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Favorite lines for each of the two in this fight.
Giorno: Sciocci fantasmi! My dreams aren't yours to take.
Joker: Maybe you didn’t hear me before. Checkmate.
Joker's line here becomes a lot funnier once you realize that he first said "checkmate" while under the effects of GE's life giving punch, meaning that Giorno _literally_ didn't hear him before (since Joker only _imagined_ himself saying it)
@@Emmariscobar Yep
Dude literally won with the power of friendship and this gun he found. Absolute madlad.
yeah sort of, but the entire power of friendship bit is completely for cinematics, joker could've avoided that with 'Enduring Soul' which revives him.
*Prop gun
Vernias reference, I see
Jojo as a whole tends to be treated the same way as Dragonball in terms of scaling against other verses. Everyone thinks Jojo characters can mop up the floor with everything when pitting them against other characters because yes, their abilities are insanely broken, the same way people feel about Dragonball's characters and their insane strength. The problem is that people tend to overlook that sheer spectacle and small summaries of powers and abilities don't end the argument of who wins a fight, rather it just gives us a baseline for how it starts. Persona characters, Wild Cards in particular, can turn their will power into real power. Most of the major antagonists of Persona games are gods that were quite literally born out of the collective human unconscious. Persona users are simply the concentrated form of that same power, the same power that can birth gods of death, truth and control. That and the same power literally turned an ordinary person into a reality warping god in Persona 5 Royal. In terms of Jojo versus Persona, its not nearly as in favor of the former as people like to believe
Yeah, Jojo character’s powers are busted a lot of the time compared to their own verse, but pit them against an OP character from another verse and the Jojo character is gonna lose more times than not.
Here’s even a comparison thing I made for this episode.
Joker (Winner):
+Vastly outstats in all areas
++SMT scaling makes him outstat even more
+Heavily outhaxes
+Far more and especially better spiritual protectors
+Joker's sheer number of Personas will eventually overwhelm Giorno
+Far more unpredictable
+Has fought vastly deadlier foes than Giorno
+Has numerous ways to counter the effects of GER'S RTZ, one of which is simply existing
+Destroying any of his Personas doesn't kill him
+IQ
=Both can see each other's spiritual protectors
-Combat IQ
-Generally less creative by comparison
Giorno Giovanna (Loser):
+Combat IQ
+Generally more creative by comparison
=Both can see each other's spiritual protectors
-Vastly inferior in all stats regardless of SMT scaling being given to Joker or not
-Gets heavily outhaxed
-Far fewer and especially worse spiritual protectors
-Joker's sheer number of Personas will eventually overwhelm Giorno
-Far less unpredictable
-Joker has fought vastly deadlier foes than Giorno
-Joker has numerous ways to counter the effects of GER'S RTZ, one of which is simply existing
-Joker would eventually figure out all of Giorno's arsenal options
-Destroying Giorno's spiritual protector means he dies, unlike Joker
-IQ
While Giorno wasn’t _completely_ outclasssed in terms of advantages, the ones he had legitimately didn’t matter cause Joker heavily outstatted and outhaxed, had far too many Personas for him to deal with (each with their own powers, meaning Giorno would have a very hard time figuring all of them out before the fight ends) and, most importantly, had numerous ways around GER’s RTZ power, a power Joker has canonically seen and dealt with before. There was literally nothing Giorno could do here except die.
Out of the popular JoJo Vs Persona Death Battles I've seen, I think only Rohan Vs Yusuke is a JoJo win.
While I agree with Joker Vs. Giorno... Cmon Bardock should've beaten Omni-man... giving Bardock Super Saiyan kinda does that... he would've lost otherwise sure... but the scaling sorta should do that... while Bardock almost died blowing up a planet with 4 others Super Saiyans have been shown as powerful as Frieza in the namek arc... in which that Frieza is Star level... meanwhile we have the cringe invincible character where the creators are toxic and hate DC comics...but ya know by PFP you're a Sonic fan who have more unreasonable scaling then Dragon Ball fans... why do i even bother
@@thisisanickname231 You mean Yu Narukami?
@@Samfry523 No, Yusuke from Persona 5.
Yu has his own popular matchup that he wins (Yu Vs Josuke)
Persona is so much higher scaled than anything in Jojo's because it's part of SMT
They didn’t use any SMT scaling at all. Everything they used in the analysis was feats and statements from Persona *specifically*.
@@Appl3forPFP they did they used smt if
This is why I'd chose Persona powers over Stand powers
cause one specific persona is stronger than a stand?
@@weelolol Literally almost any persona can annihilate giorno, in fact Alice's "Die For Me" should've killed him since giorno has no resistance to that, but it's for cinematics.
