I can imagine the conversation in the Peugeot factory: _"Zut alors Pierre, le cent six is making too much power, insurance companies will not like zis"_ "Ce n'est pas un problème Jean-Paul, we just squeeze down zis little pipe and power is gone"
Oww yeah, that bottleneck in the inlet! With every TU engine I replaced it with the same rubber inlet tube from an Alfa 155, which was big. All of the TU engines are soooo rev-happy, the 16 valve as well as the 8 valve ones, but from my experience the powerband of the 8 valve is just more brilliant. They may need a new headgasket at about every 100k to 150k kms, but they work effortless. Well, I have to admit I do have a thing for these engines, that's why I had a lot of them. Not because I broke them but because they all ride sooooo nice, it really is my favourite: 1989 Citroën AX 1.1i 44kw with a 4 speed, red 3 doors. Best allround package of these cars and only 648kg. 1995 Citroën AX 1.1i 44kw with a 5 speed, green 5 doors. Comfortable but a bit boring, just didn't want to die. 1990 Citroën BX 1.4i Cannes 55kw with a 5 speed, white. Bought with blown headgasket which I fixed, as well as HP suspension. Epic wollowy handling on the limit. 1992 Peugeot 106 1.1i 44kw, white van. Not to be called economical due to worn TBI, but very fast indeed. 1993 Peugeot 106 1.4 diesel 37kw, blue. Not so fast, but very economical and never missed a beat, went to the middle of Sweden and had to floor it to and and from there, exhaust fell of which annoyed a lot of people at Jonkoping, fixed at campsite 1989 Peugeot 205 1.1i 44kw, grey. Put a Supersprint exhaust on it, sounded epic and revved like no other. 1997 Peugeot 205 1.4i 55kw, green. Put the 1.6 GTI wheels on it with some wider Accelere budget sports tyres, couldn't unstick it in corners. Believe me, I tried. 1997 Peugeot 205 1.4i 55kw on LPG, blue. Super economical for a commuter car, otherwise pretty boring, nothing went wrong apart from me crashing into the side of a brand new 207 due to hidden ice on the road, the 207 was instantly totalled with some pretty nasty damage, but the 205 only needed a new bumper, left fender and a new headlight. And it was 1 cm less wide than before, the grill wouldn't easily fit. 1996 Peugeot 306 Break 1.4i 55kw, blue. Comfortable and loads of space, needed a new clutch which I replaced with the help of a friend and then the gearbox cracked. Sad. 1997 Peugeot 306 sedan 1.4i 55kw on LPG, blue. Bought with blown headgasket for €250, had to fix the headgasket 3 times in 3 months due to the head being cracked internally. 2001 Peugeot 306 Break 1.6i 72kw, red. Easily the fastest in the row. This engine with multipoint injection was in essence the 106 1.6 Rallye engine, is a true gem in this combo. Felt like the most epic last hooraaaa for the 8 valve TU before they were slowly being fased out. Btw this list is not chronologically in order, apart from the first, the red AX 1.1 and the last, the red 306 Break 1.6. Nor does this list accounts for all of the cars I had since I got my license 20 yrs ago, that list should be 100+ cars by now. And no I'm not a dealer or trader, because I don't have the ability to trade, I'm just an overly passionate enthousiastical car nut and some sort of a mechanic when I choose to be.
I absolutely love these engines. I had a 2000 Citroen Xsara estate with the 2.0 136hp, and it went like stink. Once did 211kmh which is 3kmh above its book figure, although at its 208kmh mark it did start making noises it previously didn't. Absolutely brilliant car with no other issues than doorhandles that didnt like the cold and would break off, and an exhaust that would eat itself due to my driving style. I'm currently in the process of perhaps trading in my 2015 Peugeot 208 with its 1.0 turbo 3cyl (rather capable) for a 2002 Peugeot 406 with the same 2.0l engine my Xsara had. I also have a 1997 Peugeot 605 2.0 Turbo with the 8 valve, and a slight tune (thanks to previous owner), making about 10-15 hp above its stock figures, and also previously had a 1996 106 GTi which gained an induction leak before i accidentally totalled it.
@@Hipas_Account TCT (XU/TE) is easily the best PSA engine. Still looking for a 1st gen Eurovan with that engine. In the book they are even quicker than the 2gen with the V6. Keep in mind the 406 2.0 could be slower and handle worse than the Xsara, so don't be disappointed😉
@@kurtkromer9988 Won't be disappointed since it looks better than the Xsara wagon, is bigger and worth more, plus thanks to the French Taxi movies, it has been one of my attainable dream cars for many years now.
As you can see from my profile picture Im a proud owner of one of the rarest PSA vehicles of all time, Citroen AX Sport, inherited from my lovely father, with the TU24 M4A 1.3l ''95 hp'' same as the 205 really with 103hp an extra 8hp because of the airbox being much wider, than the AX craaaazy for such a small modification, in fact the 1.3 liter in these is based in the 1.1 liter that this peugeot has, but with two twin weber 40s gulping excessive amounts of petrol ahah but you gotta love that sound and rawness And I can say with confidence these little tin cans are so badass and so quick and people don't even imagine, a while go I was visiting my girlf and came across a Golf 6 GTI who thought it was quick in the mountain roads...little did he know I was about to show him the power of being light and nimble 🤣 when I overtook him...the guy's face was priceless being gapped by such an old car. People really forget about the weight and just talk about raw power numbers and figures on a paper sheet... The feeling you get from the light old cars is undescribable ...
Saw 110mph on the clock of my mother’s Saxo 1.1 back in the day. I remember slowly pulling away at 90mph from a Discovery who had been tailgating me on a motorway
Glad to see this. Had my phase 1 306 with the 1.6 TU5 measured on the dyno recently. Its supposed to have 88hp factory, got measured in at 96.75hp with no modifications done to it. These TU engines are great.
@@tomrucroft9509 it would be interesting to see what lighter gear oil and engine oil would do. from internal readings my Z19DTH took 80NM to idle on 5W-30, going to 0W-40 it dropped to 65NM to idle and it picked up 4-5MPG with being noticeably faster on the throttle.
Modern TUs engines like this 106 have a lot of different things than the old ones. - Lighter Pistons with shorter skirt - Better conrod ratio with higher Piston pin - Lighter camshaft pulley - Roller Rockers - Multipoint full injection A TU1 monopoint on AX is different than a KFX/KFW on post 2000 engines. "60HP" is a commercial barrier for selling these 1.1 engines at this era. You can make a really great 1.4 TU with cast iron block (106 XSI), stock forged half 8 Counterweights crankshaft (alway 106 XSI) and all "modern" TU internals (conrods, pistons ...). You lost the smooth/low end torque from XSI internals (pistons with offset pins ... already at this time before "Offset" fashion!) but gain top end/peak power.
This is on reason why the 106/ saxo with the hfx/Kfx (kfw) are so underrated. Just take an light weight car that was constructed in the early 90ies and put a "modern" mulitpoint engine of the next generation (the 206) into this old frame....🙂.
