Lumix S5II & S5II X: Long Term Review
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- Deep dive review of the Lumix S5II and tests of the S5II X
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Please never stop talking about the shutter close feature when off. ALL cameras need this!
No I hate it. Turned off on my cameras.
@@ginoy8885 only few people hate it,the feature is literally so helpful when changing lens outdoor , companies definitely going to do it in all cameras in the future 🤷♂️
I know a justification for not having it has been that the shutter is more delicate than the sensor, but it’s not like we use shutter close to not put a body cap on. it’s going to have something over it most of the time. it just needs to help keep dust off the sensor for the seconds it isn’t covered up by a lens of a body cap
It's a very cool idea and feature until you're forced to deal with a malfunction, considering it's just one more mechanical thing that can go wrong and lead to expensive repair. Much better for me to just handle my equipment with extreme care.
Then there's my ZV-E1 with only electronic shutter smh
The 6K no tracking while recording externally/monitoring is now fixed with the new firmware update so that's nice. Another great thing about Lumix, they're super good with firmware updates. They also added Blackmagic RAW which works flawlessly, gives you almost an extra stop of dynamic range because of the highlight recovery feature plus WB/ISO control works as it should which it doesn't on many other systems. Also, you need to confirm the AF tracking otherwise it will jump to your hands or other people and it won't find you when you walk out of frame and come back again. No one never actually confirms the tracking,? Amazing to see how many people actually misses this, it greatly improves the AF on the original S-series as well. When you do actually confirm the tracking by hitting the touch screen you get arrows pointing in towards the subject to let you know you've actually locked on to the subject and confirmed to the AF system that you indeed want it to track that specific object and not something else like your hands or another person.
Are you speaking about BRAW in 5ii or 5iiX? It really strange tactic, s5 and s5iiX have external BRAW, meanwhile 5ii don't. So in result 5iiX + Assist12G are too expensive together.
@@kiyashko86 Yes, BRAW in the S5II and S5IIX is excellent. In the S5 however it's pretty bad as it has lots of baked in NR which def isn't something you want in a RAW format. Not strange, it's what they've always done, in the S1 and the GH5 for example you needed to pay for the upgrade to get V-Log for example. Pretty common thing, if you don't want that then you'll have to pay for the slightly more expensive model which has it out of the box. Depending on where you're located it's around $200 for the RAW upgrade in the S5II.
@@skrotfiske Sad. I was hoping to get 5s+VA5HDR. Is there any samples of backed NR or difference?
@@kiyashko86 yeah, it's a shame but it's fixed with the S5II and the S5IIX. Samples between the new and the old S5? None that i have seen, i've only done my own and seen some samples and discussions in Lumix specific facebook groups.
@@skrotfiskeThe GH5 has 10-bit 4:2:2 without any paid upgrade - I use this as my default :-) VLog does cost extra though
Best review I’ve seen yet. I’m pretty technical and there’s still something relaxing about you summing up your take away rather than going full geek. I like how you said “ you know who you are” when it comes to people who need the fancy codecs
Great and honest review. I got my Lumix 2ii and agree with all pros and cons.
I am using the LUMIX Sync app on my IPad to monitor myself with wifi.
The only con is you need to connect to a camera WiFi.
Other option that I use is : LUMIX Webcam Software (Beta) paired with OBS studio.
This one works great!
Thank your work!
Great review!
As someone who hasn't used Panasonic cameras before, I found S5 II very intuitive and easy to shoot with. Very good camera, especially for the price.
very helpful. thanks for taking the time to share your experiences.
also your color grades are straight up gorgeous.
Great review! Glad a quality my creator like you is enjoying this camera. Plan to upgrade from my S1 this year, Lord willing.
Got the s5ii and loving it. Going to Istanbul myself for a few months this winter and also hitting the Alps this summer. Can't wait to get out and shoot more with it
Good review. Thanks for doing a long-term review since those are - to me - much more valuable. I think the issue with dust is that it is much easier to damage a shutter when the lens is detached than it is to damage the sensor. I will probably get the IIX because I would LIKE to have the option to stream live events, and possibly use all-i if I amgoing to have to do alot of chroma keying, where apparently all-i does make it easier to have a clean key.
