Hey. Today, November 11..2024, driving my 2020 ram 1500 rebel 5.7 hemi from NY to New Hampshire, [280mile] keep cruise 68 mph and impressive 21.5mpg....you pushed to 72-72mph... you get 18 mpg. In citi 12... towing 8-10 [ 9k lb]...
About in line with what I would expect on that trim. I was hoping for more due to the design. My truck is almost the identical setup with the Hemi and I average about 16-17. People too often under estimate the hit of off-road tires and gears. Mine would hit 22-23 sometimes before upgrades impacted fuel economy. The lift maters a bit more on a 1500 due to the IFS angles of the CV shaft. Great content!
@ Correct, lifting a straight axle affects one longer driveline, however IDF has two shorter axles with at least double the loss. That’s if you don’t lower the front differential or transfer case.
I have a 3.6 in my 22 Warlock I get 17 in town with 3.21 gears but heavier Yokohama Geolander AT tires. For the size of the truck it’s hard to complain other than lack of torque.
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So, mpg is shit, reliability (for the moment at least) is shit, the noise is shit , the value is shit (overpriced). Stelantis is really trying to go bankrupt. cuz even in Europe they are not doing great (HUGE problems with their 1.2 Purtec gas engines and 1.5 BlueHDi diesel)
I call BS. The ZF 8HP is THE transmission to beat. Ask any transmission shop. You'll struggle to find a better RWD-biased transmission on the market for this segment.
regular 5.7 1500 with 4.92 gears ('22) gets about 20 - 22 mpg on the highway... 16 - 17 in the city. etorque system trucks be basically the same since its barely gonna trigger in most situations with a/c or heat on.
@psd.3144 tell that to my 21 poor man's Rebel (CC Lonestar Hemi e-torque w/33" Michelin AT2 tires) a 3.92 4x4 33 gal tank. I avg 13.5 and maybe 18 mpg on the freeway driving like a grandma.
When I drove my ex girlfriend's 05' Ram 5.7 Hemi with 220k miles, 3.92 gears 4wd I could get 22 mpg at just under 70 mph but that's working the throttle just right. Normally a safe bet was 17-20.
@@Whiskeybende Cars/trucks from the 2000s get the same or gooder mpg than newer vehicles. It's a conspiracy theory that new vehicles get better gas mileage, I don't see it. And or 1 or 2 more mpg isn't that great 2 decades later with more parts to fail.
I wish GM would gives a 4.0 V8 duramax in the 2500 frame. Like a silverado 2000HD or something. I'd love the heavier duty build quality and longevity of a 2500, but I really don't want the fuel economy of a 6.6 liter gas or diesel engine. Honestly I'd even take the 3.0 in a 2500 chassis to get it, but at least with a 4.0 V8 there would be a middle ground for those who need a bit more than a 1500, but not necessarily a 6.6.
This tells me that Ford really did hit a home run with their EcoBoost. I had a 2019 F150 and now a 2024 F150. I have nothing but praise for the 3.5 liter. Good MPGs most of the time. I say "most of the time" cuz when you hook on a trailer of any weight....you'll burn some fuel....but they pull effortlessly.
It's a Rebel. I had one for three years. Everything about it has nothing to do with fuel economy. I bought the Rebel for its off road chops, not fuel economy. On a long trip on the interstate, I would average 18.5 to 19.7 and I thinks that GREAT for what it is! My 2023 Limited Longhorn, 3.21 gears and a HEMI, gets 22.5 to 24.2 on the highway all day long! it's a completely different configuration than the Rebel and makes a BIG difference with gas mileage.
My Big Horn 23 hemi averages 12.5l per 100km and best I've seen highway was 10.8l per 100km. Now my Big Horn has the 3.23 rear gear and all the Rebels and or even the old outdoorsman Trim just sucks fuel unfortunately but they due have the 3.92 rear gear
My 2025 Rebel is at 1800 miles and I completely agree with your test. As for my opinion of my Rebel, it has a lot of power but the turbos are lazy and the ECU software is garbage. I have had to take it to the dealer already for updates and will probably need to do it more times. Fix the factory tune stellantis!
I agreed, the tune just seemed odd. The ecoboost engines just seem to be seemless with their turbos where this engine just seemed unsure if it wanted boost or not.
I think its hard to underestimate the impact of this being a Rebel. It's got every change youd make if you wanted to reduce fuel economy. The tires, a slight lift , the gearing and a less aerodynamic fascia. I look forward to the test with a more standard 1500.
My 2016 Ram 1500 crew cab 5.7 with a 2 in level and 35” KO2’s gets 17 on the highway and 14-15 in town. This is a really disappointing result for the new ram in my opinion. I’m on the hunt for a new truck and love rams but I’m not paying 50-60k for a truck that’s no more efficient than the one I have now.
@@SteegeFish With the 3.92 gearing, I would expect this kind of MPG! hAD HE TESTED THE same truck with the 33.21 gearing, the MPG would have been much different!!
@@wayneowen5864 my truck has the same 3.92 gearing. This engine should still be more efficient than my 225k mile hemi. It’s not and that’s disappointing. It’s not at the top of my list for my next truck for that reason.
The Rebel I had several years ago was a rough rider for sure. Test drive took place on the smoothest road in Illinois. Later realized it came with 10 ply tires!
maybe you got shitty gas down there lol idk the math is pretty black and white. but ultimately it doesn matter what route you run as long as you run the same route to see which engines do better.
Hurricane 6 has a lot of power, which means more fuel. The 3.92 gears don't help. I would expect a non lifted truck to get 2 mpg more, maybe 3. It's not great, but it has a ton of power (13.5 1/4 mile is insane).
Thanks for the great review. I actually have a new fully loaded. Rebel ordered. Should be here in a week or two. I test drove one a couple months ago and I was thoroughly impressed with a fuel mileage. I drove highway city combined. It was doing 9.1 L per hundred. That would be around 25 US miles per gallon my current hemi is good but that’s easily 2 to 3 miles per gallon difference. I personally think the truck is amazing even though I’m a V8 guy. Wonder if there’s some type of break-in on that truck before it gets good fuel mileage very strange
My 2020 Ram 1500 crew cab with 22” Night edition rims got 19 mpg on the highway at best. Now I have the factory 18” Warlock rims with 34.5” Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT tires, 2.5 lift and I’m getting 16 mpg highway.
