The funny part is that Joker was pretty much *universally* agreed to win. No one thought Giorno had a chance. In the G1 blog - the most respected scaling site on the internet - the members voted 11 to 1 in favor of Joker.
The main point of discussion was Revert to Zero. No one knew exactly if Joker could bypass it, or what interpretation of it DB would use. But the main fuel towards Sinful Shell bypassing RtZ is because of the Omnipotent Orb's description, and I guess no one really went looking for a random item's flavor text.
Reading the G1 blog was so funny this time. They had Joker being able to scale to 7D guys at minimum while being able to match and exceed GER's speed with like 7 win cons while Giorno had none
Joker cans Heal Be immune to physical Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
@@sanstheskeleton3766 trickster/fool arcana means that he constantly rebels against fate, meaning that rtz technically shouldnt even work since joker constantly changes fate all the time.
Granted, the conditions _are_ a lot more stringent, and for Joker, he effectively can't, as he has neither an Evoker nor the intense training to summon a Persona outside the Metaverse or similar areas without one.
It is also canon that Joker (from the real world) can take opponents into the Metaverse if they aren’t there already, at least that’s what Smash Bracket told me
Steven:"Not even the power of friendship is gonna help you. Get out of this fight." Joker:"Maybe you didn't understand the situation, Steven. The one who stomps in this fight isn't Giorno!"
Joker cans Heal Be immune to physical Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
@@sanstheskeleton3766 Satanael resists all types of attacks, except curse, which it absorbs. It also comes packed with Survival Trick, which would allow Joker to survive an ambush through time a second time from Requiem, and Tyrant's Mind which would add a bit more damage onto the Sinful Shell already. Joker with Satanael is strong af, and he isn't even the strongest persona user to exist (debatably)
What’s funny is that they lowballed the ever loving hell out of Joker. Joker not only has access to sinful shell, but he has access to several more almighty type moves, without even needing satanael. Joker also has skills that allow him to nullify, reflect, or absorb certain damage types, so if joker had null physical or a persona that nullified physical, then Giorno has no way of dealing any damage. You could argue that the damage reflection by GE giving life is almighty damage, but even then he has access to several types of healing spells, and has other skills that allow him to passively recover. I know that DB didn’t give him these things to make the fight seem “close”, but put some respect on my boy Joker and give him his actual skill set
satanael isnt summonable by joker by himself in canon. it literally takes all of tokyo to summon him. not to mention almight attacks are not reality warping attacks. they are NEVER said to be this reality destroying and warping ability, they can literally just straight up miss. this is just joker glaze. and this is coming from a pretty heavy smt stan. omnipotent orb is an item, not an ability. If that were the case, divine pillar would be something that reality warping doesnt touch because it halves all damage including almighty.
@@hunterjohnson7796I mean, Satanael becomes an accessible Persona you can get from the Velvet Room during the third semester, so youre just kinda wrong. Plus, even if you dont buy him being anle to use Sinful Shell the way they presented it, the World arcana gives him the power to do so at all times. Joker wins, case closed.
Thing is,if you played any of the Persona game, would understand just how broken a single basic persona could be,Personas are like pokemon for the main characters,there's lots of them,each of them with various powers and resistances,some of them are totally immune to some types of elements and attacks,some of them bounce back attack,some of them even straight up heal them selfs if they are attacked with something they absorb and in persona games,in the end,you always end up fighting a god ,and you end up defeating it with an attack so powerful it erases their existance
Basically Joker cans Heal Be immune to physical Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
Death battle left out the fact that joker is a trickster which is the reason why he was able to resist his will being drained from him by maruki and Yaldabaoth
Almighty attacks (Like Sinful Shell) bypass any kind of defense. Pretty sure thats why GER's arm went "sayonara" before both him and Giorno got vaporized
8:17 Oh, yeah, you can do that. The Homeroom teacher is a maid XD Word of advice in case you play Persona 5 or Persona 5 Royal, don't do the harem route.
@@killerqueen5633 Let's just say, if you go for every single girl. In Valentines Day, Let's just say you'll end up like these novels or movies where an unfaithful man has more than one girlfriend/wife...and in this case, 8 girls who are very upset with you. Use your imagination.
Being Trickster as it's own is already make Joker an anti GER because he immune/completely resistance to Causality Manipulation and RtZ is a Causality Manipulation power. Thus this fight is not even fair for Giorno
the beginning wasn't RtZ, it was Life Shot. Gold Experience didn't go Requiem, the background was blue, and you even see Joker return to his own body to feel the hit
Fun fact die for me is a move with a high instakill chance so that move would ether do nothing or end the fight right there and there’s two other high chance instakill moves
but they did specify it, THEY LITERALLY SAID DURING THE ANALYSIS THAT THE SINFUL SHELL CAN BYPASS ANY DEFENSE - ANY DEFENSE WOULD INCLUDE RETURN TO ZERO IF YOU USE YOUR BRAIN, steven why are you being intentionally dense?
Joker cans Heal Be immune to physical Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
@@Karmanara are you dumb? honestly, are you dumb? i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, reality warping is inherently a defense. so to put it in a way you should be able to understand: YOU CAN'T BE HIT IF YOU WARP REALITY TO AVOID IT, AVOIDANCE IS DEFENSE, AN ATTACK THAT GETS PAST ANY DEFENSE CAN NOT BE AVOIDED. it is common sense
@@flameknightdragon so you're just being intentionally dense and neglecting the fact sinfull shell can negate the effects of an item that is stated to nullify all damage except almighty - which is... yknow... what requiem does? even without the non canon game, that kind of power just is not something giorno can match
As other people have said already, Joker being at bare minimum universal, made it so Giorno had no wincon like what was he gonna do to Joker just tickle him to death. There were other ways to bypass the RTZ, a common one that I'm finally glad gained traction as its one of the most direct way was the fact that GER allowed Giorno to dominate fate, Joker easily changes fate and has no effect on him, making GER's main abilities useless as manipulating Joker's fate wouldn't get him anywhere. People also forget that causality manipulation is just a subset of time manipulation as the effects are similar to time travel though far more controlled and GER's ability fits the bill for it, Joker has statements that put him above time meaning that any changes in the flow of time wouldn't affect him at all. These reasons above are just scratching the surface, Joker wouldn't necessarily need Santanel to bypass it, in fact its the very definition of overkill.
