@@drex5160 the insane funny thing is San Marino can potensialy reach the wc playoff since 4 of the 12 highest ranked nation league group winners is guaranteed a playoff spot
As your loyal Zealandists, we have all conducted formal research and concluded that it takes up to 4 weeks to fully recover from a marathon. It’s been over a week and so you can do some activities like swimming or cycling that don’t have any strain on your legs, but you shouldn’t be doing anything but light jogs for the rest of the month. After this timeframe has been completed, we will be back to our regularly scheduled bullying. Signed, the Zealandists
Or that one group of people from central America/Caribbean/Mexico I'm forgetting the specifics on (Theres this village where the kids "fun" for the day is playing tag during their 18 mile run between the villages)
@@JasonCliftJones Last time I ran one was 12 years ago. I was 65 at the time and I didn’t run for 3 weeks and mildly jogged a 5K on my first day back. Z is certainly younger than I was, but he simply doesn’t have a distance runner body type.
I have this horrible feeling that Lamine Yamal and all these youngsters will be blown by their mid 20s unless they care for their bodies like Ronaldo does. Hope I'm wrong.
Yamal has foo much talent to be blown at any point of his career, he's genuinely the best teenager I've ever seen play football and it's not close. Thankfully for him he'll have a full rest at the end of this season
@@milaninter2442 being "blown out" has nothing to do with talent. We aren't saying they will lose their talent, but that their bodies will fail them. Gavi and Pedri are the two most recent examples of this - both played regular first team action from the age of 16 (like Yamal) and both are struggling with reoccurring injuries in their late teens and early 20s. Playing that many matches before the body has fully developed is the problem. Males continue to grow until the age of 19, meaning you are putting too much strain on underdeveloped muscles. Unfortunately I can see Lamal heading for the exact same issues. His "full rest" at the end of the season is simply not true. He'll be picked for Spain's Nations league QF, SF and final (assuming the make the final). Together with Barca and a potential 7 match Club World Cup run in the off-season in 2025. Then there's high intensity pre-season training and conditioning, before having to play numerous friendlies to get "match fit" for the new season. Lamal will be lucky to have 2 weeks off between this season, and next season, playing likely 70+ games each season.
The interesting thing for me is that during this period, Archie Grey was a Champioship player for most of the period. Last season, he played all but 2 league games, all of Leeds' cup games, three matches in the playoffs and a handful of England U21 games. In total, about 55 games in the season. That doesn't include and exhibition matches or pre-season friendlies which would probably take the total over 60. That was 55 standard scheduled fixtures created by the FA and the Football League that he played in...... Its not just the clubs that are doing this for the finances......
Reading fc are banned from signing players so we have to rely on players like tyler bindon if there was a limit on miunets for teenagers reading would not have a full 11 by the end of the season
Fr and reading has had quite a few great youth players so if a cap of minutes was applied it would hamper them dramatically. Either forcing them to rotate out stronger players for weaker players or forcing fixed and predetermined substitutions making less substitutions available for the players that need it creating a higher injury risk
6:50 Does it sound dumb tho? Were im coming from its an extreme hassle to sign up a 16/17 year old to work in your company, because you have to accommodate them in a special way, give them longer breaks, restrict the amount of hours they can do - simply said: you have a higher duty to protect them than with any other employee you have, and going against its will screw your company up more than with an adult employee too. I dont know why this idea should be absurd when we have already realiable data that working football in its current form (that amount) is detrimental to the developing body. It leads to longterm health issues they will be left alone with when ending their careers. In every other sector we have strict rules against that. They are still kids. We are supposed to protect them. The young players wont agree to a contractual cap of games to not hinder their development, the clubs will not support such a movement based on teens potentially bringing the same result, but being considerably cheaper. So a legislative body has to put a rule in place. Once upon a time the around the world FAs did that, for the betterment of the game - today all they do i trying to figure out how to extract even more money from the work other people do. So they wont do it either.
In Japan high school baseball is a big deal, and they set a maximum number of pitches allowed for pitchers so they don't destroy their shoulders at a young age and ruin their potential career
This is missing a lot of context. The limit for Japenese high schoolers is 7 innings or 100 pitches PER DAY. They have a 500 pitch per week limit as well. There's no per-season amount. And it's because it's culture for Japanese high schools to run the same starting pitcher for every single game they have, much like softball. Young Japanese pitchers still pitch 4x-5x more than American players do. Most American high schools only play 2-3 games a week and usually will run out their starting pitcher 4 or 5 days apart at the minimum. I grew up playing competitive baseball in Florida and it was insanely rare to see a starting pitcher pitch twice (assuming they pitched like 5+ innings) within 3 days at all levels. Travel/club/showcase baseball is slightly different, but usually the innings are split like 4-2-1 or 3-2-2 in a game or something so it's less extreme, guys can pitch twice in a 3 day weekend in travel ball. A comparison is like limiting a Football Manager player to "only" 14 hours a day or 80 hours a week on the game. Like yea there's a limit, but the limit is so extreme that it doesn't really solve the problem it's trying to solve if you're reaching it.