A redo test on a more common ‘highway’/conventional truck would also show the difference between a platform designed for efficiency, vs one marketed to the ‘offroad’ crowd. I’d place money on the lower ride height, one with a lower valance air dam and low resistance rolling highway tire will add at least 1mpg to those numbers, possibly even 2mpg. It would showcase what you’re giving up (fuel economy) when you choose those packages.
Great review Alex! Can you do a review comparing an old 1990s model to a new 2024 model to compare the differences and improvements/advancements in technology over the years?!
I had a 2018 Rebel 5.7l with the air suspension and I was getting 21 on the highway at 65 mph on the highway. It was from one side of town to the other in El Paso TX on I-10. Calculated at the pump not on the onboard computer
Had a Ram 1500 extended cab 4X4 with the 3.6L. It had the tow package with a higher gear ration and on the highway up to 70 mph I could pull in excess of 24 mpg throughout hills no problem. Sure, it wasn't the Hemi nor did it have that kind of horsepower, but I also ran all-terrain tires and drove it like I just robbed a bank. Neither my previous F150 or GMC Sierra came close to the performance or fuel mileage and those were both lighter 2WD trucks.
In a comparison test you want to be as close to "all things being equal" as possible. Testing a Rebel put this vehicle at a significant disadvantage vs the competition.
Just wanted to say, i love your channel and content. Correct me if I'm wrong, did i see you pumping regular fuel in the video? I've heard that the standard output engine performs better with premium. Worth a retest?
Greetings Alex. Great decision now is you correct choice on configuration. May be now the great decision and correct choice could be a diésel engine. 😮 Only if you wish is improvement the MPG. Anyway, I declare myself a fan of the Hurricane engine. In an increasingly competitive world, I hope it doesn't ruin the RAM company. 😮 GRACIAS Y TE MANDO UN ABRAZOTE DESDE CDMX; MÉXICO! 😮 😂🤠
My '25 3.0L Big Horn 4x4 managed to get 23.8 mpg over 70 miles of southwestern Missouri freeway driving that consists of large rolling hills. Granted it takes 89 octane and consistant conservative acceleration to get that.
We bought a 2025 Laramie with the standard output 3.0 Hurricane. It is 4wd with 3.92 gears. We replaced the tires with BFG Trail Terrain the same size as the original tires. Not as aggressive as the Goodyear that you tested. Just took a trip through the Texas Hill Country. It was combined city and highway. We were traveling 70-75 on the highway. When I filled up I hand calculated the mileage at 19.7. I believe it will be better when the engine breaks in.
As a comparison, you should try this economy loop with an F150 Tremor 3.5l ecoboost. Similar tire and differential setup. I wonder how much loss in economy over the previous test F150. Luv the videos.
What rpm does it end up at with the giant tires combined with short axle, when doing the 70 mph? Do those things pretty much cancel each other, or is the rpm surprisingly high?
I really enjoy the 2.7 turbomax in my silverado. The more I compare it to everything but fords 2.7, the more impressive it becomes. The GM 5.3/6.2 are also very impressive, although they have the lifter problems, so I would avoid them.
Ford had powertrain engineers who figured out, what, 20 years ago? Turbocharged engines with lower displacement exist solely to be "cycle beaters," meaning they can be driven with dampened throttle inputs for fuel economy testing and turn out good numbers on paper.
I had a 2020 Ram Limited 4x4 without eTorque. I think it had 3:23 gears, I can’t quite remember but I know it wasn’t the 3:90 something or another option. On a highway cruise at 70mph it would get 22-24 mpg. I liked the truck a lot but had traded a 2018 tuned Raptor for it, so I grew tired of how weak the Hemi felt in comparison. 22 months with the Ram and I was back in a Raptor. A 2019 this time and had the MPT 93 PRX tune loaded by the third day. The Raptor has 4:10 gearing and at 65mph stays around 19.5-20.5 mpg. Normal driving with stop and go drops it down to 14-15mpg, depending on my mood.
I did 500 mile road trip with my Laramie 3.0 3.92 gears and got 24 MPG. In comparison I did the same trip several times with my 2019 Hemi with 3.21 gears and got 22 mpg. So about 2 MPG better with the bigger gears.
@@privateer9181 I did not know that the 5.9 Magnum made more power at a lower RPM than the current generation 5.7 Hemi. How much power did the Magnum make and at what rpm? How much power does the 5.7 make at the same RPM? And what does any of that have to do with my comment? lol
@ what im saying anyone who thinks the 5.7 makes more,power because it has a lower top end prolly also thinks the 360 makes more power at the end of the day all im saying is that the 3.0 isnt just more powerful than the hemi..its VASTLY more power..because it makes torque way way lower…..everyone who buys anhurricane will have a 3/36 warantyengine thats vastly more powerful than a hemi with a 3/36 warranty. I guess the question is …can they get to 200k
1 inch lift, bigger tires, 3.92 gears, no chin spoiler, no air suspension (that option doesn't do well in our col and salty environment) all make a big difference over the other trim levels in the 1500 line up. Ram doesn't give different fuel figures for the 1500s other than the TRX. Other companies are a bit more honest. With my 2024 1500 Rebel I wish I got mileage like that 2025 Rebel. I am lucky to see 15 L per 100km, 12 is a pipe dream. Let me know if you want an apples to apples comparison, my rebel only has 8000km so it's still new. Send me the distances and speed of your route and I'll send you what I get for a similar run around the Halifax area. I know that the other trims of the 1500 get significantly better fuel economy. A better comparison for the Rebel might be with a Tremor. Just saying. Great review, thanks.
Imagine that truck in real world of traffic, traffic light ideling in the drive through.. sitting in the driveway warning up to get that snow melted off .
I have a 2020 NBS Ram 1500 with a 3" lift and 35's. The 5.7 etorque and 3.92 gears. It struggles to hit 16 mpg on the highway at those speeds. Around town I'm usually looking at 12. I definitely would prefer to have a 6.4 powerwagon at this point for the front locker. You can't even add a front locker to a 1500 Ram. I'm getting terrible MPG anyway, might as well have a Powerwagon.
The in-line 6 is an awesome starting point. In the hurricane they just did not execute part of it very well apparently . The GM 3.0 LZ0 would dominate this loop.
