Lead is Dead! $229 LFP Siekon 12V 100Ah w/ 150A BMS and Low Temp Charging?!

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  • Siekon 100Ah (affiliate link): amzn.to/4eVDHpP
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    0:00 Quick rant about Lead Acid vs Lithium
    1:30 Siekon Intro and Capacity Test
    2:24 Teardown!
    3:05 Low Temp Test
    3:32 Load Testing! Surge and Continuous
    8:11 Litime Comparison And Conclusion
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  • @WillProwse
    @WillProwse  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +53

    Siekon 100Ah (affiliate link): amzn.to/4eVDHpP
    Promo Code: WITHWILL2 (6% Exclusive Discount)
    Official Website: www.siekonenergy.com/
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    *Does off-grid solar confuse you?*
    Check out my DIY friendly website for solar system blueprints and current product recommendations, and so much more!
    www.mobile-solarpower.com
    *Join our DIY solar community*
    #1 largest solar forum on the internet for beginners and professionals alike:
    www.diysolarforum.com
    *Check out my Book*
    Best-selling and beginner-friendly guide to 12V off-grid solar!
    amzn.to/2Aj4dX4
    *My Favorite Online Stores for DIY Solar Products:*
    *Signature Solar*
    Offgrid One-Stop-Shop. Best Value 48V LiFePO4, Victron and Offgrid Specific Heat Pumps:
    www.signaturesolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek
    *Current Connected*
    SOK, Victron, Mr.Cool Heatpumps and High Quality Components. Fantastic customer support:
    currentconnected.com/?ref=wp
    *Epoch Batteries*
    My favorite high-quality 12V battery:
    www.epochbatteries.com/products/12v-460ah-lifepo4-battery-ip67-heated-bluetooth-victron-comms?rfsn=7352625.50494d
    *Litime*
    My favorite 12V budget battery!:
    www.litime.com/?ref=XBIA62RFcalHns
    *Watts247*
    Need international shipping for large batteries and big inverters? Check them out!
    watts247.com/?wpam_id=3
    *Renogy*
    A classic 12V solar store that has been around for ages! DC to DC Chargers and more!
    renogy.sjv.io/n1VjXx
    *Rich Solar*
    Renogy's biggest competitor! Similar products, but at a better price:
    richsolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek
    *Battery Hookup*
    Cheap cell deals
    bit.ly/2mIxSqt
    5% off code: diysolar
    *Contact Information:*
    I am NOT available for personal solar system consult! If you wish to contact me, this is my direct email: williamprowsediysolar@gmail.com
    Join the forum at diysolarforum.com/ if you wish to hang out with myself and others and talk about solar
    *FTC Disclosure Statement and Disclaimers:*
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    An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com

    • @my_channel_44
      @my_channel_44 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Man, these are badass. 2 x 600cca's paralleled will start 99% of regular trucks. They typically have room for two batteries.

    • @mochouinard
      @mochouinard 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Now you need to start doing check about how well they are sealed. Maybe use some kind of vacuum pump instead of dumping them into water ;)
      One thing that would be great, is a battery that you could just put along side a lead battery. What I mean by that, is for example, my friend have a sailboat. Her budget is super limited, and her battery will need to be replaced. But she do have a Diesel Engine that the battery need to be able to start. Her system allow 2 battery, and she have a battery selector that allow to select individual battery, or both batteries. I would love to help her out and get her a LifePo4 battery, but I see multiple problem... First the battery selector, can cause issues, as one battery might be low, while the other one full, so switching to Both battery option, then you have the 2 battery having rush current into them... And with the battery you just shown, if there is no protection at all, it would rush at what... 600amp between the batteries ? This doesn't seem to be a problem with her Lead battery. And can I start safely a Diesel engine from these batteries ?...
      As for me, I do have a Ecoflow Delta 2, and I do have 48volt battery system. It would be great to have a battery like this to supplement my Delta 2 on the cheap, but the max at 12volt would be 166watt I can input into my Delta 2 from the DC IN port at 13volt. So I'm not sure how useful it would be (and maybe that 166watt have a good % lost in conversion as well...). I could use 2 of these batteries in series and get 2kWh... It just suck that there is empty space inside.

