Have the fujifilm xh2. Does things similar and sometimes better than the lumix. Also 6.2k open gate. It’s such a fun and light camera with some amazing lenses. Also would love to get an arri Alexa mini
Two FS700’s (which have the combined costs of less than half the S5ii and the image destroys the S5 range without a doubt. I get it though, not as much an affiliate kickback for you) 😂 a7iii (the junk box cam) BMPCC4K. Oh and my grotty old a7s as a webcam.
I have been using me ol' trusty Nikon D7100 D-SLR with a couple of fairly cheap lenses. My dream camera at the moment which is also the one I ordered even though it was on the very limit of me being able to afford it is actually the subject of this video! Specifially, the X variant. As I am a generally a power user, I want to know that I get the best features at the best bang for the buck so I ordered the Panasonic Lumix S5 II X. It not only rekindled my passion for photography, but it also gives me the opportunity to do finally do some video content I always wanted to do.
Well, at least the part of the lenses is fair. Most people don't switch all their lenses just because there is a new camera released. And a lot of the lenses are not even available for the Lumix. Try to find a 50mm f/1.2 lens for the Lumix. Such a lens is just as expensive as the whole Lumix camera. You don't just swap them out for some Sigma lens. What will you do if Sony makes a 8K camera in the future that is $2200? Switch back again? The part about the 6K Opengate does not make sense. He is comparing a 6K camera against a 8K camera and says that the image in the 6K is higher because it has more pixels then 4K but he is comparing with an 8K camera. Then the Sony FX3 is also mentioned because it does not crop in 60 FPS. Well, the FX3 can do 120 FPS for those nice buttery slomo video's. Sure 90+% of the A-role footage might be done in the Lumix, but what do you do if you need that other footage? Buy an extra A1? And that A1 is expensive but I bet his collection of lenses is more expensive.
@@annoholics the comparison makes perfect sense, because to get the same result as the open gate vertical crop - with more of the subject in the frame, the original 16:9 footage on a Sony camera would have to be shot way wider. But that would also mean they’d not only have to crop the vertical footage, but the regular one as well, since nobody wants to have 60% background in their average video. This is not about pixels. It’s about being more user-friendly - saving content creators time, which this Lumex camera does. As a photographer, I’ll stick to Sony, but there’s no doubt this feature is an advantage - one Sony may wanna make an option soon.
@@itsbeeva What does it matter how much background you have in your original shot if you can simply cut that of in post and still keep the image that you want without needing to stretch anything. It is not more user friendly to cut of more or less. You simply load your original footage on your timeline and you are done. Harris is using an argument that works if you compare with a 4K camera but he has an 8K camera. In the diagram in his video he clearly shows 4K vs 6K while he does have an 8K camera. He claims that it is an advantage for him to use the Lumix and why he prefers to use it over his A1. It simply makes no sense.
Thank you for this video Harris. So I have been looking into "upgrading" cameras for awhile for my studio for a couple years and have been slowly saving towards some hefty purchases. I say "upgrade" because of course I'm still going to use the old camera. I want multiple angles on my streams and even when I am recording a news video, it would be nice to not have to move my entire camera setup to get a second angle - I can just have it recording the whole time, and switch it up. Or direct record to the computer, hit a button on my video switcher and boom. For two straight summers have been renting cameras during the summer for one of the shows we do to play around with different cameras and for the longest time, I felt like I needed to go sony. I have experience using an old Lumix G7 that my children broke years ago, and I naturally stuck with the line I knew and went with the Lumix G9. 10m limitations aside on recording, the full HDMI port directly to my mac allowed unlimited local recording, which is my use case 99% of the time. But it CAN overheat in specific situations, and my lord - I didn't even realize how bad the autofocus was compared to other cameras until I rented some sony cameras for one of my summer shows the last two years. I used the Sony A1 and the Sony Alpha &s Mark 3 I believe or whatever it was called the last two summers, and INSTANTLY the auto focus was one of the biggest things I saw as a massive improvement. Yeah, the G line of lenses was also really nice, but that auto focus. I didn't know it could be that good having only used lumix. It was so good, I decided to start saving. And you have to save A LOT when you're switching camera lines. It's not just the body - you need to get all new lenses too. So even though I have 3 lumix lenses, they are useless on the Sony. Suddenly I was looking at a $3500 sony lense to go with a nearly $4k body, and it really, really adds up. But that autofocus was a game changer. I can look away from the camera and the sony wouldn't just forget I am there. It was amazing. But, again, saving up for it is hard as a solo content creator. You start thinking of a 10 grand purchase (and that's just to get one lense with it) and wonder what you are doing with your life. Is that really the right purchase to step up your videos? You introduced me to this camera and I have since watched other reviews on it. Not only can I use the lenses I already have (though, I may get a new F16 lense anyways, so I have one for each camera), the two main concerns (overheating, which was still a slight issue on the sony cameras) and the autofocus have been completely corrected. Then you throw in the open gate so I have more options in fixing footage in post let alone making shorts - and that I can do this all in 6k giving me even more options to output a full 4k final video without issues - honestly... this is a godsend. Then it's just 2k, which isn't even that much more than I dropped on the G9 at the time. This goes from a 10k purchase to upgrade to literally just a 2k one to use lenses I already have, throw in maybe another $500 for a lense - and now I have saved 7500 on what I was going to spend and saving towards. And now I stay within the same camera line to use equipment I already have, the G9 can become an alternate angle shot or used for top down where it's focus is just fine on objects? Thanks Harris. I may lose a few features on the more expensive Sony cameras that are nice, but for my purposes of news videos, discusion videos, shorts, and streams? This is now the one to get. Maybe even a second one to complete the 3 camera setup I want. Damn.
I don't always watch your videos just for the actual subject matter, but I look at how you shoot your videos. Even when your video is about something I might not be interested in, you make the subject matter more interesting. Not sure if anyone has ever told you that before, but I wanted to throw that out there. From the shooting style to the editing, your videos are always well done, entertaining & very clean.
I am so glad to see and hear people shining light on this specific series of cameras. I ordered a Lumix S5 II X myself, even! It is so good that it made me want to get back into photography and videography. It was kind of tough for me to afford and even if I won't be able to pay its costs in the long run since it's mostly a hobby and I barely made any money from photography, it was certainly the motivation to keep going. A forgotten passion has been rekindled once more.
Definitely a good take. Panasonic Cameras are underrated outside of small portions of the community. I used my GH3 until last year when I shifted to mostly photography, and swapped to Fuji for the convenience of customizable film simulations that I rarely have to take into lightroom. Definitely would switch to an SII or SIIX if I was going to start doing any professional or semi-pro video work again.
OMG since i was a teenager, I remember a photographer i followed said, "The best camera is the one that's with you" which is basically what Harris said
Great video. The LUMIX cameras seem to be the first ones using modern connectivity and quality of life features. It makes Canon and Sony seem like they’re lagging behind. Traditional photography is decreasing as AI improves. Most of the videos people consume are made in this type of informal format. If Sony and Canon don’t release comparable new cameras soon LUMIX will take a big chunk of the market share.
When it comes to features, I think Panasonic is constantly among the top contenders for the last decade. It's just that they are so stubborn in making M43 and CDAF work while other companies have already focused only on perfecting their FF and PDAF system. This camera is Panasonic's first real attempt at making a FF PDAF camera, and it's already able to fight toe to toe if not outright surpassed other FF PDAF cameras. The Big 3 really have to watch out for what Panasonic has in store for the near future.