Awesome review, appreciate it! That autofocus was my biggest question. Love the studio look too 🔥
Well done Tyler! Outstanding review. Man, I’m counting the days for the S5IIX to arrive! Also, like yourself, I’m also in for the upcoming S1H MKII (S1X), or whatever they’re going to call it. The video quality from the S5II is excellent.
Did you wind up getting one? I've owned the S5iiX for almost a full year and it's incredible. For those interested I've got a long term review up on my channel.
Your color grading is immaculate. So satisfying to look at.
The footage looks absolutely beautiful! I guess that’s one of the most important aspects. I imagine that the S53 will be the one I get. Great video❤
When is the next release? Any idea?
yo tyler, your grade and lighting of the talking head is just straight 🔥🔥🔥
sweet coverage! absolutely insane value camera for creators. i love mine, it's only limitations i tell people to consider now are:
- no OLPF (be ready for moire like you see on the couch at 3:40)
- rolling shutter performance is pretty bad but is combated by the great IBIS
- the 4k 60 crops is a real pain and probably it's only major downside
- autofocus is good but not great
I know there is no OLPF on the S5II but any chance they added to the S5IIX since its meant to be more video centric?
Excellent review Tyler! New subscriber 😊 I’m trying hard to refrain from saying “I told you so” to all my Sony/Canon autofocus zombie mates now they see all those other features Lumix has, as you point out. Like you say, the IBIS is so underrated for sheer useability, and the VLog profile for fuss free setup and easy beautiful results. I’m looking forward to the successor to the S1H because the current one doesn’t support PAL 50Hz in Open Gate, which means I’m wary of using it for pro projects where I live in Australia, a PAL country. Also the OLPF on the S1H removes any chance of moire from the get go. Also I’d point out the other 3rd party L mount manufacturers now like TTArtisans and Sirui for their anamorphics, to name a couple! Exciting times in creator world!
I'm so excited for the future of Lumix products! Crossing my fingers for a proper box / cinema camera.
I believe Gerald mentioned in his review for the S5 IIx that the autofocus issue where human tracking wasn't working when using 6k modes with a monitor on the S5II was either fixed on the S5 IIX or was just another included feature with that camera. At this point we'll just have to see if the S5 II gets it with a future firmware update. He also reported that some of the autofocus issues with slow motion were improved with the S5 IIX as well, at least in 1080p.
Was really surprised to hear about this about the S5 IIX (on Gerald's channel as well) but on the same day I found out that S5 II announced a much higher MSRP in my country (something like $600+ more)😭 so I kinda lost hope for the S5 IIX and the Panny system in the general.
I hope something like the future Sony a7c II or Canon R replacement comes to close to a good value like the S5 II is. Sony cameras are actually decently priced here.
They fixed it. The software update fixed it and added AF that works well. I use my atmos, & when I shoot in 6k open gate, I can use AF with no issues.
@@Haveyoueverbeenswallowedthey fixed it on the sii?
Great review, seriously considering this camera. You mentioned Prores being slightly darker, this is actually because for some reason Lumix cameras encode Prores as video levels instead of full range data levels. It's easy to change in Resolve but some NLE don't let you. Once you change this setting it looks the same as the other codecs.
Excellent perspective. Enjoy hearing the view of someone who isn't a Lumix diehard. I shoot on a GH6 and was really tempted by the S5II but the "pro features" just aren't quite what I'd like. Hoping the S1HII (or whatever) fixes a few thing & brings it up a level.
Thank you for this great long term review. There are so much about these cameras that we can never know until we live with it for some time. I've been very happy with my Sony kit, but have been looking at the Lumix line because of open gate. However, my use case is exactly what you ended up talking about @14:26. That's unfortunate. I really really really want Sony to implement open gate soon.
Excellent! I switched from Fuji APSC to the Panasonic S5ii and am so happy with my decision. Couldn’t agree more with your statement that if it looks right on the LCD that’s how it will end up looking in raw.
What camera were you using from fuji??
@@AqworldsAuildere The Fuji XT4
Great detailed review. Thank you, Tyler!
Had great results from the Sigma MC11 EF to E for Sonys and recently got a Panasonic S5 so the first accessory I bought was the MC21 and again not disappointed. Sigma 45mm 2.8 was the second thing I bought and I have the 17mm f4 in my sights.
