Good morning to you ! I am an Grandpa and Cross Cub tourist from Japan . It is a nice bike video!! Honda Super Cub C125 is nice looks !! Have a nice day !
I am so excited about this bike, having left motorcycling for 20 years, I am desperate to feel that fun buzz again. This review made me smile in that special motorcycling way again. Despite the apparent compromises of this bike, nicely pointed out in this video I still want one.
Mr Fish, another great test. The bike is manufactured in Thailand. Last year's Honda Cup was better as it had a long normal seat that can easily carry 4 people (considered an SUV car in Thailand). The Honda Cup sold in Thailand is 110cc, normal spoked wheels and is about £1,100 on the road. You can change the gear pedal for normal type of pedal for about £4 from Honda in Thailand.
Thailand has a factory in Thailand that builds nearly all the Honda motorbikes under 750cc now. Thailand also have factories building Ducati, BMW, Triumph and Harley Davidson motorbikes.
Hoping to shed some light on why the Cub is designed the way it is all these years: Toe/heel gearshifter - As Cubs were ridden by a lot of businessmen (still is, in Japan), you can wear leather shoes without fear of scuffing them up. ***Tip= You can toe the gearshifter down from “4th” to neutral and then “1st”. The shifting pattern goes in a circular manner aka 1-2-3-4-N-1-2-3-4. Useful if you’re approaching a stop from 4th. You can also do the pattern in reverse with the heel. Gears/enclosed drive chain - Lower costs, longer maintenance interval. You can drench that chain in lube and not worry about messing up your attire with the covers on. Easy to adjust gearing ratio, replace sprockets/chain quickly, should they break/need replacing etc. Makes Cub much cheaper to self maintain compared to fully automatics scooters with drive belts. Rear rack/pillion foot pegs: Here’s a mystery. The C125 as sold in Asia (other countries too?) come with rack & pillion pegs as standard. And there’s a pillion seat pad you can buy if you wish to have a pillion along. Maybe Honda UK hopes to milk buyers for accessories that should have been standard?
Thats useful info .. i couldn't fit my foot under to toe shift it back down .. i noticed the the holes for pegs but they look pretty solidly blocked (not like just a bung) but fingers crossed
@@Mrfish2015 Hi Mr Fish, I meant you could keep tapping it down with the ball of your foot, so likewise the way you shift 1-2-3-4, by pressing down again, you'd get "N" and the cycle continues. 1-2-3-4-N-1-2-3-4 etc.
Just as I thought while watching the video... someone must have told him by now. He must have been thinking about the bike purely from a scooter rider's point of view, and not from the market/intended user base point of view.
It is a centrifugal clutch which means if you throttle back you can change gear. The Honda Dream and Honda Wave are rider and pillion passenger variants and in Thailand I have seen 5 people riding one bike. Three is quite common and depending on their dress the women sometimes ride side saddle. 2 year old sit on a seat in front of mum or dad. The Cub in Thailand has a substantial luggage rack behind the seat. Throw over saddle bags are use to carry mail and they are used in Thailand and Australia by Post Officers so we call them Postie Bikes. They are incredibly robust and easy and cheap to repair. With a single rider the bike pulls away quite well in second gear. First is only needed for very steep hill starts or slow riding on rough bush tracks. The Honda Wave has many tie down points allowing big loads to be (illegally) carried. In Thailand we tow two wheel Chinese Wheelbarrows with these Honda bikes. A rice bag is wrapped around the cross bar of the wheelbarrow handle and we sit on the bag, that is the only towing connection. I delivered a refrigerator using this system. Go Honda. The highway speed limit in Thailand is 90 KM/H equal to 56 MPH. I find the wind uncomfortable over 60 KPH or 37 MPH so I ride slow and enjoy the view. Who needs a big, heavy, expensive, dangerous speed machine when one can cruise around happy and relaxed on a Honda Cub? In Thailand they cost 42,300 Thai Baht, equal to British Pounds £1,046 , or Euros €1,157. I have bought 7 Honda motorbikes in my life thought I mostly travel by car. They are just so much fun to ride and one feels so free.
I wouldn't pretend to say what HONDA did wrong with this little bike, I've owned one since 1981 with zero problems and Honda has sold over 100 million of them as of 2017 so they've likely got the formula worked out pretty well by now.
Excellent video in that you capture the essence of the thing. I have been riding bikes since 1968 and am now downsizing ; the BMWs and Guzzis are gone but I still want to have fun. My current bike is a Forza 125 is brilliant but I will get one of these-lovely,simple air cooled engine , nice silencer without the horrible matt black paint, tubeless tyres, LED lights- there is so little to go wrong. Give it plenty of oil changes and it will run forever.
Brilliant. C90,s were indestructable. I pretty much learnt to ride a bike on one in the early eighties. And 180mpg is amazing. Super cool bike, might get one to join the street triple and z1000sx in the garage. Great review.👍
The basic KISS concept was never considered here, and thus over complicated the process. Reminds me of the touchbar on a macbook pro, that no one ever wanted nor asked for, and made the user interaction more difficult with more clicks. Keys work.
@@reddpill Just too bad they didnt keep it as what it was designed to be. Cheap simple transport for the masses. If they would have kept the cost down a bit more and put on a luggage rack these things could have been marketed to college students and city dwellers and sold like crazy. Instead they make it less practical more expensive and try to sell it based on its retro looks alone.
@Dragomir Ronilac My bike is made in Taiwan where a lot of the honda engines are made. Its not considered a chinese bike. It is a 100cc 4 stroke and I have ridden 26,000km on it. The only replacement part , a chain. IT is exactly the same design as the previous Honda cub, the most popular bike in the world. New Electronic gadgets are there to suck in young people.
You haven't mentioned the lovely engine characteristics when compared to most 125s. These are torquey low revving engines that sound like tiny dirt or rally bikes. The characteristics were something I really complained about with many other small bikes I rode compared to my Wabe 125i (almost same engine and revision as the C125). Despite similar specs (2v same bore and stroke) the CB125's I owed had no low end torque and needed rev like crazy - sounding lime an angle grinder when cruising. The automatic scooters I rode do also sound really anaemic often times, even though can accelerate faster due to their CVT making better use the engines peak power. Though as a trade off CVTs have far worse durability a d handle far worse due to the heavy unsprung weight in the swingarm as the engine and gearbox are on the swingarm.
I bought a Honda c50 in the early 1970s for my wife. It cost £147.00. In todays money that equates to £2000.00 so I suppose the price is about right for this 125cc model.
I enjoyed your video very much I received my Honda Super Cub C125 today 02/11/2018 and I am very very pleased with my purchase I also have a Royal Enfield Bullet 500 2017 which I also love
The key fob is actually connected to an immobilizer and makes the bike much less desirable for thieves, if you live in a big city it's a very welcome feature and an added bit of security. I think Honda nailed it with this one and I'm very happy they decided to put it into production. Granted, for the western market I think a 250-300cc model would be welcome.
yeh, but put a bigger engine in it, and it's not the same bike any more, you then have a helix or a silverwing, and it's moved out of the category it was aimed at . townies, learners, girls, kids, you'd then have to uprate the frame, brakes, lights, the whole bike. bang, it's gone. It's a cute bike, be nice if they followed the format of the old one, dual seat and pegs, key, kickstart, etc. always the same with manufacturers, the Mk1 is always the definitive model, the Mk2 /3/4/5 gets fatter, lazier, more complex, and more unreliable. , (golfs, escorts etc)
SuperCubs are brilliant. On my old C90 I used to sit further back almost on the rear seat so a twin seat would give you more room to shuffle about on a long journey. Any bike is most fun at the edge of it’s performance envelope and you get to the edge of that envelope pretty quickly on a Cub which is why they’re so awesome 😎
The Asian version has two seats on the back (plus foot-rests) and a small luggage rack over the front wheel. I think it was a bad mistake not to follow that design for the UK.