Trad photography is actually getting bigger because people are finding it more enjoyable again. AI is not going to take that hobby away. Most videos people consume is just junk which is why the cinematic styles always convert better. Sony can just make a new cheap camera that caters to that crowd - but why would they bother when most folks who are filming that way are using their phones anyway. These "camera" wars nonsense has been going on since the start of digital cameras and honestly it's all BS.
i've been wanting to upgrade for a while now from my old APS-C Nikon 5200 but price was a massive factor and i always shop for the 'best bang for buck' i am not brand loyal in the slightest so videos like this is what i turn to for advice. after watching your video, i pulled the trigger on an DC-S5iiX. i have my mind blown every time i take a photo or video. i'm sure i would've felt the same way quality wise whichever system i went with. but as you very potently stated here, there is no accounting for the massive price to performace this system offers me. i am now looking at other lenses and already bought the 85m f1.8 last night. thank you for making unbiased content like this. i truly feel i have made the right choice and will be happy with it going forward.
Not a full frame, but Fuji Xh2s also can record Open Gate. Just saying, since you said Lumix is the only one. But as a Sony user, i would gravitate more to Lumix, thanks to your video!
I think it is only a matter of time for more lens options. It would make sense for Panasonic to see if the camera sales are good and than develope lens that people want.
What lenses are you looking for? They make a 16-35 f4, 24-70 f2.8, 70-200 f4 and f2.8, a 70-300 macro, a whole set of matching size and weight 1.8 primes from 18,24,35,50,85 that are all weather sealed. They have a smaller and lighter 20-60 f3.5-5.6 thats weather sealed and even a 50mm f1.4. That covers the vast, vast majority of shooting scenarios, other than telephoto. Thats where Sigma, as a first party lens manufacturer, they have 100-400, 150-600 and the new 60-600. they also have the smaller 28-70 f2.8 for a light travel standard zoom and a whole series of f1.4 lenses, including 50, 35 and 85.
The Lumix S5II is really hard to beat for value, whichever way you look at it. But really, especially so on video. For Photos, I'd still go for Sony (though I'm on Lumix myself still even as a photo main), and the Lumix full frame ecosystem is still a bit behind. But for value, it's pretty insane what the Lumix offers on the video side of things.
Harris. Great content! This one is for whoever edited this video and I'm only commenting because I know you guys care about the absolute tiniest details. The counting sound effect at :29 sounds an awful lot like a door knock if you're not actively watching. I had this video playing and got up to go to the bathroom and was really curious who was knocking on my front door. Took me a second to play the video back and realize what happened. Small detail and 97% my own stupid fault, but being judicious about natural sound effects could up your game .001%.
the gopro hero 11 has something to compete with open gate but obviously on a significantly subpar camera would also like to ad that rtmp streaming from 1 cell signal is never good its normally just constant crashes and low bitrate but not the fault of the camera
i'm just as baffled as you that sony doesn't have open gate on the a7s3/fx3. A literal update could increase the value of these by so much. same goes for shutter angle
I would LOVE a comparison video between ~$2000 cameras. This vs the ZV-E1 for instance, but with a couple others for good measure. How good is the auto focus? What are the supported picture profiles? What lenses would you recommend and their cost? Do cheaper cameras (creators might already have) have the same lens compatibility? Basically a TH-camr’s first big camera video. I have a ZV-E10. Being able to use the same lenses I’ve bought for it is a huge selling point for the ZV-E1. But 6K open gate.
You can also use that camera as a webcam without a capture card, just use the usb-c port with a ethernet adapter and bring it into the streaming software of choice as a source, once on the network you can control them (yes multiple cameras) from a laptop or PC. The networking and live streaming features that are not stream directly to YT or Twitch are not really talked about and you have to read the manual to see those, oh and btw did you know there is a full frame lumix camera that has PoE (power over ethernet) and can basically be operated with 1 ethernet cable for power, control, and video transmission... basically perfect for studio environments and webcam setups.
Next Blackmagic camera is apparently also switching to L-mount, and seeing how slow Sony is with the updates to their cameras and with weirdly specific limitations that they put on every shooting mode, Lumix might actually be a better option period. Weird that 2k camera from Lumix would have more professional features than Sony's "cinema line" cameras whatever that means to them. Salty? Yes, a bit. At least more competition = more better
Nice video. Seems like the comparison is mostly directed at using either camera as a TH-camr/streamer. But what about others like image quality, stabilization, color accuracy, focus speed/accuracy as a photographer or non-streamer (either beginner or pro level) for something around the same price point as the Lumix?
I can really only share what my experience has been around what I typically use a camera for. There are tons of other videos on this camera that probably answer your questions, though. The Gerald Undone one is a solid one.
uuuh maybe I missed something but the S5II is ABSOLUTELY NOT the only camera that shoots open gate. so there is also the original S5, the GH6 and GH5 that also do that and outside of Lumix there is the Fujifilm X-H2S and the X-S20 that both do 6.2K Open gate recording. Only difference being that the X-H2S is a stacked sensor with a much faster readout speed and the X-S2 is a more "normal" BSI sensor also worth noting that if they don't have open gate, cameras like the Canon R5, Sony A1, Sony A7RV and probably most importantly Nikon Z9 and Z8 all have 8K recording, so even if you don't have open gate you can still use the versatility of such a large resolution for reframing etc. Just use a wider lens basically. Sony, Canon and Nikon still need to jump on that bandwagon, but I'm pretty sure this is either going to be added though fimware to some cameras (FX3 maybe? or even Nikon Z9/8?) or be a part of the next iterations (A9III and A1II are most likely coming late 2023/ before Q3 2024) also I feel like the price discussion about cameras was WAYY too simplified and did not represent the whole picture, basically only speaking of video resolution and megapixels. If the A1 is 6.5k because it can shoot 8K video and 50MP stills, why is the A7RV only 3.9k while it still shoots 8K video but also has 61MP stills? A1 is expensive because it has a stacked sensor that is super fast and allow for 30fps stills shooting for profesionnals. A7RV is capped at 10fps. A7S3 is a try from sony to make a fast sensor without relying on using a stacked one (which is much more expensive), so they made a 48MP sensor binned to a 2x2 pixel array giving a 12MP image, improving both the readout speed (not that far from the A1), and increased dynamic range thanks to the pixel binning. The focus of the A7S3 and all cameras using that same sensor (think FX3, FX6, ZV-E1) is to do 4K video, and do it well. that's it. If you compae that to the Lumix S5II : the readout speed on the S5's sensor is MUCH slower meaning that in both 6K open gate and in standard 4K video, you'll have a lot more rolling shutter in your image than if you were using either a faster sensor (like the A7SIII/FX3) or a stacked one (A1 / Z8 / Z9). It's okay if you don't do too much panning shots, but if you do it's distracting and noticeable about the L mount alliance: it's not that 3rd party lens makers are considered 1st party. Otherise brands like Tamron and Samyang could release their lenses in the L mount as well. The L mount alliance is a closed ecosystem between Leica, Panasonic/Lumix and Sigma. The mount was originally created by Leica for their SL cameras (L stands for Leica), and they built an alliance with a long time partner (Panasonic with which they have made camera collabs in the past, and still do) and Sigma which could bring more affordable lenses in the ecosystem. But don't forget Sigma also makes cameras (FP and FP-L anyone?) and is a legitimate part of the L mount alliance. But having access to all th Sigma Art glass is indeed a perk if you don't care about the video optimized Lumix lenses or the Leica lenses that would require you to sell a kidney. The shutter angle, it's pretty easy to understand : basically 180 degrees shutter angle is twice your framerate, 90 degrees shutter angle is exactly your framerate. As long as you select correctly your shutter speed, almost all brands have introduced 180 degrees shutter angles for almost every framerate (that generally just required to add 1/48s shutter speed to shoot 24fps) I do agree that doing the firmware update right through the app is pretty nice. It will never beat the firmware through SD card that Fujifilm does imho (basically just format a card, drop the firmware on it, put that in the camera, turn it on while pressing the disp/back button and follow the steps. No app, no software on the computer and it's done in a minute or so) From what I've seen if you want a 6K open gate video with faster framerates and stuff for 4K, well you have the Fujifilm X-H2S that is around the same price as the S5II, has 4K60 without a crop, 4K120 with a slight crop, 6.2K open gate and the ability to screw up a fan for cooling. Also shoots 40fps 26MP stills, and has a stacked sensor. But now you have to compromise the fact that it's an APS-C camera, depends where your priorities are I guess
Open gate looks like it could be a real game changer. I use a Sony a7R IV currently and I’m loving it in terms of quality but with the LUMIX being around the same price, it’s certainly worth considering now
Solid camera review! Actually making me consider leaving Sony too for the tech alone. The only thing this review is missing is differences in color science between Panasonic and Sony.
