I will be enjoying the pyromancer changes. I found the class fun to begin with, but having these options for talents is really great, since before now volans doctrine was a must pick.
Don't sell yourself short at the end of this, friend! It was great! Production values weren't lacking, but more to the point, you got this useful info out there, in a clear and informative way, with a bit of personality too - it's appreciated!
Just found out with some testing that Trollhammer Torpedo with Ingenious Ordnance still does friendly fire. Now the Explosive part of the shot won't but the projectile will do massive friendly fire. Another thing I also noticed with the Trollhammer Torpedo is its behaving as though Armour Piercing Slugs selected when its not. Allowing for the Torpedo to pierce through multiple targets for good to massive damage, to then hit either another target or the ground for the explosion.
I'm glad to know this wasn't just me. Messed with changes, then pulled out to shoot my trollhammer because why not, and then started second guessing myself about how it worked.
I think they forgot to change the Gromril-Plated Shot. It's still only doing 40 damage a shot with a mag capacity of 30 rounds. Feels pretty useless when you could have like 120 rounds of 21 damage with Innovative Ammo Hoppers. Armour isn't nearly common enough to really justify Gromril when you could just pull out a pistol to deal with it, or even one of your bombs now. Had they removed the reduction in mag capacity from picking it, it woulda been a diffrent story though. You get 80 rounds in your mag standard after all, so tossing that down to a mere 30 rounds? Why would you ever wanna do that when you got so many ways to deal with armour? Besides, it's not exactly the most accurate of weapons, so missing a shot really sucks when you only got 30 to work with immediately
@@icata12345 Yeah but I just want the AOE back not necessarily how OP it was just the explosion they can nerf the DOT if they want I just need my magic exploding arrow back
moonbow and javelin, two of the best ranged weapon lost in history, goddamn fatshark, i paid for fun not shitting myself for some so call "balance", nobody uses moonbow anymore, its a shame.
@@ThatRandomDude204 i do agree nerfing it but tuned in at a right amount, not like this. The javelin's damage threshold is really bad at the current stage, i mean there is nothing that it is good at tbh, you could even do better with other "average" range weapons.
@@HeroOfTheWeb eh....give it a few more years and that may be true. Currently? VT2 is still miles better until they start patching up and giving contents to Darktide.
As a warrior priest main, prayer of vengeance was a really really really bad talent, never picked in any of my builds because of how garbage it was, so im glad they changed it to something more meaningful, especially now that the boss killer careers have been nerfed. In twitch and chaos wastes is gonna be a really useful pick.
Prayer of Vengeance was my favorite on the line if there were crit players on the team. If I had a Shade and a Pyro both running Daggers or the Shade running any Finesse weapon, they could get a lot of work done with Prayer of Vengeance. For me, this is a hard nerf for Vengeance because no matter who you play, over the course of the run, you *will* throw crits. In the base game, you will not always encounter a monster. This pick for me restricted the talent pick for something like Twitch 200% and up, because even on a Cata Deed (my favorite way to play), there's not guarantee you'll encounter a monster. Even as a monster slaying talent now, the boss damage classes almost all have access to guaranteed crits, and running the right weapons 35% Crit Power > 25% PvM.
Disappointed that Repeater Pistols are still trash, and they didn't give Throwing Axes their own melee attacks like for Javelins. Repeater Pistols especially is so garbage that it's impossible to NOT notice how garbage it is.
Hi, thank you for the amazing content as always. Just a few tought I wanted to share as a handmaiden/mage main. On the mage changes I don’t have any complaints, they added reasonable changes,but with the elf.. oh boy. Let’s start with this, I’m still using the javelin on cata. With headshots it’s still possible to one shot most enemies. The stagger/cleave nerf was deserved, damage maybe but not so much. My main complaint is the damage drop off. Why the hell would they do that. The trajectory of the javelin is not straight.. the farther the enemy the more difficult to kill it, it was skill based. If they thought that it was op they should have changed the trajectory increasing the difficulty not nerf the damage. Meanwhile engineers can nuke everything into oblivion, machingun foes and allies to death and spam infinite bombs on top of everything… I just had a few quick matches and it was basically a 1 dwarf show… Ah and I want to apologize to everybody in the name of all elf players 😂😂 just remember to make a distinction between classes and players.. not all of us are green circles maniacs.. Have a good day
I don't know if this was changed just recently or beforehand. But the Slayer's Talent Hack and Slash is now 10% crit rather than 5%. It's not much, but it'll help keep Hunter up a bit more often when using Throwing Axes.
I've tried out Outcast Engineer as a bot with Ingenious Ordnance. And its insanely good, as he gives you bombs for days. Unfortunately these bombs still do friendly fire when used by anyone else and not Outcast Engineer. The same for Bombardier, though I don't know if it effects the type of bombs he makes(I haven't tested him as a bot with Bombardier yet) So far it seem random but could also be affect by which type you pick up. Also Bombardier doesn't give the bot 3 bombs and the start.
