I will say that me and my locals have had to make a new format to Play after and before the tourney where we play the worst of the worst decks and its been fun (Vehicroids, valkyries, ect.)
@apsamplifier the way I cope with online formats not being the most fun is build a more slow deck (bad compared to current decks) for fun and try to win. Currently I am playing a Kaiba Anime accurate deck (without Pot of Greed etc) and try to win (also I only play decks online that I have IRL to train them or chill out.
As a player trying to get back into Yu-Gi-Oh after a decade, and living in a fairly mid sized US city, it was really discouraging to see that all 7 dedicated game stores stopped carrying TCG products in the last few years. We have this really booming new shop too that carries everything else, but not Yu-Gi-Oh. You’re absolutely right, if you lose the casual gamers, the gig is over. That’s how the game actually dies.
@@DragonBallsolosyourverseit really is a plight for competitive players only. If casual players don't even care about locals anymore, it's the competitive community that needs to demand and drive change.
Is it a situation where more casual players may be getting their YGO fix in there form of products like duel links (mimic the anime) or master duel (plentiful matches available at the convenience of when the player wants). Tcgs recently have to brings something eye popping to get folks to buy in outside of legacy players or just bring the biggest game running (MtG).
I've been called an old head too many times saying that how YGO is now is way too toxic. They be like "oh you just like schoolyard YGO" I'm like no I like YGO where people can PLAY the game before you had a gimmick because the monster type your playing. Now all archetype have the same goal which is swarm, there's no real diverence in place. Whomever doesn't have a bricked hand wins be default and people KNOW this and still want to dare that "school yard YGO" was worse. The only bad opener back then was your homie had a Gemini Elf or they have a man-eater bug(s) ready. I always said competitive players that simply copy people's decks aren't good at the game. At that point you're not playing a TGC you're playing russian roulette
@@yurisei6732which is funny because OCG arguably more competitive as more players can reasonably get what they need to optimize their deck list in the OCG, leading to more; experimentation, practice, and a wider range of players.
@@otterfire4712the OCG is not more competitive at all, there’s just more competitive players because there’s a lot more players in general. There’s a giant trading card game and gambling culture in Asian countries therefore it’s just more popular over there whereas in the TCG most players are trying to play to win and wanna play the best deck no matter the price. People in the OCG don’t care about the “investment” and will buy packs no matter what and will build “bad” decks just to have fun casually compared to the TCG people want to pull the best cards for the best decks or they don’t feel fulfilled.
Play Duel Links or Master Duel. It’s not as expensive, but the older the account the more value it has accumulating cards that are one time event/life time releases.
@@Citizen_Nappa23Yea but how do u play with those cards? At home with ur friends probably unless you want people to go the locals and likely get stomped. And if u dont have friends around that also play then there's no reason at all to build a casual deck.
Thing is, when people said yugioh was dying all those other times, they were kinda right. It has been dying this whole time. Players who love the game make fun of this everytime while this game fails to grip new players and loses old ones because the game continues. They think it means like getting hit by a car or something. That it's going to be a sudden death, so therefore when that doesn't happen all the detractors are wrong. What they don't realize is that it's more like getting a terminal illness that slowly saps your strength until you're just a husk. Yugioh players are like those smoker who insist they'll never get cancer at 20 and die at 35
judging by all the people on this video's comment and paul's other video, I don't think these die-hard yugioh players will even see it that way. All they care about are their "prize support" and VaLuE cArDs!1!11!. These idiots don't get the fact that they can't cash out if no one buys their OVERPRICED cardboard. These guys would rather die on that hill than admit they were wrong.
The issue is it does get new players that no one recognizes. Went new YGO series brings in new kids. The issue is no one recognizes them until they get older.
I have been noticing a huge decline of product for a long time now in 90% of card shops that I have gone to. Also I feel like the whole yugioh is dying is that a huge portion of the community aren't big fans of what the game has become in the recent years and from most of the people in my play groups have all said that Konami doesn't diversify the game out side of the standard way we play the game. Either its either falls into 2 camps one Konami doesn't really support alt playstyles whether its old formats like goat, edizon, or HAT as well as any of the different playstyles that Konami listed that the player base should try out like deck master, heart of the underdog, etc. which is a shame because they make more money off of that product using reprints of older cards for a deck to play that specific playstyle or format. The second one is the way that they have 6 gens worth of yugioh going all at once or the speed & level of power creep that the game has generated has gone unchecked.
The part you made about the locals stopping supporting the game is pretty true in my area, 4 shops have stopped selling and holding events with Yu-Gi-Oh over the last 2 years, now they sell other games just not Yu-Gi-Oh as it's not profitable.
Which is ironic considering the premise of more than HALF the yugioh franchises are players competing for prize money or competing in a circuit as a way to make a living. In all honesty, the man was a hypocrite in that regard. Maybe he thought that would ruin the spirit of the game, but literally in EVERY OTHER GAME, even at the time, this was never the case. Perhaps he felt Pressured to make that assessment because he feared that playing cards for the possibility of winning money would be misconstrued as gambling, but that's a far reach to make in and of itself. At the end of the day though, he is no longer with us, and the game has long since outgrown the source material. To continue being bound by a condition set in the early 2000s, before even 30% of households had internet access, when the climate of hobbies and the abundance of TCGs has changed, is absolutely stupid. Even if they don't do cash prizing though, Lorcana and One Piece don't ans thier prizing is worth thousands. Hell, their collectors products are worth thousands, because they know how to appease both collectors AND players. Konami doesn't know how to appease either.
Rome also stagnated for a long time before eventually collapsing. Like, i dont think this is necessarily an issue for the entirety of Yugioh. Its mostly just the TCG. The OCG seems to be doing fine, and Master Duel is its own can of worms from what I understand. I will say that despite my issues with the recent "QCR Exclusive" fiasco with Magia, I at least appreciate that Konami is looking for ways to try and give sealed product more worth for vendors and collectors. Like, from a financial perspective, I think the future of this game's stability lies in the collector's market and I think that Konami further investing in it - as well as taking more risks with supplemental media like manga, anime & video games - could help to drive down the price of competitive Yugioh. Ideally, we want to be in the same position as Pokemon and have a strong multi-media presence, and unlike Magic the Gathering, Yugioh's far more capable of achieving that due to its anime aesthetic and many unique archetypes (each with their own lore and what have you). Stuff like the Sky Striker manga and the recent animation studio are huge steps in the right direction. The most that Magic the Gathering could really attempt with its IP by comparison is a TV series similar to Arcane (as well as the many novels that already exist). With the way that modern Yugioh is designed, our game is in a position where we could take bigger creative risks. Konami just has to be willing to do that. I also agree that this game desperately needs more alternative formats. Beyond Junior Journey, the closest i've seen that looks interesting at all is Domain Format. Its a singleton format like Commander, and i only really know about it because Pot of Greed is legal at 1 (go figure). I think the big problem though is that a lot of people who want an alternative format (that aren't already playing Time Wizard formats) want to still be able to play with the cards/decks that they currently own. God knows its why I spent half a year experimenting with the game's mechanics in my free time, and it was the only time where my siblings were willing to play Yugioh with me since the mechanics I was experimenting with allowed for pretty much any deck to do stupid shit and make a comback. For an alternative format to really take off, it'll need to not only encourage casual play, but also include the entire modern card pool. Like, someone should be able to take a deck like Labrynth for example and be able to make it work in that format (even if it may not be as strong as it currently is in MR5). It'd also be nice if it supported 3+ player FFA games, which admittedly is a difficult task since it begins to further complicate cards like Infinite Impermanence for example. The reason 3+ player games are important though for an alternative format is because it reduces the chances of following the meta and encourages players to do their own thing. The reason for this is due to "politicing", or the overall social aspect of the game. If you were to walk in with a meta deck, its very likely that people would just gang up on you (unless they're all playing meta) since it paints a target on your back. There's also ostracization to worry about if you want to continue playing within that friend group. In a casual 3+ player game, a strong deck also has to be perceived as fair if you don't want to get shit on for piloting it. Like, if your friends are playing pure versions of Blackwings, Dragonmaid and Plunder Patrol, and you show up with Runick Stun, everyone's gonna have a bad time unless they all just collectively gang up on you once the match begins.
I personally think the game is on it's last legs and has been on borrowed time for years for these few reasons 1: Crappy prize support : Other games are doing what YGO should be doing and that is is either giving out cash or exclusive good products that's worth money , like there's no reason we should be getting Nintendo switches OG models in 2024 as a part of prizes. Why can't they just give us high end tech products like they used to do back in the day? i remember upper deck giving out Alienware laptops for prizing in the early 2000s. 2: Lack of kids playing : Most of the kids that played when i was in my early 20s is now in their early 20s /late teens and my son's generation could care less about playing YGO considering things like fortnight host cash tournaments yearly.. 3: Stores not carrying YGO : Although my city has a decent competitive scene i know a lot of stores just don't deal with YGO because product rot on shelves but games like One Piece and Lorcana is selling like hotcakes with competitive circuits better than what konami is giving ygo players. I don't want the game to stop anytime soon however with everything i just listed it's just a matter of time before it flatlines , unless Konami does a complete 180 and give us better prize support and figure out a way to attract a new younger audience. I personally think they should just go the MTG route and make yugioh a 13+ cardgame and cater it to young adults with revised prize structure.
Fire King Snake Eyes decks, and popular style cards make me not care for Yugioh, I was a returning player, came back in 2018, now leaving again. Won't be back this time, dont care for prizing, its the card and game design that has ruined the it for me. Most people I know who care about Yugioh say the same thing. Yugioh used to be a strategic chess like game, now, its a glorified Voyuer simulater where a lot of players get off making you watch them play with themselves. It's laughable the anime spawned the garbage the TCG/OCG/MD has become.
I used to love playing Yu-Gi-Oh casually at locals back in the 2010s but drifted away when I moved cities. I was planning on getting back into the game this year, but seeing how unfriendly the TCG has become to anyone but the most dedicated players willing to fork out hundreds on a tier 0 deck that isn't even particularly challenging or fun to play has turned me right off. I might start looking into Magic...
I’m lucky enough to have a playgroup of 7 and we have curated our own format. We play so many old cards as well as many of the new and it’s so much fun. Yugioh needs formats for sure .
There is low support, printing is against budget, no casual formats, bad quality of products, banlist oriented for selling cards instead of fixing the problem immediately. It's not dying in Japan, but we know the game is handled differently there. I fear that the problem is like a Bell's Curve. Until they are going to raise the price and accessibility, the are gonna reach a level of dissatisfaction that will eventually be the downfall of the card game.