@@LettucePlate Yeah, if I remember right, in the big high school tournament, weren't some of the young stars (who now are/were MLB stars) run out there to pitch the quarterfinal AND final games with triple-digit pitches each time? I know I watched something about that a few months ago, but I can't recall where... maybe BaseballDoesn'tExist, but that's my only guess.
Alex Ferguson did this with his players at Aberdeen, giving debuts to a lot of 16-17 years olds like Neil Simpson, Eric Black Neil Cooper etc. Eric Black retired at 29 after playing for Metz in France. Simpson retired after playing in the Highland League for a season at 32 Cooper lasted longer but he had huge injury problems, even at Aston Villa by the mid/late 80's (he made his debut in 1979)
One easy valve is to increase registration sizes. Allow 10 more players on every roster and a team has much more leeway for rotation. Also, rotation needs to be much more normalized. Hell, even FM works that way. Just try and fully rotate your squad whenever you have two matches per week and your team will get more successful.
The clubs will argue that messi had 7 1st team games but 50 youth ones and therefore he still had lots of minutes and therefore it wont work, arguing that it was fine for the youth players coming through in every other era. Its more about the fact that the game is so much faster now than ever and as such injuries occur in even more
I think Barça is just not learning, Lamine Yamal and Pau Cubarsi aren't even official adults yet and I already feel it will go horribly wrong way too soon. I get that Barça only seems to have these youngsters to carry their team, but it's in line with their short term thinking.
@@MrCrispy941 He will get a proper rest during the off season seeing as Barcelona won't be participating in the Club World Cup. The managers and doctors know a lot more than you and I do, I'm sure they are looking after him health wise.
Scott McTominay was a 5ft 7 centre forward when he was the same age as Yamal when he made his debut. He turned into a 6ft 4 centre mid, we need to let these guys grow.
In cricket in the UK if you are u18 playing and are a fast bowler you have a weekly maximum of overs you can bowl to protect them from body issues. So a minute cap isn't far off that
My solution is to increase squad sizes to 33. More players = more rotation. Would also mean wages would lower too from the obscene levels they're currently at.
Tyler Bindon is a central defender, so his legs might be put through less wear and tear than someone further up the pitch, though flying from England to New Zealand every international break is going to be taxing in its own right.
From FM experience and as an NFL fan I'd love to see bigger squads in some of europes leagues that still have the 25 players cap (even with the various 'young players excluded' rules). If every role/player had two backups on paper we could see more rotation in those leagues. Especially in the prem you see so many teams suffering from injuries that then have to overuse their fit players or youth players that didnt have to be registered.
I think about stuff that would change football, possibly for the better, coming from a hockey crazy state. Your minutes limit idea is less radical than one of mine, adopting line shifts from hockey. As an immediate example which comes to mind look at Anže Kopitar with the Kings. He’s been playing at an elite level since age 19. He’s now 37 and still playing nearly every game in an 82 game season. Line shifts allows for tons of matches, keeping players fresh, ensuring fans get to see big names.
Ice hockey players play like 12 minutes per game and at most 2 minutes at a time. It's also necessary because that sport is only fun when played at a high intensity.
Humans don't fully develop to what 25 I believe, players are starting their career full intensity almost a decade before that. It is very much possible that the amount of work the muscles, bones and joints have to go through, playing at such a young age that the players won't reach their potential physical peak ever.
I think we will be heading in a direction were players will have club contracts with clauses for a maximum number of matches. This because of the players demanding it.
A general limit on the minutes played with a stronger limit for under 18. So clubs have to switch their roaster more often and can't always field all the stars.
Ronaldo El Fenomeno must be the prime example of this. The guy played his best football in his late teens. Meteoric rise in Brasil, then at PSV and Barcelona. Then the Inter collapse and all downhill ever after that.
I think there should be a limit of how many minutes or games any professionell football player should be allowed to play in any given season. Make it two or three different contingents, like x minutes in domestic play, x minutes in international play, x minutes in the national teams. that forces the top club to make their squads wider and rotate more, and three different contingents prevent conflicts of interest with the National Team and such.