That's where both manufacturers have been somewhat weak compared to other brands like Canon and Fujifilm. And of course there's ARRI, but they're basically far and above in a league of their own. Sony has had the weirdest problem with skin tones, where no other manufacturer I've seen has had as much green/yellow fringing that can be really cumbersome to deal with. Magenta is an extremely difficult color to control though because it's literally the weakest part of the signal due to it being a combination of red and blue, where green subpixels on sensors make up half the signal (also why green screens are the most accurate for keying). That's an oversimplification of course, but I digress. Panasonic's issue for me for the years I've used their GH line and the EVA1 was that the footage always felt too "video-y", like a classic documentary look where everything looks plain and somewhat lifeless. I'm not exactly sure how to explain it in color science terms, but the best I can say is that the image typically feels more artificial than other manufacturers. All-in-all, sounds like a Gerald Undone video that needs to be made.
super good video and kind of eye opening to the whole open-gate thing! It also seems like it could be just a firmware update for the Sonys (no chance) and Canons (little chance)
Awesome video Harris! I really appreciate the detail you put into it, seriously. I just got an awesome deal on an open box GH6. Definitely gonna be keeping an eye on Panasonic.
Great video! I agree 💯 usually the downfall of Sony is software integration. A lot of the software side of things are not very great and their cameras degrade quicker over time compared to Lumix, Fuji and even Canon. I love Sony for just professional work, but I have such great experience when I shoot Fuji & Canon. I’ve worked with a few Panasonic bodies on professional sets and they’re very easy and straightforward to use without any quirks 🤟🏼
Wow. I watch a LOT of videography on TH-cam and this was the first time I’ve ever watched you. And I gotta say this was absolutely phenomenal. Clear, informative, precise, and very charismatic! 👏 🔥 Definitely a subscribe from me. And a high recommendation for everyone else.
Thanks Harris! Question for us creators who have a workflow centered around use with capture cards, does this camera support clean HDMI output, and at what resolutions/frame rates? Does the HDMI output also contain open-gate 4:3? Thanks!
You give me pause, I see your reasoning. I'm a Sony APSC & FF user but I've always loved my little old Lumix DM-FX 36 with its Leica lens assembly, still running after 11 years trouble free! My dream is probably a Leica.
Excellent and concise breakdown of the pros and cons, especially for people who are newer to this industry and aren't as familiar with things like shutter speed, open gate, and the different lens mounts. Hit that sub button, keep up the good work! I use the FX3 and Sigma FP and have considered swapping the FP out for one of these new Lumix models. The RAW footage is so incredible, but there's quite a few quirks that makes it not the easiest camera to use.
I have no personal experience with Lumix, but other pluses I've heard about: (1) actual video-centric measurements like waveform monitor (I prefer that over histogram), false color, etc.; (2) can shoot Blackmagic Raw externally to a Blackmagic Design Video Assist 12G HDR on-camera monitor/recorder.
Hey, great Video! The Lumix S5ii is a fantastic Camera (especially at this price!!) But it's not the only consumer camera that does that. The Sony FX3 for example is doing it after the Firmware-Update 3.0
As an average consumer, big lens lineup for sony still top it for me. Open gate feature is game changer and so is the former. Couldnt you just have shoot your video with a wide lens and bit further so you can have more real estate when converting it to vertical video?
Hey Harris & Senpai, seeing as you talk about and use Davinci Resolve, im curious why you hvaen't really ever talked about the Black Magic Camera's ( big range ) as their Pocket Cinema 6k G2/Pro are similar in price to the Lumix of this video.
Great job featuring key yet subtle details someone with experience with the camera might notice! The s5iix looks like an appealing option! @PanasonicLumixVideo hopefully I'll be able to try one out someday. 😉📷
I've been using my Lumix G7 for years as a webcam just plugged into a 4kCamlink and a dummy battery and BOOM haven't looked back. when i travel i take it off my tripod toss my SD card and battery into it and i'm off. I've been impressed with their micro 4/3rd stuff so I'm really excited to maybe upgrade and get their full frame stuff in the future
I use three Lumix GH4 cameras for my streams and tutorial art videos and two of them are fitter with Leica lenses which are truly amazing. Have you considered fitting Leica lenses to the Lumix S5 MK2 and if yes what were your thoughts ? Love the channel by the way, big fan and you are clearly one of the best TH-cam creators on here. Keep it up, regards Martin
Wow. If it didn't crop so far (i have ot assume it just doesn't have as good of a stabilization here) I feel like this would be a complete W and an easy swap. I still might swap my A7IV over....
I suppose you couldn’t mention that that the reason why the there were quite a few out of focus periods was because you were using a Panasonic to take the video - no ways any Sony would not stay locked onto the face even with the smallest of apertures used. The autofocus system of Panasonic is still way behind Canon & Nikon.
A bit late and not sure if someone else mentioned, but LUMIX offers software that helps create and upload a streaming network settings file though USB connection. This file would contain your streaming URL and key. This process makes it considerably easier than manually entering the url and key on the camera. I have used it before but also with my LUMIX GH5 II. I believe it should work with the S5 II as well. I got it from LUMIX Japan and its in Japanese but I suspect there might be an English version too.
I would have to disagree on the lenses. The 18, 24, 35, 50, and 85mm primes are a great deal all with the same weight and color profile. They are the only manufacturer who have this set making gimbal video creation consistent.
Yes, you can shoot 6K open gate, but only in 4:2:0 color space, not 4:2:2. I wonder if you can record open gate 4:2:2 to an external monitor/recorder? (Then again, that would add some bulk, especially if you're run-and-gun on the street.)
Hey! I suggest trying out the HIKVISION DS-U02 1080p webcam. It surprised me a lot for how much value it brings with barely any cost. After using it with cameras very much above its pricepoint from the logitech lineup, its far better than anything below the brio, and would bring a lot of value to streamers.
*My First Camera, Camera, was (2) Panasonic Cameras. The GH7 and GH85. Amazing Camera but the Autofocus SUCKED and Living in Alaska getting Micro 4/3 lens was not Good, so I switched too the Sony A6400 and then ZV-1 and then Sold BOTH camera's got the FX30 and Plan on getting ZV-E10 but I love Videos more then Photo's so the FX30 for me is more plausible But it's good too see a Content Creator talk about a Product specially when it comes to Camera's & Be Honest about it and not be shy about yes I love Sony and I love Panasonic but for different reason as oppose too just one camera*
I'm a photographer that uses Canon and I love Canon's ergonomics, I'm not fussed about video specs because my main thing is photos but the first time I grabbed the S5ii I couldn't believe how good it feels in the hand, I almost just want it from the ergonomics alone lol. I also didn't know you could use S5ii in an IRL stream situation and that's honestly really cool!
Yeaaaaa. Well. I just bought a second hand A6000 with three lenses. Oh boy. I got a long way to justify getting your kind of quality 😱 But nice video. I learned alot! :)
One thing to note is that the s5 II IS NOT the only camera that can shoot open gate (G9, Gh5, Gh5s, Gh6 and I believe the S series FF lumix can all do open gate) Im assuming you meant its the only brand...
