I agree 100 percent. After converting all my Eve devices to matter it was a struggle to get Homekit running stable. It seems the Thread network takes forever to fully recognize all devices. With devices not responding and waiting hours the network slowly seemed to rebuild itself. Sit tight everyone wait a while hopefully things get better in the near future.
I noticed the same thing if someone unplugs one of my thread smart plugs, or manually turns off a light bulb switch, the thread network takes time to rebuild and during that time, some automations are slow or don't work.
we appreciate your effort Shane in order to show us this new thing. It's hard especially when you have your smart home running smoothly (which is quite an accomplishment for all of us). Keep up the good work.
Has there been any progress or updates since this video was released? I'm currently undecided about upgrading to Matter and would appreciate insights into any initial issues that have been resolved.
I'm really looking forward to Matter being everywhere! I always didn't like not being able to choose a device for my smart home just because it wasn't not supported by HomeKit. Great video!
Thanks, Shane. Your video just shows why most of your viewers who have working Homekit systems have little to gain by converting existing working devices to Matter. The idea is to get things/devices into Homekit that you might have and aren't supported natively in Homekit. If you're using Homebridge and Hubitat, you probably already have most things already working in Homekit. If, however, you really want Eve devices to work with Alexa then Matter might be a help, but I'd say just use Aqara devices which already work with Homekit and Alexa. I long ago quit playing around with Google stuff as they turned their back on smart home users, including me, several years ago. Anyway, the bottom line for me is to forget Matter for now. I;d like to get away from Homebridge, but it has been totally reliable for the past couple of years as is my Hubitat hub. Thanks for confirming my decision.
Definitely gonna wait. Thanks for tackling the challenges of starting the transition. I look forward to updates on the continued rollout. And yes Apple give us a hub with a screen!! 😂
Wow, thanks so much for this video. Definitely don’t feel the need to upgrade at least until later on. I have finally got my Home stable which was difficult with circa 8 home hub devices and this would probably start causing more ‘No response’ errors
Right now Philips Hue is just NOT meshing with Homekit. Will be responsive for a few hours, and then back to no response. Every software updated. Thank you for all your efforts in sharing your experience. PS: the Airversa(s) just decided to not show up at all on anything including their native app. Pure Chaos.
Seeing the same thing with my Phillips Hue. Thought it was just me and did a full home reset to find it in the same state. Maybe what is being reported in the video is a wider issue not just mater
@@grahamhargreaves8386 I have: 1. upgraded to the latest Apple TV 4K. 2. Bought an iPod Mini. 3. Updated to the latest Linksy's Node. 4. Added a Hub. 5. Unplugged replugged. Nooooooooothing has worked. I remain optimistic and am saving a bottle of Champagne for the day it all comes back on!
I signed up for the Hue matter update right away on nov 3rd. Waited the 5 day waiting period. Previously my 6 hue devices showed in Apple Homekit. Afterwards the additional 16 ikea 2 cree and a couple other Seedan branded bulbs on the hue bridge showed up in apple. I use these devices in hue for the lutron aurora dimmer. I’ve found many other non homekit zigbee brands work great with hue and now also in Matter. I am still anxiously awaiting the Aqara and ikea updates for their matter friendly hubs.
Great advice Shane and as someone that began this smart home journey way back in early 2017 I can say with great certainty that I understand your pain and frustration. There’s nothing that will keep me awake at night more than knowing a device isn’t connecting or operating properly. This whole journey has given me gray hairs so I’ll just sit back and let you younger folks work out the kinks for us. 💪🏼😎👍🏼
As Matter is truly not available till April as that's when virtual all out of the box devices will get released & most of the updates, hopefully by then all the connection issues will be solved, great videos like this will show the companies what the issues are. Glad you love the Google Max yes Apple is slow wit a home display hub.
Great experiment and great video! Moral of the story for me is to wait at least until all phases of Matter (ie cameras, video operability) are rolled out.
I installed Philips Hue Matter Beta last week, it works without problems with Homekit. And all my other brand Zigbee devices works with Homekit over Hue Bridge! (Ledvance, Hue, Lidl, Ikea)
What a nightmare! I use HomeKit to control my home. Most of my devices are X-wave set up on Hubitat (which is excellent). Later I added a Hoobs bridge to allow these devices to be seen/controlled on Homkit. That work well for a while but then was sometimes not responding in HomeKit. Then Hubitat added native HomeKit support and works excellent about 90% of the time. I do have to reboot my hubitat occasionally due to devices not responding in HomeKit which solves my problem. Sounds like matter is not a solution yet. I highly recommend Hubitat which you have reviewed. My hub is an original elevation prior to C2 and still works very well. Thanks for your videos!
I also like that my Eve matter devices on my Apple TV thread hub are now accessible to smartthings and other matter fabrics that do not have a thread hub directly. Huge plus for Matter
Thanks, Shane. Seeing the current state in a real world update makes the decision to stay on HK pretty easy. I have a house full of exclusively Apple users so there’s no reason to go through the nightmare you were showing.
Since ios 16.3 i have had nothing but problems with my homekit home. Mainly my Aqara buttons and sensors but also some automations work and other dont so over it
Thank you so much for this video. This just solidifies my decision that I won't be touching Matter with a 10-foot pole; at least for now. I'll review this again this summer. Right now I will be sticking with an Apple Home only for now.
So am I correct in my thinking that one of them best features of matter is so that we don’t need multiple hubs to connect our devices that are sprawled throughout the house? For example, security cameras at different ends of the house needing that connectivity? From your report, I’m not encouraged at this point.