It's the logic of 0 x 0 = 0 so to speak, and based on further stands that are actually more powerful than GER itself, namely D4C Love Train, Tusk Act 4, or even Wonder of U, the only way to defeat Joker is to hit him with something that doesn't exist.
@@virussviruss2266 Nope completely false, it was never outside of time to begin with, plus GER only reverted it once the ability itself was done, he never did it during the ability's run.
@@reflex9238 diavolo's ability is literally erasing the time. Araki himself states that there's no time during time erasure, so Diavolo is basically outside of time. Also, Diavolo himself said that it was time erasure which got reverted, ger did not revert it at the end of it. We don't even see it ending in the manga. Even if ger reverted time erasure only when the ability was done, it would mean that he has no access to outside of time, so during rtz we would never seen actions that occurred during time erasure being reverted. It would instantly move to time before Diavolo activates time erasure, because ger would have no access to what happened beyond time. Which is not what happened in the manga
@@virussviruss2266 Nope and I can confirm with 100% certainty that you're lying about Araki's statement as I have all the guidebooks physically. Heck Araki has said the opposite when looking at any description of King Crimson's ability he states that time is moved forward for other people and that they don't remember anything in between the time that Diavolo skipped, nothing in that description says anything about there being no time which should be obvious in that being a time stop ability and it'd just be Jotaro or DIO's ability, when its clearly not. Also to keep going on this point since you wanted to lie about what Araki has said, Araki has stated in JoJoveller that Diavolo is unable to attack during the activation of his ability, meaning that he'd have to wait after the skip to be able to attack or hit anything, which is true even in the manga where you see Diavolo is about to hit Giorno and gets stopped as he got closer, if it was during the ability he would've hit nothing and his fist would've just phased through Giorno and not even kill him, so yeah even Araki makes it clear it happened after Diavolo's ability.
Ok so it seems like there was quite a bit you didn't understand, let me explain what you missed 6:35 Yes Joker does have a significantly bigger boost in variety, but that doesnt mean he will lack any power. Each Persona has their own strengths and weaknesses, and technically every Persona can be maxed out in their stats, so even a basic ass persona like Pixie can have stats maxed out and dish out devastating damage, that isnt even accounting for the lore accurate powers of some other Personas that are literal gods like Thor, Odin, Vishnu, Satan, Beelzebub, Archangel like Raphael, Gabriel, Michael, Conceptual entities like Hatsur, Jack Frost (yes this fella is OP), and the ultimate Personas simply embody this power factor like Luficer, Alice (a demon canonically feared by 80% of SMTs demons, and mf Satanael. They all have various ranges of power whether they are basic or legendary gods. 9:00, for one, Giorno cant, second that doesnt matter as not only does Joker have means of pulling him back in or even simply retreating to the Velvet Room, but Personas can be summoned outside the Metaverse, while difficult is still possible. 24:50 they did, it was barely baseline Faster then Light with Jokers at minimum millions times faster then light and while not outright said, can reach immeasuable due to the nature of the Velvet Room existing beyond time and space 25:25 ok so this is something DB probably mispoke on. Joker WAS immune to the changes Maruki did across existence, shifting reality through Causality. My immune i mean unlike everyone whose lives were altered and they didnt notice the changes, Joker along with Akechi were the only 2 who realized that the world has changed in a weird way. One of the endings is Joker accepting the change, however that still shows Joker is immune to Causality and fate being changed. 25:32 they did, however each persona is uniquely powerful in their oen right, but they went over the typical line personas cross that scale, such as Lucifers Morning Star, Big Bang Burger, etc. 26:30 at 9:25 they explained how Almighty Attacks are basically the ultimately government of law, destruction. All that is hit by it have no choice but to face a demise beyond death. This force can bypass defenses that rewrite reality itself via The Omnipotent Orb bending reality itself to grant absolute immunity to all attacks. That basically already tells you that an ability that can alter reality through Causality wont work on an attack that ignores the laws of reality. Remember the gun analogy, RTZ can make it so you never fired the gun, Sinful Shell before and after it is fired will never be reset because no matter what it will always be in motion.They dont have to outright say that weakness word-by-word as that is the point of the post-analysis
First you earned yourself a sub from me you are also correct in assuming these points Joker is Indeed from Persona 5 as well as the other Persona 5 games in 5 Royal which is like a definitive edition, 5 Strikers and 5 Tactica. Giorno is indeed the son of Dio and is the JoJo(or GioGio as the nickname is more commonly put as) of Part 5 Golden Wind There are 9 or so JoJos now Part 1 Phantom Blood, Part 2 Battle Tendency, Part 3 Stardust Crusaders, Part 4 Diamond is Unbreakable, Part 5 Golden Wind, Part 6 Stone Ocean, Part 7 Steel Ball Run, Part 8 JoJolion and as of right now Part 9 JoJolands
The best thing about Joker is that he could have easily won with just reflect physical lol. There are personas that drain melee damage too and mixed bag of bs lol.
I’m a bigger fan of Persona than JoJo but I actually thought Giorno would win because Gold Experience Requiem power is BS but I didn’t know that Ren/Joker was even more BS
Let me give you a list of what they didn't do or say Joker cans Heal Be immune to physical Joker is broken Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
On one hand has Bowser is a terrifyingly powerful powerhouse. On another hand, Eggman’s cunningness might get him, plus he has Metal Sonic and Sage on his side.
That's one of those fights that I don't think happens because of the nature of the characters. Goku would have to know about Joker and the metaverse, and unless Goku had a Palace, Joker wouldn't be interested in going against him.
So the story for the game Eyes Over Heaven was written by Jojo creator Araki while it takes place in the Greater Jojo Multiverse. Hope that clears up any confusion you may have.