Is open gate compatible with capture cards such as the Elgato CamLink? I am on the look for a future upgrade from my A6000 that I use for recording gameplays, and the extra headroom would definetly be a good feature!
Would have liked to seen an autofocus test on both faces and objects. I have a G85 that I like for shooting outside but it's completely worthless for streaming. Specially top down at a table
Are you sitting in the same spot for most of the stream? Unless you move around your room the entire time, just stop down the aperture 1-stop from what you normally use and measure out a set-it-and-forget-it manual focus.
Lenses are *not* a disadvantage of the L-mount system. There are currently 99 different models available (yes, I counted), everything from 9 to 600mm, macros up to 5x, shift lenses, entire suites of primes at f/1.4, and on and on. Personally I prefer vintage Contax Zeiss lenses but the quality is amazing even with Panasonic's own line... which are lightweight and optimised for video (minimal focus breathing, same size, etc.). An advantage you didn't cover is ability to record BRAW externally for the smoothest editing in Resolve. Plus the Panasonic is superior for stills photography.
L Mount also means access to super expensive glass like Leica which has to be as good if not better than Sony G I’m guessing if you’re a pro, or just plain affluent. I use a lot of M Mount Glass on mine and the system allows your look to be tweaked any which way you like. Gorgeous!
My issue with converting for TH-cam shorts if you don't use the video from TH-cam it is harder to get someone to the full video. Yes the short will be better and increased click-through rate for the channel. Although, if you edit directly from your video the person can click and go right to your video.
Sonys most recent software updates are super easy to install. It has taken a while to get to a good place. Also, with those updates, the FX3 and FX30 now have DCI which not quite open gate but still is quite the improvement. Also, the FX30 at least is cheaper, has better autofocus, is easier to just plug and play to stream. Panasonic does a lot well but seems your shorting Sony as well.
I've been a Lumix users for a couple years now, their cameras are so underated, imo. I'm still rocking a G7 and getting footage that can easily compete with more modern cameras. Really wanting this one though lol.
Does the 8k not give you the flexibility of the extra pixels - I assume you need to shoot with a wider lens at that point and correct for any distortion in post?
The next camera they do, the S1Hii or whatever, that'll be the one... Till then the A7iv is imo it's main competition, both cropped 4K60, one has all the QOL improvements, the other is 33MP photos with better AF... It may overheat still, but you'll get away with it. Open gate, so juicy! You didn't mention the IBIS in the S5ii(x), amazing IBIS on the panny's, much better than Sony and Canon, worthy highlight for potential vlogging people
if you can stream from the camera over wifi to twitch or youtube, does that mean you can also capture to a computer via wifi as well? can I just give it some usb power, tell it to connect to the computer and be done without having to mess around with capture cards? or AT LEAST have they made it so that I can plug it in via usb and get full resolution max frame rate transfer without having to use a third party's usb or pci capture solution? Can I capture that 6k open gate resolution using a standard capture card or by plugging the camera in over wifi? I'd LOVE to just plug a high quality camera into the computer via usb, have it show up as a capture device in OBS that I can crop how I like and start streaming...
Thank you for the great content, I hear about open gate more and more lately, but it let me wondering, is 4k open gate (for example) creating heavier files than 4k 16:9 ? I mean, I would expect it to be 20 to 30% bigger, since there is more pixels, except if black pixels count 🤔 File size can be important for me as a traveler and and since in Europe we have XAVC HS only for 50p -_- So we don't have these light weight, normal speed footages... 😑 That's Sony hating European market 😅
The Lumix cameras have LONG been feature packed and leading the way with options available to the consumer. The g7 is still one of the best buys for beginning content creators, it's SUPER packed with features like 4k and easily unlockable recording times, wifi control, and cheap lenses available for the mft. The S series is JUST as amazing.
@@JerimiahCook Non-Fool Frame is even better. If you want to let in more light, you don't loose as much depth of field which is important for standard video. Any noise argument is mute for moving pictures, plus I've looked up the X-S20 it has the same DR as the S5 II anyhow. Smaller lighter lenses/kit bag, cheaper sensors, GH series superior IBIS ...
So most of this was shot on the S5iiX and that one is my handheld camera (I like the blacked out look). But between the two, the only added feature I might actually use is the live streaming.
Not the only consumer camera that does it, actually. Probably the only full frame one though. Fujifilm has it on their XH2S and their new X-S20, both 6k Open Gate, they’re just both APS-C sensors instead of full frame.
Can you stream to a custom RMTP/SRT server or just twitch/youtube? Would be useful for composing IRL streams with overlays in a base server (IRL > Home > Twitch).
Hi! I love the camera, but I can't seem to find the same lens you're using. Would anyone be able to help with a link to this particular lens in the video. Thanks!
If you can get adobe premier for free would you use that rather then davici ? i just found out cuase im a univety faculty member i can use the adobe suit.
Anytime manufacturers minimize the gap between wants and needs at a realistic price point, the consumers stand to win. With everything this camera packs in at it's price point, I might be asking too much but did I see you using the scroll as a d-pad to enter the stream code? Does this too account for nice functions then not have a true touch screen?
The Lumix S5ii is no longer the only consumer camera with 6k open gate. The Fuji X-S20 recently joined those ranks and is even cheaper due to being APS-C.
@@Senpai Full-Frame/Fool-Frame/Film-Frame, why be limited to a single artificial construct, when every sensor size has pros and cons, and really not much between them? As you say, you get a camera to get a job done, and you made a big note about the price. Super35 F2.8 has historically been a standard to shoot scenes, and many recognised pro gear to get the job done has been based on the smaller MFT sensor.
What camera are you currently using and what's your dream camera?
canon r5
Have the fujifilm xh2. Does things similar and sometimes better than the lumix. Also 6.2k open gate. It’s such a fun and light camera with some amazing lenses. Also would love to get an arri Alexa mini
Two FS700’s (which have the combined costs of less than half the S5ii and the image destroys the S5 range without a doubt. I get it though, not as much an affiliate kickback for you) 😂 a7iii (the junk box cam)
BMPCC4K.
Oh and my grotty old a7s as a webcam.
Fuji X-T1 and X-T2 - always get compliments on quality !
I have been using me ol' trusty Nikon D7100 D-SLR with a couple of fairly cheap lenses. My dream camera at the moment which is also the one I ordered even though it was on the very limit of me being able to afford it is actually the subject of this video! Specifially, the X variant. As I am a generally a power user, I want to know that I get the best features at the best bang for the buck so I ordered the Panasonic Lumix S5 II X. It not only rekindled my passion for photography, but it also gives me the opportunity to do finally do some video content I always wanted to do.
Gah Dawg, it's so nice seeing videos that ACTUALLY talk about the small stuff. Not just 'it looks good'.
The best intro I heard in years... that's called being fair and honest and not sounding PAID!!!! Well done.
Well, at least the part of the lenses is fair. Most people don't switch all their lenses just because there is a new camera released. And a lot of the lenses are not even available for the Lumix. Try to find a 50mm f/1.2 lens for the Lumix. Such a lens is just as expensive as the whole Lumix camera. You don't just swap them out for some Sigma lens. What will you do if Sony makes a 8K camera in the future that is $2200? Switch back again? The part about the 6K Opengate does not make sense. He is comparing a 6K camera against a 8K camera and says that the image in the 6K is higher because it has more pixels then 4K but he is comparing with an 8K camera. Then the Sony FX3 is also mentioned because it does not crop in 60 FPS. Well, the FX3 can do 120 FPS for those nice buttery slomo video's. Sure 90+% of the A-role footage might be done in the Lumix, but what do you do if you need that other footage? Buy an extra A1? And that A1 is expensive but I bet his collection of lenses is more expensive.