Wow. So many things to 'unpack' in this video... Seems like your Thumbnail Title should have been "IF it goes smoothly..." Anyway - I am absolutely one of the 'Crazy Ones' you mentioned at the end of the video - and knowing that, I am STILL not crazy enough to mess with any of this nonsense. Yet. :) Your experience, that of other Smart Home Content Creators and the feedback from those on your Member's Discord Group have left me quite happy with my decision to NOT jump on the Matter Bandwagon as of yet. Great video. Thanks, as always, for your content.
Thanks for watching! Yes, often us 'crazy ones' who are so eager to try the new things, are also the ones with a lot of accessories and more potential for things to go wrong. So sometimes waiting is definitely a smart move.
So, to sum up, if our current Apple HomeKit setup is working perfectly, and we’re not planning on mixing Smart Home ecosystem, there’s no added benefit to update HomeKit devices to Matter?
Thanks, Shane. You've convinced me to shut off auto firmware updates on all devices and wait it out for a while. I'm almost all Apple anyway, with the exception of a few Aqara devices. But the Aqara devices work just fine as is through the camera hub I have. So I'll wait for more YT videos throughout the year and see if things improve.
Still hoping for any smart lights to fit the Philips G9 fittings in my lamp... Haven't found anything for Homekit Though maybe Matter will eventually help this
Hey Shane! Don't know if you'll see this and I know its not out yet. Can you do a review/comparison between the new HomePod2 and the HomePod Mini? Know there's a huge price difference but trying to see what the justified reason for the 2 would even be. Thanks!
@@ShaneCreates I'm a fan of Apple Home for use as a dashboard, but I like Smartthings for some of the automations. Unlocking the doors when I come home without a dummy switch comes to mind. I also like Alexa...I'm just a tinkerer.
Thanks for another great video. I am excited to see this getting real. I will wait and keep watching till some more bugs are worked out. But will really enjoy if I can have one App (Hub) to rule them all.
Thanks again for the heads up on Matter integration. Since I am only setup in HomeKit and not seeing myself to move into any other ecosystem anytime soon, there is certainly no advantage to migration. But given the matter support available in HomeKit, I will like to try adding some matter devices to the HomeKit if such device no native HomeKit support. Another concern that I have is: since HomeKit matter support will be communicated through home hub only, is that defeating the actual matter advantage of meshing network? So, with HomeKit, it is still best for thread devices with native HomeKit support, right? If so, I would hope the brand such as EVE and Aqara will continue there native support for HomeKit as addition to their matter support.
If a product supports Matter, it supports HomeKit natively. If you're only concerned with using HomeKit/Apple Home, then just getting products that "Works with HomeKit" or "works with matter" should be all you need to worry about. Either is fine and either is native HomeKit support.
Frankly, most of the problems you described have already occurred on my network before even updating to Matter. Starting with the 16.2 updates, my thread network has become very unreliable, and 16.3 made it even worse. I've found in general that my network is better behaved wgen an Apple TV is the hub rather than a HomePod mini. But even then, I have a number of devices that are intermittently unresponsive, and some devices (both HomePod Mini and Apple TV) that spontaneously start playing media. I'm now at the point where I dread new Apple updates!
Update 16.3.1 is even worse. All of my Eve devices are now shown as unreachable on my thread network. So Eve has a problem with Apple; how biblical! ;-)
Hi Shane Could it be that Apple is playing up? We've not got any Matter devices nor have we hot an upgrade option on our Eve products …and still I had to set EVERYTHING up again because our Original HomePods keep asking "Who's speaking?" My problem started before 16.3. I had hoped 16.3 would have fixed it, but it still occurs, albeit sporadically. Thanks for another informative video.
Shane: looking to use a shortcut to have eve plug turn on for 2 hours, 3, 5 or 7 hours (controls a room heater). Using a menu in a personal automation shortcut for the selection, and repeating a wait time of 10 minutes to obtain desired total wait time. Problem is, once iphone screen locks the shortcut fails. How to pass the selection to a Home automation where the timings are not device dependent? Perhaps idea for a video. Thanks.
After I upgraded to Matter, the EVE door and window sensor it "self-destructed". I tried to reset and add it again, but it didn't work anymore. I had an error code (HFErrorDomain error 6.0.1.) Now I'm waiting for the new one replaced under warranty to arrive. I won't try again, especially since I don't even need Matter. Thread is enough and works perfectly.
Hi Shane, I am a bit confused. Please note that I'm not an expert at all. I have the following setup: - a lot of Eve Thermo for the heating - an Eve Motion Sensor - a lot of Philips Hue bulbs and lightstrips and a motion sensor - an Apple TV 4k & an Eve Hub, also a HomePod mini. All are working fine with the Eve and the Hue apps, many of the also in the HomeKit. What should I do? Upgrade to matter or wait? I don't even know if the firmware is already available for these products... Thanks in advance for your (or anyone's) kind reply 😜
Like I stated in the video, "if it ain't broke don't fix it." Unless you have a really good reason to upgrade your devices to Matter, I'd hold off for a while.
Hey Shane! I’ve got a question.. I recently moved, and haven’t used my devices in about 6+ months. I’m rebuilding my smart home and have run into a snag. For some reason any of the 2 matter devices (at least I think they are the only two) won’t connect when adding them to HomeKit. First issue was with a brand new Nanoleaf essentials light, still haven’t gotten it to connect.. my most recent issue was with the eve energy - I connected it without issue to my home, then got a notification for an update and upgrade to matter.. I did all that, and now it won’t connect 😅
I have to admit that after updating to 16.2 and taking the option to "Upgrade" to the new architecture before Apple pulled it my HomeKit setup became almost unusable with multiple reports on my phone that ALL my home hubs were unavailable (12 of them) and then a few mins later they would all be back again. Frequently a HomePod Mini would be promoted to the Connected Hub in preference to an ethernet connected Apple TV. Struggled with it for several weeks and now I've deleted all of this, created a new Apple Home and added everything back again. The moral of this story is that we are likely to get "pain" due to updates from the many vendors involved even if we don't upgrade to Matter specifically. Certainly the HomeKit update was a very frustrating exercise.