Taken delivery and can confirm that the UK owners manual states a weight limit of 106kg and NO pillion. Gearbox is indeed cyclical. Very good low and mid range torque. 1st sees 29 mph, 2nd an indicated 50 - not much beyond that from the other two gears. Terminal velocity for me is 57mph in 3rd. Time to go on a diet :-) Dealers should ask the weight of buyers - this limit was not publicised until I'd taken delivery and read the manual. Delivery driver told me, "oh it will do 70mph" - haha - not a chance
35 + years ago when i was in early teens, we used to ride Honda 90s (and 50s, even 70s )on some large waste land (an old tip ,years later called a nature reserve lol) and the gears were 1 back, (1st gear) 2 forward (2nd gear, avoiding neutral) and another forward for 3d and final gear! No idea how old the bikes were, we used to buy them from a bike shop as track bikes (failed mots) and strip as much off the bike as possible to loose weight! They used to rust n snap the seat! Great days!
I love the Cub gearbox. You do have a clutch - it's actuated by pressing the gearchange pedal and releasing it. To operate it with finesse takes a bit of skill but it's worth developing and adds to the riding involvement. I wouldn't want a full auto. I love my Innova 125 round the Cheshire lanes where it excels! Easy to park in town as well. I love the lightness and the handling and the gearbox! Mine's a 2012 (last year of production, fuel injected) I bought for 1,500 quid when it was 3 years old and added a Wave front basket and a top box, 1 owner, from the Cornish dealer who'd originally supplied it and serviced it. It still looks like new (it's silver-grey) and I ride it more than my R9T and can't imagine ever getting rid of it. BTW, the gearbox goes 0-1-2-3-4 and if you are stationary another tap down takes it to neutral again (but not if you are on the move). I'm quite a bit heavier than your 17 stone but a bit shorter too at 5-11 and my Innova will do 55 on the flat with me on it and even in the Peak District 3rd will suffice on most hills. I have had one fault with it - it started to run roughly but a second hand fuel injector (£25 off eBay) cured that.
I restored an original 50cc cub from 1979. I repainted it in ocean blue to look like Butch O'Hare's F4f Wildcat complete with a roundel, white upholstery and a basket. It always drew smiles wherever I drove it. Then my old lady made me sell it, I miss that little scooter.
Back in the day, the one up, three down shift pattern WAS the standard, and was followed by the British and European manufacturers for decades. My 1970 Guzzi Ambassador with 4spd uses it, and from the factory had a toe/heel shifter that could be set up for either the right or left foot. It wasn't until the 1970s that the one down, four up shift pattern took over as the standard. My 1969 CM91 Super Cub did not have a rotary transmission as Mr. Coffee and Gasoline claims. It was a 3spd semi-automatic, with a one up, two down pattern if I'm not mistaken. Bridgestone and possibly Suzuki were the only modern makers to use a rotary gearbox and shift pattern that I know of. It was too easy to inadvertently go from 4th to 1st at high speed and damage the gearbox.
I think they have done a fantastic job. I'm a proud owner of an original c90, and it is in mint condition with less than 5.5k miles. If they add on two seats and sell it in sky blue I'm having one
As 'Coffee & Gasoline' told you, you are not really the intended user. This bike (all its predecessors) are basically 'the' workhorse of Japan and other east Asian countries. Honda would not dream of trying to sell this here in Japan without first fitting carrying rack and rear footpegs. I am sure I have seen the older 90cc version with footpegs, too, although the bike never has a rear 'seat', only a rack you put a seat-like cover on. Have you seen the TopGear boys trying to destroy on of these like they tried to destroy a Toyota Hilux? They dropped it off a building, then stood it up and rode it away, a bit mangled. It's worth a quick look. Thanks for the video.
Could be that this video shows a special version of the bike, then, perhaps. I say that as, as you may know, the Cub and Super Cub have been built and used as workhorses here in Japan for decades. I know that Honda does make non-standard versions, though. I'd be surprised if they'd made a 'pretty' version of the Super Cub that is standard in every other regard, though. Take, for example, the CC110 and CT110 versions. I think only the CC110 is still in production, or at least on sale as a domestic market version here in Japan. They are also referred to as 'postie bikes' in Australia, I think, where they have been used as postal delivery bikes in rural areas for years. Honda is clearly smart enough to make non standard versions of anything if there is a niche or cult market for the it. I'd bet good money that the version you have ridden - by the way which country are you in? - is not intended to be the workhorse model here and in other Asian countries, but without checking my facts I may be mistaken. EDIT... I see you are the original poster, so you, too, are a Briton! That may explain the 'pretty' version of this, perhaps. Anyway, thanks for responding.
How to wheelie a Cub: Start rolling slowly in first gear. GENTLY depress the shift pedal until you hear the clutch release but WITHOUT shifting to second gear. Pin the throttle. When the revs are up yank your foot off the shift pedal and hang on. Sure, maybe you'll drag the back fender. If it's damaged just cut it off and next time maybe you can loop it. Be mindful that this does no favors to the driveline so is best done on a test ride or with a friend's Cub. And, of course, only do this on a closed course and only if you are a professional wearing full safety gear.
At last, Thank you Mr Fish for a brilliant review. Honda have done a fantastic job with the retro Cub. I've got big bikes but I'm pretty sure me and a lot of other bikers need a small bike as well in the stable. I'm seriously considering the Super Cub or the Monkey!
Good review! I live in Thailand and have a 7 yr old honda wave 125. That kind of gearbox is in many different hondas as you know. One big advantage for learners and lazy riders is that you can pull away in any gear, 4th is very slow ha ha. People here in Thailand just pull up without bothering to put it in neutral. They then get off the bike (still running in gear) have a smoke or whatever and then just open the throttle and pull away changing into a more suitable gear if necessary and if required. Perfect for learners and lazy people...ha ha. Oh I also ride a t120 Triumph and mainly use the 125 for suburb commuting.
Click forward in 4th when stationary and it'll go straight into neutral ;) They're also installable and great in traffic. That design also makes them very durable. Scooters have dry clutches that burn out easy. Not these, you'll see them tow giant trailers im Cambodia or Sidecars with huge loads, day in day out. Those engines have a reputation for ruggedness.
Good review. The red one's actually matched with more of a cream scheme than that brilliant white. So very classic. A long time ago I dismissed any step through as unworthy/irrelevant. Now I appreciate them. And this might be a serious choice. If I don't fall for my second sh300.
I just put an order in for one this morning. Should be a great second bike. Something to zip around on. I owned a step through for eight years when I was living in Laos. Without reservation, the best town/city transport I've ever owned.