@@RonSummer Imagine a modern 1.0 (high volumetric ratio, offseted crank, DLC everywhere, variable timing pulleys... and i forgot a lot) with 3 cylinders in an AX of 715Kg. Progress is not decreasing consumption. The progress is to have these consumptions stagnating in “barges” of 1200Kgs distorting space-time! Safety, safety... Who is shocked to still see (!) motorcycles freely circulating on our roads? Is a two-wheeler safer than a 715kg vehicle?
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For the same reason my bone stock mk2 clio 1.6 feels so quick now... it weighs bugger all and that k4m is a rev happy little monster! I remember driving my other half's Saxo 1.1 and assumed it'd be a limp little thing. Turns out it was a rapid little thing for it's modest size and also handled incredibly well! Cracking little motors. The VTS must have been a wild little ride!
I had a 2001 106 Quiksilver which should’ve been 75hp. It was three years old when I bought it and roller’d it whiteout any mods and it was 80hp out of the box One year later with a a 4 to 1 manifold, Kent Fast road cam and a carbon intake with a S/Steel centre pipe and peco back box and it was 105hp I then bought a 1.6 16v engine to put in it and done the same mods but with matched manifolds and forged pistons and without a remap it still pulled 155hp I love PSA engines 😁
Same as the later 1.1 Saxo Desire it was only supposed to have like 70bhp but has 82bhp and will do 120mph due to long 5th gear and blow its head gasket lol as i found out
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@@devilax03 My mate had a late face-lift AX GTi, a genuinely quick little motor! I assume it had a variant of the valver as fitted later on to the VTS. Genuinely astonishingly quick! That coming from someone who had a maestro converted to run a 2.0 16 valve!
The AX GTi had the 8v engine, but it was a real screamer making 99bhp at 6600 RPM. I had one for a couple of years and it was a lot of fun, though the brakes were barely adequate for the performance.
These cars are amazing. I had a 306 with a tube style air filter when i was 19. It was a 1.6L TU5 engine with 8 valves. When i removed it and fitted a cone air filter and aluminum tubes it really flew like crazy, not to mention it went all the way to 210 km/h, when before it didnt go faster than 175km/h
This engine here is the "hfx" with the multipoint injection instead of the ealier monopoint injection. These engines were designed for the 206 sold from 1998 up to 2013. However, in the last few years of the production these engines were assembled in the 106 (between 1998/1999 and 2003). Officially, the new injection system of the hfx led to a higher torque (94 instead of 88) but without any gain in bhp ...the cars were still sold as 60bhp engines. ... I think they were just too lazy or "forgot" to re-measure the performance, which would probably have resulted in a reclassification.
A healthy 64bhp! Please please please can I bring my 1992 ax GT down and put that on the rollers. It's far from a garage queen, but it's my ax and it's ❤❤
The 106 is such a special little car for me. I had a 1.4 as my second car and I loved it so much. I even took it to track days and had the time of my life 😃
First thing I did to my 1.1 Saxo was to remove that narrow pipe and put a straight piece in. Glad to finally know many years later that it did actually make a difference :)
You are the UK version of Dank Pods with the enthusiastic way - his channel 'Garbage Time' is a great car channel too. Always had a real soft spot for the 106 and the facelift era was when peugeot were really on their game for styling. Great video
going above 5500 isn't pointless: change gear up at 5500 and you end up near 3500 rpm (50 hp), change at 6000 and you end up closer to 4000 (58/59 hp). You want to keep the average bhp as high as possible. When going for top speed, whatever gear keeps you close to 5500 obviously. Had a 1.1 AX as my first car, chose it because it had a decent engine with very low weight, and good aero. It was quite quick.
TU’s are amazing engines. I once had an AX 1.1i on loan when my 309GTI was in for a body repair. I was amazed at how rev happy and fast that little thing zipped along!
Woooo goooo Dumpit! I had a 1.1 TU in my 205 and it always felt pretty potent! Not surprised Dumpit pulls so well. I must admit thinking back I always thought of the TU engines as a bit cheaper/less engineered than the XU ones. Watching this I was clearly mistaken!
My sister used to own a nice one of these. She once managed to reach just over 100mph in her little purple M-reg Citroen AX Spree, with 4-speed 954 power. They are much better than Mini Coopers, incredibly quick for what they are. Reliable, too. With 50bhp, it would have been one of the first TU9's to get fuel injection. It did start getting bloody noisy when she got it past 70mph.
TU series engines were awesome. I owned a Saxo VTR on a T plate from new in 1999, it was supposed to have 90 bhp, but that thing was a little rocket. My mate at the time had just bought an Escort GTI with the 1.8 Zetec rated at 115 bhp and he couldn’t live with my little Saxo. I loved that car, severely underrated. I had a drive in the VTS version as well and while it was quicker outright I actually preferred my VTR.
Incredible, well done dumpit! I can't even imagine even an exceptionally well cared for 20yr old German or Japanese motor improving on the book figure by 15%. It shows the engineering on these PSA units are quite something. I think I'd rather that, than the dashboard being softer to touch...but each to their own😊
2 years ago when i was 18 my parents gifted me a c3 with the 1.4l 4cl engine, 75hp. i had a lot of fun with that car, i learned to drive really fast (for the car) on the turns, like i was in a rally, now i have a c2 vts loeb edition, but i still love the c3
I can still remember swapping the whole airbox and pipe on my 51 plate 106 for a flexi intake pipe to make the bend and used a Pringles tube for the straight with a pipercross cone filter on the end! I thought it actually made it quicker at the time too 😂 I wrapped the tube in duct tape and it looked kind of good to an 18 year old me, had the whole exhaust cut from just after the cat/downpipe and what looked like a scaffolding bar welded in with a Halfords special backbox and it sounded like a wet dream… Thinking back it was likely more like a wet fart but hey, I was young. Kingfisher blue with morrette headlights, lowered on front springs and a few clicks down on the torsion bar. No back seats, parcel shelf where the rear bench was with 6x9 speakers in and team dynamics pro race 1s. That thing did so many laps of Scarborough front, then one day I came out of a shop to find a drunk driver in an escort had crashed into it big time and the insurance wrote it off. RIP to my little max power wannabe!
To be fair, having owned a 1.1 Saxo, they did feel quite peppy but the 1.0 Saxo I currently have in the fold feels very different and is quite flat in comparison.
Yeah, agreed. The TU9 is pretty flat. You get away with it in an AX a bit more, but it still has no torque. It's a different block to the TU1, I think it's physically shorter.
@@TheFlyingBusman I had 205 with Frankenstein engine tu3m and skimmed head… was a pretty fast and responsive… now I drive 106 ‘98 with tu9m and it is as anemic as a flu. (Doubt it has claimed 50bhp) but I reached 150kph on flat road with no wind.
Ive owned many 106's and had a saxo but my favourite 90s hot hatch was the Fiat Punto 1.2 sporting 16v it was so much fun without driving it at nutty top speed.
My first car was a 106 in that exact colour, Moonstone Blue. Mine was a 2003 model (purchased in 2011) and was the newest car i've ever owned (relative to the time). Great cars, very behind for their time; no abs, no power windows, no a/c. Probably the last of the true tin cans
When oils get hotter the dyno reading gets higher. Because less internal friction. It's also good to have a half a liter lower oil level in the sump. Bcs less crank windage losses. Leaving out the airfilter element sometimes also works.