Weeell, I'm selling my R6 this summer and surely going for a S5II lol. I just buy it two months ago, but video limitations are really annoying me. Sure, taking photos with it is a beautiful and seamless experience, and 4k 60p is awesome, if I can keep my mental health while shooting it. I was really reluctant to leave Canon, but if that Sigma adapter works as well as Tyler put it, adapting my EF glass shouldn't be a problem. Hopping to doesn't lose too much money reselling my R6.
Really nice review! I wish it came out sooner xd
Coming from a Sigma fp, I’m actually pretty excited about having a lens ecosystem that is limited yet technically proficient. With the new firmware updates this thing punches above its weight class and you did a great job highlighting the features that were most important for those of us considering other cameras in this price range. Thanks for the great review!
Amazing! Thank You! Congrats for quality and professionality!
Great Video! It was extremely helpful when selecting my next camera.
Solid review. Thanks for not putting cheesy LUTs all over the footage like a lot of TH-camrs do. The neutral look makes it so much easier to judge the camera. One thing that grabbed my attention, what up with that crazy moiré on the couch at 03:41? Is there any way to mitigate that with in camera settings?
I just sold my Sony A7iii and now looking to get S5IIx ! your video was very helpful
Hey Tyler, excellent video!
I'd like to add one small thing though... To use ProRes with the V-Log profile, you need to first convert the footage from Full to Legal Range to fix the levels difference (that's why saturation and contrast/black level aren't the same as the other codecs). Same with Atomos recorders. A lot of people seem to think it's because ProRes is a higher quality codec that the image has more contrast/pop, but this isn't the case. Other codecs do have proper levels, while ProRes isn't interpreted correctly... which a bit of a bummer that this issue hasn't been fixed over the years...
so prores does not have more contrast and pop ?
@@creativegreatsvisuals Not at all… it’s just a better codec with higher bitrate
Great camera, i will buy X switching from SONY A7Riii !( already having S5M2, but your evaluation for X and Black design hit my heart !)
Thank you for this excellent review! In terms of quality and video features, which camera would you choose between the Lumix S5 IIX and the Fuji X-H2S?
Thanks for the great review. I recently sold off all my canon gear and am looking into getting a full frame hybrid system to complement my X-Pro2 which I use for stills only (obviously). Was going to get the A74, but now I’m thinking the LUMIX S5iiX might be the better option.
Thanks for this review. Very nicely done.
I wanna throw a point up on the board for the R6 II. It is the only camera in this price range that doesn't crop on 4K60 and shooting IPB is just fine/perfect for anyone either breaking into pro/creator work or a serious hobbyist who doesn't want to fill their drives up fast with ALL-I and larger uncompressed codecs.
As a commercial/doc editor first who shoots a little bit and does photo gigs on the side, this was the godsend buy for me (who also has EF lenses, a BM6K to pair and a bunch of LPE6 batteries kicking around). And with the rock solid autofocus, t's the perfect "just get the shot" camera for my use case.
That being said, if the S5 II X somehow managed to remove that crop and their new autofocus came out blazing out of the box, I might've reconsidered, but I also like how the R6 II just keeps me simple with as much image quality as I need for the web.
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk on Tyler's video.
60p no crop on r6 mark ii is a huge plus but can it film open gate to get vertical content for insta and tie Tok? does it have shutter angle ? also its 8bit color with the r6 mark ii unless filming in clog3?
Thanks for the great rewiew. I am a Panny fanboy but admit they are not perfect. The S5II and IIx are, in my opinion, the best bang for the buck cameras out there.
Hey Tyler! Great video once again! Kinda torn between the 2 cameras S5ii and S5iix - is it easier to live stream with the S5iix? Or do you think an s5ii would suffice? Mostly using the camera for music videos/green screen stuff and live streaming. And we're coming from a GH6...
