Germany: Low Crime, Clean Prisons, Lessons for America | Jeff Rosen | TEDxMountainViewHighSchool
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- Germany has a much lower crime rate and fewer people in prison than the United States. How does Germany do that? Is it because their prisons are different than ours? Is there anything we could learn from them? Find out.
District Attorney Rosen is an experienced prosecutor and a recognized leader in criminal justice reform. His mission for the Santa Clara County District Attorney's Office is to vigorously pursue justice in a way that is fair and treats everyone with respect. His core values are service, hard work, transparency and integrity.
Since arriving in the Bay Area, Mr. Rosen has been active in the community. He served as president of a large synagogue, taught trial advocacy at Santa Clara University Law School and trained police officers in report-writing.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
Im just here to push my german ego
same I think wee need some pride about our country lol
MAKE GERMANY GREAT AGAIN
@@lissandraotp7219 Again?😂
It’s time to like ourselves again.
😂
50000 dollars per year for college?
In Germany i pay 360€ per year
Wo gehst du auf die schule? Bildung ist ein Grundrecht und Schule umsonst
@@paulschminke5979 ich rede von universitäten und da gibts gebühren
@@karltherock8372 kk
thefire7 * 50.000
@@3x364 Dann gehst du wohl auf keine normale Uni^^
I live in the Netherlands, close to German border as an Asian woman. The Dutch travel to German to buy gasoline, groceries or even to medical specialists as the waiting list in the Netherlands is too long. I was afraid when I visited Germany for the first time, merely because of the history I’ve heard. I can now tell you, I’ve been treated better in Germany than in Netherlands. No judgement look or rude behaviour. I feel safe to visit the country without my Dutch husband to see my doctor or even just to buy Christmas presents.
There is one aspect I was missing here - and that's the economics of prisons. My understanding is that prisions on the US are privately operated, at least in parts, so there is a bit of a perverse incentive to put and keep people in prision. In Germany, prisions are state-owned and are not meant to generate revenue...
Only 8% of U.S. prisons are privately operated.
Oh it's worse then that even. My brother-in-law is a prison guard in California. His union lobbies for harsher penelties. I don't understand this system of legal bribery, excuse me lobbying😠
There are Federal prisons in the US. There are private prisons in the US and there are public prisons. Public prisons are owned and operated by a state or the federal government.
In American prisons and jails, the toughest prisoners or gangs run the prisons. The guards are there to contain the prisoners. Most rehabilitation is done by private individuals and nonprofit groups like Alternative to Violence Project of the Quakers.
Jungs seid ehrlich ihr wollt euch auch alle nur bisschen krass fühlen
Hero Jack true
Du hast ja Recht.....
Hero Jack true😂
Wieso sollte man sich krass fühlen? Sehe keinen Grund, Deutschland wird hier nur mit den USA verglichen. 🤔
@@matthiasdecleva564 Du meinst die Messlatte liegt nicht hoch? 😂
I'mma just share this with you people, I'm from eastern europe, In a relationship with a german woman. On my first trip there, I got kind of lost looking for her place. A policeman noticed me passing by his car for the 10th time, pulled me over, and because the adress was close to where he was parked the dude sat me inside, and droped me off where I needed to go. I was speachless...
Wow that's cool. Never heard something like this happening here in Frankfurt. Maybe because the police has more to do here I don't know. Still nice story
That's the main difference between USA and Germany. Cops in the States want to be authoritarian and be treated respectfully in kind of “Yeah, I am the law“, most of german Cops just do their jobs und help other people and that doesn't mean they do not pay attention to potentially crimes. Therefore, it's sad to see, many US Cops are corrupt, as well as some parts of justice...such a shame.
@@destryo3287 Happens here in kiel too
yeah, the german police are real homies
@@jonas162 cant relate at all ^^
My Parents are kurdish from Turkey. I was born and raised in Germany. The German society in comparison to others is that everbody got rights but also obligations that everybody should stick to them. That is the reason why Germany comes out of almost all crises safely. It's really very exemplary
It is a relatively young country, however. Germany didn't exist as a country until the late 1800s and the current Germany is only about 70 years old. 70 years isn't that long of a track record.
What first world country hasn't made it through their crises safely in the last 70 years?
@@davidroberson1962 Well, in the past there were principalities, counties, kingdoms under an emperor (very US-like, if I think about it). European at that time, see Italy. But one should not compare states, countries, peoples and nations today and then 1:1.
@@davidroberson1962 Germany is way older my friend. 70 years would be from 1953 to 2023. That means you started counting the years after the world war 2? The country or Germany itself is way older, at least 1200 or so years old while the USA is round about 240 years old and its starting point was at higher technological standpoint considering people came from all over the world to start a new life. I would even dare say that the USA is the youngest country in the world or at least i have not heard the founding of a new country. You have to google yourself if you want to know it exactly tho. The USA and Germany have the potential to be even better and hopefully will be. Cheers Mate, have a nice day.
@@flupser6691 Germany became a country in 1871. It was just a part of the Holy Roman Empire before that. "70 years or so". 1949 is when the government began and even then Germany was only half a country until the Berlin wall fell. It wasn't it's own country any more any conquered nation was. Germany, as you know it today, is only 33 years old.
