Great video and really interesting location! It seems like Provia tended to overexpose; maybe 2/3rds of a stop? I think spot metering is almost a necessity with these films since the exposure latitude is so limited, but you have to love the punch they give. I've recently been projecting 35mm slide film and it's super unique.
@@FilmSupplyClub I've shot Velvia & Provia for 35 years in my work in Australia as a travel & wildlife photographer mainly in Africa & India. I also still own my Xpan as well. The key for both Velvia & Provia (& any other slide film for that matter) is to underexpose by 1/3 to 1/2 a stop (due to less exposure latitude compared to film). 1 - this allows to expose for the highlights 2 - it saturates the colours much nicer & 3 provides more crucial more shutter speed (if hand holding rather than a tripod). These 3 slide film principals are still valid today in the modern digital world which I still apply everyday with digital - I guess some things never change. Ideally, I would have shot at a different time of the day as slide film is very sensitive to light which can play havoc with the shadows. There is a big difference between the original Velvia ISO50 & the later Velvia ISO100. I'm not sure of the availability of the ISO50 these days & may not be so readily available but really ISO50 is the only Velvia worth shooting otherwise Provia is the better overall choice at ISO100. If you want to see how Velvia should really work check out legendary Australian landscape photographer Ken Duncan's early work with Velvia ISO50 & a panoramic camera, (www.kenduncan.com). Arguably one of the world's best exponents of utilising Velvia ISO50 slide film with a panoramic camera. Also Aussie Peter Lik (www.peterlik.com) who is very well known in the USA & for his $6.5 million sale of his panoramic photo "Phantom" is pretty handy with a panoramic camera & a roll of Velvia as well (his Spirit of America book was shot with Velvia). Anyways keep up the good work !
@@dbackx that’s pretty interesting, I would have thought it’s always the best choice to shoot slide film at box speed, will give it a try! Peter Lik is a Photoshop Artist though 😅
@@hollywoodheiner6028 Yes at the box "film speed" however by under exposing slightly you "buy" more crucial shutter speed (so 2 completely different things) & the bonus is this also saturates/provides richer & more pleasing colours. So basically you are "tricking" the camera's/film's settings. Velvia @ ASA50 was designed for predominantly landscape photography therefore a tripod would be necessary at slow shutter speeds. If you look at the purple/pink skyline in many of Ken Duncan's earlier landscape pics those beautiful colours that he was famous for was down to underexposing the image by 1/3 or 1/2 a stop in order to enrich the pinks & purples. Velvia really shone with the pink & purple hues in particular hence why it was such a popular film with landscape photographers. Provia is a little more versatile for general photography & at ASA100 gave a little more speed but not always enough. As transparency film only has very limited latitude to exposure (1 to 2 stops) compared to print film (4-6 stops) at the printing stage then it was very important to "get it right" in camera with transparency right from the start. I still use the same technique now with digital for every pic I take. So its no different with digital basically you are exposing for the highlights so you don't blow them out & if desired the highlights can be recovered in post easily enough. Both Velvia (more so) & Provia are both very sensitive to the sun/light so its very easy to blow the highlights completely & ruin the pic & the highlights cannot be recovered so easily if at all. Yes like most photographers these days Peter Lik is going down the "photoshop Artist" track these days but I am talking about pre-digital days when Peter Lik & Ken Duncan where at the top of the game. Check out his earlier "Sprit of America" book, also his New York, Las Vegas books & all of his earlier Australian pics....all shot with a Linhof 6x17 Panoramic film camera using Velvia ASA50....no photoshop at all in all of those pics just pure camera skill & knowhow. Likewise for Ken Duncan's stuff with his Linhoff 6x17 Panoramic camera as well. Velvia & later Provia also became the film of choice for many wildlife photographers around the world (which I am one). However Velvia's slow film speed made it difficult in low light situations & decent shutter speed is crucial with fast moving subjects like animals so again to "trick the camera" by underexposing slightly brought you more crucial shutter speed. The more saturated colours however was a personal choice & for me personally I found Velvia's colours a little too saturated for wildlife hence I preferred Provia ASA100 with more pleasing/natural colours when underexposed slightly. ASA100 gave me a little more shutter speed than Velvia as well. Provia ASA400 would be theoretically be a better choice however back in those days "grain/noise" was an issue with ASA400 hence ASA100 was better result overall. Also alot of photographers (both landscape & wildlife) would then instruct the camera store/print lab to "push process" the transparency film by 1/3 or 1/2 a stop in order to bring back the exposure & expose the roll correctly when developing the film with the 1/3 or 1/2 a stop lost when underexposing the image at the capture stage. So it was all about "tricking the camera" & then "tricking" the development process in order to get better overall results. It was a game of cat & mouse LOL !!