Personal opinion but yugioh is one player game meanwhile many tcg are two players game Does people fun see people go combo for 15 minutes and in your turn you cannot break their board so it's their auto win? Yes that's not a two players game, it's one player game all right
If my opponent is going off that much I don't have anything which is luck of the draw in a card game or I'm playing blind second and the whole point of the deck is breaking boards
"It's just maintenance right now" At least with online games, your game is usually dead or dying if it's in "maintenance mode". Even if new blood can be brought in, they're throw into the high-power, complicated mess that is Yugioh. That's a huge barrier, which is why formats are needed.
*The last time I played Yu-Gi-Oh at Locals was February 2020, before Covid was a major virus. I agree that over those last 4 years Yu-Gi-Oh changed a lot.I can't really say , if the changes are detrimental or good since the last time I played Yu-Gi-Oh was February 2020.*
Prize money is not an issue. That's irrleevant for 99.999 % of players. The issues are: 1. Pricing. The game is too expensive to the point a single card is worth more than an entire deck in othr games. 2. YGO cards are the absolute worst value when it comes to collecting. Other games will have variant rarities, variant arts, full arts, special editions, etc. YGO has the same card with a bit of foil at most and that's it. Cards from the 10th anniversary are worth 10 ¢ each because each and everyone of them is identical to every single version ever printed. 3. Rarity is absurd. In other games you may get the same card in different rarities, here the default rarity for staples or important archetype cards is Secret or above. That's absurd. 4. All card games got a huge bump during/after COVID. Konami got cocky and assumed the game gained popularity organically when in reality it was a momentaneous bump and it continued due to the hype caused by quarter century collections. 5. "wait 20 minutes for your turn and maybe discard Blossom. Now it's your turn... Just wait 5 more minutes during Standby so the opponent can continue his combo. Now it's Main but the opponent will negate every single action you make and destroy every card you play. Buy more packs btw"
They're gonna appeal to comp players when players after the initial success either went onto comp play or grew outta it. When I was in highschool in the late 00s early 10s you either dropped Yu-Gi-Oh as you grew up or you stuck with it so it made sense to narrow into the niche because they're the players who consistently where keeping the lgs in business and by extension more ways to sell product.
@@GG_Nowa That's a fallacy. The comp scene of any game is always a small niche percentage, not all players will go into comp. If a game attracts tons of new players, some of which end up going into comp, that means the main appeal of the game is not the comp scene. Appealing to that just means you won't attract new players and you're betting on old players sticking to it. But as it has happened with YGO and countless games appealing to the comp scene means the game loses what attracted new players to begin with. Again, players want to play the game, not sit down watching the opponent shuffle for 20 minutes and then attempt to play. Back in the day (and by that I mean every single format until Master Rule 5) OTK/FTK decks were considered the least fun to play against. They were considered the least interactive and even unfair playstyles so they were heavily restricted. By streamlining the game and making it focused only on OTK/FTK strategies they alienated every single old player except the small minority that liked that playstyle. It doesn't make any sense. The print policy of the TCG is also awful. Konami is attempting to milk a fanbase that doesn't exist.
500 comments in 6 days. Youre the only TH-cam channel that holds most of the obvious values for a duelist. I promise, 500 comments means its already dead. ARG era , you were looking at around 16,000.
The problem with competitive players is when you get that good at a card game you start branching out for a new challenge. People who top these YCS and Worlds events are also playing games like Magic, Lorcana, One Piece, they're playing SOMETHING else that also has a competitive scene with better incentives that are worth their time and effort of being good at the game. People talk about this game "dying" all the time, but THIS time there's more to it than "the meta sucks". Some of the most competitive cards are STAYING at 40-50+ PER COPY because Konami doesn't want to reprint them. Bonfire, Quem, Cartesia, Thrust, all of these cards are stupid expensive entirely because Konami's treating the TCG like a cash cow to be squeezed instead of reprinting cards like in the OCG. People don't want to play a card game where being even KIND OF good is pay-walled. It doesn't help that even the more popular decks like Blue-eyes and Dark Magician or even something like Heroes has cards that are 15-20 or even sometimes 30 bucks a copy. Yugioh is not an appealing game for new OR casual players because it's complicated, difficult, and very expensive to even attempt to build a "good" deck. But it's also becoming less desirable to play competitively because other card games with equal or greater challenge at the top tables have MONUMENTALLY better prize systems from special cards to entire CASES of booster boxes for the latest set. the only solutions that I can honestly see working long term is introducing and properly supporting set rotation, and alternate formats. My pitch for alt formats to be pushed by Konami is Edison, maybe a specific banlist from 2014-16, and TOSS (I personally am not a big fan of GOAT hence its omission).
My issue with Snake eyes is that they steal so many cards from other fire archetypes driving up prices for people that want to play things like salamangreat or fire king. I wish Konami would start making summon requirements more specific so this stops happening.
I hate that everyone wrote off Salamangreat Raging Phoenix when it was revealed but now it's like $50 because of Snake-Eyes. Should've bought when it was cheap.
What fire king card did they spike up? I honestly think the only cards they have "stole" are raging Phoenix and sunlight wolf, with the former being the one that was really driven up in price. Then you have princess that is generic support for fire decks in general. I recall heatsoul being used before but it is not really played now.
@@chewdoom8415 maybe they aren't "stealing" fire king cards but I've seen plenty of hybrid snake eyes fire king decks which probably bumped the prices for some stuff a bit.
I too hope konami sees the wrong of their ways and care for game over money. I'm sure their servers run on Number 38: Hope Harbinger Dragon Titanic Galaxy. I promise you, you'll always be disappointed putting your faith in a mature company like konami
@@Nominod I was really challenging what you said about snake eye impacting various fire archetypes. The impact they have on the affordability of fire staples is valid, but that really only applies to one archetype, which is Salamangreat. Princess, as I said, does boost the power of fire decks as a whole, but that is only two cards that were really inflated by being staples in the deck.
Unfortunately, alternate yugioh formats just aren't really possible at all. That's why none of the people asking for them have actually stated what specifically they're wanting. Making a format in Yugioh is really just picking a date and banning all cards released after it, which is arbitrary.
I think there's a very real threat at the moment because we're on the tail end of a TCG bubble. There were a lot of flop games but a handful have made it through the cracks. With limited time/space Yu-Gi-Oh should really buckle down and make a strong locals scene so it doesn't risk getting bumped down in favor of One Piece, Digimon, Lorcana or maybe even a dark horse like Grand Archive.
I'm conflicted lol I still want digimon to soar I'm pissed I had to sell off my cards so now Id have to start from scratch but with digimon you can still do that without coating you a million dollars to have good caught up collection
Yugioh isn't going to get bumped. One big thing it has going for it is that it's a huge and diverse game. There's an archetype for literally anyone. So if Konami ever feels like trying harder, they have loads of ways to attract people. Things like One Piece and Lorcana don't have this: the only people who will ever play the One Piece card game are people who liked the One Piece anime. The only people who will ever play Lorcana are people who like Disney animated movies (afaik they've not even added star wars or marvel yet).
@@yurisei6732 it is literally getting bumped…. Lgs bled out over RC01/RC02 reprints and the decimation of box values from the last 3 years. PS black rose is a top 3 fav card of mine I have the ghost and I love it 💕
What needs to be limited is free effects and beneficial costs. Discarded Poplar as cost? It doesn't activate it's effect. Special summoned a boss monster? It includes a restriction/drawback. And for the love of Obelisk, they need to put a stop to free searches/draws.
Sadly the biggest issue on the consumer lever is that lcs no longer stock almost any yugioh at all. Ive had 3 shop owners tell me that local play has all but died. And when lcs stops selling, the only option is chains like walmart at wildly up charged prices for mostly junk. Awful.
THANK YOU. Everyone talking about prizing like they are the next Jesse Kotton. Like calm down dude. The real issue is not that you did not get a 20 dollar Walmart gift card.
It's one thing for a game or IP to not have new players joining or getting into the hobby/game. It's an ENTIRELY different thing to have a game or IP that actually drives away new players that want to learn or join. Yu-Gi-Oh is not just hard for new players it's way too expensive just to get into the game, it was too complicated for no reason, the community is not really helpful (the good ones you know who you are and I'm not talking about you), and most of the time they have to learn all on their own. Card shops are dropping YGO left and right and saying it's one of the best things they've ever done. This video should be called; "Yugioh isn't dead, but it's dying.."
After rarity collection 1&2 the games dropped in price to enter vastly. Stores still have decks like traptrix and fire kings on shelves that themselves offer a handful of staples. The rest can be gotten cheap from a locals or online. As it stands to have a decent locals deck it's 45 tops. New players shouldn't be looking at the top end stuff at all
Your channel got me into Yugioh over the past two months or so, along with some kitchen table games with friends. I’m a longtime Magic player and when trying to build my first decks (Winged Dragon of Ra and Red-Eyes Burn) I’ve noticed that many of the card shops in my area don’t stock Yugioh anymore. All of them used to, from what I remember, but I’m having a genuinely difficult time finding a local store that has a good supply of singles to look through. It feels like a case of always being able to find something until you’re actually looking for it. I’ve greatly enjoyed my brief dip into the game and I hope things pick up soon. Right now I’m having to resort to online stores and haven’t found a good one for yugioh singles. Thanks for all your entertaining and informative content. It helped convince me to try the game.
Yugioh is dead not because of master duel. But because it is a bad product in itself that doesn't care about competitiveness. Yugioh is a game of luck that is always solved. Each format has the answer. Everything is constantly solved. Sure you have quirks, ideas, tricks. But they don't do anything to math or probability. It just isn't a game of skill. That is as it's core feature or value. But you're here buying booster packs thinking gotta beat the META with the META. I don't even know what yugioh geared up to the level of CSGO or DOTA2 fairness and competitiveness wise would look like. I mean yugioh is fun. Spicy. Funny, interesting. It has a lot going for it. But imagine if basketball wasn't a game of skill and you were tossing coins to see who wins. It wouldn't go very far time wise... Edit: I just by in large just don't see the value in yugioh. Or most card games. They are by their very model and nature not "timeless" in the way great games are. You can say, hey it's an online game but there's plenty of online games that are timeless. CSGO. can't play it though lol
@@f5673-t1h That is your bias and feelings because you were there. They are practically speaking identical for this type of argument. has to be a bot, why am I typing still? It's impossible a human thinks this. Genuinely. Without reason. For a time the game didn't even "exist." It was jokes and plays.