    • @trevortrevortsr2
      @trevortrevortsr2 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Fun Fact : We call people who lived in the past here in Blighty " Luddites" after the hand weavers who rioted and started to smash up the new mechanical weaving looms - for a while the weaving factories were built like forts.

    • @xBucket13x
      @xBucket13x 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      did you happen to do any temp readings while the case was still on. i am wondering if the temp sensors would have shut down if the case is left on

    • @stephsoltesz6731
      @stephsoltesz6731 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Will, I have to raise the Red Flag here.
      They are obviously not using High C-Rate LFP cells but just regular Prismatics. Nothing wrong with that, except you exceed the specified C-Rates such as 2C and even 3C discharging. Burst Discharges within spec are OK but not this.
      It may be prudent to check out the cells specifically, locate that companies spec sheet and take that into consideration. In my opinion, allowing such heavy discharges will have consequences and potentially most unpleasant ones.

  • @PursellEditing
    @PursellEditing 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +47

    Can I just take a second to thank you for not using those stupid sensationalist youtube thumbnails that all creators do

  • @toddwmac
    @toddwmac 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +76

    "That was so weird! I was not able to get enough load to test this new battery, so I built a Very Small Hadron Collider that encircles my house. Let me get the plug and we'll test it out" - Things Will would say.

  • @jasonpotts6490
    @jasonpotts6490 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +136

    Thanks for continuing to do the battery teardowns. I know it seems they have been done to death, but the market and offerings keep changing and it's good to see what's currently on the market instead of taking a gamble.

  • @bwiz6514
    @bwiz6514 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +228

    I don't follow solar or batteries, but I check out Will every once in awhile to boost my hope in humanity.

    • @glossywhite8634
      @glossywhite8634 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      LFP patents in the US ended in 2021 and 2022 I think. Ever since then every car manufacturer of EVs started using LFP in their battery chemstry. That should tell you all you need to know about where the market is moving.

    • @derekk7881
      @derekk7881 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Same here! 😂

    •  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You don't follow... like you burn gas and coal hoping others go green or what?

    • @UnknownIdaho
      @UnknownIdaho 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Will is great! He gets excited when something fails and even MORE excited when it exceeds expectations!

  • @DobleWhiteAndStabley
    @DobleWhiteAndStabley 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +83

    Ive been using 8, 100 amp 12 volt weize lifepo4 batteries in my van. Im able to run the ac all night and keep my shower water hot and ready for the morning, while running a dorm fridge/freezer. Im so happy I don't have to have a thousand pounds of lead in my van for the same performance. It takes at least 4 times longer to charge a lead acid battery bank, for the equivilant capacity of lifepo4.
    Im not dying this summer and I am so grateful.

    • @carminec4000
      @carminec4000 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I'm just learning about solar. Why 8 batteries? Could you have gone with fewer batteries at a higher DC voltage (48v) to get the same desired available wattage? Or do you specifically need the 12 volts?
      Thank you

    • @my_channel_44
      @my_channel_44 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      @@carminec4000 Either way you slice it, he needs the capacity to do that all night. The real question, is how does he recharge it during the day? Alternator, generator, and what proportion is solar?
      What is the SEER rating of your unit, and what brand/make do you use?

    • @higbeedoug
      @higbeedoug 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Yes, what are you using for an AC unit?

    • @357smallblock
      @357smallblock 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lmk how winter goes

  • @Banagal
    @Banagal 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +168

    Thank you for the review. I'll buy a couple of these. We bought two Battleborn batteries for $1K each, and one died after a little over a year. We contacted Battleborn, as battery was under warranty. Battleborn did NOTHING, except have us check and recheck the battery. We proved the battery was dead and would not charge. Battleborn did NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING. I would NOT recommend buying Battleborn because they don't support their product, nor warranty.

    • @robbehr8806
      @robbehr8806 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      Please, post a review of the Siekon batteries to Will's forum.

    • @pearlydeer4555
      @pearlydeer4555 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      I bought two big Battleborn batteries (270 ah each). Very expensive. Connected two in series, keep having balancing issues. I regret my purchase.