Everyone is forgetting that Ansu Fati was a class baller at the same age as yamal. Ppl forget that they did the same thing that they do to Lamine. And I'm afraid both star boys will not see the sun again
it´s kinda crazy how 15-20 years ago it was totally normal that players made their first team debut at 20-22yo, while today people expect them to be first team regulars by that age otherwise theyre bums
Jorrel Hato is the most important Ajax player right now. If he doesnt perform and become as good as is believed, ajax is probably fucked, though luckily we have more youngsters coming in and performing well lately
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Yeah Neymar is prime example for this tbh. The tackles he endured in the Brazilian league and the one grown men targeted as a teenager. As a Barca fan I’m happy Yamal brings me happiness but I’m afraid to be honest
I can counter argue with how players look after themselves. Rooney, Hazard, Wilshere were not good at looking after themselves and often overweight, meaning they had to work harder on top to get into peak condition. That needs to be into factor.
One thing better or worse America leads the way in, been a huge thing in Baseball limiting games played ect. And both the NBA and NFL requires players to attend at least one year of college before being drafted and Colleges play like a third to half the amount of games as the pros. Very few professional athletes outside of the Olympics in America under the age of 20
Some one has to give in and reduce the number of games under their competitions (national teams, continental comps, domestic leagues/cups) and in terms of bargaining power it's the domestic leagues and cups which are most likely to give in. Expect domestic leagues to be cut to 18 or 16 teams. National teams will also likely lose out bc there's less money in there. Things like nations league, high frequency of afcon/gold cup, etc will also change to reduce match numbers. UEFA club competitions will give up nothing
Messi age 17: 1754min for Club (incl. Barca B), 786 for country Messi age 18: 1414 for club (did not play in Barca B), 313 for country, was injured from march till end of the season Messi age 19: 2763 for club, 785 for country Total: Age 17: 2540min Age 18: 1727min Age 19: 3548min
TBH we could use minute limits for everyone. If ManCity wants to schedule 85 matches a season fine but nobody plays more than 50 matches worth. Then you can have stricter limits for younger guys
If you think that’s bad we (reading) have a 16 year old as out starting left back. Weirdest thing is he isn’t even a left back that’s the state of our club right now
What about a player and their agent put a clause in their contracts that cap the amount of games they can play per season, the club can decide what games they want them to play in, but it’s capped at a certain number agreed upon by both parties. Just a thought
@@TuNKy97 thats a good point I didn’t consider, my angle was that putting a cap on the amount of games a player can play in a season within their contract would potentially limit risk of injury, player burnout, and potential prolong careers. It could also be a ‘soft cap’ where as when the player reaches the number it’s at their own digression as to whether they wish to play extra games. Its an extreme jump I know, but with smarter people than I looking into it, could be an avenue
This doesn’t apply to someone lie Yamal, but for young players at smaller clubs (far smaller than the projected heights) then they know they will be forced to sell their young players soon, so they maximise minutes and early development to maximise the money they get. They will likely never be impacted by this early growth effects, unless they have massive sell on fees for every transfer the player makes. Plus it benefits their team (as they wouldn’t play if they weren’t at that level or better than their peers)
U21 players should have a 2500 minute usage cap during the season (all competitions) with the team and 500 with national team. The worse part is the players never get a chance to develop and will not get compensated for the stress they are forced to put on themselves.
Cap at 2400 minutes for club and 600 minutes for country. Exclude WC and one continental competition (federation gets to choose). If the player exceeds 400 minutes for a top 30 ranked country, the clubs get those minutes back.
You get the sense that the football world doesn't care that it's cutting careers short. If a player's legs give out before turning 30 they'll just get discarded and replaced by the next generation of wonderkids.
If anything clubs should be obligated to track total work hours for youth to keep them at a reasonable amount. Could have independent physicians check up on fitness as well at clubs to stop chance of "abuse"
I agree with the hard limit on minutes on players younger than 18. But I also truly believe that these clubs can just sign more players. Let the clubs play more often, why must the players play every single game? At some point you have to ask the players why they aren't choosing to rest. Are they not allowed to ask for that?
Should the theoretical limit of game time include u21/u18 games? If not then it doesn't make sense because that's what really did Pedri. I would personally start with not letting players that get 1st team monutes (amount to be discussed) playing internationally in not senior teams.
The month messi tuned 18 his release clause jumped to $150 million. As shown he played 9 games and had 1 goal by this point. Just because it was clear he was a special talent and was going to be the best player in the world does not mean he should have been playing every game of the season for 90 minutes
under 18's if they have a normal job are only allowed to work (in the uk) certain amount of hours per shift, have to have a break of a certain length and only allowed to work 'x' of hours per week so why not in footy?
Got this recommend and thought 80h is not that much and was convinced there must be a mistake. That's like two weeks of playing a lot. That can't be all. FOR A VIDEOGAME! For some reason it didn't even occur to me that this could be about real football.
Sometimes I wonder how it is possible that these teams are not in violation with child labour laws with training, matches, travelling and so on 😅 Also watch out with running after your marathon, I tried to run a week after I did one and even though I felt fine before my run, after 1 km my body was like "nope, just nope". Also also, with some luck with other teams in World Championship qualifiers, San Marino can make it to the play offs for the worlds qualis because of their Nations League promotion apparently.
