I'm sure this wasn't the intent, but it really made me appreciate how good both the v1 DJI system, and HDZero are for how I fly. Looks like a pretty solid answer I've found myself with.
@@ChrisRosser Tragically, I'm somewhat following my own sunk cost bias in that regard - I think the 03 system's flexibility to handle the whole gamut of non-racing applications really well is practically excellent, and you spelled that out remarkably well. Particularly for the
That’s basically where I’m at too. Does the DJI O3 look better than all the other systems? Sure - as long as you have enough light (if/until they update that). But if, like me, you’re either going to fly with a GoPro or no action camera anyway (that’s exclusively how I fly. I don’t have any situations personally where I want to fly something smaller but still have high quality footage), I don’t think the O3 system actually brings anything compelling to the table. All of the digital systems (DJI OG, DJI O3, Walksnail, HDZero) give enough resolution/fidelity to see scraggle and small objects from far enough away to react, which was (for me at least) the main downfall of analog - though I do still fly analog quite a bit. Because of that, the added expense of the O3 system just isn’t worth it/I don’t think DJI actually cares about the FPV hobbyists. They seem to only care about the professional market (which makes sense, as I’m sure that’s where they sell the most units). Additionally, I’m not actually convinced that FatShark cares about the wants and needs of the community, as historically they have really only added features to their goggles as a reaction to other players in the market (power buttons/fully powered OLEDs, etc.) HDZero, by contrast has put in an immense amount of effort with their goggles to meet the needs/wants of virtually the entire FPV community that has an interest in their system. Fully integrated HDZero that doesn’t have the 1 frame of additional latency that HDMI does - check. Analog integration with full low-latency de-interlacing for higher quality - check. To knowledge, HDZero is the only digital system that won’t have the additional frame of latency between the receiver and the screens, which is amazingly cool. Additionally, de-interlaced analog is a first as far as I know. Oh, and they have a hardware power switch instead of a software button (also a first, though the significance of that is somewhat debatable). It just seems to me that in terms of video systems right now, HDZero just gets a lot right. I am definitely waiting to see where the Walksnail system goes, but the lack of any video input on the current goggles is just a complete dealbreaker for me.
Considering the image quality is marginally better than the V1. Everything else are negatives for me. It’s bigger and heavier, uses more energy, doesn’t perform good in low light, and it’s reliability needs to be proven. Plus GoPros image quality is better IMO
Damned, I was sure that the image in the top left corner was the 03, because it was the most detailed of the 4! Really impressed by avatar (I'm a dji v1 owner)
A larger sensor doesn't necessary produce better low-light performance... it's more about pixel size. The O3 has a 48 megapixel sensor which means the individual pixels are *very* small and thus receive less light than in larger pixel sensors. This could account for its lower low-light performance when compared to the original.
Some cameras also do “pixel binning” which basically produces a 12MP image and averages the value for each pixel across four pixels, not sure if O3 is doing that
This is hands down the best comparison of all the systems I have seen wow Chris you definitely knocked this one out of the park! Thank you for all you do on our hobby! 🙏🤟👍🔥🔥🔥
Did you or are you thinking of doing any latency tests with the O3 unit running on the v2 googles at 120fps. I'm curious how it would compare to the V1 system at 120fps.
Damn, V1 and HDzero blow the rest out of the water for what I’d like see in my goggles! HDzero seems to have a better grip on dynamic range, details in the shadows and low light! I’ll admit I’m a bit of an HDzero fanboy, but I didn’t expect this! Especially seeing that the image in the goggles is usually a lot better than the DVR! Shame it got blown out by the rest of the pack!
I really understood what you had to say and glad to find your channel from Joshuas review on your bind and fly. So thank you. I’m trying to get into FPV. I only have a tx16s and been practicing on the sim. I think your way of explaining and teaching would be perfect for a beginners guide into FOV components. It can be very demotivating to get into Fpv when building one is so difficult to understand all the parts and comparability. And some people like me want to build not buy a Bind and fly. What makes a good urban drone, a park flyer or a long range drone? What parts go with what? These basic questions are what puts noobs into a purchasing paralysis and sometimes never end up doing more than buying a simulator game. Your style of teaching could help allot of people out and get more into the sport.
Excellent test, thanks!!! Having v2 and Scout HD’s, my thoughts at this time are; 1. DJI - might try out the O3, but seriously concerned about the heat. I’ll give it time and see how that works out. The new goggles,,, not really that interested as I really hate latency. 2. HDZero - it’s ability to manage low light when transitioning from bright is fantastic, and I find shadow detail on par with anything. You loose some quality, but where it truly shines is the very low fixed latency. It’s ability to play nice with others is a plus! Give 😂Carl some time, he’s already working on 1080p. After he’s done with the goggle release he’s going to want to fill his free time!
I started my fpv journey this past autumn, with DJI v2 & Air Units/Vista. It's been a great start, and I am happy I started where I did. But I am now looking at starting an analog build, and HD Zero looks to be the place to begin that next step in my systems set-ups. There is so much competition in the market, right now. I will wait until around early summer of 2023 to see how everyone develops, but HD Zero's open-source attitude is the icing on the cake. Can't wait to see what else comes around the corner, both with manufacture's development, and the open-source community!