This has been my exact experience this week. Completely random unresponsive errors on the unreliable 16.3 new HomeKit architecture. I really don’t want to factory reset everything but I’m close to doing it.
@@briancrink I’m reluctant to tempt fate - but doing a full rebuild using a new Home name has apparently fixed all the problems I was experiencing. Hope you have a similar experience
I do not plan on updating any of my existing HomeKit devices to Matter. I will only use Matter to add devices to my Home App that I do not currently have if there is not an official HomeKit option.
I think we need a small QR Code printer so we can print matter barcodes on "upgraded" equipment - when we are satisfied that its safe to do so. Yes I know there are apps to record the information but there's nothing quite so convenient than a barcode on the actual device.
Maybe.... when Apple eventually actually update to Thread v1.3.0 (as required for the patch release of Matter....) - maybe, things will settle down. When you connect everything to the Apple Homepod first, which is NOT running v1.3.0 of OpenThreadBorderRouter, then you lose the ability for devices to roam across border routers, because until Apple update the Border Router, devices attached to it, are stuck there, your Google Home can't join the Thread network that the Homepod has created. v1.3.0 is supposed to fix this limitation, so that you have ONE thread network with multiple border routers (regardless of who makes it). Right now that's not happening for you, your Google Hub is generating it's own Thread network because it can't join the existing one. Additionally, because the Google Home can't join the Apple thread network, then all attempts to communicate with the thread devices, have to be routed via the Homepod. This is quite obviously not the preferred way of doing things. Each router should be able to talk to the Thread network directly, if it can't - then it is ONLY a matter controller.
Hi Shane. Great video as always. Super helpful. I’ll be waiting at least a year before I attempt to go down the Matter path. It’ll be great once fully vetted but don’t need anymore headaches at this point. 😂 Two questions: 1. Did you create a video on integrating the Google hub discussed in this video? I’m guessing I’m overlooking it because I can’t seem to find it. 2. Did you happen to hear anything about the firmware fiasco from Linksys that happened about 3-4 weeks ago? It was for their Velop line of routers and caused huge HK integration problems for folks like me. I think you use Orbi so I know you weren’t impacted but might be a topic worth talking about. Thanks again and keep up the fantastic work!!
Thanks for the comment Bryan. I'm not sure what you mean by integrating the google hub. Do you mean integrating it with HomeKit? If so, it doesn't work like that. Basically I can just run these voice assistants side by side and my Matter devices can be paired to any. So I have the option to use Siri or Google when giving commands, etc. But google speakers won't show up in HomeKit and HomePods won't show up in Google. I'll look into the Linksys stuff. Thanks!
maybe that's the point.. running Matter .. and Google .. and Apple .,. and .. and .. and ... all while tryingo to upgrade old devices plus add new native devices .. just too much for all systems to juggle? I haven't gone near starting a 'smart home' as I had NO intention of juggling a variety of systems and hubs. For me it was always going to be one or none .. and hopefully Matter can make that a reality.
Hello Shane. Do you know if there’s any Smart Home product that could help me operate my door buzzer system remotely? (to open and close the intercom door)
The firmware update or the Eve Outdoor camera broke 2 devices. Eve replaced them, Thant you Eve!! The 3rd one is working just fine WITHOUT doing the firmware updaeI I recommend NOT upgrading the firmware on this device.
hi shane, i got firmware update for my m1s hub to matter same with your experience now i have 2 hub in homekit : 1 original and 1 matter version i have question : 1. as the matter version lose the function of security system, will the original keep the function if i'm not deleting it from the homekit? 2. why is the accesories bind into the hub not following it into the homekit? is it the child accesories that i have not yet get matter support?
I’ve been looking to replace my Wyze Sensor V1 because it stopped working and they don’t make them anymore. But right now it seems Matter is too new. I primarily use Amazon Echo devices but I have my eye on the Samsung Smart Things Station.
@@MKizzle2906 Your not upgrading your home necessarily. Just the devices. Your homekit home already supports Matter. You can use Matter devices and old homekit devices together in the same home, no problem.
Just figured out an issue I had figured I’d share. Aqara malfunctions on a Homekit router if you change it’s access to anything other than “not restricted” than an issue on iOS 16.2 prevented me from added accessories. 16.3 released fixing everything for me but than I changed my router settings and it fried my Aqara again (thus discovering the problem). Aqara requires constant pinging of Chinese servers or it malfunctions.
Hi so I have a little problem with my homepod mini. I created a shortcut for my morning briefing and the speak text automation just plays from my phone instead of the homepod (i have the shortcut to change playback destination to homepod enabled) any help?
Sounds like a mess at the moment! I only want matter so I can build my Apple HomeKit. I want nothing to do with the others, I’m just happy to get way more options for HomeKit, finally!
Hi, Do you know any solution for Home 16.3 (HPmini, iPhone) on MacOS monterey and older ? Since i updated i don't get a connection anymore with my mac.
I’ve been having issues with the Eve smart plug and Home Kit being consistent. I do have an IPad as my hub given my Apple TVs being out of date. I’m looking at either a new HomePod or a new Apple TV.
Yes, I'd definitely recommend a homePod or Apple TV as your hub. And once you upgrade to the new HomeKit architecture, you won't be able to use an iPad as your hub anymore.
@@ShaneCreates Hmmm.. Thanks for responding. Im going to try to stick to matter+thread on any of my new devices. Im waiting it out until everything is out of beta. Ill be watching your videos for updates!