Obviously you will get blowback against this from people saying they don't do a real job and don't know what hard work is. That is missing the point, these kids are extremely valuable assets - the ONLY valuable assets to most clubs, worth tens of millions in many cases and making them play so many minutes at that age is extremely short sighted. 'Back in the 1970's they played 60 games a season on terrible pitches playing aginst proper defenders who knew how to break somebodies legs and just get a booking' - yes, that was true I watched English football back then. What is also true is that most players earned not much more than the spectators back then and were worth relatively little in terms of transfer value.
Sounds dumb but there should be a limit to how much any player should be allowed to play because they can only give their best if they play around 40-45 matches per season
How about Bellingham and Mbappe? I think they playing at the top level in the such young age too. And now Mbappe starting skip the France duty because of this too?
The numbers aren't really comparable. Yamal has 87 professional appearances for Spain & Barca. At 17 Bellingham had a combined 45(ish). Mbappe? 15. Bojan (whos career fell off because of burnout) at 17 had 44. Rooney 37. It is genuinely 1. impressive at his age, but also 2. dangerous, hes still developing physically and it cannot be good for the body
Football is a job. As an ex Construction worker with half my time done with bricks and mortar being carried manually for considerably less reward It's hard to be sympathetic. Two years of top flight football wages is more than I made in a lifetime. I do not resent them their wealth but moaning about working conditions where you have to perform at 100 percent for 2 hours a week rubs me up the wrong way.
That's a good point, these teenagers are genuinely incredible at playing football and they have the best doctors to look after them. They'll be fine.👍🏻
How many hours a week does the average construction worker spend at 100%? Travelling, training every day, being told exactly what you can and can't eat or do. Im not saying they have it tough but to suggest that a footballer just does 2 hours a week is absolutely ridiculous.
THIS BETTER BE ABOUT SAN MARINO!! 🇸🇲
He and maqwell etc Should make a video about San Marino with their first 2 wins in competitive matches and winning their nations leaugue group
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@@drex5160 the insane funny thing is San Marino can potensialy reach the wc playoff since 4 of the 12 highest ranked nation league group winners is guaranteed a playoff spot
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It is sans San Marino.
As your loyal Zealandists, we have all conducted formal research and concluded that it takes up to 4 weeks to fully recover from a marathon. It’s been over a week and so you can do some activities like swimming or cycling that don’t have any strain on your legs, but you shouldn’t be doing anything but light jogs for the rest of the month. After this timeframe has been completed, we will be back to our regularly scheduled bullying.
Signed, the Zealandists
Z- it’s called “recovery” for a reason. 26.2 miles is tiring for everyone outside of Kenya.
Indeed, it was only 14 days ago.
What's the rule of thumb again, 1 day recovery per mile raced?
Or that one group of people from central America/Caribbean/Mexico I'm forgetting the specifics on (Theres this village where the kids "fun" for the day is playing tag during their 18 mile run between the villages)
@@JasonCliftJones Last time I ran one was 12 years ago. I was 65 at the time and I didn’t run for 3 weeks and mildly jogged a 5K on my first day back. Z is certainly younger than I was, but he simply doesn’t have a distance runner body type.
And Ethiopia
@@Adam-l2gand any other East African country to be honest
I have this horrible feeling that Lamine Yamal and all these youngsters will be blown by their mid 20s unless they care for their bodies like Ronaldo does. Hope I'm wrong.
Even cristiano wasn't playing anywhere near this many minutes at that age
This is the type of thing that only happens with Brazilian wonderkids
Yamal has foo much talent to be blown at any point of his career, he's genuinely the best teenager I've ever seen play football and it's not close. Thankfully for him he'll have a full rest at the end of this season
Will he? Are you forgetting about the Club World Cup?@@milaninter2442
@@milaninter2442 being "blown out" has nothing to do with talent. We aren't saying they will lose their talent, but that their bodies will fail them.
Gavi and Pedri are the two most recent examples of this - both played regular first team action from the age of 16 (like Yamal) and both are struggling with reoccurring injuries in their late teens and early 20s. Playing that many matches before the body has fully developed is the problem. Males continue to grow until the age of 19, meaning you are putting too much strain on underdeveloped muscles.
Unfortunately I can see Lamal heading for the exact same issues. His "full rest" at the end of the season is simply not true. He'll be picked for Spain's Nations league QF, SF and final (assuming the make the final). Together with Barca and a potential 7 match Club World Cup run in the off-season in 2025. Then there's high intensity pre-season training and conditioning, before having to play numerous friendlies to get "match fit" for the new season. Lamal will be lucky to have 2 weeks off between this season, and next season, playing likely 70+ games each season.
