Thank you for sharing this. It's a telling tale about the dark shadows of America. "A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
Of course, the police system in America is for profit. American prisons are filled with people who need medical attention than serving time. And the atmosphere in the prisons also not helping them either. With severe lack of facilities, the released people go out with more mental problems than when they come in. 80% of them are re incarcerated which shows the total failure of the system which goes to show you that they're not the combination of rehabilitation and detainment but punishment and money extraction scheme.
Tetra Hedron sometimes it feels more like revenge than rehabilitation and justice. All prisons should be geared more to educating and helping prisoners mentally, instead of only helping the worst in prison mental institutions. But generally mental health is not given much thought to, especially when their mental health has caused a person to do bad things.
***** of course, there should be "punishment" sometimes. If there isn't, society would collapse. Maybe the commiter will feel justice from his demons, but the victim (s) do not get justice. It's hard to find a balance between the two, but hopefully we may some day...
3:53 - If you can't afford to pay you go to court and setup a payment plan. You don't simply shirk your fines. Yes I've had to do this, yes it sucks, but it was my fault for breaking the law. Not the government's fault for enforcing the laws. Also, warrants are not issued for "unpaid debt", they're issued for "failure to pay". There's a huge different.
This man should come to Brazil and see our jails' conditions... Some of them have 20 people in a 4 people cell. There were many rebellions in jails around the country last year because of this situation...
why it is necasary to have audio/visual surveilance on all officers. while also allowing the public to have open access to information on prisons, their financing, and the visuals/audio. A friend of mine who asked an officer a simple question was detained for impeading enforcment charges. videos were taken of him being abused while getting detained. we then bailed him out, and used the video to get the charges droped(which were signifigant). this leads me to believe surveilance of our security force is necesary.
Its incredible that this guy can hold his composure so well, I mean I guess he's used to it but there's no way I could think about this without getting emotional. This is the kind of thing Amnesty International would get involved with in some military junta, it should not be an issue in the USA.
This is simply Racketeering.The problem is that (like everything else in America) jails are a bussiness. For jails to be profitable there must be criminals. To have criminals there must be crime. And if there is no crime then they must "criminalize" social behaviour... Specially from those who are unneducated and/or cannot afford to defend their rights. Ence, this state of things.
Let's put public cctv in the jails where you can see it online as a way to prevent police brutality. Let's apply transparency in everything we are paying for.
I think you read all the comments of all the people saying don't do the crime if you.... blah blah and you actually got a really good point. do the privileged want to feel privileged? or better yet, do they want to make it public? nooo, that's uncomfortable, cause it's wrong, and they know it. so they have to make excuses where the criminal justice system is working and the victims are no victims. so I think you didn't miss any point
I could be more considerate and mindful, yes, but it won't solve the issue, so why bother. The amount of money you have is the single most important variable in your life. It defines who you are, how long you'll live, where you'll live, how you'll be treated and what opportunities you'll have. It goes well beyond talent, beauty, health... Being poor is extremely dangerous. That's just how life is. Don't be poor, or else you're screwed.
I'm well aware of all the problems of our society and how pervasive our "meritocratic" system is. That's not the issue. I'm pointing out the reality because it seems that people, including the poor, forget that being poor is really, REALLY bad for you. There should be riots on the streets for more economic equality, people should fight as their life depended on it, because it's true.. But all I see is an enfuriating passivity. I won't put sugar on it. I'll put it bluntly. Being poor is bad for you, it's bad for your health, kills you by the minute. It's a crue situation to be in, like a disease. If you're poor, be desperate, because you're pretty much fucked from the beginning.
This is a good talk but I wish he would have shown sources or been able to document the claims with the jails using pictures. Not saying that I don't believe him but it is always a plus to show sources.
This is the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR IMMEDIATE TIME. This is the root of fatherlessness. And as such, the root of the criminal system in and of itself.
So... What is the solution? Is it then proper for those too poor to pay fines are Not required to follow the laws that would put them in jail? Who will follow the parking laws if there is no consequence for violating them? Why would anyone inconvenience themselves if there is not a greater inconvenience for not following laws? I agree it is Very unfair to the poor, but What is the consequence that would be fair And encourage a compliance to the parking laws??
Who can change this? Who can stop it? A tough person wouldn't accept this. Why aren't the blacks in Ferguson fighting? I understand people under 30 not knowing enough, but the old have so much life experience and know they need to fight. How are they being stopped? Why are they procreating?
