Slavery in Islam | Dr. Jonathan Brown & Shaykh Dr. Yasir Qadhi
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Dr Jonathan Brown spoke at my Masjid in Las Vegas (Al-Noor) a few months or a year, after I converted to Islam.
Assalaam alaikum... Not to sound cringey, but i was always curious to ask... Is it hard being a Muslim in Las Vegas? How do you guys do it? 🤤
Masha'Allah
Was his talk recorded, brother?
@@oceanflyer7078 - It was. Then we had a power struggle and videos disappeared
I will call my friend down there to see if he can locate it and I will send you a message after my jummah (starts in 15 minutes) Insha'Allah
@@danoneall4013 JazakAllah khayr brother. To be honest, these kinds of lectures have renewed my faith tremendously. Especially those by Prof Brown and Dr Qadhi, I really can't thank them enough.
I'm a simple man. I see Yasir Qadhi, I click
lol
I even give 'like' before listening to the lecture.
I'm simple too.. I see Brother Jonathan Brown.. I click😃
@@oceanflyer7078 I agree with everything before hearing what he has to say. That's critical thinking 🙈
Great lecture indeed. Thanks Mr. Brown.
MashaAllahu tabarakallah! What a wonderful informative lecture! May Allah (swt) bless & protect Dr. Jonathon Brown, Sheikh Yasir Qadhi, and all Muslim scholars.
Rezwan what did they try to say.
Slavery could have been ended with one verse. The problem is, where would the slaves have gone? How would they've fed themselves. What about women slaves. Children? Old people? Quran set a gradual program of emancipation. 47-4 closed the door on new slaves. 24-33 provided deed of emancipation. 90-13 reads: free slaves, literally, take off their yokes; this verse came very early in Islam; following verses address potential needs of freed slaves. 4-92, 58-3, 5-89 made freeing of slaves the primary, if not the only, way for expiation of bigger sins. 9-60 opened state's treasury for freeing slaves.
Aslam Alaikum, Jazak Allah Khair Dr Brown and Dr Yasir Kadhi for sharing your knowledge on this topic. A sister from India.
Really appreciate the video and discussion. Will look at buying some of Dr Browns books!
The eloquence of YQ is sublime ma shaa Allah, so privileged to learn from him
MAY THE PEACE MERCY AND BLESSINGS OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY ALWAYS BE WITH YOU AMEEN
I REALLY REALLY LOVE IT HOW DR. BROWN IS SO SO COOL AND CHILLED OUT! I JUST FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM.
I discovered JB from YQ. I like their same approach of thinking, analyzing, disect, thinking again & conclude. Insightful.
Shukran. Very informative lecture.
Masha Allah very nice to see a scholar of Dr Jonathan calibre spearheading the truth
I witnessed this lecture in masjid.. It was informative and a tough topic to lecture... Dr Jonathan Brown is very respectful n decent. Post lecture in mksque he walked towards us greeted n shook hands.. This shows his manners.. Those talking negative can rather give a better suggestion to improvise the lecture
His lectures are far, far, far better than his Facebook posts. JazaakumAllah to everyone involved with this.
whats bad about his posts
Great minds!!!
Maansha Allaah this American Brother is very humble . Respect from Somalia.
Masha'Allah Dr Jonathan Brown.
Dr. Jonathan Brown is an extremely intelligent man.
But not more than Dr yasir Qadhi
@@propheticadmirer1701 haha
He is intelligent alright, and he made less informed people, oppressors, and fanatics, feel good about religion allowing slavery. Smile and rejoice that an intelligent man made you feel justified in the legality of slavery.
Carl Stokes sure we are gonna take our morality from you , a mere mortal.
@Lord Slade Cool. while you have none.
Jazakallaaaahu khair...happy to see many new lectures...الحمد لله
I love epic 😙😙😙...use Sk YQ as maximum as u can
Can someone explain me why Sheikh YQ is in this mosque not in Icna or Manphis? Just I want to understand
@@datejumane5579 - He moved. He transferred. Allahu a3lam the reason
So informative discussion, read it but the way it was delivered by Dr Brown ! Bravo. Duas for Epic masjid management. This should be in History books.
Subhana'Allah. Dr Brown, on another level!
A CIA level
????????
Jazak Allahu khair very informative
He is an inspiration for us. May Allah sw be his helper in the amazing work that he does.
LOVE AND RESPECT FROM LONDON ENGLAND
The EPIC facepalm by Dr. Brown 48:11 Thank me later.