@@milaninter2442 what? he is no wear near Messi when he was young, how old are you 10, only way to miss Messi when he was younger
The interesting thing for me is that during this period, Archie Grey was a Champioship player for most of the period. Last season, he played all but 2 league games, all of Leeds' cup games, three matches in the playoffs and a handful of England U21 games. In total, about 55 games in the season. That doesn't include and exhibition matches or pre-season friendlies which would probably take the total over 60. That was 55 standard scheduled fixtures created by the FA and the Football League that he played in...... Its not just the clubs that are doing this for the finances......
Seeing this makes me glad Archie Gray is being used sparingly so far this season at Spurs.
Now that Bentancur is banned, he will be used more.
I’ve been thinking the same thing with Nwaneri over here at the Arsenal! Long-term homegrown players always make for the best derbies
The hated pedri man he came back from the euros and they sent him straight to the Olympics two weeks later after an almost 60 game season at 18😭
Reading fc are banned from signing players so we have to rely on players like tyler bindon if there was a limit on miunets for teenagers reading would not have a full 11 by the end of the season
Yea, hopefully we get dai out so reading can start getting better again.
You have made TWO Zealandisms about things that are not San Marino!
drop this whole running thing. real men are rowing
Funniest comment so far
As a reading supporter let me tell you. Tyler Bindon is going to the very top of the game. He is a brilliant defender.
What are you reading?
As a New Zealander, I'm very excited that we have him. Future New Zealand captain
Fr and reading has had quite a few great youth players so if a cap of minutes was applied it would hamper them dramatically. Either forcing them to rotate out stronger players for weaker players or forcing fixed and predetermined substitutions making less substitutions available for the players that need it creating a higher injury risk
Fellow Reading supporter here - Bindon is so good, can’t imagine we’ll have him much longer unless we can somehow get promoted
Ik Bindon is so good. Hope we don't lose him.
6:50
Does it sound dumb tho?
Were im coming from its an extreme hassle to sign up a 16/17 year old to work in your company, because you have to accommodate them in a special way, give them longer breaks, restrict the amount of hours they can do - simply said: you have a higher duty to protect them than with any other employee you have, and going against its will screw your company up more than with an adult employee too.
I dont know why this idea should be absurd when we have already realiable data that working football in its current form (that amount) is detrimental to the developing body. It leads to longterm health issues they will be left alone with when ending their careers. In every other sector we have strict rules against that. They are still kids. We are supposed to protect them.
The young players wont agree to a contractual cap of games to not hinder their development, the clubs will not support such a movement based on teens potentially bringing the same result, but being considerably cheaper. So a legislative body has to put a rule in place.
Once upon a time the around the world FAs did that, for the betterment of the game - today all they do i trying to figure out how to extract even more money from the work other people do. So they wont do it either.
so basically these kids who are playing are fucked due to greed and apathy
In Japan high school baseball is a big deal, and they set a maximum number of pitches allowed for pitchers so they don't destroy their shoulders at a young age and ruin their potential career
only to go over to america on a huge deal and get two tommy johns in 3 years 😭😭
mlb being 162 games is gonna make it the most unsafe workplace in the world
This is missing a lot of context. The limit for Japenese high schoolers is 7 innings or 100 pitches PER DAY. They have a 500 pitch per week limit as well. There's no per-season amount. And it's because it's culture for Japanese high schools to run the same starting pitcher for every single game they have, much like softball. Young Japanese pitchers still pitch 4x-5x more than American players do. Most American high schools only play 2-3 games a week and usually will run out their starting pitcher 4 or 5 days apart at the minimum. I grew up playing competitive baseball in Florida and it was insanely rare to see a starting pitcher pitch twice (assuming they pitched like 5+ innings) within 3 days at all levels. Travel/club/showcase baseball is slightly different, but usually the innings are split like 4-2-1 or 3-2-2 in a game or something so it's less extreme, guys can pitch twice in a 3 day weekend in travel ball.
A comparison is like limiting a Football Manager player to "only" 14 hours a day or 80 hours a week on the game. Like yea there's a limit, but the limit is so extreme that it doesn't really solve the problem it's trying to solve if you're reaching it.
@@LettucePlate Yeah, if I remember right, in the big high school tournament, weren't some of the young stars (who now are/were MLB stars) run out there to pitch the quarterfinal AND final games with triple-digit pitches each time? I know I watched something about that a few months ago, but I can't recall where... maybe BaseballDoesn'tExist, but that's my only guess.
@@JimTheFlythey use a different ball in Japanese High School baseball, less arm wear and tear than if it was an American ball
Alex Ferguson did this with his players at Aberdeen, giving debuts to a lot of 16-17 years olds like Neil Simpson, Eric Black Neil Cooper etc.