@@annoholics the comparison makes perfect sense, because to get the same result as the open gate vertical crop - with more of the subject in the frame, the original 16:9 footage on a Sony camera would have to be shot way wider. But that would also mean they’d not only have to crop the vertical footage, but the regular one as well, since nobody wants to have 60% background in their average video.
This is not about pixels. It’s about being more user-friendly - saving content creators time, which this Lumex camera does. As a photographer, I’ll stick to Sony, but there’s no doubt this feature is an advantage - one Sony may wanna make an option soon.
@@itsbeeva What does it matter how much background you have in your original shot if you can simply cut that of in post and still keep the image that you want without needing to stretch anything. It is not more user friendly to cut of more or less. You simply load your original footage on your timeline and you are done. Harris is using an argument that works if you compare with a 4K camera but he has an 8K camera. In the diagram in his video he clearly shows 4K vs 6K while he does have an 8K camera. He claims that it is an advantage for him to use the Lumix and why he prefers to use it over his A1. It simply makes no sense.
Thank you for this video Harris. So I have been looking into "upgrading" cameras for awhile for my studio for a couple years and have been slowly saving towards some hefty purchases. I say "upgrade" because of course I'm still going to use the old camera. I want multiple angles on my streams and even when I am recording a news video, it would be nice to not have to move my entire camera setup to get a second angle - I can just have it recording the whole time, and switch it up. Or direct record to the computer, hit a button on my video switcher and boom.
For two straight summers have been renting cameras during the summer for one of the shows we do to play around with different cameras and for the longest time, I felt like I needed to go sony. I have experience using an old Lumix G7 that my children broke years ago, and I naturally stuck with the line I knew and went with the Lumix G9. 10m limitations aside on recording, the full HDMI port directly to my mac allowed unlimited local recording, which is my use case 99% of the time.
But it CAN overheat in specific situations, and my lord - I didn't even realize how bad the autofocus was compared to other cameras until I rented some sony cameras for one of my summer shows the last two years. I used the Sony A1 and the Sony Alpha &s Mark 3 I believe or whatever it was called the last two summers, and INSTANTLY the auto focus was one of the biggest things I saw as a massive improvement. Yeah, the G line of lenses was also really nice, but that auto focus. I didn't know it could be that good having only used lumix.
It was so good, I decided to start saving. And you have to save A LOT when you're switching camera lines. It's not just the body - you need to get all new lenses too. So even though I have 3 lumix lenses, they are useless on the Sony. Suddenly I was looking at a $3500 sony lense to go with a nearly $4k body, and it really, really adds up. But that autofocus was a game changer. I can look away from the camera and the sony wouldn't just forget I am there. It was amazing.
But, again, saving up for it is hard as a solo content creator. You start thinking of a 10 grand purchase (and that's just to get one lense with it) and wonder what you are doing with your life. Is that really the right purchase to step up your videos?
You introduced me to this camera and I have since watched other reviews on it. Not only can I use the lenses I already have (though, I may get a new F16 lense anyways, so I have one for each camera), the two main concerns (overheating, which was still a slight issue on the sony cameras) and the autofocus have been completely corrected. Then you throw in the open gate so I have more options in fixing footage in post let alone making shorts - and that I can do this all in 6k giving me even more options to output a full 4k final video without issues - honestly... this is a godsend.
Then it's just 2k, which isn't even that much more than I dropped on the G9 at the time. This goes from a 10k purchase to upgrade to literally just a 2k one to use lenses I already have, throw in maybe another $500 for a lense - and now I have saved 7500 on what I was going to spend and saving towards.
And now I stay within the same camera line to use equipment I already have, the G9 can become an alternate angle shot or used for top down where it's focus is just fine on objects?
Thanks Harris. I may lose a few features on the more expensive Sony cameras that are nice, but for my purposes of news videos, discusion videos, shorts, and streams? This is now the one to get. Maybe even a second one to complete the 3 camera setup I want.
Damn.
I don't always watch your videos just for the actual subject matter, but I look at how you shoot your videos. Even when your video is about something I might not be interested in, you make the subject matter more interesting. Not sure if anyone has ever told you that before, but I wanted to throw that out there. From the shooting style to the editing, your videos are always well done, entertaining & very clean.
I am so glad to see and hear people shining light on this specific series of cameras. I ordered a Lumix S5 II X myself, even! It is so good that it made me want to get back into photography and videography. It was kind of tough for me to afford and even if I won't be able to pay its costs in the long run since it's mostly a hobby and I barely made any money from photography, it was certainly the motivation to keep going. A forgotten passion has been rekindled once more.
Does it do bracketing photos or hdr photography?
Definitely a good take. Panasonic Cameras are underrated outside of small portions of the community. I used my GH3 until last year when I shifted to mostly photography, and swapped to Fuji for the convenience of customizable film simulations that I rarely have to take into lightroom. Definitely would switch to an SII or SIIX if I was going to start doing any professional or semi-pro video work again.
OMG since i was a teenager, I remember a photographer i followed said, "The best camera is the one that's with you" which is basically what Harris said
Great video. The LUMIX cameras seem to be the first ones using modern connectivity and quality of life features. It makes Canon and Sony seem like they’re lagging behind.
Traditional photography is decreasing as AI improves. Most of the videos people consume are made in this type of informal format. If Sony and Canon don’t release comparable new cameras soon LUMIX will take a big chunk of the market share.
When it comes to features, I think Panasonic is constantly among the top contenders for the last decade. It's just that they are so stubborn in making M43 and CDAF work while other companies have already focused only on perfecting their FF and PDAF system. This camera is Panasonic's first real attempt at making a FF PDAF camera, and it's already able to fight toe to toe if not outright surpassed other FF PDAF cameras. The Big 3 really have to watch out for what Panasonic has in store for the near future.
Trad photography is actually getting bigger because people are finding it more enjoyable again. AI is not going to take that hobby away. Most videos people consume is just junk which is why the cinematic styles always convert better. Sony can just make a new cheap camera that caters to that crowd - but why would they bother when most folks who are filming that way are using their phones anyway. These "camera" wars nonsense has been going on since the start of digital cameras and honestly it's all BS.
The “and always….happy streaming.” You are extending it by a millisecond each time and I’m here for it bro
i've been wanting to upgrade for a while now from my old APS-C Nikon 5200 but price was a massive factor and i always shop for the 'best bang for buck' i am not brand loyal in the slightest so videos like this is what i turn to for advice. after watching your video, i pulled the trigger on an DC-S5iiX. i have my mind blown every time i take a photo or video. i'm sure i would've felt the same way quality wise whichever system i went with. but as you very potently stated here, there is no accounting for the massive price to performace this system offers me. i am now looking at other lenses and already bought the 85m f1.8 last night.
thank you for making unbiased content like this. i truly feel i have made the right choice and will be happy with it going forward.
Yea its only Lumix no doubt i still use the GH6 though ... lol ive been through all of the sonys but i always go back to lumix
Not a full frame, but Fuji Xh2s also can record Open Gate. Just saying, since you said Lumix is the only one. But as a Sony user, i would gravitate more to Lumix, thanks to your video!
The Fujifilm X-S20 does open gate too at a lower price 😎👍
I think it is only a matter of time for more lens options. It would make sense for Panasonic to see if the camera sales are good and than develope lens that people want.
Panasonic need to make such lenses. Leica themselves make pricey lenses.
What lenses are you looking for? They make a 16-35 f4, 24-70 f2.8, 70-200 f4 and f2.8, a 70-300 macro, a whole set of matching size and weight 1.8 primes from 18,24,35,50,85 that are all weather sealed. They have a smaller and lighter 20-60 f3.5-5.6 thats weather sealed and even a 50mm f1.4. That covers the vast, vast majority of shooting scenarios, other than telephoto. Thats where Sigma, as a first party lens manufacturer, they have 100-400, 150-600 and the new 60-600. they also have the smaller 28-70 f2.8 for a light travel standard zoom and a whole series of f1.4 lenses, including 50, 35 and 85.
