Brendan Kavanagh & the Piano Incident! The Chinese Reaction.
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#china #Brendankavanagh
He antagonized them - WTF - they came up to him! We know who's buttering your bread!
CCP’s budget is getting tight these foreign propagandists market is very competitive now, this guy’s main viewers are Chinese on Chinese Tiktok
Very dry bread here.
He got pay by ccp proganda department. Still mad at myself for giving him a view. Totally brainwashed or just kissing ccp behind to make them accept him. At least he get some Chinese chick every night.😂
@@TobyChinadon't worry. You will be forgotten. Jason lightfoot, lee Barrett they are all better than you
Dr K could sue the group for verbal assault and harassment.
After that malicious video of lies that was just put out by the one who at the time appeared to be well mannered - he should.
It's not shown but the lady with the hat had come up to Kavanagh,
shook his hand and introduced herself. He asked her if she was
Japanese because his friend said that a group of Japanese
filmmakers were at the station also. They were near the area of the
Chinese group. Kavanagh asked if the hat lady played the piano and
she motioned that the tall gentlemen with the glasses played.
Kavanagh asked him to play, the Chinese gentleman played for a
minute and then went back to the group. The PR for China was great
until the the shouter and another woman, with a ponytail came up
and started this confrontation. The police did not help either.
Yes, I saw that, think it was from the live stream. You are right, it was all going so well at that point😂. All very friendly and then….
@@TobyChina it wasn't from the live stream, it happened before the live stream started. So perhaps something transpired during that time. From the video, I noticed Dr K refer to the group as Japanese again towards the end of the video (but I think he was referring to the actual Japanese group) AND the Chinese piano guy heard it and probably thought Dr K was doing it on purpose and seemed offended by that. To be fair to Dr K, he said later the Chinese and Japanese group were all standing together, adding more to the confusion.
This is the video, "Appearances Can Be Misleading When You Sing The Blues"
th-cam.com/video/OKd-SFbYrFY/w-d-xo.html
@@TobyChina it was a separate video before the live stream titled, "Appearances Can Be Misleading When You Sing The Blues".
At the end you can hear Dr K mentioned again that the group is Japanese, you can see that the Chinese piano player didn't like that. Dr K claims there were Japanese film crew standing with the Chinese film crew, which I don't see in the video.
@@sk8moto The Japanese film crew were against the wall. The Chinese film crew were in the middle. The Japanese film crew were there to work with Kavanaugh's friend... the friend that sang and played the piano.
@@virginia2949 I know about the Japanese crew and why they are there, just never noticed them in the livefeed. Strange there is no video of them from Kavanaugh. Anyways, the fact is Kavanaugh immediately assumed these Chinese were tourists and started making inflammatory comments, essentially accusing them of being communists, applying Chinese laws, and started jabbing his finger at the lady's flag. It's amazing the mass majority saw nothing wrong with this behavior. I guess people like the assumption that anyone who speaks with an English accent is somehow more sophisticated and more proper. The taller white guy who involved himself in the argument also started dropping f bombs, not everyone seems to turned a blind eye to that.
He didn’t approach them. They approached him. They know he’s a famous TH-camr so obviously they will be in it.
That's the strange bit isn't it. Unless its a tiny camera, surely they saw the camera. So something must have changed half way through for them to decide they no longer wanted to be filmed.
@@TobyChina Either the older man told them it's a TH-cam livestream with millions of subscribers, or the shouty guy arrived with a different perspective on their NDA with CCTV, or both
Xinnie the Pooh 😂 he's not happy , so embarrassing that a great leader like Xi is scared of a cartoon character 😂 he needs to learn to laugh at himself and not take things so seriously 😂
Toby I get the impression that the CCP funds your activities.
Your view of this situation is just as distorted as that groups explanation.
No funding here. Just trying to give a more balanced view. For the record, I don’t think the video should be taken down (I would like to think I would have blurred their faces if they asked me) but now that it has blown up it should remain up there and act as a platform for better and more open conversation on social media.
@@TobyChinathe more you lie. The more you embarrass yourself. You do get funded. I too lived in china for 8 years. You can fool others but not me
Nice opinion on your veiw of Dr K , but you are wrong, watch it all again .
I would love for you to point out one instance where dr k was being “ antagonistic.” They were all laughing and dancing before scarf 🧣 guy got involved. They literally are part of the CCP ( Chinese Communist Party )and saying they have communist flags is rude? The mental gymnastics is incredible.
Confusing them with Japanese people on purpose. Stating that British women were more fun (was that because they were Japanese or Chinese women or are all Asian women "not fun"?) constantly referring to their ethnicity (try that with other ethnic groups and see how much youtube support you get) using the negative impression that communism has in Britain as a slur against them (Dr.K seemingly resides in Britain does that mean he supports all the actions of the current Conservative government or likely Labour Government in the future?). You can stand up for free speech (his words) without being antagonistic.
But the flag is literally a communist flag. The big star represents the CPC....if I were to wave either a Labour or Conservative party flag, then I can't really complain if people associate me with the party flag that I am waving.
It is written into the constitution of the People's Republic of China that the Party shall be the natural ruler of the Chinese state, and the Party itself insists that there is no difference between party and state in China. Given these points, I would argue that it would be expected for people to associate the Chinese state with the CPC. So, your analogy with the Labour or Conservative parties in the UK is deeply flawed.
@@nickwool9751
Do you call the Vietnamese flag... a "Communist flag" too ?
🤔
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 I don't know enough about the Vietnamese flag or the Vietnamese state's political system to comment either way. But if it is representative of the Vietnamese Communist Party (or whatever the communist party of Vietnam calls itself), then it would be a communist flag.
@@nickwool9751
Do Westerners call their flags "Democratic flag" or "Capitalist flag" ?
Obviously indoctrinated to prejudice and discriminate against Communist .
Now I understand what the term "little pink" means, thank you.
What does it mean?
@@TobyChinayour mom
Well, that's a nice attempt at rationalizing bad behaviour....
The shouting and aggressive behavior from Newton especially was just wrong. 100%. I just don’t think asking people to delete/blur their face from a video is bad behavior. Whether they agree to edit you out is another matter, but no bad behavior in asking.
Yes it´s a free speech issue. You can´t expect privacy in a public area. What you can see you can film or take photos.
I think that is really something that could be discussed/debated in further detail. I fully support freedom of speech. I just don't think politely requesting that you be removed from an inconsequential role in a video/photo denies anyone of free speech.
@@TobyChina It's a livestream, and (as so rigorously pointed out by the bots) probably his source of income.
@TobyChina you can ask all you want but he doesn't have to agree to do anything....
Mate I love you but you seem to have missed most of the key aspects of this incident:
That group were there to make a piece of positive propaganda film, singing 'Happy New Year from England', for the Chinese New Year gala - the only thing on TV at Chinese New Year, on every channel. It was very important to their CCP bosses, so they were under pressure. After waiting and realising BK was settled in for the day, they decided to try and manipulate him off the piano because their boss, 'ex'-spy Christina Lee (clearly visible in several shots) expressed impatience. They needed to control the space because they were making pretend 'live' footage for the gala. 'Nasty Newton' fearing for his job, clumsily attempted to use a social manipulation tactic, ('pervy old man trick' they probably call it,) which backfired because he utterly misjudged his target's social status. I'm happy to agree with you that ordinary Chinese folk are decrying this behaviour loudly on their own social media. I'm even more happy to agree with you that ordinary Chinese folk are AMAZING - the children I taught were well-meaning, bright, kind, helpful, supportive of each other and kind to animals.