Mmm, can't say I've found that to be the case. The numbers normally go down, that's why I was surprised. Oil gets thinner, sure, but everything expands and tolerances get tighter. Less windage might do something, but at higher revs the pump is working harder anyway.
I used to have a 1.1 Silver top like this, I got an ITG trumpet and sock filter and stuck it directly to the throttle body no air box. Sounded ace took a huge chunk off the 0-60. Did so many track days in it, MPG when driving sensibly was better with the sock filter. About 30miles more to a tank on a run😅
These a great fun. I had the 1.4 one and it was crazy good performing. On a 0-100kph run I could get it under 10s. It was great on the highway too - every gear would give U enough torques for overtaking. It had many many torques, I think 110-120 of the Nm ones. It's only drawback is the 5th gear could be longer for crooozing. They're great fun on twisty roads. I need get one of these again.
Hello, I also have a Peugeot 106 1.1i, same engine. These cars drive like a go-kart, I love it! TU engines like to make cylinder head gaskets, so I think that the increase in power is due to an increase in the compression rate due to a cylinder head which has been rectified. Less material, more pressure.. maybe, it's a theory.. Or maybe with 66.6hp she has the demon in her..
Every time your camera pans round and I see the phase 2 bx 16v outside I get instant goosebumps followed by immediate regret and sorrow about my 16v's in days long gone.......great video 😎
Wow,amazing results, I know VW’s aren’t the channels thing but I own a 2l transporter,I’ve owed it for 8 years and it’s now on 250k and rising,would love to see how it performs on your Dyno,I think it’s still got plenty of horsepower left but would be happy to be humiliated
I have a 2000 Independence identical to yours, I'll never sell it and it's just so much fun to drive. I've had loads of AX's and 106's over the years, they've all been quicker than they should have been, my AX GT would run rings round an XR2. Only paid £100 for it. I wish I still had it.
Here I am just sitting, watching and enjoying this interesting video until 15:21 I go what the hell? This thing has bonnet lifters lol not even a new Skoda Octavia has them😆
I had a Mk4 fiesta with a 1.25 Zetec. I put a 1.7 Puma inlet manifold and exhaust manifold on it. It made 86bhp and 99lb ft. I was over the moon! Book figure was 75PS.
I have had a 1994 106 1.1 XN Graduate (cat), a 1993 306 1.6 XR, a 1996 306 Dturbo, and currently have a 2007 mk4 Mondeo with a 2.0 DW10 among other cars. From having all these Peugeot engined vehicles, it doesn't surprise me that Dumpit is running above stock figures. Rumour has it that Peugeot used to test their cars fully loaded in order to keep figures, and insurance risk, down to make them easier to sell on the basis that they were known to be more powerful than rated. The restrictor pipe would probably help with emissions, too, so it would maybe have helped it with the tax bracket at the time it was sold new.
Driving my old Golf GTi 8V, back in the early 90s, I have been overtaken on French autoroutes by Citroen AX Debuts doing something like 160kph. They had a 1 litre engine, and weight about 700kg, I believe !
We went to the Citroen dealership, circa 1998 and they had three ex demo Saxos 1.1 SX, good trim level, Red/pink, Dark green, blue, drove all, unfortunately Green was bar far the best, purchased and all good for years, as long as your serviced the rear brakes well 👍
My sons first car was one of these. He paid 150 in about 2016/7. I had a new quick car, but used to love nicking his ass it was so fun on the tight lanes.
My first car was a 106 rallye ph2 and my wife had a 106 1.1 accent very nippy fun cars to drive love them. right now i have a 306 xsi as my daily and a 206 RC as a trackday car
I had a 1.1 MK 2 106. The single point injection meant it was not that responsive but if you did thrash the f**k out of it it shifted. It could do 110 mph down hill. The handing was great if unforgiving: no play in the steering at all and prone to lift off oversteer in the wet. I spun mine a few times though luckily did not hit anything.
I can agree at these engines being underrated in terms of power. My 1.1 Saxo Asics(2001) always felt......eager to go faster. I was screaming down the Dutch A6 motorway at 170(km/h) at some point, with the car feeling like that wasn't fast enough yet.(even though it was giving it all)
My 106 GTI did 0-60 in less than 7 seconds, and would hit the limiter In top gear, which at 7500rpm equated to 150mph. Now that was fast!!! Miss that car 😢
All Hail the Mighty Dumpit! You didn't comment on it, but that dip in the torque curve at very roughly 2000rpm levelled out as you did more runs: and without the pipe, it seemed to disappear altogether. Your problems with the BBQ. The Ancient Greeks believed that the gods were fed by the smoke of sacrifices. There's a very funny play in which the birds build a city in mid-air (Cloud Cuckooland, no less) and intercept the smoke until the gods are starved into giving the birds what they want (can't remember what that was, now. Probably peace.) Anyhoo, you should take that BBQ smoke as an offering to you as a TH-cam god.
They were quick for what they were back in the day, I had a silvertop VTR with only 4-1 manifold, exhaust and green filter when I was 18, never dyno'd but gave a few 1.8t golf Mk4s a run for their money. Would bounce on the limiter at 133mph but gps speed was more like 120 🤣 Still miss that wee car.
I have a 106 5 doors from 2001, it had a "problem in the block" that in the 1.1 blocks is kind of common, left side right over the transmission a bit of a hole from rust, from the tap water that people used to cool his poor veins. So I searched for a motor to replace it, and I ended up putting the 1.6 in the 307 from 2005 or 2004 i think. And IT FRINKING RIPS, shitty looking car, absolutely unassuming, I can park it anywhere and nobody looks at it twice. But the Smiles it brings to my face, o SIIIIR, is by far my favorite car, it weights nothing and is PERFECT in the weight to power ratio. Controlable, but fast enough to scare you a bit. It would be perfect if I could get a quicksilver or a vts transmission with 6th gear If I could, I would transplant the same care into a 3 doors 205. That's my dream car I think. Cheap to maintain, feels weightless and looks like any old car in the road so as long as you keep it nice enough, you can park it anywhere and drive with a smile on your face both ways.
My 106 Quiksilver had a 5 speed - I've never seen one with 6? After a number of trackdays, my original gearbox siezed. I phoned around all over the place, and could not find a 1.4 gearbox, so I had to "settle" for a gearbox from a 1.1 It was the best thing I ever did. I now tops out at 90mph which is way lower than it used to, but the lower ratios mean *silly* 0-60mph time for a 1.4 8v.
nova'a were my favourite car back in the day i had 1989 1.3 sr in red and a 1990 1.6 gte in white had mk2 astra"s so pretty much vauxhall they seamed so fast real lively
Seems like its not only VAG Group Cars that are conservative with the Power Figures. I had two Skoda diesels a vRS Fabia which produced 152bhp when Skoda Claimed 130bhp! Remember taking it the Rolling Road after owning it for a few weeks and got called over and being asked what mods i had carried out. Non was the answer. A few years later took my 1.4 diesel Fabia with a claimed 80bhp and that came away with 90bhp! Thinking about it now would it be a prince or a TU engine in a 1.4 Mini R56?? Remember getting 103bhp in that on a rolling road?? One of the common mods on the Fabia vRS was replacing the air intake pipe for a PD160 intake as the 130 intake was restrictive. Well done Dumpit! Ya little Legend!