All Movie Dr. Brown Mentioned:
Wonder Woman I 27:44
13th 32:11
Thor Regnorak 32:15
The 13th Warrior 48:18
The Spartacus 65:35
12 years of a slave 71:21
Mad Max 95:39
I will make sure I eat h the movies
Serfraz Qayyum let me know if they are tasty
some of these films should be avoided
@@AC-mp7cxFor what reason? If one's iman and fitra are intact and strong nothing should shake the individual.
MashaAllah TabarakAllah Alhamdulillah
For both of you!!!
mashaAllah brother Jonathan. May Allah bless you
Ameen and you
Killing an individual has always been universally looked down upon and will not disappear anytime soon, so let's regulate the killing and make it "less" evil! In all seriousness, its so disappointing to see how people in this day in age still justifying a crime that we know is an heinous act.
false equivalency ... slavery was not "always been universally looked down upon..." as you assume
Masha'Allah may Allah continue to guide him
Well spoken speakers!
We need a Jonathan Brown youtube channel with high quality 1080p videos
Assalamualikum, best so far is the Bayan Online course at www.bayanonline.org/ and then you also have the Unofficial Dr. Jonathan Brown TH-cam channel: th-cam.com/channels/4L23Z_agh1qeV_odQfV6Vg.html
Rayhan is Jonathan Brown a Muslim?
@@rrc7878 Thanks bro
@@Gazus12345 Yes, he is, he says so in the video aswell I think
@@talhatariqyuluqatdis you are welcome!
Rabbana Wabihamdika - this is superb.
Thanks
we are in great need of scholars like them in Arab countries and bypass the Ghusl, Gin, 4 wives, Hoori issues and jump to a deeper and real target of Islam.
That’s a shame that the Arab people are still stuck on them issues
SUBHANALLAH
Very benificial. جزاك الله خير
This guy Dr Jonathan Brown have done a lot of research on various topics of Islam and Muslim history! Mashallah!!
MashAllah
Excellent talk man, great details
great vision brother well done keep it
Maasha Allah TabarakAllah. May Allah SWT bless them
This was a wonderful lecture about not just slavery in Islam, but slavery overall by Dr Brown.
My main problem with discussing slavery in Islam (or any religion for that matter) is that religions are believed to have originated from the Creator of the universe. Meaning, the criteria for judging any decree of religion is vastly different from judging any human institution throughout history, because one is by definition believed to come from a perfect law-giver.
Therefore, it is absolutely true that slavery was as universal a human institution as sex, hunting or war. There is no doubt that every human society practiced in one shape or form. However, if we believe that Qur'an is the revealed book of Allah, then we cannot judge it's moral instructions by the same criteria. Allah is supposed to exist beyond time and space, therefore we cannot justify Islamic slavery by simply appealing to history. I can certainly excuse the Ottomans, Abbasids or anyone else for not abolishing this institution, but I cannot say the same thing about holy scripture, which is supposed to be perfect for all times and places.
And an even bigger tragedy in all of this is that Muslims themselves were basically one of the last peoples on Earth to abolish slavery. Paradoxically, if it weren't for colonialism, slavery would likely be more wide spread today than it is, and it would certainly be legal in a way that it is not in this day and age. Saudi Arabia banned slavery in 1962, Mauritania in 1980. Even the Ottoman shaykh-ul Islam caved under pressure by the British to declare fetwa against slavery, only to have the person and many Ottoman soldiers massacred in Medina after reading this declaration.
sensible and good articulation.
Not you trying to justify slavery in Islam 💀
Excellent discussion. Sundiata Keira, the founder of the Mali Empire banned slavery in the 13th century. However, his successors reverses his policy on slavery. Also Queen Nzinga (West African)abolished slavery for any black person who stepped foot in her empire in the 17th century. Unfortunately, her kingdom was overrun by the Portuguese after her death.
Sundiata Keita. Great uncle of Mansa Musa Keita.