I remember delivering Pizzas on a C90 many moons ago, tearing around roundabouts with the footpeg and exhaust scraping along the tarmac making sparks, awesome fun! :D I feel that Honda missed something on the styling of the C125, to me it isn't quite as cool as a "proper" C90
I think with all the electrics a kickstart wouldn't be very useful as the bike probs won't run if the battery doesn't have enough juice to get it going. I agree that little bikes should have kickstarts though as they generally only do short runs that will flatten a battery over time... as will the alarm. I think it is aces that Honda have fitted an alarm as standard though, I hope it is a decent one! :-)
Hippo-Drones i would preferred the kick start just to add that retro charm, the keyless system is just an overkill for this kind of bike, i would preferred that honda put a disc brake at the rear or a pillion seat instead of wasting money on keyless ignition.
@@HippoDrones I don't know why but Honda is making some silly or let's say stupid decisions lately about there motorcycles, keyless ignition on a 125 which is really unnecessary, this bike is clearly capable of a pillion seat and they don't offer it as standard. The New cb125r has a gear indicator and the cb300r which is basically the same bike does not have it! and the list goes on. go figure.
I’m second on the list at my Honda dealer in Chattanooga, Tennessee USA. It should be here January or February 2019. Thanks for putting a owner review on here! Can’t wait to get mine.
@@Dave-sw2dm I'm not sure how fast it will be up the mountain, but it will make it. I live on Signal Mountain so I'll be up and down the W Road. I currently have a Elite 80 and it will do 25-30 up the W.
meanwhile, we in southeast asia we appreciate this bike so much cause we use this bike everyday to commute its cheap and easy to maintain. And yeah sometime went we see foreigner especially european or american ride it i feel like the bike too small for them. For gearbox, i enjoy using semi automatic i dont need to pull the clutch and i can carry something big on my left hand while ride a bike.
The shift pattern was this way on the original Cubs and most of the copies.. I have a Fly Scooters Scout 110cc. Basically a copy of a C90. It's a Moto GP shifter setup.. lolz. Super light.. and the old ones anyway we're indestructible. Watch some of Ed March's videos on C90 Adventures. He ride a supercub 14,000 miles across Europe.. Did an Arctic adventure in winter... And other amazing trips.. on a C90... Amazing what you can do with 6hp.
Thanks for the inspiration My 2022 Supercub Carlisle - Sitio de Calahonda and back 2 weeks in total 3700 miles, great mpg, lots of smiles Cheers Hope you are well young man
Great review! You covered it all. I have to say I’m really appreciating smaller bikes after riding some big fast beasts. There’s a fun factor you can’t get with heavy bikes. Would love to see this cub in a military green option.
New Honda Super Cub 2018 on MoToBike on You Tube, Not the C125 video that suddenly is listed in front on the list, shows the Honda Cub with seats and foot rests. I think British importers are preventing the British from getting a good deal on one of the worlds best commuter bikes that should sell for half what dealers are charging. With an increase in engine size and upgrades like front disk brakes the 2019 Honda Cub can and does carry a pillion rider in most countries around the world. I suspect the Bike Dealers want customers to buy big expensive bikes as the profit margins is higher and there is probably a commission (kick back) from finance companies and increased insurance premiums on financed bikes. You would be amazed how many Honda Cubs can be transported in a container.
I have to say I agree with you . This a is a good-looking little bike I like the looks and the modern features the rims look cool with the polished edge's . And candy colors , thing is a bet it's not cheap !
Thanks for the review; after watching the the video clicked some links to see what's on the Honda's offer here in Canada just to learn that they will not sell it locally - a good reason to move south or back to the UK.
It’s a great bike, the mirrors aren’t necessary as nothing’s ever behind me. I have got a KTM 790 duke but got the Honda because I have got arthritis in my knee and definitely not disappointed.
That was a funky review for a funky little bike. It's really cute and in some ways more retro than anything else on the road today. One could prolly put a carrier of some on the back pretty easily, and I think half of Asia uses it as a means of family transport.
In the 1980 and 90's...I had the C50 C70 and C90.....all were great commuter bikes in the City As well as my Cub I also had standard large sports bikes...Sold the car....biked everywhere for 5 yrs I can say that I've done more miles on the Cub travelling to work etc than I did on any large bike They were great machines This should be great with the 125cc engine.....would like a kickstarter...double seat....The old Cub screens were also great...for keeping dry....
i like the cub very much. The only drawbacks to it is storage space for me. I like the look of it, the gas mileage, the gear shift, especially the abs on the front brake. We haven't gotten any here in the states yet, but i heard they have four ordered at one of the bike shops. Thank you for the review! (i suppose i could carry a backpack?)..(this is coming from a yamaha vino125 owner & a honda pcx150 owner)
I'm thinking about getting one just to drive to work and back. I'm stuck on this or a Grom. I used to have a 1965 cub 50 that I drove around town but if I get this it would be my first real street legal bike.
I have a 2021 Super Cub. 61 years ago, I had it’s 50cc great granddad. A simple, rock solid piece of equipment. I am amazed at this engine’s power output for it’s displacement! Impressive. I am disappointed that - to clean the oil filters - the engine has to be partially dissembled! That is a gross error. Also, the sight glass and arcane 8 minutes of preparation for checking oil level is another gross error. They went from simple to complicated. Lack of a kick starter is an annoyance to. Again, from simple to complicated. Maybe they were aiming at a market segment? The complicated procedures required for the smart key moves us backwards. It solves a problem that didn’t exist. A dumb key is so much simpler. I tour, and sometimes camp, on the bike. Very enjoyable. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
we have options for a small pillion seat in asia.. and you should see what the thais do with this bike.... and this bike has the rotary gear... just kick down at 4th and it goes N....
Nice job on the video with lots of detail. A total of 100 million sold make this the best selling vehicle (including cars, trucks, etc.) of all time. Motorcyclist magazine's review showed (I hope I'm correct about this) the shift pattern with neutral at the bottom and click up (with toe?) for gears 1 to 4, just like you'd expect.
Its a rotary transmition, from 4 when full stop u can tap again directly to neutral. Its common in southeast asian contries these with defferent purposes, even dual sport it even have.
I hope they do a dual sport version like the original postie bike with a high and low gearbox..that would be awesome. Looks faster than my new royal Enfield 500 haha . Great vid mate.
Good review, thanks. I’m actually quite drawn to this bike. I ride big cc bikes and wouldn’t of considered something like this in the past but something about this has intrigued each since it was announced so might give it a go 🤔
Knew you’d get out first on that :-) Mine’s next in hopefully. I’m a couple of inches taller and toe the downshifts on my Cubs. Be interesting to compare this to my older other Cubs
Hoping the gearbox is cyclical - as in you can pull up in 4th then click forward once for neutral and once again for 1st. That’s what I love about the Cub transmissions
gilessmokey it’s not - that’s how a Cub gearbox works. My older ones have a sticker on them advertising / explaining the feature. You have to be at a standstill for it to go top straight to neurtal
You can also use that to push start them. Run in neutral (or go down a hill), click it back and it will go straight into 4th gear and the engine will fire ;)
I went over to Grantham Honda to look at their display model and to say that I was impressed is an understatement. The quality of materials and the execution of the design is exceptional. The entire exhaust system is stainless steel with a chromed cover for the silencer, the footrests and pedals are something else in construction and need to be looked at from underneath to be fully appreciated. Please do not confuse this machine for the old design; to do so would be doing the new design a great disservice. Yes, I am going to place an order when the red ones become available.