I work with the S1H as a B or C cam alongside Arri Alexa mini and Mini LF quite a bit purely because V-Log and its colours match way better than Sony and Canon. Plus Anamorphic options are truly great,.
tried the s5ii and i love it, colorscience is shockingly great
The shots of you speaking in your office you mentioned you’re using the c70, can I ask what lens you used as well?? Love the look. Great video! 💯👌🏼
I have been shooting video for 17 years now, and ONLY with manual focus. I want to get a full frame camera now and this one looks great for my needs. As for automatic focus, the only time I would be using it is in place of racking focus during a take, in most cases. Being able to touch the screen and have the lens focus to that spot is 100% all I need, and this camera does it just fine. Seventeen years without autofocus, and I've done well. Rarely have I ever wished to have autofocus, but there's a few circumstances when it would be nice. Also, the stabilization in this looks perfect for my needs as well. I've been using a Glidecam knock-off to stabilize my footage most of the time. Looks like I can do most work being hand-held with the stabilization in this camera. This camera would eliminate the need for a gimble and a focus puller system.
What beautiful pictures! And nice review. Thank you.
Why not make a video about your experience about F-Log, S-Log, V-Log and S-log in the mirrorless camera.
That’s something I would watch!
Did you find that PDAF worked in the 10800 modes for the S5IIx? It currently doesnt seem to work with the S5II.
7:26 I had a similar issue but if you use Face/Eye instead of Human Detect, it will lock the face and ignore foreground objects. I had the problem but in reverse, objects I was holding to the camera weren't being focused on.
Very thoughtful and concise. Thank you.
I can’t stress enough how important open gate shooting is to me. Getting to maximize the sensor just makes sense. Other brands really need to follow suit here
Great review....just curious, and I have not found a direct answer yet, but do you know will the S5II be able to upgrade all the features of the X. or will some features be non-upgradable? Just curious if you knew....thanks of the help
Great stuff, Tyler!
Great stuff Tyler 🤙
Very good review, thanks! Just wondering what happens if you use a Canon EF lens with IS and turn it on? On the GH5 if I adapt an EF with IS you can only have either body or lens IS. They don't work at the same time. thanks again!
I’m curious, what HDMI cable are you using at 11:30 ? The purple looks sick.
For filmmaking would you recommend the Lumix SII, the FX30 or the EOS R6?
wow that was a great review! Subbed
Great video. Thank you very much. I have a few questions: Panasonic Lumix S5IIX vs. S5II both have the same sensor? both have the same video quality? i just got a 5II (no X) no 6K auto focus also 180 150 FPS no auto focus at (X) also same? I would be grateful for your answers.
I watched a bunch of reviews of this cam from a videographer point of view and this was the best one. Thanks. Very interested to hear that the autofocus on the adaptor to EF mount world well.
awesome footages, awesome color grading!!!
Tyler does you have a Settings Video for the S5 II ? Man after paying $2000 I need to learn how to get this type of quality from my Camera. Your footage is ALWAYS on point. Thanks for all the content you put out you are
Grade A
will there be a camera with an internal SSD (1terrabyte) - wouldnt that be better and faster than save the files on sd-cards? perhaps this way we could have internal B-Raw recording?
I have watched this video multiple times ... I never thought Iwould ever consider a switch from Canon to Lumix ... but here we are ... a smaller ecosystem but one built around video
so what camera do you guys recommend ? lumix s5 ii x , sony fx 30 or fujifilm xh2s ? am i forgetting someone ?
Great video! How is the AF when shooting 1080P@120(not 180!)fps? Thank you very much!
I believe the next update in firmware will fix the 6k/auto focus issue. This is already fixed on the s5llx. Question, I saw you said the 4k60 crop is 1.4. I’d always assumed it was 1.5. Can you confirm?
how you grade your videos? i want to learn it, because I'm moving to lumix system full frame. between s5ii and s1.
You are so right about Sony and open gate, I shoot anamorphic and it is silly to have their competitors use their whole sensor
Great video! I have a rather different question. What glasses are you wearing at 2:00?😅 I really like them😃
Wow saw so many YT Videos about Gear. That was super impressive! I almost never comment, but this time.. truly 100%
Is it good for photography as well? I’m looking for a hybrid camera, I will be doing a lot of concert content (low light) behind the scenes situations.
I really want to see an extensive test of common sigma L mount lenses focus speed n af tracking performance vs Panasonic lenses. Like Sigma 16-28, 20Art 24Art 35Art 50art 100-400. How usable are they? Is there a difference in IBIS performance compared to Panasonic?