Likely best to talk in freedom units and most Canadians can read Merican. V8 imo will always be the best option for a truck and v6 for a midsize suv or car, 4 cylinders turbo for the racers.
Most powerful?? So it's 20hp more than an 3.5EB and 40lbft shy of the 3.5EB, and it's missing 2 gears(o underwrite and one overdrive). My 3.5EB beat Alex's test empty and pulling a 40ft 12k 13' tall fifthwheel(way more wind resistance) at 105km/h over 500km in Norther Ontario. 3.55axle 33.2" tall rubber and 20" rims. I can get 9.5l/100km(24.57mpg) at 110km/h and when towing I'm only using 22-27l/100km(8.7-10.6mpg) at 105 max, locked into 8th(0.85:1). The issue with the lack of oomph and poor economy is the fact that the motor is operating BELOW the BMEP of 3600rpm(3.5EB BMEP is 2600-3500rpm). That motor can make good torque there, but it's too low for the efficiency to play out if he cut 2 gears it would be much better. A diesel(13-15l) BMEP is 1100-1400rpm and that's why then pull welland get better mileage than the older trucks did down low(older trucks needed more 1400-1700rpm)
@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel so a slow speed test at extreme altitude(low airflow and high load) determines what in Alex's testing or my real world multiple year multiple truck experience? The toaster test is absolutely brutal and no comparison to either of the uses in the conversation.
Over the years running a construction business (and probably 20 or so different trucks) Ive found its always better to take the hit on fuel economy then to buy into the gimmicks. The difference is typically marginal in real world applications and the new tech always has problems quicker (Ive had numerous 5.3 V8s that were some of the best trucks I ever ran and as soon as AFM was introduced the durability of that engine took a nose dive)
Lol. I got 13-15 mpg max on my Bighorn with 3.21 gearing on 33' Geolandars G015's. Sold it because I felt something was wrong with the transmission. I'd be happy with anything near 18 mpg
I have a 2014 Pentastar and I've never been below 20mpg. Moved to Ram after my Silverado with the 5.3 V8 with the AFM blew up with only 75K miles on it. My Ram has just as much power as my old Silverado and has a more comfortable cabin with better features.
The best I've seen in my 2025 Rebel is 18.3MPG; calculated by hand on highway drive. The RAM's software is optimistic. The closest I've seen is .2 to my hand calculation. Most of us are reporting a light throttle engine surging problem which is very noticeable. So my .02 is that a more refined tune is needed in general to address that issue and others. The 3.92 gears and 33" tires and lift there's no way this thing will get 24 MPG. My inlaws have a 2WD 2015 5.0L Coyote and I think at best its gets 22 MPG.
The Rebel will be quite a bit worse MPG. Manufacturers don't have to give different ratings for different packages and rear gearing. So the gearing hurts, the tires hurt, the lift hurts. The EPA rating is for a crew, and 4x4, but it will be the normal, basic trim that gets the 24 mpg. That's just the rules the epa puts out.
I miss you including km and L/100 km. I also didn't get why there isn't a hemi to compare economy against in your chart seeing as you own one. Would also be curious to see the V6 pentastar results
I’ve bought 2 dakotas brand new, and 3 - Dodges (1) and (2) RAMS New, and none of them have lived up to the claim on the sticker. Doesn’t surprise me the Hurricane is the same way.
I had to look up what the first iteration of the 3.5L Eco's MPG was and it appears to have been around 15mpg. I wonder what the Hurricane's will be after more data comes in?
I really wish ram would adjust their mpg ratings like GM does. Ram rates the rebels with 3.92’s , taller more aggressive and heavier tires and a less aerodynamic bumper setup the same as a 3.21 equipped base model big horn. I had multiple rams and I’ve been in the forums for years and this has been a constant issue for new buyers. They see the sticker. Buy a maxed out rebel or limited that weighs up to 1000lbs more than a base model and are expecting the stated mpgs. And the get 4-5 less The epa should step in and make them modify ratings based off trims, gearing and weight. For this it’s a good real world example for people if they modify their trucks with bigger and heavier tires.
I have had the 2025 Ram Rebel Hurricane for 3-4 months. And can say that your test matches my results and testing. I bought the vehicle on the premise of achieving 24mpg on the highway and the best I have yet to achieve is 20. I’m assuming EPA tested the engine in a different trim and expected the same result. On a positive note, more than enough power for a truck and am impressed with its performance.
It would be important to note if you are on winter blend. That right there will cost you 2-3 mpg. This isn't a fuel friendly version. It's probably not broken in yet either.
@@TheGettyAdventures on these short tests, conditions can play a huge factor. An example is my last Mustang GT on a trip to Chicago from Reno, was getting 24 mpg the first tank going 75 mph but it was cold and windy (near freezing). The second tank was warmer and less windy and got 27 and it usually got 28+ mpg. Shorter tests can vary wildly good or bad
Well, that sucks but the Ram still has the option of factory air suspension which is a total game changer if you haul or tow a lot. Still better than going to a 2500 gas. 2500 Cummins beats them all but a ticking time bomb if it’s a grocery getter. Decisions decisions
They should've given this engine more displacement. Like a 4.0 or a 4.5 ltr. engine would've been better. They really need to take a step back and rethink it.
A good chance that you are right. A 4-4.5L engine may allow less throttle at a given speed. Frankly they should have made a 4L 4cylinder and 6L 6cylinder for a brute motor.
Be sure to test a etorque hemi. As far as the hurricane goes I have mixed feelings. I want ram to do well but I don't think this engine is very good. At least the high output has a lot of power.
What was the gear ratio of that Rebel most likely 3.92 which affect fuel economy as well as the offroad oriented tires. Plus that truck is still relatively new give it some time for proper break-in and fuel economy will most likely improve....Most of my Dodge/Ram trucks I have owned over the years start out with low fuel economy numbers but eventually they break-in, another thing is the longer you drive them the better the efficiency becomes if driven sanely which the majority of the press fleets trucks are abused from the onslaught which doesn't help them one bit.
there was about 8,000km/5000 miles on the truck. which I would comfortably say is broken in. and yes I agree the 3.92 gears and the aggressive tires don't help. but I still would of hoped for a better result.