I live in the Bay Area and I literally can’t find nowhere to play every locals are really far yugioh has died over here I remember when I was lil yugioh shops where everywhere not anymore
I'd be fine with T0 formats if the T0 was $50. The problem is the price point for me. I switched to pokemon because the price is just so much easier to keep up with
The lack of cash prizes wouldn't be an issue, if this game was affordable. Playing competitively in a game that doesn't have cash prizes, shouldn't require these absurd cash sinks. Which is part of a bigger problem. It's too expensive, which makes it harder for new people to jump in. Look at Deck Builder sets. They're just over priced, worse versions of Structure Decks.
I have noticed walmart and targets cards have maybe 1 or 2 spots for yugioh and a shelf for everything else kinda annoying even locals are almost none i have one that has second hand cards but no new box contents so the if i want cards its online shopping now
Do you think the digital formats (master duel, duel links) are absorbing some of the casual players? Easy of access coupled with being able to build what you want without sinking huge amounts of cash in at the start, and being able to regularly find matches regardless of time/locale makes it a very comfortable path for average duelists to get what they are looking for out of the game?
Some of them, certainly, but not enough and not in useful ways. Master Duel concurrent players has stagnated just like the paper game, because you run into the problems of paper even more on digital where anyone can play the overpowered decks. The reason casual players aren't playing anymore is because casuals mostly enjoy Yugioh through the lens of their favourite decks. If those decks aren't playable, they don't go and play meta decks, they just don't play.
Also for our locals scene, people were more than willing to play speed duel. The second we realized they release horrid packs for it too instead of just being the contained decks everyone immediately dropped it.
I'm very new to Yu-Gi-Oh (coming from MTG) and tbh I understand the powercreep situation. My stance on this is : Building decks is extremely fun and a big part of YuGioh or MTG, and for me building an underdog deck is challenging, exciting and fun ! Also, if they can release cards that brake the format and get banned, they can absolutely release cards that will, by themselves, revive and archetype and make it meta, therefore, boosting sales of older products and newer products at the same time.
@@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheel Yeah I agree. When my OTS store dropped Tournament support for Yugioh, all my friends and I saw the writing on the wall.
I left as a child. Came back around 16 and was hooked until around 20. Then I would just play solo PSP titles for my yugioh fix or virtual duel (I forget the name). Then master duel came out and I hopped back in. After a year I quit again and have been back for the past 2 months strong but I'm getting bored of the meta.
So I think the thing to keep in mind is that we the players have to create our own alt formats, and then have konami recognize them. not the other way around. So if what we need is a lower power advanced-style format, then someone needs to create the community of players that play it, build it up (get a db ladder going, get lots of card stores to run tournaments, etc), in the same manner of goat and edison. it's certainly possible, but it will probably take a lot of work. especially because it's more intense from a game design perspective. You'd need to regularly update a ban list for new decks, and actively keep track of the meta to manage it
There was a window for that in the 2000s and early 10s, but it's closed now. Even MTG doesn't really get player-created formats anymore because those are all cubes instead of true "formats". Now MTG just has new official formats made for it. Yugioh especially can't have player-created formats because every player has a different idea of when yugioh was best. If you create a format designed to make for example blackwing shine, I'm likely to just ignore that and make a format where Weathery shine. Because yugioh has been so many different things, the only way you would get a playerbase for a format would be if Konami created it, and instead of going "but what if instead of new format A, we do new format B?", players just have to find how to enjoy the official format.
Really doesn't matter how many people go to a YCS if the local scene is dwindling across the country and shops are having some serious doubts about product in general. Players slowly give up and just play a bit of master duel here and there and then hard quit. Multitude of reasons discussed on the channel... powercreep, price, release schedule etc.
Lately at locals me and 4 others usually just play goat format in battle royale style and it’s a lot fun, goat is surprisingly diverse and I can make a lot of fun and unique decks for all of us to use
I was wondering, if the local scene is dying or there are less people, then how are the big stage events gaining so many players? Don't you need to win qualifers and smaller events like locals to get invites? I know regionals gives you invites but what about the other ways?
@@MrJuan_Vzla But how does that translate into the whole locals scene so called dying? They are open but don't they have locals that are qualifiers as well or if you win at a certain locals it lets you participate in nationals or at the higher level? My argument was about the whole hive mind that people have that yugioh is dying because we are getting more competitive players and less at smaller events like locals.
yeah actually the one deciding that yugioh will be dead or not are at local-casual grassroots level(not yugioh exclusive even), that it's mostly product related, and ocg always put yugioh on top 3 selling in Japan because well, ocg rarities. Not to say the prizing complaint is non-issue and hopefully there is improvement there, but it's actually the less likely source of yugioh being truly dead.
I'm just now getting into the game, pretty much for the first time despite aspects of it having been significant in my life for ages, and the weak local casual scene -- as well as the ridiculous tier zero decks like snake eyes -- are definitely discouraging
I think that’s the biggest problem. Everyone complains complains complains, but still play and I think that’s why konami does not care about the complaining because you will play regardless.
The people who try to say "yugioh isn't dying" I think miss what you're getting at, and it feels like even you are being optimistic by saying it's just stagnating. I said this on MBT's recent video where he talked about the cost of yugioh right now: If the game is over $100 to play a casual deck, there's no casual format, and there's less locals that are actually for casuals... then the game really is dying, at least for casuals. This phenomenon of competitive events getting higher attendance continues to surprise me, but it also makes me wonder how much of that is because it's the only time some of those people can play yugioh at all since they no longer have a locals? I wish there was a way to get real numbers on it since it seems like all we can do is give anecdotes. There are 4 card shops in my area and since the pandemic lock down only 1 supports yugioh or even carries it at all. In the past year or so, the shop stopped getting as much yugioh product because so much of it just stays on the shelf anyway. The majority of the former players stopped going, and in the last few years it went from 20ish people a week to about 8 or less who actually show up for the weekly locals. And they all play competitively and treat it as prep for tournaments (while also wanting to pull cards to sell from the OTS packs to try to make back some money). So even though I live in a city with 4 card shops, there is nowhere left to play yugioh as a casual anymore. You've been bringing up that you have to make the game work for you and not wait for Konami to fix it for you, but the only thing I do now is just play the master duel events or a master duel masochist run (while surrendering the majority of matches to save time), or I guess playing edison on dueling book. All of my friend group stopped playing yugioh entirely because the game is gone too far for them now. The same people I met 10 years ago through yugioh and became roommates with and played nearly daily with for years, quit and don't want to even try looking at it again. It's only my anecdote, but it does make me wonder how many other people are in a similar situation.
I would add how meta players don't understand casual and are out of touch, you see MBT shitting on the pre edison game talking how it was bad because x and y deck dominated tournements but that was totaly irrelevent to casual at the time, most peoples picked an archetype or a theme they enjoyed and build a deck around it, this was 90% of deck i saw back in the days. This is why i think no one should listen to these peoples, they are in some tourney echo chamber and doesn't understand that casual are the core player base of any cards games.
Its dying because Konami activated the magic card: Power Creep; this allows them to send all casual players to the card graveyard and then they are banished immediately to the shadow realm due to not being able to afford a meta deck💀
We won't get those here just like lots of OCG Exclusives. We still DO NOT have the Blue-Eyes and Dark Magician structure decks that came out in November 2023 and will most likely NEVER get those. So, the Tactical Try-decks are out of the window. And if those Try-decks ever comes here, they will dumb it down and replace the good staples with garbage ones.
In Serbia ygo was in every school, in every store, it had anime playing on 3 channels, it had locals every week, and big Tournaments in 3 biggest cities every year. We don't have anything now,: 1. Kids don't know what ygo is, 2. stores don't have it, 3. anime is nower to be seen, 4. no big tournaments, only small 1 Main City locals with like 15 guys attending it once a year, Ygo is dead in eastern EU and now is dying in Western EU starting this year officially. And now you say in USA card shops are drooping it. That's just more than bad Marketing, let go the Konami officials for marketing/meeta balancing and star again.
Kazuki Takahashi never wanted there to be cash prizes for Yu-Gi-Oh tournaments, believing that it would detract from the games fun. While I understand why he felt that way I ultimately have to disagree with him. By that logic anyone who plays sports is also only in it for the money and not because they love it. But regardless, now that Takahashi has passed away it's likely impossible for that to ever change, as it would likely be seen as a post mortem slap in the face to him. So we're probably stuck with that condition forever unfortunately 😞.
@@bluelightning118 The argument about prize support isn't about the current players. It's about having no draw for potential new players compared to other options that do have enticing prize support. Not to mention, the worse YGO gets, the more people jump ship to another game where their money and efforts are more rewarded.
@@Cybertech134 Again casual don't care and we dont need peoples that behave like Yu-gi-oh is a job for monetary value Normal peoples don't choose their free time game based on prize support, they pick what they find fun
Set rotation in MTG is a coping mechanism because of the Reserved List that somehow works out for them. Their alternative formats are still receiving new cards so via new Standards Sets while in Yugioh the Time Wizard format can get stale quite quickly because those formats are solved and new cards are not coming in.
That's my issue with Goat/Edison/Whatever. They are stale. It's fun to play for a while, give it enough time and there's nothing new to shake things up.
Set rotation has nothing to do with the reserved list. It exists to keep a fresh meta game rolling while making sure newer players aren't expected to buy cards to compete from sets that are out of print. Unfortunately modern WotC forgot this and extended standard to a three year rotation which put the nail in that format which was already doing badly because they shoved it onto Arena, a terrible sim.
The real problem is lack of freedom in deck building. Like I want to build a Skelton theme deck. No not that skeleton that just makes me throw 3 copies of the same monster and then throw 3 identical mister in there with bit more flavor Text. Bring back rouge home brews.
I think Paul hit the nail on the head when it came to Yu-Gi-Oh products, and how lackluster they have been not just last year but even going back all the way into Covid era. Dawn of majesty, lightning overdrive, and a plethora of side sets that’s did nothing except waste cardboard and the tree it came from.
Hand traps brought some balance to the game along with flood gates not being over used, the problem with modern yugioh is the opponent goes first builds board and passes turn you attempt to either build a board to combat theirs or break it and then they just get to full combo on your turn. That is why I quit playing. And don't even get me started on the toxic players
but then engines became consistent enough and small enough that you could run so many handtraps that if you were going first, they'd count towards your disruptions too. If you're going second, even if you completely prevent the opponent building a board, they may still have 2-3 handtraps you have to play through yourself. Handtraps were a mistake.
I've felt Yugioh isn't a game you play, it's a race now. That's been the discerning factor for a lot of new players. The goal of the game is to *end* it in the shortest amount of time possible, and the cards and strategies that are used and made now are evident of that. I also think that's how a lot of the community got split. There are people who want to play the game, and then there are people who want to *finish* the game.