This is fantastic analysis. Absolutely eye opening for how good HDZERO works in shadows, low light and low latency, as compared the the other systems. Clear winner for me with my flight style. If you also add how good their new goggles are, this is a no brainer...
Hi Chris, fantastic video! What is the video latency of the O3 used with v2 goggles at 810p/120hz? Also fairly often the sound of your videos is not properly synced, not by much but enough to be annoying
For flying in winter, and with mixed low light and day time, and whoops that can go from low light to bright lit rooms...I am going to HDZero. also for lowest latency, and higher quality Analog at the same time in the new HDZero Goggle...
Great review, you sure you didnt reverse the Walksnail and O3 videos by mistake LOL. The Walksmail daytime video looks awesome! I have watched other reviews and everyone is saying the O3 is the best image they have ever seen? I just picked up a WS system and gotta say I am blown away at how good it is especially in a smaller 1S form factor. I think I am going to sit on the fence for a bit and watch this play out and just enjoy my DJI Vista and WS hardware for now as this race is far from over. One thing I can say is each of the goggle suppliers have absolutely done their homework as they each have something to offer which is great to see as it brings more FPV pilots into the hobby.
After a year of new products and hype it looks like the original DJI system is worth staying with. I would like to try 03 system. The avatar picture looks good during the day even if the shadows are a little dark.
opt for HD zero for light weight & great dynamic range, but mediocre in range / penetration opt for DJI V1 for great range / penetration and have good dynamic range (not the best), but have disadvantage on the weight if you have more budget and don't mind with the underperformed dynamic range, you can opt for DJI 03, it has awesome range and high quality of image
After having flown the O3 for about three weeks now, I'm incredibly shocked I haven't noticed this increased latency. I always thought I was someone who would notice since I can feel the "sluggishness" of Crossfire vs Tracer. There has to be some correlation between seeing things more clearly and the perception of "latency".
I completely agree... the weird part is I can definitely feel 50ms when flying on high quality mode on my v2 goggles with current vista on 50mbps but the 03 felt exactly the same while recording 4k... interesting
I wasn't able to spot the 03...I like both the v1 and Avatar. The v1 seems to do very well in shaded areas but I also like the contrast offered by the Avatar
Media offline? :( (flashing in top right of comparison - It's an error created by davinci resolve if it can't read input video...) - really distracting :(
im glad i watched this, im honestly suprised with the hd zero, i think it looked the best for during the day for shadow detail and night performance romped the others... i might start doing some more research on hd zero
Amazing comparison, thank you! In your blind test my favs where HDZ and the original V1, O3 was my least favorite? That came.... as a surprise to me. Without mounting points I also have doubts it will survive in a freestyle frame doing up to 10G as just it's standard performance... and much more in crashes. I guess I'll grab some HDZ goggles and build a AOS 5.5 HDZ quad next year :3
I have been waiting to see how the competition stacks up before I dive in. That said, I do own the DJI FPV drone and the Avata and have the RC 2 controllers for both drones and V2 goggles so I will most likely move forward with the DJI O3 system as I really like the idea of flying without a go pro or other camera mounted on the drone. And with the new system being compatible with the RC2 controller DJI sold me with this release. I'm also a cruiser and am not concerned with latency so much. Great review. Cheers.
Running with the V2 goggles you can choose 810p at 120 FPS and get the same low latency as the OG DJI Air Unit. The latency is connected to the framerate, so at 100 FPS the Goggles 2 have slightly higher latency by nature. What I don't like on the O3 is the detail in dark areas compared to the OG Air Unit and that recording settings are linked to the settings you fly with. It's quite limiting
I'm down to the V1 and the O3 Air Unit, though I'm leaning more on the O3 as obviously, the image quality has been upgraded by a great deal. And as a new unit, there's more possibility that its capabilities will expand as months go by.
And then after I think everything is clear now, Alex Vanover comes and makes one of the best freestyle proximity fast flying videos ever using the O3 system. And I'm like ok, what do I choose now?
The O3 air unit can also be mounted with long M2 screws with a 25 x 25 mm spacing. DJI designed it so that you can remove the standard screws and mount it this way.
Thanks Chris! Very well put and on point as usual buddy! I'm afraid as compelling as this O3 System is I'll be sticking with my V1's with the WTF Root Hack. As you said it suits my type of flying. Cheers!
Thx Chris. I was hoping the 03 Air Unit would allow me to get rid of my GoPro for Freestyle (very fast, with proximity) flying....Latency numbers not looking good..... I'm happy to see the 03Air Unit, but it appears I'll be sticking with Vista's
I was not able to correctly identify the O3 system I got the V1 and O3 mixed up and if I had to pick what I prefer I would pick the V1. When I go back and watch the video again I can see that the O3 has more detail but feels like its a little out of focus or maybe the V1 is over sharpened. When I look at the building in the distance feels like I can pick out more detail on the V1 and when we add the fact that V1 has better low light and latency it becomes a clear winner for me
@@ChrisRosser Yup that sharpness does give the illusion of more detail, for instance if we look at 8:32 on V1 and WS we can see the details of the fabric of the sofa but its just a blur on the O3. I think if WS could get a better camera and improve there color science they could come out on top as having the best image/latency combo but for now V1 feels like the best option for me.
Honestly the DJIS V1 is by far the clearest and deeper zoom with clarity. It would be nice to be able to fly in a reduced light setting however it is not a game changer.