That's unbelievably shitty. To put this into context, I averaged 15.1 mpg pulling my 18 foot flatbed with a 1975 Dodge Dart on it, from Wisconsin to Washington state and back. I was just over 20 mpg for a road trip to AZ with a crate in the bed last year, and that was the average for 4700 miles. Btw, I'm driving a 2020 Ram 1500 non e-torque Hemi, 4x4 offroad, 3.92 gears.
shhhh keep that to yourself lol I think as these engines get into more hands people will reliaze these engines are not really fuel efficient. Its a truck so you can't really complain but I think we were sold a lie that these new engines are more fuel efficient when in the real world thats probably not true
Country roads, 55mph is ideal for my hemi with the 8th gear shift point being up at 55 and down at 49... Easily get 26+ in that situation with lots of MDS activation. With mostly highway driving, I get 23-24 overall in my truck. This was massively disappointing to watch the hurricane fail so badly. Not that I was considering one anyways.
@ubeuonly he still needs to run a 5.7 on this loop but evidence points towards this engine being considerably less efficient. Smaller displacement and fewer cylinders does mean less piston ring circumference and therefore tends to lead to less oil consumption, yielding better emission levels however. I'm sure what's coming out of the tailpipe is better but it's still burning more fuel.
Highway MPG on my 2014 Ram 1500 Laramie Longhorn is about 19 to 20 with the cruise control set to 70 on flat roads. I can edge out around 22 MPG on that same route going at around 65 MPH. I believe my truck as a 3.55 ratio, but I can't remember off the top of my head. I drive that truck aggressively like a Scatpack, so I know I'd get horrid fuel numbers behind the wheel of these new trucks. 🤣🥴
Well it gets better mpgs than my 20 year old durango with the 5.7l v8 (~14 mpg mixed and best observed hwy mpg of 18.5). Still doesnt justify paying $50k+ for slightly better fuel economy and honestly, more potential headaches. Just my $0.02 :)
Theres only 3 turbo half ton engines i care about, and none of them are in a ram. The 2.7 turbo, the 2.7 turbo, and the 3.0 duramax. Honestly i think those are the 3 best half ton engines on the market. The 3.5 is just for big power numbers, the v8s are fun but less practical and the hurricaine has a lot of refinement to go. Duramax is an auto win for being the only diesel, the fact it has an exhuast brake is just a bonus
Hey. Today, November 11..2024, driving my 2020 ram 1500 rebel 5.7 hemi from NY to New Hampshire, [280mile] keep cruise 68 mph and impressive 21.5mpg....you pushed to 72-72mph... you get 18 mpg. In citi 12... towing 8-10 [ 9k lb]...
Another awesome review :) my favorite truck channel
About in line with what I would expect on that trim. I was hoping for more due to the design. My truck is almost the identical setup with the Hemi and I average about 16-17. People too often under estimate the hit of off-road tires and gears. Mine would hit 22-23 sometimes before upgrades impacted fuel economy. The lift maters a bit more on a 1500 due to the IFS angles of the CV shaft. Great content!
Can you clarify and expound on the last sentence? About the lift mattering more, is that meaning its more of a hit on MPG??
@ Correct, lifting a straight axle affects one longer driveline, however IDF has two shorter axles with at least double the loss. That’s if you don’t lower the front differential or transfer case.
My 3.6L gets 24mpg on the hwy, and 19 city. Towing I get 16mpg. 2019 Bighorn Crew cab with 20” wheels, and LT tires.
It's tough to beat the older technology sometimes, those trucks are pretty good!
I have a 3.6 in my 22 Warlock I get 17 in town with 3.21 gears but heavier Yokohama Geolander AT tires. For the size of the truck it’s hard to complain other than lack of torque.
@@PresidentMcAwesomesauceThe 3.6 has good output, but you’ve got to spin it.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q 100%. You have to get it up in the revs. It’s not a bad motor but more torque would help for sure.
@@user-tb7rn1il3qya like the old 4.7l v8
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So, mpg is shit, reliability (for the moment at least) is shit, the noise is shit , the value is shit (overpriced). Stelantis is really trying to go bankrupt. cuz even in Europe they are not doing great (HUGE problems with their 1.2 Purtec gas engines and 1.5 BlueHDi diesel)
The transmission is miles ahead. ZF is 10x better than the Ford 10 speed. It’s not even close. 😂
What about the ZF8 transmission is miles behind?
I call BS. The ZF 8HP is THE transmission to beat. Ask any transmission shop. You'll struggle to find a better RWD-biased transmission on the market for this segment.
@@philbrutsche8928 Yes, my bad. I forgot it was the 8 speed and was thinking about the 9 speed which has a lot of issues.
The engine's name is the best though
I can't wait to see the hemi out do this engine 😂 I'd love to see you get a rebel 5.7 for the direct comparison.
regular 5.7 1500 with 4.92 gears ('22) gets about 20 - 22 mpg on the highway... 16 - 17 in the city. etorque system trucks be basically the same since its barely gonna trigger in most situations with a/c or heat on.
@psd.3144 tell that to my 21 poor man's Rebel (CC Lonestar Hemi e-torque w/33" Michelin AT2 tires) a 3.92 4x4 33 gal tank. I avg 13.5 and maybe 18 mpg on the freeway driving like a grandma.
When I drove my ex girlfriend's 05' Ram 5.7 Hemi with 220k miles, 3.92 gears 4wd I could get 22 mpg at just under 70 mph but that's working the throttle just right. Normally a safe bet was 17-20.
@@Whiskeybende Cars/trucks from the 2000s get the same or gooder mpg than newer vehicles. It's a conspiracy theory that new vehicles get better gas mileage, I don't see it. And or 1 or 2 more mpg isn't that great 2 decades later with more parts to fail.
@@shady497I was going to say. Other channels with the Hemi Rebel get about 18 mpg on the highway babying it.
i want a 3L duramax now :)
I highly recommend one
That engine is like activating a cheat code. ;)
I wish GM would gives a 4.0 V8 duramax in the 2500 frame. Like a silverado 2000HD or something. I'd love the heavier duty build quality and longevity of a 2500, but I really don't want the fuel economy of a 6.6 liter gas or diesel engine. Honestly I'd even take the 3.0 in a 2500 chassis to get it, but at least with a 4.0 V8 there would be a middle ground for those who need a bit more than a 1500, but not necessarily a 6.6.
Ram's biggest mistake was getting rid of the 3.0L diesel with nothing to replace it. Go GM!