Any idea why Aqara Temp. sensor is deleted automatically - accessory deleted - message from Hub? Changed the new battery, but the same. Shows up to date. Could it be because my hub have 24 devices? Or temp sensor is broken? 😢
Thanks for giving it a try, Shane. Seems like a bumpy road ahead, but nothing a few updates can't solve. Getting several different entire ecosystems to work together smoothly is a massive challenge. Btw, I think you may need to get a dedicated warehouse for home automation testing. After watching this video, I fear that if any more problems pop up, your wife is going to want to kill you 😆
It depends if you know for a fact that you'll stick to one voice assistant or another. If you know you'll only ever use Apple, then getting products now that support homekit is perfectly fine. That said, getting products that support ALL voice assistants is not a bad idea. That gives you flexibility if you do ever decide to change. Similarly, you can wait for Matter devices, but you might be waiting a while still, depending on what type of products you are looking for.
HomeKit will support Matter regardless. So in the future you can get Matter products that will work with your current homekit setup. The question should be: should you update your existing products if they offer an optional upgrade to matter (like my M2 hub for example). And if you are sticking to homekit and only native homekit products, then no, there is no real need to update any of your existing devices to Matter.
I wish in order for things to be called “smart” it would work with a smart home / hub as an industry standard to earn that title I can’t explain how much anxiety it’s been trying to figure out how to get all my devices under 1 entity instead spread across 30 different apps or at least someone crate an launcher that’s compatible with every app. Ik it’s all minor things that are virtually unimportant but with ocd I get this compulsion to have everything together and even with services like Home Ass I still have entities that are incompatible with that networking so so matter what corner I face I’m still stuck.
Multiple SSIDs/Access Points is going to confuse matter over Wi-Fi/Ethernet depending on your network setup. Would be nice if some made a matter discovery app like the browse the thread network in the eve app.
It shouldn't As long as everything is on the same broadcast subnet, that should be easy enough to cope with, because matter relies on mDNS. The only problem right now, is that Apple are not on OpenThread 1.3 - which has a few fixes in place, one of which is registering what services devices are offering in the Border Router, so that mDNS requests across the Thread network are not necessary, matter controllers will simply ask the Border Router "what services does that light provide" and the router will respond with it's cache of services. The other major fix is to allow all the Open Thread border routers to join the same Thread network, instead of Apple, Google, Amazon etc each creating their own Thread network.
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I agree 100 percent. After converting all my Eve devices to matter it was a struggle to get Homekit running stable. It seems the Thread network takes forever to fully recognize all devices. With devices not responding and waiting hours the network slowly seemed to rebuild itself. Sit tight everyone wait a while hopefully things get better in the near future.
Thanks for sharing Richard!
So what you’re saying is they half assed gave us what we wanted.
I noticed the same thing if someone unplugs one of my thread smart plugs, or manually turns off a light bulb switch, the thread network takes time to rebuild and during that time, some automations are slow or don't work.
@@jaysbakes37 Yes you can. That's the whole idea of Matter. It's just gonna take some time, imo, before everything is working seamlessly.
we appreciate your effort Shane in order to show us this new thing. It's hard especially when you have your smart home running smoothly (which is quite an accomplishment for all of us). Keep up the good work.
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100% agreed. Thanks for your time
Has there been any progress or updates since this video was released? I'm currently undecided about upgrading to Matter and would appreciate insights into any initial issues that have been resolved.
Dude, thanks for taking the hit for us. 👍
I'm really looking forward to Matter being everywhere! I always didn't like not being able to choose a device for my smart home just because it wasn't not supported by HomeKit. Great video!
Thanks, Shane. Your video just shows why most of your viewers who have working Homekit systems have little to gain by converting existing working devices to Matter. The idea is to get things/devices into Homekit that you might have and aren't supported natively in Homekit. If you're using Homebridge and Hubitat, you probably already have most things already working in Homekit. If, however, you really want Eve devices to work with Alexa then Matter might be a help, but I'd say just use Aqara devices which already work with Homekit and Alexa. I long ago quit playing around with Google stuff as they turned their back on smart home users, including me, several years ago. Anyway, the bottom line for me is to forget Matter for now. I;d like to get away from Homebridge, but it has been totally reliable for the past couple of years as is my Hubitat hub. Thanks for confirming my decision.
Thanks for watching and for the comment Hugh!
Definitely gonna wait. Thanks for tackling the challenges of starting the transition. I look forward to updates on the continued rollout. And yes Apple give us a hub with a screen!! 😂
Wow, thanks so much for this video. Definitely don’t feel the need to upgrade at least until later on. I have finally got my Home stable which was difficult with circa 8 home hub devices and this would probably start causing more ‘No response’ errors
Right now Philips Hue is just NOT meshing with Homekit. Will be responsive for a few hours, and then back to no response. Every software updated. Thank you for all your efforts in sharing your experience. PS: the Airversa(s) just decided to not show up at all on anything including their native app. Pure Chaos.
Seeing the same thing with my Phillips Hue. Thought it was just me and did a full home reset to find it in the same state. Maybe what is being reported in the video is a wider issue not just mater
Dang, sorry to hear that. Was hoping things were going a little better with the philips hue beta/matter integration. Thanks for sharing.
@@ShaneCreates "Hey Shane, show us the light" ;)
@@grahamhargreaves8386 I have: 1. upgraded to the latest Apple TV 4K. 2. Bought an iPod Mini. 3. Updated to the latest Linksy's Node. 4. Added a Hub. 5. Unplugged replugged. Nooooooooothing has worked. I remain optimistic and am saving a bottle of Champagne for the day it all comes back on!