Leading Shots' replaced by new talent 'Ingenious Ordnance' - Bardin creates a bomb every 80 seconds and explosives no longer deal friendly fire damage. :D
One little fact that comes from no explosive friendly fire - the Trollpedo explosions now dont hurt as well! The projectile itself still does though, but this is still very cool
Hmm looks like I just gotta change a few talents around and the builds of yore will still be viable, nice though that I have new builds to play around with due to changes. Though I hope with this patch (since I play on PlayStation) there will be less crashes, nothings burns my soul more than doing a Legend or Cata run and then the game crashes. And I dunno if it’s just my luck but most of my crashes happen when I play Warrior Priest.
RIP Javellin holy shit, it was kinda busted for sure but jeez that was a heavy nerf, wish we got AOE moonfire back honestly that thing was so fun to use….they could cut the ammo or smth but the blue explosion was always so cool.
You say Battle Wizard's lvl 5 passive Lingering Flames ticks burn damage twice as fast, but that's not what it says on the tool tip. Where did you get that from?
On one hand. No more infinite trollpedo. On the other hand. Become the clang God with the hammer and use the mini gun to thanos snap hordes. It's great.
@@twinzzlers I refuse to use the bombs because I know the moment I break and use them they'll get nerfed the next day. I however, cannot deny that they're dope
@lynnrose12 Lol, that's you, I personally can't stop myself. There's nothing better in the world that deleting hordes and patrols alike and being this little agent of destruction. Outcast Engineer is perfect now.
Thats kind of sad for kerillian, she basically only has the longbow now. The staff for her dlc class will always be amazing though. I always thought GK was perfect as well, they needlesly made him worse because he gets slapped by anything at range thats the trade off.
I'm happy with every change except for the nerf to daggers, because the thing that made them so good was their monster damage. Now they're just fast with no cleave. I'm not too happy about the Prayer of Vengeance change, either. Crits are guaranteed over the course of a base game run even if you only have 5% crit chance, and can be used against any target. Monsters are not always guaranteed, and the new prayer can only be used against them. Super unnecessary change, imo.
unfortunately i saw some bugs in some of the talents that got changed, for example it seemed to me that lingering flames different tick damage sources now stack and unyielding blessing pulse effect didn't work. it might just be me though and not realt bugs. anyway the changes are fantastic and extremely fun, i would just like if they increased the headshot damage of the one handed axe though, it does too little damage imo for how bad in general that weapon is
The Nerf to the javelins makes me want to throw up. Glad the great sword got a buff. It’s a really good weapon but it was just lacking a little in damage. It’s a beast on grail knight secondary spot
as a battle wiz enjoyer the nerf wasn't a surprise, but non-burn being 15% instead of 30% is a pretty decent trade off i think, you only wanna do the burn damage we you can set up for it but more often than not, you'll have to deal with enough melee ranged rats before getting those moments where it matters to use your zoning tools.
Well, it seems to me Kerillian now has the if not the worst, then certainly the most boring ranged weapons in the game. It's basically the Longbow and maybe Deepwood Staff if you're SotT. Everything else slowly got nerfed over the years to trash.
There is zero reason to bring the javelin over the longbow now. They nerfed it waayyyyyy too much. Its useless. :( And, taking away 20% of the dual daggers damage versus monsters ruins those as well (and once again drives everyone right back to the sword/dagger combo). You already trade away a lot of big things when bringing dual daggers (horder clear, etc.). Some of these changes are just so dumb and take away fun from the few players that still remain. I'm really disappointed.
I'm so glad I'll have less javelins up my ass from spammy Elf players. Courosation staff now makes me feel less bad for playing it which is neat. Overall I'm glad they gave Engie, Priest and Pyro some love as they definetly needed it. I'll try to experiment more with the Pyro ranged changes, I usually play her for the crits lol Famished fames Nerf is definetly deserved and fits Siennas track record of just always having something that breaks shit (like the old beam wiggle that just melted monsters)
Pyro and Engie needed it. But Warrior Priest was always really strong imo, the only bad thing was how righteous fury always activated JUST when the action is over.
I will lament that having superior gaskets and enhanced steam capacitors at the same time made it so he only had to crank his gun once at the start of the level. But that could only happen in the chaos wastes and it was probably a little bit OP lol
Don't bother with that one anymore just do the 30% on heavy attacks and either do a light -> heavy -> block with the longsword or spam lights with the mace and sword until you proc swift slaying and then spam push attacks and heavies for horde clear. Now that you won't get bonus power to light attacks there is no reason to put attack speed on the executioner sword so you can go ahead and put power vs chaos and crit chance on that, combined with power vs chaos on your charm and you can one hit chaos warriors and storm vermin on legend without crits. All in all grail knight didn't change much he just became slightly worse at horde clear and better at elite killing.
I have 250 hours in Vermintide 2 and haven't touched it in 2 years. I'd like to jump back in but i'd feel so lost its like trying to jump back into Monster Hunter
Very mixed feelings about all these changes a lot of nerfs to some of the must fun classes in the game. Wish they had looked at huntsman again i love playing huntsman with the longbow but i know hes not the best class. Mixed feelings really. Not going to lie dont like the "fix" they have done to the bounty hunter
@@AntiProElite Nerfed as in balanced is ok, but it sounds like it's nerfed to oblivion. I still have to try it out tho. Other nerfes sound very reasonable.
@@AntiProElite I mostly play Cata deeds (vanguard + hordes mostly) and Chaos Wastes on cata. So a lot of breakpoints go out of the window and everything starts to count. But yeah, that's personal and probably not for most people.