This is so sad. If I lived in America then I would definitely make some noise about this but people usually only do that when matters affect them. Hopefully Trump will stop this. Nah, he's probably playing with his model of the great wall already
YES! Debtors prison is a MASSIVE PROBLEM. I think it's something MOST all of us can get behind, but sadly this gentleman hasn't gone down the rabbit hole of this extortion Racquet.
We need to reform our correctional facilities, yes, and we should make re-entry into society eaiser for convincted crinimals. But this speakers assertations had little substance other than his argument from his personal experiences.
The United States criminal justice system is very primitive and backward. European social democracies care about their citizens. How does it feel to be a member of a failed plutocratic state?
I'm not discounting this information by saying this, but why is it that we only get this news from some guy talking on TED and not anyone in the media with access to these government buildings/agencies? I also wish he had suggested a way in which to discipline that does not involve the issues he has with jailing the poor. The reality is that we must have a process of discipline for negative actions like failing to pay fines and theft (which he mentioned). He makes it sound like we shouldn't be disciplining the poor but this is not an issue of who is being disciplined but rather how. Both the rich and poor in this case are being disciplined in the same way (being fined), although the poor can't pay so they are jailed. I believe there is something other than jailing that can be done for those who do not pay trivial fines.
The archiTECH Okay, but he's describing legalized extortion. Who do you complain to when the people who protect you are the ones abusing you? The state? The state highers those police officers. The feds? Unlikely considering if you're poor, you haven't been taught that chain of command. I'm affluent and study political science and even I'd struggle in the situation he's describing.
@1:44 of the video the presenter says the police called him nefarious, but the excerpt from the police report says that they were making sure he had not been doing nefarious things. How does ensuring that someone is not doing something, the same as calling them that thing? While the presenter might have a point on debtor's prisons, his opening makes him look extremely disingenuous.
I think it's a fair claim. They might not have said "You look nefarious" directly, but if they stop him saying, because they think he might be up to nefarious activity and they made that decision after taking one look at him. I think it's fair to say that they thought he "looked nefarious".
Except that they released him for not doing anything wrong, and thus proved he was not nefarious. Here's a hypothetical: If police hear a woman screaming and apprehend a hooded man running in the area and detain him on suspicion of assault or some other "nefarious" act, but then later release him because he did nothing, how can you say that they called him an "assaulter"?
You are really knit picking aren't you? If you are stopped and frisked to make sure you aren't up to anything illegal it's easy to assume they stereotyped you as someone who looks like someone who would do something illegal. The stop and frisk law in the US has be proven to be racially discriminatory. Your hypothetical is arguing semantics when it really is the 'intent' behind the words that is being alluded to. In your hypothetical the police would stereotype that hooded man as the possible "assaulter" and would act on that assumption. Does one need to say "Hey You! Possible Assaulter! Stop right there in the name of the LAW"? To express that they were thinking this? Obviously No. Just like you don't need a police man saying "Possible terrorist just exited a police station, reasons for suspicion, of Middle Eastern Complexion and is wearing a backpack. The meat of the entire story is not about racial profiling we have heard about that issue a lot. It's about the states breaking federal law and jailing people for fines essentially blackmailing / extortion / torture / kidnapping and how this dis-proportionally affects poor or under educated (usually go hand in hand) people. In the same vein one can argue that Weed is illegally federally but not at the local state level and people are happy with that. So should state law supersede federal? I think the better answer is which law causes less harm, especially to those who are already very vulnerable? United states land of exploitation. Those who rise to the top use a sea of human slave labour to reach it. There are many great things about America but it's Pay to Play politically / justice system is not one of them. Also releasing him after holding him for 1.5 hours is not justifiable. Holding people for days at a time on bail is extortion. The government is in the business of controlling the public and making money. You don't need to hate "cops" but rather the institutions that breed certain types of cops.
Okay, what if the situation happened to you? You'd be scared and crying like a baby, just as he was, just as I would and anyone else would be. He was racially profiled as middle eastern when he's Indian, and that's clearly obvious he's Indian. It just proves how corrupt, uneducated, and idiotic our police system is. It's exploitation and abuse imo to put this man through that kind of search without any probable reason to search. You guys tend not think it's a problem unless it happens to you
Andrew McGahan absolutely agree plus the money spent on incarceration... that could go to health care, education, to name some that could cure this horrible disease that is the criminal justice system
Begs the question of how else can someone be discouraged from breaking a minor law if they don't have money to pay for a fine. Fines need to be indexed to ones income. Maybe they can do community service for breaking the law.
