What is sleep and what is it to be awake? | J. Krishnamurti
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What is sleep and what is it to be awake?
Extract from the seventeenth conversation with Allan W. Anderson in San Diego, 1974.
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so satisfactory seeing K enjoying an interview and being happy knowing the listener understand him
Lol same thought.. best jk conversations
Yes, I share your feeling, too. So relaxing to see him with Dr. Anderstlon
K is extremely awkward and rude
It’s soooo true ☺️
Yeh yeh
J were very happy talking with Very few
Dr Bohm
Pupul Jaykar
As well 😍
A shining rare jewel in the darkness of our ignorance...
If that ignorance was truly yours as well, then your presenting Jiddu as a shining diamond in the darkness is PART OF THAT DARKNESS🤔
If only K had a computer science background... he would have explained this much more clearly.
The human brain is so like a single-CPU computer. It can either read/write to memory OR receive sensory input (from eye, ear etc) at a time .. but not both at the same time.
The state when it is reading from memory (and transforming the results) is what K calls 'sleep mode' or 'dream mode'... and we are doing this constantly throughout the day. My relative insulted me the other day, and today I was daydreaming for an hour how I would like to have given him a piece of my mind.
The brain puts off reading from memory when it perceives danger of any kind, and then it focuses solely on processing sensory input (that is, the present) .. which K calls an example of the 'awake state'. That is, it cuts off the past (memory) completely, for a brief interval, during a crisis.
This analogy was very useful, thanks!
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Superb👌
Very nice 👌 explanation frnd
Is it only theoretical or you actually see it within yourself ?
Best true logical teacher
So what did he teach you🙂
Guru for the guru's.
Listened to this interview several times , and will listen many more times until fully grasp whatever is being said here .Each and Every time dialogue feels fresher and newer , there’re times the enormity of subjects brings shivering to body and tears to eyes …..
As you describe it my friend,tears in eyes!!!
When people are shouting at each other, fighting, showing their anger.
Are they aware that they are being robbed of their tranquility? Perhaps they aren't. This is what i mean to sleep. Leading an unconscious life . And awake means to be aware of that chaos that is taking place within me.
When you understand something you leave it, when you do not, you return.
AMAZING
Exactly
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What do you mean "You return" ?
How precise was the interviewer too. A rare sight if we compare to others.
Very important topic🙏
Thank You !
Thank you
What a beautiful conversation
This is the most intimate conversation I ever witnessed!
Sounds like you never had a conversation with a child, dog, flower, or rain for that matter🤷♀️
The listener is so invested. Love it
Totally excellent
He is amazing....
A Real Master ❤🙏
wow! such an amazing discussion. amazing questions. Thank you for sharing!
Thank-you for building my mind
What an enquiry 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Marvelous man
This is really awesome, I share their excitement
This is a very small part of the 18 dialogues between Krishnaji and Dr Anderson.Amazing series .I recommend.Must watch.Step by step our dark corners get light and thus transform.Thanks K and Anderson. A treasure .
Yeeeeeeee Universe-
Grateful for My magnet during My Awake & Sleepy Head moments. We never hesitate the natural flow of energy!
Amen All BY MYself-
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Thanks 🙏
brilliant, blows the me away ✨✨✨
So divine. Is it possible to Know what the past is and not let it overflow to the present moment. Wow
it happened to me that I slept with full awarenss once. it's a state of mind I didn't know before. the body is completely calm, sleeping, and there is no conflict.
usually when we sleep, we switch off thoughts entirely, because the thoughts have no order.
but when there is no conflict, when there is order, you can sleep entirely awake, meaning there is no difference to the thinking when the body is awake.
your body sleeps, regenerates, rests completely, and the thoughts go on and don't turn into dreams.
you are able to think on the level of things that really matter, knowledge can be accessed and everything, yet your body is in deep sleep.
I don't know how it happened that conflict disappeared, but this is just one effect of it. a lot of things happen, there is access to infinite love/warmth and truth becomes a crystal clear feeling. there is so much order that no complexity in thinking is needed to achieve truth, it's also not intuition, because intuition is just guessing. you just know, things are simple and obvious
is it similar to Yoga Nidra?
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Relevant throughout Human existence.
❤ This was exactly my dilemma yesterday evening. Why the hell do I need a puch of some ugly realisation to be aware of the vulgar stream within!
And I was thinking about this today in noon 🥴
Sorry mam not understand me clearly write
I did not understand it as well
@@gajananallewar2358 it means when a bad incident takes place any loss failure we wake up to be more alert better and so on. So why do we need a bad incident as a simulation to get more aware.