@@larrygray1557It was the best thing ever by getting rid of the 3.0 grenade..
Excellent summary at the end comparing it to your HD truck with the 6.4. That Hurricane needs some improvement.
This tells me that Ford really did hit a home run with their EcoBoost. I had a 2019 F150 and now a 2024 F150. I have nothing but praise for the 3.5 liter. Good MPGs most of the time. I say "most of the time" cuz when you hook on a trailer of any weight....you'll burn some fuel....but they pull effortlessly.
Okay, I'm now a subscriber. Your reviews are very fair and informitive.
Well, I'm very glad I chose my 5.3l Silverado after watching this.
It's a Rebel. I had one for three years. Everything about it has nothing to do with fuel economy. I bought the Rebel for its off road chops, not fuel economy. On a long trip on the interstate, I would average 18.5 to 19.7 and I thinks that GREAT for what it is! My 2023 Limited Longhorn, 3.21 gears and a HEMI, gets 22.5 to 24.2 on the highway all day long! it's a completely different configuration than the Rebel and makes a BIG difference with gas mileage.
Yeah the rebel is a great truck, it's just not made for fuel economy.
Exactly. It’s on LT e range Duratracs 😂
My Big Horn 23 hemi averages 12.5l per 100km and best I've seen highway was 10.8l per 100km. Now my Big Horn has the 3.23 rear gear and all the Rebels and or even the old outdoorsman Trim just sucks fuel unfortunately but they due have the 3.92 rear gear
A rebel is barely more capable offroad. It's not that big of a difference. 3.0 is just thirsty
@@cstgx Its lifted with heavy LT E-range Duratracs. It will get noticeably worse MPG
My 2025 Rebel is at 1800 miles and I completely agree with your test. As for my opinion of my Rebel, it has a lot of power but the turbos are lazy and the ECU software is garbage. I have had to take it to the dealer already for updates and will probably need to do it more times. Fix the factory tune stellantis!
I agreed, the tune just seemed odd. The ecoboost engines just seem to be seemless with their turbos where this engine just seemed unsure if it wanted boost or not.
I think its hard to underestimate the impact of this being a Rebel. It's got every change youd make if you wanted to reduce fuel economy. The tires, a slight lift , the gearing and a less aerodynamic fascia. I look forward to the test with a more standard 1500.
I get 15 to 16 in my F350 with a 7.3 V8. With 35s.
My 2016 Ram 1500 crew cab 5.7 with a 2 in level and 35” KO2’s gets 17 on the highway and 14-15 in town. This is a really disappointing result for the new ram in my opinion. I’m on the hunt for a new truck and love rams but I’m not paying 50-60k for a truck that’s no more efficient than the one I have now.
@@SteegeFish With the 3.92 gearing, I would expect this kind of MPG! hAD HE TESTED THE same truck with the 33.21 gearing, the MPG would have been much different!!
@@wayneowen5864 my truck has the same 3.92 gearing. This engine should still be more efficient than my 225k mile hemi. It’s not and that’s disappointing. It’s not at the top of my list for my next truck for that reason.
Nice review and test as usual. My 2021 Ram 2500 Cummins stock. Highway between northern Maryland and Delaware averages 23 to 24 mpg. I’ll keep it.
Very surprising, i was expecting this to beat the competition
My 21 5.7l hemi got 21mp. And yes it was hand calculated. Trip from Iowa to Colorado
Always enjoy your videos. After watching your videos, I pulled the trigger on a new 2024 level 1 Power Wagon. She's thirsty, buy oh so cool!
The Rebel I had several years ago was a rough rider for sure. Test drive took place on the smoothest road in Illinois. Later realized it came with 10 ply tires!
Great video, keep up the good work
Great job man on your reviews.
maybe you got shitty gas down there lol idk the math is pretty black and white. but ultimately it doesn matter what route you run as long as you run the same route to see which engines do better.
@alex thx for review. Patiently waiting for the 5.7 mileage test. 😂
A 5.7 Rebel, not broken in and on winter blend fuel, would be lucky to average 17 mpg on this test.
Hurricane 6 has a lot of power, which means more fuel. The 3.92 gears don't help. I would expect a non lifted truck to get 2 mpg more, maybe 3. It's not great, but it has a ton of power (13.5 1/4 mile is insane).
Agreed, TONS of power is right. and fuel economy is just something not to be expected which that much power I guess lol
Thanks for the great review.
I actually have a new fully loaded. Rebel ordered. Should be here in a week or two. I test drove one a couple months ago and I was thoroughly impressed with a fuel mileage. I drove highway city combined. It was doing 9.1 L per hundred.
That would be around 25 US miles per gallon
my current hemi is good but that’s easily 2 to 3 miles per gallon difference.
I personally think the truck is amazing even though I’m a V8 guy.
Wonder if there’s some type of break-in on that truck before it gets good fuel mileage very strange
My 22 5.7 ram with 275/70/18 wildpeaks gets 19 mpg combined. Looking forward to the next review
My 2020 Ram 1500 crew cab with 22” Night edition rims got 19 mpg on the highway at best. Now I have the factory 18” Warlock rims with 34.5” Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT tires, 2.5 lift and I’m getting 16 mpg highway.
A redo test on a more common ‘highway’/conventional truck would also show the difference between a platform designed for efficiency, vs one marketed to the ‘offroad’ crowd. I’d place money on the lower ride height, one with a lower valance air dam and low resistance rolling highway tire will add at least 1mpg to those numbers, possibly even 2mpg. It would showcase what you’re giving up (fuel economy) when you choose those packages.
Great review Alex! Can you do a review comparing an old 1990s model to a new 2024 model to compare the differences and improvements/advancements in technology over the years?!
I had a 2018 Rebel 5.7l with the air suspension and I was getting 21 on the highway at 65 mph on the highway. It was from one side of town to the other in El Paso TX on I-10. Calculated at the pump not on the onboard computer
Nice seeing you listen to some Bad Omens during your test 🤘🏻🤘🏻rock on man
Big Horn crew 4x4 with 3.55 will get the advertised 24mpg all day long on the highway.