I've been looking on the market for a camera to upgrade my webcam, and you seem knowledgeable, so what camera should I look at for not only an upgrade to my webcam, but also a camera that can record great stills and motion capture video for nature shoots? I would love 4k 60fps, good IBS with potential for lens stabilization, clean HDMI output, dual SD card, and a full frame sensor. Currently I'm looking at the Sony α7 III. Any and all help is appreciated!
Thanks for the summary, it would be great if you could talk about how bad / frequently you run into the kind of moire you're getting on the sofa here @3:41
Do you use a Lut with this camera S5II? Cheers!
great video man! I am based in YYC and am thinking about the s5ii
It’s amazing value
@@stalman oh 100% better autofocus than a Z6?
Making want to go this route! Curious how you edit and create moving graphics?
Hi there, I’m considering going from the R6 to the S5IIX for hybrid shooting. However, the excellent AF & tracking on the Canon, especially on the PHOTO side has me hesitating. However I know LUMIX just release a firmware update with improvements to their AF. So I’m wondering if this will compare it to the Canon AF at all? Any suggestion on which way to go?
I'm looking to upgrade to this camera from my sony a7iii. One of the things i came to know about was the moire issue. Is it that big of a problem?
do you mind sharing a couple of portrait raw files with the 50mm? rumour says this sensor is share with leica sensor and I love my Q2 files. Not sure how the s5 ii raw file like
I have a S5 and Sigma MC21, and the autofocus varies wildly across EF lenses. Some Sigma lenses are slow but reasonable, like the 18-35 and 24-105. Older Canon lenses like the 70-200 f4 II are very slow in AF and the IBIS doesn't work. The original 35mm f1.4 consistently misses AF. I am very interested in how much better the S5 II works with EF lenses.
@@Plummky Thank you, I will check that out.
I didn't love the 20-60 then I fell in love with it. I have a 24-70 sigma that picks up dust because I just love the extra 4mm and weight of it.
I'm still confused with this crop at 4k60p, does it further reduce the pixel resolution?
I mean I know that video does not make use of all the pixels the sensor is offering - which is 24 Mp - versus a 4k image being about 8.2 Mp. So alone there you "waste" a lot of pixels but ok it's not an video exclusif gear as the Blackmagic pocket cinema 4K for example, which uses a sensor only having the amout of pixels it needs for the purpose of 4K video.
But what I definitely wouldn't want is ending up recording in less than 3840x2160 and having software upscaling to get back to 3840x2160 output, that would be a no go. But if I still got real native 4k recording resolution and just having that 1.5 times zoom effect, i could live with it and spend the money on that cam. I don't need the 60p for slow mo, shifting back and forth 30p-60p, I need 60p to have less blury movements in tutorial videos, so for my purpose I would always record in 60p.
7.33: you can change autofocus to human, face/eye, or human/animal. so there is a face /eye only detection. And the focus loss on longer lenses will sometimes happen on my 70-300 also, so I hope they can fix that. I also have a button lock on some of the wheels which I bound on one of the front custom buttons to avoid the problems with unwanted setting adjustments. The tracking features on 6k open gate via cdmi seems fixed on the s5x as far as I know, so the s5II will probably have it fixed too ;)
I thought I've heard Gerald Undone and a couple others say that the S5IIX DOES have human/eye detect in the 6K modes even though the S5II does not. Is this not your experience?
As someone who has has owned s1h, s5, and other Panasonics like Varicam, and now shoots a lot of canon raw on the r3, in my experience one of the caveats of these cams is just how they hold color and information in more extreme environments. In normal shooting environments they are fantastic, but when I would use them for concerts and things with heavy saturation and intensities, I found the internal codecs this cam offers to not quite hold up, especially if shooting in the 4:2:0 it forces on higher frame rates. Weird artifacts and loss of detail in heavily saturated areas mainly. There’s also videos of banding people have posted even in 10-bit. So yea shooting canon raw lite obviously uses a lot of data, and the clog2 is slightly less impressive on the dynamic range side, but to be able to preserve all the color info is huge to me, and helps me r3 hang better with my larger more expensive cinema cams. That being said, the value of these cameras is certainly unmatched for what they offer at their price point
Varicam plays in a different league, better color filters on sensor et.., still looks better than anything Panasonic released since then.