I've shot Velvia & Provia for 35 years in my work in Australia as a travel & wildlife photographer mainly in Africa & India. I also still own my Xpan as well. The key for both Velvia & Provia (& any other slide film for that matter) is to underexpose by 1/3 to 1/2 a stop (due to less exposure latitude compared to film). 1 - this allows to expose for the highlights 2 - it saturates the colours much nicer & 3 provides more crucial more shutter speed (if hand holding rather than a tripod). These 3 slide film principals are still valid today in the modern digital world which I still apply everyday with digital - I guess some things never change. Ideally, I would have shot at a different time of the day as slide film is very sensitive to light which can play havoc with the shadows. There is a big difference between the original Velvia ISO50 & the later Velvia ISO100. I'm not sure of the availability of the ISO50 these days & may not be so readily available but really ISO50 is the only Velvia worth shooting otherwise Provia is the better overall choice at ISO100. If you want to see how Velvia should really work check out legendary Australian landscape photographer Ken Duncan's early work with Velvia ISO50 & a panoramic camera, (www.kenduncan.com). Arguably one of the world's best exponents of utilising Velvia ISO50 slide film with a panoramic camera. Also Aussie Peter Lik (www.peterlik.com) who is very well known in the USA & for his $6.5 million sale of his panoramic photo "Phantom" is pretty handy with a panoramic camera & a roll of Velvia as well (his Spirit of America book was shot with Velvia). Anyways keep up the good work !
Love the vintage look of that contrasty saturated Velvia pictures! Reminds me of photos from these magazines and books from 80s and 90s. Gotta try it. Btw, from these videos of film photographers, it looks like USA is land of classic and abandoned cars :D So cool! Only old cars, I use to find in my country are old Praga V3S trucks, time to time...
This randomly popped up in my feed and I am so happy to see someone shoot the Salton Sea. Went there back in 2014, so eerie but yet so amazing at the same time to shoot. Nice shots and video!
This place is on my bucket list. Great set of pics. Never really been a fan of Velvia but the Provia looks great. Love to see side by sides of Provia and the new Ektachrome.
Provia and hassy did it for me! I like how you composed the two cameras differently to make the best of the images and bot just a stright up heads on comparison 👌🏼
Reversal film was s really good choice for this location. some of those scenes probably had no more than three stops between the brightest and deepest shadows. That and the desert sun blasting everything into faded pastels really pays into Velvia’s strengths. It really shows off the good tonal separation and usable saturation.
for slides, You should expose for the highlights first then calculate - if your scene is too contrasty - how much of blown-out whites do you like to have. In my opinion, the biggest advantage of slides ore colors if the exposition is correct or delicately underexposed :)
Dziękuję Bogu , że mieszkam w Europie. Wy tak naprawdę robicie foty starym mercedesom i to wasza historycvzna spuścizna ? Biedna ameryka kulturalnie i cywilazycyjnie. Provia jest bardziej subtelna.