These are all great changes, a big win for the game. disappointed that they still havent fixed Zealot though, if they didnt do it now then it's probably never going to happen.
@@survivorkg4606 Fiery Faith incentivises reducing your health to 1 at the beginning of the mission and running on temp health. This clashes with ways that the zealot can gain green health out of their control like regen from Grail Knights or Waystalkers. There's also the case of inexperienced players healing zealots when they shouldnt, it just feels bad to tell someone that they did the wrong thing for an unintuitive reason. Not to mention the fact that deliberately standing in front of enemies to get hit is clunky. A simple talent that changes all permanent health into temp health would solve all of this and has been asked for multiple times but apparently the devs dont want it.
@@benyed1636 I find that running natural bond usually solves half of the issues, however I do see your point... maybe it's time they gave zealot a new approach
@@benyed1636 I let enemies hit me. Normally, i either perform more charged attacks or switch to my ranged, providing small windows for them to chip away at my hp. When it gets low enough, i go back to mindlessly hacking and build my temp hp up. I should also mention that i don't obsess over getting exactly 6 stacks of ff, i find that 4-5 is usually enough to get by and, most importantly, to have fun
Sad about about losing leading shots specifically for the drake gun. He doesn't seem to have anything that actually improves it now and I don't like using on Ironbreaker because you have no way hitting special and elites at range other than with bombs. It was so much fun with Hunter trait on it. feels very anemic now.
these are some bullshit changes, why the grail knight nerfs? they dont make one ounce of sense, all these utility skills have been rendered useless for no reason , who in their sane mind is going to pick a one minute cooldown skill for 15 seconds of 35% increased speed? these guys are out of their minds
Glad to see some buffs to Outcast Eng and Warpriest. But don't understand GK nerf to ult. GK was perfectly balanced - strong and tanky but without any ranged weaponry. If ult was too strong against bosses, they should have nerfed ult damage. But nerfing ult cooldown nerfs every possible GK build. Also javelin used to be a slow weapon that hit like a truck. If some perk gave the ability spam, then they should've nerfed that perk! As always big nerfs to whole classes or weapons based on the experience of players who download the most optimized builds from the internet.
I remember a lot of darwi players, whining about sienna being too op. No with outcast engineer, it just hilarious. They made him way too powerful. I dont mind buffing battle wizard. If someone player her in your party it was quiet boring. But the oce is way over the top. Friendly fire to oblivion with troll harpoon. That is not boring, just annoying
I don't like nerfed my favorite BW build. I hate that I paid for a weapon that they nerfed severly Corsucation and javelin. BW got the triple nerf though. Most public teams have been bad. I see hidden profiles in Cata runs. I see people trying to level up in cata. I joined a cata run and the host picked up a grim. I just dropped after he wouldn't drop it.
Well I'm glad they nerfed all the fun shit after I sunk thousands of hours into the game and am bored of it now. Nerfing literally all the fun things near the very end of a game's development really won't ever make sense to me, but hey at least pyromancer is good now. A new Sienna to play after they butchered the fun one and her staff. RIP the fucking jav though, didn't deserve even half of those changes.
I'm a bit at a loss as to why double daggers got nerfed, it wasn't that great of a weapon on anyone but Shade (and even then you'd have better in-slot choices) edit: before accusations start flying, I'm not an elf main or an elf player in general (my least played character), just remember daggers not being that great
Daggers are good if those are at least blue. White and green are garbage. Daggers are (were) the best monster killing weapons by far with shade. No competition from any other class or weapon. Well maybe grail knight double stab, but its a skill, not weapon.
@@Wesuwius sword and dagger shared the same profile on one of the attacks and they're a lot less restrictive; which basically makes them better than daggers. and that's not the only weapon that's better than daggers on Kerillian, there's only pre-buff 1H axe that I can think of being as bad/difficult to utilize properly (except on Handmaiden + Jav) only time you would use daggers is on Shade and that's precisely because of her kit/role as moster killer, making them more viable -- not the other way around. no other class can utilize them well, and there are still better weapons you can go as shade.
@@TheNSJaws Sword and dagger is maybe the best all around weapon, but daggers were the best monster killing weapon with shade (like i said before). Maybe still are.
@@Wesuwius I know, lemme rephrase since I think we're talking past each other: I'm aware they work well with Shade. The issue is that monster killing is inherent on Shade, and daggers aren't good enough to be used as monster killer weapons on other characters. If they wanna nerf monster killing potential on Shade specifically, they should hit her with (yet another) nerf and buff daggers t ocompensate; This way Shade feels about as strong as she was, but daggers are also a better in-slot choice for other careers. So for these reasons I don't really see why they'd nerf the weapon that is specifically built to do what it was designed for if only one class can utilize it consistently. It seems like a really weird choice. It just seems a bit silly to me. as a Kruber enjoyer I don't really have a horse in this race.
they nerfed the outcast dwarf boss damage i used the every 4 crit one! with the 50% cd bar ult, it would do really good vs choas spawn so im really disappointed with the nerf on my engineer. honestly think he needs a buff vs monsters use up my whole entire bar and you don't do much anyways!. i don't agree with the holy knight nerf! not needed when you have a elf who can spam ults more often while the holy knight has to be in melee and still lacks vs specials. they also nerfed warrior priest with signamr executionior crit chance due to the prayer of vengeance no longer helping with crit power so dumb!, so far i don't like any of the changes vermintide 2 devs done they literally ruined all my specs and characters i play, only good thing i see done is the pyromancer being fixed! other than that most of it is trash and they ruined alot of specs.
