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I had no clue in 6 years of playing trombone and bass tb that what my wind ensemble always called the ‘peashooter’ is also called a straight trombone. We always referred to the f attachment or trigger trombones as just that, so it may just be a slight regional/ dialect/ politicly correct thing (I live in Texas btw). You learn something new every day!
Played "professionally" for 36 years back in the day. I played symphonic, pit orchestras, jazz, and show bands. I only used two trombones and 3 mouthpieces in all those years. If I was to play strictly bass trombone, I used a King Duo Gravis (6B) with a Bach 1.5G mouthpiece. If I had to play both high and low registers in the gig, I used the King Duo Gravis with a Bach 4G mouthpiece. If it was a gig that required lead work, I used an old Olds Recording trombone and a Bach 7C mouthpiece.
As a bass trombonist (been playing trombone for 10 years 7 of them on bass trombone) I absolutely love every chance I get to play in the pedal ranges and play loud as hell I.E bruckner 7 opening or bruckner 7 finale movement or Shostakovich 7 love from Sweden
I play the trumpet. Even so, your playing was all the more impressive! Extremely satisfying and inspiring! There are still a few that care about sound and not just facility. With the advent of Marsalis-type virtuosity, most of my instrument’s practitioners have seemingly forgotten the raison d’tre of these instruments: to wit, richness and beauty of sound as well as dynamic amplitude, lately exemplified by Adolph Herseth and to a somewhat lesser extent by Phil Smith. Thank you. I appreciate your efforts!
I played trombone in high school back in the early 70's. We all played the straight tenor (except the guy who had a valve trombone). I had never seen a base trombone or a "symphonic tenor". Very interesting.
Great interpretation on everything! I do believe that Schumann had the alto trombone in mind on his symphonies? Perhaps F Schubert as well? Also perhaps Berlioz wrote for the alto in Symphonie Fantastique? Haydn challenged the bass trombone to play like a brass cello in “Die Schopfung” and you accepted and mastered the challenge!
You are 100% correct on Schumann and Schubert! Symphonie Fantastique was indeed written for the alto trombone if you go off of the part, but the sound doesn’t fit well so it is played on tenor :)
Claiming this is the full range of trombones is under selling the instrument. My dad owns a Bb soprano trombone which is the same pitch as a Bb trumpet, there is no 7th position on the slide. Also there is the F contrabass trombone which usually has a double trigger, and the even lower (and rarely used these days) Bb contrabass trombone with the double stack slide and normally has a single trigger.
This is the full range of standard trombones. Of course contrabass is called for occasionally in orchestra, but it is very rare. I know of no orchestral piece that calls for anything higher than an alto.
absolutely glorious! I play on a 525 medium bore horn. I really wanna get a large bore or bass trombone one day! alto horns are pretty fun and the little soprano trombones are adorable! 😆 great stuff! 😁👍🏻
What brand/model trombone stands are those? I’m actively looking for substantial stands such as those for all my horns. I really like these. After decades of using Hamilton stands, I’m ready to make a wholesale change to this double-leg cymbal-style design. Please, brand/model??
"Symphonic tenor" is a bit off his F attachment horn is a large bore I have always heard that term attached to medium bore horns like the Bach 36b (.525) or the Conn 79H (.522) and I would not call a 8H a "smaller" horn it's large bore horn (.547). When you say smaller horn for Jazz my mind goes to a King 3B (.508).
Atlanta Symphony Orchestra There are Soprano Trombones too & they speak the same pitch as a Trumpet. Valve Trombones are easier to play in Tune cause you don't have to move the slide.
No no, valve trombones are easier to approximate pitch like other valved instruments. Don't think you are in tune just because you have the correct valves pushed down. This is actually the strength of having a slide. This is why you'll see high level brass musicians who have valved instruments using finger/thumb triggers to manipulate tuning slides or in the case of tubas, literally pulling them in and out.
@@lindsaygibson2142 They've since made Valve Slide Trigger Attachments for Valve Trombones & Tubas. Plus a Compensating valve system to work around this.
His F attachment horn appears to be a Conn 88H with an open wrap and Thayer valve, which is supposed to minimize effects of sharp turns in the valve. This horn has the same bore as the current configuration of the Conn 8H, but the tone was a little lighter on that horn when he played Bolero. Did the 8H have a different bore back in the '30's, or is he using a different mouthpiece? I all sounds great!