Lemme name a few, Shiva has Tandava, it's an almighty attack that rewrites and destroys the entire universe outside the field of time. Metatron is literally the scribe of YHVH (Yahwei), he basically has rtz and could imagine or just flick his finger against giorno and he would cease to exist due to his divinity that surpass all archangels. Lucifer, he's capable of the morning star, which giorno has zero resistances against.
Astaroth, Lilith, Michael, Raphael, Uriel, Gabriel, Baal, Beelzebub, Samael, Baphomet, Azrael, Kali, Ishtar etc etc. the list goes on and on.
Im a big fan of jojo, caught up with jojolands, so im not biased, but persona scales far higher than jojo.
@@weelolol
Most Persona’s dogwalk most stands
This is the fact that any decent persona with almighty magic/skills beat the Strongest Stand.
Also omnipotence orb nullifies the entire argument.
But yeah Satanael was just a kindness. Michael, Lucifer, Satanael, are all capable of dog walking the fight, but Izanagi no Okami Picaro makes this a joke. Myriad Truths and Country Maker? Yeesh let alone with almighty amp, almighty boost, a passive for increasing magic/skill power, insta heal, magic ability, victory cry, and two more slots. Plus omnipotence orb? Literally nothing could be done.
Also Persona 3 and 5 confirm that these powers can be used in the real world. So even the “only in the metaverse” argument doesn’t work.
4:08 Thats Mara, a demon king in Buddhism and Hinduism who had attempted to lead the Buddha away from Enlightment through temptation, including having his daughters dance and strip in his presence
5:35 For clarification (in short): your homeroom teacher, Sadayo Kawakami, moonlights as a maid to make ends meet
By the way, the storyboards confirm that the real world version of Giorno outside the metaverse had his cognitive shutdown negated by GER, meaning that both of them technically survived this battle.
Well that’s good. Means Joker won and escaped without breaking his morals
The animation cut that out because it wouldn't make sense.
People crying that Jojo characters always lose conveniently forget Dio beat Alucard
@@TheJoelMH And Jonathan beat Tanjiro
Ironic considering that Dio himself is the biggest reason Giorno lost. xD
Wait, how did Dio have to do with Giorno's loss?
@@jordanhunter3375 You watched the episode, right?
@@jordanhunter3375 Didn't you watch the breakdown? Dio's World Over Heaven bypassed Giorno's Stand ability, giving Joker the edge considering his ultimate Persona has a similar ability to bypass universe overwriting abilities.
What's more crazy than JOJO crazy? It's Shin Megami Tensei crazy
JOJO for the pure absurdity factor, SMT for everything else involving actual scaling bs
As soon as I found out they were using smt stuff I knew it was checkmate.
SMT is crazy for powerscaling, but JoJo is crazier in terms of storytelling
@@wonderofu230 Jojo doesn't have good story, it's just absurd and fun, that's what makes jojo good. There's no way you read up to part 8 of jojo and thought jojo has a really good story.
SMT imo is better in story since it's a lot more philosophical and questions the fundamentals of creation.
@ I highly doubt you read/watched JJBA if that’s how you draw the conclusion. The philosophy in parts 5-8 (and potentially part 9) are a lot more stronger and grounded than anything between SMT and persona
Part 5 was about overcoming fate, part 6 was about generation curse (or can be interpreted as generational trauma), part 7 was about fatherhood, part 8 - Motherhood, and part 9? Siblinghood
Funnily enough, while some say that World over Heaven negative feat wasn't canon, DB could have used SMT scaling, which IS canon as Altus confirmed the two series work in tandem.
To make a very long story short, SMT demons can run the ones with CA Superman.
Oh hell nah y’all getting too cocky if u involving DC into this
@@wonderofu230YHWY Is basically the one above all. As he is the Judeochristian god.
@@generalgarchomp333 A title is nothing compared to the actual media of the Bible. That’s equivalent to saying that because JoJo has a biblical reference of Jesus Christ, it can dog walk marvel (which it can’t)
@@wonderofu230 I was using the closest thing I can think of. I doubt anything SMT can reach the level of tomfoolery that comes from Marvel or DC, but there's nothing close in anime or video games that comes to "the weakest demon distorts the laws of reality with their presence and shatters multiverses with the weakest spell."
@ Yogiri’s instant death ability would clear SMT
So I guess we can say Nate “didn’t see it coming?”