Prince engine in a Mini. As far VAG, my experience is largely strong on the dyno. I don't normally have them beat the book figure like an old Peugeot, but they're nearly always on the money, give or take a couple of bhp.
I’ve got a 205 Roland Garros with the TU3S (1360cc on carbs) and that got me an 85 on the rollers last time I tried. Goes like the clappers and there’s a lot of fun when the second butterfly opens on the carb. I do love a TU lump.
I've got 1.1 Seicento "Sporting" I've had 330d bmw's, ST's, Big volvo's ... It's only 55ish hp it's shouldn't be quick, (not fast) but it only weighs 750kg and it's an 8 valve so all the tiny italian horses are right where you need them in a city.. in the 1st half of the tiny rev counter.. Up to about 25 mph it's actually quick quick (ish) and as an added bonus will never have a pop and bang map... Because I like my neighbours, don't say bruv and I'm 45... Loving the dump it videos. There's a lot to say for small cheap motoring.
@@melvsbodgeshop4125 I had one of them new back in the day and it was an amazing thing. I could go down the dual carriageway bouncing it off the limiter in 5th and it would just take it! Had it for 5 years and put nearly 90,000 miles on it and it never let me down. Would never have parted with it but unfortunately some drunk dickhead smashed it up the road whilst it was parked up outside my house!
Ive had quite a few TU engined cars, Peugeot 205 Junior 1.0, 205 xs 1.4 & 2 x AXGT 1.4 - great engines, revvy and reliable. Head gasket is weak spot but an easy job.
@@UPnDOWN Oh, I forgot about my 2 saxo VTR's as well. HGF on one VTR and one AXGT, AXGT was alloy block and VTR iron IIRC. Keep up the good work, it is intersting to see real world figures vs book especially after a few years!
I had a citroen saxo east coast and boy that car was fast for a 1.1 my following 1.1 206 was dead and never handled like that car sadly she rotted too badly i would buy another in a heartbeat to keep,I was able to stay with the 1.4 106 in a straight road mainly due to revs
I ran one of these in a local charity park race a few years ago, came second overall for the day and had people all day coming up to me in the pits asking "what engine has that got?" , "have you swapped something into that?" Everyone was shocked to hear it was just a 1.1 😂
So that's why I still miss my AX and feel like I would pick it still over my current car which is supposed to have 72ps and only 88Nm!! I miss it even more now!!😢😢
My mate had a 1.1 Saxo as his first car and it was way faster than it had any right to be 😂. This just confirms our suspicions that these engines were over-performers 😊.
I had a 1994 Pug 205 "Junior" with the 1.1L engine and I think supposed 55ish HP. I wouldn't call it fast by any stretch, but it wasnt as slow as one would expect either. It had a single point fuel injection system by the way, not a carb. Although it kinda looked like one. :)
Decent new spark plugs, oil change and filter would probably gain a few moee, these litle engines are amazing, my mrs had a 1.1 106 years ago, rapid little thing
Mate had a 1994 1.1 106 and we saw 100+ on the clocks, just as a cop car went past who promptly did a U-turn and caught us up. I had a 2000 1.1 Independence as a first car. Crashed it into a megane convertible at traffic lights as I thought I had right of way
If you really want to push it, you could swap over the whole intake manifold and injectors from the saxo vtr. The throttle valve, plenum and intake pipes are all bigger and the injectors have a higher flow rate. Plus it’s all a straight swap
I reckon the reason it kept going up was most likely due to the oil temp creeping up. The lower viscosity makes a tangible and measureable impact on horsepower. Edit: Had my 1.4 saxo on the dyno before I started doing major modifications. It made 84.8hp with an aftermarket intake and stock exhaust with decat pipe.
I also have a 2001 1.1 106, and it also starts idling funny after a while of sitting, so I'm reassured yours does the same. That's French engineering for you! Great little car though. How'd you like the Surrealist-inspired pedal placement?
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I can imagine the conversation in the Peugeot factory:
_"Zut alors Pierre, le cent six is making too much power, insurance companies will not like zis"_
"Ce n'est pas un problème Jean-Paul, we just squeeze down zis little pipe and power is gone"
Can deffo believe this to be the case
I read this in Clarkson voice from when they did the french car special.
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They did actually test cars fully laden to slow them down and so make insurance cheaper
Oww yeah, that bottleneck in the inlet!
With every TU engine I replaced it with the same rubber inlet tube from an Alfa 155, which was big.
All of the TU engines are soooo rev-happy, the 16 valve as well as the 8 valve ones, but from my experience the powerband of the 8 valve is just more brilliant.
They may need a new headgasket at about every 100k to 150k kms, but they work effortless.
Well, I have to admit I do have a thing for these engines, that's why I had a lot of them.
Not because I broke them but because they all ride sooooo nice, it really is my favourite:
1989 Citroën AX 1.1i 44kw with a 4 speed, red 3 doors. Best allround package of these cars and only 648kg.
1995 Citroën AX 1.1i 44kw with a 5 speed, green 5 doors. Comfortable but a bit boring, just didn't want to die.
1990 Citroën BX 1.4i Cannes 55kw with a 5 speed, white. Bought with blown headgasket which I fixed, as well as HP suspension. Epic wollowy handling on the limit.
1992 Peugeot 106 1.1i 44kw, white van. Not to be called economical due to worn TBI, but very fast indeed.
1993 Peugeot 106 1.4 diesel 37kw, blue. Not so fast, but very economical and never missed a beat, went to the middle of Sweden and had to floor it to and and from there, exhaust fell of which annoyed a lot of people at Jonkoping, fixed at campsite
1989 Peugeot 205 1.1i 44kw, grey. Put a Supersprint exhaust on it, sounded epic and revved like no other.
1997 Peugeot 205 1.4i 55kw, green. Put the 1.6 GTI wheels on it with some wider Accelere budget sports tyres, couldn't unstick it in corners. Believe me, I tried.
1997 Peugeot 205 1.4i 55kw on LPG, blue. Super economical for a commuter car, otherwise pretty boring, nothing went wrong apart from me crashing into the side of a brand new 207 due to hidden ice on the road, the 207 was instantly totalled with some pretty nasty damage, but the 205 only needed a new bumper, left fender and a new headlight. And it was 1 cm less wide than before, the grill wouldn't easily fit.
1996 Peugeot 306 Break 1.4i 55kw, blue. Comfortable and loads of space, needed a new clutch which I replaced with the help of a friend and then the gearbox cracked. Sad.
1997 Peugeot 306 sedan 1.4i 55kw on LPG, blue. Bought with blown headgasket for €250, had to fix the headgasket 3 times in 3 months due to the head being cracked internally.
2001 Peugeot 306 Break 1.6i 72kw, red. Easily the fastest in the row. This engine with multipoint injection was in essence the 106 1.6 Rallye engine, is a true gem in this combo. Felt like the most epic last hooraaaa for the 8 valve TU before they were slowly being fased out.