Great review, your missing the point on the gearbox. It's a cub that's how they are. I've a c90 in my collection and love it. Everyone will stick a white top box for storage. I'm so glad they've got the essence of the original cub. Wait till your with a mate with another cub. Brilliant fun. As you say you don't need 1200cc to have fun. The only thing it needs is spoke wheels So glad honda have done a great job.
in japan they get it with the pillion foot pegs , in fact the holes for attachment of the pegs are on the swingarm but of course they are covered. so the pillion seat is possible, but i don't get it why they didn't offer them in Europe too.
Other European market scooters have pillion seat as did the original I dont think it has anything to do with passenger weight, but more to do with Japanese law, possibly banning pillion passengers, all Japanese Home Market scooters seem to only have single seats. Presumably this retro bike is aimed mainly at Jap market and due to the small production run Honda wont make UK variants.
@@aidansteven7091 in that case at least they could gave us the rear rack so we can carry some luggage, but i don't buy it about the average weight. if that was the reason then ALL European 125's should sell as a single seater.
Pretty sure America is the biggest market for motorcycles in the Western Hemisphere, and the Average American weighs twice what a person in China, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc. might weigh. Also, in China, Southeast Asia and Indonesia, who possess 58% of the bikes on the planet, the CAR is replacing bikes as the family vehicle. So I think this bike is simply being marketed to the Western tastes of modern boomers and millenials, rather than say...a backcountry family of 7 skinny peasants, as they originally came to be known for.
Those leg shield do bugger all in the rain except make sure it all hits the back of your legs. However I can personally attest to how well pedestrians bounce off them. Strip 'em off, fit a pair of knobblies and you get a fun offroader (well I did). Oh and if you want to wheelie then hold down that back pedal with your toes, rev the nuts off her and let it drop into gear (doesn't flip too often).
Loving the video's. I'm 54 and toying with getting back on two wheels, had a Honda CB50 when I was 16 and later on a 125 motorbike when I was a student. In your opinion what would be the best for a rural commute of approx 15 miles, Super Cup, CB125F or SH125i.
You can,t get more iconic than a Cub.....I owned numerous C90,s, plus a T80 Yamaha Townmate....The Honda,s were always superior though. My last C90 was stolen a few years ago !!....And I would love to own one of these. BUT.........It does need a twin seat and Pillion Pegs, it is "undressed" without them, and severely limits the Supercubs capabilities !. .......Sales would triple once this issue is addressed. Price wise.....It does seem a tad expensive.......Knock these out for under £3000 and we would have a Tsunami of Cubs back on the streets of our Towns and congested Cities......And that would be an awesome thing.
You don’t have to use the back gear pedal -- i use the front one only….I go up and pedal down because the rear gear pedal is too strange for me to use but a nice feature to not mess up your shoes.
Great review. It had to be good, it's probably got the longest pedigree in motorcycling to live up to. I quite clearly heard you describing the shift pattern, but I just have to be sure. I rode CT's and NBC Super Cubs for thirty years with Australia Post (over the odds at 19 stone plus 50lb mail), 'til very recently, and in all the iterations of the model over that time, the shifting pattern was heel down to change up, toe down to change down, the exact opposite of what you said. Over time I concluded that the rocker gear shifter was designed to take the weight off the de-clutching phase of the up-shift, which was possible to do with the toe under, but was definitely fatiguing over time. Have Honda really changed the pattern after so long?
I like the ol' clunker gear box the same as l had on my C70 that was great to get around on. Wish I'm still had my licence I'd love that bike especially now that I can no longer drive a car .
Even my C70 I could get 50mph out of it it was my second transport to my Toyota Celica 2000 St .... so l used it to get me to and from work they're brilliant little bikes for those like me who aren't really bikers
if its like the old 50s you should be able to hold your foot on gear leaver after putting it in first blip the throttle and the whip your foot off the gear leaver and pop a wheelie LOL
I upgraded from a Puch Maxi S to the of Honda C70. I was excited to sit on this at the London bike show but found the seat a bit too far forward for my 6ft 1" frame. Would love to have another sit if they do a longer seat? I so wanted to love it though :-)
I just put a down payment to reserve one. It Will cost me a cool 4,960 US dollars here in Hawaii. Disappointed seeing how little storage it has, why would they do that? The originals were delivery bikes. Honda is Mucking around and has delayed delivery to the US two times now. Any idea why?
Anything with to wheels and an engine is fun takes me back 12 years old riding c90 down disused railway line that had heal and toe gear lever with 3 gears😁
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Good morning to you !
I am an Grandpa and Cross Cub tourist from Japan .
It is a nice bike video!!
Honda Super Cub C125 is nice looks !!
Have a nice day !
I am so excited about this bike, having left motorcycling for 20 years, I am desperate to feel that fun buzz again. This review made me smile in that special motorcycling way again. Despite the apparent compromises of this bike, nicely pointed out in this video I still want one.
It’s kinda perfect for that. You’re not having fun >50MPH but up to there, it’s a blast
Its more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.
100% True!
The older I get the more true that is.
Yeah, one that you can shift, lemme guess.. This one weighs 240lbs and doesnt shift.
4 speed I believe, just no clutch@@DarkLinkAD
@Melvin Frazier *"Watches it again"*
Thinking of making this my first two wheel vehicle! Very excited by your review, I think is a good sign that all my research brought me here. Cheers!!
Did you buy one yet??
Mr Fish, another great test. The bike is manufactured in Thailand. Last year's Honda Cup was better as it had a long normal seat that can easily carry 4 people (considered an SUV car in Thailand). The Honda Cup sold in Thailand is 110cc, normal spoked wheels and is about £1,100 on the road. You can change the gear pedal for normal type of pedal for about £4 from Honda in Thailand.
Thailand has a factory in Thailand that builds nearly all the Honda motorbikes under 750cc now. Thailand also have factories building Ducati, BMW, Triumph and Harley Davidson motorbikes.
I love my Super Cub…I;m only 5’0” tall and 100 lbs so the feeling is different for me. She’s super fun bike
Hoping to shed some light on why the Cub is designed the way it is all these years:
Toe/heel gearshifter - As Cubs were ridden by a lot of businessmen (still is, in Japan), you can wear leather shoes without fear of scuffing them up. ***Tip= You can toe the gearshifter down from “4th” to neutral and then “1st”. The shifting pattern goes in a circular manner aka 1-2-3-4-N-1-2-3-4. Useful if you’re approaching a stop from 4th. You can also do the pattern in reverse with the heel.
Gears/enclosed drive chain - Lower costs, longer maintenance interval. You can drench that chain in lube and not worry about messing up your attire with the covers on. Easy to adjust gearing ratio, replace sprockets/chain quickly, should they break/need replacing etc. Makes Cub much cheaper to self maintain compared to fully automatics scooters with drive belts.
Rear rack/pillion foot pegs: Here’s a mystery. The C125 as sold in Asia (other countries too?) come with rack & pillion pegs as standard. And there’s a pillion seat pad you can buy if you wish to have a pillion along. Maybe Honda UK hopes to milk buyers for accessories that should have been standard?
Thats useful info .. i couldn't fit my foot under to toe shift it back down .. i noticed the the holes for pegs but they look pretty solidly blocked (not like just a bung) but fingers crossed
@@Mrfish2015 Hi Mr Fish, I meant you could keep tapping it down with the ball of your foot, so likewise the way you shift 1-2-3-4, by pressing down again, you'd get "N" and the cycle continues. 1-2-3-4-N-1-2-3-4 etc.
Just as I thought while watching the video... someone must have told him by now.
He must have been thinking about the bike purely from a scooter rider's point of view, and not from the market/intended user base point of view.