- The Persona 5 games have actually shown multiple times that Persona users can prevent outright willpower negation (and similar effects, like having Desires extracted) - but I guess having Confidant connections to anchor Joker also helps. - Uh, yeah, the pharmaceutical trials and maid/teacher are long stories in and of themselves. - Sinful Shell isn't the only Almighty skill, of course. There's Life Drain, Megido, Stagnant Air, Lucifer's Morning Star, and so on. In fact, do you remember Mitsuru's Death Battle? Her Persona used such a skill, Megidolaon. A-Anyway, I'm saying that even Megido would have sufficed. - Gold Experience isn't quite like DIO's The World. In fact, only Jotaro's Star Platinum - a functionally identical Stand, as stated in-story - directly inherited a skill from it. - Y...eah, Leone Abbacchio greeted Giorno by serving him "tea", as a mean-spirited prank (he didn't trust Giorno at first). - Jesus IS involved in JoJo, but mainly in Part 7 (which takes place in a completely separate timeline). - If normal Gold Experience's speed was comparable to Silver Chariot's sword arm, it would handle at least 1500 times light speed. And yes, that's still far less than 8 billion times from skills like Morning Star. - "DIO is such a d!ck, he literally ruined his own son's Death Battle." Heh, the single funniest line in this episode. Wonder what'll finish up this year after Bowser vs Eggman...?
Also it seems that the stance uses physical attacks (I haven’t watched Jojo so I could be mistaken) and Joker can drain/heal form that or ignore it or even reflect it right back at the stance and he can that to all elements besides almighty so there’s a good chance that the golden boy couldn’t be able to hurt him(assuming that I’m correct about the way the stance does damage)
As a JoJo fan who had never seen Persona, i wanted Giorno to win, but i wasnt confident he could, BECAUSE I never thought Giorno could be put in ANY death battle without it being easily predictable and boring. As soon as i saw him paired against a Persona character I was like "Ah, so Persona characters must be unbelievably broken then."
@phillemon7664 wow, it's interesting ability! How do you think, can King Crimson avoid that bullet or Go Beyond? Like, he's above his own fate in Erased Time, even G.E.R. couldn't damage him in erased reality, and forced to return time before the moment of erase. Only time rewind/accelerate can counter T.E. I'm just Diavolofan, so in every fight i think about K.C. Also, sorry for bad english.
@@agroshkolnyk It’s basically impossible to use reality manipulation on any Persona User, let alone a Trickster, who are immune to the manipulation of actual Gods. Plus, if Joker had Yoshitsune, any physical attacks would heal him instead of hurting him.
This is the biggest wank I ever seen about the verse that tuxedo mask wannabe isn't outerversal, also outerversal is just an instant win button nowadays. I would love to be a 3rd party to have 1 character kill the both of them.
What they didn't add Joker cans Heal Be immune to physical Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
It is, however, it was written by the creator of Jojo's and takes place in the larger multiverse of Jojo's. The reason why they brought it up is because it better defines how exactly GER works. It was used as supporting evidence for their claim that Joker could bypass GER in addition to what Sataniel and the Omnipotent Orb offered.
@@tmtorsmth Even without Eyes of Heaven Joker being downplayed meant that if he had not been massively lowballed he would've resisted his causality manip with his beyond dimensional layered causality manip resistence
im more a Nintendo fan then Sega, but i dunno, I feel Eggman will will this one, but I dont know all the powers, and whether Bowser is able to use the various Mario series powerups or not. I seen his minions have been powered up with them in games.
Joker cans Heal Be immune to physical Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
Yu isn't a criminal protagonist of a fifth installment in a series revolving around spiritual battles involving guardian angel type entities and final bosses that are biblical metaphors
I mean if they let Eggman use Time Eater in DB then Eggman would win by a landslide it's not even fair of a match Bowser has nothing to go against Time Eater's time manipulation and erasing time power I guess the mech from Colors and Forces could also make it his victory by manipulating hyper go-on energy to create a black hole but Bowser has been shown to survive it in Mario Galaxy and Mario Party or use Phantom Ruby but it will also be useless bc dry Bowser other than trapping him in Null space which is not killing him though, I guess we can/cannot count on Paper Bower thanks to Paper Jam, Mario and Luigi series, they are different people Metal Sonic is busted thanks to the Copy ability, Maximum Overdrive, and many transformations plus Sage can summon the Guardians from the Islands to fight against the minions if they are taking place on the island or use her searching battle history to see the chances of victory for Eggman, and Infinite to create an army of warriors or create the Sun
Not really. There was other instances where fate was defied in Jojo. There is still the issue of Almighty, which can negate reality warping which is essentially what GER is.
Nah Joker vary nature as a Trickster A Trickster in Persona is basically a gigantic 'f you' to any and all matters of reality, will, law control etc. The final boss of og P5 erased Joker and the Phantom Thieves from reality all together, they LITTERALY were forgotten from existence, but Joker said 'f it' and came back BECAUSE he is a Trickster
@deatharena227 nah, Sage blocking attacks from The End singlehandedly makes Eggman win, since The End is the literal concept of destruction which is more powerful than the several multiverse busters like Solaris, the Time Eater, and Void
ye this is kinda a lowball Joker as well due to how nuts the Persona/SMT cosmology is since Collective Unconscious likely contains countless universes and by some definitions assisted by the SMT lore extends past conventional dimensional scaling and all that kinda stuff so on highball, hes stronger than most of fiction. Beyond that he also has resistance out the ass including causality related ones.
@@kenshinbmgsksyt5012 "None" is not unknown. For unknown Araki uses "?" In stats. But the word in ger's stats in Japanese defines the absence of something or it describes something which is so big that it can't be measured. Araki usually uses None to show the absence of stats, like none in the destructive power of underworld and it's explained that he has no destructive power. But for ger it's used to say that those stats can't be measured. Because we can see that he has speed and strength and in databooks Araki explains that his stats can't be compared to other stands with the same scale.
I thought joker would lose before I remembered Joker cans Heal Be immune to physical Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
@@NicholasJackson-kv5pc As a JoJo fan, I hated Giorno while finding Golden Wind to be filler compared to the rest of the series meanwhile I never cared or played Persona 5 cause too long meanwhile I already had someone spoil the stories of the Persona games for me.
They used non canon feats for this which was Eyes Of Heaven so they had no proof on that and GER doesn't kill its opponent it puts them to the brink reverses it then repeats it is impossible for Joker to do anything
if joker dies he cant revive himself mind you. especially infinite times. He cant revive himself so much even, that if he goes down at all its game over. He didnt die in the yaldobouth fight and was able to use his "power of friendship" he isnt able to rez himself if hes dead they just knew more people like joker than giorno, and again this is coming from a huge smt fan
Nah he died when he was erased from reality by the corrupted cognition of the people also GER didn't kill Joker. Also you being able to load a previous save after being killed in a fight is part of the ability of the Wild Card.