LOL So, everything said or done for a positive view on China is propaganda?
You should join your "Dr." on all his media endeavors smearing "CCP". 🤣
Your take is ABSOLUTELY correct. What's more, we are in an undeclared cold war with China (if just the start of one). For them to try to make a propaganda film from London is insulting. Also, it's hugely ironic -in their proposed video it would show good relations between China and the UK. But their real feelings towards us were shown by their attitude in Brendan's video.....they feel contempt towards our society, our political system, our values, and to us as people.
@@paulwally9007
Funny false narrative and disinformation.
U$ and UK aiding and abetting terrorists against the Chinese ... in China, Pakistan, Thailand, etc ...
Among the group...only Newtown Leng is accusing DrK of racism.
Yet you white folks over generalized all Chinese as such !
U$ created New Cold War is years in the making !
Listening to your comments it does come across that you know very little about Dr K and your views seem to be based on a single video and thus poor first impressions. I suggest you watch more of Dr K and do a follow up
"This commentary has been approved by my CCP hosts."
Ha, it’s a good line, but a little simplistic. I think it’s important to get balanced views in these things. One of the worrying aspects of this whole incident is the abuse “Chinese” people are getting from it. Newton does not represent China and neither do I….
@@TobyChinayou don't represent china? Hmm interesting. The more you lie. The more you embarrass yourself
"Is it a free speech issue?" This question misses the entire point. British culture says yes; Chinese culture says no (sorry to over-simplify). Technically, it's a "freedom of information" issue, which for some reason, the Brits are accustomed to lumping in with "Freedom of speech". I can see why a Chinese person would be confused, but when travelling, you don't need to understand or agree; the bare minimum is to respect local culture. You also missed the most worrying part of the video for me: "What's your name?" That's the moment I recognised 太子党
Couple of things there for me. Firstly there are people all over the world, who for whatever reason don't want to be filmed/show up in other peoples youtube videos. That could be because they are out with their girlfriend and don't want their wife to see (check out my blood pudding restaurant video-maybe) or any number of other reasons. Just because certain coutries/states allow you to do something doesn't mean you should do it. Secondly you make a good point about asking someone their name. My experience of both countries would be for Britain that would lead to filing a complaint and in China that would lead to finding a colleague/manager having a word with that person.
@@TobyChina Don't conflate "I don't want to be filmed" with "I signed an NDA with a 3rd party, but went out in public, danced on camera, and then threatened other people to comply with an NDA they didn't sign".
Most people are in the first category, and they just walk away. It is asking a little too much from innocent people, but it's the necessary sacrifice to preserve this tool which has so much benefit (cctv cameras, reporting on events, stopping police/government abuses)
If you're in the 2nd category, take responsibility for your own mismanagement, and stop complaining about UK culture.
It's the most common comment on the video "I don't get it... just walk away!"
Brendon did not sign NDA, so he is not liable.
And to the Youutuber here, the issue is Chiina
Loses the respect to other culture when CCP
Says Chiina is the best.
She "misunderstood" a lot, including who cares if SHE signed a nondisclosure. If you want to film in "secret" - go somewhere secret - not a public mall.
@@TobyChina THEY were openly filming HIM. He was not openly filming them - they were part of the background as are the 100's of 1000's of people before them in that PUBLIC station as he was playing. They were also beyond rude. The harassing loud guy was telling the pianist what to do and how to do it. Maybe being polite and well mannered would have been helpful. Also, his playing the piano is live streamed - and is probably instantly recorded by his fans - check out the size of his fan base. You don't dump on a popular internet star and expect the world to dance your tune - they will go after you - they dont care how important you think they are. They were also trying to come across as visitors to the UK - Kavanaugh even asked them but Mr Big Mouth refused to answer him. I am angry because 1. they pulled the race card and there was nothing racist about what he said (he explained the Japanese mix-up) and he often has Asian pianists playing with him and 2. The girl (Christine Lee, I believe) made a video where she maliciously lied (bad move - millions have now seen the whole video). and the more I read - I find out they are actually citizens of the UK but are playing at being from China (complete with flags) because they know how to play the victim game - one of the cops fell for it. My personal watershed moment with these people are when they shoved my children (shoved hard to get ahead in a line up and did not care or look back - my husband lost it and literally tossed them back and they started yelling racism and when that didnt work did some kind of stupid laugh (when my husband and brother glared at them) - my kids are 7 and 9 and they had hurt the 7 year old. That was after dealing with these people all day in Paris. Pushing, shoving, grabbing, shrieking. Never stops. Their mantra is "I have endless rights and you have none".
Brendan was right. Period. They were also recording. If you don't want to be recorded walk away, don't tell British people what they have to do, ffs. Because of incidents like this, people dislike the Chinese even more. Since covid it got worse and things like this do not help at all. They should be expelled.
I have to say your comment was fine until the end when you said "They should be expelled". I really dislike the idea that whenever a "foreigner" does something perceived as wrong they should just be expelled from a country.
@TobyChina imaging a British carries Chinese passport or green card did the same thing in China what will happen to him? Winnie the Xi, or the party or the U shape lock( u know what it means) won’t like that, they only need foreigners married a Chinese wife and praises daily how convenient china is, how delicious the food is, and when they return to own country they upload videos shows their own country how old, how slow, how expensive, yes it’s true and these foreigners made CCP very happy and they have a great life in China
Hate democracy but want to become a citizen of a democratic country. newton leng go out 😏😏😏😏 should be expelled 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@virginia2949
Funny false narrative.
Newtown didn't harass DrK .
It was an altercation which began as a conversation .
Newton construed that DrK was being prejudice towards them. When DrK reach out to touch the flag... Newtown thought otherwise .
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 Yes, Newton thought it was a sexual assault taking place. Big omission from your pseudo story. How would I fare if I waved a UK flag in China, screamed at members of the public and demanded that the public place I was standing on become a private place just for me? The little men in the little vans would have me whisked away in no time.
Ignore the haters Toby. Most people can forgive you for getting things wrong. You are entitled to your opinion and we are free to call you out
I don't know whether to like or dislike that comment, haha. But I suppose that is free speech and I am all for that👍
Stop protecting the evil communist dictatorship.@@TobyChina
People have more respect for Japanese tourists than for Chinese tourists - so they should have been pleased lool
That's due to manipulation by MSM, politicians and vloggers/influencers ..."Chinese" are framed negatively .
Looks like the "don't touch her" boy just reignited Asian hate. Sad!
It re-ignited backlash against Mainland China bad behaviour. Everyone is responsible for their actions. They can no longer hide bad behaviour behind a race card. That ship has sailed.