Btw this list is not chronologically in order, apart from the first, the red AX 1.1 and the last, the red 306 Break 1.6. Nor does this list accounts for all of the cars I had since I got my license 20 yrs ago, that list should be 100+ cars by now.
And no I'm not a dealer or trader, because I don't have the ability to trade, I'm just an overly passionate enthousiastical car nut and some sort of a mechanic when I choose to be.
I give you a like just for taking the time to type all that.
I absolutely love these engines. I had a 2000 Citroen Xsara estate with the 2.0 136hp, and it went like stink. Once did 211kmh which is 3kmh above its book figure, although at its 208kmh mark it did start making noises it previously didn't. Absolutely brilliant car with no other issues than doorhandles that didnt like the cold and would break off, and an exhaust that would eat itself due to my driving style. I'm currently in the process of perhaps trading in my 2015 Peugeot 208 with its 1.0 turbo 3cyl (rather capable) for a 2002 Peugeot 406 with the same 2.0l engine my Xsara had. I also have a 1997 Peugeot 605 2.0 Turbo with the 8 valve, and a slight tune (thanks to previous owner), making about 10-15 hp above its stock figures, and also previously had a 1996 106 GTi which gained an induction leak before i accidentally totalled it.
@@Hipas_Account TCT (XU/TE) is easily the best PSA engine. Still looking for a 1st gen Eurovan with that engine. In the book they are even quicker than the 2gen with the V6. Keep in mind the 406 2.0 could be slower and handle worse than the Xsara, so don't be disappointed😉
@@kurtkromer9988 Won't be disappointed since it looks better than the Xsara wagon, is bigger and worth more, plus thanks to the French Taxi movies, it has been one of my attainable dream cars for many years now.
Inlet mod? What? I mean I have 206 1.1 and the thing is so slow to rev up and pretty gutless. And still only 50k miles.
As you can see from my profile picture Im a proud owner of one of the rarest PSA vehicles of all time, Citroen AX Sport, inherited from my lovely father, with the TU24 M4A 1.3l ''95 hp'' same as the 205 really with 103hp an extra 8hp because of the airbox being much wider, than the AX craaaazy for such a small modification, in fact the 1.3 liter in these is based in the 1.1 liter that this peugeot has, but with two twin weber 40s gulping excessive amounts of petrol ahah but you gotta love that sound and rawness
And I can say with confidence these little tin cans are so badass and so quick and people don't even imagine, a while go I was visiting my girlf and came across a Golf 6 GTI who thought it was quick in the mountain roads...little did he know I was about to show him the power of being light and nimble 🤣 when I overtook him...the guy's face was priceless being gapped by such an old car. People really forget about the weight and just talk about raw power numbers and figures on a paper sheet...
The feeling you get from the light old cars is undescribable ...
I'm jealous!
Saw 110mph on the clock of my mother’s Saxo 1.1 back in the day. I remember slowly pulling away at 90mph from a Discovery who had been tailgating me on a motorway
Seen 115 in my 1.1 MK1 Clio back in the day 😂😂😂
Car felt slow when I have my 15s on then lol
got 110+ in my C1 (it went down to MPH on the speedo)
Yep, 110 in pug 106 too
Glad to see this. Had my phase 1 306 with the 1.6 TU5 measured on the dyno recently. Its supposed to have 88hp factory, got measured in at 96.75hp with no modifications done to it. These TU engines are great.
I love that 'An old Car' sticker. Very clever 😂
Dumpit is such an amazing car, love seeing the content you make with it!
Now that's impressive, 10 extra rampant horses. What a beast. 😉
@@Tagora2664 It lost power, it made 50 odd power to wheels on dyno and from factory makes 60.
@@tomrucroft9509 it would be interesting to see what lighter gear oil and engine oil would do. from internal readings my Z19DTH took 80NM to idle on 5W-30, going to 0W-40 it dropped to 65NM to idle and it picked up 4-5MPG with being noticeably faster on the throttle.
@@tomrucroft9509 factory power is not at the wheels.
@@tomrucroft9509 factory power measurement is at the crank
Always impressed by a healthy TU they always punch harder than you'd expect 👊
Modern TUs engines like this 106 have a lot of different things than the old ones.
- Lighter Pistons with shorter skirt
- Better conrod ratio with higher Piston pin
- Lighter camshaft pulley
- Roller Rockers
- Multipoint full injection
A TU1 monopoint on AX is different than a KFX/KFW on post 2000 engines.
"60HP" is a commercial barrier for selling these 1.1 engines at this era.
You can make a really great 1.4 TU with cast iron block (106 XSI), stock forged half 8 Counterweights crankshaft (alway 106 XSI) and all "modern" TU internals (conrods, pistons ...).
You lost the smooth/low end torque from XSI internals (pistons with offset pins ... already at this time before "Offset" fashion!) but gain top end/peak power.
This is on reason why the 106/ saxo with the hfx/Kfx (kfw) are so underrated. Just take an light weight car that was constructed in the early 90ies and put a "modern" mulitpoint engine of the next generation (the 206) into this old frame....🙂.
@@RonSummer Imagine a modern 1.0 (high volumetric ratio, offseted crank, DLC everywhere, variable timing pulleys... and i forgot a lot) with 3 cylinders in an AX of 715Kg.
Progress is not decreasing consumption.
The progress is to have these consumptions stagnating in “barges” of 1200Kgs distorting space-time!
Safety, safety...
Who is shocked to still see (!) motorcycles freely circulating on our roads?
Is a two-wheeler safer than a 715kg vehicle?
For the same reason my bone stock mk2 clio 1.6 feels so quick now... it weighs bugger all and that k4m is a rev happy little monster!
I remember driving my other half's Saxo 1.1 and assumed it'd be a limp little thing. Turns out it was a rapid little thing for it's modest size and also handled incredibly well! Cracking little motors. The VTS must have been a wild little ride!
Step aside Kitch, Dumpit is fast becoming the new darling of the channel lol
Ha! It was never about me.
I had a 2001 106 Quiksilver which should’ve been 75hp. It was three years old when I bought it and roller’d it whiteout any mods and it was 80hp out of the box
One year later with a a 4 to 1 manifold, Kent Fast road cam and a carbon intake with a S/Steel centre pipe and peco back box and it was 105hp
I then bought a 1.6 16v engine to put in it and done the same mods but with matched manifolds and forged pistons and without a remap it still pulled 155hp
I love PSA engines 😁
No wonder my AX used to fly. 55bhp my arse 😂 The wobbly wheel trim was almost hypnotic 😮
I had an Ax 1.4 diesel 57hp I think. It used to slow down on the slightest gradient 😂. Most economical car I ever owned. 600mile a tank easy
AXs are much quicker as they weigh so much less. I've had 9 of them.
Same as the later 1.1 Saxo Desire it was only supposed to have like 70bhp but has 82bhp and will do 120mph due to long 5th gear and blow its head gasket lol as i found out
@@devilax03
My mate had a late face-lift AX GTi, a genuinely quick little motor! I assume it had a variant of the valver as fitted later on to the VTS. Genuinely astonishingly quick! That coming from someone who had a maestro converted to run a 2.0 16 valve!