The consequence of antisocial behavior is segregation from society... in nature as well as the modern world. Hold back the tide at your own will, do not expect others to follow.
He literally explained why innocent people are being hurt by this. Innocent people are charged and jailed pre-trial, they admit to the crime because its the only way they can get out.
While this would be the best solution, it's not as easy as it sounds. I'm absolutely sure you broke the law at one point or another, entirely by accident doing something you weren't aware was illegal, or was legal on your territory but you werent aware that it was illegal in another territory (Since there are no real clear definitions of where a state ends and where another starts in multiple places, you could be doing something that was completely A-OK in your state, crossed te border to another state without noticing, and then boom, fine). Also, the fines themselves are ridiculously high. Driving 5 mph above the speed limit can net you 3 or 4 weeks of your salary in fines, and thats something that can happen entirely by accident since 5mph isnt that big of a speed difference. There is also the point that in many states prisions recibe more money the more people they have jailed, and police reciebe better benefits the more people thjey bring to the jail, so they arrest you for farting in public under the pretence that it disturbes the order, fine you with 500 bucks, and since you can't pay that you're sent to jail. The jail is happy, the police is happy, but you're not.
if you can afford a car with gas... you should be able to afford a parking ticket. if you caint pay the ticket, dont commit the crime... its as simple as that people. my car has been searched by the cops 5 times in the 7 years i have been driving. you just have to deal with it. while it might be annoying that even though you have nothing to hide, the police will call drug dogs to sniff your car... but you have to realize how many nasty people they get off the streets doing that. meth dealers. heroin dealers. most people have no idea the type of people they put away... if i have to be annoyed once every other year or so... so be it. as far as being profiled, that sucks... but its just reality. maybey if other middle eastern countries would stop blowing them selfs up in the name of god and crashed a plane into the trade centers, you wouldnt have been inconvieneced. there is always a differnt perspective and different reasons to everything... dont just assume its racist or biased.
He never said it was racist or biased. H only said was that the poor often end up paying a ghastly price for a small infraction. And the question we have to wrestle with, is simply "Are we prepared to leave things that way?" After weighing everything up, we may well decide that that is simply how justice works. That if you speed one time, you should forever lose your chances at getting out of poverty.
We're talking about the illegal exploitation of fines to jail people, that's a far bigger crime than parking for 5 minutes longer than you were meant to. I'm going to repeat myself, what the police are doing is illegal. And its MORE illegal than people getting tickets. Oh, you think it's worth abusing poor people to put a dozen drug dealers away? Well...you're wrong, I don't know how else to say it.
Stephan Goosen he said that he was sure if he was white, him being stoped by the police would not of happened. that implies this act was made because, as he describes it, he looked middle eastern. as for the other point you made, yes, we should keep it like it is... if you can buy a car, pay for gas, afford insurance, and the sticker to register it, you should be able to afford a parking ticket. if not, dont commit the crime and hope to god it doesnt break down anytime soon if a ticket really shell shocks your bank acount like people make it out to be. have you ever paid for a new altinator? ... anyway, police officers caint see how much you make a year from your license plate, but they can give you a ticket to teach you not to break the law. saying they are extorting you because you are poor is retarded. and stoopid. its stupid and retarded. however, i do think community service should allways be an option of payment for trafic tickets. that would solve the majority of this pretend problem.
well if you can't afford to pay the ticket, you're probably starving to some degree and i'd say that isn't a trivial problem. Also if not paying a ticket leads to me getting raped in jail... yeah i'd be worried about the ticket.
pelle skutt no. just that they shouldn't be in jail? garnish wages.. or something. it's helping no one throwing them in jail. how do you think they will ever pay that debt off if they are in a cell? not to mention the fact that once they get out its that mug harder to find a job.
Debtor's prisons are literally unconstitutional. And as was pointed out, how can they pay when they are locked up? They can't and in fact they are draining the jail's resources which are either paid for or subsidized by the taxpayers. It's a terrible system that not only harms the poor people with fines (unconstitutionally) but also the taxpayers that pay to hole them in a cell.
no...when I think of Ferguson, Mo I think of the LIE that was the narrative of "hands up dont shoot" which you symbolised with your photo.... you lost all credibility with me at that moment.
Thank you for sharing this. It's a telling tale about the dark shadows of America.