    • @robbehr8806
      @robbehr8806 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@pearlydeer4555 ; Do you think it's that the batteries need updating to current standards, your batteries were bad production, or what?

    • @TobyCostaRica
      @TobyCostaRica 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Battleborn has the audacity to hold their prices where they are AND offer that level of customer service

    • @pearlydeer4555
      @pearlydeer4555 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@robbehr8806 Not sure what the issue is. This is the third year using these with the 24 volt Growatt. Had balancing issues in the first 6 months.

  • @DIYDaveT
    @DIYDaveT 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    These videos are exactly what DIY solar people need. Well done, and thanks!

  • @Snerdles
    @Snerdles 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    On the Siekon website their image says 6000+ cycles but that is based off of 0.5C rate at 25 degrees Celsius to 80%DOD. Their 5000 cycle graph is based off of sinilar but 100% DOD. That's why the numbers were different.

    • @WillProwse
      @WillProwse  24 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Thank you good call

  • @tyger13us
    @tyger13us 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +89

    i binged watched his videos yesterday,, i think i got 35 videos watched so far..
    been fallowing him for awhile, The best reviewer ive found.....

    • @my_channel_44
      @my_channel_44 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Welcome 🎉

    • @Homested_Retirement
      @Homested_Retirement 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Will is the best

    • @pubora
      @pubora 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Agreed The best reveiwer

    • @mikethetoolman8776
      @mikethetoolman8776 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      sheldons doppleganger is a sharp guy on these batteries and charging system!!

    • @ryanyoder7573
      @ryanyoder7573 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah but he doesn’t wear a lab coat and gloves.

  • @bertschb
    @bertschb 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    Love your enthusiasm Will. Really makes your videos fun to watch!

  • @JRP3
    @JRP3 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    Nice to see cheaper batteries that don't cheap out on a low current BMS that limits the output.

    • @gg-gn3re
      @gg-gn3re 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yep. Nice BMS, useful with bad/no over current protection like lead acids are.. could hurt itself though

  • @TheSimpleLivingAussie
    @TheSimpleLivingAussie 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Been off grid for 25 years running Lead Acid batteries until 3 years ago when my battery bank needed replacing. So I switched over to Lithium and haven't looked back. Lithium (LFP) is a game changer and way out preforms FLA batteries in every way and by miles 👍

    • @raywmontgomery
      @raywmontgomery 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Were you able to use your same inverter or did you have to replace it as well?

  • @danvilleneuve9910
    @danvilleneuve9910 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Thanks for the tip Will. What's cool is between the time you filmed this and now (an hour after release of the video), these batteries went on sale. F'n A!

  • @Max_Janszen
    @Max_Janszen 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +62

    My god I paid $620 apiece for two SOK LFPs to put in my truck. They've served me faithfully and I don't regret the purchase at this point but damn, could have saved like $500 on my build

    • @tomashubelbauer
      @tomashubelbauer 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      My thoughts throughout this entire video… I really like my SOK, but for my next expansion, I am getting a handful of these or similar well performing low-cost ones.

    • @faustinpippin9208
      @faustinpippin9208 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Thats why im still waiting with buying a ev, the technology is getting so good so fast and the price drops all the time,

    • @Max_Janszen
      @Max_Janszen 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@tomashubelbauer yeah I like serviceability, that's all I want really is to be able to swap cells out and rebalance

    • @ristekostadinov2820
      @ristekostadinov2820 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Well LFP batteries in the car industry in China have reached to 55-60$ per KWh (i would imagine it is without the hardware supporting them, but still) so 229$ is plausible.

    • @TobyCostaRica
      @TobyCostaRica 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      @@Max_Janszen You don’t want to know how much I paid for 8mb of RAM in the early 90s

  • @gkambs
    @gkambs 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Great stuff as usual. You are the holy grail when it comes to learning me some solid solar solutions. Love your enthusiasm!

  • @williamwilson6499
    @williamwilson6499 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    With current $25 coupon and Will’s code, I ordered two on the Big A for $407.38 before tax.

  • @alpha1inspectionservices
    @alpha1inspectionservices 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I love it when you Geek out over this subject. Props!