Subanallah
If I were going to the mosque for prayer and saw this lecture being presented. I would sit for a while. And then I would think to myself that this is a waste of time. I would sit for as long as I could, then I would leave having complete confidence that I just wasted time that I could never get back. If Sheikh Dr. Yasir invites someone to speak it only means that Sheikh Dr. wants to hear him speak. It does not mean that he is knowledgeable of Islam. A PhD from Georgetown or University of Chicago in Islam just means that the person can spend 3 weeks reading a chapter in a book in Arabic. And then they can write a book using it along with 20 other books written by Koofar from Germany or France. Dr. Brown does not know Arabic. No matter how many tests he has taken he does not know Arabic. And while he is a fantastic person and very sincere Muslim. Yes, I know him personally. Their is no such thing as a Muslim scholar, trained by Catholics or Koofar. Furthermore, if Dr. Brown were a teacher at an elementary school, Sheikh Dr. would not give him the time of day. Sheikh Dr. please be careful. My Imam is Jamal Badawi, because he wants nothing for himself. He was never looking to endear himself to anyone. Or to raise his name. Or to get his name out there. Or to win praise. Let's be careful. The road to heaven as a scholar is full of pain and insults. Not praise and hand clapping. and Not acceptance by the masses. Once 25 years ago, the Muslim students chanted my name at Georgetown University as I approached the podium. Out of respect. I remember it like it was yesterday. But I have to be careful. The only scholar of Islam is someone who starts by sitting on the floor of the Mosque and memorizes the Quran. After that you can give a lecture about Slavery in Islam. Sheikh Dr. said something very beautiful in about 23 of his online lectures so far. It was this: I know of people who memorized the Quran at the age of 65. Sheikh Dr. is saying that because he is encouraging us. Ok, Sheikh Dr. I accept.
What will slaves do when all of them was expelled.
For women, it would be prostitution.
Bcs, no office job like today
No agriculture, but dates farms
So they would die begging or So in this present condition better to be your masters wife,if he wishes.
Men, same,bcs
only job prevailing was trading, which, in my knowledge, requires tribal connections for both trading and security. Or you will loseout or robbed,killed when travelling.
But still, a slave can Make a contract with his master to, free himself in sheriya by paying for himself if he needs. If he cant pay, then the state should pay for his freedom.
If slave decides not to be free, he has his rights over his owner, and can complain to court.
you may ask,Why do someone decides to be a slave?Answer is Bcs they do not know to be free,and live free. Theyre mentally incapable.
Look at abraham lincon. When he freed slaves, many came back running to their masters asking them to take them back. Bcs all these years they were told what to do..
@ and @ have been the greatest @ for @!!!
What's the name of the book mentions at the beginning?
Misquoting Muhammad
I'm not sure if Jonathan Brown addressed this, but doesn't slavery still exist today in various forms?
A person who is forced to work +50 hours per week, forced to pay 30-40 percent income tax, forced to adhere to a certain standard of living, forced to reduce activities relating to family, deen, volunteering, are they still not a slave? Just because we get weekends off and 3 weeks vacation?
Slavery still exists. It just evolved.
Yes
No one forces anyone to work these days - you can work to live and pay taxes to get security in the country you live or live like a beggar not utilising your God given abilities and talents and not prosper in society.
In USA, if I want to quit my job who I work 50 hour per week and get e other that only work 30 but pay more I can. Can a slave go to be the slave of other person just like that? No. So no working in a company does not equality to slavery. Company has rules that ones accept but later decide is not fair we can just quit. A person in a company can missed day with no problem (depending of the attendance policy) if person does not return to work the company does not persecute the person to come back. There free will and freedom.
I am agree that jail people are like slave and that depend of the state the person are. But work in person are made to debilitation (porpoise of the prisoner to be able to maintain sanity during imprisonments) there is work release programs that is a privilege to the inmates (they able to work in company outside the prision and interact with other not inmates) this program is done when sentence is about to finish to Ensure a job security and moral stability for the inmate integration to society (at least in my state they get pay like any other person but the money have to put in bank account in their name only)
I most say other state are barbaric
@@elisalopezdelacruz3563 Miss if you are a worker You are a slave.It is calles wage Slavery.This is in a historical context 100% Fact.Your example does not change the fact that the person is a slave,he just changes his owner.Even Abraham lincoln admitted that admitted that working for a wage for the rest of your life was slavery,his ony defence was that workers had the freedom to become self employed.But that is not the fact,you are forced to work because of the cirmcumstances your goverment and the tyrannical capitalistic sysytem has put you in that the only way you can earn a living i.e SURVIVE is to be a slave for them.Think about,you own your whole life for them,the books you read and the Subjects you study in your degree is all tailored to serve the companies needs etc.You can listen to Noman Chomsky's lectures about wage slavery.
@@elisalopezdelacruz3563 if there was no slavery then now we not have Egyptian pyramid , great wall of China , taj mahal , and many more structures which helped human civilisation to evolve
We need more such the lectures from the such peoples
Christian Missionary Bigotry: Offensive Mockery for Christ?! WATCH IT NOW.