"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
Great comment!
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Thanks for allowing commenting on the video.
Salil you are an inspiration thank-you for shining a light on this.
this was a really good talk.
Of course, the police system in America is for profit. American prisons are filled with people who need medical attention than serving time. And the atmosphere in the prisons also not helping them either. With severe lack of facilities, the released people go out with more mental problems than when they come in. 80% of them are re incarcerated which shows the total failure of the system which goes to show you that they're not the combination of rehabilitation and detainment but punishment and money extraction scheme.
Tetra Hedron sometimes it feels more like revenge than rehabilitation and justice. All prisons should be geared more to educating and helping prisoners mentally, instead of only helping the worst in prison mental institutions. But generally mental health is not given much thought to, especially when their mental health has caused a person to do bad things.
***** of course, there should be "punishment" sometimes. If there isn't, society would collapse. Maybe the commiter will feel justice from his demons, but the victim (s) do not get justice. It's hard to find a balance between the two, but hopefully we may some day...
3:53 - If you can't afford to pay you go to court and setup a payment plan. You don't simply shirk your fines. Yes I've had to do this, yes it sucks, but it was my fault for breaking the law. Not the government's fault for enforcing the laws.
Also, warrants are not issued for "unpaid debt", they're issued for "failure to pay". There's a huge different.
i totally agree with you
This man should come to Brazil and see our jails' conditions... Some of them have 20 people in a 4 people cell. There were many rebellions in jails around the country last year because of this situation...
+Luis Vitor Viegas Gonçalves, oh on liveleak.com there are videos of the conditions there lol, talk about on your own situation
To late. We are beyond redemption in our legal system because prison is not about rehabilitation, it about economy.
It's also about conviction ratings for the prosecution.. until people start caring.
why it is necasary to have audio/visual surveilance on all officers. while also allowing the public to have open access to information on prisons, their financing, and the visuals/audio. A friend of mine who asked an officer a simple question was detained for impeading enforcment charges. videos were taken of him being abused while getting detained. we then bailed him out, and used the video to get the charges droped(which were signifigant). this leads me to believe surveilance of our security force is necesary.
Its incredible that this guy can hold his composure so well, I mean I guess he's used to it but there's no way I could think about this without getting emotional. This is the kind of thing Amnesty International would get involved with in some military junta, it should not be an issue in the USA.
magnificient, informative, helpful talk. thank you
Awesome talk!!!!!
I absolutely love this.
This is simply Racketeering.The problem is that (like everything else in America) jails are a bussiness. For jails to be profitable there must be criminals. To have criminals there must be crime. And if there is no crime then they must "criminalize" social behaviour... Specially from those who are unneducated and/or cannot afford to defend their rights. Ence, this state of things.
Ivo Teixeira exactly my thought's
Let's put public cctv in the jails where you can see it online as a way to prevent police brutality. Let's apply transparency in everything we are paying for.
Thank you Salil..... for making the privileged and unempathetic uncomfortable!
Leo Johnson right on!
Leo Johnson unemphatetic wouldnt be efected anway.
Leo Johnson "privileged"
I think you read all the comments of all the people saying don't do the crime if you.... blah blah and you actually got a really good point. do the privileged want to feel privileged? or better yet, do they want to make it public? nooo, that's uncomfortable, cause it's wrong, and they know it. so they have to make excuses where the criminal justice system is working and the victims are no victims. so I think you didn't miss any point
You realize Salil himself admitted he was privileged right? Dumbass liberal.
how is this legal? what kind of country does this to its people? smh
In short: don't be poor.
+David Voigt, Some people aren't born intelligent enough to not be poor like you. You should be more considerate and mindful.
I could be more considerate and mindful, yes, but it won't solve the issue, so why bother. The amount of money you have is the single most important variable in your life. It defines who you are, how long you'll live, where you'll live, how you'll be treated and what opportunities you'll have. It goes well beyond talent, beauty, health... Being poor is extremely dangerous. That's just how life is. Don't be poor, or else you're screwed.
I'm well aware of all the problems of our society and how pervasive our "meritocratic" system is. That's not the issue. I'm pointing out the reality because it seems that people, including the poor, forget that being poor is really, REALLY bad for you. There should be riots on the streets for more economic equality, people should fight as their life depended on it, because it's true.. But all I see is an enfuriating passivity.