The new TCG's are challenging the OG games like YGO and MTG and they don't know how to respond yet. Both games are going through the same things for the most part too. When consumers have more disposable income again (which I don't see happening unless someone globally slashes rent and other ludicrously high expenses) many of the problems will be gone.
Honestly im tired of seeing the same decks over and over again , it feels like dueling npcs , at this point i don't see how skills would matter in yugioh , and it always makes me laugh when a yugioh player says that they are planning a strategy when in reality it's the same one in every duel , even the players complainining about the game aren't any better themselves they are just mad because their favorite deck is not the meta .
I really hope APS tries out Domain format. It's literally YuGiOh's version of Commander, and I feel if they tried it for a video, it would bring more attention to Domain because it is really fun ( for me atleast).
The biggest problem is simply that the rarity distributions are so bad that most sets are a rip-off even at distributor prices, let alone RRP. Stores are giving up the game entirely to avoid taking massive losses on every new set, and as a result the casual side of the game has become non-existent. The competitive players who once made up only a small minority of the games players are now all that is left.
I really voice for rotation or more frequent banning and erratas. Being someone who left yugioh for a small time and now have been playing pokemon standard format, I've really enjoyed rotation. Yeah it's a bummer that certain cards leave but overall it freshens up metas and changes the game. It can make it slower or faster.
Pokemon is protected by the fact that each new set brings back a bunch of older pokemon, though. You never have to wait too long after your favourite pokemon are rotated out for them to be back in some form. If Yugioh did set rotation, you'd never see your old favourites again.
Pokémon bring back Pokémon people like with new ways to use them so functionally you still can hold the attachment to the Pokémon itself. Last year alone post September banlist to January this year there was 20 unique decks that topped that all play differently and if they're not reprinted into the pool there's no way to functionally create a deck that plays like them because you would create the issue of you're changing an archtype name out and people would catch on
I feel like the new players issue is the biggest thing myself. Master Duel is nice but when I talk to other people, they just say "oh, that's the game where peoples turns take 15 minutes and you lose before getting to play" and then whenever I've tried teaching people to play, there's so many different mechanics and little nuances to rulings that make them just get jaded. The cards also have far too much text a lot of the time, there's no reason they couldn't have come up with keywords like what the Digimon TCG and even Magic have, instead of half the text of an effect just outlining the conditions, make them game mechanics. I know it's just been compounding things from power-creep over the years and they never really implemented a fix (other than PSCT) but it's still frustrating.
Key words are a huge barrier in magic because they have feature creep where functionally two words can almost be the same but there's a slight difference but the difference matters enough to where it needs a new term that creates the same issue of mucho texto as you'll have to read a rulebook and referencing it to double check stuff
I think the issue with the current tier 0 format isn't so much that snake eye is very strong, i think the main issue people have is that the majority of decks capable of topping are decks that are half non engine and then a really compact engine that has flexible lines. Snake eye is just the most versatile and most flexible of the decks doing it right now but lots of other decks feel like they do the same thing. We've had a format before that featured like 20+ non engine cards and konami ended up mass banning those non engine cards to increase the diversity. Either konami has to make a concerted effort to increase the amount of cards new engines need to work or they need to ban out some of the hand traps and non engine
FAB is the only TCG that motivates you to really git gud with the high-profile events and big cash prizes. And you know, easier to onboard people, diverse meta, highly interactive gameplay. Enjoy YGO, but man it gets harder and harder to stay.
I think it’s falling in America at least cuz the barrier to entry is so high. I don’t understand how they expect new or returning players to learn it. Some might but for ever 1 you get, 4 try and give up.
Tier 0 has always been the deck that powers thru anything else to play solitaire when it can do it's gameplan Yata lock played thru any tool possible from trap holes to stun then would force you to surrender because they would just keep drawing cards while you wouldn't have a chance
Unless pricing & the rarity structure changes I know i'm going to be out in the next year or 2. I don't like spending 100 + bucks on 3 cards. It's such a waste. Additionally the constant tier 0 formats & power jumps kill my drive. I haven't been to the shop in weeks because just thinking about playing stresses me out. I have more fun dueling casually at home. I agree that a casual format like Magic's Commander could breath some life into this game again.
I honestly think if all handtraps were limited to 1 and a special summon limit was introduced (not a crazy one just a way to stop people summoning half their deck) similar to how they changed the rules for pendulums to balance the game out
@@yurisei6732 turn one should just be limited to what the turn player can do, the opponent shouldn’t be able to use more than one negate I only suggest a summon limit to encourage more back and forth play, if only one player gets to have a turn it’s no fun and I think what people need to remember is it’s a game the whole point is to have fun
I will say that the constant Tier 0 decks are a big reason I've gotten away from, and will never return to, the competitive scene. I grew tired of getting thrashed by decks I can't afford to play and that, no matter what I try and do, stop me from doing literally anything
Konami could solve the price to buy into the game, problem by making more current era reprint products that 1. Don't come out years after each format. 2. Stop Short Printing Staples in reprint products, and 3. Stop pushing new Archetypes over legacy support. The game has enough Archetypes already that are all pretty much lagging behind, that Konami could print nothing but reprint and legacy support products to catch each existing Archetype up, with a form of modern compatibility with multiple ways to build the deck around its extra deck. You could have a Blue Eyes Xyz Deck, and a Synchro Deck, and a Fusion Deck, Link, etc... and the Game would be fine. There just needs to be a few years with no new Archetypes, no new Deck Mechanics, or even new Monster Types.
We get mega tin Battle of legend A Christmas set that reprints more stuff The past 2 years they've been locking in more on aggressive reprints of cards that see play. Sure a few slip thru the cracks i.e unchained but also in that case that was entirely unexpected success
For some reasons the idea of a mid power format bugs me ( cause like....just play time wizard lol anything 2002-2015 👍🤝). Cause yeah what counts as a " mid power deck"? What if i wanted to try a mid power format but the decks available aren't interesting? Or my favorite mid power deck isnt considered that to whoever decides to make that format?
People just want a format in which they can play new decks that are not strong enough for the better new decks. Time Wizard is quite the opposite of what they want
I feel for people buying tier 0 decks that get nerfed within a month or master ruled out. Onto the next 0 deck. Shilling out money for a competition doesnt even do cash prizes. All you get is just another card... Not getting my money. Ill stick to occasionally get on MD and play my 1 fully built deck.
When i first started watching this channel i didn't play any TCGs. Now I play MTG and spend a good amount on it. It's been interesting to evolve my understanding and learn to recognize how a TCG's business model can affect how effective it is at meeting the needs of its playerbase.
Yugioh isn’t dying but it’s sick. It’s got real competition, crappy products, top players leaving, no major EU events, rarity gouging so prices on playable cards are sky rocketing, tier 0 formats one after another. It doesn’t look good.
There isn’t a point that I don’t disagree with but is it because of the tcg feel in the west or is this feeling coming from the ocg in Japan. Two different in theory ideologies and philosophies which is wild or am I wrong? Thoughts?
Goat has become tier 0 chaos (other cards) that absolutely isn't the way to go. Especially when people left goat because it's devolved into that instead of diverse skill based mets
Card shops should have embrace their autonomy to decide own banlists for Heart of the Underdog but maybe Konami can give cards power ratings from 1-100 so they can have official lower power level formats. With power rating 100 being the current main format and you can go all the way down so that even stronger level 4 normal monsters are limited or whatever
_To live doesn't mean you're alive._
Alex, will u do a video regarding ur beef with tyrel
I will say that me and my locals have had to make a new format to Play after and before the tourney where we play the worst of the worst decks and its been fun
(Vehicroids, valkyries, ect.)
Like Shirou said once, people die when they are killed 😂
Don't worry 'bout me and who I fire
@apsamplifier the way I cope with online formats not being the most fun is build a more slow deck (bad compared to current decks) for fun and try to win.
Currently I am playing a Kaiba Anime accurate deck (without Pot of Greed etc) and try to win (also I only play decks online that I have IRL to train them or chill out.
As a player trying to get back into Yu-Gi-Oh after a decade, and living in a fairly mid sized US city, it was really discouraging to see that all 7 dedicated game stores stopped carrying TCG products in the last few years. We have this really booming new shop too that carries everything else, but not Yu-Gi-Oh.
You’re absolutely right, if you lose the casual gamers, the gig is over. That’s how the game actually dies.
The competive players keep the game running at this point.
There's no real causual yugioh anymore
@@DragonBallsolosyourverseit really is a plight for competitive players only. If casual players don't even care about locals anymore, it's the competitive community that needs to demand and drive change.
Locals are mostly using the same meta decks that run rampant in competive
Is it a situation where more casual players may be getting their YGO fix in there form of products like duel links (mimic the anime) or master duel (plentiful matches available at the convenience of when the player wants). Tcgs recently have to brings something eye popping to get folks to buy in outside of legacy players or just bring the biggest game running (MtG).
I've been called an old head too many times saying that how YGO is now is way too toxic. They be like "oh you just like schoolyard YGO" I'm like no I like YGO where people can PLAY the game before you had a gimmick because the monster type your playing. Now all archetype have the same goal which is swarm, there's no real diverence in place. Whomever doesn't have a bricked hand wins be default and people KNOW this and still want to dare that "school yard YGO" was worse. The only bad opener back then was your homie had a Gemini Elf or they have a man-eater bug(s) ready. I always said competitive players that simply copy people's decks aren't good at the game. At that point you're not playing a TGC you're playing russian roulette
“Yugioh has a PROBLEM staying alive”
It’s in a vegetative state lol
Yeah, it feels like a terminal patient being kept on life support. The state of the game right now is the roughest it's ever been.
It's not dying, It's turning into a zombie type
Not bad. I choked on my coffee. Not bad at all...
And even zombies are largely forgotten as a type.
🥁
All they gotta do is print cards how they do in the OCG. They won't because they legitimately hate their playerbase.
They won't because the only playerbase they have left is the competitive players who will pay whatever Konami asks.
@@yurisei6732which is funny because OCG arguably more competitive as more players can reasonably get what they need to optimize their deck list in the OCG, leading to more; experimentation, practice, and a wider range of players.
Simple solution, Konami controls the entire distribution to ensure uniformity of cards released.
Better support for European players would be nice. They get jipped the most.
@@otterfire4712the OCG is not more competitive at all, there’s just more competitive players because there’s a lot more players in general. There’s a giant trading card game and gambling culture in Asian countries therefore it’s just more popular over there whereas in the TCG most players are trying to play to win and wanna play the best deck no matter the price. People in the OCG don’t care about the “investment” and will buy packs no matter what and will build “bad” decks just to have fun casually compared to the TCG people want to pull the best cards for the best decks or they don’t feel fulfilled.
