one way(when done properly), hence I find it hard to see how this is a strong argument for the existence of God in the first place, let alone the strongest when all it does is explaining how the belief in God can be meaningful when done properly(when you're "an agent of the divine will")which is something we've known for ages.
I mean if it's the case that God is the only meaning then it would be nihilistic to say that God doesn't exist
However, everyone has their truths and own sense of purpose which they derive from their own life experiences so you can't tell someone that their life is meaningless because they don't hold the same beliefs you hold especially whilst not proving that your meaning is the only meaning (which is clear in Peterson's case where he asserted -not argued because he was making assertions without proof- that if you change the way you think of God you will find meaning-which might be true-, and that other meanings are "one step in the ladder of the divine"-which is narrow-minded to put it mildly- )
Man Jordan Peterson never fails to disappoint
Yes. All you have to do to shut his argument up is to ask to give you a response that is not an assertion. All creationists have is assertions.
And still didn't refute anything he said.
"We created him, we can kill him" - Albert Einstein
If we assume god is just a phrase or concept, although i am not sure you can easily kill a concept. we can still see which lives longer the name of einstein or the concept of god, i bet on god
@@justinthelegend8399 bruh XD
That impossible if you even think God exist according to deductive ontological argument he exist and if we even created a idea of God that doesn't mean he can't exist and if these are our ideas than it would imply to your own idea
@@razagamerofficial1859 dont bring weak ass arguments in here, ontological assumes existance, get that priori shit out of here.
The statement is what it is. It does not imply existence. The fact is that we created the ideas behind 'God' and we can unmake him in the public eye. It is only a matter of time.
LOL, imagine thinking deductive ontological arguments are sound and not a fallacy, I'm literally crying from laughter here XD
Einstein wasn’t an athiest though….
This is like that episode on South Park where they sniff they’re own farts and go “ahhhh”
Their*
@@miiguel3550 😂😂😂
This is an intelligent conversation, not south park. Do you sniff gods fart when you pray? 😂
Idk therefore God
This man is so wise
WIsE mAn
- Here you have;
> Wishful thinking wrapped in ignorance, warping logic to suit its inclinations.
What a small dark world full of ignorance, mysticism and superstition these theists inhabit.
Pretty sounding word salad without a shred of proof or logical argument. Just wishful thinking and feelings.
That’s…. Not a paradox.
You know you’d think for a guy that stresses being specific and accurate in his language as a personal guide, that he’d never use phrases like “in some sense”, yet in every video I’ve ever seen of his he does it.
My dude is trying to be an amalgamation of Jung and C.S. Lewis and yet doesn’t seem to understand that while they both loved and were influenced but Goethe, they would both end up heavily disagreeing on each other’s takes, even if they didn’t realize it in life.
Oh and I really suspect this is the kind of guy would believe Nietzsche and Hume were secretly Christians.
Peterson is at best a Sparknotes philosopher snd at worst a self help guru pretending to be a scientist.
Jordan Peterson is an intelligent man, but he's falls victim to the assumption of agency in human action. I know there are a lot of believers out there who think because Jordan believe something, it must be true - but I would evaluate the simplicity of his statement for assume there's a God out there. Which God? Which religion? Jordan makes enormous leap From recognizing that good people do good things for others, to seeing the invisible hand behind the actions in service to a religion or a god. This isn't logic, it's wishful thinking. Peace.
You can know god trough Jesus, build a relationship with Jesus, the king of kings, son of god.
There is absolutely NO "argument" anywhere to be found in this.
This is nothing but an excuse to get around having to face the simple fact that all attempts to find a real hint that indicates that something god like actually exists _failed_ . For thousands of years. Endless attempts. What has been found? Nothing but claims, preaching, tap dancing.
People who advocates god often use terms or aguments in such a way that forcefully implies God. JP is also doing the same thing, creating some conditions in his mind(as if he is the one to know god personally) and sais if you do this then you are getting signals from god, or even if you are an atheist but fulfills the condition that means you are also going towards god but you dont know it. He is behaving less like an academician and more like a cunning preacher in a religious environment using polished but illogical words to manipulate masses who wants to believe god.
*It`s almost impossible for a person, as for a thinking entity, to accept the fact that nothing is having sence and that the Universe is just a random nonsence occasion. A person cannot accept and live with the thought that he is an error and he is living for nothing. That`s why nihilism as a conception of mind is destructive. It may create an illusion of freedom and opportunity to do everything you want because God doesn`t exist in that way, but you still are going to be unhappy in the end. The pleasure will end sooner or later and you are going to be enormously disappointed. Only belief in God and the sence of everything existing can make your life happy, full and filled. Moreover, God can be an object that gives you endless energy and if you don`t believe in God and live as you wish, the only person you can rely on is you. That`s why being a nihilist is obviously hard, especially when your life is shit.*
P.S. My opinion.
You can know God, read His word. There are mysteries of God, sure but God's word describes who He is! The reason why you can't see God is because you will die! But God reveals Himself in creation and in the bible.
An all powerful god could easily prove he exists. Use the universe existing laws to show and prove he exists, instead of using the one country for that one person in that one area 2000 years ago and just letting people wing it.
Because that sums up every religion in existence. And all in their own special regions and areas and their special people. The olympians, sumerians, egyptians, norse, etc...
The same story over and over
Agnosticism
Why is Peterson so methodical, calculated, and strict with his words when it comes to things he doesn’t agree with, but the second it’s about his cherished beliefs he all of a sudden has to talk in extremely confusing language?
For someone who criticized postmodernism relentlessly, he acts like a postmodernist when he talks about god…how ironic.
Worst argument for got ever lmao:
"Oh, you dont know what gods like? Well be more like god!"
Tried to read through the comments here , but it was like listening to these two . Word salad . The irrefutable fact here is that NOBODY knows how or why we came to be on this planet. People can speculate and experiment and come to theoretical conclusions ( science) or they can wave all that and take a stance on believing the Bible , Qaran or any of the multiple different texts ( religions), makes no difference whatsoever nobody knows for sure , and unless something happens during your lifetime to change that why worry about it . The only way I'd be convinced "god" exists is for him / her / it to come down in person or whatever form , and demonstrate what he / she / it is . There are so many religions what makes people who believe in the god of the bible right . If you only believe in the bible , your an atheist too in the eyes of those who believe in other texts . These discussions are pointless , just get on with your lives , believe what you want , and be the best you can be .
You can know God. Look at his son. The intellect dissects but the spirit discerns. Can the invention prove the Inventor or does the Inventor prove the invention?? If you need proof to believe it is because of pride, selfish desire, or hate. Pride is the root is selfishness which is the cause of all human suffering and poverty so it is written, humble thyself, deny thyself. Instead of seeking proof you should be seeking truth which is easier to find and found easily in the words of yeshua. The more you empty yourself from what this world has placed in you and the more you follow the words of yeshua the more filled with the spirit of God you become. He will show you great and hidden things but your creator will not be revealed to nor will God dwell in a vessel that indulges in such inequity as pride or selfish desire . Seek and you will find. Knock and it will be opened to you. Only those with an ear to hear will hear but without humility one can listen but never hear. There's no room for pride or selfish desire in a kingdom where all things are one as all glory righteously belongs to God.