I won't put sugar on it. I'll put it bluntly. Being poor is bad for you, it's bad for your health, kills you by the minute. It's a crue situation to be in, like a disease. If you're poor, be desperate, because you're pretty much fucked from the beginning.
Very well said!!
First I think that the jailing situation is horrible, then I remember that I don't live in the US and don't to give a f**k. "In capitalist America..."
wow.thank you.
Thank you for indicating these horrible facts
I know, they should honestly never teach black history again because the slavery thing is currently pointless; Also the jew thing.
the hatred in the comments is simply horrifying!
Disgusting system
This is a good talk but I wish he would have shown sources or been able to document the claims with the jails using pictures. Not saying that I don't believe him but it is always a plus to show sources.
i love it!
I did six months in prison for a crime I didn't commit.😂
Jeremy Callahan emojis are fucking stupid anyways
PaulAlan Cornelius 5 months, then sentenced innocent
PaulAlan Cornelius
are you sure it wasn't due to you using the laughing crying emoji unironically?
I didn't do it either. Lawyer fucked me!
Did you win a prize?
so depressing
This is the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR IMMEDIATE TIME. This is the root of fatherlessness. And as such, the root of the criminal system in and of itself.
Why are the comments disabled on the Ashley Judd talk?
9:14 - Wait, what? What exactly are they extorting? If these people have nothing, there's nothing to extort.
And people call this "the greatest country in the world" 😂
No Subs? No CCs? Till now?
crowdfunding for $500 bail and under? i know it needs at least 250mil to begin making change, but it's something.
+maxerd2, Actually it's $100M because GTA 5 made a huge change and it cost them that much to make the game.
Idk what it has to do with gta5, but it actually cost them $137mil on development and $128mil marketing.
And please note that Ferguson is in St. Louis, MO. So this is a city wide issue
So... What is the solution? Is it then proper for those too poor to pay fines are Not required to follow the laws that would put them in jail?
Who will follow the parking laws if there is no consequence for violating them? Why would anyone inconvenience themselves if there is not a greater inconvenience for not following laws? I agree it is Very unfair to the poor, but What is the consequence that would be fair And encourage a compliance to the parking laws??
Making 7 dollars an hour.. this nymph makes more bucks in 1 day than what I make in my whole 50 hour week😨 where can I find these type of jobs??
This may make me look into jail quality
vices piece on debtors prison is very well done and I recommend it. It's to serve and protect not harass and collect.
Horrifying.
Slavery is alive & well
Who can change this? Who can stop it? A tough person wouldn't accept this. Why aren't the blacks in Ferguson fighting? I understand people under 30 not knowing enough, but the old have so much life experience and know they need to fight. How are they being stopped? Why are they procreating?
Our system is broken.
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He forgot to mention we are the most incarcerated country in the world. Mostly because of the drug war.
Yep if more people would go thro the system theyd see what others go thro when approached by a cop or arrested......
Look to other countries for ideas
Yikes. I had no idea.
This is so sad. If I lived in America then I would definitely make some noise about this but people usually only do that when matters affect them. Hopefully Trump will stop this.
Nah, he's probably playing with his model of the great wall already
living in America
Come to Kenya bruh. They dont even give prisoners beds and blankets. They let you lie on pieces of sponge on the ground.
YES! Debtors prison is a MASSIVE PROBLEM. I think it's something MOST all of us can get behind, but sadly this gentleman hasn't gone down the rabbit hole of this extortion Racquet.
Make every Police station half non white.
Pass laws to hold peace officers more accountable to prevent horrors like these.
We need to reform our correctional facilities, yes, and we should make re-entry into society eaiser for convincted crinimals. But this speakers assertations had little substance other than his argument from his personal experiences.
The intrinsic bias of the US police forces is so well-documented by this point, its common knowledge.
The United States criminal justice system is very primitive and backward. European social democracies care about their citizens. How does it feel to be a member of a failed plutocratic state?
Early Thinker!
I'm not discounting this information by saying this, but why is it that we only get this news from some guy talking on TED and not anyone in the media with access to these government buildings/agencies? I also wish he had suggested a way in which to discipline that does not involve the issues he has with jailing the poor. The reality is that we must have a process of discipline for negative actions like failing to pay fines and theft (which he mentioned). He makes it sound like we shouldn't be disciplining the poor but this is not an issue of who is being disciplined but rather how. Both the rich and poor in this case are being disciplined in the same way (being fined), although the poor can't pay so they are jailed. I believe there is something other than jailing that can be done for those who do not pay trivial fines.