@@staninjapan07 I based my opinion on the uk market , so its neither bike nor scooter
Who needs to heel and toe the shift, when its easy enough to heel up and heal down.
It is a centrifugal clutch which means if you throttle back you can change gear. The Honda Dream and Honda Wave are rider and pillion passenger variants and in Thailand I have seen 5 people riding one bike. Three is quite common and depending on their dress the women sometimes ride side saddle. 2 year old sit on a seat in front of mum or dad. The Cub in Thailand has a substantial luggage rack behind the seat. Throw over saddle bags are use to carry mail and they are used in Thailand and Australia by Post Officers so we call them Postie Bikes. They are incredibly robust and easy and cheap to repair.
With a single rider the bike pulls away quite well in second gear. First is only needed for very steep hill starts or slow riding on rough bush tracks. The Honda Wave has many tie down points allowing big loads to be (illegally) carried. In Thailand we tow two wheel Chinese Wheelbarrows with these Honda bikes. A rice bag is wrapped around the cross bar of the wheelbarrow handle and we sit on the bag, that is the only towing connection. I delivered a refrigerator using this system. Go Honda.
The highway speed limit in Thailand is 90 KM/H equal to 56 MPH. I find the wind uncomfortable over 60 KPH or 37 MPH so I ride slow and enjoy the view. Who needs a big, heavy, expensive, dangerous speed machine when one can cruise around happy and relaxed on a Honda Cub? In Thailand they cost 42,300 Thai Baht, equal to British Pounds £1,046 , or Euros €1,157. I have bought 7 Honda motorbikes in my life thought I mostly travel by car. They are just so much fun to ride and one feels so free.
I wouldn't pretend to say what HONDA did wrong with this little bike, I've owned one since 1981 with zero problems and Honda has sold over 100 million of them as of 2017 so they've likely got the formula worked out pretty well by now.
Excellent video in that you capture the essence of the thing. I have been riding bikes since 1968 and am now downsizing ; the BMWs and Guzzis are gone but I still want to have fun. My current bike is a Forza 125 is brilliant but I will get one of these-lovely,simple air cooled engine , nice silencer without the horrible matt black paint, tubeless tyres, LED lights- there is so little to go wrong. Give it plenty of oil changes and it will run forever.
Cant beat a bit of small bike fun
Agreed. Always wiping my black exhaust to stop the dreaded rust.
Brilliant. C90,s were indestructable. I pretty much learnt to ride a bike on one in the early eighties. And 180mpg is amazing. Super cool bike, might get one to join the street triple and z1000sx in the garage. Great review.👍
Really wish they would have tried harder to keep the cost down instead of adding fancy extra stuff like that key and alarm thing.
The basic KISS concept was never considered here, and thus over complicated the process. Reminds me of the touchbar on a macbook pro, that no one ever wanted nor asked for, and made the user interaction more difficult with more clicks. Keys work.
@@reddpill Just too bad they didnt keep it as what it was designed to be. Cheap simple transport for the masses. If they would have kept the cost down a bit more and put on a luggage rack these things could have been marketed to college students and city dwellers and sold like crazy.
Instead they make it less practical more expensive and try to sell it based on its retro looks alone.
Like expensive restaurant they give you something you didn't ask for, so they can charge more. The extras these days are not about high standards.
@Dragomir Ronilac My bike is made in Taiwan where a lot of the honda engines are made. Its not considered a chinese bike. It is a 100cc 4 stroke and I have ridden 26,000km on it. The only replacement part , a chain. IT is exactly the same design as the previous Honda cub, the most popular bike in the world. New Electronic gadgets are there to suck in young people.
@Dragomir Ronilac but chinese quality isnt the same. Big difference between cheaply made crap and simple well made stuff.
You haven't mentioned the lovely engine characteristics when compared to most 125s.
These are torquey low revving engines that sound like tiny dirt or rally bikes.
The characteristics were something I really complained about with many other small bikes I rode compared to my Wabe 125i (almost same engine and revision as the C125).
Despite similar specs (2v same bore and stroke) the CB125's I owed had no low end torque and needed rev like crazy - sounding lime an angle grinder when cruising.
The automatic scooters I rode do also sound really anaemic often times, even though can accelerate faster due to their CVT making better use the engines peak power.
Though as a trade off CVTs have far worse durability a d handle far worse due to the heavy unsprung weight in the swingarm as the engine and gearbox are on the swingarm.
I bought a Honda c50 in the early 1970s for my wife. It cost £147.00. In todays money that equates to £2000.00 so I suppose the price is about right for this 125cc model.
Putting a grin on is what it's all about! Cheers from North Carolina. I ride my son's Ruckus for the same effect!
I enjoyed your video very much I received my Honda Super Cub C125 today 02/11/2018 and I am very very pleased with my purchase I also have a Royal Enfield Bullet 500 2017 which I also love
Nice I'm sure you will enjoy it
The key fob is actually connected to an immobilizer and makes the bike much less desirable for thieves, if you live in a big city it's a very welcome feature and an added bit of security. I think Honda nailed it with this one and I'm very happy they decided to put it into production. Granted, for the western market I think a 250-300cc model would be welcome.
yeh, but put a bigger engine in it, and it's not the same bike any more, you then have a helix or a silverwing, and it's moved out of the category it was aimed at . townies, learners, girls, kids, you'd then have to uprate the frame, brakes, lights, the whole bike. bang, it's gone. It's a cute bike, be nice if they followed the format of the old one, dual seat and pegs, key, kickstart, etc. always the same with manufacturers, the Mk1 is always the definitive model, the Mk2 /3/4/5 gets fatter, lazier, more complex, and more unreliable. , (golfs, escorts etc)
It doesnt even need to be a 250cc. 200 would finish it off nice and you can do that without useing a new engine or frame ect.
SuperCubs are brilliant. On my old C90 I used to sit further back almost on the rear seat so a twin seat would give you more room to shuffle about on a long journey.
Any bike is most fun at the edge of it’s performance envelope and you get to the edge of that envelope pretty quickly on a Cub which is why they’re so awesome 😎
The Asian version has two seats on the back (plus foot-rests) and a small luggage rack over the front wheel. I think it was a bad mistake not to follow that design for the UK.
in asia its used like a car
I think so. But we have not a choice.
It comes with a passenger seat but it's not fitted from the showroom
Two be fair, 2 Asian people weigh the same as 1 of us!😊
Taken delivery and can confirm that the UK owners manual states a weight limit of 106kg and NO pillion. Gearbox is indeed cyclical. Very good low and mid range torque. 1st sees 29 mph, 2nd an indicated 50 - not much beyond that from the other two gears. Terminal velocity for me is 57mph in 3rd. Time to go on a diet :-) Dealers should ask the weight of buyers - this limit was not publicised until I'd taken delivery and read the manual. Delivery driver told me, "oh it will do 70mph" - haha - not a chance
Got one on order. Feb 2019 USA. It will get faster once broken in. Love Hondas, just sold a PCX 150 for this. Fits inside RV better.
take off leg protectors + chin on speedo + tail wind will then it'll probably do 70
35 + years ago when i was in early teens, we used to ride Honda 90s (and 50s, even 70s )on some large waste land (an old tip ,years later called a nature reserve lol) and the gears were 1 back, (1st gear) 2 forward (2nd gear, avoiding neutral) and another forward for 3d and final gear! No idea how old the bikes were, we used to buy them from a bike shop as track bikes (failed mots) and strip as much off the bike as possible to loose weight! They used to rust n snap the seat! Great days!