  • @SvetzBowman
    @SvetzBowman 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Thanks Will! Keep at it, there's a lot of new tech changes coming and the prices are going to keep falling too!

  • @EricMosegard
    @EricMosegard 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That was awesome! Thank you so much!
    You do a great job. I've been watching you for quite some time now

  • @johnzach2057
    @johnzach2057 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    New eve cells are now $60-$80 in China. This is insane. Being able to go off grid will become so much easier in the next few years in sunny places. Prices of assembled LFPs will likely drop to around $100 per Kwh soon if not already.

    • @91CavGT5
      @91CavGT5 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You can already find them at that price at Battery Hookup.

    • @timsteinkamp2245
      @timsteinkamp2245 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm leery at $500 for a 280 AH. You cannot monitor them. They say they have all the features of the top of line BMS. I guess the savings is trusting the BMS and it is nice not to monitor it. I worried about flooded batteries for years. I monitor the inverter and solar controller which is enough.

  • @whatdoesnt
    @whatdoesnt 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Can’t wait to put this in my kids power wheels 🛻

  • @jebediahkerman3946
    @jebediahkerman3946 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    I saw on their website a reference to a 200ah model. Couldn't find it there, but checked Amazon and it's there for $399.99. Would be interesting to see you review that one, Will.

  • @winstonpittman420
    @winstonpittman420 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I thank you so much for teaching me how to get my sailboat totally solar powered with 3 days reserve

  • @bigbird-xm
    @bigbird-xm 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    This is Awesome!!
    The guys over a Camping World have all kinds of Off Road custom built 4x4 RV's come in and i'm one of them. Today they just told me to get LiFePO4 batteries was recommended for my Off-Road E450 adventure 4x4 RV because that heat wave in Oregon last week in July/2024 @ 105deg Killed all are Marine deep cycle batteries. I'm taking the 4 out and putting 8 of the LiFePO4 batteries back in. Thank you for this Awesome Review Video. It just helped me a lot.

    • @thomaskight4620
      @thomaskight4620 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'm having the same problem. Mine are all dead again after 4 years and that heat wave didn't help. I just found them on line, but I only have 2. I think getting 4 would be the way to go. Unbelievable battery that it can run a car lift and a air compressor. I love this channel.

  • @cjextreme
    @cjextreme 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Every time you get blown away by how well something works that's probably not supposed to, all I see are exec's doing backflips😊.

  • @nicksanta
    @nicksanta 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Hello! Will, thanks for all of your fine work! Regards

  • @tonysmith9061
    @tonysmith9061 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Always love your battery tear downs! Passing tests is not boring!

  • @pteepan2708
    @pteepan2708 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cheers, it's great to watch your videos and Love that you still test these smaller batteries.

  • @ualdayan
    @ualdayan 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    The specs for the battery on Siekon's website are 100A continuous charge/discharge and 300A surge - I wonder if they changed that after your video was made.

  • @harryhoesch3793
    @harryhoesch3793 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Sold. Couldn't wait for Prime day chance on beating todays price, plus 25 more off.

  • @jeremyvelkoff1487
    @jeremyvelkoff1487 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Will, thanks for your great reviews. It's great that you check out these affordable batteries giving us all a reference for comparing the products available today.

  • @RobbertRob
    @RobbertRob 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hey will. Always enjoy your videos especially how you really get into it You're so awesome.

  • @s.mendez7160
    @s.mendez7160 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    Without over current protection actually present and functional, I would put a Class-T fuse in series with that battery. Too much risk of melting insulation and starting a fire, if there was an internal failure...

    • @tyronetrump1612
      @tyronetrump1612 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      There should be a class T used regardless of battery technology

    • @ReflectedMiles
      @ReflectedMiles 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tyronetrump1612 But in this case it could well be your single line of defense against overcurrent, and we don't know how much or what will happen .... Will the BMS catch fire with a direct short instead of shutting off the output? I would personally be hesitant to promote this battery until the issue is fully understood and fixed.