That “4th” thing is a Mista joke XD
Why are their people saying JoJo characters never win what about Jonathan and Dio
Never been so happy to for a Death Battle winner than Joker winning this. Persona 5 is my favorite game of all time and seeing Joker win was the best. While I don't care to get to far into the toxic cesspool this matchup is in the vs community where the winner is all up to interpretation of each character's Haxs. I've seen more time than not, that Joker should win off him being a Trickster that defies everything, even death/getting erased from existence. Not to mention "Sinful Shell" description "A bullet made from the 7 Deadly Sins that can pierce even a god" which took down reality warpers like the false god of control Yaldabaoth. So all in all, outside of using an anti feat with the Jojo's game, I still agree and super happy with this outcome. Incredibly animated fightand and an awesome episode, ya never saw it coming!
What anti-feat?
The anti feat game thing is also where they get the idea that GER scales to made in heaven. So it's more of a buff then an anti feat.
For Bowser vs Eggman:
In terms of armies. Both characters can have anyone that formally has worked or would be willing to work
for them. Bowser obviously can have Goombas and his kids,
but not Antasma because they weren't really allies. Conversely Eggman can have his robots or metal
copies, but not Shadow or Knuckles.
Both are also allowed to have artillery or armadas
Like the Egg Fleet and Wooden Ships.
No Archie or Kun
Both characters are focusing mostly on the games.
This means all platformers, all RPGs, all spin offs, etc.
Stuff like IDW and various shorts also count.
Both can have any weapons or mcguffins they've used in their careers, even those people would argue
where one time or non standard.
Paper Mario and any non papery ability counts,
though expect mainly the original trilogy.
Eggman can have anything he's personally invented btw
Two things I have to say to this; one is that by this logic, Eggman should be able to have Infinite on his side since he was working for him both before and after he obtained the Phantom Ruby and there is no real evidence that Infinite was planning to betray him at all.
Second, including the RPG games and then saying that they're using stuff that Paper Bowser had are kind of contradictory since Paper Jam Bros shows that Bowser and Paper Bowser are two different people from different universes.
A funny and curious fact. Joker in this fight animation wasn't even in 50% of his full power. If he bring up the 12 end game personas (all on god power level) it would be a total bully wipe out. And no Giorno isn't weak, the characters of Persona are broken a lot.
What are the end game Personas for 5? Just wondering so that I can work on a good team for New Game + in Royal
@jefferyoneill1 the end game personas Satanael, Metatron, Lucifer, Satan, Alice, Yoshitsune, Izanagi Ookami-Picaro, Messiah-Picaro, if you had those you're great to go and beat the shit on almost every boss... i think they didn't put Joker with those for a fair match up. If Joker sumon Izanagi Ookami- Picaro then heat rise and start spaming concentrate and Myriad Truths would be a massacre on Giorno boy...
I wish Chad was here. I know he loves Persona.
17:50 me when the typical jrpg god killing main character kills the street lvl manga mc with 1 feat that becomes more fodder each time it's shown:
😱😱😱 Who saw this coming
I’m excited for the next fight we’re finally getting another Army Battle by the looks of it
6:02 The reason you probably saw Nick with Kawakami alot is cause she basically gives extra time in the day if Im remembering right
Yeah, the reward for reaching Rank 10 in her Confidant is the ability to get a massage and allow yourself to do things at night after visiting a Palace/Mementos. Pretty nifty, and with lax requirements to boot - you can reasonably obtain it around the third Palace or so.
Great reaction man just pure silence snd stuffing your face lmao
Seeing The Name Akira was the most satisfying part of Joker's analysis for me
Seeing you clean shaven and not with a coviewer is like watching a different channel
21:57 Technically you were right to assume that Giorno would win because the fighting game that was mentioned is technically not canon so that would make it that Giorno would have won in the sense that if you not include the fighting game but also include that when Giorno beat up Joker that Giorno would have won at that point because i don't think that Joker would be able to think that fast to be able to counter Golden Experience Requiem because G.E.R. can act independently from the user like Death Battle said. That is my two cents on it but yeah to be fair it could have gone in Joker's way to win but personally from what i have mentioned that Giorno would have probably won.
Columbo: Do I think that Mr Amamiya is behind the psychic shenanigans going on around here? No, sir, I don't. He's a good kid, they all are. *he just saw them expose a p-do in the Metaverse*
Did he really say nothing during the fight Up until the death, wow what a great reactor just staying silent during the whole thing
Do you really want some unnecessary over reaction
What, do you want him to fake it?
Or stop every few seconds to make some commentary? Because he does do that sometimes.
@@shadoww6230 what i want IS doing something more or saying something more about the video other than just sitting there eating
@@mdalsted i want an actual reaction and not just some Guy eating
About the Shin Megami Tensei canon to Persona thing, does that apply to every SMT and Persona out there or just this specific ones (SMT If and Persona 5)?