A summary here: 45:35
Much more important than the abolition of slavery is the justices and equality. The face to the final triumph of Islam when Mohamed defeated Macca was a Black Slave named Bilal standing on the top Kabba the most secret place for Arabia and Muslims basically accounting that Humans are the holiest being on earth and a black slave represented the human race. Even when Muhamad entered the Kabba he choose Bilal and Osama another dark skin and the son of servant. The last thing Mohamed said in his major speech to Muslims in Hajj “There are no difference between black and white or Arab and other races or a man and a woman but their deeds toward God”. That is why you can hardly find a block person killed because he was black through out Muslims history but we still seeing black being killed just because they are black in the western countries the most free places in world.
Abolition of slavery means nothing without serious and sincere abolition of racism. Muhamad made sure abolition of racism is core concept of being a Muslim and that what the west cannot accomplish until now even when full abolition of slavery is achieved. It is much harder to achieve abolition of racism.
But isn't Islam supposed to be timeless? It's the last religion shouldn't it have pushed towards abolition from its inception? There are a lot of things in Islam that at the time of the prophet(pbuh) the sahaba didn't completely understand and just said allahu alim. Wouldn't you think that Allah would just make it haram? This is something that I just can't quite understand and I don't think has a straight forward answer. I'm not a scholar just an average Joe with questions. Other than that this was a very interesting lecture.
re watch the video, it was clearly stated
sammy salama
Hi
Some things are prohibited via negative command and some via positive command
In school a teacher can say to kids
Don’t run
Or
Can just say to them: walk!
Saying do not run is a negative command
Saying :walk is a positive command
Saying do t have a slave is a negative command
Saying free slaves is a positive command
Islam
Used positive command to free slaves
You guys should invit brother dr
Jonathan to internationella islamic confrannce
Yes
It's sad that we have to have this conversation due to the pressures political activism based in non Islamic ideology. Liberalism truly ruines everything it touches.
Obviously every nation only a few centuries ago had slavery and was eliminated by industrial progression & efficiency due to the demands of the market.
True. Have you read any books on the economic reasons behind the abolition of slavery tho? I'd like to hear your sources.
Allah bless u dr jonathan brown
here are some information about slavery in islam:
in the islamic "version" of "slavery", slaves actually had rights and were supposed to be treated with respect, similar like ordinary workers or merchandisers in today's time. they could even have power and work their way up. Contrary to the rest of the world, in the Islamic world Slaves could become and have become possesors of high positions and prestige, like doctors, military generals, scholars, advisers to kings or even themselfes becoming kings and heads of states. Many so called slaves were appointed by muslims as governors, commanders of army and administrators. we have in the islamic history several SLAVE KINGDOMS. slaves who became the kings and rulers in the islamic system. like the mamluke sultanate in egypt or the delhi sultanate, these were slave kingdoms (a quick google search should be enough for haters to get to know about these great islamic slave kingodms). in our islamic system, the "slaves" could become and have become many times in history, THE RULERS AND THE KINGS. In the mamluke sultanate in egypt, the slaves even had a social status above the citizens of Egypt (source:Perry, Glenn E. (2004). The History of Egypt. pp.51-52). this would not be possible in the western-style slavery, where the slaves were treated worse than animals and had no rights and were only used for labour work, and where there were active "human zoos" up until the 1950s (disgusting). thats a huge difference between the islamic system of "slavery" and the slavery which comes to mind, when you think about the ruthless barbarious european slave system. Even the word "slavery" is totally unappropriate within the islamic regulations and islamic system. Islam made it a virtue to free slaves, and inculcate them into society as equal citizens, almost 1500 years ago. islam encourages the muslims very much to free slaves. the freeing of a slave is a very noble good deed in islam. Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)."8 (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)" . furthermore, the holy Quran says: "And what do you know what that difficult steep (good way) is? It is the freeing of a slave" [90:12-13]. and the freeing of a slave also became a duty for muslims after comitting a certain types of sins. some sins must be eradicated by the freeing of a slave. Slavery was a universal law in the Roman, Greek, Persian, Indian, and Arab civilizations. It was not Islam that introduced slavery. After the advent of Islam, as i said, slaves were given better treatment. All their human rights were safeguarded. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) commanded proper treatment for slaves, that they should be fed from what other Muslims eat, be clothed from what other Muslims wear, and be not asked to do work beyond their ability unless they're helped. The prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Your servants and your slaves are your brothers. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case I advise you to help them. (Source: Bukhari, Iman, 22; Adab, 44; Muslim, Iman, 38-40). in the western christian world (and in other non-islamic lands), the poor slaves were treated worse than animals. and not to forget, Islam came when slavery was practiced widely. It was not suitable to ban slavery at once. Islam, however, tried to drain the source of slavery and close its gate gradually. In fact, Islam was the first system to inculcate the freedom of slaves and take steps to make them equal citizens of society. also in islamic law, the slaves had the rights to demand freedom if the ransom was payed (that right was called "mukataba"). if the slaves couldn't afford the ransom, they usually found merciful and God-fearing muslims who donated the ransom for them. you wont find such a right in any other system, where the slave could demand freedom from his chief. Moreover, the islamic "version" of "slavery" is so different to the western-type slavery or other types, that it should not even be called slavery. First of all, it had NOTHING to do with skin color, as opposed to the barbaric european atlantic slave trade. The europeans considered it as morally fine to enslave africans and use them like animals for labour work, due to their skin colour. In fact in islam, people who captured free people in order to enslave them (as europeans colonizers did to africans) are regarded as one of the worst type of creatures. the Prophet Muhammad (blessings of Allah and peace be upon him) said: "There are three categories of people against whom I shall myself be a plaintiff on the Day of Judgment . Of these three, one is he who enslaves a free man, then sells him and eats this money" (Bukhari and Ibn Maja). Skin color was never an issue when it came to slavery. As the Prophet Muhammad said: "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action"
Reference: Al-Bukhari, Hadith 1623, 1626, 6361
@darkness101011 thank you. but it's not a summary of that lecture (i didn't fully watch that lecture) . i just posted this as an addition
some of the "slaves" became sultan warriors and were great help in defeating emenies.
Also muslims were integral to the trans-atlantic slave trade thru the Muslim kingdoms of West Africa who sold them.
... because that's the rumor that's been going around. We're WOMEN treated as human beings?
People getting triggered in the comment section. Basically in a nutshell what hes saying: Slavery was 'normal'/ 'the norm' in past history. Islam is the first religion in world history which puts rules and regulation on having slaves.
Whats the book that Yasir Qahdi talks about at the end of the book?
What is the title of the book that is mentioned by the professor and by sheikh Yasir?
The Walking Qur'an
What was the name the book they talked about at the end?!
Slavery and Islam by Dr.jonathan brown
Most HANDSOME
Well covered, I guess the reality is modern employment, particularly for immigrants, is a lot worse than the slavery ever was under Islamic rule.
How did you draw that conclusion? A slave do not have the same rights as a non slave even in the Qur'an. What? You think because the prophet advocates treating slaves a bit better than they used to treat them, it is now okay? I find it remarkable that a god who call himself Al adl, Al Aziz the judge the mighty can sit around and forbid consumption of pork, but fail to forbid slavery, which is a gross human Injustice. What a farce. Everybody in this feed nodding their heads in tacit agreement to what this guys said aught to feel ashamed of themselves. I morn at the treatment of Muslims around the world by colonial powers and their puppets, but I would not feel sad if Abrahamic religions, Hinduism, and any other institutionalized religion advocating supremacy, slavery, bigotry, mycoginy, and any other ideas of oppression would disappear or get so watered downed that it no longer reassemble the source material. I find it odd that Muslims complain about how the kuffar abuse the believers stealing their lands and resources, but the Quran advocates such treatment of non believers. I agree that some Western powers abuse believers, but that does not by anyway justify the same unjust dictates in the Qur'an and Sunnah. The Muslims if they maintained their control over the world that they once held would have not been any better than the greedy capitalist of today, I go even further they may have been worse. Yemen is a prime example why I think this. It is far past time to start questioning these antiquated concepts of the past and find healthy and just ways to structure our societies. Slavery is horrible across time, it is horrible no matter who is doing it, and who is legislating it.
@@carlstokes1984 My friend I have lived in over 12 countries across all continents (not Antarctica of course). The connotations that a westerner carries with him over a matter such as slavery are vastly distinct from a learned muslim. In many places including the US ,the life of an low-income illegal immigrant compared to slave under muslim rule is much worse. they have absolutely no rights of ownership in society, and live under very severe working conditions. A prime example could be the UAE, devoid of any islamic practice (as they have ditched all of that) employ thousands of labors from the indian subcontinent(nepal, bangladesh). these guys are put in labour camps, they begin work at 4am-6pm, with an hour drive back to the labour camp, 6 days a week, with extremely bad living conditions. Formally, this is considered 'employment' and not 'slavery'. Compare that to Islam, where the Prophet commands to take care of the slave: 'clothe them with what you clothe yourselves, feed them with what you eat'. you are making judgements about slavery 1400 years latter when basically your economy no longer needs high intensive labour. Moreover, Islam eradicated slavery through encouraging freeing the slaves like no other system/ person did, untill 11 hundred years later.