@phillemon7664 no, it's not. That's joker dying and the game over screen is just part of the game being a video game. It's never stated that it's part of his kit, like in dark souls for instance. His heart dropping to 0 would indeed mean death. NOT TO MENTION JOKER IN THE BAD ENDING DIES TO JUST A BULLET LOL. yall are fucking wild for trying to justify this.
@@phillemon7664 >game system >part of a character's ability Dude if you account that, every video game protagonist would be the most powerful ever. Fact of the matter is, the trickster can get out tricked and that's one of the ways to kill Joker.
Welp if it's any consolation Giorno's probably still alive. I'm not 100% sure how it works but Joker killed him in the Metaverse so in the real world he might still be alive. Just lobotomized.
Thought joker lose until I remember Joker cans Heal Be immune to physical Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
The funny part is that Joker was pretty much *universally* agreed to win. No one thought Giorno had a chance. In the G1 blog - the most respected scaling site on the internet - the members voted 11 to 1 in favor of Joker.
The main point of discussion was Revert to Zero. No one knew exactly if Joker could bypass it, or what interpretation of it DB would use. But the main fuel towards Sinful Shell bypassing RtZ is because of the Omnipotent Orb's description, and I guess no one really went looking for a random item's flavor text.
When the Tik Tok community are the only ones betting on a character, that character is fucked.
Reading the G1 blog was so funny this time. They had Joker being able to scale to 7D guys at minimum while being able to match and exceed GER's speed with like 7 win cons while Giorno had none
Hence a boring MU, Joker sucks
@@justincarbaugh596 wrong
"Sinful Shell, a bullet made from the 7 deadly sins that can piece even a god" GET F*CKED GER! I'm playing, i'm just so happy Joker won!
Joker cans
Heal
Be immune to physical
Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it
Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
@@sanstheskeleton3766 He can nullify/reflect/absorb all matter and forces, except for almighty.
@@sanstheskeleton3766 trickster/fool arcana means that he constantly rebels against fate, meaning that rtz technically shouldnt even work since joker constantly changes fate all the time.
@@critical_6164 that's what I said
@@critical_6164 but in different wording
9:08 this is not mentioned in there, but Personas can also be summoned on the real world, but it's harder than in the metaverse
Finally someone said it. Persona users always have it. The issue is their respective worlds make it easier
@@sleep5329 I thought it was common knowledge tbh, but a lot of fans of Giorno use to say that Personas only work in the metaverse
At least someone knows a lot of people dont seem to know this for some reason
Granted, the conditions _are_ a lot more stringent, and for Joker, he effectively can't, as he has neither an Evoker nor the intense training to summon a Persona outside the Metaverse or similar areas without one.
It is also canon that Joker (from the real world) can take opponents into the Metaverse if they aren’t there already, at least that’s what Smash Bracket told me
Steven:"Not even the power of friendship is gonna help you. Get out of this fight."
Joker:"Maybe you didn't understand the situation, Steven. The one who stomps in this fight isn't Giorno!"
Huh. I guess he doesn’t pay attention to things does he? Joker had the outs needed. Just requires the watcher to pay attention.
Yes the moment they mentioned that this bullet works against reality warping I suspected that it will overcome GER.
He never saw it coming.
I'll see myself out.
“Checkmate” -Joker
Joker cans
Heal
Be immune to physical
Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it
Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
@@sanstheskeleton3766 Satanael resists all types of attacks, except curse, which it absorbs. It also comes packed with Survival Trick, which would allow Joker to survive an ambush through time a second time from Requiem, and Tyrant's Mind which would add a bit more damage onto the Sinful Shell already. Joker with Satanael is strong af, and he isn't even the strongest persona user to exist (debatably)
What’s funny is that they lowballed the ever loving hell out of Joker. Joker not only has access to sinful shell, but he has access to several more almighty type moves, without even needing satanael. Joker also has skills that allow him to nullify, reflect, or absorb certain damage types, so if joker had null physical or a persona that nullified physical, then Giorno has no way of dealing any damage. You could argue that the damage reflection by GE giving life is almighty damage, but even then he has access to several types of healing spells, and has other skills that allow him to passively recover. I know that DB didn’t give him these things to make the fight seem “close”, but put some respect on my boy Joker and give him his actual skill set
satanael isnt summonable by joker by himself in canon. it literally takes all of tokyo to summon him. not to mention almight attacks are not reality warping attacks. they are NEVER said to be this reality destroying and warping ability, they can literally just straight up miss. this is just joker glaze. and this is coming from a pretty heavy smt stan. omnipotent orb is an item, not an ability. If that were the case, divine pillar would be something that reality warping doesnt touch because it halves all damage including almighty.
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@@hunterjohnson7796 Go to the persona compendium and Satanael is there joker has the ability to summon it after the fight with Yaldabaoth.
@@hunterjohnson7796I mean, Satanael becomes an accessible Persona you can get from the Velvet Room during the third semester, so youre just kinda wrong. Plus, even if you dont buy him being anle to use Sinful Shell the way they presented it, the World arcana gives him the power to do so at all times. Joker wins, case closed.
@@vick7868 not really. GER broke fate so it does the same thing the World arcana users do.
Thing is,if you played any of the Persona game, would understand just how broken a single basic persona could be,Personas are like pokemon for the main characters,there's lots of them,each of them with various powers and resistances,some of them are totally immune to some types of elements and attacks,some of them bounce back attack,some of them even straight up heal them selfs if they are attacked with something they absorb
and in persona games,in the end,you always end up fighting a god ,and you end up defeating it with an attack so powerful it erases their existance
Basically
Joker cans
Heal
Be immune to physical
Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it
Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
Death battle left out the fact that joker is a trickster which is the reason why he was able to resist his will being drained from him by maruki and Yaldabaoth
Almighty attacks (Like Sinful Shell) bypass any kind of defense. Pretty sure thats why GER's arm went "sayonara" before both him and Giorno got vaporized
Yet anything that stands before GER will return to zero
Except Almighty bypasses reality warping defenses soooo
@@ghst1825rtz’s effects literally do not work against Joker
@@dhark1166 rtz is not a barrier its the logic of something which wouldnt happen lol no matter whatever ability you use against him lol
@@mrfact03s i never said it was a barrier, I just said everything that rtz was doing would just be nullified by joker’s arsenal.