I learned recently that Toby Oft of the Boston Symphony and Nathan Zgonc often competed against each other in high school solo contests. For two years, Nathan won the Oregon state championship for solo trombone, and Toby finished second. After Nathan graduated, Toby won the next two state championships.
Wow! Great video! Three questions: Didn't Wagner orchestrate for something called a "Contrabass Trombone" in his Ring? What is that? I thought there was an instrument called a "Valve Trombone". Is there? Is the embouchure similar enough on Bass and Tenor Trombones that a player can comfortably move from one to the other? Thanks!
1: The Contrabass Trombone is the natural extension of the Bass Trombone--It uses either a bass bone or tuba mouthpiece and comes in two forms: an F version and a Bb version. The F version is half an octave lower than a Bass Trombone whereas the Bb version has the same amount of tubing as a Tuba and usually double wraps the slide. It's around in most of the really big late romantic German works, although some people just play the parts on Bass Bone. 2-Valve Trombone is literally just a straight trombone with valves instead of a slide. It's mostly just used for some jazz players or trumpet/euph people who wanna play trombone in informal settings. Functionally the same as a bass trumpet and kinda a silly instrument for the most part. 3-Bass and Tenor mouthpieces are quite different. However, they're not so different that you don't translate range from one to the other. Basically all Bass Bones know Tenor well and most Tenors can at least reasonably play Bass (at least orchestral ones)
@@vasukushalnagar4087 I believe the valve trombone may have been used in 19th century Italian opera orchestras, which may have made some of the awkward passages in "La Forza del Destino" overture a little easier.
Wich trombone would you recommand for military marching band fanfare (Imperial British, german and french music) ? I would assume Tenor would be my best bet but the Bass Trombone sounds great also. On the same note, can the bass trombone still play mid/high range melody just as good as the tenor or is it mostly limited to playing the bass part ? I would be interested in a versatile trombone that can play both the melody, accompaniement and bass part.
It must be very confusing to other trombone players when they see that you are in first position but you sound like you’re in seventh… they probably think you’re a God… until you tell them you are just cheating lol.
correction: there are some non-symphonic tenor trombones on the market that have a valve in F like most symphonic tenors the best example of this is the King 3BF and not all symphonic tenors have a valve in F the best examples of this are the Conn 8H and the straight Bach 42 and not all bass trombones have 2 valves, some have only 1 like most symphonic tenor trombones. some examples of this are the Bach 50B with a single valve and the Conn 72H
This bass trombone has two valves. I assume one lowers a Bb down to an F...but what does the other one do? Also, which one is operated by the thumb and which by the index finger? (I just obtained a Yamaha YBL-321 which has only one trigger.)
With the 8H having the same bore as your Shires it's not not a symphonic trombone. It's just a straight symphonic. The sound is very, very close to the 88H which is the classic symphonic. You'd need to go to a .525 or a .5 bore to be strictly non (modern) symphonic. Convince me I'm wrong.
Yes it is an old Yamaha slide due to the inner brace and slide ring lock . Conn never silver solder braces to the slide barrels. It was soft solder with brace flanges. This old repair technician has eagle eyes on stuff like this.
Trying to figure out what sort of hand brace that is on his symphonic tenor (around 2:00). It doesn't look like the neotech strap, or any of the other braces I'm familiar with. Anyone know?
Does anyone know where to find those handle things that he has on, I have some serious carpel tunnel from playing for so long and would love something to relieve all that pain.
Because that wasn't the style in 1938. Instead they made them with a tighter curve at the back, which means they got a tiny bit longer, and that moved the weight balance back.
yes but the soprano trombone is mostly useless because of trumpets cornets flugelhorns having the same pitch. and piccolo trombones from what I know are REALLY useless and mostly a gimmick
Hey, what's the difference between a trombonist lying dead in the road, and a frog lying dead in the road? There's a chance the frog was going to a gig.
Potentially controversial opinion: Bolero should always be played on a straight horn. If I recall correctly, Ravel was heavily inspired by jazz tonality when he wrote it.