Other remarks about the Quran are completely false, the main fundamental of the Quran is to establish justice, as stated in surah 57 verse 25:
"We have already sent Our messengers with clear evidence and sent down with them the Scripture and the balance that the people may maintain [their affairs] in justice. And We sent down iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people, and so that Allah may make evident those who support Him and His messengers unseen. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might."
Basically stating that the mission of the messengers of God and the whole essesnce of religion is to establish 'justice', and if the powers wont allow God has given you means of Arms to fight those injust, tyrannical powers, to ensure Justice pervails.
What’s the name of his book he authored on slavery?
The whole time I was thinking this guy reminds me a lot of sheikh Hamza Yusuf and voila he mentions him at the end. Great minds think alike.
May Allah bless him
Utube Viewer both soft spoken man
Time stamp?
@@maniac3173 1:45:10
Yes it is perfectly okay to have slavery because a white guy with a degree agreed with a horrible religious dictate. You know this is wrong to your very core, but because he cosign it you ready to go round up some slaves.
Ahmad (22978) narrated from Abu Nadrah: Someone who heard the khutbah of the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on the second of the days of at-Tashreeq told me that he said: “O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?” They said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) has conveyed the message.
Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Saheehah (6/199).
Slavery was never abolished, it was only extended to include all the colors
Right? And I guess their minds it make more equitable. The depths of denial and and rationalizing the human can go to is astounding. It's a pity because no Muslim or rationale person would like to be a slave, and because God okays it still doesn't make it reasonable.
slavery is inevitability, that's why islam not strictly prohibit the slavery and only recommend to free the slavery, wawallahu a'lam 🙏
One of the miracle of the quran. Slavery can never be abolished, it comes in one form or the other. Hence Allah asked us to free them, which is a better instruction than absolution. ALLAHU AKBAR!
Exactly. and that is what modern people fail to understand.
yahyajamiu Thank you for making this distinction. People keep confusing “freeing” with “abolishing”. Theoretically speaking, if all the slaves were eventually freed or died through natural causes in an Islamic country, then slavery would be temporarily “abolished” but that doesn’t mean that slavery can’t exist again in the future.
This discussion was one of the best in modern days. I would like to add few points.
1. Concubines must had the right to reject their owner's advances. The insident of Juiriah Bint Al Harith may Allah be pleased with her is a good testimony to this. After she was captured by the army, she was assigned as a slave to a Muslim. She rejected him and went directly to prophet Muhammad and asked him for mukatabah and the Muslim treasury should pay her price! Prophet Muhammad did not disagree to her request, but suggested she would be freed and marry him instead. She agreed to that.
2. Allah couldn't have shied out from saying what He intended in the Quran. He meant what He wants to say.
3. I think slavery according to Islamic terms will be like a controlled reeducation camp. Offering on hand training for future Muslims. If they can manage alone, they will buy themselves out into freedom, if not, they will be protected.
4. Mamluks are slaves who saved the Islamic civilization and the world from destruction. They came from weak and spoiled countries, they were captured by an enemy. Had they been only a liability, they would have been killed. Another spoiled rich society bought the Mamluke slaves and took care of them. The slaves got stronger and took over the hosting society. Finally they checked out the Mongols in India and the middle east. They thrived and even had rulig female queens in both Egypt and India!
I would say slavery was one of the built in safeguards of Islam. Thus, Islam intends not to rule out slavery completely!
So Juriah had two choices: either marry Muhammad or be somebody's slave. What would you choose? Is this a good situation to be in? Why did Muhammad instead not just say, "NO SLAVERY IS PERMITTED!"?
*Consider this Sahih Muslim hadith:*
"We [Muhammad’s merry men] went out with Allah's messenger on the expedition to the Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing azl" (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: "We are doing an act whereas Allah's messenger [i.e., Muhammad] is amongst us; why not ask him?" So we asked Allah's messenger and he said: "It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born". (Sahih Muslim, Vol. 2, #3371)
Tellingly, the role model of the Muslims, Muhammad, does not exclaim:
“DO NOT FORNICATE WITH THE CAPTIVES!”
Nor does he exclaim to the married men: “DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY WITH THE CAPTIVES!!”
Finally, we note that he does not yell: “DO NOT RAPE THE CAPTIVES!!!”
So the Debate Question is then: “Why did Muhammad not instead say, “Leave the poor captives alone!”?
this is very heavy stuffs... Dr Brown is too smart for me ^^
@David Lynch ah yes sheikh google when in doubt never fails.