Pricing is definitely why I stopped buying Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Not spending hundreds of dollars just for a handful of cards.
Play Duel Links or Master Duel. It’s not as expensive, but the older the account the more value it has accumulating cards that are one time event/life time releases.
Cards aren't expensive if your not buying cards heavily used within the Meta. Most cards I buy for deck building costs $1-3 a copy.
@@Citizen_Nappa23Yea but how do u play with those cards? At home with ur friends probably unless you want people to go the locals and likely get stomped.
And if u dont have friends around that also play then there's no reason at all to build a casual deck.
Me when I:P dove under 5$: Hell yeah, i can buy one now
Cards are cheaper than ever? What do you want another Biden Stimmy for the $400 deck 💀
Thing is, when people said yugioh was dying all those other times, they were kinda right. It has been dying this whole time. Players who love the game make fun of this everytime while this game fails to grip new players and loses old ones because the game continues.
They think it means like getting hit by a car or something. That it's going to be a sudden death, so therefore when that doesn't happen all the detractors are wrong. What they don't realize is that it's more like getting a terminal illness that slowly saps your strength until you're just a husk.
Yugioh players are like those smoker who insist they'll never get cancer at 20 and die at 35
That's exactly what I was thinking
Death by a thousand cuts, if you will. That, or a frog in a pot. By the time you realize that change is needed, you're already too late...
judging by all the people on this video's comment and paul's other video, I don't think these die-hard yugioh players will even see it that way. All they care about are their "prize support" and VaLuE cArDs!1!11!. These idiots don't get the fact that they can't cash out if no one buys their OVERPRICED cardboard. These guys would rather die on that hill than admit they were wrong.
The issue is it does get new players that no one recognizes. Went new YGO series brings in new kids. The issue is no one recognizes them until they get older.
I have been noticing a huge decline of product for a long time now in 90% of card shops that I have gone to. Also I feel like the whole yugioh is dying is that a huge portion of the community aren't big fans of what the game has become in the recent years and from most of the people in my play groups have all said that Konami doesn't diversify the game out side of the standard way we play the game. Either its either falls into 2 camps one Konami doesn't really support alt playstyles whether its old formats like goat, edizon, or HAT as well as any of the different playstyles that Konami listed that the player base should try out like deck master, heart of the underdog, etc. which is a shame because they make more money off of that product using reprints of older cards for a deck to play that specific playstyle or format. The second one is the way that they have 6 gens worth of yugioh going all at once or the speed & level of power creep that the game has generated has gone unchecked.
The part you made about the locals stopping supporting the game is pretty true in my area, 4 shops have stopped selling and holding events with Yu-Gi-Oh over the last 2 years, now they sell other games just not Yu-Gi-Oh as it's not profitable.
The prizing thing came from Takahashi himself. He didn’t want monetary based prizes. I’m not sure how this would affect serialized stuff though
Even with the pricing deal, the cards cost too much to be given bad rewards for winning expensive tournaments
Which is ironic considering the premise of more than HALF the yugioh franchises are players competing for prize money or competing in a circuit as a way to make a living. In all honesty, the man was a hypocrite in that regard. Maybe he thought that would ruin the spirit of the game, but literally in EVERY OTHER GAME, even at the time, this was never the case. Perhaps he felt Pressured to make that assessment because he feared that playing cards for the possibility of winning money would be misconstrued as gambling, but that's a far reach to make in and of itself. At the end of the day though, he is no longer with us, and the game has long since outgrown the source material. To continue being bound by a condition set in the early 2000s, before even 30% of households had internet access, when the climate of hobbies and the abundance of TCGs has changed, is absolutely stupid. Even if they don't do cash prizing though, Lorcana and One Piece don't ans thier prizing is worth thousands. Hell, their collectors products are worth thousands, because they know how to appease both collectors AND players. Konami doesn't know how to appease either.
He was murdered for a reason. Let the cash flow in.
(And ppl you know he was murdered).
That's true. There's also an archived Pojo thread where Julia Hedberg does also add that it's part of Konami's license agreement from Shueisha as well
@@JuanGonzalezZzZzZz...Let me guess, you think that Takahashi saving another man's life while in the ocean is reason to assume he was assassinated???
Rome also stagnated for a long time before eventually collapsing.
Like, i dont think this is necessarily an issue for the entirety of Yugioh. Its mostly just the TCG. The OCG seems to be doing fine, and Master Duel is its own can of worms from what I understand.
I will say that despite my issues with the recent "QCR Exclusive" fiasco with Magia, I at least appreciate that Konami is looking for ways to try and give sealed product more worth for vendors and collectors. Like, from a financial perspective, I think the future of this game's stability lies in the collector's market and I think that Konami further investing in it - as well as taking more risks with supplemental media like manga, anime & video games - could help to drive down the price of competitive Yugioh. Ideally, we want to be in the same position as Pokemon and have a strong multi-media presence, and unlike Magic the Gathering, Yugioh's far more capable of achieving that due to its anime aesthetic and many unique archetypes (each with their own lore and what have you). Stuff like the Sky Striker manga and the recent animation studio are huge steps in the right direction. The most that Magic the Gathering could really attempt with its IP by comparison is a TV series similar to Arcane (as well as the many novels that already exist). With the way that modern Yugioh is designed, our game is in a position where we could take bigger creative risks. Konami just has to be willing to do that.
I also agree that this game desperately needs more alternative formats. Beyond Junior Journey, the closest i've seen that looks interesting at all is Domain Format. Its a singleton format like Commander, and i only really know about it because Pot of Greed is legal at 1 (go figure). I think the big problem though is that a lot of people who want an alternative format (that aren't already playing Time Wizard formats) want to still be able to play with the cards/decks that they currently own. God knows its why I spent half a year experimenting with the game's mechanics in my free time, and it was the only time where my siblings were willing to play Yugioh with me since the mechanics I was experimenting with allowed for pretty much any deck to do stupid shit and make a comback. For an alternative format to really take off, it'll need to not only encourage casual play, but also include the entire modern card pool. Like, someone should be able to take a deck like Labrynth for example and be able to make it work in that format (even if it may not be as strong as it currently is in MR5). It'd also be nice if it supported 3+ player FFA games, which admittedly is a difficult task since it begins to further complicate cards like Infinite Impermanence for example. The reason 3+ player games are important though for an alternative format is because it reduces the chances of following the meta and encourages players to do their own thing. The reason for this is due to "politicing", or the overall social aspect of the game. If you were to walk in with a meta deck, its very likely that people would just gang up on you (unless they're all playing meta) since it paints a target on your back. There's also ostracization to worry about if you want to continue playing within that friend group. In a casual 3+ player game, a strong deck also has to be perceived as fair if you don't want to get shit on for piloting it. Like, if your friends are playing pure versions of Blackwings, Dragonmaid and Plunder Patrol, and you show up with Runick Stun, everyone's gonna have a bad time unless they all just collectively gang up on you once the match begins.
I personally think the game is on it's last legs and has been on borrowed time for years for these few reasons
1: Crappy prize support : Other games are doing what YGO should be doing and that is is either giving out cash or exclusive good products that's worth money , like there's no reason we should be getting Nintendo switches OG models in 2024 as a part of prizes. Why can't they just give us high end tech products like they used to do back in the day? i remember upper deck giving out Alienware laptops for prizing in the early 2000s.
2: Lack of kids playing : Most of the kids that played when i was in my early 20s is now in their early 20s /late teens and my son's generation could care less about playing YGO considering things like fortnight host cash tournaments yearly..
3: Stores not carrying YGO : Although my city has a decent competitive scene i know a lot of stores just don't deal with YGO because product rot on shelves but games like One Piece and Lorcana is selling like hotcakes with competitive circuits better than what konami is giving ygo players.
I don't want the game to stop anytime soon however with everything i just listed it's just a matter of time before it flatlines , unless Konami does a complete 180 and give us better prize support and figure out a way to attract a new younger audience. I personally think they should just go the MTG route and make yugioh a 13+ cardgame and cater it to young adults with revised prize structure.
"Crappy prize support" lol no one care about that, Yu-gi-oh need more casual and those doesn't play game to earn money like a second job
Fire King Snake Eyes decks, and popular style cards make me not care for Yugioh, I was a returning player, came back in 2018, now leaving again. Won't be back this time, dont care for prizing, its the card and game design that has ruined the it for me. Most people I know who care about Yugioh say the same thing. Yugioh used to be a strategic chess like game, now, its a glorified Voyuer simulater where a lot of players get off making you watch them play with themselves. It's laughable the anime spawned the garbage the TCG/OCG/MD has become.
I used to love playing Yu-Gi-Oh casually at locals back in the 2010s but drifted away when I moved cities.
I was planning on getting back into the game this year, but seeing how unfriendly the TCG has become to anyone but the most dedicated players willing to fork out hundreds on a tier 0 deck that isn't even particularly challenging or fun to play has turned me right off.
I might start looking into Magic...
The biggest thing about this format is that most people aren't having fun.
And if you're not having fun, it's harder to ignore problems.
I’m lucky enough to have a playgroup of 7 and we have curated our own format. We play so many old cards as well as many of the new and it’s so much fun. Yugioh needs formats for sure .
There is low support, printing is against budget, no casual formats, bad quality of products, banlist oriented for selling cards instead of fixing the problem immediately. It's not dying in Japan, but we know the game is handled differently there. I fear that the problem is like a Bell's Curve. Until they are going to raise the price and accessibility, the are gonna reach a level of dissatisfaction that will eventually be the downfall of the card game.
Personal opinion but yugioh is one player game meanwhile many tcg are two players game
Does people fun see people go combo for 15 minutes and in your turn you cannot break their board so it's their auto win? Yes that's not a two players game, it's one player game all right
If my opponent is going off that much I don't have anything which is luck of the draw in a card game or I'm playing blind second and the whole point of the deck is breaking boards
Old players are getting bored and new players think it's too complicated to keep going
"it's not dead" doesn't mean it's not dying.
guess what, the game didn't start dying when stores dropped it. it started way before.
Both of the local stores in my town have given up on Yu-Gi-Oh just this year. One’s been selling YGO since it opened in 2003.
"It's just maintenance right now"
At least with online games, your game is usually dead or dying if it's in "maintenance mode".
Even if new blood can be brought in, they're throw into the high-power, complicated mess that is Yugioh. That's a huge barrier, which is why formats are needed.