I know this guy he is on Chinese Tiktok he speaks Chinese pretty good, but I want to ask you, can you get a group of British waving your flag around China and filming freely? If you did exactly the same thing in China what will happen to you? If you waving British flag and dare to yell a Chinese.
I imagine something similar would happen here. A video would be posted, the majority would criticize the “capitalists😂” and some would defend them and a few would try to give a more balanced view. But hey, nobody really knows.
He works in London for the Financial Times.
Your take on what actually happened in the video isn't even worthy of comment...
And yet you commented. I think I give a fairly balanced take on it.
@@TobyChina
This is the only balanced view on this.
Kavanaugh immediately fed her the not allowed interpretation.
He then repeatedly chipped at the man about it being a Chinese or communist thing. The man repeatedly told K it was a personal preference. Then K provoked him further stepping in to touch the flag, which the man took extreme exception to.
K was very passive aggressive. Narcissistic in behaviour.
I'll wager. If it were a charming lady that K fancied he would have acquiesced to her request with glee.
What concerns me most about this, is the followers ignorantly jumping to defend Ks narrative. Having paid no attention to his ploy. Now he keeps updating his followers whilst repeatedly saying, I'd be happy to let this go. Pffft.
There's something off about a dood who wears sunglasses all the time. Even on TV with P Morgan. The eyes are the windows to the soul/real person.
@@hahaha9076 I agree with you. It's weird that the piano guy always wears sunglasses, and this wasn't an 'accidental' annoying act to the Chinese people - he saw an opportunity to blow this up into a click-bait video, so he egged on the "fight." He is a good piano player but NOT a good man.
@@hahaha9076 Your delusional 😂, tell me you did see the other video where Dr K was shaking hands with her ,,, yes he was touching her 😂 no problem then 🤷🏻♂️ as for the sunglasses have you ever thought it may be for good reasons he wears them !!!! I won't mention the fact that there was a exposed SPY there , it's when she turned up behaviours changed 🤔
@@TobyChina nice bed hair TOBBS😂😂😂
I watched it a few times. I'd say Brendan K 'responds' in kind. Like, they approached him, they were rude first, they were agressive first .... And then one of the chinese ladies has made her own video playing the victim which contains a number of falsehoods as well as making Brandans voice sound like a monster ... So why would she do that?
Just done a quick search there, couldn't find that video. Have you got a link?
Any normal person saw the whole video will know how ridiculous those Chinese is especially the roaring guy, I’m Chinese and most decent Chinese won’t act like that
It's in dr K's youtube channel
th-cam.com/video/rBv7arfnt_A/w-d-xo.html
@@TobyChina th-cam.com/video/rBv7arfnt_A/w-d-xo.html
your are red as a firetruck
Don’t think I expressed any political views in the video.
You picked the wrong side.
Toby didn't 'pick' any side. Why must people always 'pick a side'? Life is much more nuanced than that
I picked a side. Don't like dictatorships or their spies.@@markwenham6583
Don’t touch her
Unless you are the same age😂
@@TobyChinatell that to xi jinping who touches young kids. Pics there on google
It’s plausible that the Chinese man’s adverse reaction to being asked ‘Are you from China?’ and to remarks about the flag being communist was a result of Brendan’s patronizing demeanor. Brendan’s later use of the term ‘Commies’, a pejorative term, further underscored his attitude towards them. The Chinese group might have believed that a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) - a legal contract typically used in business environments to safeguard confidential information - granted them the power to stop Brendan from filming them. However, this is a misinterpretation of the intent and boundaries of NDAs. Had this been explained to them in a serene and respectful manner, they might have comprehended and accepted the circumstances.
Few key issues:
1) Dr K, without solid evidence and proof, accused the group of Chinese of wanting to "shoot" him. He even suggested in one of his videos for the military and MI6 to intervene and investigate. This is a very strong and extreme allegation that tarnishes the Chinese's image. However, many viewers have already pointed out that "shoot" means film in the filming context. And then days after that video and people's comments, assuming that Dr K probably already saw many of the comments saying that "shoot" = "film", he still accused the Chinese of wanting to "shoot" him in his come-back performance at St Pancras. This is wrong - trying to exaggerate the reality to sway his viewer's emotions. This issue is already emotionally-charged - making such strong and unsupported allegation is slandering the Chinese. Dr K is sensationalising the entire saga with emotionally-charged accusations.
2) The saga seems to be due to misunderstanding; it could be resolved quickly if Dr K understood that the Chinese were merely asking for censorship of their identities (faces and voices) and avoided provocation through more sensitive use of language (i.e., avoided 'communist' and used 'China'/'Chinese' instead). However, now Dr K is raking in TH-cam revenue and views at the expense of the Chinese's wellbeing and mental health - I cannot imagine the stress they are going through. If this is truly due to misunderstanding, isn't it unjust for Dr K to be profiting from this whole saga while the Chinese are subject to worldwide internet bullying, harassment, and ridicule? It seems like a civil case caused by misunderstanding to me, so this should be resolved among the parties instead of being brought to the internet to 'judge'.
3) Many viewers seem to claim about "free speech" and "freedom to film" in UK. However, one must recognise that "filming without consent" and "posting without consent" are two different and separate issues. "Posting without consent", especially when explicit request for anonymity was given in this case, is wrong and infringement of one's rights to anonymity. Not only did the Chinese requested for anonymity, the policewoman as well - and I believe the policewoman who was doing her professional duties had 100% rights to request for anonymity. I am pretty sure if the Chinese and policewoman hired a lawyer for this case, they have quite a strong chance of winning based on privacy rights. I would like to share the link by Internet Law Centre UK - www.internetlawcentre.co.uk/is-it-legal-to-film-someone-and-upload-it-to-youtube.
There's more to this issue than meets the eye. Both parties have their wrongs - do not only slander one side of the party just because the other has a reputation and fame at stake.
True .
I'm spreading the word out of the 37 sec mark of DrK full video... wherein he hinted something bad was happening and that he needed help !
It's a set-up by DrK against the Chinese group.
I think the pianist is 1) ignor*nt about Chin*se cult*re, 2) listening to the wrong people, and 3) benefiting from publicity.
But:
1) You could equally say: The whole situation could be avoid if the Chin*se people had better communication skills, or if they better understood UK cult*re, especially the s*nsitivity around "freedom of speech" (actually "freedom of information", but Br*ts include that in "speech"). I strongly believe, if you face cult*re cl*sh, the traveller must yield to the locals, and use it as a learning opportunity. This happens daily all over the world.
2) I listened carefully to his video about "Don't sh**t him", and he doesn't make an all*gati*n.
3) Asking for "censorship of their identities" is a very, very bad way to ask for that in the UK. "Censorsh*p" is something we avoid whenever possible. This really is a cultural difference that you must learn and accept if you plan to live in the UK. The very act of trying to cens*r makes people wonder what crimin*l thing you are trying to hide.
4) I don't like that the Chin*se girl is facing b*llying. She seems like a good person. However, if she apolog*sed on behalf of the Chin*se man, or at least stopped defending his behaviour, she would receive a lot more support. This is another cultur*l difference. In UK cult*re, after making a mistake, it's expected that you take time to reflect and then apologise.