There is a little error in the latency test .... the first full frame on the DJI V1 120fps is at 24ms not 33ms ... way before the hd zero completes the frame ... is the footage wrong or the graph?
One thing to consider also is the amount of new tech that DJI has developed over the years since they release the DJI V1. I can only imagine the level of innovation that is present in the O3 air unit.
Thank you. I am wondering about the exposure on the 03 though. I think it would be good to compare not only the default settings to each other but the maximum capabilities of the systems. I think it would be vital (for decisionmaking) for me to see if you can tweak the settings to make the transmitted video better. I'd love to see that.
I agree. This needs to be representative of actual use. For the people that care about image quality… they won’t be running defaults. That’s for sure! :p But Mr.Rosser did a very good job otherwise. Let’s hope he or someone else fills in the gaps we have, and we will have a full picture of what’s going on!
@@KonstantinFPV this is what it appears like to me, unfortunately… but I am not sure… setting it up for optimum image quality should make a difference with the amazing (apparently) image sensor the new camera has. I want to see someone actually try different settings and record the process. This would be very revealing of the true capabilities!!! But most are in sales mode right now. Hopefully Mr.Rosser can take us through the process, he is a man of science like myself, so he should do a good job. Edit: Dynamic range is King for me!!! It appears like you hold the same understanding.
Great comparison but the graphs don't seem to match up to the video. The time to first bright pixels seem to match up but the DJI V1 120fps seems to be the first to bright frame at 21 or 22ms since pixel and frame seem to occur at the same time. HDZero has updated scanned through only about 1/2 to 2/3 at that point. Was this just 'lucky' timing for the DJI V1 where the LED happened to turn on right just as the frame was being captured?
dipping my toes in with guarded expectation on a snail vrx on a pair of O4Ls. but I really like the image I saw for Hd0. but I never heard any explanation for the HDZero play back errors. why was it looking so good and cutting out?
After blind test my buy order avatar - HDZero - v1 - o3. Especially after lowlight and latency tests. O3 is like Avata for long-range travel bloggers. But I already ordered avatar, cos it's harder to get HDZero for me. And it shoots 1080 on micro whoops.
I picked the V1 image as best before I seen answer . I fly calm and love just looking at the world so 03 would be what I would get, but I never had digital so I would probably get a HDZ vrx and plant it on my CobraX first.
DJI V1 have more detail and better light management in day and twilight, not sure how someone can see "far away" better image from the DJI2. Better color maybe, the less important to fly. How look in the OLED googled is a different history
People really do.sleep on the dynamic range and over all image of hdzero all because the overall.image quality isn't as high when zoomed in or on a big screen
Hdzero latency numbers are higher here than other videos you have made - any idea why? Also, latency testing on the bench gives best numbers unlike real flight numbers, but this is not mentioned, why not? I agree with your general analysis about who this is for. Thanks for the info
Thanks, Chris. I haven't been able to get clarification on how to force the "low latency" mode on the O3 Air. It's not very clear in the documentation and I suspected that low latency mode wasn't possible in the 4k modes. Thanks for making that clear!
The new goggles 2 and the new air unit v3 all remind me off the first attempt at dji fpv with the dji race goggles ( the very first box goggle white and the gray set they had anologe built in with the gray set ) the latency is from 40 to 50 ml sec. When the first system came out the FPV community said that 40 to 50 ml sec was to much to fly fpv. I fly the goggles v1 and v2 not the box style any more and can't see me going backwards for the new goggles 2.
Hello! very good your tutorial! My question is, using the v2 glasses, is the difference in what is seen in the glasses very noticeable? between old air unit (with dji camera) and o3. Considering old air unit in high quality mode and 50mbps. Regards !
HDZero definitely had more detail in the shadows compared to all the others. The Media Offline flashing made it difficult to make a fair comparison. Both dji systems suffer in the shadows, but the Action 2 does as well, so I’m not surprised. I’ll enjoy flying without the extra weight of a action cam and hence, the added flight time without the extra weight. I look forward to the updated camera mounts of the AOS5 v1 and the 3.5 v2. Great review also.
finally, properly indeepth analysis! I've been scouting interwebs for just this, MEGA THANKS! Question: how 4k-60fps onboard recording affects the preceived latency when you actually fly the drone while recording, is this clearly noticeable to the point that you kinda have to make tough decision - when to record and when to not record and to just enjoy flight?
Depends on your flying style. It is not noticeable for smooth cinematic flight but is noticeable (but not deal-breaking) for faster more agressive flying.
I wish you would make a video showing how you made those LED pegboards for your wall. I’m sure I could make something like it but I think you did an excellent job!
Just out of curiosity Chris, how were you able to run all 4 systems concurrently without interference? My understanding is that the O3 only has 3 channels and they don't even have their spectrum demarcated.
Prefer the WS and DJI V1 most. Best contrast and detail in these images, which does not seem to make sense. I am not concerned about the relative darkness as I am always able to crank that setting up. Excluding night dark low light conditions I don't get others preference for HDZero which appears very fuzzy. Wonder if the lens is focused?
Love the onboard recording quality, wish the live view was a little more balanced. Hoping there will be some camera updates/options in the future, as well as a stripped down, Vista-style option.