23:23 The power of friendship is always enough. 😌
and a GUN
No, they explained all of it. But some people just refuse to pay attention to the explanations and only pay attention to the fight animation itself.
They did mentioned that Almighty magic bypasses reality warping, you didn't pay attention.
Typical of Steven Z lard ass
@klausrudolph0 unless it is related to food he can't focus
If joker used DLC personas, the fight been over immediately
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Izanagi No Okami picaro!!!! ALL SHALL BE REVEALED
BY THE MYRIAD TRUTHS
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8:17 Oh, yeah, you can do that. The Homeroom teacher is a maid XD
Word of advice in case you play Persona 5 or Persona 5 Royal, don't do the harem route.
wait why?
@@killerqueen5633 Let's just say, if you go for every single girl. In Valentines Day, Let's just say you'll end up like these novels or movies where an unfaithful man has more than one girlfriend/wife...and in this case, 8 girls who are very upset with you. Use your imagination.
@@killerqueen5633 Long story short, not worth it. Not worth cheating on any of them. just stick to one girl throught the playthough.
Finally, some people with respect.
@@nicholastaylor5354 I personally preffer to just stick to one girl, thsnk you.
Being Trickster as it's own is already make Joker an anti GER because he immune/completely resistance to Causality Manipulation and RtZ is a Causality Manipulation power. Thus this fight is not even fair for Giorno
the beginning wasn't RtZ, it was Life Shot. Gold Experience didn't go Requiem, the background was blue, and you even see Joker return to his own body to feel the hit
Giorno can dominate fate.
Joker can rebel against fate. That's all
Awesome episode
Makes up for Bardock vs. Omni-Man.
@@jaxcraft2848 Fax
for real
Fun fact die for me is a move with a high instakill chance so that move would ether do nothing or end the fight right there and there’s two other high chance instakill moves
This is overkill, not fight
This fight had me on the edge of my SEAT!
@@MetricLlama ONG
but they did specify it, THEY LITERALLY SAID DURING THE ANALYSIS THAT THE SINFUL SHELL CAN BYPASS ANY DEFENSE - ANY DEFENSE WOULD INCLUDE RETURN TO ZERO IF YOU USE YOUR BRAIN, steven why are you being intentionally dense?
Joker cans
Heal
Be immune to physical
Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it
Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
Thats not a "defense" bozo. Rewriting reality isn't a defense move, its a reality warping move.
@@Karmanara are you dumb? honestly, are you dumb? i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, reality warping is inherently a defense. so to put it in a way you should be able to understand: YOU CAN'T BE HIT IF YOU WARP REALITY TO AVOID IT, AVOIDANCE IS DEFENSE, AN ATTACK THAT GETS PAST ANY DEFENSE CAN NOT BE AVOIDED. it is common sense
and they had to use info from non canon games to make sinful shell work that way in the first place.
@@flameknightdragon so you're just being intentionally dense and neglecting the fact sinfull shell can negate the effects of an item that is stated to nullify all damage except almighty - which is... yknow... what requiem does? even without the non canon game, that kind of power just is not something giorno can match
As other people have said already, Joker being at bare minimum universal, made it so Giorno had no wincon like what was he gonna do to Joker just tickle him to death. There were other ways to bypass the RTZ, a common one that I'm finally glad gained traction as its one of the most direct way was the fact that GER allowed Giorno to dominate fate, Joker easily changes fate and has no effect on him, making GER's main abilities useless as manipulating Joker's fate wouldn't get him anywhere. People also forget that causality manipulation is just a subset of time manipulation as the effects are similar to time travel though far more controlled and GER's ability fits the bill for it, Joker has statements that put him above time meaning that any changes in the flow of time wouldn't affect him at all.
These reasons above are just scratching the surface, Joker wouldn't necessarily need Santanel to bypass it, in fact its the very definition of overkill.
It's the logic of 0 x 0 = 0 so to speak, and based on further stands that are actually more powerful than GER itself, namely D4C Love Train, Tusk Act 4, or even Wonder of U, the only way to defeat Joker is to hit him with something that doesn't exist.
Don't forget how ger reverted time where time doesn't exist and reverted diavolo's actions which were outside of time...
@@virussviruss2266 Nope completely false, it was never outside of time to begin with, plus GER only reverted it once the ability itself was done, he never did it during the ability's run.
@@reflex9238 diavolo's ability is literally erasing the time. Araki himself states that there's no time during time erasure, so Diavolo is basically outside of time. Also, Diavolo himself said that it was time erasure which got reverted, ger did not revert it at the end of it. We don't even see it ending in the manga. Even if ger reverted time erasure only when the ability was done, it would mean that he has no access to outside of time, so during rtz we would never seen actions that occurred during time erasure being reverted. It would instantly move to time before Diavolo activates time erasure, because ger would have no access to what happened beyond time. Which is not what happened in the manga
@@virussviruss2266 Nope and I can confirm with 100% certainty that you're lying about Araki's statement as I have all the guidebooks physically. Heck Araki has said the opposite when looking at any description of King Crimson's ability he states that time is moved forward for other people and that they don't remember anything in between the time that Diavolo skipped, nothing in that description says anything about there being no time which should be obvious in that being a time stop ability and it'd just be Jotaro or DIO's ability, when its clearly not.
Also to keep going on this point since you wanted to lie about what Araki has said, Araki has stated in JoJoveller that Diavolo is unable to attack during the activation of his ability, meaning that he'd have to wait after the skip to be able to attack or hit anything, which is true even in the manga where you see Diavolo is about to hit Giorno and gets stopped as he got closer, if it was during the ability he would've hit nothing and his fist would've just phased through Giorno and not even kill him, so yeah even Araki makes it clear it happened after Diavolo's ability.