5) You say that "posting without c*ns*nt" is "wr*ng". It's not illeg*l. In out cult*re, it's a grey area, but many people think it's correct, because stopping the government ab*s*ng it's p*wer is more important that protecting an*nym*ty of people in public. I disagr*e with you, but I respect your view, and I'd ask that you also respect our view on the topic.
6) The police woman has no legal right to an*nym*ty in public.
7) I'm almost 100% certain the policewoman is not suing the pianist. Do you have any proof of that?
8) The link you posted is a sales page for a law firm, persuading viewers to use their firm and place a cla*m. Of course it's bias*d in favour of illegal*ty. It doesn't refer to any law that I can actually verify. Do you have a more reliable source? E.g. an actual LAW?
The Chinese crew were filming for CCTV in China. Dr K's audience is youtube. Since they don't allow youtube in China, being in his video would not affect their plan to keep their video a secret for their audience. As the chinese says, river water doesn't touch water in the wells. If both parties just let each other do their own stuff, they would not have been in this mess. I think what the Chinese wanted was to have the piano but they did not want to wait in line. Instead of asking polietly and directly, they went for the side ball and created this mess.
Perhaps, but I remember seeing in one of his videos that he was on the piano for 9 minutes, so perhaps they would have been better off just asking to have a go on the piano😅
@@TobyChinayou are a fake british person lol. You dont know that in st pancras station there are another pianos also just little away from the original piano spot. You don't even know the things of your own country.
Anyone know why so many videos on youTube are reverse image.
One of the worrying things about it, is looking at some comments accusing the group of being Communists, trying to impose Chinese rules in UK, whereas people in China are supporting Brendan. My wife watched it on Wechat and most comments thought it was making Chinese people lose face. I guess the same copyright laws apply in both countries. I was banned from videoing in Asda in UK and also in a supermarket in China, but not in other public spaces, in different cities.
Yes, Seems public opinion here in China is that the Chinese group are in the wrong and it is a loss of face.
@MrDaivic, The difference is that someone owns the supermarket.
In a public space no one has privacy. So no one can ask you not to use a camera there.
There are no copyright in this incident, commie!
So the rules are same in both countries.@@cwli1
@@cwli1 St Pancras has a private owner too. They could choose to self-police anti-photography rules like supermarkets do, but they don't.
Simp.
The fact that Brendan has his own channel, and of course wants as many views as possible, as ALL youtubers do, is irrelevant. You can say he was “playing to the camera” and to a degree that may be a fair comment, but you cannot fool people into ignoring what the issue actually was. The Chinese were completely out of order. I wonder what would happen if a female from the UK went to Saudi Arabia, and wore whatever she wanted, and behaved as she can in the UK. Would they accept her excuse that well this is how we do it in the UK ?…Of course not…They would tell her, as Brendan told the Chinese, that you’re not in your own country now, you abide by OUR laws. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs psychological help. I’ve seen many youtubers reacting to the video. Are they doing it and hoping they DON’T get many views ??…..You are very wrong with your assessment of this situation. But hey, it gets you a few more views right 😂
If you watched my whole video (don't blame you for skipping most of it🤣) You would have heard me say that you are free to film here in China. That was one my main points. So a lot of this makes no sense! And is why I said it seems to have been managed into a cultural/country issue when it really is not (culture/country clash gets more views?). TikTok (douyin the original version) comes from China. People are videoing each other all over the place.
@@TobyChina 👍
YOU, TH-cam are the problem, not Brendan!!! STOP attacking a fine musician and person for exercising his freedom to film and play in a public arena! He should NOT be blurring out the faces or removing the Chinese voices in the video. You should be supporting Brendan.
Well that is the whole point isn't it? This doesn't happen without youtube or social media. It does not exist, but now that it does it gives us a chance to have this discussion. You cannot have one without the other. But, we can have a rational argument on the merits (and there are certainly) and the negatives (and those exist to) of filming and recording everything and everyone.
@@TobyChina Yes, I agree.
Careful folks, there's a lot of Chinese propaganda in the comments.
wont finish this….smelled the coffee
He was clearly being antagonist , he ask if they were japanese then he starts talking about communist flag.
Imagine if he had approach a groups of jews waving an israeli flag ,asking if they were german/nazis
1:03 pause the video and you could see on the background two people..
When I saw the original video, I thought, « This is all a misunderstanding, based on language differences and poor communication » which quickly got out of hand, was blown out of all proportions and milked for all it was worth - without ever trying to think through what the real issue was.
Given that the main protagonists are all on social media, were quite happy being filmed and participating, it doesn’t make sense to think the issue is « We don’t want our faces shown ».
But consider this scenario : say I would like to film « Happy Birthday » played on the piano, as a surprise for a friend’s birthday next week. I don’t want it appearing in other videos in advance, so I ask « Please don’t film me, I want this to be an exclusive and not shown on your YT live-stream ».
Would you say, « But this is a free country, in a public space, I can film whatever I want - if you don’t like it, walk away ». Or « Sure, go ahead, I’ll have a coffe and come back when you’ve finished » ?
I'm in the go have a coffee (tea) brigade. I agree. For whatever reason {social media} it has been blown all out of proportion.
Ironically I was in a cafe earlier in the week and a woman asked everybody "I'm going to record a short video, it's only 1 minute - could you please stop talking while I film it? Thank you"
Sure, somebody could have said, "This is a free country, we're in a public space, we'll talk if we want - if you don't like it, go elsewhere" But nobody did, she recorded the video and everybody applauded her. :-) @@TobyChina
@@agerray Because she asked nicely and wasn't demanding?
its not free speech issue, its just some one accusing british man sexsual assult on camera.
💯 😂 Very good observations for both parties…there’s 1 winner > 1 loser…😅 why there was two separate video part, first part the “intro” and second part the “official”?…the first part video the “introduction” Adelina facial expression with Brendan vs the second part the “official” video…it’s a “bait”…“taunt”…there was some sort of arrangement or understanding upfront for both parties behind the scenes “cut unseen” between of the video “part one” and the “part two”…was there any malicious intents…was it supposedly “intended” and “provocative”… the piano man is being known as “crafty” and “artful”…it’s all about making a “scene” for the entertainment for LIKES and CLICKS! LOL!!! 😅😂
Bingo ! 💯
Watch the 37 sec mark of DrK full video...he hinted that something bad was happening and that he needed help !
It's a set-up by DrK against the Chinese group.
Clearly language barrier from the start but why ppl thinks just because they carry a china flag automatic they represent the CCP that just absurd and bit of ignorance. But you quite right that is confrontation does increase popularity on their channels.
That’s a good point. I’m guessing they were filming a Chinese new piece and that’s why they had the flags. It’s a bit like saying that everyone in Britain is a conservative😂
If you make a flag inspired by one political ideology, then obviously support for that flag is seen as support for that ideology. If you want people to support the flag, without political asusmptions, then make a flag that represents the country, without the party. Otherwise, please stop blaming everyone else for the misunderstanding! I will now wear a 旗袍 and shout at anyone who assumes I like Chinese culture. No! This dress has nothing to do with Chinese culture!