    • @mattmayfield3520
      @mattmayfield3520 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Over current protection seems like an important safety feature. Why is Will so casual about it missing? Is the external fuse the ‘real protection’ in such a system or is this a belt and suspenders strategy where it is so important that redundant strategies make sense and this is potentially dangerous for a more complex mobile system.

  • @georgecarousos6735
    @georgecarousos6735 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    IMO no over current protection is way worse than tripping to soon. Nothing more exciting than when your cables become a welder when you don't expect it.

    • @judd_s5643
      @judd_s5643 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Put a fuse in line!

    • @CGT80
      @CGT80 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      A smart person can limit how much power they draw........use enough batteries for your inverter and it should trip the low voltage protection from draining the battery and not have a problem. Fuses are a good idea from the other person responding. Buy a more expensive battery and it may not be something you have to think about......your choice. Yes, it would be better if they performed as advertised, but it is cheap.

  • @toddshook1765
    @toddshook1765 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank Will.
    With all the influencers you have the most validity. Been following you for years.
    Thanks for testing this battery out. Been looking online and Renogy batteries. Need to get 2 for my RV trailer.

  • @MRHEAT20
    @MRHEAT20 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wasn’t ready for a battery switch but your review popped up - I watched it - and I learned something- thanks for posting this great review 🍻

  • @GrammaHuneePopPop
    @GrammaHuneePopPop 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Thanks again for the great review. I have not built a solar system yet and am not very knowledgeable about electricity/power management systems. But I need to learn as I build our off-grid home on our land. Your videos make me feel more confident that I can build my own off-grid solar system. Thank you for all the videos and guidance.

    • @campcreekhill8933
      @campcreekhill8933 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Get his book aswell, it's a great reference for the bookshelf

  • @briankohlenberg
    @briankohlenberg 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Sold out..good job guys

  • @D0praise
    @D0praise 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Nice enthusiasm Will

  • @this-is-slammin-549
    @this-is-slammin-549 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You have the best content! Love your channel.

  • @Electronzap
    @Electronzap 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Nice, prices did drop a lot. And I haven't come across people saying that quality has gone down.

  • @suecrets5169
    @suecrets5169 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    Amazon has $25 plus Wills code. Got for 207 with NY state tax

    • @dolbyatmos866
      @dolbyatmos866 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      $209 with TN tax and Promo code 👍🏻

    • @GimiH1
      @GimiH1 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      $190 on their site.

    • @suecrets5169
      @suecrets5169 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@GimiH1 OMG figures

    • @johnuppole
      @johnuppole 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@GimiH1yep, free shipping and no sales tax... I picked up two.

    • @_s.i.s.u.
      @_s.i.s.u. 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Official website now shows $240 - 6% will code

  • @johnhumphries4632
    @johnhumphries4632 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Will, Thanks for the review.

  • @aprilwine132
    @aprilwine132 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love your show
    I have three off grid dwellings
    First one still has AGM that have been working well for about 8 years . Second one which is my main dwelling has 4 Relion 300ah in series to give me a 48v system. I pain $3000 each for those batteries 6 years ago. Still going strong, but $12000 for 4 batteries.😞
    My third is an rv with Li Time i bought at you recommendation. Great battery and good customer service . So good to see them go down in price! Very gappy to find your channel a couple years ago.
    Thank you SO much for your channel!

  • @robbehr8806
    @robbehr8806 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    Hi Will, I live in Arizona. I'm very interested in the thermal testing, especially in your cargo trailer. Just like in Las Vegas, heat is an issue, here in the desert. So, maybe do a full and comprehensive video on thermal effects and testing. Maybe, include segments from previous videos that touched on the subject. Love your videos!

    • @my_channel_44
      @my_channel_44 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@robbehr8806 Your LFPo's should be in-cabin for thermal reasons. Why, do you put them in an uninsulated basement?

    • @robbehr8806
      @robbehr8806 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@my_channel_44 ; I definitely plan to install the battery in-cabin, but in Arizona, if cooling fails or is shut off, temps in a trailer can reach 140F.

    • @my_channel_44
      @my_channel_44 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@robbehr8806 Then design a system where that's not going to happen.