Good review. Off to buy one tomorrow. Last Cub I had was 38 years ago!
in my country we call it kapcai, very reliable and versatile, Honda for life brother!
My sister had C90 in 80s. They always had stamp in gears, secretly I liked riding it. Sounds great, you really captured the vibe.
It reminds me of the vintage “You meet the nicest people on a Honda” ads. Great review
Only when I'm riding them
I love the Cub gearbox. You do have a clutch - it's actuated by pressing the gearchange pedal and releasing it. To operate it with finesse takes a bit of skill but it's worth developing and adds to the riding involvement. I wouldn't want a full auto. I love my Innova 125 round the Cheshire lanes where it excels! Easy to park in town as well. I love the lightness and the handling and the gearbox! Mine's a 2012 (last year of production, fuel injected) I bought for 1,500 quid when it was 3 years old and added a Wave front basket and a top box, 1 owner, from the Cornish dealer who'd originally supplied it and serviced it. It still looks like new (it's silver-grey) and I ride it more than my R9T and can't imagine ever getting rid of it. BTW, the gearbox goes 0-1-2-3-4 and if you are stationary another tap down takes it to neutral again (but not if you are on the move). I'm quite a bit heavier than your 17 stone but a bit shorter too at 5-11 and my Innova will do 55 on the flat with me on it and even in the Peak District 3rd will suffice on most hills. I have had one fault with it - it started to run roughly but a second hand fuel injector (£25 off eBay) cured that.
I restored an original 50cc cub from 1979. I repainted it in ocean blue to look like Butch O'Hare's F4f Wildcat complete with a roundel, white upholstery and a basket. It always drew smiles wherever I drove it. Then my old lady made me sell it, I miss that little scooter.
Back in the day, the one up, three down shift pattern WAS the standard, and was followed by the British and European manufacturers for decades. My 1970 Guzzi Ambassador with 4spd uses it, and from the factory had a toe/heel shifter that could be set up for either the right or left foot. It wasn't until the 1970s that the one down, four up shift pattern took over as the standard. My 1969 CM91 Super Cub did not have a rotary transmission as Mr. Coffee and Gasoline claims. It was a 3spd semi-automatic, with a one up, two down pattern if I'm not mistaken. Bridgestone and possibly Suzuki were the only modern makers to use a rotary gearbox and shift pattern that I know of. It was too easy to inadvertently go from 4th to 1st at high speed and damage the gearbox.
I think they have done a fantastic job. I'm a proud owner of an original c90, and it is in mint condition with less than 5.5k miles.
If they add on two seats and sell it in sky blue I'm having one
Great little bike, Have used the 50 and 90 cubs for years, One of the best work bikes and reliable Fun to drive,
As 'Coffee & Gasoline' told you, you are not really the intended user.
This bike (all its predecessors) are basically 'the' workhorse of Japan and other east Asian countries.
Honda would not dream of trying to sell this here in Japan without first fitting carrying rack and rear footpegs.
I am sure I have seen the older 90cc version with footpegs, too, although the bike never has a rear 'seat', only a rack you put a seat-like cover on.
Have you seen the TopGear boys trying to destroy on of these like they tried to destroy a Toyota Hilux?
They dropped it off a building, then stood it up and rode it away, a bit mangled.
It's worth a quick look.
Thanks for the video.
Having ridden it i would say this is more fashion than workhorse although it will be , the paint and finish are too nice to abuse lol
Could be that this video shows a special version of the bike, then, perhaps.
I say that as, as you may know, the Cub and Super Cub have been built and used as workhorses here in Japan for decades.
I know that Honda does make non-standard versions, though.
I'd be surprised if they'd made a 'pretty' version of the Super Cub that is standard in every other regard, though.
Take, for example, the CC110 and CT110 versions.
I think only the CC110 is still in production, or at least on sale as a domestic market version here in Japan.
They are also referred to as 'postie bikes' in Australia, I think, where they have been used as postal delivery bikes in rural areas for years.
Honda is clearly smart enough to make non standard versions of anything if there is a niche or cult market for the it.
I'd bet good money that the version you have ridden - by the way which country are you in? - is not intended to be the workhorse model here and in other Asian countries, but without checking my facts I may be mistaken.
EDIT...
I see you are the original poster, so you, too, are a Briton!
That may explain the 'pretty' version of this, perhaps.
Anyway, thanks for responding.
How to wheelie a Cub: Start rolling slowly in first gear. GENTLY depress the shift pedal until you hear the clutch release but WITHOUT shifting to second gear. Pin the throttle. When the revs are up yank your foot off the shift pedal and hang on.
Sure, maybe you'll drag the back fender. If it's damaged just cut it off and next time maybe you can loop it. Be mindful that this does no favors to the driveline so is best done on a test ride or with a friend's Cub. And, of course, only do this on a closed course and only if you are a professional wearing full safety gear.
lol
At last, Thank you Mr Fish for a brilliant review. Honda have done a fantastic job with the retro Cub. I've got big bikes but I'm pretty sure me and a lot of other bikers need a small bike as well in the stable. I'm seriously considering the Super Cub or the Monkey!
Always room for a little one
Good review! I live in Thailand and have a 7 yr old honda wave 125. That kind of gearbox is in many different hondas as you know. One big advantage for learners and lazy riders is that you can pull away in any gear, 4th is very slow ha ha. People here in Thailand just pull up without bothering to put it in neutral. They then get off the bike (still running in gear) have a smoke or whatever and then just open the throttle and pull away changing into a more suitable gear if necessary and if required. Perfect for learners and lazy people...ha ha. Oh I also ride a t120 Triumph and mainly use the 125 for suburb commuting.
Click forward in 4th when stationary and it'll go straight into neutral ;)
They're also installable and great in traffic.
That design also makes them very durable. Scooters have dry clutches that burn out easy. Not these, you'll see them tow giant trailers im Cambodia or Sidecars with huge loads, day in day out.
Those engines have a reputation for ruggedness.
A fellow motorcyclist from LOS. Be careful out there, driving seems to be getting worse in Bkk, if that were possible ...
One of those got me to my summer job in college two summers, I loved every mile. Great little bike.
Excellent review - One of the most comprehensive as of yet. Can't wait until they arrive in the USA
Thanks
Good review.
The red one's actually matched with more of a cream scheme than that brilliant white. So very classic.
A long time ago I dismissed any step through as unworthy/irrelevant. Now I appreciate them. And this might be a serious choice. If I don't fall for my second sh300.
the sh300 is a top scoot (i had one)
I just put an order in for one this morning. Should be a great second bike. Something to zip around on.
I owned a step through for eight years when I was living in Laos. Without reservation, the best town/city transport I've ever owned.
I remember delivering Pizzas on a C90 many moons ago, tearing around roundabouts with the footpeg and exhaust scraping along the tarmac making sparks, awesome fun! :D
I feel that Honda missed something on the styling of the C125, to me it isn't quite as cool as a "proper" C90
the only thing that i'm really disappointed at is the lack of the kick start.
I think with all the electrics a kickstart wouldn't be very useful as the bike probs won't run if the battery doesn't have enough juice to get it going. I agree that little bikes should have kickstarts though as they generally only do short runs that will flatten a battery over time... as will the alarm.