@@manhar89 as above
To all involved with helping. Thank you. 🌻
wow❤
I took 15 mins to understand the last 2 mins while matching up with my life.
Seriously Psych knowledge 👍
Can you explain ? I don't get it
I didn't get boating example. Can you explain ?
When you are a withess standing higher than the situation, you can actually see and know where the boats could meet. So too in daily life, when we are aware, out of that awareness, we get to know some things of future in dreams.
Asleep, the physical world decides your life. Awake, you realize you hold what creates your physical life.
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What a wonderful teacher he is!
What is he teaching?
He is teaching that he is not teaching. Because there is nothing to teach that you don't already know. Sadly, society turns people back into monkeys. So there can be difficulties in understanding what the actual human says.
@@slavomirakrasna2111 he teaches to question correctly. He directs you to raise right questions and shows the way to find answers. Jk doesn't give solution but he shows how to get it. You've to find it by yourself with your unique experiences. That's what he's teaching.
I have difficulties to fall into sleep since I'm a child.
That happen when I can't prevent my mind of thinking.
Sleep is a moment when there's nothing to perceive, except what's happening inside as long as you're awake.
When I have no distractions as screens before sleeping, I'm thinking, ruminating and then sleep don't come easily.
When I wake up in the morning, I'm tired.
Solution is to put everything, regarding needs of mind and body, in order during the awaking period. In my case order doesn't last and I like to understand why.
K- say that Order is the understanding of Disorder- try to listen his video, will help.
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The interviewer 💚
That s what we are All call today to embrace in our daily activities of life. Sorry For the bad english
When one begins to be in a continuous meditative state. Then you becone awaken from your own light. Do not let your past cover the present like blanket
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Next part of it please..anyone
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A perfect sleep maybe the perfect order because its when you see with your inner eye or may be you are awake in real sense
Thought is dead.
Thought is the only enemy.
thought is not the enemy, but you have to give it the right place,which is to discriminate- than you choose what to do 💥
thoughts are yours, they are not you 💥
If your day is disorder your brain tries to make it order in sleep. If it's ordered when you awake then your brain rests in asleep and regenerated and becomes fresh.
if i am awake in my daylife ,what was my sleep to be? with out disorder
Last line was really something. 😛
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"If I live in illusion (burdened with past -ego) I am not awake."
Past is necessary to support living, but must "die down" when it's not needed ... "taking turns" in mathematical order.
1-1= 0! One out the other in!
24-16= 8!
Or the other way
Is life an illusion of the image I have invented? Is this image the past? Am I the past or am I more than the pieces knowledge will ever be able to put together? What am I?
"What am I ?" is the wrong question.
Ask rather "What a my ?"
My life, my wife, my thought, my feeling, my neighbour, my country etc...
Then it becomes clear that all appropriations are ill u sion making the self (sion) sick (ill).
Image is what you call past or presence. That is what you know. This is knowledge. But when you stop calling all of this stuff then you aware, awake. You don't know what is it. You just know that "this" is.
Possibility/actuality.
The physical/material world is all an illusion.
You exist simultaneously past,present, future.
Its all an elaborate game to evolve+ expand by creating experiences ✨ Enjoy it ! You are the Divine Universe ✌
You are a mediocre as everyone else is, K said so. Have you heard that, according to Christians, humans are predestined to become something...
If there is such "plan", it must be each one of us "becoming," like Jesus or Buddha or K ... That's what those enlightened teachers had said not only K. And they all are selfless persons. Can I do that? Sure I can I think...!
Hmm this one seems a bit confusing so if we have dreams at night does it mean we are not awake during the day ? I am aware attentive self- enquiring mind during day but still have some dreams at night !
Maybe there is not order during day...
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4:57
did someone understood when he talks about a dream which point to future event please ?
I am not sure if I really understood correctly... Here is my understanding: As humans we are pure awareness, so when we sleep it is like being on an hill and having a higher point of view, so we can see the events of the present( boats ) and see when and how they will meet. When we are aware in the day(awake) we are also aware in the night( sleep ). Once again I am not certain of my comprehension.
@@neutralmind8857 thank's for your point of view it seems plausible 🙂
if we don't get it from his speech, non one else can explain it - try it one more time 💥
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Please, Upload the full conversation.......
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@@KFoundation Thank U
I didn't get boating example. Can someone explain ?
In that example,you know where the boats are going to meet that means you know what would happen or you have predicted the future.
In the same way sometimes whatever is happening in our life or in the world we know / predict what might happen in future. We see that in our dreams and then think that the dream was pointing towards the future.
This is what i understood. :)
Can you understand it what it truly means to be human, and humble has nothing to do with it
:"In Sleep there are states in which there is total freedom to inquire into things which you have never seen with your physical eyes." I wonder what he means by that.