@@ShaneCreates I’m not even on the matter beta. I think there are general issues with home/iOS not just with matter devices
I signed up for the Hue matter update right away on nov 3rd. Waited the 5 day waiting period. Previously my 6 hue devices showed in Apple Homekit. Afterwards the additional 16 ikea 2 cree and a couple other Seedan branded bulbs on the hue bridge showed up in apple. I use these devices in hue for the lutron aurora dimmer. I’ve found many other non homekit zigbee brands work great with hue and now also in Matter. I am still anxiously awaiting the Aqara and ikea updates for their matter friendly hubs.
Glad to hear your experience has been pretty smooth so far. Thanks for sharing!
Great advice Shane and as someone that began this smart home journey way back in early 2017 I can say with great certainty that I understand your pain and frustration. There’s nothing that will keep me awake at night more than knowing a device isn’t connecting or operating properly. This whole journey has given me gray hairs so I’ll just sit back and let you younger folks work out the kinks for us. 💪🏼😎👍🏼
"I don't have any Philips Hue stuff anyway" - made my day. Shane that made you my friend. !! 😃
haha thanks for watching friend! 😃
As Matter is truly not available till April as that's when virtual all out of the box devices will get released & most of the updates, hopefully by then all the connection issues will be solved, great videos like this will show the companies what the issues are. Glad you love the Google Max yes Apple is slow wit a home display hub.
Thanks for sharing your frustrations and guidance
Great experiment and great video! Moral of the story for me is to wait at least until all phases of Matter (ie cameras, video operability) are rolled out.
Thanks for watching!
I installed Philips Hue Matter Beta last week, it works without problems with Homekit. And all my other brand Zigbee devices works with Homekit over Hue Bridge! (Ledvance, Hue, Lidl, Ikea)
Glad to hear it's been working well for you. Thanks for sharing!
Finally got my Eve devices in Google Home…. I entered matter codes manually Instead of scanning code. Just like you did in video…. Thank
You.
Nice! Glad you got them to work!
I’m certainly in no hurry to move to matter. Looking forward to new devices being made available to HomeKit, but I’ll leave my old stuff alone.
Thank you so much. Tell us when it is working and what will be the benefit for Apple HomeKit users.
What a nightmare! I use HomeKit to control my home. Most of my devices are X-wave set up on Hubitat (which is excellent). Later I added a Hoobs bridge to allow these devices to be seen/controlled on Homkit. That work well for a while but then was sometimes not responding in HomeKit. Then Hubitat added native HomeKit support and works excellent about 90% of the time. I do have to reboot my hubitat occasionally due to devices not responding in HomeKit which solves my problem. Sounds like matter is not a solution yet. I highly recommend Hubitat which you have reviewed. My hub is an original elevation prior to C2 and still works very well. Thanks for your videos!
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the advice Shane. Very much appreciated. Seeing that……I think I’ll wait 😉
I also like that my Eve matter devices on my Apple TV thread hub are now accessible to smartthings and other matter fabrics that do not have a thread hub directly. Huge plus for Matter
Thanks, Shane. Seeing the current state in a real world update makes the decision to stay on HK pretty easy. I have a house full of exclusively Apple users so there’s no reason to go through the nightmare you were showing.
Since ios 16.3 i have had nothing but problems with my homekit home. Mainly my Aqara buttons and sensors but also some automations work and other dont so over it
Thank you so much for this video. This just solidifies my decision that I won't be touching Matter with a 10-foot pole; at least for now. I'll review this again this summer. Right now I will be sticking with an Apple Home only for now.
So am I correct in my thinking that one of them best features of matter is so that we don’t need multiple hubs to connect our devices that are sprawled throughout the house? For example, security cameras at different ends of the house needing that connectivity?
From your report, I’m not encouraged at this point.
Interesting! I think I’m going to wait as long as possible. I’m a 1 platform guy. No hurry for me.
Wow. So many things to 'unpack' in this video...
Seems like your Thumbnail Title should have been "IF it goes smoothly..."
Anyway - I am absolutely one of the 'Crazy Ones' you mentioned at the end of the video - and knowing that, I am STILL not crazy enough to mess with any of this nonsense. Yet. :)
Your experience, that of other Smart Home Content Creators and the feedback from those on your Member's Discord Group have left me quite happy with my decision to NOT jump on the Matter Bandwagon as of yet.
Great video. Thanks, as always, for your content.
Thanks for watching! Yes, often us 'crazy ones' who are so eager to try the new things, are also the ones with a lot of accessories and more potential for things to go wrong. So sometimes waiting is definitely a smart move.
Matter will be great, eventually! I love getting great advice from you. This was an excellent video as always. Eric
Thanks for watching Eric!
So, to sum up, if our current Apple HomeKit setup is working perfectly, and we’re not planning on mixing Smart Home ecosystem, there’s no added benefit to update HomeKit devices to Matter?
Precisely.
Awesome video as usual. The more I see of matter 1.0 I’m more interested in selling my echos and buying HomePod minis.
Great informative video Shane! I am going to wait on a few devices to get full matter updates before purchasing!
Thanks for watching Nick! Yea hopefully one these new products support matter right off the shelves, thing will be a little smoother.
Thanks, Shane. You've convinced me to shut off auto firmware updates on all devices and wait it out for a while. I'm almost all Apple anyway, with the exception of a few Aqara devices. But the Aqara devices work just fine as is through the camera hub I have. So I'll wait for more YT videos throughout the year and see if things improve.
Thanks for watching! And the great thing is that Aqara devices work with Apple Home already, even without Matter, so you should be good!
Still hoping for any smart lights to fit the Philips G9 fittings in my lamp... Haven't found anything for Homekit
Though maybe Matter will eventually help this
Hey Shane! Don't know if you'll see this and I know its not out yet. Can you do a review/comparison between the new HomePod2 and the HomePod Mini? Know there's a huge price difference but trying to see what the justified reason for the 2 would even be. Thanks!