I think it is aces that Honda have fitted an alarm as standard though, I hope it is a decent one! :-)
Hippo-Drones i would preferred the kick start just to add that retro charm, the keyless system is just an overkill for this kind of bike, i would preferred that honda put a disc brake at the rear or a pillion seat instead of wasting money on keyless ignition.
100% spot on, and the keyless ignition makes the bike easier to steal too in a hijack or by cloning the signal
@@HippoDrones I don't know why but Honda is making some silly or let's say stupid decisions lately about there motorcycles, keyless ignition on a 125 which is really unnecessary, this bike is clearly capable of a pillion seat and they don't offer it as standard. The New cb125r has a gear indicator and the cb300r which is basically the same bike does not have it! and the list goes on. go figure.
Finally Honda Super Cub is Coming to USA .. So excited and Waiting for it..
. . . as am I!
THANK YOU DO MUCH FOR SHARING, I have been waiting for the review to come in on this !
Thanks for watching
I’m second on the list at my Honda dealer in Chattanooga, Tennessee USA. It should be here January or February 2019. Thanks for putting a owner review on here! Can’t wait to get mine.
Is it going to be able to climb lookout mountain?
@@Dave-sw2dm I'm not sure how fast it will be up the mountain, but it will make it. I live on Signal Mountain so I'll be up and down the W Road.
I currently have a Elite 80 and it will do 25-30 up the W.
meanwhile, we in southeast asia we appreciate this bike so much cause we use this bike everyday to commute its cheap and easy to maintain. And yeah sometime went we see foreigner especially european or american ride it i feel like the bike too small for them. For gearbox, i enjoy using semi automatic i dont need to pull the clutch and i can carry something big on my left hand while ride a bike.
The shift pattern was this way on the original Cubs and most of the copies.. I have a Fly Scooters Scout 110cc. Basically a copy of a C90.
It's a Moto GP shifter setup.. lolz.
Super light.. and the old ones anyway we're indestructible.
Watch some of Ed March's videos on C90 Adventures. He ride a supercub 14,000 miles across Europe..
Did an Arctic adventure in winter... And other amazing trips.. on a C90... Amazing what you can do with 6hp.
Thanks for the inspiration
My 2022 Supercub
Carlisle - Sitio de Calahonda and back
2 weeks in total
3700 miles, great mpg, lots of smiles
Cheers
Hope you are well young man
Great review! You covered it all. I have to say I’m really appreciating smaller bikes after riding some big fast beasts. There’s a fun factor you can’t get with heavy bikes. Would love to see this cub in a military green option.
Nice review, I was the old boy with the classic Triumph asking lots of questions at Box Hill.
Ha ha , nice to meet and talk to you mate
New Honda Super Cub 2018 on MoToBike on You Tube, Not the C125 video that suddenly is listed in front on the list, shows the Honda Cub with seats and foot rests. I think British importers are preventing the British from getting a good deal on one of the worlds best commuter bikes that should sell for half what dealers are charging. With an increase in engine size and upgrades like front disk brakes the 2019 Honda Cub can and does carry a pillion rider in most countries around the world. I suspect the Bike Dealers want customers to buy big expensive bikes as the profit margins is higher and there is probably a commission (kick back) from finance companies and increased insurance premiums on financed bikes. You would be amazed how many Honda Cubs can be transported in a container.
I learnt to ride on my friends fathers c50 48 years ago.
The chain guard rubber bung is for chain tension inspection I think
I have to say I agree with you . This a is a good-looking little bike I like the looks and the modern features the rims look cool with the polished edge's . And candy colors , thing is a bet it's not cheap !
Thanks for the review; after watching the the video clicked some links to see what's on the Honda's offer here in Canada just to learn that they will not sell it locally - a good reason to move south or back to the UK.
lol , don't come back here the insurance will kill you
It’s a great bike, the mirrors aren’t necessary as nothing’s ever behind me. I have got a KTM 790 duke but got the Honda because I have got arthritis in my knee and definitely not disappointed.
That was a funky review for a funky little bike. It's really cute and in some ways more retro than anything else on the road today. One could prolly put a carrier of some on the back pretty easily, and I think half of Asia uses it as a means of family transport.
There is a carrier available now
In the 1980 and 90's...I had the C50
C70 and C90.....all were great commuter bikes in the City
As well as my Cub I also had standard large sports bikes...Sold the car....biked everywhere for 5 yrs
I can say that I've done more miles on the Cub travelling to work etc than I did on any large bike
They were great machines
This should be great with the 125cc engine.....would like a kickstarter...double seat....The old Cub screens were also great...for keeping dry....
i like the cub very much. The only drawbacks to it is storage space for me. I like the look of it, the gas mileage, the gear shift, especially the abs on the front brake. We haven't gotten any here in the states yet, but i heard they have four ordered at one of the bike shops. Thank you for the review! (i suppose i could carry a backpack?)..(this is coming from a yamaha vino125 owner & a honda pcx150 owner)
NO RACK for the back end like on a Trail90? Aftermarket will probably make one quickly. Would be fun to take on a camping tour.
I'm thinking about getting one just to drive to work and back. I'm stuck on this or a Grom. I used to have a 1965 cub 50 that I drove around town but if I get this it would be my first real street legal bike.
The cub will be more versitile. More space for "gear"
I have a 2021 Super Cub. 61 years ago, I had it’s 50cc great granddad. A simple, rock solid piece of equipment.
I am amazed at this engine’s power output for it’s displacement! Impressive. I am disappointed that - to clean the oil filters - the engine has to be partially dissembled! That is a gross error. Also, the sight glass and arcane 8 minutes of preparation for checking oil level is another gross error. They went from simple to complicated. Lack of a kick starter is an annoyance to. Again, from simple to complicated. Maybe they were aiming at a market segment? The complicated procedures required for the smart key moves us backwards. It solves a problem that didn’t exist. A dumb key is so much simpler.
I tour, and sometimes camp, on the bike. Very enjoyable.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
I am doing research on Honda Super Club & DF-50 TKC Tadpole! Some time next year best buy it !
we have options for a small pillion seat in asia.. and you should see what the thais do with this bike.... and this bike has the rotary gear... just kick down at 4th and it goes N....
Nice job on the video with lots of detail. A total of 100 million sold make this the best selling vehicle (including cars, trucks, etc.) of all time. Motorcyclist magazine's review showed (I hope I'm correct about this) the shift pattern with neutral at the bottom and click up (with toe?) for gears 1 to 4, just like you'd expect.
Its a rotary transmition, from 4 when full stop u can tap again directly to neutral. Its common in southeast asian contries these with defferent purposes, even dual sport it even have.
I hope they do a dual sport version like the original postie bike with a high and low gearbox..that would be awesome. Looks faster than my new royal Enfield 500 haha . Great vid mate.
If they don't , make one
@@Mrfish2015 See my Links and comments for the CT 110 Bike
Good review, thanks. I’m actually quite drawn to this bike. I ride big cc bikes and wouldn’t of considered something like this in the past but something about this has intrigued each since it was announced so might give it a go 🤔
I love the old c90👍
It is the most build motorcycle ever.
Mostly find on asian roads. But even worldwide.
The unbreakable cub
Knew you’d get out first on that :-) Mine’s next in hopefully. I’m a couple of inches taller and toe the downshifts on my Cubs. Be interesting to compare this to my older other Cubs
Good choice
Hoping the gearbox is cyclical - as in you can pull up in 4th then click forward once for neutral and once again for 1st. That’s what I love about the Cub transmissions
Didn't know that , i will try if i ride it again
gilessmokey it’s not - that’s how a Cub gearbox works. My older ones have a sticker on them advertising / explaining the feature. You have to be at a standstill for it to go top straight to neurtal
You can also use that to push start them.