Maybe.. I hope so
Had a Ram 1500 extended cab 4X4 with the 3.6L. It had the tow package with a higher gear ration and on the highway up to 70 mph I could pull in excess of 24 mpg throughout hills no problem. Sure, it wasn't the Hemi nor did it have that kind of horsepower, but I also ran all-terrain tires and drove it like I just robbed a bank. Neither my previous F150 or GMC Sierra came close to the performance or fuel mileage and those were both lighter 2WD trucks.
In a comparison test you want to be as close to "all things being equal" as possible. Testing a Rebel put this vehicle at a significant disadvantage vs the competition.
Would love to see the 3.0 duramax on this and the towing test
very much agreed, trying to beg GM to give me one.
It would be great to see how it fairs compared to the turbomax, the power figures are similar but I bet the smoothness would be unmatched
A rebel with the hemi comparison is what I would like to know haha!
Just wanted to say, i love your channel and content. Correct me if I'm wrong, did i see you pumping regular fuel in the video? I've heard that the standard output engine performs better with premium. Worth a retest?
Greetings Alex.
Great decision now is you correct choice on configuration.
May be now the great decision and correct choice could be a diésel engine. 😮
Only if you wish is improvement the MPG.
Anyway, I declare myself a fan of the Hurricane engine. In an increasingly competitive world, I hope it doesn't ruin the RAM company.
😮 GRACIAS Y TE MANDO UN ABRAZOTE DESDE CDMX; MÉXICO! 😮
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The 3L looks to be a solid options, hopefully overtime it will prove that to be true
My '25 3.0L Big Horn 4x4 managed to get 23.8 mpg over 70 miles of southwestern Missouri freeway driving that consists of large rolling hills. Granted it takes 89 octane and consistant conservative acceleration to get that.
We bought a 2025 Laramie with the standard output 3.0 Hurricane. It is 4wd with 3.92 gears. We replaced the tires with BFG Trail Terrain the same size as the original tires. Not as aggressive as the Goodyear that you tested. Just took a trip through the Texas Hill Country. It was combined city and highway. We were traveling 70-75 on the highway. When I filled up I hand calculated the mileage at 19.7. I believe it will be better when the engine breaks in.
Keep telling yourself that. ODO on this one shows "5365 mi". 1:53 mark
@@TheKingOfInappropriateCommentsThat's barely broken in because I'm betting that's kilometers. I see break in by 6,000 Miles.
@@302Mustang13 It says "MI" not "KM".
@@TheKingOfInappropriateComments He's in Canada, so km is a reasonable assumption. I never bother measuring mpgs until I get past 6,000 miles.
@@302Mustang13 1:53. You can fact check me. I'm making it easy for you.
As a comparison, you should try this economy loop with an F150 Tremor 3.5l ecoboost. Similar tire and differential setup. I wonder how much loss in economy over the previous test F150. Luv the videos.
What rpm does it end up at with the giant tires combined with short axle, when doing the 70 mph? Do those things pretty much cancel each other, or is the rpm surprisingly high?
I really enjoy the 2.7 turbomax in my silverado. The more I compare it to everything but fords 2.7, the more impressive it becomes. The GM 5.3/6.2 are also very impressive, although they have the lifter problems, so I would avoid them.
Ive been getting around 19.4 highway mpg with my 2013 ram with the 5.7 hemi (calculated at the pump). And around 16.5-17mpg most other places
Ford had powertrain engineers who figured out, what, 20 years ago? Turbocharged engines with lower displacement exist solely to be "cycle beaters," meaning they can be driven with dampened throttle inputs for fuel economy testing and turn out good numbers on paper.
Damn your power wagon getting better MPG than my old '17 rebel😂
I had a 2020 Ram Limited 4x4 without eTorque. I think it had 3:23 gears, I can’t quite remember but I know it wasn’t the 3:90 something or another option.
On a highway cruise at 70mph it would get 22-24 mpg.
I liked the truck a lot but had traded a 2018 tuned Raptor for it, so I grew tired of how weak the Hemi felt in comparison.
22 months with the Ram and I was back in a Raptor. A 2019 this time and had the MPT 93 PRX tune loaded by the third day.
The Raptor has 4:10 gearing and at 65mph stays around 19.5-20.5 mpg.
Normal driving with stop and go drops it down to 14-15mpg, depending on my mood.
I did 500 mile road trip with my Laramie 3.0 3.92 gears and got 24 MPG. In comparison I did the same trip several times with my 2019 Hemi with 3.21 gears and got 22 mpg. So about 2 MPG better with the bigger gears.
The hp rating can be deceiving. At what rpm does it get 420hp? I’ll be keeping my hemi …
5200rpm vs the 5.7's 395 @ 5600. Torque curve is really the more important measure though.
@@ALMX5DPu understand the ole mopar magnum 360 made power at lower rpm than the 5.7….
@@privateer9181 I did not know that the 5.9 Magnum made more power at a lower RPM than the current generation 5.7 Hemi. How much power did the Magnum make and at what rpm? How much power does the 5.7 make at the same RPM? And what does any of that have to do with my comment? lol
@ what im saying anyone who thinks the 5.7 makes more,power because it has a lower top end prolly also thinks the 360 makes more power at the end of the day all im saying is that the 3.0 isnt just more powerful than the hemi..its VASTLY more power..because it makes torque way way lower…..everyone who buys anhurricane will have a 3/36 warantyengine thats vastly more powerful than a hemi with a 3/36 warranty. I guess the question is …can they get to 200k
Assuming they have winter fuel blends in Canada. That also drops fuel mileage.
I have a 2019 Big Horn, 4wd, and commute 54 miles a day for work in Seattle. I average about 17 mpg in 4wd auto. On road trips I get about 18.5 mpg.
Can't argue with that
Could you do a review/towing test on a Ford Powerboost? (3.5/hybrid)
My 25 Ram SST gets 24 on the hwy, but only 12 in the city. Don't know where they got that 17 in the city figure. So far I really like this truck.😊
good to see your pw I got scared you got rid of her
Would love to see an update video on your Power Wagon!
Ram is trying to catch Ford, but are unable to. Ecoboost is superior. Great videos.
I’m sure Henry ford’s balls are silky smooth with amount of gargling you’re doing.