Hah, you can see the other photographer in the background in that flat desert area setting up his own scene. Seems like a pretty popular location for photogs to go out and build scenes.
definitely a fan of the provia's neutral palette. Also; what kind of tripod head do you have attached to the pentax? Looks like it would be good for my rb67l
All good, all cool, but I just wanted to say that f8 - f11 is where any lens is at it's peak performance, going slower introduces diffraction. This ir very noticable in cheap zooms.
1. What video camera you guys using? Some kind of Canon C300 or so? [sweet shot @6:35 ] 2. Many of your 120 shots have highlights blown out a bit. How much are you overexposing your film usually? 3. Heard it's a bit dangerous health-wise to hang around the sea over there. Did you hear about that?
Heey great content here. Always super informative and fun videos from you guys. Can you tell what is the name of the first music track you used, the one with harmonica . And where can i find it? I really loved that track. Thanks for all the info and content guys. Keep up the good work!
@@aspacer photographers from the US would die to go shoot in the Netherlands. Sometimes our own backyards don't seem as appealing to us but they're always someone else's dream spot.
@@FilmSupplyClub Thats so true, since corona we make a walk every evening about 3-4 miles. Just to see the city Amsterdam where we live form another perspective. love it! To bad film and develop it is so expensive here a roll 5-10$ develop 15-20$
Salton Sea is great for photos..I actually liked it more before it became an "art scene" or however you want to describe it though. When it was just abandoned buildings frozen in time. You could still find a kitchen, for example, that had cans and boxes and things from the 80s or earlier. Now most of that is gone, replaced with graffiti and art. It's still an interesting place though.. Aside from the smell. As a side note. It would've been cool to add Kodak Ektachrome in the mix 😅
The video description talks about needing to nail the exposure to preserve detail in highlights and shadows.. but at no point did he talk about how to do that with slide film??? I'm not convinced even he knows because the exposure was mostly terrible. Even the bracketed exposures. The contrast ratio in the scene would probably not quite stack up with the films dynamic range anyway with that light IMO - first frame was good tho, looks like morning light?
Abrakadabra🤔🤔🤔 I don't know what this video is all about..Is it a comparison between the two film? in which case are the shot taken in the same conditions? Obviously not.. then what do you want to say? What is the story here? Am I missing something here?
Most of our videos are to show you different formats, different films and different cameras. Our main goal is to inspire people to want to try a format they don't usually use or try a film stock other than their go to. We do shoots and tests to give comparisons...again, hoping to inspire and sometimes educate. It's obviously not an in-depth, side by side comparison of the films
I loved your video. Very interesting to see this failed project. Good camera work. As for comparing Provia and Velvia, I learned nothing. You showed samples in a split second and also of different images, e.g. a car wreck with one film and dry soil with the other film. Don't worry, you are not the first TH-cam photographer to make these mistakes. Thanks for the beautiful documentary.
Great video and really interesting location! It seems like Provia tended to overexpose; maybe 2/3rds of a stop? I think spot metering is almost a necessity with these films since the exposure latitude is so limited, but you have to love the punch they give. I've recently been projecting 35mm slide film and it's super unique.
totally agree. Woke up at 4am to get out there and realized I left the spot meter at home.
@@FilmSupplyClub I've shot Velvia & Provia for 35 years in my work in Australia as a travel & wildlife photographer mainly in Africa & India. I also still own my Xpan as well. The key for both Velvia & Provia (& any other slide film for that matter) is to underexpose by 1/3 to 1/2 a stop (due to less exposure latitude compared to film). 1 - this allows to expose for the highlights 2 - it saturates the colours much nicer & 3 provides more crucial more shutter speed (if hand holding rather than a tripod). These 3 slide film principals are still valid today in the modern digital world which I still apply everyday with digital - I guess some things never change. Ideally, I would have shot at a different time of the day as slide film is very sensitive to light which can play havoc with the shadows. There is a big difference between the original Velvia ISO50 & the later Velvia ISO100. I'm not sure of the availability of the ISO50 these days & may not be so readily available but really ISO50 is the only Velvia worth shooting otherwise Provia is the better overall choice at ISO100. If you want to see how Velvia should really work check out legendary Australian landscape photographer Ken Duncan's early work with Velvia ISO50 & a panoramic camera, (www.kenduncan.com). Arguably one of the world's best exponents of utilising Velvia ISO50 slide film with a panoramic camera. Also Aussie Peter Lik (www.peterlik.com) who is very well known in the USA & for his $6.5 million sale of his panoramic photo "Phantom" is pretty handy with a panoramic camera & a roll of Velvia as well (his Spirit of America book was shot with Velvia). Anyways keep up the good work !