The archiTECH Okay, but he's describing legalized extortion. Who do you complain to when the people who protect you are the ones abusing you? The state? The state highers those police officers. The feds? Unlikely considering if you're poor, you haven't been taught that chain of command. I'm affluent and study political science and even I'd struggle in the situation he's describing.
我希望看這個英文能增進....但好像事與願違 ._.
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MURICA!
@1:44 of the video the presenter says the police called him nefarious, but the excerpt from the police report says that they were making sure he had not been doing nefarious things. How does ensuring that someone is not doing something, the same as calling them that thing? While the presenter might have a point on debtor's prisons, his opening makes him look extremely disingenuous.
I think it's a fair claim. They might not have said "You look nefarious" directly, but if they stop him saying, because they think he might be up to nefarious activity and they made that decision after taking one look at him. I think it's fair to say that they thought he "looked nefarious".
Except that they released him for not doing anything wrong, and thus proved he was not nefarious.
Here's a hypothetical: If police hear a woman screaming and apprehend a hooded man running in the area and detain him on suspicion of assault or some other "nefarious" act, but then later release him because he did nothing, how can you say that they called him an "assaulter"?
You are really knit picking aren't you? If you are stopped and frisked to make sure you aren't up to anything illegal it's easy to assume they stereotyped you as someone who looks like someone who would do something illegal. The stop and frisk law in the US has be proven to be racially discriminatory. Your hypothetical is arguing semantics when it really is the 'intent' behind the words that is being alluded to. In your hypothetical the police would stereotype that hooded man as the possible "assaulter" and would act on that assumption. Does one need to say "Hey You! Possible Assaulter! Stop right there in the name of the LAW"? To express that they were thinking this? Obviously No. Just like you don't need a police man saying "Possible terrorist just exited a police station, reasons for suspicion, of Middle Eastern Complexion and is wearing a backpack.
The meat of the entire story is not about racial profiling we have heard about that issue a lot. It's about the states breaking federal law and jailing people for fines essentially blackmailing / extortion / torture / kidnapping and how this dis-proportionally affects poor or under educated (usually go hand in hand) people. In the same vein one can argue that Weed is illegally federally but not at the local state level and people are happy with that. So should state law supersede federal? I think the better answer is which law causes less harm, especially to those who are already very vulnerable?
United states land of exploitation. Those who rise to the top use a sea of human slave labour to reach it. There are many great things about America but it's Pay to Play politically / justice system is not one of them.
Also releasing him after holding him for 1.5 hours is not justifiable. Holding people for days at a time on bail is extortion. The government is in the business of controlling the public and making money. You don't need to hate "cops" but rather the institutions that breed certain types of cops.
Okay, what if the situation happened to you? You'd be scared and crying like a baby, just as he was, just as I would and anyone else would be. He was racially profiled as middle eastern when he's Indian, and that's clearly obvious he's Indian. It just proves how corrupt, uneducated, and idiotic our police system is. It's exploitation and abuse imo to put this man through that kind of search without any probable reason to search. You guys tend not think it's a problem unless it happens to you
Andrew McGahan absolutely agree plus the money spent on incarceration... that could go to health care, education, to name some that could cure this horrible disease that is the criminal justice system
Begs the question of how else can someone be discouraged from breaking a minor law if they don't have money to pay for a fine. Fines need to be indexed to ones income. Maybe they can do community service for breaking the law.
The consequence of antisocial behavior is segregation from society... in nature as well as the modern world. Hold back the tide at your own will, do not expect others to follow.
Seems that has become 100% political and are not even pretending anymore.
Rikortez everything seems political nowadays....
"Woah, the POLICE are breaking the law? That sounds political, I better complain"
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Don't commit crimes. Is it so hard?
Why would you break the law if you couldn't afford the fines?
Wouldn't it be smart to do your absolute best to never break the law?
Yeah, speak for yourself. I don't break any laws.
CapTrainT you ever cross a street on a section of road without a crosswalk? or cross before the cross walk signage gives the OK?
He literally explained why innocent people are being hurt by this. Innocent people are charged and jailed pre-trial, they admit to the crime because its the only way they can get out.