1 inch lift, bigger tires, 3.92 gears, no chin spoiler, no air suspension (that option doesn't do well in our col and salty environment) all make a big difference over the other trim levels in the 1500 line up. Ram doesn't give different fuel figures for the 1500s other than the TRX. Other companies are a bit more honest. With my 2024 1500 Rebel I wish I got mileage like that 2025 Rebel. I am lucky to see 15 L per 100km, 12 is a pipe dream. Let me know if you want an apples to apples comparison, my rebel only has 8000km so it's still new. Send me the distances and speed of your route and I'll send you what I get for a similar run around the Halifax area.
I know that the other trims of the 1500 get significantly better fuel economy. A better comparison for the Rebel might be with a Tremor. Just saying.
Great review, thanks.
Imagine that truck in real world of traffic, traffic light ideling in the drive through.. sitting in the driveway warning up to get that snow melted off .
in my '13 ram 1500 hemi, 3:55 rear 6apd short bed driving from ft lauderdale to md i averaged 24mpg.
I-95 was very flat most of the way 😉
I have a 2020 NBS Ram 1500 with a 3" lift and 35's. The 5.7 etorque and 3.92 gears. It struggles to hit 16 mpg on the highway at those speeds. Around town I'm usually looking at 12. I definitely would prefer to have a 6.4 powerwagon at this point for the front locker. You can't even add a front locker to a 1500 Ram. I'm getting terrible MPG anyway, might as well have a Powerwagon.
When you test the 5.7 you’ll find it better. I get 18 with my 6.4 2500 as well
The in-line 6 is an awesome starting point. In the hurricane they just did not execute part of it very well apparently . The GM 3.0 LZ0 would dominate this loop.
Likely best to talk in freedom units and most Canadians can read Merican. V8 imo will always be the best option for a truck and v6 for a midsize suv or car, 4 cylinders turbo for the racers.
You should do this test with the non power wagon 6.4 Ram 2500. I bet it would put up the same or similar numbers as that rebel.
I would be happy with that... Lol I have the same truck and 15.1 is the best I have had yet. Get 14 mpg on the highway
Ram better go back to the drawing boards on the engine. Either that, bring back the 5.7 Hemi. BTW Alex, Good job!
The Heaviest and most powerful truck with mud tires shockingly got slightly worse milage. I can't believe it!
I know right!
Slightly worse?
Most powerful?? So it's 20hp more than an 3.5EB and 40lbft shy of the 3.5EB, and it's missing 2 gears(o underwrite and one overdrive). My 3.5EB beat Alex's test empty and pulling a 40ft 12k 13' tall fifthwheel(way more wind resistance) at 105km/h over 500km in Norther Ontario. 3.55axle 33.2" tall rubber and 20" rims. I can get 9.5l/100km(24.57mpg) at 110km/h and when towing I'm only using 22-27l/100km(8.7-10.6mpg) at 105 max, locked into 8th(0.85:1). The issue with the lack of oomph and poor economy is the fact that the motor is operating BELOW the BMEP of 3600rpm(3.5EB BMEP is 2600-3500rpm). That motor can make good torque there, but it's too low for the efficiency to play out if he cut 2 gears it would be much better. A diesel(13-15l) BMEP is 1100-1400rpm and that's why then pull welland get better mileage than the older trucks did down low(older trucks needed more 1400-1700rpm)
@@jnk26sorry the tremor almost blew up on the TFL toaster. Cope more
@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel so a slow speed test at extreme altitude(low airflow and high load) determines what in Alex's testing or my real world multiple year multiple truck experience? The toaster test is absolutely brutal and no comparison to either of the uses in the conversation.
Over the years running a construction business (and probably 20 or so different trucks) Ive found its always better to take the hit on fuel economy then to buy into the gimmicks. The difference is typically marginal in real world applications and the new tech always has problems quicker (Ive had numerous 5.3 V8s that were some of the best trucks I ever ran and as soon as AFM was introduced the durability of that engine took a nose dive)
My 19' 5th gen ram with 5.7 4x4 and 3:23 gears (i think) gets 22 mpg hwy at 5-10 mph over the speed limit
Lol. I got 13-15 mpg max on my Bighorn with 3.21 gearing on 33' Geolandars G015's. Sold it because I felt something was wrong with the transmission. I'd be happy with anything near 18 mpg
Try this test again in different trim level. Rebels are known to get significantly less MPG than other trim level Rams.
I have a 2014 Pentastar and I've never been below 20mpg. Moved to Ram after my Silverado with the 5.3 V8 with the AFM blew up with only 75K miles on it. My Ram has just as much power as my old Silverado and has a more comfortable cabin with better features.
The best I've seen in my 2025 Rebel is 18.3MPG; calculated by hand on highway drive. The RAM's software is optimistic. The closest I've seen is .2 to my hand calculation. Most of us are reporting a light throttle engine surging problem which is very noticeable. So my .02 is that a more refined tune is needed in general to address that issue and others. The 3.92 gears and 33" tires and lift there's no way this thing will get 24 MPG. My inlaws have a 2WD 2015 5.0L Coyote and I think at best its gets 22 MPG.
The Rebel will be quite a bit worse MPG. Manufacturers don't have to give different ratings for different packages and rear gearing. So the gearing hurts, the tires hurt, the lift hurts. The EPA rating is for a crew, and 4x4, but it will be the normal, basic trim that gets the 24 mpg. That's just the rules the epa puts out.
I miss you including km and L/100 km. I also didn't get why there isn't a hemi to compare economy against in your chart seeing as you own one. Would also be curious to see the V6 pentastar results
Thank you
Would like to compare it to a At4x or Tremor. See if their mileage suffers as bad as the Ram with higher gears, small lift, larger tires
I’ve bought 2 dakotas brand new, and 3 - Dodges (1) and (2) RAMS New, and none of them have lived up to the claim on the sticker. Doesn’t surprise me the Hurricane is the same way.
I had to look up what the first iteration of the 3.5L Eco's MPG was and it appears to have been around 15mpg. I wonder what the Hurricane's will be after more data comes in?
I really wish ram would adjust their mpg ratings like GM does.
Ram rates the rebels with 3.92’s , taller more aggressive and heavier tires and a less aerodynamic bumper setup the same as a 3.21 equipped base model big horn.
I had multiple rams and I’ve been in the forums for years and this has been a constant issue for new buyers. They see the sticker. Buy a maxed out rebel or limited that weighs up to 1000lbs more than a base model and are expecting the stated mpgs. And the get 4-5 less
The epa should step in and make them modify ratings based off trims, gearing and weight.