CHAYNA CHAYNA CHAYNA CHAYNA CHAYNA🤩
Omg
As you know things are a lot different from China and the UK where as you can film ANYWHERE public in the UK and personally if you don't want being on film then simply don't go up to the person filming and move away. That Chinese chap got a bit irate for no reason and perhaps find out a bit more about the UK laws on filming in public. Fine he could ask to delete their faces from the film but Dr K really don't have to listen to him. But where I think you are wrong is it is a freedom of speech thing as the Chinese chap obviously don't know our laws or pretended to do know but not correctly. The law states you can record anywhere in public unless it has something to do with National Security then obviously not.
Not true, anywhere in UK? Please educate yourself, some google search at least.
One point I was trying to make in the video is that you are pretty much free to film anywhere here in China as well. So i don't think this is where the difference lies. I think they had a misunderstanding of British law, but the real issue for me is: 1. Should be delete people from our videos if we can/doesn't affect the video's intended purpose? 2. Newton shouted and became aggressive which really undermined everything else.
@@Themmeee I was hoping people had a bit of common sense when I said anywhere. Obviously not MOD sites or other various sensitive sites but yes you can pretty much video ANYWHERE thats public. Plus I am educated thank you. As I have worked in various sites around the UK that you get frowned upon if you take a picture of anywhere and promptly told to delete whatever you were doing. Perhaps you need to educate yourself and look into the law of the land.
@@TobyChina Your second point absolutely spot on but on your first point its always been the case that if your in a public space you do lose that right of insisting that you don't show their face. Right or wrong everyone has a view on it but I'm in the corner of if you haven't done anything wrong whats the problem. Life is to hard as it is without worrying if you've been caught on camera or not.
Give me a break. TH-cam & Google are banned in China so the majority did nit see the uncensored Livestream. The camera does not lie. In the background we're 2 oriental looking men who could have been the Japanese crew because Brendan was told about the Japanese crew also preparing to film the piano & him. I am Chinese & I have been mistaken for Thai. You are maybe British but you may be mistaken for a European. My dad was born in Fujian & he hated the Japanese because of the atrocities committed during the WWII. ... same like the British & French hating the Germans after the war. Miss Liu went on TH-cam to play the victim & spin with so many lies I lost count. She withdrew her first video because the rest of the world could see through her lies. She works in London & was educated in an English University she is conversant in English ! You are not completely honest!
You make some good points, but if you watch the video again the English used by the group suggests that they are unable to get their point across “are we in your cameras?”
Although the group are British citizens and permanent residents, their EngliNese wasn't very good. Newton was speaking in what sounds like Chinese Metaphors lol Which made Dr K think he's an idiot.
Exactly, I don't think English was their mother Tongue. It can be really difficult to argue or just get your point across in a second language. I know that from personal experience!
@@TobyChina If a native English speaker who is not biased explained the Chinese group's NDA situation to Dr. K, there's a good chance that he would agree to censor edit his video. But it was a Live Stream so I don't think it's possible. I can see Dr. K getting sued.
@@jackmercer4244that’s a good point. And a good advert for learning English or Chinese 😂. I don’t know how the law works in terms of being sued, but I don’t think that would be a good idea for them. Public opinion seems to be supporting Dr. K
@@TobyChina Maybe we can stop him? It seems to me that he is the spawn of the devil, he has captured the minds of the British like Damien Thorn. Now we need to find the Seven Sacred Daggers of Tel Megiddo. Lord help us...
@@jackmercer4244 I disagree. In his other videos, he shows he's a bit of an anti-establishment, anarchist drama queen. He fully understood the request, and he rejected it.
You say you were surprised by the Chinese response on their social media. They got it right. It was a silly incident but definitely an aggressive CCP action. They were there to play the piano and be filmed.
How are they going to control every passers-by that takes a snap or video of them in this public space? 😮
Funny fake news and disinformation.
It was not a CPC action .
It was the action of 2 individuals...Newtown and Liu .
Only aggressive action was made by Newtown Leng .
Watch the 37 sec mark of DrK full video ...he hinted that something bad was happening and that he needed help !
It's a set-up by DrK against the Chinese group.
@@peekaboopeekaboo1165 😅🤣😂
@@trilithon108
"...Because there's lot of kind uh Surreptitious activity going on the station. I might need your help ."
DrK's own words exposed him .
This is helpful: TH-cam video titled: Why Chinese ex-pats attacked British pianist EXPLAINED. by Ally from China. The addresses dont seem to stay up.
and somehow using youtube from china??
@@albertrosich2408 She is originally from China. Not sure where she lives now. I just found it and thought it sounded helpful to understand the reactions.
You comment on filtering out people on your recordings. You do know it was a LIVE broadcast haha
Would laugh if someone in China said we are not in democratic America 🤣🤣
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The dont touch her is completely bullocks! Before this she shook his hand and they danced together.
Consensual touch is not what Mr Big Mouth was trying to imply.
I don't think it was so much a free speech issue - more of a 'how dare you' authoritarian situation. The main instigator being Leng with his duplicitous shouting diversion "don't touch her".
The original video was made in the UK, not China. Therefore UK law applies, not Chinese law.
Don't think anyone is arguing that. If you watch my video you will know people are quite free to film in China.
@@TobyChina The Chinese asked him to stop filming based on Chinese law, not UK law. The ‘rights’ they referred to are Chinese rights, not UK rights.
@@thardingau I doubt they understand UK Law. I'm not sure I fully understand it either. At the very beginning they just asked for their parts/faces to be deleted blurred. Asking is one thing, the other party agreeing is another.
@@TobyChina I’d say they demanded rather than asked.
@@TobyChinawhich is why I think that scene was staged.
Totally the wrong move to go out to try and bat in this direction, while highjacking the Dr K saga. Well done on the clicks though, you got 10 times more views than normal.......could have been 50 times more if you'd taken the moral high ground and called it for what it was......a bunch of little pinks being their normal prissy little selves.
It doesn't matter how you try to over-analyse it and make excuses for those Chinese people - Brendan was 100% right to stand up for himself and British freedoms. The Chinese were acting as entitled brats and Brendan put them in their place on British soil. End of story.
Is it just a legal thing for you? So if they were in a country that was illegal for them to film other people you would condone their actions?
@@TobyChina They launched a legal complaint, not an ethical one.
@@virginia2949Right, does seem that was due to getting nowhere with the original request. Guessing they said that out of frustration.
@@TobyChina LOL. Frustration that they could not control a public space with screaming primitive behaviour including trying to create a fake sexual assault scenario, flipping out race cards, and demanding that the peon using that public space, legally, be subjected to their imperious entitlements? They were not using any bonafide legal grounds but chose to misrepresent themselves as Chinese visitors (again a manipulation) subject to special consideration (above and beyond that of anyone else) when they were, in reality, residents of the UK and employed in the country for several years. Because of their knowledge of the culture, they know how to play the game and dealt the cards. Zero respect and zero empathy from me or anyone else I know.