@@dbackx that’s pretty interesting, I would have thought it’s always the best choice to shoot slide film at box speed, will give it a try!
Peter Lik is a Photoshop Artist though 😅
@@hollywoodheiner6028 Yes at the box "film speed" however by under exposing slightly you "buy" more crucial shutter speed (so 2 completely different things) & the bonus is this also saturates/provides richer & more pleasing colours. So basically you are "tricking" the camera's/film's settings. Velvia @ ASA50 was designed for predominantly landscape photography therefore a tripod would be necessary at slow shutter speeds. If you look at the purple/pink skyline in many of Ken Duncan's earlier landscape pics those beautiful colours that he was famous for was down to underexposing the image by 1/3 or 1/2 a stop in order to enrich the pinks & purples. Velvia really shone with the pink & purple hues in particular hence why it was such a popular film with landscape photographers. Provia is a little more versatile for general photography & at ASA100 gave a little more speed but not always enough. As transparency film only has very limited latitude to exposure (1 to 2 stops) compared to print film (4-6 stops) at the printing stage then it was very important to "get it right" in camera with transparency right from the start. I still use the same technique now with digital for every pic I take. So its no different with digital basically you are exposing for the highlights so you don't blow them out & if desired the highlights can be recovered in post easily enough. Both Velvia (more so) & Provia are both very sensitive to the sun/light so its very easy to blow the highlights completely & ruin the pic & the highlights cannot be recovered so easily if at all. Yes like most photographers these days Peter Lik is going down the "photoshop Artist" track these days but I am talking about pre-digital days when Peter Lik & Ken Duncan where at the top of the game. Check out his earlier "Sprit of America" book, also his New York, Las Vegas books & all of his earlier Australian pics....all shot with a Linhof 6x17 Panoramic film camera using Velvia ASA50....no photoshop at all in all of those pics just pure camera skill & knowhow. Likewise for Ken Duncan's stuff with his Linhoff 6x17 Panoramic camera as well. Velvia & later Provia also became the film of choice for many wildlife photographers around the world (which I am one). However Velvia's slow film speed made it difficult in low light situations & decent shutter speed is crucial with fast moving subjects like animals so again to "trick the camera" by underexposing slightly brought you more crucial shutter speed. The more saturated colours however was a personal choice & for me personally I found Velvia's colours a little too saturated for wildlife hence I preferred Provia ASA100 with more pleasing/natural colours when underexposed slightly. ASA100 gave me a little more shutter speed than Velvia as well. Provia ASA400 would be theoretically be a better choice however back in those days "grain/noise" was an issue with ASA400 hence ASA100 was better result overall. Also alot of photographers (both landscape & wildlife) would then instruct the camera store/print lab to "push process" the transparency film by 1/3 or 1/2 a stop in order to bring back the exposure & expose the roll correctly when developing the film with the 1/3 or 1/2 a stop lost when underexposing the image at the capture stage. So it was all about "tricking the camera" & then "tricking" the development process in order to get better overall results. It was a game of cat & mouse LOL !!
@@FilmSupplyClub sunny 16?