For this it’s a good real world example for people if they modify their trucks with bigger and heavier tires.
I have had the 2025 Ram Rebel Hurricane for 3-4 months. And can say that your test matches my results and testing. I bought the vehicle on the premise of achieving 24mpg on the highway and the best I have yet to achieve is 20. I’m assuming EPA tested the engine in a different trim and expected the same result. On a positive note, more than enough power for a truck and am impressed with its performance.
You are seeking the Honda Ridgeline if you want fuel economy like that. I got 26 in mine before the trade in.
My 5.7 Hemi gets 21 mpg. I would be interested in seeing how the Ram 2500 with the 6.4 Hemi does.
It would be important to note if you are on winter blend. That right there will cost you 2-3 mpg. This isn't a fuel friendly version. It's probably not broken in yet either.
Agreed, but I still was hoping for a better result. the 2.7L and 3.5L ecoboost were tested in January last year.
@@TheGettyAdventures on these short tests, conditions can play a huge factor. An example is my last Mustang GT on a trip to Chicago from Reno, was getting 24 mpg the first tank going 75 mph but it was cold and windy (near freezing). The second tank was warmer and less windy and got 27 and it usually got 28+ mpg. Shorter tests can vary wildly good or bad
Well, that sucks but the Ram still has the option of factory air suspension which is a total game changer if you haul or tow a lot. Still better than going to a 2500 gas. 2500 Cummins beats them all but a ticking time bomb if it’s a grocery getter. Decisions decisions
They should've given this engine more displacement. Like a 4.0 or a 4.5 ltr. engine would've been better. They really need to take a step back and rethink it.
How would that fix the mpg outcome?
@EGGINFOOLS simple. Look at how the V8's did when compared to the smaller turbo charged engines. That should be self-explanitory.
A good chance that you are right. A 4-4.5L engine may allow less throttle at a given speed. Frankly they should have made a 4L 4cylinder and 6L 6cylinder for a brute motor.
Guess I'll be keeping my Silverado
Be sure to test a etorque hemi. As far as the hurricane goes I have mixed feelings. I want ram to do well but I don't think this engine is very good. At least the high output has a lot of power.
Are all the trucks in the test set up with 4wd? Same tires, condition and pressure? All have the same lift? All that makes a difference.
What was the gear ratio of that Rebel most likely 3.92 which affect fuel economy as well as the offroad oriented tires. Plus that truck is still relatively new give it some time for proper break-in and fuel economy will most likely improve....Most of my Dodge/Ram trucks I have owned over the years start out with low fuel economy numbers but eventually they break-in, another thing is the longer you drive them the better the efficiency becomes if driven sanely which the majority of the press fleets trucks are abused from the onslaught which doesn't help them one bit.
there was about 8,000km/5000 miles on the truck. which I would comfortably say is broken in. and yes I agree the 3.92 gears and the aggressive tires don't help. but I still would of hoped for a better result.
Jammin' some Bad Omens
That's unbelievably shitty. To put this into context, I averaged 15.1 mpg pulling my 18 foot flatbed with a 1975 Dodge Dart on it, from Wisconsin to Washington state and back. I was just over 20 mpg for a road trip to AZ with a crate in the bed last year, and that was the average for 4700 miles. Btw, I'm driving a 2020 Ram 1500 non e-torque Hemi, 4x4 offroad, 3.92 gears.
shhhh keep that to yourself lol I think as these engines get into more hands people will reliaze these engines are not really fuel efficient. Its a truck so you can't really complain but I think we were sold a lie that these new engines are more fuel efficient when in the real world thats probably not true
@TheGettyAdventures I agree. I get a new truck every 3 or 4 years, but I'm driving this one until it's rotted in half.
Country roads, 55mph is ideal for my hemi with the 8th gear shift point being up at 55 and down at 49... Easily get 26+ in that situation with lots of MDS activation. With mostly highway driving, I get 23-24 overall in my truck. This was massively disappointing to watch the hurricane fail so badly. Not that I was considering one anyways.
Knowing that emissions and fuel economy are the most important things to car makers..I'm sure that ram didn't make a less efficient model engine
@ubeuonly he still needs to run a 5.7 on this loop but evidence points towards this engine being considerably less efficient. Smaller displacement and fewer cylinders does mean less piston ring circumference and therefore tends to lead to less oil consumption, yielding better emission levels however. I'm sure what's coming out of the tailpipe is better but it's still burning more fuel.
This engine would be perfect for a smaller truck that’s less than 4000lbs. They should have made this engine a 4L.
What truck do you envision is under 4000lbs? Even a base model extended cab 2wd Frontier is 4400lbs.
Exactly what I was thinking.
@ My 2007 4.0L V6 Toyota Tacoma is under 4000lbs.
@@adamg3911 that's a near 20 year old truck now though, and even that just barely squeaks under without any options or accessories.
@ my mistake, 4100lbs with the factory supercharger kit.
MAybe if you had tested the truck with the 3.21:1 gear ration, it would have done much better! What was the gear ratio's of the other trucks??
Highway MPG on my 2014 Ram 1500 Laramie Longhorn is about 19 to 20 with the cruise control set to 70 on flat roads. I can edge out around 22 MPG on that same route going at around 65 MPH. I believe my truck as a 3.55 ratio, but I can't remember off the top of my head. I drive that truck aggressively like a Scatpack, so I know I'd get horrid fuel numbers behind the wheel of these new trucks. 🤣🥴
you should do it with the 3.55 gears
Well it gets better mpgs than my 20 year old durango with the 5.7l v8 (~14 mpg mixed and best observed hwy mpg of 18.5). Still doesnt justify paying $50k+ for slightly better fuel economy and honestly, more potential headaches. Just my $0.02 :)
Theres only 3 turbo half ton engines i care about, and none of them are in a ram. The 2.7 turbo, the 2.7 turbo, and the 3.0 duramax. Honestly i think those are the 3 best half ton engines on the market. The 3.5 is just for big power numbers, the v8s are fun but less practical and the hurricaine has a lot of refinement to go. Duramax is an auto win for being the only diesel, the fact it has an exhuast brake is just a bonus
What is the fuel economy on ford's 2.7 and 3.5l Eco with fx4 style of road trims or tremor ?
I;d like to see the same test completed with a Laramie or Limited - OK. The Limited would have the HO Hurricane engine. But still ....