Toby, why has this group of Chinese film makers gone to one of the busiest and largest international public train stations in the world to film themselves perform on and around a public piano, A place where thousands of people are randomly passing by all with video cameras in their pockets giving every one the ability to photograph or video as well as streanm live to the internet in a country where it's perfectly legal to do so if they have serious privacy concerns and do not want to be seen, filmed or photographed by anyone? Do you think they are sincerely worried that some random member of the public might capture or stream their images on the net? Bearing in mind they themselves seem to be filming events and I didn't notice them ask anyone elses permission before doing so. If indeed this is the case their stupidity and poor judgement is stagering. They could hardly of chosen a worse place to be if they want to prevent their images being anonymously captured by a passer or somone interested in a piano performance. I would guess even if Brendan had not been there there would be a high chance that somone else would likely film them if they were performing what ever it was they were planing to perform on the piano. You see Toby I don't believe they are stupid at all, and I don't think they were actually terribly concerned about their images being captured of streamed either. Plus for all the noise and fuss Mr shouty made about it I also don't believe for a second they were worried that Brendan might touch and interfere with one of the women or their flag or anything. I think they knew full well that Brendan was not being racsist, was in no way trying to offend or "antogonise" them. However they certainly did want other passers by and anybody who saw the footage to think Brendan was being difficult, racist, a letcherous dirty old man hell bent on being antogonistic. I mean It seems to of worked on you Toby, that is if you are being sincere here?
Why? Because they wanted to use the piano and Brendan was in their way. They had grown impatient and rather than simply inform Brendan they wished to use the piano and negotiate an opportunity to do so (which I am sure Brendan would of been happy to do if he clearly understood their actual intensions).They went straight to their standard CCP stratedgy - threatening legal action, trying to bully, badger and humiliate Brendan into turning his camera off and leaving. At one point the woman says straight up "we want to use the piano" and the shouty guy says "we are on a schedule" but by this point they had already escalated the situation beyond salvation with the confuseing bad faith actions of entitled bullies. So sad, could of easily been avoided with a little open honest communication and some humility.
Last thing I wish to say about your post Toby is all though Brendan K may not be an angel and have his own agenda playing up to the camera a little to suggest he was being antogonistic or intensionally provocative in this instance I believe is extremely unfair. He seems to me to be taken a back, confused and blindsided by a group of spoilt impatient thugs used to getting their own way by hook or by crook. I do not believe for a moment that he was trying to offend or upset anyone and was acting in good faith and attempted to do nothing more than stand up for himself.
Appreciate the time taken to compose that message. As I said in the video, I don't think he was "touching up the woman". I also doubt he is racist, but as i said calling people, especially Chinese people Japanese will antagonize them. I give a reason in the video for that. Also stating that "British women are more fun" is in my opinion antagonistic, or at best its just rude. I doubt he is racist but playing around with national stereotypes because of certain actions (to dance or not to dance that is the question) is risky and a poor judgment call (or a good one if you want more views) especially when you have two million plus followers. Having said all that, I doubt he is racist (I've said that three times now!), I'm just trying to respond in kind to your message and give a more balanced view. A silver lining- important topics like free speech and respect for different cultures are being discussed.
@TobyChina Thankyou Toby I appreciate your timely response to my message, it is more than I have come to expect from most. However I don't think you are quite understanding the points I am trying to make and I would very much like you to understand them because I am interested in hearing your opinion on them. I never thought you believe that Brendan is racist or lecherous at all, but I suspected you might feel the Chinese were offended and felt that Brendan was being racist and lecherous. My theory is they are not offended and do not think this man is racist and a threat in any way other than to their schedule.
I think everything the shouty guy says is just an effort to get get Brendan to piss off. Everything he says is a ruse to embarrass, frighten and humiliate Brendan into tucking his tail between his legs and scarpering so shouty guy and his entourage can shoot their segment at the piano without Brendan hovering around them, a motivation that makes perfect sense and I totally understand. It's the way he has gone about achieving this goal I object to. The privacy issues, Being mistaken for Japanese, being asked to dance, being called out for being communists, (I mean after all they are waving the Chinese Communist flag around what else is Brendan supposed to think? It was a fair comment under the circumstances if you ask me) these are all things this western educated wealthy son of some CCP party member knows he can weaponize to achieve his goal of getting Brendan to go away so he can get back on "Schedule" and shoot his segment at the piano he has been planning probably for a long time.
Because he knows western sensibilities on privacy, racism, sexual misconduct, as well as the negative stigma attached to being Chinese communist as you pointed out, and he knows how to leverage these woke sensibilities to get members of the public and the police to assist him in removing Brendan from the piano. However I don't think this guy cares less about any of it. I am certain all he cares about is getting Brendan to bugger off and he would say anything to achieve this result, that is except for "Excuse me sir we have all come here today to shoot a scripted segment at the piano, will you please move aside and give us access to it at some point soon, we are on a pressing schedule?"
Why? Because the CCP and their children don't want anyone to really know what they are actually thinking and doing and what their true objectives are, even regarding something as benign and ridiculous as this, they don't ask, they scheme, bully and intimidate then take what they want regardless of the damage to others. It’s a cultural trait present in just about all CCP endeavours, surely you know this better than anyone? Unfortunately it's these young Chinese peoples birth right. But because Brendan held his ground and the police didn’t take the CCP bait, now Mr. Shouty and his group has to double down on every lie he spun up so he doesn't lose face. Oh the poetic justice. To me this situation is interesting and absurd and the irony is at it's heart it's not really about any of the issues it purports to raise, they are all a smoke screen for the real issue, the CCP’s penchant for secrecy and deception. Bloody brilliant! You can’t make this stuff up mate.
This is why not all Chinese people but the hard core communist Chinese have that negative perception you mentioned to most of the world, a well deserved perception if you ask me and clearly on display here for the world to see.
This business about the Chinese being offended about being mistaken as Japanese. Firstly you know there was a Japanese film crew hovering around the piano close to the time of the incident right? Brendan knew they were about before he started streaming so his mistake is kind of understandable but that aside I have no doubt that some Chinese are offended to be mistaken for Japanese people, I know many years ago Japan and China were at war but besides that Why are they offended? I am Australian and from time to time I am mistaken for being from New Zealand but it’s never offended me, I guess because I think people from NZ are good people, I like them, I also have some close German friends I like them to despite my grandfather fighting them during the war. It’s often natural for people who are not familiar with Aussies and Kiwis not to know us apart. However if I did not like people from NZ or Germany and harboured a deep racial hatred for them I guess I would resent being mistaken for one or the other. Is that what is going on here? It seems to me for the Chinese to be or a least say they are triggered and offended by being mistaken as Japanese speaks more to racism towards the Japanese from the part of the Chinese? I am I missing something here? Please let me know?
Full disclosure if you hadn’t guessed I’m loving it, I like to see bullies and authoritarians fail and get their come upence and it irks me to see people cut them slack and provide cover for them. Please let me know if you think I am off the mark with my theories and all the best I hope you manage to wrangle as many likes and subscribers out of this as you can along with Brendan K and every one else that covers it. Despite being as you said something of a storm in a tea cup I agree it is an incident worthy of discussion.
@@TobyChina Toby, I would argue he is racist. By definition of Wikipedia, associated social actions of racism may include nativism, xenophobia, otherness, segregation, hierarchical ranking, supremacism, and related social phenomena. And Dr. K did show signs of the actions mentioned above during the incident.