Seems like a potential headache for now I can do without ;-}
Respect for going through all that and share the experience.
Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
I have one Eve product, but was able to get it updated and integrated with SmartThings. So far so good.
Good to hear! I've heard the SmartThings integration has been a little smoother than Google. I'll definitely try it out myself soon.
@@ShaneCreates I'm a fan of Apple Home for use as a dashboard, but I like Smartthings for some of the automations. Unlocking the doors when I come home without a dummy switch comes to mind. I also like Alexa...I'm just a tinkerer.
I am looking for a plug and play, Home-kit IR blaster. Thanks for the help
Thanks for another great video. I am excited to see this getting real. I will wait and keep watching till some more bugs are worked out. But will really enjoy if I can have one App (Hub) to rule them all.
I figured it wasn’t going to be perfect in the beginning. Going to give it a good year or two before I update all my smart home products to Matter
Thanks again for the heads up on Matter integration. Since I am only setup in HomeKit and not seeing myself to move into any other ecosystem anytime soon, there is certainly no advantage to migration. But given the matter support available in HomeKit, I will like to try adding some matter devices to the HomeKit if such device no native HomeKit support. Another concern that I have is: since HomeKit matter support will be communicated through home hub only, is that defeating the actual matter advantage of meshing network? So, with HomeKit, it is still best for thread devices with native HomeKit support, right? If so, I would hope the brand such as EVE and Aqara will continue there native support for HomeKit as addition to their matter support.
If a product supports Matter, it supports HomeKit natively. If you're only concerned with using HomeKit/Apple Home, then just getting products that "Works with HomeKit" or "works with matter" should be all you need to worry about. Either is fine and either is native HomeKit support.
Haha I have all the problems you mentioned 😅. I just have to wait for future updates
Totally agree. I somehow bricked my Eve Door/Window sensor trying to upgrade it. Now it won’t connect at all. Lesson learned.
Frankly, most of the problems you described have already occurred on my network before even updating to Matter. Starting with the 16.2 updates, my thread network has become very unreliable, and 16.3 made it even worse. I've found in general that my network is better behaved wgen an Apple TV is the hub rather than a HomePod mini. But even then, I have a number of devices that are intermittently unresponsive, and some devices (both HomePod Mini and Apple TV) that spontaneously start playing media. I'm now at the point where I dread new Apple updates!
Update 16.3.1 is even worse. All of my Eve devices are now shown as unreachable on my thread network. So Eve has a problem with Apple; how biblical! ;-)
Hi Shane
Could it be that Apple is playing up? We've not got any Matter devices nor have we hot an upgrade option on our Eve products …and still I had to set EVERYTHING up again because our Original HomePods keep asking "Who's speaking?"
My problem started before 16.3. I had hoped 16.3 would have fixed it, but it still occurs, albeit sporadically.
Thanks for another informative video.
Are NEST products getting upgraded to MATTER? Either as an OTA update to existing products or new ones?
Shane: looking to use a shortcut to have eve plug turn on for 2 hours, 3, 5 or 7 hours (controls a room heater). Using a menu in a personal automation shortcut for the selection, and repeating a wait time of 10 minutes to obtain desired total wait time. Problem is, once iphone screen locks the shortcut fails. How to pass the selection to a Home automation where the timings are not device dependent? Perhaps idea for a video. Thanks.
Refer your question over to Reddit in the iOS shortcuts subreddit
@@briancrink Good idea - thanks
After I upgraded to Matter, the EVE door and window sensor it "self-destructed". I tried to reset and add it again, but it didn't work anymore. I had an error code (HFErrorDomain error 6.0.1.) Now I'm waiting for the new one replaced under warranty to arrive. I won't try again, especially since I don't even need Matter. Thread is enough and works perfectly.
Thanks for taking this A** kicking for us, your viewers, so we don’t have to Shane!
🤣 Anytime!! 😅
Hi Shane, I am a bit confused. Please note that I'm not an expert at all. I have the following setup:
- a lot of Eve Thermo for the heating
- an Eve Motion Sensor
- a lot of Philips Hue bulbs and lightstrips and a motion sensor
- an Apple TV 4k & an Eve Hub, also a HomePod mini.
All are working fine with the Eve and the Hue apps, many of the also in the HomeKit.
What should I do? Upgrade to matter or wait? I don't even know if the firmware is already available for these products...
Thanks in advance for your (or anyone's) kind reply 😜
Like I stated in the video, "if it ain't broke don't fix it." Unless you have a really good reason to upgrade your devices to Matter, I'd hold off for a while.
@@ShaneCreates Thanks, I’ll do so 👌
Hey Shane! I’ve got a question.. I recently moved, and haven’t used my devices in about 6+ months. I’m rebuilding my smart home and have run into a snag. For some reason any of the 2 matter devices (at least I think they are the only two) won’t connect when adding them to HomeKit. First issue was with a brand new Nanoleaf essentials light, still haven’t gotten it to connect.. my most recent issue was with the eve energy - I connected it without issue to my home, then got a notification for an update and upgrade to matter.. I did all that, and now it won’t connect 😅
Thanks for this. I’m holding off then. I can wait. I’m not in a hurry. I can wait years if need be as long as they have this “matter” ironed out. 😂
I have to admit that after updating to 16.2 and taking the option to "Upgrade" to the new architecture before Apple pulled it my HomeKit setup became almost unusable with multiple reports on my phone that ALL my home hubs were unavailable (12 of them) and then a few mins later they would all be back again. Frequently a HomePod Mini would be promoted to the Connected Hub in preference to an ethernet connected Apple TV. Struggled with it for several weeks and now I've deleted all of this, created a new Apple Home and added everything back again. The moral of this story is that we are likely to get "pain" due to updates from the many vendors involved even if we don't upgrade to Matter specifically. Certainly the HomeKit update was a very frustrating exercise.