  • @Lee_Adamson_OCF
    @Lee_Adamson_OCF 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    The overcurrent protection is when something melts. XD

    • @ahaveland
      @ahaveland 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      and every wire is a fuse!

    • @MaxSUNAAptera
      @MaxSUNAAptera 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@ahaveland We would use the term, Linear Activated Fuse

  • @dianaj3139
    @dianaj3139 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    THANK YOU WILL!! I don't have the budget for the fancy stuff this is hopeful!

  • @scottthompson53
    @scottthompson53 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just ordered mine to replace a marine LA 12v for our small camping trailer. Ships 7/31/24. Thanks Will for sharing and your fantastic channel!! Wish you were near San Diego so I could get your help getting some of our power from the sunshine. Cheers

  • @davefroman4700
    @davefroman4700 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    You ain't seen nothing yet. The cost of cells in China has plummeted over the last 6 months. LFP is down to $56/Kw now. In a year or so from now I bet we see 5kw rack battery prices less than $800

  • @raytruesdell7873
    @raytruesdell7873 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Great video be safe everyone

  • @tommycollier9172
    @tommycollier9172 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks so much for the review, you saved me money

  • @subthousandoaks
    @subthousandoaks 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Very thought-provoking. Thank you, will!

  •  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Excellent review.

  • @iEnigma121
    @iEnigma121 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Hey Will, I was able to order 2 batteries last month off Amazon for $134.99 per battery. They were 12v 100Ah LiFePo4 batteries with 100A bms. I paid $288 for both total shipped to my home. Seller took availability down shortly after on the listing 😂.

  • @bizim_eller
    @bizim_eller 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent video, you're amazing. Thank you for the whole work👍👍

  • @MarkBracewell
    @MarkBracewell 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Now do the HQST that's $185! Thanks for all the fun!

  • @tim1299
    @tim1299 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Did they send you the battery or did you get one off the shelf?

  • @KEAWE7
    @KEAWE7 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Wow! That looks like it is a good battery.

  • @kennybunker2081
    @kennybunker2081 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great coverage of that great battery technology and features 👏🏼

  • @TheSnakeman3
    @TheSnakeman3 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great review as always.
    Man these are getting cheaper. I love it. I’m using Chins currently.

  • @DesertRunner9875
    @DesertRunner9875 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    Are you going to be testing the Sodium ion batteries

  • @RASDB7
    @RASDB7 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Wow simply amazing.

  • @glennbishop-smith9957
    @glennbishop-smith9957 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey Will, just want you to know you're the reason I put an inverter and a couple of SOK 206's in my camping trailer in 2021, and it has been fantastic. The batteries run my espresso machine, the microwave, even the A/C. Thank you!!!

  • @arelkay730
    @arelkay730 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for everything, bro !

  • @hwoodist
    @hwoodist 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Just ordered one

  • @lightitrun5209
    @lightitrun5209 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Wow, 2 years ago I scratch built a 12v 200ah with all the bells and whistles. Cost was around $800. Had to install a 5amp active balancer (new version) Battery has been working pretty much flawlessly -15° - 95° for 2+ years. Enjoyed learning and building one, but why build one from scratch now? Thanks Will, with a mention to Andy @ Off Grid Garage.

    • @jayw900
      @jayw900 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Because it is still technically cheaper to diy. He has a few videos about this. At these prices, i wouldn't.

    • @91CavGT5
      @91CavGT5 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      2 1/2 years ago I built a 300ah 12 volt lithium battery and it cost $750. At that time, I felt as though it was a smoking deal. My battery is still going strong as well having used it every day since it was built. But it is crazy how much prices have come down in such a short period of time!

    • @my_channel_44
      @my_channel_44 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lightitrun5209 5 amp? What kind?

    • @CGT80
      @CGT80 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A month ago, I bought a heated 200ah 12v from Li Time for $720 plus tax in comnifornia. A year or so ago, I considered building my own but like others said, it was a no brainer to spend the money and have something ready to go for my travel trailer. The finished package is better than if I had done the DIY route and tried to not go heater or added my own heaters.

  • @brushbum7508
    @brushbum7508 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks Will ! TAKE CARE..