@@swaggadash9017 legends tend to be more populated for sure. But people are only doing legend to run books. Which can get a bit tedious if you aren't farming reds.
@@Cernunnnos I usually play legend just because it's more chill. Cata can be frustrating with randoms, so I generally don't bother unless my boys are on. I certainly wouldn't say this game is dead tho.
@@Daethzoneznew cooldown Time (After headshotting with it) is something like 21 seconds compared to 7 (before the nerf) so hitting a headshot gives you a cooldown that’s three times as long as the old one.
It was funny seeing all the seething from Elf mains (and almost entirely elf mains, even though Sienna was nerfed far more) because they can no longer solo every single enemy in seconds with 1 weapon with infinite ammo
My favourite thing is hearing the cracks of butthurt of 1000h+ javelin only spam players... Oh what a sweet sound it is... Also, Vengance thing on Salty lets a lot of weapons breakpoint packrats now.
I hate friendly fire elves, and always kick them from my lobby after verbally assaulting them in VC, and Kerellian's playstyle tends to attract toxic players, but I never condone nerfing paid DLC weapons in a PvE game.
so basicly they destroying every weapon for elf with every major patch and render them to unusable same as moonbow they dont know how to nerf it normaly they just completely fuck it
![[Updated] Melee Weapon Tier List - Markus Kruber](/img/n.gif)
releasing big balance patches for a five year old game is truly a classic fatshark moment
Todd Howard moment
I'm always on the fence of Fatshark being my favourite game developers or my most hated... But I come back to them EVERY SINGLE TIME
@@luchifare4940it would be a todd howard moment if we had to pay for the update
@@majorandras7474in B4 paid mods start existing everywhere
@@majorandras7474 amen.
I will be enjoying the pyromancer changes. I found the class fun to begin with, but having these options for talents is really great, since before now volans doctrine was a must pick.
Don't sell yourself short at the end of this, friend! It was great! Production values weren't lacking, but more to the point, you got this useful info out there, in a clear and informative way, with a bit of personality too - it's appreciated!
Thanks mate!
Indeed, these info video's are even better when they are to the point IMO. You can always upload an extended one I guess.
Just found out with some testing that Trollhammer Torpedo with Ingenious Ordnance still does friendly fire. Now the Explosive part of the shot won't but the projectile will do massive friendly fire. Another thing I also noticed with the Trollhammer Torpedo is its behaving as though Armour Piercing Slugs selected when its not. Allowing for the Torpedo to pierce through multiple targets for good to massive damage, to then hit either another target or the ground for the explosion.
I'm glad to know this wasn't just me. Messed with changes, then pulled out to shoot my trollhammer because why not, and then started second guessing myself about how it worked.
I think they forgot to change the Gromril-Plated Shot. It's still only doing 40 damage a shot with a mag capacity of 30 rounds. Feels pretty useless when you could have like 120 rounds of 21 damage with Innovative Ammo Hoppers. Armour isn't nearly common enough to really justify Gromril when you could just pull out a pistol to deal with it, or even one of your bombs now. Had they removed the reduction in mag capacity from picking it, it woulda been a diffrent story though. You get 80 rounds in your mag standard after all, so tossing that down to a mere 30 rounds? Why would you ever wanna do that when you got so many ways to deal with armour? Besides, it's not exactly the most accurate of weapons, so missing a shot really sucks when you only got 30 to work with immediately
This community is spectacular, everyone is having a blast and the devs are updating our beloved game again :)
Overall a really nice community indeed. Most players are nice people unlike a COD lobby :)
@BD-tp6pr well I'm nice until I get the umpteenth guy queuing legend and not moving as a team. I stopped kicking and started leaving games from this.
Damn Javelin really got gutted lol
also still praying for them to bring back the Moonfire bow aoe it was really fun to use
was it not super op?
@@icata12345 Yeah but I just want the AOE back not necessarily how OP it was just the explosion they can nerf the DOT if they want I just need my magic exploding arrow back
moonbow and javelin, two of the best ranged weapon lost in history, goddamn fatshark, i paid for fun not shitting myself for some so call "balance", nobody uses moonbow anymore, its a shame.
@@marionettes7974 Javelin needed to be nerfed tbh but removing Moonfire Bow AOE removed any uniqueness from the weapon and made it a DOT Longbow
@@ThatRandomDude204 i do agree nerfing it but tuned in at a right amount, not like this. The javelin's damage threshold is really bad at the current stage, i mean there is nothing that it is good at tbh, you could even do better with other "average" range weapons.
Nice to hear the greatsword finally got buffed for Kruber and Saltz.
They hit javelin harder than the old moonfire bow…
RIP anyone who had spend their red dust on a javelin and doesn't just have a ton sitting around
> join v2 lobby
> immediately try to dash+slide
> fail
> leave game
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Amazing 😂
> join v2 lobby
> outcast engineer throws 3 bombs at me
dont do darktide kids!