I think they did not really nailed what they were after. They focused on Image quality for what? The answer would be to replace additional action cameras, but this is just not good enough, it does not meet production standards and if you are a movie maker, you dont want auto exposure for capture, but you want that to see obstacles. I just can't use it on my beater quad, as I need fast feedback in bandos too. Could be good for live broadcast, but... oh they forgot again to add a HDMI or anything. So who were they listen to? What is the target audience? ...is it like Cyberpunk 2077 so it will be useable a year later?
Great content! I was wondering but now know! Comparing the images, even before knowing what was.what, hdzero had my vote. It might sound odd for most: Very apparent lower pixel resolution but color and contrast was what hit me. I found it much easier and faster for me to identify objects and flight paths and gaps, in daytime first and then more evidently on night time. This video has me all settled on that matter now thanks to you! Very grateful thanks 🙏
6:29 I preferred the DJI V1 (close second with the O3) until the low light tests 9:05, then I preferred the HD Zero 9:27. I like the contrast of the WS Avatar as it looks more filmic or better exposed but also lacks the dynamic range of the others. 8:35 The DJI O3 was really slow at adjusting iso for the switch from dark to bright environment.
Interesting. My first impression was that the V1 had crisper image than O3. But after pausing the video, you can see that the V1 is over sharpened (digitally). The O3 does give more detail. But it's not by much. I don't think you'd notice the difference during flight. HDZero is quite a bit fuzzy in comparison. I feel like you would see that difference in flight. But it definitely has better shadow detail which may be important for close proximity flight.
Thanks for the great content. I’m glad I got an o3 air unit this am before they sold out and that the reviews are good since I bought it before I had a chance to watch any of these reviews lol
Cinematic cruising, ordered one for the quad. Will see if the new googles are worth upgrading in the future with backward compatibility to "freestyle" builds.
I thought the top left was the new DJI O3 system lol. Walksnail is looking pretty good. Still not switching from my V1 vista to the new O3 system. Can you even run a different radio link? Or does it have to be the DJI FPV controller?
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I'm sure this wasn't the intent, but it really made me appreciate how good both the v1 DJI system, and HDZero are for how I fly. Looks like a pretty solid answer I've found myself with.
Honestly, the intent was to have you make up your own mind. So mission accomplished for me.
@@ChrisRosser Tragically, I'm somewhat following my own sunk cost bias in that regard - I think the 03 system's flexibility to handle the whole gamut of non-racing applications really well is practically excellent, and you spelled that out remarkably well. Particularly for the
That’s basically where I’m at too. Does the DJI O3 look better than all the other systems? Sure - as long as you have enough light (if/until they update that). But if, like me, you’re either going to fly with a GoPro or no action camera anyway (that’s exclusively how I fly. I don’t have any situations personally where I want to fly something smaller but still have high quality footage), I don’t think the O3 system actually brings anything compelling to the table. All of the digital systems (DJI OG, DJI O3, Walksnail, HDZero) give enough resolution/fidelity to see scraggle and small objects from far enough away to react, which was (for me at least) the main downfall of analog - though I do still fly analog quite a bit. Because of that, the added expense of the O3 system just isn’t worth it/I don’t think DJI actually cares about the FPV hobbyists. They seem to only care about the professional market (which makes sense, as I’m sure that’s where they sell the most units). Additionally, I’m not actually convinced that FatShark cares about the wants and needs of the community, as historically they have really only added features to their goggles as a reaction to other players in the market (power buttons/fully powered OLEDs, etc.) HDZero, by contrast has put in an immense amount of effort with their goggles to meet the needs/wants of virtually the entire FPV community that has an interest in their system. Fully integrated HDZero that doesn’t have the 1 frame of additional latency that HDMI does - check. Analog integration with full low-latency de-interlacing for higher quality - check. To knowledge, HDZero is the only digital system that won’t have the additional frame of latency between the receiver and the screens, which is amazingly cool. Additionally, de-interlaced analog is a first as far as I know. Oh, and they have a hardware power switch instead of a software button (also a first, though the significance of that is somewhat debatable). It just seems to me that in terms of video systems right now, HDZero just gets a lot right. I am definitely waiting to see where the Walksnail system goes, but the lack of any video input on the current goggles is just a complete dealbreaker for me.
Considering the image quality is marginally better than the V1. Everything else are negatives for me. It’s bigger and heavier, uses more energy, doesn’t perform good in low light, and it’s reliability needs to be proven. Plus GoPros image quality is better IMO
@@cheechfpv It's lighter than the dji v1 by ~10grams. Perks aren't enough to justify upgrading imho
Damned, I was sure that the image in the top left corner was the 03, because it was the most detailed of the 4! Really impressed by avatar (I'm a dji v1 owner)
I actually feel the DJI v1 is the best overall, which is awesome!
A larger sensor doesn't necessary produce better low-light performance... it's more about pixel size. The O3 has a 48 megapixel sensor which means the individual pixels are *very* small and thus receive less light than in larger pixel sensors. This could account for its lower low-light performance when compared to the original.
Some cameras also do “pixel binning” which basically produces a 12MP image and averages the value for each pixel across four pixels, not sure if O3 is doing that
This is hands down the best comparison of all the systems I have seen wow Chris you definitely knocked this one out of the park! Thank you for all you do on our hobby! 🙏🤟👍🔥🔥🔥
Wow, thanks!