The AX GTi had the 8v engine, but it was a real screamer making 99bhp at 6600 RPM. I had one for a couple of years and it was a lot of fun, though the brakes were barely adequate for the performance.
These cars are amazing. I had a 306 with a tube style air filter when i was 19. It was a 1.6L TU5 engine with 8 valves. When i removed it and fitted a cone air filter and aluminum tubes it really flew like crazy, not to mention it went all the way to 210 km/h, when before it didnt go faster than 175km/h
This engine here is the "hfx" with the multipoint injection instead of the ealier monopoint injection. These engines were designed for the 206 sold from 1998 up to 2013. However, in the last few years of the production these engines were assembled in the 106 (between 1998/1999 and 2003). Officially, the new injection system of the hfx led to a higher torque (94 instead of 88) but without any gain in bhp ...the cars were still sold as 60bhp engines. ... I think they were just too lazy or "forgot" to re-measure the performance, which would probably have resulted in a reclassification.
A healthy 64bhp!
Please please please can I bring my 1992 ax GT down and put that on the rollers. It's far from a garage queen, but it's my ax and it's ❤❤
Yeah, just email me. I've had one on there before, there's a vid somewhere in the Dyno playlist
The 106 is such a special little car for me. I had a 1.4 as my second car and I loved it so much. I even took it to track days and had the time of my life 😃
First thing I did to my 1.1 Saxo was to remove that narrow pipe and put a straight piece in. Glad to finally know many years later that it did actually make a difference :)
You are the UK version of Dank Pods with the enthusiastic way - his channel 'Garbage Time' is a great car channel too. Always had a real soft spot for the 106 and the facelift era was when peugeot were really on their game for styling. Great video
going above 5500 isn't pointless: change gear up at 5500 and you end up near 3500 rpm (50 hp), change at 6000 and you end up closer to 4000 (58/59 hp). You want to keep the average bhp as high as possible. When going for top speed, whatever gear keeps you close to 5500 obviously.
Had a 1.1 AX as my first car, chose it because it had a decent engine with very low weight, and good aero. It was quite quick.
TU’s are amazing engines.
I once had an AX 1.1i on loan when my 309GTI was in for a body repair.
I was amazed at how rev happy and fast that little thing zipped along!
Woooo goooo Dumpit! I had a 1.1 TU in my 205 and it always felt pretty potent! Not surprised Dumpit pulls so well. I must admit thinking back I always thought of the TU engines as a bit cheaper/less engineered than the XU ones. Watching this I was clearly mistaken!
Looking forward too see Dumpit on the rollers.
My sister used to own a nice one of these. She once managed to reach just over 100mph in her little purple M-reg Citroen AX Spree, with 4-speed 954 power. They are much better than Mini Coopers, incredibly quick for what they are. Reliable, too. With 50bhp, it would have been one of the first TU9's to get fuel injection. It did start getting bloody noisy when she got it past 70mph.
TU series engines were awesome. I owned a Saxo VTR on a T plate from new in 1999, it was supposed to have 90 bhp, but that thing was a little rocket. My mate at the time had just bought an Escort GTI with the 1.8 Zetec rated at 115 bhp and he couldn’t live with my little Saxo. I loved that car, severely underrated. I had a drive in the VTS version as well and while it was quicker outright I actually preferred my VTR.
Incredible, well done dumpit! I can't even imagine even an exceptionally well cared for 20yr old German or Japanese motor improving on the book figure by 15%. It shows the engineering on these PSA units are quite something. I think I'd rather that, than the dashboard being softer to touch...but each to their own😊
2 years ago when i was 18 my parents gifted me a c3 with the 1.4l 4cl engine, 75hp. i had a lot of fun with that car, i learned to drive really fast (for the car) on the turns, like i was in a rally, now i have a c2 vts loeb edition, but i still love the c3
Those TU engines are amazing engines.
I can still remember swapping the whole airbox and pipe on my 51 plate 106 for a flexi intake pipe to make the bend and used a Pringles tube for the straight with a pipercross cone filter on the end! I thought it actually made it quicker at the time too 😂
I wrapped the tube in duct tape and it looked kind of good to an 18 year old me, had the whole exhaust cut from just after the cat/downpipe and what looked like a scaffolding bar welded in with a Halfords special backbox and it sounded like a wet dream… Thinking back it was likely more like a wet fart but hey, I was young.
Kingfisher blue with morrette headlights, lowered on front springs and a few clicks down on the torsion bar. No back seats, parcel shelf where the rear bench was with 6x9 speakers in and team dynamics pro race 1s. That thing did so many laps of Scarborough front, then one day I came out of a shop to find a drunk driver in an escort had crashed into it big time and the insurance wrote it off. RIP to my little max power wannabe!
Good memories though!
Always cool to see cars like these (pre-2010) on the rollers to see what power they truly produce.
Keep 'em coming.
👍
To be fair, having owned a 1.1 Saxo, they did feel quite peppy but the 1.0 Saxo I currently have in the fold feels very different and is quite flat in comparison.
Yeah, agreed. The TU9 is pretty flat. You get away with it in an AX a bit more, but it still has no torque. It's a different block to the TU1, I think it's physically shorter.
@@TheFlyingBusman I had 205 with Frankenstein engine tu3m and skimmed head… was a pretty fast and responsive… now I drive 106 ‘98 with tu9m and it is as anemic as a flu. (Doubt it has claimed 50bhp) but I reached 150kph on flat road with no wind.
Ive owned many 106's and had a saxo but my favourite 90s hot hatch was the Fiat Punto 1.2 sporting 16v it was so much fun without driving it at nutty top speed.
I had both the 106 and saxo 1.1's and they were nippy for what they were and fun to drive.
I had a 86 205 1.1 carb 4 Speed with K&N Filter almost 100 km/h in second gear no limiter. Miss that thing fun to drive. 🚙💨💨💨👌
I used to own a 2003 106 Independence with that same engine. Loved how nippy it was.
I think its how good the chassis was, great chuckable little cars.
My first car was a 106 in that exact colour, Moonstone Blue. Mine was a 2003 model (purchased in 2011) and was the newest car i've ever owned (relative to the time). Great cars, very behind for their time; no abs, no power windows, no a/c. Probably the last of the true tin cans
My first car was a 1.5 TUd 106, 50mpg+ when thrashing it and lift off oversteer on demand.
The toughest, most resilient, economical little cars :D
Dumpit is a doozey ❤
Worked with PSA cars in the mid late 80s these cars were far more rapid back in the day than we think.
Had a rallye s2 and a gti rallye combo back in the day , was one hell of a car back in the day , focus st2 left plenty of times great little weapons
5000 to 6000 rpm, that's what I did all the time age 18, in my grandmother's 1.1 Ford Fiesta. So much fun.
When oils get hotter the dyno reading gets higher.
Because less internal friction. It's also good to have a half a liter lower oil level in the sump. Bcs less crank windage losses.
Leaving out the airfilter element sometimes also works.
Mmm, can't say I've found that to be the case. The numbers normally go down, that's why I was surprised. Oil gets thinner, sure, but everything expands and tolerances get tighter. Less windage might do something, but at higher revs the pump is working harder anyway.