Eric Black retired at 29 after playing for Metz in France.
Simpson retired after playing in the Highland League for a season at 32
Cooper lasted longer but he had huge injury problems, even at Aston Villa by the mid/late 80's (he made his debut in 1979)
What a Metz...
It feels like 30-33 will be the standard retirement age now
Putting the kids to work 💪
One easy valve is to increase registration sizes. Allow 10 more players on every roster and a team has much more leeway for rotation. Also, rotation needs to be much more normalized. Hell, even FM works that way. Just try and fully rotate your squad whenever you have two matches per week and your team will get more successful.
Waah waah waah. The clubs like Barca and FIFA wanted this. They wanted the super league, the bloated world club cup. The money men simply don't care.
Barca didn't make it to the FIFA Club World Cup, but they are definitely trying to squeeze out all the energy and hype from their youngsters.
The clubs will argue that messi had 7 1st team games but 50 youth ones and therefore he still had lots of minutes and therefore it wont work, arguing that it was fine for the youth players coming through in every other era. Its more about the fact that the game is so much faster now than ever and as such injuries occur in even more
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I think Barça is just not learning, Lamine Yamal and Pau Cubarsi aren't even official adults yet and I already feel it will go horribly wrong way too soon. I get that Barça only seems to have these youngsters to carry their team, but it's in line with their short term thinking.
Yamal is unfortunately too good not to play. They'll give him a nice rest at the end of this season hopefully.
@@milaninter2442 Thats just not true. No player is too good to be given proper rest.
@@MrCrispy941 He will get a proper rest during the off season seeing as Barcelona won't be participating in the Club World Cup. The managers and doctors know a lot more than you and I do, I'm sure they are looking after him health wise.
@@milaninter2442 The same club management and physios/doctors who have obliterated Pedri?
@@MrCrispy941 I believe that was under previous management, and Pedri has looked perfectly fine to me this season.
Scott McTominay was a 5ft 7 centre forward when he was the same age as Yamal when he made his debut. He turned into a 6ft 4 centre mid, we need to let these guys grow.
In cricket in the UK if you are u18 playing and are a fast bowler you have a weekly maximum of overs you can bowl to protect them from body issues. So a minute cap isn't far off that
My solution is to increase squad sizes to 33. More players = more rotation. Would also mean wages would lower too from the obscene levels they're currently at.
Archie Gray's minutes were mostly at Leeds
Pele played ~38 games at 17 scoring ~41 goals and played until he was 37 although he stopped at Santos at 34
Yamal is playing 25% more, in a far more athletic era of football. This is a terrible comparison
Bro this is the second Zealand video i watch today, why is Leeds catching a stray here aswell. 🤣
Tyler Bindon is a central defender, so his legs might be put through less wear and tear than someone further up the pitch, though flying from England to New Zealand every international break is going to be taxing in its own right.
Enter youself in the Boston marathon so we can get you running again.
TALK ABOUT SAN MARINOOOOO
From FM experience and as an NFL fan I'd love to see bigger squads in some of europes leagues that still have the 25 players cap (even with the various 'young players excluded' rules).
If every role/player had two backups on paper we could see more rotation in those leagues.
Especially in the prem you see so many teams suffering from injuries that then have to overuse their fit players or youth players that didnt have to be registered.
I think about stuff that would change football, possibly for the better, coming from a hockey crazy state. Your minutes limit idea is less radical than one of mine, adopting line shifts from hockey. As an immediate example which comes to mind look at Anže Kopitar with the Kings. He’s been playing at an elite level since age 19. He’s now 37 and still playing nearly every game in an 82 game season. Line shifts allows for tons of matches, keeping players fresh, ensuring fans get to see big names.
Ice hockey players play like 12 minutes per game and at most 2 minutes at a time. It's also necessary because that sport is only fun when played at a high intensity.
Maybe idk we need a strong players union that can push for limited amount of games. Like w the NFL
You're morbidly a beast Mr. Zealand
Humans don't fully develop to what 25 I believe, players are starting their career full intensity almost a decade before that. It is very much possible that the amount of work the muscles, bones and joints have to go through, playing at such a young age that the players won't reach their potential physical peak ever.
Another thing: fooball is WAY more intense now
13 minute yap session. Count me in
I think we will be heading in a direction were players will have club contracts with clauses for a maximum number of matches. This because of the players demanding it.
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Missed out the lack of protective equipment. Boots with support, ankle supports, shin pads, etc.
A general limit on the minutes played with a stronger limit for under 18. So clubs have to switch their roaster more often and can't always field all the stars.
Ronaldo El Fenomeno must be the prime example of this. The guy played his best football in his late teens. Meteoric rise in Brasil, then at PSV and Barcelona. Then the Inter collapse and all downhill ever after that.