Two things stated here are incorrect.....The Alto Trombone is not the smallest. The Soprano Trombone is and the bass trombone is not the biggest, the Conta Bass Trombone is. Still a very good video though.
That showcased a lot of skills in trombone playing, but 16-notes do not mean "play as fast as you can" (Blue Bells). Just making organic, beautiful music would be more impressive
No offense to this dude I don’t know what the rules of this band are, but you can play an F on the same position as a B on the straight trombone you don’t need the trigger
@@thehybridhimself22 oh ok thanks I didn’t know that I don’t know if I said this, but I’m still only in my second year of playing the trombone so I don’t know everything
There are flaws in every live performance, even at the very highest level (like this). Commercial recordings are an inaccurate representation of what live music sounds like.
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Can we all appreciate the steam coming out his bell on the pedal g in bluebells 😂
It seems really cold, there is moisture on the outside of the bell as well...
Must be cold in there
Condensation, not steam. Steam is water at 100 degrees C.
@@ktang001 Are you suggesting that he isn’t god-tier enough to play at 212° F? 😂 jk thank you for the correction
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I stupidly lost the account password. I would love any assistance you can give me.
First time I’ve ever seen steam coming out of a trombone bell like that. Awesome flow!
Water at 100 degrees? You mean condensation
@@charliewhelan9488 🤓
Thayer valves are just that good I guess. 😁
“Smallest of all trombones”
Piccolo and soprano trombones: Am I a joke to you
Me to piccolo: *Always have been*
Yeah Soprano has its place in jazz. Piccolo has its place as a joke
I had no clue in 6 years of playing trombone and bass tb that what my wind ensemble always called the ‘peashooter’ is also called a straight trombone. We always referred to the f attachment or trigger trombones as just that, so it may just be a slight regional/ dialect/ politicly correct thing (I live in Texas btw). You learn something new every day!
5th year Low brass section leader and your nomenclature is why we use in georgia
Nomenclature can also been found in NYC!
Yo same bro. I’m on my fifth year of playing trombone and I have also never heard of a straight trombone
7 years of playing multiple brass instruments and I call straight trombones peashooters as well and trigger trombones just triggers or tenors
6 years of playing trombone and bass trombone and I call a “straight” trombone just a “regular” trombone
As a percussionist, i loved this educational video. Makes me appreciate even more those funny sliding horns in front of me ;)
You sir are amazing
Bass trombone for the win. Beautiful playing
Played "professionally" for 36 years back in the day. I played symphonic, pit orchestras, jazz, and show bands. I only used two trombones and 3 mouthpieces in all those years. If I was to play strictly bass trombone, I used a King Duo Gravis (6B) with a Bach 1.5G mouthpiece. If I had to play both high and low registers in the gig, I used the King Duo Gravis with a Bach 4G mouthpiece. If it was a gig that required lead work, I used an old Olds Recording trombone and a Bach 7C mouthpiece.
Blueballs of Scotland is such a classic. There is so much built up tension that needs releasing, great job.
Did you just…
As a bass trombonist (been playing trombone for 10 years 7 of them on bass trombone)
I absolutely love every chance I get to play in the pedal ranges and play loud as hell I.E bruckner 7 opening or bruckner 7 finale movement or Shostakovich 7
love from Sweden
I play the trumpet. Even so, your playing was all the more impressive! Extremely satisfying and inspiring! There are still a few that care about sound and not just facility. With the advent of Marsalis-type virtuosity, most of my instrument’s practitioners have seemingly forgotten the raison d’tre of these instruments: to wit, richness and beauty of sound as well as dynamic amplitude, lately exemplified by Adolph Herseth and to a somewhat lesser extent by Phil Smith. Thank you. I appreciate your efforts!
One of the best presentation of the family of trombones! Keep going! Pls, make another one with more details!
Marvelous playing of course, but I was particularly enchanted by the alto trombone
You should look up the piccolo trombone! Contrabass trombone is very interesting too since they double the slide tubing
0:37 Nate's Dragabone fire breathing
Seriously are they filming in the walk in freezer?
I played trombone in high school back in the early 70's. We all played the straight tenor (except the guy who had a valve trombone). I had never seen a base trombone or a "symphonic tenor". Very interesting.