Did you or are you thinking of doing any latency tests with the O3 unit running on the v2 googles at 120fps. I'm curious how it would compare to the V1 system at 120fps.
To my suprise i actually thought the DJI V1 looked the best but i preffered the HDzero image for flying just because there was less shadows
Damn, V1 and HDzero blow the rest out of the water for what I’d like see in my goggles! HDzero seems to have a better grip on dynamic range, details in the shadows and low light!
I’ll admit I’m a bit of an HDzero fanboy, but I didn’t expect this! Especially seeing that the image in the goggles is usually a lot better than the DVR!
Shame it got blown out by the rest of the pack!
I really understood what you had to say and glad to find your channel from Joshuas review on your bind and fly. So thank you.
I’m trying to get into FPV. I only have a tx16s and been practicing on the sim. I think your way of explaining and teaching would be perfect for a beginners guide into FOV components. It can be very demotivating to get into Fpv when building one is so difficult to understand all the parts and comparability. And some people like me want to build not buy a Bind and fly. What makes a good urban drone, a park flyer or a long range drone? What parts go with what? These basic questions are what puts noobs into a purchasing paralysis and sometimes never end up doing more than buying a simulator game. Your style of teaching could help allot of people out and get more into the sport.
Thank you for the support! I'll definitely look into producing a beginner series once all this O3 stuff has died down!
The most in-depth analysis among all the o3 reviews! Thank you for your effort! 🤩🤩🤩
Excellent test, thanks!!!
Having v2 and Scout HD’s, my thoughts at this time are;
1. DJI - might try out the O3, but seriously concerned about the heat. I’ll give it time and see how that works out.
The new goggles,,, not really that interested as I really hate latency.
2. HDZero - it’s ability to manage low light when transitioning from bright is fantastic, and I find shadow detail on par with anything.
You loose some quality, but where it truly shines is the very low fixed latency.
It’s ability to play nice with others is a plus!
Give 😂Carl some time, he’s already working on 1080p. After he’s done with the goggle release he’s going to want to fill his free time!
I started my fpv journey this past autumn, with DJI v2 & Air Units/Vista. It's been a great start, and I am happy I started where I did. But I am now looking at starting an analog build, and HD Zero looks to be the place to begin that next step in my systems set-ups. There is so much competition in the market, right now. I will wait until around early summer of 2023 to see how everyone develops, but HD Zero's open-source attitude is the icing on the cake. Can't wait to see what else comes around the corner, both with manufacture's development, and the open-source community!
This is fantastic analysis. Absolutely eye opening for how good HDZERO works in shadows, low light and low latency, as compared the the other systems. Clear winner for me with my flight style. If you also add how good their new goggles are, this is a no brainer...
Very happy I stuck with my gut and ordered HD zero goggles 😊
Hi Chris, fantastic video! What is the video latency of the O3 used with v2 goggles at 810p/120hz? Also fairly often the sound of your videos is not properly synced, not by much but enough to be annoying
why didn't you test O3 on the V2 googles at 120fps? that will give the best latency of the system
wow, for me, O3 unit placed 3rd in your blind test. Avatar>V1>O3>HDZero
Literally two people gave me the info I really needed on this thing.. just Chris and vanover. All the rest seem to be drooling
For flying in winter, and with mixed low light and day time, and whoops that can go from low light to bright lit rooms...I am going to HDZero. also for lowest latency, and higher quality Analog at the same time in the new HDZero Goggle...
Spot-on!
I just ordered an 03 air unit using your link. Looking forward to it and very happy it’s compatible with my goggles!
Great review, you sure you didnt reverse the Walksnail and O3 videos by mistake LOL. The Walksmail daytime video looks awesome! I have watched other reviews and everyone is saying the O3 is the best image they have ever seen? I just picked up a WS system and gotta say I am blown away at how good it is especially in a smaller 1S form factor. I think I am going to sit on the fence for a bit and watch this play out and just enjoy my DJI Vista and WS hardware for now as this race is far from over. One thing I can say is each of the goggle suppliers have absolutely done their homework as they each have something to offer which is great to see as it brings more FPV pilots into the hobby.
Best review for now, thanks. Watched various comparisons and I am not sold, will stick to my V1 for now.
I know this sounds crazy but i think the ws image had more detail from watching on my phone
I like the WS image the best personally for flying. With the exposure turned up a little it has lots of useful detail on highlights and shadows.
After a year of new products and hype it looks like the original DJI system is worth staying with. I would like to try 03 system. The avatar picture looks good during the day even if the shadows are a little dark.
Hahaha, damn Chris, you science'd the hell out of those digital FPV systems. There goes all our subjective bias! 😂
I just bought the AOS v2 5.5, does anyone know if I can order the camera mounts for the 03 v2 and just replace them?
Outstanding in-depth comparison! Thanks for cutting through the hype with real useful data!
The dji v1's performing better no?. Apart from the recording capabilities
that was my thought. If you don't need onboard recording or don't mind running a gopro I don't see why you'd go with the V3
I get confused, can someone explain me what latency it will be on DJI O3 when i will use old V2 googles and record DVR at 2.7k 120FPS ?
opt for HD zero for light weight & great dynamic range, but mediocre in range / penetration
opt for DJI V1 for great range / penetration and have good dynamic range (not the best), but have disadvantage on the weight
if you have more budget and don't mind with the underperformed dynamic range, you can opt for DJI 03, it has awesome range and high quality of image
After having flown the O3 for about three weeks now, I'm incredibly shocked I haven't noticed this increased latency. I always thought I was someone who would notice since I can feel the "sluggishness" of Crossfire vs Tracer.