I really enjoy the ergonomics of the majesty in your background!!
Then there is me… Fujifilm x100v. Not in the market for another camera, but this was a great video. Always learning.
The Lumix S5II is really hard to beat for value, whichever way you look at it. But really, especially so on video. For Photos, I'd still go for Sony (though I'm on Lumix myself still even as a photo main), and the Lumix full frame ecosystem is still a bit behind. But for value, it's pretty insane what the Lumix offers on the video side of things.
Harris. Great content! This one is for whoever edited this video and I'm only commenting because I know you guys care about the absolute tiniest details.
The counting sound effect at :29 sounds an awful lot like a door knock if you're not actively watching. I had this video playing and got up to go to the bathroom and was really curious who was knocking on my front door. Took me a second to play the video back and realize what happened.
Small detail and 97% my own stupid fault, but being judicious about natural sound effects could up your game .001%.
the gopro hero 11 has something to compete with open gate but obviously on a significantly subpar camera
would also like to ad that rtmp streaming from 1 cell signal is never good its normally just constant crashes and low bitrate but not the fault of the camera
i'm just as baffled as you that sony doesn't have open gate on the a7s3/fx3. A literal update could increase the value of these by so much. same goes for shutter angle
Had to follow you for the info you give, thanks alot!
I would LOVE a comparison video between ~$2000 cameras. This vs the ZV-E1 for instance, but with a couple others for good measure. How good is the auto focus? What are the supported picture profiles? What lenses would you recommend and their cost? Do cheaper cameras (creators might already have) have the same lens compatibility?
Basically a TH-camr’s first big camera video.
I have a ZV-E10. Being able to use the same lenses I’ve bought for it is a huge selling point for the ZV-E1. But 6K open gate.
Zv e10 how it compare with sony zv e1?
Is this better then the Sony FX 3 to just put on a tripod and record your TH-cam show?
You can also use that camera as a webcam without a capture card, just use the usb-c port with a ethernet adapter and bring it into the streaming software of choice as a source, once on the network you can control them (yes multiple cameras) from a laptop or PC. The networking and live streaming features that are not stream directly to YT or Twitch are not really talked about and you have to read the manual to see those, oh and btw did you know there is a full frame lumix camera that has PoE (power over ethernet) and can basically be operated with 1 ethernet cable for power, control, and video transmission... basically perfect for studio environments and webcam setups.
Next Blackmagic camera is apparently also switching to L-mount, and seeing how slow Sony is with the updates to their cameras and with weirdly specific limitations that they put on every shooting mode, Lumix might actually be a better option period. Weird that 2k camera from Lumix would have more professional features than Sony's "cinema line" cameras whatever that means to them. Salty? Yes, a bit. At least more competition = more better
Nice video. Seems like the comparison is mostly directed at using either camera as a TH-camr/streamer. But what about others like image quality, stabilization, color accuracy, focus speed/accuracy as a photographer or non-streamer (either beginner or pro level) for something around the same price point as the Lumix?
I can really only share what my experience has been around what I typically use a camera for. There are tons of other videos on this camera that probably answer your questions, though. The Gerald Undone one is a solid one.
uuuh maybe I missed something but the S5II is ABSOLUTELY NOT the only camera that shoots open gate.
so there is also the original S5, the GH6 and GH5 that also do that
and outside of Lumix there is the Fujifilm X-H2S and the X-S20 that both do 6.2K Open gate recording. Only difference being that the X-H2S is a stacked sensor with a much faster readout speed and the X-S2 is a more "normal" BSI sensor
also worth noting that if they don't have open gate, cameras like the Canon R5, Sony A1, Sony A7RV and probably most importantly Nikon Z9 and Z8 all have 8K recording, so even if you don't have open gate you can still use the versatility of such a large resolution for reframing etc. Just use a wider lens basically.
Sony, Canon and Nikon still need to jump on that bandwagon, but I'm pretty sure this is either going to be added though fimware to some cameras (FX3 maybe? or even Nikon Z9/8?) or be a part of the next iterations (A9III and A1II are most likely coming late 2023/ before Q3 2024)
also I feel like the price discussion about cameras was WAYY too simplified and did not represent the whole picture, basically only speaking of video resolution and megapixels. If the A1 is 6.5k because it can shoot 8K video and 50MP stills, why is the A7RV only 3.9k while it still shoots 8K video but also has 61MP stills?
A1 is expensive because it has a stacked sensor that is super fast and allow for 30fps stills shooting for profesionnals. A7RV is capped at 10fps. A7S3 is a try from sony to make a fast sensor without relying on using a stacked one (which is much more expensive), so they made a 48MP sensor binned to a 2x2 pixel array giving a 12MP image, improving both the readout speed (not that far from the A1), and increased dynamic range thanks to the pixel binning. The focus of the A7S3 and all cameras using that same sensor (think FX3, FX6, ZV-E1) is to do 4K video, and do it well. that's it.
If you compae that to the Lumix S5II : the readout speed on the S5's sensor is MUCH slower meaning that in both 6K open gate and in standard 4K video, you'll have a lot more rolling shutter in your image than if you were using either a faster sensor (like the A7SIII/FX3) or a stacked one (A1 / Z8 / Z9). It's okay if you don't do too much panning shots, but if you do it's distracting and noticeable
about the L mount alliance: it's not that 3rd party lens makers are considered 1st party. Otherise brands like Tamron and Samyang could release their lenses in the L mount as well. The L mount alliance is a closed ecosystem between Leica, Panasonic/Lumix and Sigma. The mount was originally created by Leica for their SL cameras (L stands for Leica), and they built an alliance with a long time partner (Panasonic with which they have made camera collabs in the past, and still do) and Sigma which could bring more affordable lenses in the ecosystem. But don't forget Sigma also makes cameras (FP and FP-L anyone?) and is a legitimate part of the L mount alliance. But having access to all th Sigma Art glass is indeed a perk if you don't care about the video optimized Lumix lenses or the Leica lenses that would require you to sell a kidney.
The shutter angle, it's pretty easy to understand : basically 180 degrees shutter angle is twice your framerate, 90 degrees shutter angle is exactly your framerate. As long as you select correctly your shutter speed, almost all brands have introduced 180 degrees shutter angles for almost every framerate (that generally just required to add 1/48s shutter speed to shoot 24fps)
I do agree that doing the firmware update right through the app is pretty nice. It will never beat the firmware through SD card that Fujifilm does imho (basically just format a card, drop the firmware on it, put that in the camera, turn it on while pressing the disp/back button and follow the steps. No app, no software on the computer and it's done in a minute or so)
From what I've seen if you want a 6K open gate video with faster framerates and stuff for 4K, well you have the Fujifilm X-H2S that is around the same price as the S5II, has 4K60 without a crop, 4K120 with a slight crop, 6.2K open gate and the ability to screw up a fan for cooling. Also shoots 40fps 26MP stills, and has a stacked sensor. But now you have to compromise the fact that it's an APS-C camera, depends where your priorities are I guess
Open gate looks like it could be a real game changer. I use a Sony a7R IV currently and I’m loving it in terms of quality but with the LUMIX being around the same price, it’s certainly worth considering now
Solid camera review! Actually making me consider leaving Sony too for the tech alone. The only thing this review is missing is differences in color science between Panasonic and Sony.