Nathan is a phenomenal trombonist! Thank you so much for this information.
what a great sound
Great interpretation on everything! I do believe that Schumann had the alto trombone in mind on his symphonies? Perhaps F Schubert as well? Also perhaps Berlioz wrote for the alto in Symphonie Fantastique? Haydn challenged the bass trombone to play like a brass cello in “Die Schopfung” and you accepted and mastered the challenge!
You are 100% correct on Schumann and Schubert! Symphonie Fantastique was indeed written for the alto trombone if you go off of the part, but the sound doesn’t fit well so it is played on tenor :)
Wow the Blue bells of Scotland what a nice delivery... please recommend me a solo trombone piece to perform next year in our music festivals
Look up “Swiss Army Knife” in the dictionary and you find an image of this guy. This guy can play all of those horns as well as any other he has. Wow!
Trombones are not horns...
ok
@@itznoxy7193 then what are they bozo
@@eboone Trombones? lol.
Trombone means big trumpet in Italian. They are from the trumpet family. Forward facing bells, cup mouth pieces, cylindrical bore, etc.
Claiming this is the full range of trombones is under selling the instrument. My dad owns a Bb soprano trombone which is the same pitch as a Bb trumpet, there is no 7th position on the slide. Also there is the F contrabass trombone which usually has a double trigger, and the even lower (and rarely used these days) Bb contrabass trombone with the double stack slide and normally has a single trigger.
This is the full range of standard trombones. Of course contrabass is called for occasionally in orchestra, but it is very rare. I know of no orchestral piece that calls for anything higher than an alto.
absolutely glorious! I play on a 525 medium bore horn. I really wanna get a large bore or bass trombone one day! alto horns are pretty fun and the little soprano trombones are adorable! 😆 great stuff! 😁👍🏻
Great playing! I personally liked the bolero better on the Conn.
Awesome video, Id love to see you play some contrabass.
What brand/model trombone stands are those? I’m actively looking for substantial stands such as those for all my horns. I really like these. After decades of using Hamilton stands, I’m ready to make a wholesale change to this double-leg cymbal-style design. Please, brand/model??
I would love to see the contrabass trombone as well. Thank you for the video!
Me also as a trombone player, I really like this video!
"Symphonic tenor" is a bit off his F attachment horn is a large bore I have always heard that term attached to medium bore horns like the Bach 36b (.525) or the Conn 79H (.522) and I would not call a 8H a "smaller" horn it's large bore horn (.547). When you say smaller horn for Jazz my mind goes to a King 3B (.508).
Excellent video demonstration by superb trombone master!
Atlanta Symphony Orchestra
There are Soprano Trombones too & they speak the same pitch as a Trumpet. Valve Trombones are easier to play in Tune cause you don't have to move the slide.
No no, valve trombones are easier to approximate pitch like other valved instruments. Don't think you are in tune just because you have the correct valves pushed down. This is actually the strength of having a slide. This is why you'll see high level brass musicians who have valved instruments using finger/thumb triggers to manipulate tuning slides or in the case of tubas, literally pulling them in and out.
@@lindsaygibson2142 They've since made Valve Slide Trigger Attachments for Valve Trombones & Tubas. Plus a Compensating valve system to work around this.
@@lindsaygibson2142 Valve Trombones are great for Marching Band cause then you don't have to worry about breaking your slide.
The best bass trombone solo is the coda of Shostakovich symphony 6 imo
Fly or die is the most difficult one I’ve ever heard. Not necessarily my favorite sounding but absolutely insane.
Fabulous playing!
His F attachment horn appears to be a Conn 88H with an open wrap and Thayer valve, which is supposed to minimize effects of sharp turns in the valve. This horn has the same bore as the current configuration of the Conn 8H, but the tone was a little lighter on that horn when he played Bolero. Did the 8H have a different bore back in the '30's, or is he using a different mouthpiece? I all sounds great!
Enjoyed it very much
This guy is good
I learned recently that Toby Oft of the Boston Symphony and Nathan Zgonc often competed against each other in high school solo contests. For two years, Nathan won the Oregon state championship for solo trombone, and Toby finished second. After Nathan graduated, Toby won the next two state championships.
Wonderful demonstration!
This guy puts my 5 years of experience to shame
The Conn 88 rules!