There has to be some correlation between seeing things more clearly and the perception of "latency".
I completely agree... the weird part is I can definitely feel 50ms when flying on high quality mode on my v2 goggles with current vista on 50mbps but the 03 felt exactly the same while recording 4k... interesting
I wasn't able to spot the 03...I like both the v1 and Avatar. The v1 seems to do very well in shaded areas but I also like the contrast offered by the Avatar
Media offline? :( (flashing in top right of comparison - It's an error created by davinci resolve if it can't read input video...) - really distracting :(
Yeah the HDZero DVR was dropping frames. 🤷♂️
still happy with my v1 after seeing this👌
im glad i watched this, im honestly suprised with the hd zero, i think it looked the best for during the day for shadow detail and night performance romped the others... i might start doing some more research on hd zero
Amazing comparison, thank you! In your blind test my favs where HDZ and the original V1, O3 was my least favorite? That came.... as a surprise to me. Without mounting points I also have doubts it will survive in a freestyle frame doing up to 10G as just it's standard performance... and much more in crashes. I guess I'll grab some HDZ goggles and build a AOS 5.5 HDZ quad next year :3
They are all good that’s the truth no matter what people say I think it’s getting like Ford vs Chevy
@@seanconnolly2179 it will really be latency vs. quality for now. which is cool indeed, cause there is good reason for both
So glad I never upgraded from the v1. The picture is still amazing. Even the vista is amazing picture quality especially at sunset time.
I have been waiting to see how the competition stacks up before I dive in. That said, I do own the DJI FPV drone and the Avata and have the RC 2 controllers for both drones and V2 goggles so I will most likely move forward with the DJI O3 system as I really like the idea of flying without a go pro or other camera mounted on the drone. And with the new system being compatible with the RC2 controller DJI sold me with this release. I'm also a cruiser and am not concerned with latency so much. Great review. Cheers.
Running with the V2 goggles you can choose 810p at 120 FPS and get the same low latency as the OG DJI Air Unit. The latency is connected to the framerate, so at 100 FPS the Goggles 2 have slightly higher latency by nature. What I don't like on the O3 is the detail in dark areas compared to the OG Air Unit and that recording settings are linked to the settings you fly with. It's quite limiting
I'm down to the V1 and the O3 Air Unit, though I'm leaning more on the O3 as obviously, the image quality has been upgraded by a great deal. And as a new unit, there's more possibility that its capabilities will expand as months go by.
Assumptions.
Just bought the Goggles 2 and the air unir o3.... i just couldn´t resist...but i had to sell one of my kidney to buy it...woowwwww sooooo expensive...
And then after I think everything is clear now, Alex Vanover comes and makes one of the best freestyle proximity fast flying videos ever using the O3 system. And I'm like ok, what do I choose now?
The O3 air unit can also be mounted with long M2 screws with a 25 x 25 mm spacing. DJI designed it so that you can remove the standard screws and mount it this way.
Down left was my favorite and I am so happy I have the system. 👀
I'll be interested to see a long distance test. Does anyone know if DJI still has the 13km cutoff on the 03s?
Im pretty sure the cutoff was raised to something like 24-26km
Thanks Chris! Very well put and on point as usual buddy! I'm afraid as compelling as this O3 System is I'll be sticking with my V1's with the WTF Root Hack. As you said it suits my type of flying. Cheers!
Thx Chris. I was hoping the 03 Air Unit would allow me to get rid of my GoPro for Freestyle (very fast, with proximity) flying....Latency numbers not looking good..... I'm happy to see the 03Air Unit, but it appears I'll be sticking with Vista's
you can have 1 gopro for n numbers of drones, with o3 you get 1 o3 per drone. great if you have $$$
I was not able to correctly identify the O3 system I got the V1 and O3 mixed up and if I had to pick what I prefer I would pick the V1. When I go back and watch the video again I can see that the O3 has more detail but feels like its a little out of focus or maybe the V1 is over sharpened. When I look at the building in the distance feels like I can pick out more detail on the V1 and when we add the fact that V1 has better low light and latency it becomes a clear winner for me
V1 is definitely sharper. 'Oversharpened' is down to personal preference I think.
@@ChrisRosser Yup that sharpness does give the illusion of more detail, for instance if we look at 8:32 on V1 and WS we can see the details of the fabric of the sofa but its just a blur on the O3. I think if WS could get a better camera and improve there color science they could come out on top as having the best image/latency combo but for now V1 feels like the best option for me.
To me, it clearly looks like a dirty/smudged lens.
7:47 Now we all know what Chris uses Davinci Resolve 😂😂😂
GREAT test anyway ;-)
By chance will you be selling the front plates as spares to upgrade the 5"AOS v2 frame to work with the O3 cam?
Honestly the DJIS V1 is by far the clearest and deeper zoom with clarity. It would be nice to be able to fly in a reduced light setting however it is not a game changer.
Hi Chris, thank you so much! 13:39 Latency shootout is very useful!
Good analysis Chris!