This has been my exact experience this week. Completely random unresponsive errors on the unreliable 16.3 new HomeKit architecture. I really don’t want to factory reset everything but I’m close to doing it.
@@briancrink I’m reluctant to tempt fate - but doing a full rebuild using a new Home name has apparently fixed all the problems I was experiencing. Hope you have a similar experience
I do not plan on updating any of my existing HomeKit devices to Matter. I will only use Matter to add devices to my Home App that I do not currently have if there is not an official HomeKit option.
Not everyone can just set up a smart home. Hopefully Matter smart devices will get better overtime and solve that problem 🙂
sup shane upgrading to homekit as soon as i get my hands on a i device ipad' homepod ' or apple tv 4k 2022 version starting with my smart by vizio
hey can u make a video on setting up home with bluetooth. trying to setup home kit without wifi bluetooth only or zigbee
Yea I am not upgrading to matter or using this in matter. HomeKit works just fine
I got a smart thing hub and it worked good I even got ring stuff working without me doing anything
I think I will delay upgrading for as long as possible, as all my stuff works great now and I don't want to mess it up :)
Hey Shane! What about that Apple Keychain service connected to the Aqara hub? What is it?
I think we need a small QR Code printer so we can print matter barcodes on "upgraded" equipment - when we are satisfied that its safe to do so. Yes I know there are apps to record the information but there's nothing quite so convenient than a barcode on the actual device.
Unless said device is a bulb high up inside a recessed fixture in the ceiling. 🙂
Maybe.... when Apple eventually actually update to Thread v1.3.0 (as required for the patch release of Matter....) - maybe, things will settle down. When you connect everything to the Apple Homepod first, which is NOT running v1.3.0 of OpenThreadBorderRouter, then you lose the ability for devices to roam across border routers, because until Apple update the Border Router, devices attached to it, are stuck there, your Google Home can't join the Thread network that the Homepod has created. v1.3.0 is supposed to fix this limitation, so that you have ONE thread network with multiple border routers (regardless of who makes it). Right now that's not happening for you, your Google Hub is generating it's own Thread network because it can't join the existing one. Additionally, because the Google Home can't join the Apple thread network, then all attempts to communicate with the thread devices, have to be routed via the Homepod. This is quite obviously not the preferred way of doing things. Each router should be able to talk to the Thread network directly, if it can't - then it is ONLY a matter controller.
Thanks for your explanation!
Hi Shane. Great video as always. Super helpful. I’ll be waiting at least a year before I attempt to go down the Matter path. It’ll be great once fully vetted but don’t need anymore headaches at this point. 😂
Two questions:
1. Did you create a video on integrating the Google hub discussed in this video? I’m guessing I’m overlooking it because I can’t seem to find it.
2. Did you happen to hear anything about the firmware fiasco from Linksys that happened about 3-4 weeks ago? It was for their Velop line of routers and caused huge HK integration problems for folks like me. I think you use Orbi so I know you weren’t impacted but might be a topic worth talking about.
Thanks again and keep up the fantastic work!!
Thanks for the comment Bryan. I'm not sure what you mean by integrating the google hub. Do you mean integrating it with HomeKit? If so, it doesn't work like that. Basically I can just run these voice assistants side by side and my Matter devices can be paired to any. So I have the option to use Siri or Google when giving commands, etc. But google speakers won't show up in HomeKit and HomePods won't show up in Google.
I'll look into the Linksys stuff. Thanks!
You used to manually go through your teenagers phone reading their texts etc? Wow, congrats on the damage you've done to your relationship with them.
maybe that's the point.. running Matter .. and Google .. and Apple .,. and .. and .. and ... all while tryingo to upgrade old devices plus add new native devices .. just too much for all systems to juggle? I haven't gone near starting a 'smart home' as I had NO intention of juggling a variety of systems and hubs. For me it was always going to be one or none .. and hopefully Matter can make that a reality.
Hello Shane. Do you know if there’s any Smart Home product that could help me operate my door buzzer system remotely? (to open and close the intercom door)
The firmware update or the Eve Outdoor camera broke 2 devices. Eve replaced them, Thant you Eve!! The 3rd one is working just fine WITHOUT doing the firmware updaeI I recommend NOT upgrading the firmware on this device.
hi shane, i got firmware update for my m1s hub to matter
same with your experience now i have 2 hub in homekit : 1 original and 1 matter version
i have question :
1. as the matter version lose the function of security system, will the original keep the function if i'm not deleting it from the homekit?
2. why is the accesories bind into the hub not following it into the homekit? is it the child accesories that i have not yet get matter support?
Will I loose the security feature on Aqara M2 ? if i move over to matter, currently linked via homekit
Do you know if Homebridge will support matter devices?
I think just as it is now, it's going to depend on the individual device manufacturers and the plugins that are available from the community.
I’ve been looking to replace my Wyze Sensor V1 because it stopped working and they don’t make them anymore. But right now it seems Matter is too new. I primarily use Amazon Echo devices but I have my eye on the Samsung Smart Things Station.
Do I have to change/buy new device to use matter ? Or all of them will have update and work well ?
Some devices will get updated to matter (like Eve and Aqara shown in video). Others will require new devices to support matter.
@@ShaneCreates so after I upgrade my home to matter, does the old homekit device still work well with the new matter home ?
@@MKizzle2906 Your not upgrading your home necessarily. Just the devices. Your homekit home already supports Matter. You can use Matter devices and old homekit devices together in the same home, no problem.
So matter doesn’t illuminate all the different hugs?
Just figured out an issue I had figured I’d share. Aqara malfunctions on a Homekit router if you change it’s access to anything other than “not restricted” than an issue on iOS 16.2 prevented me from added accessories. 16.3 released fixing everything for me but than I changed my router settings and it fried my Aqara again (thus discovering the problem). Aqara requires constant pinging of Chinese servers or it malfunctions.