For me, where I knew about the crazy stuff both characters can do, it mostly came down to who’s BS can out power each other
24:00 they literally did say it and showed it
Ok so it seems like there was quite a bit you didn't understand, let me explain what you missed
6:35 Yes Joker does have a significantly bigger boost in variety, but that doesnt mean he will lack any power. Each Persona has their own strengths and weaknesses, and technically every Persona can be maxed out in their stats, so even a basic ass persona like Pixie can have stats maxed out and dish out devastating damage, that isnt even accounting for the lore accurate powers of some other Personas that are literal gods like Thor, Odin, Vishnu, Satan, Beelzebub, Archangel like Raphael, Gabriel, Michael, Conceptual entities like Hatsur, Jack Frost (yes this fella is OP), and the ultimate Personas simply embody this power factor like Luficer, Alice (a demon canonically feared by 80% of SMTs demons, and mf Satanael. They all have various ranges of power whether they are basic or legendary gods.
9:00, for one, Giorno cant, second that doesnt matter as not only does Joker have means of pulling him back in or even simply retreating to the Velvet Room, but Personas can be summoned outside the Metaverse, while difficult is still possible.
24:50 they did, it was barely baseline Faster then Light with Jokers at minimum millions times faster then light and while not outright said, can reach immeasuable due to the nature of the Velvet Room existing beyond time and space
25:25 ok so this is something DB probably mispoke on. Joker WAS immune to the changes Maruki did across existence, shifting reality through Causality. My immune i mean unlike everyone whose lives were altered and they didnt notice the changes, Joker along with Akechi were the only 2 who realized that the world has changed in a weird way. One of the endings is Joker accepting the change, however that still shows Joker is immune to Causality and fate being changed.
25:32 they did, however each persona is uniquely powerful in their oen right, but they went over the typical line personas cross that scale, such as Lucifers Morning Star, Big Bang Burger, etc.
26:30 at 9:25 they explained how Almighty Attacks are basically the ultimately government of law, destruction. All that is hit by it have no choice but to face a demise beyond death. This force can bypass defenses that rewrite reality itself via The Omnipotent Orb bending reality itself to grant absolute immunity to all attacks. That basically already tells you that an ability that can alter reality through Causality wont work on an attack that ignores the laws of reality. Remember the gun analogy, RTZ can make it so you never fired the gun, Sinful Shell before and after it is fired will never be reset because no matter what it will always be in motion.They dont have to outright say that weakness word-by-word as that is the point of the post-analysis
First you earned yourself a sub from me you are also correct in assuming these points
Joker is Indeed from Persona 5 as well as the other Persona 5 games in 5 Royal which is like a definitive edition, 5 Strikers and 5 Tactica.
Giorno is indeed the son of Dio and is the JoJo(or GioGio as the nickname is more commonly put as) of Part 5 Golden Wind
There are 9 or so JoJos now Part 1 Phantom Blood, Part 2 Battle Tendency, Part 3 Stardust Crusaders, Part 4 Diamond is Unbreakable, Part 5 Golden Wind, Part 6 Stone Ocean, Part 7 Steel Ball Run, Part 8 JoJolion and as of right now Part 9 JoJolands
The best thing about Joker is that he could have easily won with just reflect physical lol. There are personas that drain melee damage too and mixed bag of bs lol.
they had to downgrade joker for the fight to happen in the first place
I absolutely LOVED this fight as well as the ending itself.
they did specify the almighty attacks doing that
It really doesn’t matter if he has zero if sinfull shell can just go through his zero ability and all of jokers resist
17:03 Omega Sanction
I definitely reccomend playing Persona 5 for yourself, it's really fun!
I’m a bigger fan of Persona than JoJo but I actually thought Giorno would win because Gold Experience Requiem power is BS but I didn’t know that Ren/Joker was even more BS
Let me give you a list of what they didn't do or say
Joker cans
Heal
Be immune to physical
Joker is broken
Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it
Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
Being a Trickster make him immune to Causality Manipulation power and Return to Zero is a part of Causality Manipulation power.
Brooo it’s been years I first discovered this channel the summer of my 4th grade year. I’m a freshman in college now dude
Eggman might actually win this, and Morø is helping death battle make Bowser vs Eggman? This shit finna be fire 🔥🔥
I mean, it shows that Eggman gets Sage, who blocked attacks from The End, the actual embodiment of the concept of destruction, Bowser loses
On one hand has Bowser is a terrifyingly powerful powerhouse.
On another hand, Eggman’s cunningness might get him, plus he has Metal Sonic and Sage on his side.
@@sonomni and who does Bowser have Koopa Troopas and Goombas? Yeah Bowser is cooked 😭🙏🙏
Unless Fury Bowser is involved.
@@KingRock9717 Canonically Fury Bowser happened because of Bowser Junior’s paintbrush… who he has on his side in this Death Battle.
Time for the Joker vs Goku debates
Joker no diffs
That's one of those fights that I don't think happens because of the nature of the characters. Goku would have to know about Joker and the metaverse, and unless Goku had a Palace, Joker wouldn't be interested in going against him.
So the story for the game Eyes Over Heaven was written by Jojo creator Araki while it takes place in the Greater Jojo Multiverse. Hope that clears up any confusion you may have.
It wasn't the power of friendship that made giorno lost
It was DIO!
Something I and a lot of other people have noticed is that 9 times out of 10 whoever transforms first looses
- The Persona 5 games have actually shown multiple times that Persona users can prevent outright willpower negation (and similar effects, like having Desires extracted) - but I guess having Confidant connections to anchor Joker also helps.
- Uh, yeah, the pharmaceutical trials and maid/teacher are long stories in and of themselves.
- Sinful Shell isn't the only Almighty skill, of course. There's Life Drain, Megido, Stagnant Air, Lucifer's Morning Star, and so on. In fact, do you remember Mitsuru's Death Battle? Her Persona used such a skill, Megidolaon. A-Anyway, I'm saying that even Megido would have sufficed.
- Gold Experience isn't quite like DIO's The World. In fact, only Jotaro's Star Platinum - a functionally identical Stand, as stated in-story - directly inherited a skill from it.
- Y...eah, Leone Abbacchio greeted Giorno by serving him "tea", as a mean-spirited prank (he didn't trust Giorno at first).
- Jesus IS involved in JoJo, but mainly in Part 7 (which takes place in a completely separate timeline).