Well from my understanding, Persona is a Spin-Off of Shin Megami Tensei, an alternate universe where the first SMT game didn’t happen, and according to a Reddit post, only SMT IF, the Persona series, and the Devil summoner series (and potentially Catherine but that one is a lot more iffy) are canon, but technically things in SMT can be used if they don’t contradict events, statements, or actions in the Persona universe, sort of like using Eyes of Heaven for Giorno since nothing in the main source material (JoJo Manga he’s from) contradicts it.
i liked this battle it was nice for getting the bad taste out of my mouth after how they messed up the last one looking forward to Bowser vs Eggman
1:38
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SUCH A COOL FIGHT! I thought Giorno was gonna win there for a second! Hyped for Bowser vs. Eggman!
Yeah it was obvious Joker was going to slam
Joker winning was the most obvious outcome. I'm not sure why you are surprised.
Are you doing good mate? You were a lot less talkative today, and the video ended up a lot shorter than they usually are.
Probably having a quiet day
even if some people disagree with the result of the match-up. The whole debate leading up to the episode was messy, which was why everyone was trying to hone their expectation because really this debate is heavily "up to interpretation" and its just that many people after seeing the death battle agree with the interpretation that Joker would win.
For real, like, I went into this video having played pretty much every game relating to Persona 5 and not knowing a thing about Jojo's besides Stands and yet the comments were the things to inform me that Giorno's Stand can't create life in Sub-Zero temperatures... even though they used that in the fight, they somehow didn't mention it pre or post battle analysis.
20:57 STM/Persona scaling goes crazy
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Did someone say something about delicious pancakes
Best part of this is all the crying GER fanboys, easily some of the most toxic Jojo fans out there.
TBh the Jojo fanbase seemed chill about this from what I’ve seen
@@somedude9450 As a whole yes, but take it from personal experience there are some A holes
@@AmericanBrit9834 That’s every fandom lmao
you know the only ''drama'' i have seen is nuxanor making clickbait titles
@@somedude9450 And many of “those fans” are GER fanboys who will never shut up about how unbeatable he is.
Good thing Ben isn't on this channel anymore
I heard he passed away recently
.........wait fr
@ManCaptainPokey that's what I heard online. Not sure if it's true or not.
The way they decided on Giorno’s loss was kinda eh. They use the anti-feat from Eyes of Heaven when GER fought against DOH, but also use a clip of GER nullifying MIH in that same game to scale him to Pucci. Do you know what other stands were in that game? Valentine’s D4C, and Tusk Act 4. Both stands are affected by GER in that same game, yet they don’t bring it up here. By scaling GER to those same stands, it gets much higher. Also, I’ve seen some arguments for Joker casting status ailments on Giorno, but if Eyes Is Heaven is being used, one of GER’s moves ‘There’s No Road Ahead For You’ explicitly states the following: This ability can be activated even if Giorno is being hit or is caught in a combo with any attack that is not a Dual Combo Finish or DHA. *It is also capable of curing him of any afflicted status ailments upon activation.*
They did also not use most of the smt scaling for joker as well, smt horribly written compared to jojo but is absurdly more powerful.
But this is right since if this logic is used then base jotaro should be able overwrite reality since he did that in eoh.
Are you feeling okay man? You probably just got a hairct, but you look a little sick.
1:37
Na giorno win
Cope.
Cry
@@davidc. Na
@@jamesnall6462 na
@@CarlosBlanco-n1k someone fetch the copium, this guy needs a LOT
JOKER SHOULD HAVE LOST HE CAN'T BYPASS RETURN TO ZERO AND HE CAN'T ESCAPE THE INFINITE DEATH LOOP IF GER WERE A REALITY MANIPULATIONS STAND THEN MAYBE BUT IT'S A CAUSALITY STAND also if I'm correct (which I probably am) they also used a non-canon thing to downplay Giorno
cope, eyes of heaven may be non-canon, but it still had Araki's involvement with the story
cry about it
@@SuperMandibleclaw true but non-canon means non canon and Joker can't beat causality manipulation reality manipulation maybe but not causality and yes those are different things I prefer Persona 5 to JoJo's part 5 in every way aside from the anime adaptation and I'm including the protagonist Joker despite being a silent protagonist has infinity more personality than Giorno yet I'm removing my bias to tell the truth Giorno should have won the ONLY way Joker should win is if Giorno doesn't use Gold Experience Requiem
Well joker a trickster which he not affected affected by realty warping
The Non-Canon makes Giorno Multiversal. How is that downplay?
Plus, Joker has "Unshaken Will" which prevents his will to fight being altered or changed by Outside Forces like the Gods in Persona.