*The last time I played Yu-Gi-Oh at Locals was February 2020, before Covid was a major virus. I agree that over those last 4 years Yu-Gi-Oh changed a lot.I can't really say , if the changes are detrimental or good since the last time I played Yu-Gi-Oh was February 2020.*
Prize money is not an issue. That's irrleevant for 99.999 % of players.
The issues are:
1. Pricing. The game is too expensive to the point a single card is worth more than an entire deck in othr games.
2. YGO cards are the absolute worst value when it comes to collecting. Other games will have variant rarities, variant arts, full arts, special editions, etc. YGO has the same card with a bit of foil at most and that's it. Cards from the 10th anniversary are worth 10 ¢ each because each and everyone of them is identical to every single version ever printed.
3. Rarity is absurd. In other games you may get the same card in different rarities, here the default rarity for staples or important archetype cards is Secret or above. That's absurd.
4. All card games got a huge bump during/after COVID. Konami got cocky and assumed the game gained popularity organically when in reality it was a momentaneous bump and it continued due to the hype caused by quarter century collections.
5. "wait 20 minutes for your turn and maybe discard Blossom. Now it's your turn... Just wait 5 more minutes during Standby so the opponent can continue his combo. Now it's Main but the opponent will negate every single action you make and destroy every card you play. Buy more packs btw"
They're gonna appeal to comp players when players after the initial success either went onto comp play or grew outta it.
When I was in highschool in the late 00s early 10s you either dropped Yu-Gi-Oh as you grew up or you stuck with it so it made sense to narrow into the niche because they're the players who consistently where keeping the lgs in business and by extension more ways to sell product.
@@GG_Nowa That's a fallacy. The comp scene of any game is always a small niche percentage, not all players will go into comp.
If a game attracts tons of new players, some of which end up going into comp, that means the main appeal of the game is not the comp scene. Appealing to that just means you won't attract new players and you're betting on old players sticking to it.
But as it has happened with YGO and countless games appealing to the comp scene means the game loses what attracted new players to begin with. Again, players want to play the game, not sit down watching the opponent shuffle for 20 minutes and then attempt to play.
Back in the day (and by that I mean every single format until Master Rule 5) OTK/FTK decks were considered the least fun to play against. They were considered the least interactive and even unfair playstyles so they were heavily restricted. By streamlining the game and making it focused only on OTK/FTK strategies they alienated every single old player except the small minority that liked that playstyle. It doesn't make any sense.
The print policy of the TCG is also awful. Konami is attempting to milk a fanbase that doesn't exist.
500 comments in 6 days. Youre the only TH-cam channel that holds most of the obvious values for a duelist. I promise, 500 comments means its already dead. ARG era , you were looking at around 16,000.
The problem with competitive players is when you get that good at a card game you start branching out for a new challenge. People who top these YCS and Worlds events are also playing games like Magic, Lorcana, One Piece, they're playing SOMETHING else that also has a competitive scene with better incentives that are worth their time and effort of being good at the game.
People talk about this game "dying" all the time, but THIS time there's more to it than "the meta sucks". Some of the most competitive cards are STAYING at 40-50+ PER COPY because Konami doesn't want to reprint them. Bonfire, Quem, Cartesia, Thrust, all of these cards are stupid expensive entirely because Konami's treating the TCG like a cash cow to be squeezed instead of reprinting cards like in the OCG. People don't want to play a card game where being even KIND OF good is pay-walled. It doesn't help that even the more popular decks like Blue-eyes and Dark Magician or even something like Heroes has cards that are 15-20 or even sometimes 30 bucks a copy.
Yugioh is not an appealing game for new OR casual players because it's complicated, difficult, and very expensive to even attempt to build a "good" deck. But it's also becoming less desirable to play competitively because other card games with equal or greater challenge at the top tables have MONUMENTALLY better prize systems from special cards to entire CASES of booster boxes for the latest set.
the only solutions that I can honestly see working long term is introducing and properly supporting set rotation, and alternate formats. My pitch for alt formats to be pushed by Konami is Edison, maybe a specific banlist from 2014-16, and TOSS (I personally am not a big fan of GOAT hence its omission).
My issue with Snake eyes is that they steal so many cards from other fire archetypes driving up prices for people that want to play things like salamangreat or fire king. I wish Konami would start making summon requirements more specific so this stops happening.
I hate that everyone wrote off Salamangreat Raging Phoenix when it was revealed but now it's like $50 because of Snake-Eyes. Should've bought when it was cheap.
What fire king card did they spike up? I honestly think the only cards they have "stole" are raging Phoenix and sunlight wolf, with the former being the one that was really driven up in price. Then you have princess that is generic support for fire decks in general.
I recall heatsoul being used before but it is not really played now.
@@chewdoom8415 maybe they aren't "stealing" fire king cards but I've seen plenty of hybrid snake eyes fire king decks which probably bumped the prices for some stuff a bit.
I too hope konami sees the wrong of their ways and care for game over money. I'm sure their servers run on
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@@Nominod I was really challenging what you said about snake eye impacting various fire archetypes. The impact they have on the affordability of fire staples is valid, but that really only applies to one archetype, which is Salamangreat. Princess, as I said, does boost the power of fire decks as a whole, but that is only two cards that were really inflated by being staples in the deck.
If a commander type format for yugioh could be possible that’d be an interesting thing to try but idk how they’d do it
They did it in Master Duel. It didn't have the boss monster Commander had but they did do an event that was limited to one of each card.
It's a thing already. Look into Domain Format.
I feel like yugioh doesn't lend itself to multiplayer nearly as well as magic does.
Unfortunately, alternate yugioh formats just aren't really possible at all. That's why none of the people asking for them have actually stated what specifically they're wanting. Making a format in Yugioh is really just picking a date and banning all cards released after it, which is arbitrary.
@@yurisei6732 As someone with a massive draft cube, that's just not true.
Yugioh is at a meme culture point. The only thing or should I say person keeping Yu-Gi-Oh alive is Little Kuriboh.
nah... its dying. and its ok to admit it. Its better for the game to have a graceful sendoff than to see it milked to oblivion at this point.
Real take
It has been milked to oblivion at this point though.
@@Pocket-Calculator nah this could get much worse brother
I think there's a very real threat at the moment because we're on the tail end of a TCG bubble. There were a lot of flop games but a handful have made it through the cracks. With limited time/space Yu-Gi-Oh should really buckle down and make a strong locals scene so it doesn't risk getting bumped down in favor of One Piece, Digimon, Lorcana or maybe even a dark horse like Grand Archive.
I'm conflicted lol I still want digimon to soar I'm pissed I had to sell off my cards so now Id have to start from scratch but with digimon you can still do that without coating you a million dollars to have good caught up collection
Finally not a braindead comment 🎉
Yugioh isn't going to get bumped. One big thing it has going for it is that it's a huge and diverse game. There's an archetype for literally anyone. So if Konami ever feels like trying harder, they have loads of ways to attract people. Things like One Piece and Lorcana don't have this: the only people who will ever play the One Piece card game are people who liked the One Piece anime. The only people who will ever play Lorcana are people who like Disney animated movies (afaik they've not even added star wars or marvel yet).
@@yurisei6732 it is literally getting bumped…. Lgs bled out over RC01/RC02 reprints and the decimation of box values from the last 3 years. PS black rose is a top 3 fav card of mine I have the ghost and I love it 💕
I want to buy cards but i'd rather buy a house first.
Can we please just start limiting special summons already?
No because that creates kash esque monsters where the 1 body is a boss monster.
What needs to be limited is free effects and beneficial costs. Discarded Poplar as cost? It doesn't activate it's effect. Special summoned a boss monster? It includes a restriction/drawback.
And for the love of Obelisk, they need to put a stop to free searches/draws.
In my case I would limit special summon, removal effects, Add effects, and then "maybe" the game would be "balanced".
Sadly the biggest issue on the consumer lever is that lcs no longer stock almost any yugioh at all. Ive had 3 shop owners tell me that local play has all but died. And when lcs stops selling, the only option is chains like walmart at wildly up charged prices for mostly junk. Awful.
This game is on life support lol
THANK YOU. Everyone talking about prizing like they are the next Jesse Kotton. Like calm down dude. The real issue is not that you did not get a 20 dollar Walmart gift card.
It's one thing for a game or IP to not have new players joining or getting into the hobby/game. It's an ENTIRELY different thing to have a game or IP that actually drives away new players that want to learn or join. Yu-Gi-Oh is not just hard for new players it's way too expensive just to get into the game, it was too complicated for no reason, the community is not really helpful (the good ones you know who you are and I'm not talking about you), and most of the time they have to learn all on their own. Card shops are dropping YGO left and right and saying it's one of the best things they've ever done. This video should be called; "Yugioh isn't dead, but it's dying.."
After rarity collection 1&2 the games dropped in price to enter vastly.
Stores still have decks like traptrix and fire kings on shelves that themselves offer a handful of staples.
The rest can be gotten cheap from a locals or online. As it stands to have a decent locals deck it's 45 tops.
New players shouldn't be looking at the top end stuff at all
Your channel got me into Yugioh over the past two months or so, along with some kitchen table games with friends.
I’m a longtime Magic player and when trying to build my first decks (Winged Dragon of Ra and Red-Eyes Burn) I’ve noticed that many of the card shops in my area don’t stock Yugioh anymore.
All of them used to, from what I remember, but I’m having a genuinely difficult time finding a local store that has a good supply of singles to look through. It feels like a case of always being able to find something until you’re actually looking for it.
I’ve greatly enjoyed my brief dip into the game and I hope things pick up soon. Right now I’m having to resort to online stores and haven’t found a good one for yugioh singles. Thanks for all your entertaining and informative content. It helped convince me to try the game.
cardmarket if you're in the EU or UK, and I believe TCGplayer for US?
Yugioh isnt dying, but Yugioh is dead. The game we played 20 years ago is not the game we have today. Theyre both good games though. Long live Yugioh.
No they're not "both" good games. Only the original is the good game.
Yugioh is dead not because of master duel. But because it is a bad product in itself that doesn't care about competitiveness. Yugioh is a game of luck that is always solved. Each format has the answer. Everything is constantly solved. Sure you have quirks, ideas, tricks. But they don't do anything to math or probability. It just isn't a game of skill. That is as it's core feature or value. But you're here buying booster packs thinking gotta beat the META with the META. I don't even know what yugioh geared up to the level of CSGO or DOTA2 fairness and competitiveness wise would look like. I mean yugioh is fun. Spicy. Funny, interesting. It has a lot going for it. But imagine if basketball wasn't a game of skill and you were tossing coins to see who wins. It wouldn't go very far time wise... Edit: I just by in large just don't see the value in yugioh. Or most card games. They are by their very model and nature not "timeless" in the way great games are. You can say, hey it's an online game but there's plenty of online games that are timeless. CSGO. can't play it though lol
Speed duels is still alive
@@f5673-t1h That is your bias and feelings because you were there. They are practically speaking identical for this type of argument. has to be a bot, why am I typing still? It's impossible a human thinks this. Genuinely. Without reason. For a time the game didn't even "exist." It was jokes and plays.