  • @dfwvtxman
    @dfwvtxman 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    Decent for the price for sure but why do they keep putting them in the old size box? They could have used a much smaller box. Most people have limited space for multiple batteries. Smaller package would work so much better in campervans.

    • @krashanb5767
      @krashanb5767 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Yeah, I was wondering, why so much empty space in there?

    • @rogerhargreaves2272
      @rogerhargreaves2272 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Probably because they produce a 120ah version and using the same box keeps costs down.

    • @dfwvtxman
      @dfwvtxman 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@rogerhargreaves2272 Maybe but it looks like it could hold close to 200ah.

    • @rogerhargreaves2272
      @rogerhargreaves2272 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dfwvtxman quite possibly. 😃👍

  • @dondonaldson1684
    @dondonaldson1684 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The limitations for LFP are being overcome 👉 low temp, 1C charge rates and discharge rates and capacity. This battery "does not have over-current protection" which is a red flag, but setting low voltage cutout is a workaround. Repeated high discharge will have an impact on reliability, but with perhaps a BMS software change, this issue is easily mitigated. Another simple solution is to buy 2 or 4 and run them on a 24 or 48V system, which then reduces peak current output loading. Great review Will, I hope you can do a deeper dive on BMS programming.

    • @Tumbleweed5150
      @Tumbleweed5150 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Don't need all that for protection. Any electrician can tell you that an "overcurrent protection device" is usually in the form of the correct Amp and Voltage rated fuse or breaker. Just get a DC rated breaker that is lower than the maximum current one wants to see. Done deal. LOL

    • @MrHanzeeman
      @MrHanzeeman 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I second that. Electrician here... In-line fuse or breaker for my system.​@@Tumbleweed5150

  • @JosiahHague
    @JosiahHague 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    thank you for putting this together!

  • @JeffSkymaster
    @JeffSkymaster 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thanks Will!

  • @xBucket13x
    @xBucket13x 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    with all the new AIO hitting the market, combined with these Batteries, plus their low cost, weight and high capacity. Looks like its time for a new 24v/48v handcart portable POWER STATION Build!!!!

  • @LithiumSolar
    @LithiumSolar 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    These batteries all look the same anymore really. The cycle numbers are pretty pointless. They are all over the place even within the same companies, exactly as you pointed out. Additionally, pretty much nobody gives the conditions for which those ratings apply - such as 5000 cycles at a 1C charge/discharge to 80% state of health. It's silly, they'll keep one-upping one another by using lower discharge rates to get higher numbers.

    • @timsteinkamp2245
      @timsteinkamp2245 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Keep in mind someone may steel them. You are right but as prices drop we can abuse them and replace them. What about 10 year old solar panels? Replace, add more, when do we upgrade considering they are not recycling them.

  • @Da_GrandiMan
    @Da_GrandiMan 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great Vid Wil ! 😊

  • @vinceoneal31
    @vinceoneal31 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I put a lithium battery in my zero turn 2 years ago and have not had to even look at it. I love that thing. I'm going to get one for my Harley as well.

    • @raywmontgomery
      @raywmontgomery 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What battery did you buy? Does the zero turn recharge it?

    • @vinceoneal31
      @vinceoneal31 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@raywmontgomery NOCO Lithium NLP14, and yes the mower charges it

  • @elberttanner6189
    @elberttanner6189 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Do I understand that the lack of over current protection could be solved with an appropriately rated circuit breaker at the feed point.

  • @reversemyopia
    @reversemyopia 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Video came just a days after I ordered 4S JBD Smart BMS and EVE 105Ah Cells.

  • @SOFISINTOWN
    @SOFISINTOWN 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for the coupon Will, 225.59 total cost! Excellent!

  • @tunanocrustgarage
    @tunanocrustgarage 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am building an off grid property just 1 hour outside of Las Vegas on the north end of the town of Pahrump. I am using Lead Acid for my battery bank currently. In the future I do want to add a lithium bank as cost was the factor. But with declining prices we can start entertaining buying 4 of these at a time.
    Currently I have been adding 4 NAPA HD Lead Acid batteries at a time for 48v on each series. Currently running 3 banks in parallel. Running AC unit, refrigerator and security equipment 24/7.
    Eventually this system will be expanded to also power our house and shop.