- If normal Gold Experience's speed was comparable to Silver Chariot's sword arm, it would handle at least 1500 times light speed. And yes, that's still far less than 8 billion times from skills like Morning Star.
- "DIO is such a d!ck, he literally ruined his own son's Death Battle." Heh, the single funniest line in this episode.
Wonder what'll finish up this year after Bowser vs Eggman...?
I have said this before years ago. The one who uses their most powerful skills/attacks/transformations first is the who loses 85-90% of the time
I was hoping Joker would win.
Joker is already won.
AWESOME fight!
18:11: Dang. I bet Giorno too. But it was still an awesome and close fight nonetheless!
Joker had the grip on his hip with the almighty clip
Dang. We back to the brutal deaths again!
One thing to keep in mindis that persona main characters are almost always GOD KILLERS
Say it with me, everyone! PERSONA!!!
So Psych to see Jack frost in the animation love the little guy
I'm so proud of my boy. He did it!!!
1:16 That’s awesome
The instant they mentioned the Sinful shell, i knew Joker was winning this one
Also it seems that the stance uses physical attacks (I haven’t watched Jojo so I could be mistaken) and Joker can drain/heal form that or ignore it or even reflect it right back at the stance and he can that to all elements besides almighty so there’s a good chance that the golden boy couldn’t be able to hurt him(assuming that I’m correct about the way the stance does damage)
Good news death battle confirend doom guy vs master chief rematch
Pls pin me
As a huge fan of JoJo & Persona, yeah they got this one right. I was scared until Joker won, but now I have no need to fear now!
As a JoJo fan who had never seen Persona, i wanted Giorno to win, but i wasnt confident he could, BECAUSE I never thought Giorno could be put in ANY death battle without it being easily predictable and boring.
As soon as i saw him paired against a Persona character I was like "Ah, so Persona characters must be unbelievably broken then."
yep
Yes, and believe or not, joker was far weaker than it's original series (non spin off series) which is shin megami tensei character💀💀💀
The persona Yoshitsune nullifies all physical damage. Also, it looks like they're in the 4th block of tartarus
Guess you never saw it coming.
In the Death Battle Universe, the one who transforms first will die 😂😂
This is Joker's real face without the clown mask 😂😂
Can somebody explain to me, how sinful bullet damaged G.E.R., if he reverts any existing attack before the moment it lands on him?
Sinful Shell doesn't exist, think of it like Go Beyond! in that it's an abstract bullet made of the seven deadly sins as opposed to an actual bullet
@phillemon7664 wow, it's interesting ability!
How do you think, can King Crimson avoid that bullet or Go Beyond? Like, he's above his own fate in Erased Time, even G.E.R. couldn't damage him in erased reality, and forced to return time before the moment of erase. Only time rewind/accelerate can counter T.E.
I'm just Diavolofan, so in every fight i think about K.C. Also, sorry for bad english.
@@agroshkolnyk It’s basically impossible to use reality manipulation on any Persona User, let alone a Trickster, who are immune to the manipulation of actual Gods. Plus, if Joker had Yoshitsune, any physical attacks would heal him instead of hurting him.
@@jacksonvoet8312 ok, i understand, that's one type of anime like "i created a character who can destroy universe by sneeze"
@@agroshkolnyk Not exactly. The only way to beat a Persona User, is typically being a Persona User.
Giorno is base fodder for SMT characters since demons and shadows aren't bound by time and causality.
Ding ding ding
Yeah almighty attacks bypass all defenses. The only way to survive is to dodge them or just be tough enough to tank the hit.
I genuinely turned Super Saiyan 3 after seeing that.
Steven I had a similar reaction to you when you watched Dio vs Alucard.
persona scaling is fucking wild. joker at his highest is a outerversal entity
This is the biggest wank I ever seen about the verse that tuxedo mask wannabe isn't outerversal, also outerversal is just an instant win button nowadays.
I would love to be a 3rd party to have 1 character kill the both of them.
What they didn't add
Joker cans
Heal
Be immune to physical
Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it
Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
@@sanstheskeleton3766 joker can solo most of fiction, he could even beat kratos and even give doom guy a challenge. he is busted
@@AliceIzuragi6291 >can solo most fiction
>gets murdered by Akechi because player is stupid
Yeah no, he is strong, but he isn't that powerful.
Two characters Sage and Metal Sonic
Wait isn't eyes over heaven non-canon.
They took non-canon info for both of them
*For some reason*
It is, however, it was written by the creator of Jojo's and takes place in the larger multiverse of Jojo's. The reason why they brought it up is because it better defines how exactly GER works. It was used as supporting evidence for their claim that Joker could bypass GER in addition to what Sataniel and the Omnipotent Orb offered.
@@MegaMark500 "it was written by the creator of JoJo" nuh uh, Araki only did the Ascended Dio's design
@@tmtorsmth Even without Eyes of Heaven Joker being downplayed meant that if he had not been massively lowballed he would've resisted his causality manip with his beyond dimensional layered causality manip resistence
@phillemon7664 I didn't say anything about the fight, just wanted to clarify
im more a Nintendo fan then Sega, but i dunno, I feel Eggman will will this one, but I dont know all the powers, and whether Bowser is able to use the various Mario series powerups or not. I seen his minions have been powered up with them in games.
Yeah but also joker could come back from a Save File Something a Jojo person cannot do
King Bowser Koopa and the Koopa Troop vs Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik and the Eggman Empire
Egg man should win in the next death battle because Sage should be the Wildcard to help him win against Bowser army it might be close
Joker cans
Heal
Be immune to physical
Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it
Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
Bro, didn't even listening
Ngl Giorno vs Yu Narukami would be a better match up for real
"You will never reach the truth" vs The one who reveal the truth
Yu isn't a criminal protagonist of a fifth installment in a series revolving around spiritual battles involving guardian angel type entities and final bosses that are biblical metaphors
I mean if they let Eggman use Time Eater in DB then Eggman would win by a landslide it's not even fair of a match Bowser has nothing to go against Time Eater's time manipulation and erasing time power
I guess the mech from Colors and Forces could also make it his victory by manipulating hyper go-on energy to create a black hole but Bowser has been shown to survive it in Mario Galaxy and Mario Party or use Phantom Ruby but it will also be useless bc dry Bowser other than trapping him in Null space which is not killing him though, I guess we can/cannot count on Paper Bower thanks to Paper Jam, Mario and Luigi series, they are different people
Metal Sonic is busted thanks to the Copy ability, Maximum Overdrive, and many transformations plus Sage can summon the Guardians from the Islands to fight against the minions if they are taking place on the island or use her searching battle history to see the chances of victory for Eggman, and Infinite to create an army of warriors or create the Sun
28:24 To be honest with you I like Mario and Nintendo but I love Sonic and SEGA more, I'm voting Eggman
You look like a discord mod!