@@morgenstern_7Darktide is now the better game imo. I say that as someone with 1800 hours in VT2
@@HeroOfTheWeb eh....give it a few more years and that may be true. Currently? VT2 is still miles better until they start patching up and giving contents to Darktide.
Outcast Engineer Trollhammer Torpedo + Ingenious Ordnance to the face.
As a warrior priest main, prayer of vengeance was a really really really bad talent, never picked in any of my builds because of how garbage it was, so im glad they changed it to something more meaningful, especially now that the boss killer careers have been nerfed. In twitch and chaos wastes is gonna be a really useful pick.
That’s fair. It’ll bring value. Just in a different way.
Prayer of Vengeance was my favorite on the line if there were crit players on the team. If I had a Shade and a Pyro both running Daggers or the Shade running any Finesse weapon, they could get a lot of work done with Prayer of Vengeance. For me, this is a hard nerf for Vengeance because no matter who you play, over the course of the run, you *will* throw crits. In the base game, you will not always encounter a monster. This pick for me restricted the talent pick for something like Twitch 200% and up, because even on a Cata Deed (my favorite way to play), there's not guarantee you'll encounter a monster. Even as a monster slaying talent now, the boss damage classes almost all have access to guaranteed crits, and running the right weapons 35% Crit Power > 25% PvM.
Disappointed that Repeater Pistols are still trash, and they didn't give Throwing Axes their own melee attacks like for Javelins. Repeater Pistols especially is so garbage that it's impossible to NOT notice how garbage it is.
Hi, thank you for the amazing content as always. Just a few tought I wanted to share as a handmaiden/mage main. On the mage changes I don’t have any complaints, they added reasonable changes,but with the elf.. oh boy.
Let’s start with this, I’m still using the javelin on cata. With headshots it’s still possible to one shot most enemies. The stagger/cleave nerf was deserved, damage maybe but not so much. My main complaint is the damage drop off. Why the hell would they do that. The trajectory of the javelin is not straight.. the farther the enemy the more difficult to kill it, it was skill based. If they thought that it was op they should have changed the trajectory increasing the difficulty not nerf the damage. Meanwhile engineers can nuke everything into oblivion, machingun foes and allies to death and spam infinite bombs on top of everything… I just had a few quick matches and it was basically a 1 dwarf show…
Ah and I want to apologize to everybody in the name of all elf players 😂😂 just remember to make a distinction between classes and players.. not all of us are green circles maniacs..
Have a good day
i like alot of the changes, javelin, BH, and GK nerf make me little sad tho
I would love to see some new builds for engi, pyro and WP
For sure! It’ll definitely happen. Just might take me a while.
Just played a match as Engi. It is so much fun, take Bombadadier and Troll Hammer and just enjoy nuking entire patrols with ease
@@WetMagic Definitely would be keen for some engineer builds after the latest changes.
I don't know if this was changed just recently or beforehand. But the Slayer's Talent Hack and Slash is now 10% crit rather than 5%.
It's not much, but it'll help keep Hunter up a bit more often when using Throwing Axes.
Helpful patch review!
Thanks!
I've tried out Outcast Engineer as a bot with Ingenious Ordnance. And its insanely good, as he gives you bombs for days. Unfortunately these bombs still do friendly fire when used by anyone else and not Outcast Engineer. The same for Bombardier, though I don't know if it effects the type of bombs he makes(I haven't tested him as a bot with Bombardier yet) So far it seem random but could also be affect by which type you pick up. Also Bombardier doesn't give the bot 3 bombs and the start.
Leading Shots' replaced by new talent 'Ingenious Ordnance' - Bardin creates a bomb every 80 seconds and explosives no longer deal friendly fire damage. :D
One little fact that comes from no explosive friendly fire - the Trollpedo explosions now dont hurt as well! The projectile itself still does though, but this is still very cool
@@drendy1550 Actually it still does friendly fire, just not the explosion part. If you shoot through an ally, it will still do massive friendly fire.
@@covahredro8370that's literally what he said
@@Capense-q9m He did lol dopy me
Hmm looks like I just gotta change a few talents around and the builds of yore will still be viable, nice though that I have new builds to play around with due to changes. Though I hope with this patch (since I play on PlayStation) there will be less crashes, nothings burns my soul more than doing a Legend or Cata run and then the game crashes. And I dunno if it’s just my luck but most of my crashes happen when I play Warrior Priest.
i feel like famished flames should've gotten a non fire damage nerf rather than the flames themselves, but eh the fire was certainly way too high
Bombardier is so important, no kidding. I had games before that change where we didn't even find 3 bombs throughout the .
RIP Javellin holy shit, it was kinda busted for sure but jeez that was a heavy nerf, wish we got AOE moonfire back honestly that thing was so fun to use….they could cut the ammo or smth but the blue explosion was always so cool.
You say Battle Wizard's lvl 5 passive Lingering Flames ticks burn damage twice as fast, but that's not what it says on the tool tip. Where did you get that from?
No more guaranteed crits for Engi, eh? Still, the new talents seem really interesting, can't wait to try some new builds
On one hand. No more infinite trollpedo. On the other hand. Become the clang God with the hammer and use the mini gun to thanos snap hordes. It's great.