I used to have a 1.1 Silver top like this, I got an ITG trumpet and sock filter and stuck it directly to the throttle body no air box. Sounded ace took a huge chunk off the 0-60. Did so many track days in it, MPG when driving sensibly was better with the sock filter. About 30miles more to a tank on a run😅
These a great fun. I had the 1.4 one and it was crazy good performing. On a 0-100kph run I could get it under 10s. It was great on the highway too - every gear would give U enough torques for overtaking. It had many many torques, I think 110-120 of the Nm ones. It's only drawback is the 5th gear could be longer for crooozing. They're great fun on twisty roads. I need get one of these again.
Hello, I also have a Peugeot 106 1.1i, same engine.
These cars drive like a go-kart, I love it!
TU engines like to make cylinder head gaskets, so I think that the increase in power is due to an increase in the compression rate due to a cylinder head which has been rectified. Less material, more pressure.. maybe, it's a theory.. Or maybe with 66.6hp she has the demon in her..
Pretty sure it's on the original HG. It's only done 42,000 miles! I've only ever had one HG fail before, and I've had lots of TU engined cars.
What a trooper, now I want a saxo vts even more.
I recently went to a BBQ on an industrial estate. It was really good. 😊
Great vid. I was waiting for you to do another run with fans on and pipe off. It is amazing they under estimated the bhp in the book
Ran out of time! I'll do round two when I've checked a few other things over and made some (free) tweaks.
i worked on PSA for years....
engines are bullet proof....
RENAULT F9Q ARE WITHOUT DOUBT PROBABLY THE BEST ENGINES EVER.
Every time your camera pans round and I see the phase 2 bx 16v outside I get instant goosebumps followed by immediate regret and sorrow about my 16v's in days long gone.......great video 😎
Lovin' these Dumpit videos. I'm getting attached to it, and that isn't the point of Dumpit, dangit
Had a 106 1.5d and a 1.6 gti. Honestly possibly one of the best little cars ever made.
Wow,amazing results, I know VW’s aren’t the channels thing but I own a 2l transporter,I’ve owed it for 8 years and it’s now on 250k and rising,would love to see how it performs on your Dyno,I think it’s still got plenty of horsepower left but would be happy to be humiliated
I have a 2000 Independence identical to yours, I'll never sell it and it's just so much fun to drive. I've had loads of AX's and 106's over the years, they've all been quicker than they should have been, my AX GT would run rings round an XR2. Only paid £100 for it. I wish I still had it.
Here I am just sitting, watching and enjoying this interesting video until 15:21 I go what the hell?
This thing has bonnet lifters lol not even a new Skoda Octavia has them😆
I had a Mk4 fiesta with a 1.25 Zetec. I put a 1.7 Puma inlet manifold and exhaust manifold on it. It made 86bhp and 99lb ft. I was over the moon! Book figure was 75PS.
Bit late to this, but on a rainy day the cool moist air will boost power as the air is denser, hence more oxygen to burn per cc.
I have had a 1994 106 1.1 XN Graduate (cat), a 1993 306 1.6 XR, a 1996 306 Dturbo, and currently have a 2007 mk4 Mondeo with a 2.0 DW10 among other cars. From having all these Peugeot engined vehicles, it doesn't surprise me that Dumpit is running above stock figures. Rumour has it that Peugeot used to test their cars fully loaded in order to keep figures, and insurance risk, down to make them easier to sell on the basis that they were known to be more powerful than rated.
The restrictor pipe would probably help with emissions, too, so it would maybe have helped it with the tax bracket at the time it was sold new.
I love my Peugeots and Citroens hahahha... love from Brazil
Driving my old Golf GTi 8V, back in the early 90s, I have been overtaken on French autoroutes by Citroen AX Debuts doing something like 160kph. They had a 1 litre engine, and weight about 700kg, I believe !
They were about that, yeah. Early 1.0 models were actually about 690kg
We went to the Citroen dealership, circa 1998 and they had three ex demo Saxos 1.1 SX, good trim level, Red/pink, Dark green, blue, drove all, unfortunately Green was bar far the best, purchased and all good for years, as long as your serviced the rear brakes well 👍
Blip throttle to move coolant but also to prevent oil pressure from dropping too quickly while the engine is still quite very hot
My sons first car was one of these. He paid 150 in about 2016/7. I had a new quick car, but used to love nicking his ass it was so fun on the tight lanes.
I honestly thought this was Ron Swanson with a beard enjoyed the video very informal Ron Swanson would be proud
Great video. I had a tu5-jp (90hp) in my 205 it made 110hp on the dyno. I did have a de-cat though
the hand brake turn at the end almost confirms dumpits not staying stock lmao
I've a 2008 73 plate 1.2 GT, and it surprises me every day, pulling away from most cars on the motorway lol
I used to have a quite rare 1.8 16V 306 GLXi.
It absolutely. vanquished my mate's 2.0 Astra.
I have a 89cv Peugeot 306 (TU5JP) and it feels awesome
My first car was a 106 rallye ph2 and my wife had a 106 1.1 accent very nippy fun cars to drive love them. right now i have a 306 xsi as my daily and a 206 RC as a trackday car
A 106 Rallye as a first car must've been a whole lot of different n 😮
I had a 1.1 MK 2 106. The single point injection meant it was not that responsive but if you did thrash the f**k out of it it shifted. It could do 110 mph down hill. The handing was great if unforgiving: no play in the steering at all and prone to lift off oversteer in the wet. I spun mine a few times though luckily did not hit anything.
I can agree at these engines being underrated in terms of power.
My 1.1 Saxo Asics(2001) always felt......eager to go faster.
I was screaming down the Dutch A6 motorway at 170(km/h) at some point, with the car feeling like that wasn't fast enough yet.(even though it was giving it all)
My 106 GTI did 0-60 in less than 7 seconds, and would hit the limiter In top gear, which at 7500rpm equated to 150mph. Now that was fast!!! Miss that car 😢
Long time ago i borrowed an AX 1.1i. It always surprised me with it's power. It was quickish. Now i know why!
Very interesting, no wonder they went so well.
All Hail the Mighty Dumpit! You didn't comment on it, but that dip in the torque curve at very roughly 2000rpm levelled out as you did more runs: and without the pipe, it seemed to disappear altogether.
Your problems with the BBQ. The Ancient Greeks believed that the gods were fed by the smoke of sacrifices. There's a very funny play in which the birds build a city in mid-air (Cloud Cuckooland, no less) and intercept the smoke until the gods are starved into giving the birds what they want (can't remember what that was, now. Probably peace.) Anyhoo, you should take that BBQ smoke as an offering to you as a TH-cam god.
They were quick for what they were back in the day, I had a silvertop VTR with only 4-1 manifold, exhaust and green filter when I was 18, never dyno'd but gave a few 1.8t golf Mk4s a run for their money. Would bounce on the limiter at 133mph but gps speed was more like 120 🤣
Still miss that wee car.