If they were so concerned to use the piano at this station then why did they not go to one of the other pianos there. There are three of them at this station, and why was the outed spy, I believe her name is Christine Li, in the background. Was it just "coincidence" she was there. Or was it organised this way so that in China Xi can say here is another example of foreigners not liking Chinese to try and rally more support from the people. If it was it has backfired badly.
Finally a rational and cool-headed analysis of what happened
Disgusted accusations from Chinese boy, it was not true at all. Be polite and educated boy
Of all the comments this makes the least sense
Get that pianist back to his profession not in politics
Wow rare to see an intelligent take on the incident. Instead of the prevailing racists videos.
Racist 😂 he was in public he can film whatever he wants
@@TheBlegere look how he deals with a black security guard in other video. He makes fun of people's accents.
I think those chinese are paid actors hired by mr brendan or someone. You see, who gained the most from this scene?
Excellen video. Intelligent, educated, balanced and reasonable. Well done!
PS: Tip. Your subscribe link in the video description does not work.
You’re certainly a more balanced CCP shill than the others on TH-cam and I like that.
Maybe when you get your fan base and the money starts really coming in you’ll get more aggressive? :)
Ha, let’s see! Certainly would like to grow the fan base and maintain a balanced view of things!
Toby is intelligent, neutral and objective on this case.
Appreciate it😄
First of all, this was a storm in a tea cup with two parties having a pissing contest. Secondly, from a music view point, Brendan Kavanagh is a twelve bar awful musician, a street piano basher brute that can't make it with his music and seems to be wanting further his musical prowest with politics.
Thats it, it does not deserve more from me.
Back to appreciating real music and better musicians.
I thought he sounded quite good haha, but i really don't know enough about music/piano.
@@TobyChina What he plays can be easily learnt by an amateur. Just because he can sustain a rythm does not make him a good pianist and it is good music.
This storm in a tea cup isn't about his music or how good it is, which is his real flop as a musician.
If he went on "Briton's Got Talent", they would have to change the name of the show to "Briton's Has No or Lack of Talent".
@@northernsamba7388 harsh😂
He was being antagonising, why else would he ask them if they were japanese after seeing a chinese flag. He them mention communist flag, so he knew they were not japanese from the get go.
Imagine if he had approached a group of Israeli tourist calling them german, and then saying similiar things. He would be accused of antisemitism
@@kaiki8490 The most antagonistic part of Brendan is his crappy music. Which is why he cannot make a stand on his artistry.
Your take on this is obviously biased, be careful, you may destroy your own channel as Newton has! thumbs down for you!!
Thump down for you too, you're welcome
I'd love to know who you think i am being biased in favor of? I'm guessing the Chinese group, but if you watch my video I criticized Newton...
Bzzzz
He did know what he was doing, only he knows if he purposely did it, "Am I allowed?" he raised his voice and said again to his camera. LOL
Yeah, that was too easy
@@TobyChina You can tell, it's like he suddenly grasped a straw. immediately started his show
I lived with a narcissist. My stepson. I immediately saw what K was playing at. They're extremely good at frustrating you. Sending your head into a spin because they don't let you make your point. You see it started with the exclamation of, "I'm not allowed "? Then repeatedly taking over the man as he explained it was a personal request not a Chinese or cultural thing. K kept saying it was because of the flag, communism etc.
He also hides his eyes.
Thank you for a normal voice in this incident!
Oh please. Your own cultural voice isn't "normal" in a global context. The whole positive lesson that can be taken from this is that we all think differently, and our own perspectives are not objectively correct, and when we travel, we should embrace a new "normal"
Looks staged.
You mean the Chinese people are actors....? They're not.
Do you mean to say they are paid actors..?
@@ian-flanaganI think so. They speak fluent English. No average chinese can speak English that well. And even if they are really from china, it does not represent a country with a population of 1.3 billion people.
@@MichaelSmith-tf6gw The Chinese people who travel to England are not "average Chinese"; they are heavily skewed towards people who learned English. Besides they have all been identified. They are not actors. Of course they don't represent normal Chinese people. The shout man represents 富二代 who unfortunately hold most of the power.
One of the most fair analysis of this bizzare incident. Good job!
So much speculation on these Chinese people, they were falsely identified as tourists, which they were not, all three seems to have lived in UK for quite some time and hold jobs. People tried to say they are CCP members, no proof of that, (but they do hold jobs that could be funded by the Chinese governments directly or indirectly). People tried to claim Newton is a "handler" and was carrying a gun, which is hilarious. Now today, some youtuber made a wild claim that there is one lady in the background (not clear image at all) is a spy (look up Christine Lee). Kavanagh linked and mentioned that video also. And just so I don't get accused of being a commie, I am not defending the behavior of the Chinese group, I find their behavior quite bizarre.
Regarding Kavanagh, he mentioned 'this is gonna be good TV' to his friend trying to de-escalate the situation in the live stream video. He titled a recent video "Chinese Commies Go GAGA And Start A Smear Campaign", 'eyeroll'. Kavanagh has multiple videos on his channel where he has run ins with cops and security guards where he tried to instigate. He claims he made over 6 figure last year from his channel, so he knows drama gets clicks.
I think when people say CCP, they don't mean literal CCP members necessarily. For example, CCTV is a 央企 owned directly by the national government, so it's conceivable that a low level CCTV employee is working for the communist party by virtue of control. I wish such important conversations were treated with more nuance and accuracy, but when you are communicating, you need to account for "the language" of the speaker, including their inaccurate usage of certain words.
To me, it's concerning that citizenship is granted to someone with such a poor understanding of local law and culture, not to mention language. The whole "handler" nonsense sprung from her woeful inability to speak in English.
@@ian-flanagan if I prank someone at the mall for my youtube channel, can I post without permission? Kavanaugh and his camera guy pointed directly at the girl in red and tried to get her to dance for the camera, which she refused.
@@ian-flanagan Their language isn't great, but they have no problem with "local" culture. which is also supported by UK law, that using other's images for commercial purposes without permission is illegal. I hope they have enough money to hire a good lawyer.
Appreciate the comment. Some real incite as well.
@@ian-flanagan Agree with the first part of that comment. You seem to have a good understanding of China. Nuance and accuracy are really important in these situations.
Hi Toby, thank you for sharing your views. I agree with you totally. It is not an incident about freedom of speech at all. This is not the first time Dr. K did this, he has a couple other incidents with security guard before. Btw, that video got 2M views and also got him invited to TV show. He is a TH-camr, he did what he has to do to earn his money but what really annoyed me is people see him as a hero protects Britain's speech right from China. That is just ridiculous
Dr K is an instigator. He has annoyed authorities before in other videos. He thrives on the controversy.+ I'm sick of him.
To us, filming in public is important to protect from the government abusing it's powers. Without it, our democracy is more likely to turn authoritatian. Maybe you don't understand; maybe you disagree; that's ok, but it's irrelevant. I understand that the Chinese man does not know the cultural implications of his actions, but you must understand that a man from an authoritarian country, coming the the UK, and telling people to stop filming in public, is an extremely concerning situation.