😀
Bolero sounded so pure on the Straight Conn
What a well made video. Great in so many ways! Thank you!
great video but you're still missing the Soprano and the Contrabass, which I think are worth mentioning and also very cool
Wow! Great video! Three questions:
Didn't Wagner orchestrate for something called a "Contrabass Trombone" in his Ring? What is that?
I thought there was an instrument called a "Valve Trombone". Is there?
Is the embouchure similar enough on Bass and Tenor Trombones that a player can comfortably move from one to the other?
Thanks!
1: The Contrabass Trombone is the natural extension of the Bass Trombone--It uses either a bass bone or tuba mouthpiece and comes in two forms: an F version and a Bb version. The F version is half an octave lower than a Bass Trombone whereas the Bb version has the same amount of tubing as a Tuba and usually double wraps the slide. It's around in most of the really big late romantic German works, although some people just play the parts on Bass Bone.
2-Valve Trombone is literally just a straight trombone with valves instead of a slide. It's mostly just used for some jazz players or trumpet/euph people who wanna play trombone in informal settings. Functionally the same as a bass trumpet and kinda a silly instrument for the most part.
3-Bass and Tenor mouthpieces are quite different. However, they're not so different that you don't translate range from one to the other. Basically all Bass Bones know Tenor well and most Tenors can at least reasonably play Bass (at least orchestral ones)
@@vasukushalnagar4087 I believe the valve trombone may have been used in 19th century Italian opera orchestras, which may have made some of the awkward passages in "La Forza del Destino" overture a little easier.
What’s the makes and models of all the trombones and what mouthpieces is he using?
His tenor and bass are both Shires, his Straight tenor is a Conn 8H, and his alto looked like a thein
His mouthpiece on his large tenor looks like a lightweight Greg Black, don’t quote me on that tho
0:37 Bro took "playing with warm air is good" way too seriously
Wich trombone would you recommand for military marching band fanfare (Imperial British, german and french music) ? I would assume Tenor would be my best bet but the Bass Trombone sounds great also. On the same note, can the bass trombone still play mid/high range melody just as good as the tenor or is it mostly limited to playing the bass part ? I would be interested in a versatile trombone that can play both the melody, accompaniement and bass part.
Bassbone gang 😤
I bet the Atlanta symphonie gave him a looker room AND HE has like a army of other brass ie valves , etc. To show and demonstrate for us thanks .
Very educational video. Alto sounds like trumpet!
It must be very confusing to other trombone players when they see that you are in first position but you sound like you’re in seventh… they probably think you’re a God… until you tell them you are just cheating lol.
correction: there are some non-symphonic tenor trombones on the market that have a valve in F like most symphonic tenors
the best example of this is the King 3BF
and not all symphonic tenors have a valve in F
the best examples of this are the Conn 8H
and the straight Bach 42
and not all bass trombones have 2 valves, some have only 1 like most symphonic tenor trombones.
some examples of this are
the Bach 50B with a single valve
and the Conn 72H
That opening really made me think he was gonna play the firebird horn solo 0:00
I thought that a Conn 8h was just an 88H with out the F attachment. A .547 large bore tenor.
Great video!
3:09
It's a Canon event bro.
This bass trombone has two valves. I assume one lowers a Bb down to an F...but what does the other one do? Also, which one is operated by the thumb and which by the index finger? (I just obtained a Yamaha YBL-321 which has only one trigger.)
The second valve is usually tuned to D or Eb. Some horns work in combination with the F attachment - others operate independently.
9:34 I can’t stop listening:))
With the 8H having the same bore as your Shires it's not not a symphonic trombone. It's just a straight symphonic. The sound is very, very close to the 88H which is the classic symphonic. You'd need to go to a .525 or a .5 bore to be strictly non (modern) symphonic. Convince me I'm wrong.
I miss playig in an orchestra.
Thanks brother your the best
I have a Yahama straight tenor for now
Is that a Yamaha slide on the 8H??????......
スライドもヤマハの昔の品番でしょうか？
Yes it is an old Yamaha slide due to the inner brace and slide ring lock . Conn never silver solder braces to the slide barrels. It was soft solder with brace flanges. This old repair technician has eagle eyes on stuff like this.
Is that a Neotech grip he's using?