I've shot Velvia & Provia for 35 years in my work in Australia as a travel & wildlife photographer mainly in Africa & India. I also still own my Xpan as well. The key for both Velvia & Provia (& any other slide film for that matter) is to underexpose by 1/3 to 1/2 a stop (due to less exposure latitude compared to film). 1 - this allows to expose for the highlights 2 - it saturates the colours much nicer & 3 provides more crucial more shutter speed (if hand holding rather than a tripod). These 3 slide film principals are still valid today in the modern digital world which I still apply everyday with digital - I guess some things never change. Ideally, I would have shot at a different time of the day as slide film is very sensitive to light which can play havoc with the shadows. There is a big difference between the original Velvia ISO50 & the later Velvia ISO100. I'm not sure of the availability of the ISO50 these days & may not be so readily available but really ISO50 is the only Velvia worth shooting otherwise Provia is the better overall choice at ISO100. If you want to see how Velvia should really work check out legendary Australian landscape photographer Ken Duncan's early work with Velvia ISO50 & a panoramic camera, (www.kenduncan.com). Arguably one of the world's best exponents of utilising Velvia ISO50 slide film with a panoramic camera. Also Aussie Peter Lik (www.peterlik.com) who is very well known in the USA & for his $6.5 million sale of his panoramic photo "Phantom" is pretty handy with a panoramic camera & a roll of Velvia as well (his Spirit of America book was shot with Velvia). Anyways keep up the good work !
Highlights all blown away!!
Love the vintage look of that contrasty saturated Velvia pictures! Reminds me of photos from these magazines and books from 80s and 90s. Gotta try it.
Btw, from these videos of film photographers, it looks like USA is land of classic and abandoned cars :D So cool! Only old cars, I use to find in my country are old Praga V3S trucks, time to time...
Thanks so much. And from the photos, it does look that way but this was a unique place with all those old cars in one place.
This randomly popped up in my feed and I am so happy to see someone shoot the Salton Sea. Went there back in 2014, so eerie but yet so amazing at the same time to shoot. Nice shots and video!
What a great location assignment. Love the results.
This place is on my bucket list. Great set of pics. Never really been a fan of Velvia but the Provia looks great. Love to see side by sides of Provia and the new Ektachrome.
It's a cool spot for sure. Keep it on the list! And yeah, that would be a good test, those two films are more similar.
this place looks like a photographers paradise!
Love this video! Great location, music, pictures...I am always happy when there is a new video from you ✌🏻
Thanks tons and so glad to hear that!
Provia and hassy did it for me! I like how you composed the two cameras differently to make the best of the images and bot just a stright up heads on comparison 👌🏼
Reversal film was s really good choice for this location. some of those scenes probably had no more than three stops between the brightest and deepest shadows. That and the desert sun blasting everything into faded pastels really pays into Velvia’s strengths. It really shows off the good tonal separation and usable saturation.
Lovely video and such a cool intro!
Thanks so much!
Provia is really great for long exposure night shots, I love the colours especially artificial light stuff or star trails.
I loved this video! The cinematography was fantastic. Really appreciate what you guy's are doing
Thanks so much!
that location is so rad. great vid. specially in the ocean shots i definitely prefer velvia.
Thanks tons. The velvia definitely has more saturation. Not as good with high contrast but a beautiful film for sure.
I didn't know Ryan Reynolds was so into photography! Lol! Good work, new sub!
Another banger video! Keep em coming
Thanks tons Clifton! More coming and already on tap.
Seems to me these films would benefit from slight underexposure, especially in those desert conditions.
for slides, You should expose for the highlights first then calculate - if your scene is too contrasty - how much of blown-out whites do you like to have. In my opinion, the biggest advantage of slides ore colors if the exposition is correct or delicately underexposed :)
Dziękuję Bogu , że mieszkam w Europie. Wy tak naprawdę robicie foty starym mercedesom i to wasza historycvzna spuścizna ? Biedna ameryka kulturalnie i cywilazycyjnie. Provia jest bardziej subtelna.