1:35:40 😄 sheik Yasir and Dr. Brown partners in Mad Max situation.
You Guys realize that the Interest Based Banking and Capitalist Economic System is the currently unprecedented GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT INSTITUTION ??!
Joe George
Well you apparently do
Seriously, so does that make okay to continue upholding slavery? Be better and "what aboutisms" do not erase the discomfort you feel when you read verses in the Qur'an and Sunnah justifying slavery.
The title of the book is (Slavery and Islam)
points this speaker is covering
1) Dr Brown mentioned early Muslims had slaves , no Muslims have had slaves right up to the present day.
2) American is not perfect but has acknowledge slavery is WRONG. Lets hear if Muslims will say Mohammed was wrong.
3) Dr.Brown - Defining Slavery is problem. No it is not. Comparing factory workers to slavery is a cop out
i could go on but the whole exercise is an excuse , just hurry up and admit Slavery is wrong.
if this debate could be of monotheism on which Islam is based on that will be good
What book is he talking about? Anyone can share the title?
I think it's Brown's latest book "Slavery and Islam"
@@bluekrazykris thank you!!!
Sheikh, I also watched those movies.. For research.. 😜
not good brother
Watched "WonderWoman" And "ThorRagnarok".
Just for research purposes.
A salve could go to judge complaining if her owner harmed here. A slave has no rights, her owner can simply sell her.
This guy is so cool
So what he is saying is that Allah wanted to end slavery slowly buy putting restrictions on dealing with slaves. This seems like a terrible plan since slavery in Arab world didn't end for the next 1500 years but only recently.
It makes no sense no matter how you look at it. And the prophet was participating in the buying and selling of slaves. How can you end something when you’re an active participant?
Why do Shias and Sunnis disagree with the Hadith????
First the question should be.. why they disagree with each other.. And that itself should answer your question
Sound is not clear
About 50:00 Discusses how morals come from the society you grow up in. Logically, he is suggesting that if you are raised in a 'Christian' society, then you will see 'Christian morals' as normal and not realize it.
If unwanted sexual contact being forced on a woman is always considered harmful outside of a marriage, why not within a marriage?
well within the confines of marriage sex is to be expected so if one spouse denies the other that is a sin as far as i know especially since it will tempt them to then at the worst case commit adultery
@Haqim Al-Arabia Yes there absolutely is such a thing as rape within marriage. Dr Brown said things are traditionally evaluated on harm. Being forced into sexual acts when you don't want to be touched is psychologically harmful whether you are married or not. But when you have to live with your rapist, who rapes you repeatedly, it can be much more traumatic.
A wife doesn't need to submit to everything. Abuse is never acceptable. Sexual consent cannot be simply taken for granted. Wive are supposed to loved, not degraded and sexually assaulted.
Marital rape is also much more likely to be violent than rape by a stranger or new aquaintance. Societies that don't acknowledge marital rape also ignore that their mothers, sisters and daughters are being beaten up. It's morally reprehensible.
@@madaxwayne Rape is a far worse sin, it is even worse than adultery. For the same reason that being raped by a stranger is more traumatic than being merely assualted, so too being raped by a spouse is more traumatic than being physically assualted by them.
If an unmarried man is expected to not sleep around then a unsatisfied married man has no excuse. A husband and wife have an obligation to look after each others needs. But if the womans needs are not being met in other areas of the marriage and she is angry or depressed then no, she should not be expected to sleep with him on command.
This is lot of obfuscation and fudging going on here. God could prohibit legal adoption, change the qiblah, enforce defensive warfare (Jihad), command women to cover up, and much more with a single verses in the Qur'an. Are we to believe that God could not, if he so wished, ban slavery too in the same way? It is pure sophistry to say that if a verse had descended from heaven abolishing all forms of slavery, the Muslims society would have plunged into total anarchy, and people would not have known left from right. It is a facile, dubious argument. Slavery was a great evil in the so called Jahiliya times, as was seen in the life of the companion, Bilal Ibn Rabah, who was tortured mercilessly by his masters for adopting Islam. If he could be manumitted from slavery, why not everyone else? Only one answer suggests itself, and it does not cast the God of Qur'an in a favorable light: God did not really think non-muslims slaves deserved freedom; it could even be that he did not think certain races deserved to be free. The phrase, 'whom your right hand possesses' is a damning evidence that Islamic slavery, no less than transatlantic slave trade, was in its essence a tyrannical owning of one person by another. Doctor Brown seems to be suggesting that the more benevolent forms of slavery are permissible, and even recommended.