Please note, British people are accustomed to combining "freedom of information" (like this situation), into the category of "freedom of speech". It doesn't really make sense, but that's the culture. Also, I don't believe Bredan's behaviour is 100% perfect, but there is not justification for that the Chinese mna did.
@ian-flanagan I have no problem with people filming in the public or try to record their own copy when talk to the authorities. The police lady asked Dr. K to stop filming by explaining to him because she doesn't want he live stream and/or post on his channel while she is doing her job. I think that is fair. Dr. K ignored her anyway and she did not force him... And for that Chinese group, I don't think their original intention was force Dr. K to stop filming or "not allow" him to film them. But you are right, I don't know what that Chinese guy was thinking after the argument turned sour...
@@mcmyeh When you inforce your legal rights (threaten legal action, call the police), only the law is relevant. To be blunt, what you consider "fair" is irrelevant. The police woman is wrong. I'm not exaggerating when I say that 100% of comments on her are negative, asking for her to be re-trained or even fired. If you listen to the male police man, he immediately says: "they can film here".
"We don't want our voice or picture being filmed. We cannot share our images online"
Very clearly, they are asking him not to film. I dont understand your claim here.
@@ian-flanagan I can't speak for them but I guess they dont want their appreance on his TH-cam channel. Same reason the police lady gave. I only have one question, you can't say no to some TH-camr is filming you in the public? Because it is in public so your conversation can be post online?
I agree with your take that Kavanagh saw the opportunity to generate views and took it. It was clear that he purposely tried to escalate things and antagonize the Chinese group by taking advantage of their weaker command of the English language. The Chinese group did not tell him not to film, they just asked politely that he not include their faces in his video. He put words in their mouths by suggesting that they mean he's not allowed to film, until he got them to agree to that. The aggressive Chinese man was in the wrong for getting so worked up, but Kavanagh could have diffused the whole situation by speaking to them off camera and explaining to them that he was doing a live stream.
Kavanagh was also being a jerk by constantly calling the Chinese flag a Communist flag, and how he referred to China to the female police officer as "fking China".
The large star in the Chinese flag represents the communist party. The smaller stars around the large star represent the people supporting the communist party. There is no Chinese-only flag. The flag of China represents the communist party and the people of China. It is a communist flag and if these people believed in their flag waving they would be proud of being CCP members.
The flag represents both the country and the party. Large star is the party and the small stars are the people supporting the large star (the party).
@@virginia2949 While that may be true, you don't refer to a country's flag by their political affiliation.
@@crystalborne8315 You do if you are in China. Chinese are taught to be proud of being communist and proud of that affiliation with the flag... to the point where the communist party is represented on the flag. It is something that they cherish - but when that narration is inconvenient, they try to turn into some pseudo-victim stance.
@@virginia2949 no, we are taught to be proud of our country and loyal to the party. We are generally happy with our government and realize the communist system is what's best for our country. It is only because of the western world viewing our system of government in a negative light, that is offensive to us.
I’m Chinese, lives in London, I understand your feeling. I’m sad as not many Chinese people see it clearly. Dr K is rude and disrespectful although the shouting man did not handle the situation well. Thanks for sharing ❤
My question is: why should a native Londoner, in London, be aware of what Chinese people consider to be rude or disrespectful? I'm a Brit, who lived in China for 12 years, so I know a little about both sides. From the average UK perspective, Dr K is not rude at all. He is slightly disrespectful *after* the Chinese people tried to stop him filming.
@@ian-flanagan Oh, he is not only aware that he was being rude, but also intentionally rude to elicit emotional responses from others, very sneaky but obvious. The young Chinese weren't quick enough to avoid falling for this. Not sure why you can't see it?
This is Not racism. I speak to all races,
If you don’t like the culture of this country
especially freedom of speech, you don’t
Need to live here, or shoot a video here.
Try Russia, Chiina, or North Korea!
I don’t like the country who has baanned gooogle and youutube for 15 years.
Can I? Is that rude?
@ zackk7175 Chinese request human right in a free country and kneel down in China for CCP’s mercy
Sometimes it is not a matter whether you criticize both sides or not, but a matter of fairness based on the evidence of the video and in a normal cultural context, i.e., if A side is predominantly wrong, then more criticism is going to be on A side. You can't arbitrarily level equal criticism to both sides and call an even distribution of the blame. Granted there are some cases in which both sides are at fault but most of the time one side bears more responsibility. You might not be aware there is another video that was taken before the incident and it shows Dr. K and the red dress shaking hands and conversing cheerfully. Supposedly, when they were aware their superior--Christine Li, a known operative for CCP in the UK appeared, the shouting guy had an about-face, and demanded their images should not appear in the videos.
I am glad to learn that you are free to do what you like in China, and obviously, you know where the red line is, and best of luck to you, mate
Appreciate the comment. I’m not sure about that woman. But you are the right, at the beginning, whether they were aware of the camera or not, it was all very friendly both DR. K and the other man were on the piano. It does seem like something/ someone happened midway through…
As soon as I see you use the word CCP I know your entire comment is not worth reading.
@@shineluvslambiel Is it not true the Chinese Communist Party is the only ruling party in China? But appreciate your empty comment. You're entitled to your opinion, of course. I guess you are the type of person who only judges the book by its cover. Kudos for you!!
@@shineluvslambiel She was named by MI5 as a spy. I'm not 100% convinced it's her in the video, but if so... how exactly can you discuss the possiblity without saying CCP...?
@@ian-flanagan I mean CIA also runs a big propaganda shop…..
华人咆哮男显然破坏了正常的交流，不知道他如此应激是基于什么原因？ 但DR.K最后利用这个交涉把一个普通的隐私权问题上升成了政治问题那就是暴露出了他对中国的刻板印象。 比如他开始问女士是中国政府不让你拍么？的时候，我就知道他也不是好鸟， 直到后来指着中国国旗说是共产主义旗帜就充分暴露出了他不过是一个充满意识形态偏见的老白男！ 华人咆哮男有错， 老白男为了流量和金钱拉扯政治，仅此而已。
对于我们来说，来自专制国家的人在公共场所阻止他人拍摄，就是政治问题。信息自由特备重要，为了阻止政府滥用权力，保护民主系统。因为我有点了解中国文化，我知道这个男子没有这个意图，但是你也得了解普通英国人的看法。
关于国旗。。。如果你想避免政治假设，你可以设计一个政治中立的旗帜，将国旗与政治意识形态分开（跟大多数国家一样）。要不然，不要把误解归咎于别人
（sorry for grammar mistakes）
种族歧视>偏见>刻板印象
有必要纠正政治正确对刻板印象的
“刻板印象”。这是人的意识做判断
的第一步。不论对错，刻板印象有
积极意义，不能全盘否定。
“共产党国家及衍生国家多是极权国家”
这是刻板印象，但是没有错，可以继续使用
尼觉得“共产党国家”是贬义词，那是尼的问题
@@zackk7175 要不你拿面英国国旗指着说这是殖民主义旗帜或者帝国主义旗帜，再或者封建君主旗帜，再问问老白男的反应试试？