Hah, you can see the other photographer in the background in that flat desert area setting up his own scene. Seems like a pretty popular location for photogs to go out and build scenes.
for sure. Definitely a destination for photographers.
Provia!
For this situation, we agree. It's definitely more neutral.
definitely a fan of the provia's neutral palette. Also; what kind of tripod head do you have attached to the pentax? Looks like it would be good for my rb67l
All good, all cool, but I just wanted to say that f8 - f11 is where any lens is at it's peak performance, going slower introduces diffraction. This ir very noticable in cheap zooms.
1. What video camera you guys using? Some kind of Canon C300 or so? [sweet shot @6:35 ]
2. Many of your 120 shots have highlights blown out a bit. How much are you overexposing your film usually?
3. Heard it's a bit dangerous health-wise to hang around the sea over there. Did you hear about that?
Heey great content here. Always super informative and fun videos from you guys. Can you tell what is the name of the first music track you used, the one with harmonica . And where can i find it? I really loved that track. Thanks for all the info and content guys. Keep up the good work!
I been there so many times. I just live in San Diego so it’s not to for from me
So close from San Diego.
Awesome video's, to bad I don't live in the us!
Honestly, a lot of us don't want to be here anymore so take that how you want to.
@@AshtewanPhotoVideo The Netherlands are the same, except we don't have to choose our president at the moment!
@@aspacer photographers from the US would die to go shoot in the Netherlands. Sometimes our own backyards don't seem as appealing to us but they're always someone else's dream spot.
@@FilmSupplyClub Thats so true, since corona we make a walk every evening about 3-4 miles. Just to see the city Amsterdam where we live form another perspective. love it! To bad film and develop it is so expensive here a roll 5-10$ develop 15-20$
Import Trump!
Try Velvia 50, it's loads better than 100.
Salton Sea is great for photos..I actually liked it more before it became an "art scene" or however you want to describe it though. When it was just abandoned buildings frozen in time. You could still find a kitchen, for example, that had cans and boxes and things from the 80s or earlier. Now most of that is gone, replaced with graffiti and art. It's still an interesting place though.. Aside from the smell.
As a side note. It would've been cool to add Kodak Ektachrome in the mix 😅
Such a great location. The films are not so great too many color shifts.
Definitely not a film that works well with high contrast scenes.
The video description talks about needing to nail the exposure to preserve detail in highlights and shadows.. but at no point did he talk about how to do that with slide film???
I'm not convinced even he knows because the exposure was mostly terrible. Even the bracketed exposures. The contrast ratio in the scene would probably not quite stack up with the films dynamic range anyway with that light IMO - first frame was good tho, looks like morning light?
Isn't the photo at 8:11 Velvia?
Abrakadabra🤔🤔🤔 I don't know what this video is all about..Is it a comparison between the two film? in which case are the shot taken in the same conditions? Obviously not.. then what do you want to say? What is the story here? Am I missing something here?
Most of our videos are to show you different formats, different films and different cameras. Our main goal is to inspire people to want to try a format they don't usually use or try a film stock other than their go to. We do shoots and tests to give comparisons...again, hoping to inspire and sometimes educate. It's obviously not an in-depth, side by side comparison of the films
they should've called velvia magenta.
dude just shot film in los santos
I loved your video. Very interesting to see this failed project. Good camera work. As for comparing Provia and Velvia, I learned nothing. You showed samples in a split second and also of different images, e.g. a car wreck with one film and dry soil with the other film.
Don't worry, you are not the first TH-cam photographer to make these mistakes. Thanks for the beautiful documentary.
I liked the video, but the examples were too short flashes for me to tell the differences
Noted. Thanks for letting us know. Hard to walk the balance of keeping the video interesting visually, not too long but also informative.
Vedio is much better than his photos
How stupid - you don’t take identical side by side pictures with similar cameras using different film - no way to compare!
Horrible results. You need a nd grad