@@frankbregulla564 oh I agree. Varicam was a great one. Was talking more about the 4:2:0 on these small cameras.
@2:55, it uses a sensor that Sony _manufactures_, but not a sensor that uses Sony's actual technology. Not saying you're wrong, just think this is something that people might misinterpret. If it was a "Sony sensor" then your images would be coming out like Sony, but the same is true for Nikon as well, and the Nikon Z cameras have no eye AF like Sony does on "their" brand of cameras. Just wanted to point that out. It is distinctly the computer/chip that is not Sony's manufacturing, so these things control the Lumix look. Great video!
Thanks for a great review. This is a very promising camera in terms of vfm and has functions that a cinema camera should have. That said there are still major drawbacks (rolling shutter, moire, crop in higher frame rates, not very reliable autofocus) and I find that the lumix LUT to rec709 is not ideal for "neutral" color rendering (I have used the Sony LUT in the past for a better matching with the Sony FX3 :) ).
Can I ask an unrelated question?
What robot vacuum cleaner are you using in the studio (0:40) and are you happy with it?
Thank you very much for the kind reply (looking for one for my own studio)
LOL... "What vacuum cleaner are you using"
@@vincentcuchel8556 Hey it's there in the shot 😂
Adapting to Sony works a lot now! AF in general has improved
HI
I currently shoot with an older fuji Xt3 and im looking to upgrade. Im trying to decide between 2 full frame cameras. The new Lumix s5iix or the older Sony A7siii.
My use case is video only and im currently focused on realestate videos and some weddings, client work ect.
My main concern is for filming real estate in 4k60. What would look better a7siii 4k60 or the lumix s5ii 4k60 cropped? Most high end videographers in the real estate industry use a7siii. Taking everything into account, noise, low light, Dynamic range, image quality ect which is better.
My goal to get the best quality for 4k 60 video.
Thank you
Thanks for this!! 🎉
Very helpful! Thanks
Great review. Can anyone tell me why there is no light or indicator to let one know from the front the camera is recording? Tyler made an excellent point and I thought this would be par for the course. I'm interested in buying a camera and even basic Sony ZV series have this. Seems really strange this would be omitted and appears to be a large oversight imo.. Thanks
The focus is great now with the new firmware updates!
You seemes to have nailed not only exposure but the overall "Look" of your images
Your dynamic range seems 'satifying' using this comparativly low-priced Panasonic.
I am about to purchase the S52x, So
* What range IRE to do you mostly keep your exposure on the Waveform? is 80 the max? (is there a trick to using waveform?)
* Do you adjust youre S-Curves on the panasonic to get better DR? is there a particular boost/cut that you'd recomend?
* How can you acretian the ideal S-curve levels on such a small screen?
*You managed such good colours here, so how does the S5ii compare with the C200 ~C300?
I think Panasonic deseves the accolades for being less "Trendy", yet hqas so mucg to give ! 🙂
Hey there. I like the s5iix. But to be honest, I've been really waiting anxiously for the s1hii for a long time.
Do you know if it's even coming anytime soon?
Wondering the same thing. When does s1hii come out!!!
I just bought the camera and i’ve been having major trouble downloading video files and looking at them. I can’t see MOV. files at all and then the MP4 files always have artifacts when looking at them in davinci resolve. Anyone know what might be wrong? I have a pretty beefy windows 10 pc and everything is up to date
Love mine. It shares well with my Leica SL!
Hello, thank you for this very useful video. My question that I can't find an answer to... is there an application as performanate as Creator's app or Monitor+ compatible with Panasonic to make the pull focus remotely, on an Ipad for example, wireless? It works very well with good Sony devices.
Tyler i found a Panasonic S1H for 1,700 UK pounds used. With its current up to date firmware updates it has the same autofocus as the Panasonic S5 Mark 1 and Panasonic GH6
Hi Tyler! When you reference the R5 in this video, would those comments also apply to the R5 C?
Generally, yes. The image quality is very similar between the too, the R5C is mostly different in its usability
Thank you Tyler, I appreciate your response! Thanks for all the great content.
Alongside the 10 bit does the Panasonic S5 Mark 2 and Panasonic S5 Mark 2 X have 8 bit, as i would use the 8 bit for long form interviews.