Eh, I wouldn't compare the cases. Ronaldo happened to have a thyroid issue...
I think there should be a limit of how many minutes or games any professionell football player should be allowed to play in any given season. Make it two or three different contingents, like x minutes in domestic play, x minutes in international play, x minutes in the national teams. that forces the top club to make their squads wider and rotate more, and three different contingents prevent conflicts of interest with the National Team and such.
Everyone is forgetting that Ansu Fati was a class baller at the same age as yamal. Ppl forget that they did the same thing that they do to Lamine. And I'm afraid both star boys will not see the sun again
it´s kinda crazy how 15-20 years ago it was totally normal that players made their first team debut at 20-22yo, while today people expect them to be first team regulars by that age otherwise theyre bums
Where's the San Marino video?
Jorrel Hato is the most important Ajax player right now. If he doesnt perform and become as good as is believed, ajax is probably fucked, though luckily we have more youngsters coming in and performing well lately
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Yeah Neymar is prime example for this tbh. The tackles he endured in the Brazilian league and the one grown men targeted as a teenager. As a Barca fan I’m happy Yamal brings me happiness but I’m afraid to be honest
I can counter argue with how players look after themselves. Rooney, Hazard, Wilshere were not good at looking after themselves and often overweight, meaning they had to work harder on top to get into peak condition. That needs to be into factor.
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I don't believe you even ran the marathon.
Yasin Ozcan spotted, fm future legend
One thing better or worse America leads the way in, been a huge thing in Baseball limiting games played ect. And both the NBA and NFL requires players to attend at least one year of college before being drafted and Colleges play like a third to half the amount of games as the pros. Very few professional athletes outside of the Olympics in America under the age of 20
The Reading player is top becasue Reading don’t have the funds or can buy older players and relying on their young player a lot more
Some one has to give in and reduce the number of games under their competitions (national teams, continental comps, domestic leagues/cups) and in terms of bargaining power it's the domestic leagues and cups which are most likely to give in. Expect domestic leagues to be cut to 18 or 16 teams. National teams will also likely lose out bc there's less money in there. Things like nations league, high frequency of afcon/gold cup, etc will also change to reduce match numbers. UEFA club competitions will give up nothing
I’m surprised Jobe Bellingham isn’t on this list. Played every league game bar 1 and no cup games since joining Sunderland in Summer 23’
Messi age 17: 1754min for Club (incl. Barca B), 786 for country
Messi age 18: 1414 for club (did not play in Barca B), 313 for country, was injured from march till end of the season
Messi age 19: 2763 for club, 785 for country
Total:
Age 17: 2540min
Age 18: 1727min
Age 19: 3548min
Needs to be a 3k minute limit for under 21 players per calender year. Fa's have the power to do it
TBH we could use minute limits for everyone. If ManCity wants to schedule 85 matches a season fine but nobody plays more than 50 matches worth. Then you can have stricter limits for younger guys
No San Marino video yet, channel has fallen off!!!! lol
If you think that’s bad we (reading) have a 16 year old as out starting left back. Weirdest thing is he isn’t even a left back that’s the state of our club right now
What about a player and their agent put a clause in their contracts that cap the amount of games they can play per season, the club can decide what games they want them to play in, but it’s capped at a certain number agreed upon by both parties. Just a thought
Usually it's the other way round. Player and their agent try to put a clause that assures the player minimum minutes rather than maximum.
@@TuNKy97 thats a good point I didn’t consider, my angle was that putting a cap on the amount of games a player can play in a season within their contract would potentially limit risk of injury, player burnout, and potential prolong careers. It could also be a ‘soft cap’ where as when the player reaches the number it’s at their own digression as to whether they wish to play extra games. Its an extreme jump I know, but with smarter people than I looking into it, could be an avenue
I want a Zealandism about the forehead situation, which is getting out of hand. Even Andre the Giant's hand.
Did I miss the vid where you explain the McKennie jersey in the background?
This doesn’t apply to someone lie Yamal, but for young players at smaller clubs (far smaller than the projected heights) then they know they will be forced to sell their young players soon, so they maximise minutes and early development to maximise the money they get. They will likely never be impacted by this early growth effects, unless they have massive sell on fees for every transfer the player makes. Plus it benefits their team (as they wouldn’t play if they weren’t at that level or better than their peers)
U21 players should have a 2500 minute usage cap during the season (all competitions) with the team and 500 with national team. The worse part is the players never get a chance to develop and will not get compensated for the stress they are forced to put on themselves.
Cap at 2400 minutes for club and 600 minutes for country. Exclude WC and one continental competition (federation gets to choose). If the player exceeds 400 minutes for a top 30 ranked country, the clubs get those minutes back.
You get the sense that the football world doesn't care that it's cutting careers short. If a player's legs give out before turning 30 they'll just get discarded and replaced by the next generation of wonderkids.