@@TheCrimsonFrenzyPSN You contradict yourself. You cant solve a game of luck.
I live in the Bay Area and I literally can’t find nowhere to play every locals are really far yugioh has died over here I remember when I was lil yugioh shops where everywhere not anymore
Many players have fallen off at my locals including myself. They would average 18 players a night and now they are lucky to get 8
I'd be fine with T0 formats if the T0 was $50. The problem is the price point for me. I switched to pokemon because the price is just so much easier to keep up with
The lack of cash prizes wouldn't be an issue, if this game was affordable.
Playing competitively in a game that doesn't have cash prizes, shouldn't require these absurd cash sinks.
Which is part of a bigger problem. It's too expensive, which makes it harder for new people to jump in.
Look at Deck Builder sets. They're just over priced, worse versions of Structure Decks.
Deck build sets are only called that in the ocg because they're 30 bucks a box and each box is always able to make 1 of the 3 themes introduced.
@@GG_Nowa If that's true, I've got to hand it to Konami for ruining the entire product in the West.
I must ask, and if anyone knows, please, how does one obtain a big card like the one in the background he has?
I have noticed walmart and targets cards have maybe 1 or 2 spots for yugioh and a shelf for everything else kinda annoying even locals are almost none i have one that has second hand cards but no new box contents so the if i want cards its online shopping now
Do you think the digital formats (master duel, duel links) are absorbing some of the casual players? Easy of access coupled with being able to build what you want without sinking huge amounts of cash in at the start, and being able to regularly find matches regardless of time/locale makes it a very comfortable path for average duelists to get what they are looking for out of the game?
Some of them, certainly, but not enough and not in useful ways. Master Duel concurrent players has stagnated just like the paper game, because you run into the problems of paper even more on digital where anyone can play the overpowered decks. The reason casual players aren't playing anymore is because casuals mostly enjoy Yugioh through the lens of their favourite decks. If those decks aren't playable, they don't go and play meta decks, they just don't play.
People saying YuGiOh is dying is losing its effect. For the past 25 years it is still flourishing.
Also for our locals scene, people were more than willing to play speed duel. The second we realized they release horrid packs for it too instead of just being the contained decks everyone immediately dropped it.
I think a sealed format like drafting would be a perfect solution to this problem.
I'm very new to Yu-Gi-Oh (coming from MTG) and tbh I understand the powercreep situation.
My stance on this is : Building decks is extremely fun and a big part of YuGioh or MTG, and for me building an underdog deck is challenging, exciting and fun !
Also, if they can release cards that brake the format and get banned, they can absolutely release cards that will, by themselves, revive and archetype and make it meta, therefore, boosting sales of older products and newer products at the same time.
I just built a bunch if Domain decks and every locals I scoop up players that scrub out to teach them Domain format.
A new week a new yugioh is dying discussion
I'd believe you if a bunch of my locals didn't just stop holding events and selling product
Good.
@@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheel Yeah I agree. When my OTS store dropped Tournament support for Yugioh, all my friends and I saw the writing on the wall.
I like your comments about the local environment. That’s definitely the biggest issue. Snake-eyes doesn’t affect locals like people think it does
I left as a child. Came back around 16 and was hooked until around 20. Then I would just play solo PSP titles for my yugioh fix or virtual duel (I forget the name). Then master duel came out and I hopped back in. After a year I quit again and have been back for the past 2 months strong but I'm getting bored of the meta.
So I think the thing to keep in mind is that we the players have to create our own alt formats, and then have konami recognize them. not the other way around. So if what we need is a lower power advanced-style format, then someone needs to create the community of players that play it, build it up (get a db ladder going, get lots of card stores to run tournaments, etc), in the same manner of goat and edison. it's certainly possible, but it will probably take a lot of work. especially because it's more intense from a game design perspective. You'd need to regularly update a ban list for new decks, and actively keep track of the meta to manage it
There was a window for that in the 2000s and early 10s, but it's closed now. Even MTG doesn't really get player-created formats anymore because those are all cubes instead of true "formats". Now MTG just has new official formats made for it. Yugioh especially can't have player-created formats because every player has a different idea of when yugioh was best. If you create a format designed to make for example blackwing shine, I'm likely to just ignore that and make a format where Weathery shine. Because yugioh has been so many different things, the only way you would get a playerbase for a format would be if Konami created it, and instead of going "but what if instead of new format A, we do new format B?", players just have to find how to enjoy the official format.
Really doesn't matter how many people go to a YCS if the local scene is dwindling across the country and shops are having some serious doubts about product in general.
Players slowly give up and just play a bit of master duel here and there and then hard quit. Multitude of reasons discussed on the channel... powercreep, price, release schedule etc.
Lately at locals me and 4 others usually just play goat format in battle royale style and it’s a lot fun, goat is surprisingly diverse and I can make a lot of fun and unique decks for all of us to use
I was wondering, if the local scene is dying or there are less people, then how are the big stage events gaining so many players? Don't you need to win qualifers and smaller events like locals to get invites? I know regionals gives you invites but what about the other ways?
Regionals and nationals are open to everyone, but if you earn an invitation for the National then the cost is waived.
@@MrJuan_Vzla But how does that translate into the whole locals scene so called dying? They are open but don't they have locals that are qualifiers as well or if you win at a certain locals it lets you participate in nationals or at the higher level? My argument was about the whole hive mind that people have that yugioh is dying because we are getting more competitive players and less at smaller events like locals.
I'd like to start playing one piece tcg. I wouldnt be surprised if it surpasses ygo someday.
yeah actually the one deciding that yugioh will be dead or not are at local-casual grassroots level(not yugioh exclusive even), that it's mostly product related, and ocg always put yugioh on top 3 selling in Japan because well, ocg rarities. Not to say the prizing complaint is non-issue and hopefully there is improvement there, but it's actually the less likely source of yugioh being truly dead.
I'm just now getting into the game, pretty much for the first time despite aspects of it having been significant in my life for ages, and the weak local casual scene -- as well as the ridiculous tier zero decks like snake eyes -- are definitely discouraging
I think that’s the biggest problem. Everyone complains complains complains, but still play and I think that’s why konami does not care about the complaining because you will play regardless.
The people who try to say "yugioh isn't dying" I think miss what you're getting at, and it feels like even you are being optimistic by saying it's just stagnating. I said this on MBT's recent video where he talked about the cost of yugioh right now: If the game is over $100 to play a casual deck, there's no casual format, and there's less locals that are actually for casuals... then the game really is dying, at least for casuals.
This phenomenon of competitive events getting higher attendance continues to surprise me, but it also makes me wonder how much of that is because it's the only time some of those people can play yugioh at all since they no longer have a locals? I wish there was a way to get real numbers on it since it seems like all we can do is give anecdotes. There are 4 card shops in my area and since the pandemic lock down only 1 supports yugioh or even carries it at all. In the past year or so, the shop stopped getting as much yugioh product because so much of it just stays on the shelf anyway. The majority of the former players stopped going, and in the last few years it went from 20ish people a week to about 8 or less who actually show up for the weekly locals. And they all play competitively and treat it as prep for tournaments (while also wanting to pull cards to sell from the OTS packs to try to make back some money).
So even though I live in a city with 4 card shops, there is nowhere left to play yugioh as a casual anymore. You've been bringing up that you have to make the game work for you and not wait for Konami to fix it for you, but the only thing I do now is just play the master duel events or a master duel masochist run (while surrendering the majority of matches to save time), or I guess playing edison on dueling book. All of my friend group stopped playing yugioh entirely because the game is gone too far for them now. The same people I met 10 years ago through yugioh and became roommates with and played nearly daily with for years, quit and don't want to even try looking at it again. It's only my anecdote, but it does make me wonder how many other people are in a similar situation.
I would add how meta players don't understand casual and are out of touch, you see MBT shitting on the pre edison game talking how it was bad because x and y deck dominated tournements but that was totaly irrelevent to casual at the time, most peoples picked an archetype or a theme they enjoyed and build a deck around it, this was 90% of deck i saw back in the days.
This is why i think no one should listen to these peoples, they are in some tourney echo chamber and doesn't understand that casual are the core player base of any cards games.
Its dying because Konami activated the magic card: Power Creep; this allows them to send all casual players to the card graveyard and then they are banished immediately to the shadow realm due to not being able to afford a meta deck💀
I'm optimistic with the Tactical decka they announced for the OCG. They seem great, hopefully they will keep the pace for some time following that
That assumes that you get them in the West.
We won't get those here just like lots of OCG Exclusives. We still DO NOT have the Blue-Eyes and Dark Magician structure decks that came out in November 2023 and will most likely NEVER get those. So, the Tactical Try-decks are out of the window.
And if those Try-decks ever comes here, they will dumb it down and replace the good staples with garbage ones.
@@BGLoscar Damn, really? I was hoping to get them, since they promoted them on Master Duel
In Serbia ygo was in every school, in every store, it had anime playing on 3 channels, it had locals every week, and big Tournaments in 3 biggest cities every year. We don't have anything now,: 1. Kids don't know what ygo is,
2. stores don't have it,
3. anime is nower to be seen,
4. no big tournaments, only small 1 Main City locals with like 15 guys attending it once a year,
Ygo is dead in eastern EU and now is dying in Western EU starting this year officially.
And now you say in USA card shops are drooping it. That's just more than bad Marketing, let go the Konami officials for marketing/meeta balancing and star again.
For casuals, scrubs and unserious yugi-boomers the game is always dying.
A wise man once said "It's dead bury it." Rip mother Teresa.
Kazuki Takahashi never wanted there to be cash prizes for Yu-Gi-Oh tournaments, believing that it would detract from the games fun. While I understand why he felt that way I ultimately have to disagree with him. By that logic anyone who plays sports is also only in it for the money and not because they love it.
But regardless, now that Takahashi has passed away it's likely impossible for that to ever change, as it would likely be seen as a post mortem slap in the face to him. So we're probably stuck with that condition forever unfortunately 😞.