It seems that is something which can be seen only then. Not possible to imagine now.
my idea after hearing this is when one has the awareness to understand the world and one’s relationships within & without it (which K has said keeps the brain innocent), then that understanding continues in the sleep state. so when one is dreaming in their sleep, one may also experience their deep understanding of the world as one is dreaming. perhaps in these dreams K has the ability/freedom to see the world in any way his mind sees as coherent or experimentation towards coherence (more understanding)
Sounds like time is the trap.
Pourquoi vous avez couper la Video de "La méditation"?
Ainsi commence "ce que on veut entendre!!! " ensuite la falsification [...]
The Grandfather of Woke
Enlightenment or another form of entertainment, the gurus believe just as passionately in what they think things are, as preachers passionately preach what they believe and there is no supporting evidence of either but you cant say both are right or wrong because then you say something doesn't exist just because you can't perceive or experience it, but isn't that the basis of everything, it all exists to each in that individuals mind, I don't see what I think I see but the picture my brain puts together, I don't hear what you say, I hear what my brain says you say
Yes, but by replying with a summery from B to A of what A has said to B, A can then acknowledge whether what he/she said came through correctly. So this intermediate translation is not by itself per se a problem.
To sleep properly, I need to set my goal right, which is happiness.
But then, where do I put my happiness ... in something that would last how long?
Imagine that I have a toolbox that is much much larger than my self and it includes my memories, too. Other than those memories those I know well and a few screwdrivers, I know nothing else the box contains that could work even on a truck, and have ability to understand what K is talking about, easily, presently, from the base! And I carry that box all along entire life of mine. Am I happy?
So, totally knowing what I am carrying could help me to sleep and awake 😪 properly, as K stresses ... I think. Not making round and round and round, like sleep walkinggg....
Could there be the "order"?
Mmhmm. Mmhmm. Mmmmhmmm.
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can you say it again?
K - I don't know (I don't remember " because my brain don't register what is not necessary " .)
he has lived what he has said 🙃😉
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5:22 What the hell happened?:D
@Wisdom of the Ages could you be more specific?
I really think that he saw the real interviewer...
K says, "Sleep means regeneration of brain"!!! ... Then, if I can't finish everything of the day, so can't sleep properly, maybe I should reduce my desire.. if being attentive every moment seems not so easy to impossibility .... and stay as a mediocre, as K said, ... cannot reach the potential that is turning up as a loving caring compassionate intelligent Godlike or Childlike (using Jesus' words) mature being....
After all, Mencius who said, ""Humans are fully equipped. What they have to do is reducing and resucing their selfishness, and then they not only can fly but also become one with sky, with heaven, universe ..." Born millennia years later, K taught exactly the same thing! "Sweep away selfishness and dig up your unpolluted mind from the wreck and embrace it and you become one with another, with Jesus, with Buddha, with K himself, and then out of the stream of this world, we enter heaven together while we are still living!"
K always said "Don't call me teacher. It's abomination." Jesus said the same thing ... "You call me master, but I call you friend." Why ....
So ... I must be able to finish the day's tasks and die to the leftovers, to sleep properly ... And then the brain regenerates itself! And then we can change our Direction to run. K says, "There is no hope to the North, go south ..." It doesn't matter 🤣 which direction. The changed brain cells and the unpolluted mind would know what to do next.
hence the psychedelic rage. ayahuasca and shrooms - i have nothing against them; however, it is bypassing for a "hit", like with cocaine or other drugs.
seems the more spirituality has become the next "fashionable and refined thing" in the last few years, there's these methods of bypassing cropping up in greater numbers. this is, ofcourse in keeping with how used to convenience and instant gratification we have become as a generation.
Psychedelics are a great door for people who would otherwise not realize the nature of their problem, or even that they have a problem to deal with in the first place. Telling someone they need to change their life without giving them any reason for it is not very compassionate, nor is being high-minded about not needing something others do. Truth is a pathless land.
Humans make a trend out of anything, we create ideas and concepts of those things, making them good or bad. Psychedelics are not good or bad, and are both at the same time. We are a sleeping society so we have difficulty in understanding the purpose of things.
@@IlmariLahti and you my friend are the one who will be neuralinked first.
imagine needing a "hit" or a "high" to come to yourself. so if people don;t realize it is a problem to be dealt with, with what expectations do they go for this? for entertainment? to brag about it on insta? truth is a pathless land, hope people find it by bypassing themselves. since it is such a burden to be ourselves.
Sir, this is a casino.
This is word play masquerading as deep thought.
Thank you
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