@@AvaR0se-08Don't forget the bombs@
@@twinzzlers I refuse to use the bombs because I know the moment I break and use them they'll get nerfed the next day.
I however, cannot deny that they're dope
@lynnrose12 Lol, that's you, I personally can't stop myself. There's nothing better in the world that deleting hordes and patrols alike and being this little agent of destruction. Outcast Engineer is perfect now.
Pretty nice for my sword Pyro! I may be able to play her more stably in Cata.
Those long awaited Pyro changes will bring me back to the game for sure!
Quick question, download size was 20 Gigs and it's only some balancing and skins? 😅
Thank you! I was wondering why the game had such a large patch lol. Haven't played this game in years.
As a sword lover I never felt like the weapon needed a buff, but hey I'm more than fine with this change haha
Thats kind of sad for kerillian, she basically only has the longbow now. The staff for her dlc class will always be amazing though. I always thought GK was perfect as well, they needlesly made him worse because he gets slapped by anything at range thats the trade off.
I'm happy with every change except for the nerf to daggers, because the thing that made them so good was their monster damage. Now they're just fast with no cleave. I'm not too happy about the Prayer of Vengeance change, either. Crits are guaranteed over the course of a base game run even if you only have 5% crit chance, and can be used against any target. Monsters are not always guaranteed, and the new prayer can only be used against them. Super unnecessary change, imo.
Useful against packmasters tho. Maybe now you can kill it with ult with some breakpoints
I am. So scared but I am going to play this game so much now
Could you make a Chaos Wastes Boons tier list? Would love to see it.
They were like hey you guys using the javelin...... don't
Bomb build on OE is very fun, also Im glad the elf's spear was nerfed, thing was way overtuned
unfortunately i saw some bugs in some of the talents that got changed, for example it seemed to me that lingering flames different tick damage sources now stack and unyielding blessing pulse effect didn't work. it might just be me though and not realt bugs. anyway the changes are fantastic and extremely fun, i would just like if they increased the headshot damage of the one handed axe though, it does too little damage imo for how bad in general that weapon is
About time they addressed the greatsword. Even merc could barely make it useable in legend, let alone cataclysm.
The Nerf to the javelins makes me want to throw up.
Glad the great sword got a buff. It’s a really good weapon but it was just lacking a little in damage. It’s a beast on grail knight secondary spot
as a battle wiz enjoyer the nerf wasn't a surprise, but non-burn being 15% instead of 30% is a pretty decent trade off i think, you only wanna do the burn damage we you can set up for it but more often than not, you'll have to deal with enough melee ranged rats before getting those moments where it matters to use your zoning tools.
Sad about javelin. Was so satisfying just lining up shots and getting multiple kills. F
Well, it seems to me Kerillian now has the if not the worst, then certainly the most boring ranged weapons in the game. It's basically the Longbow and maybe Deepwood Staff if you're SotT. Everything else slowly got nerfed over the years to trash.
we still run hagbane in the current year
There is zero reason to bring the javelin over the longbow now. They nerfed it waayyyyyy too much. Its useless. :( And, taking away 20% of the dual daggers damage versus monsters ruins those as well (and once again drives everyone right back to the sword/dagger combo). You already trade away a lot of big things when bringing dual daggers (horder clear, etc.). Some of these changes are just so dumb and take away fun from the few players that still remain. I'm really disappointed.
So is Lingering Flames worth considering now or is Famished Flames still the way to go?
Linger is op rn
Will you do updated build guides?
thank you! :) help me a lot
Just started playing the game enjoying it much
God speed sir
Holyy, I havent played the game for some time. But this "meta" change makes me want to come back :P new builds incoming!
No idea why they nerfed bh's boss killing potential.
I'm so glad I'll have less javelins up my ass from spammy Elf players.
Courosation staff now makes me feel less bad for playing it which is neat.
Overall I'm glad they gave Engie, Priest and Pyro some love as they definetly needed it.
I'll try to experiment more with the Pyro ranged changes, I usually play her for the crits lol
Famished fames Nerf is definetly deserved and fits Siennas track record of just always having something that breaks shit (like the old beam wiggle that just melted monsters)
Pyro and Engie needed it. But Warrior Priest was always really strong imo, the only bad thing was how righteous fury always activated JUST when the action is over.
I will lament that having superior gaskets and enhanced steam capacitors at the same time made it so he only had to crank his gun once at the start of the level. But that could only happen in the chaos wastes and it was probably a little bit OP lol
Can i still one shot Headshot stormverming in the head with 24 % Power increasd with the Bret sword?
Don't bother with that one anymore just do the 30% on heavy attacks and either do a light -> heavy -> block with the longsword or spam lights with the mace and sword until you proc swift slaying and then spam push attacks and heavies for horde clear. Now that you won't get bonus power to light attacks there is no reason to put attack speed on the executioner sword so you can go ahead and put power vs chaos and crit chance on that, combined with power vs chaos on your charm and you can one hit chaos warriors and storm vermin on legend without crits. All in all grail knight didn't change much he just became slightly worse at horde clear and better at elite killing.
I wish they would add a new monster or disabler for any faction
rip in peace javelin
Finally 1h and 2h swords got buffed
Man I was about to go to bed, guess I'm playing
I have 250 hours in Vermintide 2 and haven't touched it in 2 years.