F in the chat for DJI FPV in general. Cannot select power, cannot select channel. Cannot fly with friends. RIP DJI FPV
There is a little error in the latency test .... the first full frame on the DJI V1 120fps is at 24ms not 33ms ... way before the hd zero completes the frame ... is the footage wrong or the graph?
One thing to consider also is the amount of new tech that DJI has developed over the years since they release the DJI V1. I can only imagine the level of innovation that is present in the O3 air unit.
Yawn...
Thank you. I am wondering about the exposure on the 03 though. I think it would be good to compare not only the default settings to each other but the maximum capabilities of the systems. I think it would be vital (for decisionmaking) for me to see if you can tweak the settings to make the transmitted video better. I'd love to see that.
I agree. This needs to be representative of actual use.
For the people that care about image quality… they won’t be running defaults. That’s for sure! :p
But Mr.Rosser did a very good job otherwise.
Let’s hope he or someone else fills in the gaps we have, and we will have a full picture of what’s going on!
@@lemonsquareFPV I have not seen any good image quality in any o3 reviews. All shots are with bad WDR. Too dark. Raw product.
@@KonstantinFPV this is what it appears like to me, unfortunately… but I am not sure… setting it up for optimum image quality should make a difference with the amazing (apparently) image sensor the new camera has.
I want to see someone actually try different settings and record the process. This would be very revealing of the true capabilities!!! But most are in sales mode right now. Hopefully Mr.Rosser can take us through the process, he is a man of science like myself, so he should do a good job.
Edit: Dynamic range is King for me!!! It appears like you hold the same understanding.
I picked the DJI V1. Very difficult to give a review when TH-cam flattens everything out to 1080 P. You have to trust the reviewer…👍
Great comparison but the graphs don't seem to match up to the video. The time to first bright pixels seem to match up but the DJI V1 120fps seems to be the first to bright frame at 21 or 22ms since pixel and frame seem to occur at the same time. HDZero has updated scanned through only about 1/2 to 2/3 at that point.
Was this just 'lucky' timing for the DJI V1 where the LED happened to turn on right just as the frame was being captured?
What is your prediction regarding latency with avatar vrx which is currently on pre-order?
Could instantly spot avatar and 03. Thought the 03 was top left though
yes! i also thought that top left is o3 😱
@@LittleMissRollerCoaster main thing I took from this .... how good the hdzero is at night
@@mathewclark6971 ikr! hdzero is really focus on making the best fpv experience in terms of latency and vision...
@@LittleMissRollerCoaster well I ordered mine ... super excited for new analog goggles 😆
@@mathewclark6971 haha hdzero goggles?
I could be mistaken but it seems you havent covered Rocksteady. One strong feature of the O3 is stabilization.
dipping my toes in with guarded expectation on a snail vrx on a pair of O4Ls. but I really like the image I saw for Hd0. but I never heard any explanation for the HDZero play back errors. why was it looking so good and cutting out?
After blind test my buy order avatar - HDZero - v1 - o3. Especially after lowlight and latency tests. O3 is like Avata for long-range travel bloggers.
But I already ordered avatar, cos it's harder to get HDZero for me. And it shoots 1080 on micro whoops.
Not to mention the amazing price if you buy the current Avatar VRX pre-sale combo (and have goggles with hdmi in).
@@stratos7755 I have cobra x googles 720p so that vrx would be greate for my needs.
Great review and surprising results from the au3. Thanks for your work!
I picked the V1 image as best before I seen answer . I fly calm and love just looking at the world so 03 would be what I would get, but I never had digital so I would probably get a HDZ vrx and plant it on my CobraX first.
DJI V1 have more detail and better light management in day and twilight, not sure how someone can see "far away" better image from the DJI2. Better color maybe, the less important to fly. How look in the OLED googled is a different history
People really do.sleep on the dynamic range and over all image of hdzero all because the overall.image quality isn't as high when zoomed in or on a big screen
Hdzero latency numbers are higher here than other videos you have made - any idea why? Also, latency testing on the bench gives best numbers unlike real flight numbers, but this is not mentioned, why not? I agree with your general analysis about who this is for. Thanks for the info
Hdzero has some variability in latency due to the screens and camera not being synchronised.
@@ChrisRosser I'm eager to see tighter results when you test HDZero Goggles latency
I didnt find any information on video out yet with the goggles 2 and the o3 unit. does it work like the avata? just a usb c cable?
Thanks, Chris. I haven't been able to get clarification on how to force the "low latency" mode on the O3 Air. It's not very clear in the documentation and I suspected that low latency mode wasn't possible in the 4k modes. Thanks for making that clear!
The goggles 2 on the v1 caddx polar camera is nice at night. Contrast of the oled's help a lot.
Hello, thank you for your work, you have been able to change the signal power with the V2 and air unit O3? for Europe clear.
The new goggles 2 and the new air unit v3 all remind me off the first attempt at dji fpv with the dji race goggles ( the very first box goggle white and the gray set they had anologe built in with the gray set ) the latency is from 40 to 50 ml sec. When the first system came out the FPV community said that 40 to 50 ml sec was to much to fly fpv. I fly the goggles v1 and v2 not the box style any more and can't see me going backwards for the new goggles 2.
Hello! very good your tutorial! My question is, using the v2 glasses, is the difference in what is seen in the glasses very noticeable? between old air unit (with dji camera) and o3.