"I didnt move the slide but I have a foirth difference..." my guy, F is the fifth, starting from Bb, which you were. If not, can someone explain?
It's an F below the Bb. Bb to F going up is a fifth, Bb to F going down is a fourth
Anybody know the model for the bass trombone?
Trying to figure out what sort of hand brace that is on his symphonic tenor (around 2:00). It doesn't look like the neotech strap, or any of the other braces I'm familiar with. Anyone know?
It’s called a get a grip or maybe he custom ordered it from calderpip grips. Hope it helps!
Does anyone know where to find those handle things that he has on, I have some serious carpel tunnel from playing for so long and would love something to relieve all that pain.
Тема тромбона-пикколо, тромбона-сопрано, контрабасового тромбона не раскрыта!
Are you using a Yamaha slide on that 8H? It looks different than my 88H slide.
maybe due to the vintage? I think the added the spring loaded barrel later.
Model of the symphonic trombon?
Can you tell me the name of the piece performed by a large brass section that sounds like alien spaceships? This exists somewhere.
why was there no counterweight on the tenor without the f trigger?
not all straight horns have one
Because that wasn't the style in 1938. Instead they made them with a tighter curve at the back, which means they got a tiny bit longer, and that moved the weight balance back.
00:35 Literally had steam come out...
0:37 pedal note so fat the horn starts fuming up
8:06 i thought it was the piccolo trombone
Nice Bolero Carole
The alto is not the smallest the Suprano and piccolo trombones are smaller
yes but the soprano trombone is mostly useless because of trumpets cornets flugelhorns having the same pitch.
and piccolo trombones from what I know are REALLY useless and mostly a gimmick
His focus is what is commonly found in the orchestra. Sop and pic trombones basically only live in the wild in Moravian trombone choirs.
@@andrewlee4353 Except piccolo flute, clarinet, or trumpet?
Hey, what's the difference between a trombonist lying dead in the road, and a frog lying dead in the road?
There's a chance the frog was going to a gig.
Potentially controversial opinion: Bolero should always be played on a straight horn. If I recall correctly, Ravel was heavily inspired by jazz tonality when he wrote it.
The only instrument that is closest to the human voice.
Thanks watch out he starts taking sexy when he goes for the bass bone.
The alto isn’t the smallest lol I have a soprano and piccolo trombone In my possession
Not used in orchestra
You forgot the contra bass trombone
Just get a tuba! lol
@@bobboscarato1313 I agree with you but it’s still the other end of the line.
Dude I use a symphonic tenor on first this is so weird
Two things stated here are incorrect.....The Alto Trombone is not the smallest. The Soprano Trombone is and the bass trombone is not the biggest, the Conta Bass Trombone is. Still a very good video though.
he meant biggest and smallest used in orchestra
@@jeremysolomon2686 contras do occasionally get used, as do cimbassi
@@wt4629 Cimbasso gets used on movie scores a lot, despite the fact that there are only half a dozen or so working instruments in North America.
Cool nonetheless
No contrabass trombone? Damn. Lol
Kinda sounds like Tom Segura
"Bolero", prefer the straight instrument.
Yeah. 99% of trombones have some sorta slide. Except for the valve.
Get back to me w/ a contrabass trombone then we’ll talk my dude.
That showcased a lot of skills in trombone playing, but 16-notes do not mean "play as fast as you can" (Blue Bells). Just making organic, beautiful music would be more impressive
No offense to this dude I don’t know what the rules of this band are, but you can play an F on the same position as a B on the straight trombone you don’t need the trigger
The lower F right below the staff is in 6th position. That's why he said you can use the trigger to play it
@@thehybridhimself22 oh ok thanks I didn’t know that I don’t know if I said this, but I’m still only in my second year of playing the trombone so I don’t know everything
@@danahuber2461 no worries. Happy to help
i met this guy, a great player but kinda full of himself
Some intonation problems here.
Plus some attacks are crude.
This ain’t a performance or audition. Just a basic demonstration of each instrument.
A critic in every crowd…
There are flaws in every live performance, even at the very highest level (like this). Commercial recordings are an inaccurate representation of what live music sounds like.
Yeah he flubbed a fair amount of notes. Surprising for this calibre.
Very much looking forward to hearing your next virtuoso demonstration mr critic!