These are Gen X cars not Millennial cars. The AX came out in 1986 with a Wine shelf on the door for fine taste 🇫🇷
Millennial is 1981-1996. Gen X is pre1980
I have a 106 5 doors from 2001, it had a "problem in the block" that in the 1.1 blocks is kind of common, left side right over the transmission a bit of a hole from rust, from the tap water that people used to cool his poor veins. So I searched for a motor to replace it, and I ended up putting the 1.6 in the 307 from 2005 or 2004 i think. And IT FRINKING RIPS, shitty looking car, absolutely unassuming, I can park it anywhere and nobody looks at it twice.
But the Smiles it brings to my face, o SIIIIR, is by far my favorite car, it weights nothing and is PERFECT in the weight to power ratio. Controlable, but fast enough to scare you a bit.
It would be perfect if I could get a quicksilver or a vts transmission with 6th gear
If I could, I would transplant the same care into a 3 doors 205. That's my dream car I think.
Cheap to maintain, feels weightless and looks like any old car in the road so as long as you keep it nice enough, you can park it anywhere and drive with a smile on your face both ways.
My 106 Quiksilver had a 5 speed - I've never seen one with 6?
After a number of trackdays, my original gearbox siezed. I phoned around all over the place, and could not find a 1.4 gearbox, so I had to "settle" for a gearbox from a 1.1
It was the best thing I ever did.
I now tops out at 90mph which is way lower than it used to, but the lower ratios mean *silly* 0-60mph time for a 1.4 8v.
nova'a were my favourite car back in the day i had 1989 1.3 sr in red and a 1990 1.6 gte in white had mk2 astra"s so pretty much vauxhall they seamed so fast real lively
Seems like its not only VAG Group Cars that are conservative with the Power Figures. I had two Skoda diesels a vRS Fabia which produced 152bhp when Skoda Claimed 130bhp! Remember taking it the Rolling Road after owning it for a few weeks and got called over and being asked what mods i had carried out. Non was the answer. A few years later took my 1.4 diesel Fabia with a claimed 80bhp and that came away with 90bhp! Thinking about it now would it be a prince or a TU engine in a 1.4 Mini R56?? Remember getting 103bhp in that on a rolling road??
One of the common mods on the Fabia vRS was replacing the air intake pipe for a PD160 intake as the 130 intake was restrictive.
Well done Dumpit! Ya little Legend!
Prince engine in a Mini. As far VAG, my experience is largely strong on the dyno. I don't normally have them beat the book figure like an old Peugeot, but they're nearly always on the money, give or take a couple of bhp.
I’ve got a 205 Roland Garros with the TU3S (1360cc on carbs) and that got me an 85 on the rollers last time I tried. Goes like the clappers and there’s a lot of fun when the second butterfly opens on the carb.
I do love a TU lump.
Same engine as the AX GT. I've already had one of those on the rollers (it's in the playlist somewhere). 250k miles, and it made 87bhp!
@@UPnDOWN That’s the one. They’re a brilliant little engine 👍 (also, I’d very much like an AXGT!)
I've got 1.1 Seicento "Sporting" I've had 330d bmw's, ST's, Big volvo's ...
It's only 55ish hp it's shouldn't be quick, (not fast) but it only weighs 750kg and it's an 8 valve so all the tiny italian horses are right where you need them in a city.. in the 1st half of the tiny rev counter..
Up to about 25 mph it's actually quick quick (ish) and as an added bonus will never have a pop and bang map...
Because I like my neighbours, don't say bruv and I'm 45...
Loving the dump it videos.
There's a lot to say for small cheap motoring.
@@melvsbodgeshop4125 I had one of them new back in the day and it was an amazing thing. I could go down the dual carriageway bouncing it off the limiter in 5th and it would just take it! Had it for 5 years and put nearly 90,000 miles on it and it never let me down. Would never have parted with it but unfortunately some drunk dickhead smashed it up the road whilst it was parked up outside my house!
Ive had quite a few TU engined cars, Peugeot 205 Junior 1.0, 205 xs 1.4 & 2 x AXGT 1.4 - great engines, revvy and reliable. Head gasket is weak spot but an easy job.
I've genuinely only had one HGF on a TU. Actually, two, if you count a car I bought with a mate for free to fix up and move on.
@@UPnDOWN Oh, I forgot about my 2 saxo VTR's as well. HGF on one VTR and one AXGT, AXGT was alloy block and VTR iron IIRC. Keep up the good work, it is intersting to see real world figures vs book especially after a few years!
I had a citroen saxo east coast and boy that car was fast for a 1.1 my following 1.1 206 was dead and never handled like that car sadly she rotted too badly i would buy another in a heartbeat to keep,I was able to stay with the 1.4 106 in a straight road mainly due to revs
I ran one of these in a local charity park race a few years ago, came second overall for the day and had people all day coming up to me in the pits asking "what engine has that got?" , "have you swapped something into that?" Everyone was shocked to hear it was just a 1.1 😂
So that's why I still miss my AX and feel like I would pick it still over my current car which is supposed to have 72ps and only 88Nm!!
I miss it even more now!!😢😢
My mate had a 1.1 Saxo as his first car and it was way faster than it had any right to be 😂. This just confirms our suspicions that these engines were over-performers 😊.
I had a 1994 Pug 205 "Junior" with the 1.1L engine and I think supposed 55ish HP. I wouldn't call it fast by any stretch, but it wasnt as slow as one would expect either. It had a single point fuel injection system by the way, not a carb. Although it kinda looked like one. :)
Decent new spark plugs, oil change and filter would probably gain a few moee, these litle engines are amazing, my mrs had a 1.1 106 years ago, rapid little thing
Mate had a 1994 1.1 106 and we saw 100+ on the clocks, just as a cop car went past who promptly did a U-turn and caught us up.
I had a 2000 1.1 Independence as a first car. Crashed it into a megane convertible at traffic lights as I thought I had right of way
If you really want to push it, you could swap over the whole intake manifold and injectors from the saxo vtr. The throttle valve, plenum and intake pipes are all bigger and the injectors have a higher flow rate. Plus it’s all a straight swap
Will this work for a 206 1.1 tu to?
@@christophercutajar4020 Should work yeah if it’s on a cable throttle
I reckon the reason it kept going up was most likely due to the oil temp creeping up. The lower viscosity makes a tangible and measureable impact on horsepower.
Edit: Had my 1.4 saxo on the dyno before I started doing major modifications. It made 84.8hp with an aftermarket intake and stock exhaust with decat pipe.
70.07hp bloody fantastic good old Dumpit.
My first car was pretty much the same as dumpit. It always felt nippy. (I still miss that car).
Who wouldn't like 17% extra for free? Half decent intake roar to boot! Lovely little motor so leave it be 😂👍
I used to have a citroen visa with a small engine great fun car
I also have a 2001 1.1 106, and it also starts idling funny after a while of sitting, so I'm reassured yours does the same. That's French engineering for you! Great little car though. How'd you like the Surrealist-inspired pedal placement?
A lot of old 106s/Saxos idle like that when hot, nothing to worry about. Pedals don't bother me tbh.
I loved my early 2000's Fiat Punto 1.2, absolute weapon 😆
85bhp in the Sporting!
@@UPnDOWN Indeed, my next car after was a 2005 Punto Sporting 1.4 16v with 95bhp! Loved that car had it years.