Run in neutral (or go down a hill), click it back and it will go straight into 4th gear and the engine will fire ;)
I went over to Grantham Honda to look at their display model and to say that I was impressed is an understatement. The quality of materials and the execution of the design is exceptional. The entire exhaust system is stainless steel with a chromed cover for the silencer, the footrests and pedals are something else in construction and need to be looked at from underneath to be fully appreciated. Please do not confuse this machine for the old design; to do so would be doing the new design a great disservice. Yes, I am going to place an order when the red ones become available.
Nice , I'm looking forward to seeing the red
Great review, your missing the point on the gearbox. It's a cub that's how they are.
I've a c90 in my collection and love it. Everyone will stick a white top box for storage.
I'm so glad they've got the essence of the original cub.
Wait till your with a mate with another cub. Brilliant fun.
As you say you don't need 1200cc to have fun.
The only thing it needs is spoke wheels
So glad honda have done a great job.
I hope no one sticks a white top box on it lol
Oh but they will, that's the retro look. I would. I have :)
There is something Freudian about sticking a key in the ignition, especially if you find yourself shouting "Work with me baby" while doing it!
Great video fish! I want one! I could tell the bike was 'smooth ' riding - I didn't get vertigo watching!
in japan they get it with the pillion foot pegs , in fact the holes for attachment of the pegs are on the swingarm but of course they are covered. so the pillion seat is possible, but i don't get it why they didn't offer them in Europe too.
Other European market scooters have pillion seat as did the original I dont think it has anything to do with passenger weight, but more to do with Japanese law, possibly banning pillion passengers, all Japanese Home Market scooters seem to only have single seats. Presumably this retro bike is aimed mainly at Jap market and due to the small production run Honda wont make UK variants.
@@aidansteven7091 in that case at least they could gave us the rear rack so we can carry some luggage, but i don't buy it about the average weight. if that was the reason then ALL European 125's should sell as a single seater.
Pretty sure America is the biggest market for motorcycles in the Western Hemisphere, and the Average American weighs twice what a person in China, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc. might weigh.
Also, in China, Southeast Asia and Indonesia, who possess 58% of the bikes on the planet, the CAR is replacing bikes as the family vehicle.
So I think this bike is simply being marketed to the Western tastes of modern boomers and millenials, rather than say...a backcountry family of 7 skinny peasants, as they originally came to be known for.
@@thegabb Chances are we'll never see it in the states.........
Great video do like Hondas as I've got more than one also have a SIM Simba which is very similar to the Honda super cub from one fan in Cornwall
I love this bike , I may buy it, I used to ride this bike's 50cc version in Pakistan in 80's.that bike was super reliable
Great review of the best selling vehicle in the world! But still waiting for a review of the SH 125/150i
Juan Silva we only get the 125/300 here
@@Mrfish2015 i'm the owner of the new sh 125i, and I'm curious about your thoughts about the scooter
Juan Silva never ridden one , I owned a 300 which was great
People of a certain age (like me) would call it a "step thru", but it's a shame they binned the leading front forks
step thru was man talk for scooter lol
It’s an underbone in my eye
Those leg shield do bugger all in the rain except make sure it all hits the back of your legs. However I can personally attest to how well pedestrians bounce off them. Strip 'em off, fit a pair of knobblies and you get a fun offroader (well I did). Oh and if you want to wheelie then hold down that back pedal with your toes, rev the nuts off her and let it drop into gear (doesn't flip too often).
you would make a fantastic honda salesman Mr Fish.
I'll take the commission
Loving the video's. I'm 54 and toying with getting back on two wheels, had a Honda CB50 when I was 16 and later on a 125 motorbike when I was a student. In your opinion what would be the best for a rural commute of approx 15 miles, Super Cup, CB125F or SH125i.
Normal tele-forks? - no 'swively' links to pogo up & down on at traffic lights - where's the fun in that? : )
You can,t get more iconic than a Cub.....I owned numerous C90,s, plus a T80 Yamaha Townmate....The Honda,s were always superior though. My last C90 was stolen a few years ago !!....And I would love to own one of these. BUT.........It does need a twin seat and Pillion Pegs, it is "undressed" without them, and severely limits the Supercubs capabilities !. .......Sales would triple once this issue is addressed. Price wise.....It does seem a tad expensive.......Knock these out for under £3000 and we would have a Tsunami of Cubs back on the streets of our Towns and congested Cities......And that would be an awesome thing.
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nice revue ..i will wait for a second hand one to come up too exspensive in my opinion.. ooh and im an old git 68 ..been riding since 1967
The Ford Model T of motorcycles, the original Honda 50.
You don’t have to use the back gear pedal -- i use the front one only….I go up and pedal down because the rear gear pedal is too strange for me to use but a nice feature to not mess up your shoes.
Great review. It had to be good, it's probably got the longest pedigree in motorcycling to live up to. I quite clearly heard you describing the shift pattern, but I just have to be sure. I rode CT's and NBC Super Cubs for thirty years with Australia Post (over the odds at 19 stone plus 50lb mail), 'til very recently, and in all the iterations of the model over that time, the shifting pattern was heel down to change up, toe down to change down, the exact opposite of what you said. Over time I concluded that the rocker gear shifter was designed to take the weight off the de-clutching phase of the up-shift, which was possible to do with the toe under, but was definitely fatiguing over time. Have Honda really changed the pattern after so long?
No your right it's still like that idk why he said that either.
at 3:58 isa there is a traffic situ, that looks hairy to me, but you avoided it gallantly.I would have stopped, but that is just me probably...
brings back memories. first bike I had was a C70
Very beautiful, but in Italy certainly loses half sales due to lack of passenger seat, not even optional
I like the ol' clunker gear box the same as l had on my C70 that was great to get around on. Wish I'm still had my licence I'd love that bike especially now that I can no longer drive a car .
Even my C70 I could get 50mph out of it it was my second transport to my Toyota Celica 2000 St .... so l used it to get me to and from work they're brilliant little bikes for those like me who aren't really bikers
Going up a hill? You need 3rd. Top is like an overdrive on these bikes. Fun video anyway :-) .
if its like the old 50s you should be able to hold your foot on gear leaver after putting it in first blip the throttle and the whip your foot off the gear leaver and pop a wheelie LOL
I upgraded from a Puch Maxi S to the of Honda C70. I was excited to sit on this at the London bike show but found the seat a bit too far forward for my 6ft 1" frame. Would love to have another sit if they do a longer seat? I so wanted to love it though :-)
I just put a down payment to reserve one. It Will cost me a cool 4,960 US dollars here in Hawaii. Disappointed seeing how little storage it has, why would they do that? The originals were delivery bikes. Honda is Mucking around and has delayed delivery to the US two times now. Any idea why?
My new 2021 Super Cub arrived today. You're partially to blame!
Very cool bike, It shifts gears like my 1972 Honda CT 90 thanks for reviewing this bike. 👌🏻
Same set up
Anything with to wheels and an engine is fun takes me back 12 years old riding c90 down disused railway line that had heal and toe gear lever with 3 gears😁
Looks very nice, reminds me of my C50. BTW it's a centrifugal *clutch*.
By the way you can get a front rack and basket and rear rack so you could fit a topcase