  • @chrisbrown4570
    @chrisbrown4570 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    $190 on the Siekon website!

    • @justinw1765
      @justinw1765 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I just checked, didn't see any for 190.

    • @D2O2
      @D2O2 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      $229 now on website. Gone off Amazon.

  • @jrherita
    @jrherita 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Really want a 48V of this for cheap!

  • @josephcormier5974
    @josephcormier5974 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for sharing this six stars brother

  • @Brian-os9qj
    @Brian-os9qj 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’m ready to jump in the solar pool. Thx for your investigations

  • @timnagy2411
    @timnagy2411 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ordered from Amazon, with discounts and an extra $25 off, $202. This'll do well as a house battery for my sailboat

  • @HR-rt9nh
    @HR-rt9nh 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Impressive !

  • @joephup
    @joephup 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Keep it up! Thanks Will. 👍👍

  • @JohnSeaward
    @JohnSeaward 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm just learning with all that your doing,sorry old school lead acid trying to learn new school for adaptable to northern canadian climate, going off grid so trying to find best and cheapest system main and back up power grid system, so thank you for the videos much appreciated from a stubborn old guy 🤣🤣

  • @treepop1550
    @treepop1550 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    It would scare the daylights out of me to do these same tests on lead acid chemistry!!

  • @tradeup2crypto
    @tradeup2crypto 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    These batteries would be good for a self build rv with ac unit. Like a window unit. No soft start needed.

  • @herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513
    @herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I didn't worry any more temp cut out. It doesn't get that cold where I am in Winter. I still wear shorts and tshirts when it's that time of year

  • @phlogistanjones2722
    @phlogistanjones2722 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you WIll.

  • @jamesrussell9511
    @jamesrussell9511 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Also found seikon has a 200 amp hour battery for $399 also on Amazon! Fingers crossed it’s as good as the 100 amp hour!???

  • @Dirt-Diggler
    @Dirt-Diggler 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Get rid of the foam, use a smaller case, call it a mini and charge more 👍

    • @Tumbleweed5150
      @Tumbleweed5150 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's exactly what Li-Time did. I got the ones I have on sale for $250 each, but they've gone back up to over $300, I think.

  • @nicorellius
    @nicorellius 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video, thanks for sharing!

  • @Harisullah397
    @Harisullah397 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I Like you're video ..

  • @dandronemoan4041
    @dandronemoan4041 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What can I use to schedule charge and then discharge through the grid or my house loads to this? With TOU differences, the ROI on these batteries is less than a year!

  • @garyaltenburger6667
    @garyaltenburger6667 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I have been using solar systems for about ten years. Components have been very reliable. I can't say the same about my deep cycle lead acid batteries. I even tried 6 volt golf cart batteries. They were no better. And, yes, I never discharged my batteries below 50 percent. I eventually went to sealed and even AGM batteries. I got tired of having to add water. I have two different systems in the house. I was seriously considering doing away with one of the systems when the two 200AH batteries died. After a lot of thought I decided to try a lithium battery. I had to buy a charger suitable for lithium batteries. I bought one 200AH lithium batteries and was pleased to see that it easily replaced the two lead acid batteries, I now will NEVER buy another lead acid battery. It is amazing and has made my solar system totally trouble free and the life of this battery should be much longer.

  • @barnyardbrio7597
    @barnyardbrio7597 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    love this channel

  • @matd3150
    @matd3150 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    $190 with free shipping is crazy! I wish i had a use for one

    • @marcarcher5426
      @marcarcher5426 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Where are you seeing $190? I can't find that. Also Amazon limited to only 1

    • @matd3150
      @matd3150 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @marcarcher5426 on their website. I bought one for a shop battery to run my winch and random tests with. We will see if they actually ship

    • @matd3150
      @matd3150 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's on the website

    • @timsteinkamp2245
      @timsteinkamp2245 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hook a cheap inverter to it and it can run a fridge, furnace fan and TV plus electronics if power goes out. Look at Texas now. There is no need anymore to be without. It won't run your AC now but maybe someday.