If this happens to me in real life, I get a heart attack 7:57
How did Joker use his gun at the end even tho giorno destroyed it earlier?
It always comes back. He will always have a gun because it's not real
@@phillemon7664 oh ok
Joker wouldn't even need the gun because Sataneal has his own
why not watch persona 5 or do a reaction to it episode 1
is not roosterteeth fault is youtube algorithm fault it give your copyright strike don't blaming company itself
Sage And Metal Sonic :l Eggman Have Good Friends In His Army 😅
so if giorno didn't fight dio he would had won?
nah joker still has enough to take the W
Not really. There was other instances where fate was defied in Jojo. There is still the issue of Almighty, which can negate reality warping which is essentially what GER is.
Nope, every single wincon for joker still stands up without that as shown by the g1 blog.
That would have probably left the battle more into interpration to believe if satanael attack would have worked or not.
This was a confermation of it.
Nah Joker vary nature as a Trickster
A Trickster in Persona is basically a gigantic 'f you' to any and all matters of reality, will, law control etc.
The final boss of og P5 erased Joker and the Phantom Thieves from reality all together, they LITTERALY were forgotten from existence, but Joker said 'f it' and came back BECAUSE he is a Trickster
6:52 first time?🥴
I Think eggman should win
Same here. I’m glad I’m not the only one rooting for him.
Nah Bowser
@deatharena227 nah, Sage blocking attacks from The End singlehandedly makes Eggman win, since The End is the literal concept of destruction which is more powerful than the several multiverse busters like Solaris, the Time Eater, and Void
giorno never stood a chance against game 4 mkleo
This is peak
Can you reaction to skibidi multiverse bloopers
ye this is kinda a lowball Joker as well due to how nuts the Persona/SMT cosmology is since Collective Unconscious likely contains countless universes and by some definitions assisted by the SMT lore extends past conventional dimensional scaling and all that kinda stuff so on highball, hes stronger than most of fiction. Beyond that he also has resistance out the ass including causality related ones.
bro giorno still win does they know 1 hit attacked? and why the fuck will giorno dumb enough to punch a giant assbullet
even his stats unknown cause ger power is infinite
@@kenshinbmgsksyt5012 "None" is not unknown. For unknown Araki uses "?" In stats. But the word in ger's stats in Japanese defines the absence of something or it describes something which is so big that it can't be measured. Araki usually uses None to show the absence of stats, like none in the destructive power of underworld and it's explained that he has no destructive power.
But for ger it's used to say that those stats can't be measured. Because we can see that he has speed and strength and in databooks Araki explains that his stats can't be compared to other stands with the same scale.
Youll never see it coming and this actually accurate to what would happen joker is that broken in all senses of the word also instant revive sucker
When I first saw the video I knew Joker will win.
I never really cared, I hate both Joker and GER debaters cause outerversal Joker and GER resets gives me headaches.
@@FoxyBoy-mz2ys Why?
I thought joker would lose before I remembered
Joker cans
Heal
Be immune to physical
Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it
Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
@@sanstheskeleton3766 Well we have to expect the unexpected right.
@@NicholasJackson-kv5pc As a JoJo fan, I hated Giorno while finding Golden Wind to be filler compared to the rest of the series meanwhile I never cared or played Persona 5 cause too long meanwhile I already had someone spoil the stories of the Persona games for me.
and also i mad about bardock lost
Eggman for the win
Tldr bullshit god vs bullshit devil
its not who is stronger but who has the better bullshit mind to outsmart the other
My boy Giorno got massively disrespected :c
They used non canon feats for this which was Eyes Of Heaven so they had no proof on that and GER doesn't kill its opponent it puts them to the brink reverses it then repeats it is impossible for Joker to do anything
It's non-canon for the main timeline but technically canon in the larger JoJo multiverse, as it was supervised by Araki himself.
if joker dies he cant revive himself mind you. especially infinite times. He cant revive himself so much even, that if he goes down at all its game over. He didnt die in the yaldobouth fight and was able to use his "power of friendship" he isnt able to rez himself if hes dead they just knew more people like joker than giorno, and again this is coming from a huge smt fan
Nah he died when he was erased from reality by the corrupted cognition of the people also GER didn't kill Joker. Also you being able to load a previous save after being killed in a fight is part of the ability of the Wild Card.
@phillemon7664 no, it's not. That's joker dying and the game over screen is just part of the game being a video game. It's never stated that it's part of his kit, like in dark souls for instance. His heart dropping to 0 would indeed mean death. NOT TO MENTION JOKER IN THE BAD ENDING DIES TO JUST A BULLET LOL. yall are fucking wild for trying to justify this.
@@phillemon7664 >game system
>part of a character's ability
Dude if you account that, every video game protagonist would be the most powerful ever. Fact of the matter is, the trickster can get out tricked and that's one of the ways to kill Joker.
Na wrong Giorno should have won
How come ?
Nope, Joker was massively lowballed. Also Trickster physiology ggs
@@phillemon7664 na
Welp if it's any consolation Giorno's probably still alive. I'm not 100% sure how it works but Joker killed him in the Metaverse so in the real world he might still be alive. Just lobotomized.
I think Giorno's going to have mental shut down and kill himself basically
I don’t count eyes of heaven as canon. I believed both Giorno and Joker cannot beat eachother imo
Thought joker lose until I remember
Joker cans
Heal
Be immune to physical
Be immune to magic I forget if that was a thing been awhile seen last played it
Has the role of trickster that rebels against everything that could also mean reset everything to 0 meaning he might've not needed the recharge
Nah the nature of the Trickster basically allows him to neg RtZ without trying even without Eyes of Heaven