I'd like to jump back in but i'd feel so lost its like trying to jump back into Monster Hunter
Thrown stick no longer pointy
They nerfed everything on the javelin and did nothing to flamy bow, still useless.
Very mixed feelings about all these changes a lot of nerfs to some of the must fun classes in the game. Wish they had looked at huntsman again i love playing huntsman with the longbow but i know hes not the best class. Mixed feelings really. Not going to lie dont like the "fix" they have done to the bounty hunter
Javelin .... RIP :(
I think...
Op weapon gets nerfed..... *suprised pikachu face*
@@AntiProElite Nerfed as in balanced is ok, but it sounds like it's nerfed to oblivion. I still have to try it out tho. Other nerfes sound very reasonable.
@@BD-tp6pr stagger nerfs are great and cleave nerf even more. As long as you still can 1SHS specials in cata its fine.
@@AntiProElite I mostly play Cata deeds (vanguard + hordes mostly) and Chaos Wastes on cata. So a lot of breakpoints go out of the window and everything starts to count.
But yeah, that's personal and probably not for most people.
Bounty hunter is hard enough to use you mess up once on cata with him your pretty much dead nobody really uses him anymore
These are all great changes, a big win for the game.
disappointed that they still havent fixed Zealot though, if they didnt do it now then it's probably never going to happen.
Is there something wrong with zealot?
@@survivorkg4606 Fiery Faith incentivises reducing your health to 1 at the beginning of the mission and running on temp health.
This clashes with ways that the zealot can gain green health out of their control like regen from Grail Knights or Waystalkers. There's also the case of inexperienced players healing zealots when they shouldnt, it just feels bad to tell someone that they did the wrong thing for an unintuitive reason. Not to mention the fact that deliberately standing in front of enemies to get hit is clunky.
A simple talent that changes all permanent health into temp health would solve all of this and has been asked for multiple times but apparently the devs dont want it.
@@benyed1636 I find that running natural bond usually solves half of the issues, however I do see your point... maybe it's time they gave zealot a new approach
@@survivorkg4606 What do you do when you regenerate too much health with natural bond?
@@benyed1636 I let enemies hit me. Normally, i either perform more charged attacks or switch to my ranged, providing small windows for them to chip away at my hp. When it gets low enough, i go back to mindlessly hacking and build my temp hp up. I should also mention that i don't obsess over getting exactly 6 stacks of ff, i find that 4-5 is usually enough to get by and, most importantly, to have fun
Off the top of my head sounds like all good changes.
Sad about about losing leading shots specifically for the drake gun. He doesn't seem to have anything that actually improves it now and I don't like using on Ironbreaker because you have no way hitting special and elites at range other than with bombs. It was so much fun with Hunter trait on it. feels very anemic now.
dam it now i have to update my steam guide :(
these are some bullshit changes, why the grail knight nerfs? they dont make one ounce of sense, all these utility skills have been rendered useless for no reason , who in their sane mind is going to pick a one minute cooldown skill for 15 seconds of 35% increased speed? these guys are out of their minds
Glad to see some buffs to Outcast Eng and Warpriest. But don't understand GK nerf to ult. GK was perfectly balanced - strong and tanky but without any ranged weaponry. If ult was too strong against bosses, they should have nerfed ult damage. But nerfing ult cooldown nerfs every possible GK build.
Also javelin used to be a slow weapon that hit like a truck. If some perk gave the ability spam, then they should've nerfed that perk!
As always big nerfs to whole classes or weapons based on the experience of players who download the most optimized builds from the internet.
sad to see slayer being shrugged at, Barge is counter intuitive to a Slayer and Dawi drop is just garbage.
I remember a lot of darwi players, whining about sienna being too op. No with outcast engineer, it just hilarious. They made him way too powerful. I dont mind buffing battle wizard. If someone player her in your party it was quiet boring. But the oce is way over the top. Friendly fire to oblivion with troll harpoon. That is not boring, just annoying
Finally the wutelgi will have to use their brain in a most ranged kills duel instead of just randomly throwing those javelins
I don't like nerfed my favorite BW build. I hate that I paid for a weapon that they nerfed severly Corsucation and javelin. BW got the triple nerf though. Most public teams have been bad. I see hidden profiles in Cata runs. I see people trying to level up in cata. I joined a cata run and the host picked up a grim. I just dropped after he wouldn't drop it.
I thought they’d do all the careers like the last time…but no…just shit
grail knight nerf was stupid
he didnt need a nerf
They killed the bounty hunter 😞
Well I'm glad they nerfed all the fun shit after I sunk thousands of hours into the game and am bored of it now. Nerfing literally all the fun things near the very end of a game's development really won't ever make sense to me, but hey at least pyromancer is good now. A new Sienna to play after they butchered the fun one and her staff.
RIP the fucking jav though, didn't deserve even half of those changes.
I'm a bit at a loss as to why double daggers got nerfed, it wasn't that great of a weapon on anyone but Shade (and even then you'd have better in-slot choices)
edit: before accusations start flying, I'm not an elf main or an elf player in general (my least played character), just remember daggers not being that great
Daggers are good if those are at least blue. White and green are garbage. Daggers are (were) the best monster killing weapons by far with shade. No competition from any other class or weapon. Well maybe grail knight double stab, but its a skill, not weapon.