That's where both manufacturers have been somewhat weak compared to other brands like Canon and Fujifilm. And of course there's ARRI, but they're basically far and above in a league of their own. Sony has had the weirdest problem with skin tones, where no other manufacturer I've seen has had as much green/yellow fringing that can be really cumbersome to deal with. Magenta is an extremely difficult color to control though because it's literally the weakest part of the signal due to it being a combination of red and blue, where green subpixels on sensors make up half the signal (also why green screens are the most accurate for keying). That's an oversimplification of course, but I digress. Panasonic's issue for me for the years I've used their GH line and the EVA1 was that the footage always felt too "video-y", like a classic documentary look where everything looks plain and somewhat lifeless. I'm not exactly sure how to explain it in color science terms, but the best I can say is that the image typically feels more artificial than other manufacturers.
All-in-all, sounds like a Gerald Undone video that needs to be made.
super good video and kind of eye opening to the whole open-gate thing! It also seems like it could be just a firmware update for the Sonys (no chance) and Canons (little chance)
Was it just me, noticed a few moments being out of focus….
4:11 The Fuji XH2s do OpenGate too, if I remember correctly.
Awesome video Harris! I really appreciate the detail you put into it, seriously. I just got an awesome deal on an open box GH6. Definitely gonna be keeping an eye on Panasonic.
Great video! I agree 💯 usually the downfall of Sony is software integration. A lot of the software side of things are not very great and their cameras degrade quicker over time compared to Lumix, Fuji and even Canon. I love Sony for just professional work, but I have such great experience when I shoot Fuji & Canon. I’ve worked with a few Panasonic bodies on professional sets and they’re very easy and straightforward to use without any quirks 🤟🏼
Wow. I watch a LOT of videography on TH-cam and this was the first time I’ve ever watched you. And I gotta say this was absolutely phenomenal. Clear, informative, precise, and very charismatic! 👏 🔥 Definitely a subscribe from me. And a high recommendation for everyone else.
Thanks Harris! Question for us creators who have a workflow centered around use with capture cards, does this camera support clean HDMI output, and at what resolutions/frame rates? Does the HDMI output also contain open-gate 4:3? Thanks!
You give me pause, I see your reasoning. I'm a Sony APSC & FF user but I've always loved my little old Lumix DM-FX 36 with its Leica lens assembly, still running after 11 years trouble free!
My dream is probably a Leica.
Excellent and concise breakdown of the pros and cons, especially for people who are newer to this industry and aren't as familiar with things like shutter speed, open gate, and the different lens mounts. Hit that sub button, keep up the good work! I use the FX3 and Sigma FP and have considered swapping the FP out for one of these new Lumix models. The RAW footage is so incredible, but there's quite a few quirks that makes it not the easiest camera to use.
I have no personal experience with Lumix, but other pluses I've heard about: (1) actual video-centric measurements like waveform monitor (I prefer that over histogram), false color, etc.; (2) can shoot Blackmagic Raw externally to a Blackmagic Design Video Assist 12G HDR on-camera monitor/recorder.
Hey, great Video! The Lumix S5ii is a fantastic Camera (especially at this price!!)
But it's not the only consumer camera that does that. The Sony FX3 for example is doing it after the Firmware-Update 3.0
The 3.0 update added de-squeeze for anamorphic previewing but didn’t add open gate. Wish they did, though. Would have loved it.
@@Senpai Oh sorry i have mistaken it... Thought the DCI 4K is Open Gate... thanks!
As an average consumer, big lens lineup for sony still top it for me. Open gate feature is game changer and so is the former. Couldnt you just have shoot your video with a wide lens and bit further so you can have more real estate when converting it to vertical video?
Hey Harris & Senpai, seeing as you talk about and use Davinci Resolve, im curious why you hvaen't really ever talked about the Black Magic Camera's ( big range ) as their Pocket Cinema 6k G2/Pro are similar in price to the Lumix of this video.
Sick video as always mate, but just picked up my Fuijifilm X-H2s. 4:10 isn't quite correct, I got 6K open gate too, and mine is 26 MP☺
This camera is so good I can see stray beard strands... good job setting a new high for cameras!
Great job featuring key yet subtle details someone with experience with the camera might notice! The s5iix looks like an appealing option! @PanasonicLumixVideo hopefully I'll be able to try one out someday. 😉📷
Really cool features! I did a lot of research and bought a Sony camera, but this is a good candidate to replace it
I've been using my Lumix G7 for years as a webcam just plugged into a 4kCamlink and a dummy battery and BOOM haven't looked back. when i travel i take it off my tripod toss my SD card and battery into it and i'm off. I've been impressed with their micro 4/3rd stuff so I'm really excited to maybe upgrade and get their full frame stuff in the future
I use three Lumix GH4 cameras for my streams and tutorial art videos and two of them are fitter with Leica lenses which are truly amazing. Have you considered fitting Leica lenses to the Lumix S5 MK2 and if yes what were your thoughts ? Love the channel by the way, big fan and you are clearly one of the best TH-cam creators on here. Keep it up, regards Martin
Wow. If it didn't crop so far (i have ot assume it just doesn't have as good of a stabilization here) I feel like this would be a complete W and an easy swap. I still might swap my A7IV over....
Thats pretty sick, I stream with a Lumix g7 and I have loved it. So nice. Love some of the Cine lenses Lumix can support.
I suppose you couldn’t mention that that the reason why the there were quite a few out of focus periods was because you were using a Panasonic to take the video - no ways any Sony would not stay locked onto the face even with the smallest of apertures used. The autofocus system of Panasonic is still way behind Canon & Nikon.
A bit late and not sure if someone else mentioned, but LUMIX offers software that helps create and upload a streaming network settings file though USB connection. This file would contain your streaming URL and key. This process makes it considerably easier than manually entering the url and key on the camera. I have used it before but also with my LUMIX GH5 II. I believe it should work with the S5 II as well. I got it from LUMIX Japan and its in Japanese but I suspect there might be an English version too.
its not the only consumer camera that shoot open gate,Fujifilm x- s20 does it too
This isn't the only consumer camera with open gate, the Fuji x-h2s has it as well
Ohhh you said this before but now I get it. Tks for clarity
been shooting w/ lumix cameras for years. Waiting for the Gh7 though since I have so many MFT lenses
I would have to disagree on the lenses. The 18, 24, 35, 50, and 85mm primes are a great deal all with the same weight and color profile. They are the only manufacturer who have this set making gimbal video creation consistent.
Yes, you can shoot 6K open gate, but only in 4:2:0 color space, not 4:2:2. I wonder if you can record open gate 4:2:2 to an external monitor/recorder? (Then again, that would add some bulk, especially if you're run-and-gun on the street.)
Hey! I suggest trying out the HIKVISION DS-U02 1080p webcam. It surprised me a lot for how much value it brings with barely any cost. After using it with cameras very much above its pricepoint from the logitech lineup, its far better than anything below the brio, and would bring a lot of value to streamers.
*My First Camera, Camera, was (2) Panasonic Cameras. The GH7 and GH85. Amazing Camera but the Autofocus SUCKED and Living in Alaska getting Micro 4/3 lens was not Good, so I switched too the Sony A6400 and then ZV-1 and then Sold BOTH camera's got the FX30 and Plan on getting ZV-E10 but I love Videos more then Photo's so the FX30 for me is more plausible But it's good too see a Content Creator talk about a Product specially when it comes to Camera's & Be Honest about it and not be shy about yes I love Sony and I love Panasonic but for different reason as oppose too just one camera*
I'm a photographer that uses Canon and I love Canon's ergonomics, I'm not fussed about video specs because my main thing is photos but the first time I grabbed the S5ii I couldn't believe how good it feels in the hand, I almost just want it from the ergonomics alone lol. I also didn't know you could use S5ii in an IRL stream situation and that's honestly really cool!
Yeaaaaa.