Absolutely. Allah phased out alcohol, which was apparently a big part of the culture back then, as was slavery. So why was there nothing the same for slavery? And because there has been no direct banning of slavery has led to the continuation of slavery in Muslim societies to this day e.g. Mauritania.
Alhumdillah; This is a very educational lecture. This video should be watch by all Afro-caribbean and Afro-Americans descents regardless if they are muslim or non-muslims.
15:16 😂😂😂 Biryani party
Did I understand correctly. Is Brown saying that slavery could be needed in the future?
He absolutely is not saying that. He starts out by saying it is an abomination.
Factory workers are not the same as slaves. Comparison is not fair.
I wonder if Dr. Jonathan Brown gets dentain at US Airports (Customs & Border Patrol) like I do every time I travel to Egypt, North Africa & Middle East.
I am convert also, so I am just checking
Phrase your question properly u are saying if he gets detained in us no he doesn't he probably does by what you meant in arab tho idk
@@betiknow9020 - What? Learn correct grammar, how to properly conduct sentence structure and use capital letters when needed, dweeb.
How do you know he doesn't get detained at the US Airports? Most people I know who travel get those 4 capitalized SSSS on their return tickets and get put into a room to be integrated by US Customs & Border Patrol
Reading comprehension is NOT your strong point.
i think he went towards the core teachings of islam. well, dress code is just as much essential, as you do, but keeping in view to the political atmosphere, he can escape his way out easily. at the end, its your intention.
Ppl are confuse the word servent with the word slave
Islam abolished slavery by ELIMINATING the conditions of slavery, just as it has prohibited zina (fornication and adultery) by FORBIDDING believers not to "come near unto zina."
Muhammad Bought and Sold slaves..
BLACK SLAVES OF MUHAMMAD
Sahih Muslim, Book 10,
Number 3901:
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) on migration; he (the Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man).
No religion or prophets tried to abolish slavery but he came and successfully abolished it.
No religion or prophets tried to abolish polygamy, but he is almost abolish it
No religion or prophet tried to increase the matrimonial age of a woman , but he almost made all the countries to pass a law on this.
And he has many cool achievements and projects on his resume.
But when the appointed day comes, he will dissolve like salt dissolve in the water
Allah is the Akbar
Haniff Umar but a Muslim man can marry four wives??
white man speak arabic is always interesting for me
There are many white arabic muslims worldwide. I've met Muslims of every race in my life.
The reasons why Americans feel a great sense of discomfort regarding slavery is because they treated black slaves worse than animals. For the rest of us here in Africa, where people struggle worse than the slaves of ancient Arabia, we would be happy to have a home and a master who treats us well and allows us to have safety, security and a family, than to starve in the drought of Somalia or Kenya. American guilt should shape our view of the world. They are the ones who did the deed, not us, and not the Muslims. Nobody promotes slavery, and Muslims take great pride in freeing slaves. However, every time and place in history has a context. If I was prisoner of war, I would rather be a slave to the ancient Muslim companions, than be in an American prison or in Guantanamo bay.
Salavery was a parenting at a time and slave owners just got worse remember education was less and ambition we all slaves just who and what you submit to a man does be a slave to his desire ma Sha Allah , what you really want to free people from
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People should NOT think of slavery in Isalm (as they put it), as being the 'same' as slavery in America. The simple fact is that (in most cases), you find slavery in our human history is in cases where a person was 1. Enslaved due to the conquering of their land (which was the most common). 2. Due to debt (that one would have to work off) 3. Due to crimes (mostly during the rule of England where people had to work off a crime or be banished etc.
In Islam we are not taught to treat slaves in the same way as we find in the history of America or UK. In fact there are various ahadith that mention treating them as you would a family member. Clothing them with what you clothed yourself. I think people try to use slavery in 'Islam' to harm the religion and or take some of the burden off of what was done in the states pertaining to the treatment of black slaves. Through history we find all types of slaves not just blacks. And sadly in a lot of countries this still exist due to proverty, etc.
The term slavery is in the Bible, Torah and Qur'an because again it was done during the conquering of lands and their people became enslaved. Its not rocket science but people are always looking to point the finger without full knowledge. And we are always catering to the west b/c the ruling lands is ALWAYS the land that's imitated.
Muslims countries need to get more backbone (ie stop always catering to the west, yes be respectful and cordial but stop overdoing it), b/c we have the success (Sunnah as practiced according to the early generations of Muslims ) , we just dont understand or use it properly. We again imitate the ruling countries who are not going to succeed b/c they put their desire before their Lord. May Allah have mercy on our souls Ameen