Considering old air unit in high quality mode and 50mbps.
Regards !
HDZero definitely had more detail in the shadows compared to all the others. The Media Offline flashing made it difficult to make a fair comparison. Both dji systems suffer in the shadows, but the Action 2 does as well, so I’m not surprised. I’ll enjoy flying without the extra weight of a action cam and hence, the added flight time without the extra weight. I look forward to the updated camera mounts of the AOS5 v1 and the 3.5 v2. Great review also.
If you look at the way v1 looked when it first come out till now its night and day. I can not wait to see what dji can do for the 03 in time.
Need to see a penetration test for all the systems! That’s another factor :)
@OnTele-Gram-Chrisrosser I'm sending SPAM
finally, properly indeepth analysis! I've been scouting interwebs for just this, MEGA THANKS! Question: how 4k-60fps onboard recording affects the preceived latency when you actually fly the drone while recording, is this clearly noticeable to the point that you kinda have to make tough decision - when to record and when to not record and to just enjoy flight?
Depends on your flying style. It is not noticeable for smooth cinematic flight but is noticeable (but not deal-breaking) for faster more agressive flying.
19:05 DJI O3 ONLY works with DJI controller 2? Why can't you use different controller? like Radiomaster..
The O3 has 25mm M2 mounting screws - DJI say you remove the bottom M2 screws and use longer ones to mount in the drone
M1.6 screws @ 25.5mm mounting pattern.
@@lemonsquareFPV awesome, always happy to be corrected if wrong. I simply remember JB talking about it so I may have gotten details wrong. 👍
HDZ image best by far, but what was up with all the drop-outs?
Apparently there is an issue with the DVR dropping frames when recording to .mov format.
HDZero cleans house at night
I wish you would make a video showing how you made those LED pegboards for your wall. I’m sure I could make something like it but I think you did an excellent job!
Just out of curiosity Chris, how were you able to run all 4 systems concurrently without interference? My understanding is that the O3 only has 3 channels and they don't even have their spectrum demarcated.
Why thumbs?
Prefer the WS and DJI V1 most. Best contrast and detail in these images, which does not seem to make sense.
I am not concerned about the relative darkness as I am always able to crank that setting up.
Excluding night dark low light conditions I don't get others preference for HDZero which appears very fuzzy. Wonder if the lens is focused?
Love the onboard recording quality, wish the live view was a little more balanced. Hoping there will be some camera updates/options in the future, as well as a stripped down, Vista-style option.
Is it just me or does the V1 in goggles have a better picture? Sharper, better shadows, better low light?
I think they did not really nailed what they were after. They focused on Image quality for what? The answer would be to replace additional action cameras, but this is just not good enough, it does not meet production standards and if you are a movie maker, you dont want auto exposure for capture, but you want that to see obstacles. I just can't use it on my beater quad, as I need fast feedback in bandos too. Could be good for live broadcast, but... oh they forgot again to add a HDMI or anything. So who were they listen to? What is the target audience? ...is it like Cyberpunk 2077 so it will be useable a year later?
You need to update your HDZ firmware as you keep having skipped frames, or switch to .mov
Great content! I was wondering but now know! Comparing the images, even before knowing what was.what, hdzero had my vote. It might sound odd for most: Very apparent lower pixel resolution but color and contrast was what hit me. I found it much easier and faster for me to identify objects and flight paths and gaps, in daytime first and then more evidently on night time. This video has me all settled on that matter now thanks to you! Very grateful thanks 🙏
6:29 I preferred the DJI V1 (close second with the O3) until the low light tests 9:05, then I preferred the HD Zero 9:27. I like the contrast of the WS Avatar as it looks more filmic or better exposed but also lacks the dynamic range of the others. 8:35 The DJI O3 was really slow at adjusting iso for the switch from dark to bright environment.
Interesting. My first impression was that the V1 had crisper image than O3. But after pausing the video, you can see that the V1 is over sharpened (digitally). The O3 does give more detail. But it's not by much. I don't think you'd notice the difference during flight. HDZero is quite a bit fuzzy in comparison. I feel like you would see that difference in flight. But it definitely has better shadow detail which may be important for close proximity flight.
Thanks for the great content. I’m glad I got an o3 air unit this am before they sold out and that the reviews are good since I bought it before I had a chance to watch any of these reviews lol
Cinematic cruising, ordered one for the quad. Will see if the new googles are worth upgrading in the future with backward compatibility to "freestyle" builds.
as someone look to upgrade from to digital, hd0 looks like the best for me, seeing into shadows is what I am looking for
is there a way to use standalone without a fpv drone? Because i need to use it as fpv cam on my M600, how to start to REC? from the goggleS?
Yes you can start recording from the goggles and turn off low power mode.
how about that link for the super tape, thanks
waiting for a link for something suitable to mount the O3 air unit @2:30
were you testing the Dji o3 with the Goggles 2 or Googles v2 when testing latency ? I heared it might be reduced with the new goggles.
it looks like you were using the newest goggles, from the shot at 14:36 just wanted to make sure.
I thought the top left was the new DJI O3 system lol. Walksnail is looking pretty good. Still not switching from my V1 vista to the new O3 system. Can you even run a different radio link? Or does it have to be the DJI FPV controller?