Well. I just bought a second hand A6000 with three lenses. Oh boy. I got a long way to justify getting your kind of quality 😱
But nice video. I learned alot! :)
One thing to note is that the s5 II IS NOT the only camera that can shoot open gate (G9, Gh5, Gh5s, Gh6 and I believe the S series FF lumix can all do open gate) Im assuming you meant its the only brand...
Is open gate compatible with capture cards such as the Elgato CamLink? I am on the look for a future upgrade from my A6000 that I use for recording gameplays, and the extra headroom would definetly be a good feature!
no, it's for internal records or more expensive professional cards/recorders like Blackmagic or Atomos.
OOOOOOooooo that beat thooo 0:28
Would have liked to seen an autofocus test on both faces and objects. I have a G85 that I like for shooting outside but it's completely worthless for streaming. Specially top down at a table
Are you sitting in the same spot for most of the stream? Unless you move around your room the entire time, just stop down the aperture 1-stop from what you normally use and measure out a set-it-and-forget-it manual focus.
@@UnderageBeerHere I build Models and constantly move objects around from a top down view. Manual is a no go for me.
@@ateamm Ah, yea that would be no bueno for manual then 😅
Lenses are *not* a disadvantage of the L-mount system. There are currently 99 different models available (yes, I counted), everything from 9 to 600mm, macros up to 5x, shift lenses, entire suites of primes at f/1.4, and on and on. Personally I prefer vintage Contax Zeiss lenses but the quality is amazing even with Panasonic's own line... which are lightweight and optimised for video (minimal focus breathing, same size, etc.).
An advantage you didn't cover is ability to record BRAW externally for the smoothest editing in Resolve. Plus the Panasonic is superior for stills photography.
It doesn't surprise me that the S5, S5ll, or S5llx allow you to many things that most cameras cannot! Good review
L Mount also means access to super expensive glass like Leica which has to be as good if not better than Sony G I’m guessing if you’re a pro, or just plain affluent. I use a lot of M Mount Glass on mine and the system allows your look to be tweaked any which way you like. Gorgeous!
My issue with converting for TH-cam shorts if you don't use the video from TH-cam it is harder to get someone to the full video. Yes the short will be better and increased click-through rate for the channel. Although, if you edit directly from your video the person can click and go right to your video.
The Fujifilm XH2s also shoots 6K Opengate
Well now I know what to save towards. Thanks for the review!
Although an apsc the fuji xh2 has open gate. Great video by the way👍🏽.
Panasonic has always been banger company with major features and value. 🙌🏼 That said I’m looking to get a Sony A6700, G lenses yooooo.
Sonys most recent software updates are super easy to install. It has taken a while to get to a good place. Also, with those updates, the FX3 and FX30 now have DCI which not quite open gate but still is quite the improvement. Also, the FX30 at least is cheaper, has better autofocus, is easier to just plug and play to stream.
Panasonic does a lot well but seems your shorting Sony as well.
I've been a Lumix users for a couple years now, their cameras are so underated, imo. I'm still rocking a G7 and getting footage that can easily compete with more modern cameras. Really wanting this one though lol.
Does the 8k not give you the flexibility of the extra pixels - I assume you need to shoot with a wider lens at that point and correct for any distortion in post?
The next camera they do, the S1Hii or whatever, that'll be the one... Till then the A7iv is imo it's main competition, both cropped 4K60, one has all the QOL improvements, the other is 33MP photos with better AF... It may overheat still, but you'll get away with it. Open gate, so juicy!
You didn't mention the IBIS in the S5ii(x), amazing IBIS on the panny's, much better than Sony and Canon, worthy highlight for potential vlogging people
if you can stream from the camera over wifi to twitch or youtube, does that mean you can also capture to a computer via wifi as well? can I just give it some usb power, tell it to connect to the computer and be done without having to mess around with capture cards? or AT LEAST have they made it so that I can plug it in via usb and get full resolution max frame rate transfer without having to use a third party's usb or pci capture solution? Can I capture that 6k open gate resolution using a standard capture card or by plugging the camera in over wifi? I'd LOVE to just plug a high quality camera into the computer via usb, have it show up as a capture device in OBS that I can crop how I like and start streaming...
The error on your phone, have you tried going to the privecy/security settings and 'allow' the app access to 'camera, microphone, data' etc?
Thank you for the great content, I hear about open gate more and more lately, but it let me wondering, is 4k open gate (for example) creating heavier files than 4k 16:9 ?
I mean, I would expect it to be 20 to 30% bigger, since there is more pixels, except if black pixels count 🤔
File size can be important for me as a traveler and and since in Europe we have XAVC HS only for 50p -_-
So we don't have these light weight, normal speed footages... 😑
That's Sony hating European market 😅
Stay away from sponsored videos folks
The Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K Pro is also a good option. It includes a copy of DaVinci Resolve Studio, which costs $300 👍🏻
The Fujifilm Xh2s also supports open gate.
I did have the original Lumix S5. It was a great camera but no phase detect auto focus and the lack of lenses is an absolute killer.
was debating on a new camera for filming all sorts of content, and by god i think you just sold me on this one.
4:51 - but that didn't look 4k anymore?
for the open gate, cant you just shoot a wider angle and crop it vertically for the same "not so cramped" for the vertical video?
The Lumix cameras have LONG been feature packed and leading the way with options available to the consumer. The g7 is still one of the best buys for beginning content creators, it's SUPER packed with features like 4k and easily unlockable recording times, wifi control, and cheap lenses available for the mft. The S series is JUST as amazing.
wait ive been doing this for quite a while on my fujifilm xt5 also 6.2k?
@@JerimiahCook Non-Fool Frame is even better. If you want to let in more light, you don't loose as much depth of field which is important for standard video. Any noise argument is mute for moving pictures, plus I've looked up the X-S20 it has the same DR as the S5 II anyhow. Smaller lighter lenses/kit bag, cheaper sensors, GH series superior IBIS ...
Very smartly told but, what about the low light and image stabilization? You should have talked about it sir.
Why wouldn’t you jump for the S5 II X for improved functionality tho?
So most of this was shot on the S5iiX and that one is my handheld camera (I like the blacked out look). But between the two, the only added feature I might actually use is the live streaming.
Not the only consumer camera that does it, actually. Probably the only full frame one though.
Fujifilm has it on their XH2S and their new X-S20, both 6k Open Gate, they’re just both APS-C sensors instead of full frame.
Can you stream to a custom RMTP/SRT server or just twitch/youtube? Would be useful for composing IRL streams with overlays in a base server (IRL > Home > Twitch).
the S5IIX has both RTMP (straight to platform like twitch etc) and RTSP (Network stream)... RTSP requires a USBC to Ethernet adapter
Not having the 4k 120fps and the 60fps crop is why I prefer the gh6 over the s5ii
Hi! I love the camera, but I can't seem to find the same lens you're using. Would anyone be able to help with a link to this particular lens in the video. Thanks!
If you can get adobe premier for free would you use that rather then davici ? i just found out cuase im a univety faculty member i can use the adobe suit.
Great analysis! Thank you.
Anytime manufacturers minimize the gap between wants and needs at a realistic price point, the consumers stand to win. With everything this camera packs in at it's price point, I might be asking too much but did I see you using the scroll as a d-pad to enter the stream code? Does this too account for nice functions then not have a true touch screen?
The Lumix S5ii is no longer the only consumer camera with 6k open gate. The Fuji X-S20 recently joined those ranks and is even cheaper due to being APS-C.
A $1,300 body that has raw video output. The X-S20 is incredibly enticing.
I meant to specify full-frame. Sorry for the confusion.
@@Senpai Full-Frame/Fool-Frame/Film-Frame, why be limited to a single artificial construct, when every sensor size has pros and cons, and really not much between them? As you say, you get a camera to get a job done, and you made a big note about the price. Super35 F2.8 has historically been a standard to shoot scenes, and many recognised pro gear to get the job done has been based on the smaller MFT sensor.