@@Wesuwius
sword and dagger shared the same profile on one of the attacks and they're a lot less restrictive; which basically makes them better than daggers. and that's not the only weapon that's better than daggers on Kerillian, there's only pre-buff 1H axe that I can think of being as bad/difficult to utilize properly (except on Handmaiden + Jav)
only time you would use daggers is on Shade and that's precisely because of her kit/role as moster killer, making them more viable -- not the other way around. no other class can utilize them well, and there are still better weapons you can go as shade.
@@TheNSJaws Sword and dagger is maybe the best all around weapon, but daggers were the best monster killing weapon with shade (like i said before). Maybe still are.
@@Wesuwius I know, lemme rephrase since I think we're talking past each other:
I'm aware they work well with Shade.
The issue is that monster killing is inherent on Shade, and daggers aren't good enough to be used as monster killer weapons on other characters.
If they wanna nerf monster killing potential on Shade specifically, they should hit her with (yet another) nerf and buff daggers t ocompensate; This way Shade feels about as strong as she was, but daggers are also a better in-slot choice for other careers.
So for these reasons I don't really see why they'd nerf the weapon that is specifically built to do what it was designed for if only one class can utilize it consistently. It seems like a really weird choice. It just seems a bit silly to me.
as a Kruber enjoyer I don't really have a horse in this race.
time to update ur sienna guides 😅
they nerfed the outcast dwarf boss damage i used the every 4 crit one! with the 50% cd bar ult, it would do really good vs choas spawn so im really disappointed with the nerf on my engineer. honestly think he needs a buff vs monsters use up my whole entire bar and you don't do much anyways!. i don't agree with the holy knight nerf! not needed when you have a elf who can spam ults more often while the holy knight has to be in melee and still lacks vs specials. they also nerfed warrior priest with signamr executionior crit chance due to the prayer of vengeance no longer helping with crit power so dumb!, so far i don't like any of the changes vermintide 2 devs done they literally ruined all my specs and characters i play, only good thing i see done is the pyromancer being fixed! other than that most of it is trash and they ruined alot of specs.
FatShark like “the 10 people who still play are going to love this!”
It's not got a bad player base tbh. Although offpeak cata can be a little sparse.
@@Cernunnnos I haven’t played in a bit. Used to wait forever to find people (though half my friends is cata randoms)
I play it on PS5 and mostly play legend, I get full matches pretty consistently.
@@swaggadash9017 legends tend to be more populated for sure. But people are only doing legend to run books. Which can get a bit tedious if you aren't farming reds.
@@Cernunnnos I usually play legend just because it's more chill. Cata can be frustrating with randoms, so I generally don't bother unless my boys are on. I certainly wouldn't say this game is dead tho.
Jav is now just an arrow. Completely useless. And everyone's team will suffer for it.
Jav is useless now. It's worse than an arrow.
You can run out of arrows
The elf now throw sticks instead of spears.
birmingham 2
LOL double shot cooldown was not a bug thats BS.
it was bugged,happen to me most of the times,everytime i ult headshotted chaos warrior on legend i get ult refunded to 85% back,it shud be half
@@xannen3457 yea you got ult refunds exactly like the dude description said for years now. Its was not a bug.
How big of a nerf was this to bounty hunter? Just curious because I basically main him when playing cata
@@Daethzoneznew cooldown Time (After headshotting with it) is something like 21 seconds compared to 7 (before the nerf) so hitting a headshot gives you a cooldown that’s three times as long as the old one.
@@SolarFlarehorse OOF
I hate them 😢
a Kerillian nerf? I never thought id see the day. even though its barely a slap on the wrist
this is great. but seeing 2k players concurrent really doesn't encourage me to play anymore
What does the Player count have to do with the gameplay
@@AntiProElite being able to play with others is a key component of this game. Compared to 16k in darktide. Vermintide is dead
@@dime4026 before the big patch darktide had 3k too. 2k is enough to find games and have fun.
@@dime4026 it is definitely not. I find games in seconds.
@@dime4026I get lobbies every time I play? I smash this game as well 😂
yup nerfing on a coop/pve game. that's why I uninstalled this game
It was funny seeing all the seething from Elf mains (and almost entirely elf mains, even though Sienna was nerfed far more) because they can no longer solo every single enemy in seconds with 1 weapon with infinite ammo
My favourite thing is hearing the cracks of butthurt of 1000h+ javelin only spam players... Oh what a sweet sound it is...
Also, Vengance thing on Salty lets a lot of weapons breakpoint packrats now.
Man I hope you’re not on console, cuz what a piss poor attitude you have. It needed nerfed, it didn’t need to be gutted. Don’t be obnoxious
I hate friendly fire elves, and always kick them from my lobby after verbally assaulting them in VC, and Kerellian's playstyle tends to attract toxic players, but I never condone nerfing paid DLC weapons in a PvE game.
so basicly they destroying every weapon for elf with every major patch and render them to unusable same as moonbow they dont know how to nerf it normaly they just completely fuck it
They nerfed BH but Bardin still is destroying bosses with Masterwork pistol easier and safer than BH ever did, classic Fatshark