While this would be the best solution, it's not as easy as it sounds. I'm absolutely sure you broke the law at one point or another, entirely by accident doing something you weren't aware was illegal, or was legal on your territory but you werent aware that it was illegal in another territory (Since there are no real clear definitions of where a state ends and where another starts in multiple places, you could be doing something that was completely A-OK in your state, crossed te border to another state without noticing, and then boom, fine). Also, the fines themselves are ridiculously high. Driving 5 mph above the speed limit can net you 3 or 4 weeks of your salary in fines, and thats something that can happen entirely by accident since 5mph isnt that big of a speed difference.
There is also the point that in many states prisions recibe more money the more people they have jailed, and police reciebe better benefits the more people thjey bring to the jail, so they arrest you for farting in public under the pretence that it disturbes the order, fine you with 500 bucks, and since you can't pay that you're sent to jail. The jail is happy, the police is happy, but you're not.
CapTrainT if they were smart they could make the money to pay the fines
wtf usa?
if you can afford a car with gas... you should be able to afford a parking ticket. if you caint pay the ticket, dont commit the crime... its as simple as that people. my car has been searched by the cops 5 times in the 7 years i have been driving. you just have to deal with it. while it might be annoying that even though you have nothing to hide, the police will call drug dogs to sniff your car... but you have to realize how many nasty people they get off the streets doing that. meth dealers. heroin dealers. most people have no idea the type of people they put away... if i have to be annoyed once every other year or so... so be it. as far as being profiled, that sucks... but its just reality. maybey if other middle eastern countries would stop blowing them selfs up in the name of god and crashed a plane into the trade centers, you wouldnt have been inconvieneced. there is always a differnt perspective and different reasons to everything... dont just assume its racist or biased.
He never said it was racist or biased. H only said was that the poor often end up paying a ghastly price for a small infraction. And the question we have to wrestle with, is simply "Are we prepared to leave things that way?" After weighing everything up, we may well decide that that is simply how justice works. That if you speed one time, you should forever lose your chances at getting out of poverty.
Eveolution I do agree you should keep in mind if you could afford potential fines in the future before you get a car.
We're talking about the illegal exploitation of fines to jail people, that's a far bigger crime than parking for 5 minutes longer than you were meant to.
I'm going to repeat myself, what the police are doing is illegal. And its MORE illegal than people getting tickets.
Oh, you think it's worth abusing poor people to put a dozen drug dealers away? Well...you're wrong, I don't know how else to say it.
Stephan Goosen he said that he was sure if he was white, him being stoped by the police would not of happened. that implies this act was made because, as he describes it, he looked middle eastern.
as for the other point you made, yes, we should keep it like it is... if you can buy a car, pay for gas, afford insurance, and the sticker to register it, you should be able to afford a parking ticket. if not, dont commit the crime and hope to god it doesnt break down anytime soon if a ticket really shell shocks your bank acount like people make it out to be. have you ever paid for a new altinator? ... anyway, police officers caint see how much you make a year from your license plate, but they can give you a ticket to teach you not to break the law. saying they are extorting you because you are poor is retarded. and stoopid. its stupid and retarded.
however, i do think community service should allways be an option of payment for trafic tickets. that would solve the majority of this pretend problem.
Eveolution it's not illegal if no one's around, and nobody WILL notice if there's no one TO notice
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oh wah... i have to pay a ticket.... there are starving children in the world and your worried about a parking ticket.. self pity
well if you can't afford to pay the ticket, you're probably starving to some degree and i'd say that isn't a trivial problem. Also if not paying a ticket leads to me getting raped in jail... yeah i'd be worried about the ticket.
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so in conclusion, poor people shouldnt pay have to pay for tickets after they commit "small crimes"...
pelle skutt no. just that they shouldn't be in jail? garnish wages.. or something. it's helping no one throwing them in jail. how do you think they will ever pay that debt off if they are in a cell? not to mention the fact that once they get out its that mug harder to find a job.
pelle skutt it's illegal to lock up people for petty non violent crimes, at least it use to be... Not to mention immoral
There is such a thing as "means testing", I think Finland does it for tickets. Basically the amount you pay is proportional to your wage.
Debtor's prisons are literally unconstitutional. And as was pointed out, how can they pay when they are locked up? They can't and in fact they are draining the jail's resources which are either paid for or subsidized by the taxpayers. It's a terrible system that not only harms the poor people with fines (unconstitutionally) but also the taxpayers that pay to hole them in a cell.
no...when I think of Ferguson, Mo I think of the LIE that was the narrative of "hands up dont shoot" which you symbolised with your photo.... you lost all credibility with me at that moment.