If anything clubs should be obligated to track total work hours for youth to keep them at a reasonable amount. Could have independent physicians check up on fitness as well at clubs to stop chance of "abuse"
WHERE IS THE VIDEO ABOUT SAN MARINO???
Costa Rica with 2 young bros giving it all hahaha my team CSH pushing Andy to the limit
Rookie numbers. I'd love how to see how this list would look if you included south american, specially Brazilian, clubs.
if you're not legally an adult, you should be protected from people making you grind out minutes as if you're physically an adult.
At this rate I'm concerned that they will start implementing things from the NBA such as fining managers for benching their best players.
Get “Running” back to the computer to talk about our glorious superteam San Marino
The clubs don’t care because the players will be somewhere else by the time they turn 30. The players have to fix this themselves
I agree with the hard limit on minutes on players younger than 18. But I also truly believe that these clubs can just sign more players. Let the clubs play more often, why must the players play every single game? At some point you have to ask the players why they aren't choosing to rest. Are they not allowed to ask for that?
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I thought this was my FM team LOL
Should the theoretical limit of game time include u21/u18 games? If not then it doesn't make sense because that's what really did Pedri. I would personally start with not letting players that get 1st team monutes (amount to be discussed) playing internationally in not senior teams.
The month messi tuned 18 his release clause jumped to $150 million. As shown he played 9 games and had 1 goal by this point. Just because it was clear he was a special talent and was going to be the best player in the world does not mean he should have been playing every game of the season for 90 minutes
under 18's if they have a normal job are only allowed to work (in the uk) certain amount of hours per shift, have to have a break of a certain length and only allowed to work 'x' of hours per week so why not in footy?
my only question after watching this video is: where is the fly? ... probably went to run, already beating you on that...
Got this recommend and thought 80h is not that much and was convinced there must be a mistake. That's like two weeks of playing a lot. That can't be all. FOR A VIDEOGAME! For some reason it didn't even occur to me that this could be about real football.
I can't believe that football employing underages!
2:03 only table an isralei player is on top os spanish team
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I agree, but money and players being able to go to different club teams is why it might never happen
Sometimes I wonder how it is possible that these teams are not in violation with child labour laws with training, matches, travelling and so on 😅 Also watch out with running after your marathon, I tried to run a week after I did one and even though I felt fine before my run, after 1 km my body was like "nope, just nope". Also also, with some luck with other teams in World Championship qualifiers, San Marino can make it to the play offs for the worlds qualis because of their Nations League promotion apparently.
Obviously you will get blowback against this from people saying they don't do a real job and don't know what hard work is. That is missing the point, these kids are extremely valuable assets - the ONLY valuable assets to most clubs, worth tens of millions in many cases and making them play so many minutes at that age is extremely short sighted. 'Back in the 1970's they played 60 games a season on terrible pitches playing aginst proper defenders who knew how to break somebodies legs and just get a booking' - yes, that was true I watched English football back then. What is also true is that most players earned not much more than the spectators back then and were worth relatively little in terms of transfer value.
This isn't San Marino!
Sounds dumb but there should be a limit to how much any player should be allowed to play because they can only give their best if they play around 40-45 matches per season
Here is a reminder if you didnt know
He ran a marathon
Now that you mention it, Is you beard thicker on one that the other?
The solution is obvious: forbid players under 20 to play in the Men's national teams. Yamal for example would have 2 weeks off right now.
How about Bellingham and Mbappe? I think they playing at the top level in the such young age too. And now Mbappe starting skip the France duty because of this too?
The numbers aren't really comparable. Yamal has 87 professional appearances for Spain & Barca. At 17 Bellingham had a combined 45(ish). Mbappe? 15. Bojan (whos career fell off because of burnout) at 17 had 44. Rooney 37.
It is genuinely 1. impressive at his age, but also 2. dangerous, hes still developing physically and it cannot be good for the body
Football is a job. As an ex Construction worker with half my time done with bricks and mortar being carried manually for considerably less reward It's hard to be sympathetic. Two years of top flight football wages is more than I made in a lifetime. I do not resent them their wealth but moaning about working conditions where you have to perform at 100 percent for 2 hours a week rubs me up the wrong way.
That's a good point, these teenagers are genuinely incredible at playing football and they have the best doctors to look after them. They'll be fine.👍🏻
How many hours a week does the average construction worker spend at 100%? Travelling, training every day, being told exactly what you can and can't eat or do. Im not saying they have it tough but to suggest that a footballer just does 2 hours a week is absolutely ridiculous.
"Others have it worse" is never a valid argument.
181 x 10 done in a calculator... xD
Barcelona has no choice. Yamal is too key for Barcelona and Cubarsi has to play because Barcelona has injured the whole defense