Casuals don't care about prize support
Nobody that actually plays either for fun or competitively actually cares about prize support
@@bluelightning118 The argument about prize support isn't about the current players. It's about having no draw for potential new players compared to other options that do have enticing prize support. Not to mention, the worse YGO gets, the more people jump ship to another game where their money and efforts are more rewarded.
@@Cybertech134 Again casual don't care and we dont need peoples that behave like Yu-gi-oh is a job for monetary value
Normal peoples don't choose their free time game based on prize support, they pick what they find fun
Set rotation in MTG is a coping mechanism because of the Reserved List that somehow works out for them.
Their alternative formats are still receiving new cards so via new Standards Sets while in Yugioh the Time Wizard format can get stale quite quickly because those formats are solved and new cards are not coming in.
That's my issue with Goat/Edison/Whatever. They are stale.
It's fun to play for a while, give it enough time and there's nothing new to shake things up.
Set rotation has nothing to do with the reserved list. It exists to keep a fresh meta game rolling while making sure newer players aren't expected to buy cards to compete from sets that are out of print. Unfortunately modern WotC forgot this and extended standard to a three year rotation which put the nail in that format which was already doing badly because they shoved it onto Arena, a terrible sim.
Most formats aren't even solved.
Far from it.
Years later fire water format learned the best deck of the format was dark world
The real problem is lack of freedom in deck building. Like I want to build a Skelton theme deck. No not that skeleton that just makes me throw 3 copies of the same monster and then throw 3 identical mister in there with bit more flavor Text. Bring back rouge home brews.
I think Paul hit the nail on the head when it came to Yu-Gi-Oh products, and how lackluster they have been not just last year but even going back all the way into Covid era. Dawn of majesty, lightning overdrive, and a plethora of side sets that’s did nothing except waste cardboard and the tree it came from.
Hand traps brought some balance to the game along with flood gates not being over used, the problem with modern yugioh is the opponent goes first builds board and passes turn you attempt to either build a board to combat theirs or break it and then they just get to full combo on your turn. That is why I quit playing. And don't even get me started on the toxic players
but then engines became consistent enough and small enough that you could run so many handtraps that if you were going first, they'd count towards your disruptions too. If you're going second, even if you completely prevent the opponent building a board, they may still have 2-3 handtraps you have to play through yourself. Handtraps were a mistake.
@@yurisei6732 I would prefer that over my opponents literally continuing their combo on my turn
My LGS no longer holds YGO night. Thursdays are now for lorcana 😢
Why cant the TCG print like the OCG?
I've felt Yugioh isn't a game you play, it's a race now. That's been the discerning factor for a lot of new players. The goal of the game is to *end* it in the shortest amount of time possible, and the cards and strategies that are used and made now are evident of that.
I also think that's how a lot of the community got split. There are people who want to play the game, and then there are people who want to *finish* the game.
The new TCG's are challenging the OG games like YGO and MTG and they don't know how to respond yet. Both games are going through the same things for the most part too. When consumers have more disposable income again (which I don't see happening unless someone globally slashes rent and other ludicrously high expenses) many of the problems will be gone.
Honestly im tired of seeing the same decks over and over again , it feels like dueling npcs , at this point i don't see how skills would matter in yugioh , and it always makes me laugh when a yugioh player says that they are planning a strategy when in reality it's the same one in every duel , even the players complainining about the game aren't any better themselves they are just mad because their favorite deck is not the meta .
I really hope APS tries out Domain format. It's literally YuGiOh's version of Commander, and I feel if they tried it for a video, it would bring more attention to Domain because it is really fun ( for me atleast).
The game It’s dead to me, i just come to youtube to see it’s grave and remember the good old times.
The biggest problem is simply that the rarity distributions are so bad that most sets are a rip-off even at distributor prices, let alone RRP. Stores are giving up the game entirely to avoid taking massive losses on every new set, and as a result the casual side of the game has become non-existent. The competitive players who once made up only a small minority of the games players are now all that is left.
I really voice for rotation or more frequent banning and erratas. Being someone who left yugioh for a small time and now have been playing pokemon standard format, I've really enjoyed rotation. Yeah it's a bummer that certain cards leave but overall it freshens up metas and changes the game. It can make it slower or faster.
Pokemon is protected by the fact that each new set brings back a bunch of older pokemon, though. You never have to wait too long after your favourite pokemon are rotated out for them to be back in some form. If Yugioh did set rotation, you'd never see your old favourites again.
Pokémon bring back Pokémon people like with new ways to use them so functionally you still can hold the attachment to the Pokémon itself.
Last year alone post September banlist to January this year there was 20 unique decks that topped that all play differently and if they're not reprinted into the pool there's no way to functionally create a deck that plays like them because you would create the issue of you're changing an archtype name out and people would catch on
I feel like the new players issue is the biggest thing myself. Master Duel is nice but when I talk to other people, they just say "oh, that's the game where peoples turns take 15 minutes and you lose before getting to play" and then whenever I've tried teaching people to play, there's so many different mechanics and little nuances to rulings that make them just get jaded.
The cards also have far too much text a lot of the time, there's no reason they couldn't have come up with keywords like what the Digimon TCG and even Magic have, instead of half the text of an effect just outlining the conditions, make them game mechanics.
I know it's just been compounding things from power-creep over the years and they never really implemented a fix (other than PSCT) but it's still frustrating.
Key words are a huge barrier in magic because they have feature creep where functionally two words can almost be the same but there's a slight difference but the difference matters enough to where it needs a new term that creates the same issue of mucho texto as you'll have to read a rulebook and referencing it to double check stuff
I think the issue with the current tier 0 format isn't so much that snake eye is very strong, i think the main issue people have is that the majority of decks capable of topping are decks that are half non engine and then a really compact engine that has flexible lines. Snake eye is just the most versatile and most flexible of the decks doing it right now but lots of other decks feel like they do the same thing. We've had a format before that featured like 20+ non engine cards and konami ended up mass banning those non engine cards to increase the diversity. Either konami has to make a concerted effort to increase the amount of cards new engines need to work or they need to ban out some of the hand traps and non engine
FAB is the only TCG that motivates you to really git gud with the high-profile events and big cash prizes. And you know, easier to onboard people, diverse meta, highly interactive gameplay. Enjoy YGO, but man it gets harder and harder to stay.
I think it’s falling in America at least cuz the barrier to entry is so high. I don’t understand how they expect new or returning players to learn it. Some might but for ever 1 you get, 4 try and give up.
Solution, Konami releases a Block Dragon Synchro and a new, usable level 8 rock monster that you can add off of Shell Knight. Easy.
Modern yugioh- tier zero deck means which deck can play solitaire the best while dealing with hand traps to keep playing solitaire =)
Tier 0 has always been the deck that powers thru anything else to play solitaire when it can do it's gameplan
Yata lock played thru any tool possible from trap holes to stun then would force you to surrender because they would just keep drawing cards while you wouldn't have a chance
Unless pricing & the rarity structure changes I know i'm going to be out in the next year or 2. I don't like spending 100 + bucks on 3 cards. It's such a waste.
Additionally the constant tier 0 formats & power jumps kill my drive. I haven't been to the shop in weeks because just thinking about playing stresses me out. I have more fun dueling casually at home. I agree that a casual format like Magic's Commander could breath some life into this game again.
I honestly think if all handtraps were limited to 1 and a special summon limit was introduced (not a crazy one just a way to stop people summoning half their deck) similar to how they changed the rules for pendulums to balance the game out
I don't think you even need a full summon limit, just a limit on what can be established on turn 1 would do wonders.
@@yurisei6732 turn one should just be limited to what the turn player can do, the opponent shouldn’t be able to use more than one negate
I only suggest a summon limit to encourage more back and forth play, if only one player gets to have a turn it’s no fun and I think what people need to remember is it’s a game the whole point is to have fun
Hand traps being limited is bad though and as we saw with kash limits like that would result in power centralised in one card you sit on
I will say that the constant Tier 0 decks are a big reason I've gotten away from, and will never return to, the competitive scene. I grew tired of getting thrashed by decks I can't afford to play and that, no matter what I try and do, stop me from doing literally anything
Konami could solve the price to buy into the game, problem by making more current era reprint products that 1. Don't come out years after each format. 2. Stop Short Printing Staples in reprint products, and 3. Stop pushing new Archetypes over legacy support. The game has enough Archetypes already that are all pretty much lagging behind, that Konami could print nothing but reprint and legacy support products to catch each existing Archetype up, with a form of modern compatibility with multiple ways to build the deck around its extra deck. You could have a Blue Eyes Xyz Deck, and a Synchro Deck, and a Fusion Deck, Link, etc... and the Game would be fine. There just needs to be a few years with no new Archetypes, no new Deck Mechanics, or even new Monster Types.
We get mega tin
Battle of legend
A Christmas set that reprints more stuff
The past 2 years they've been locking in more on aggressive reprints of cards that see play.
Sure a few slip thru the cracks i.e unchained but also in that case that was entirely unexpected success
For some reasons the idea of a mid power format bugs me ( cause like....just play time wizard lol anything 2002-2015 👍🤝). Cause yeah what counts as a " mid power deck"? What if i wanted to try a mid power format but the decks available aren't interesting? Or my favorite mid power deck isnt considered that to whoever decides to make that format?
People just want a format in which they can play new decks that are not strong enough for the better new decks. Time Wizard is quite the opposite of what they want
I feel for people buying tier 0 decks that get nerfed within a month or master ruled out. Onto the next 0 deck. Shilling out money for a competition doesnt even do cash prizes. All you get is just another card... Not getting my money. Ill stick to occasionally get on MD and play my 1 fully built deck.
When i first started watching this channel i didn't play any TCGs. Now I play MTG and spend a good amount on it.
It's been interesting to evolve my understanding and learn to recognize how a TCG's business model can affect how effective it is at meeting the needs of its playerbase.
Yugioh isn’t dying but it’s sick. It’s got real competition, crappy products, top players leaving, no major EU events, rarity gouging so prices on playable cards are sky rocketing, tier 0 formats one after another. It doesn’t look good.
There isn’t a point that I don’t disagree with but is it because of the tcg feel in the west or is this feeling coming from the ocg in Japan. Two different in theory ideologies and philosophies which is wild or am I wrong? Thoughts?
GOAT is the only way to go
Goat has become tier 0 chaos (other cards) that absolutely isn't the way to go.
Especially when people left goat because it's devolved into that instead of diverse skill based mets
Card shops should have embrace their autonomy to decide own banlists for Heart of the Underdog but maybe Konami can give cards power ratings from 1-100 so they can have official lower power level formats. With power rating 100 being the current main format and you can go all the way down so that even stronger level 4 normal monsters are limited or whatever