How many times have you said Hey Siri to your Google Home Hub? 😂
Hi so I have a little problem with my homepod mini. I created a shortcut for my morning briefing and the speak text automation just plays from my phone instead of the homepod (i have the shortcut to change playback destination to homepod enabled) any help?
Sounds like a mess at the moment! I only want matter so I can build my Apple HomeKit. I want nothing to do with the others, I’m just happy to get way more options for HomeKit, finally!
Nest and Ring would be great if they would become available in "Matter".
Hi, Do you know any solution for Home 16.3 (HPmini, iPhone) on MacOS monterey and older ? Since i updated i don't get a connection anymore with my mac.
So you have to upgrade each eve device independently? That's intense.
I’ve been having issues with the Eve smart plug and Home Kit being consistent. I do have an IPad as my hub given my Apple TVs being out of date. I’m looking at either a new HomePod or a new Apple TV.
Yes, I'd definitely recommend a homePod or Apple TV as your hub. And once you upgrade to the new HomeKit architecture, you won't be able to use an iPad as your hub anymore.
Having issues too, Shane, but mine is with Phillip Hue hub.
Sorry to hear it. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the heads up Shane. Quick question, how were you summoning Siri by saying “Siri” and not “Hey Siri”?
I edited out "Hey" so that I wouldn't trigger your devices while watching the video.
Is it matter+wifi that is becoming unresponsive or are you noticing matter+thread devices also getting unresponsive too?
All matter devices were giving me issues at some point. Thread, ethernet... I haven't setup any wifi matter devices yet, but will soon.
@@ShaneCreates Hmmm.. Thanks for responding.
Im going to try to stick to matter+thread on any of my new devices. Im waiting it out until everything is out of beta.
Ill be watching your videos for updates!
Any idea why Aqara Temp. sensor is deleted automatically - accessory deleted - message from Hub? Changed the new battery, but the same. Shows up to date. Could it be because my hub have 24 devices? Or temp sensor is broken? 😢
There are reported issues with HomeKit and matter. Apple is likely releasing a iOS 16.3.1 update to address it
Thanks for giving it a try, Shane. Seems like a bumpy road ahead, but nothing a few updates can't solve. Getting several different entire ecosystems to work together smoothly is a massive challenge. Btw, I think you may need to get a dedicated warehouse for home automation testing. After watching this video, I fear that if any more problems pop up, your wife is going to want to kill you 😆
What about when you want to start a smart home from scratch? What to buy now or still wait?
It depends if you know for a fact that you'll stick to one voice assistant or another. If you know you'll only ever use Apple, then getting products now that support homekit is perfectly fine.
That said, getting products that support ALL voice assistants is not a bad idea. That gives you flexibility if you do ever decide to change. Similarly, you can wait for Matter devices, but you might be waiting a while still, depending on what type of products you are looking for.
@@ShaneCreates Thank you for replying Shane, I was planning to stick with HomeKit anyway.
If one sticks with native HomeKit products will they still need to update the system to matter?
HomeKit will support Matter regardless. So in the future you can get Matter products that will work with your current homekit setup.
The question should be: should you update your existing products if they offer an optional upgrade to matter (like my M2 hub for example). And if you are sticking to homekit and only native homekit products, then no, there is no real need to update any of your existing devices to Matter.
@@ShaneCreates awesome, that’s what I was trying to ask. Thanks so much.
Should’ve went with Amazon, Google just isn’t up to snuff when it comes to automating your home!
Hope the g2h non pro will be updated aswell.
The Google Home Gen 2 (the one that tracks sleep) was updated in December.
@@AndrewJonesMcGuire I was talking about the Aqara hub but thanks anyway.
Why did they take the aqara app off the Google Play store?
I wish in order for things to be called “smart” it would work with a smart home / hub as an industry standard to earn that title I can’t explain how much anxiety it’s been trying to figure out how to get all my devices under 1 entity instead spread across 30 different apps or at least someone crate an launcher that’s compatible with every app. Ik it’s all minor things that are virtually unimportant but with ocd I get this compulsion to have everything together and even with services like Home Ass I still have entities that are incompatible with that networking so so matter what corner I face I’m still stuck.
does the aqara M2 hub ned the HomePod mini to control matter LED bulbs?
The Aqara M2 is not a Matter controller. It can only control other Aqara accessories.
@@ShaneCreates thank you..
Bro I just received my
Hubitat evolution. I have Philips wiz bulbs. It sees them for HomeKit I’m the Hubitat but it says not compatible wth ?
I had to reboot my Apple TV and reset my Eve Energy before it would update.
so right now i need 2 Aqara M2 hub to get the matter and the security system? i hope it will be fix in a later update
My guess is that "security systems" aren't a supported Matter device type right now.
@@ShaneCreates hope it coming
for will build a "security systems" in homekit
Multiple SSIDs/Access Points is going to confuse matter over Wi-Fi/Ethernet depending on your network setup. Would be nice if some made a matter discovery app like the browse the thread network in the eve app.
It shouldn't As long as everything is on the same broadcast subnet, that should be easy enough to cope with, because matter relies on mDNS. The only problem right now, is that Apple are not on OpenThread 1.3 - which has a few fixes in place, one of which is registering what services devices are offering in the Border Router, so that mDNS requests across the Thread network are not necessary, matter controllers will simply ask the Border Router "what services does that light provide" and the router will respond with it's cache of services. The other major fix is to allow all the Open Thread border routers to join the same Thread network, instead of Apple, Google, Amazon etc each creating their own Thread network.
@@AndrewJonesMcGuire great reply the kind of info I was looking for.