America is the oldest Democracy in the world at 240 years old. None of the major European powers have had a continuous existence.
Note that you said America is only that old. Yet, the country was here and populated by the same people previous to that time. You can't go by how long the land has been there otherwise all lands are the same age more or less.
Why not say America is 600, 1000, 50,000, or however many years old? America, as we know it, has been around since the 1780s more or less.
The German empire ended in 1918. Germany became a different country and that in turn failed after it lost WW2 and the country was dissolved and split up.
If you look at a map of 800, 1000, 1200, 1400, 1600, and 1800 AD then you will see Germany never existed until the last 1800s.
Once again, not only is America not even remotely the newest country, it is one of the oldest continuous western ones.
@@davidroberson1962 The concept of nation in the Middle Ages is different from that of today.
"It was just a part of the Holy Roman Empire" is not "true" and expresses a lot of "not-knowing". Your called "Holy Roman Empire" is correctly the "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation" (962-1806).
In the Middle Ages, the concept of nation was defined by religion, at that time the Catholic and therefore the reference to Rome.
A country is defined by language and culture. The founding of the Reich in 1871 was a "formal" fulfillment of the new concept of nation (, imitating the nonsense of all other nations.)
Nota Bene: Incidentally, I also think it is too clumsy to see the USA as the oldest democracy.
This was so informative & interesting. We Americans need to admit & accept when we could help ourselves, as a whole, by learning from other countries.
What works for one country doesn't always work for another. Don't believe the hype Germany's crime rate has gone way up in the last 25yrs thanks to open borders
Not Germany. Germany doesn't get to smugly compare itself to anybody.
@@leojanuszewski1019 What‘s the problem with Germany?
in germany are right now less neonazis than in the usa
@Google Inc. percentage
Oh really? Funny. Every major political party has "FIGHT THE RIGHT WINGERS!" on their official agenda. Who Are they fighting, if there's less neo Nazis??
I wonder...
@@koppsr They are fighting the right wingers as you said. Nothing to wonder about.
@@magoth23 plus if you hear the media here, neo Nazis are Everywhere, millions of euros get sunk into the fight against right, which as I said, is just another name for neo Nazis here.
@@koppsr When the old fucks die off there will hopefully be less. Gladly the right isnt really putting up much of a fight.
I am living in Hamburg (germany) and we once played against a prison team, because that's a part of rehabilitation and also a reward for good behaving inmates. It was like the most normal football match I ever played.
Eigentlich ja auch eine coole aktion :)
@@Cedric2604 Ja, hat auch Spaß gemacht. Die Gefangenen waren sehr entspannt und freundlich (klar mussten sie auch), aber das ist auch ne riesen Chance für die mal 2 Stunden einfach nur abzuschalten und Sport zu machen mit völlig fremden. Ich fand das war ne klasse Aktion.
@@DirkVos1977 Ja genau, so ist es bei uns auch.
I read hamburg, I upvote
Wo wohnst du
Very interesting and very moving talk. I am German, born 1963. As in every country there is good and bad and there are good and bad people. Culture is just a small layer on top of the wild animal that we are. Unfortunately, the Nazis managed to destroy that layer. Not all joined the Nazis but too many.
I am norwegian born in 1966, as far as the events before and under ww2 most people simplify the complex situation Europe had to deal with. It was Goering that when asked how the nazis got Germans to “obey orders” he answered it was simple, just put enough fear into people and the would do anything you ask. And the fear was from the east, the Soviet communists were planning to invade the rest of Europe spreading the communist ideology to the rest of the world starting with Poland/Germany and then just continue. Anyway it was the fear of communists that was the number one reason for so called right wing movements not only in Germany but the rest of European countries too, I feel that this angle to explain what happened for some reason was suppressed not only after the war but still is.
@@truxton1000 what i find strange is the similarity between the last 2 years and what happened then i noticed alot of people going along with the government and i thought to myself nothing has changed in all these years its part of human nature to fit in with whatever mass narrative is pushed
@@truxton1000 You are right with this, Mr.
@@hex374 Exactly this.
nice energy policy, Gerdes. Thanks for getting the world into the brink of yet another world war.
Europe's arrogance and stupidity is just so frustrating for Americans who understand that national security is job 1
Wow! Thank you for this beautiful lesson in human dignity ! I learned so many lessons today from your talk. God bless you for sharing such wonderful lessons on respecting human dignity. ❤❤❤
If you treat people like animal, they behave like animals
@Juden Arier The question should always be: Why is acting someone like an animal, and how do we make him/her human again?
And that is the huge difference between the US and here. Offenders are not treated like monsters when they get incarcerated or back out, to prevent them falling back into old schemata that got them into prison in the first place.
That's why the US has a 50% higher relapse quotia then Germany. And boy, those 50% would mean you'd have only ~470/100.000 in prison and save 1/3 of the money you spend on that rotten draconian system.
"If you treat people like animal, they behave like animals"
*Give a Leftist a bone and he will obey you for a lifetime.*
Yathii i hate that comparison.
@Juden Arier That's lame.
If you take their hope, they have nothing more left...
Video: contains the word “German”
Germans: Die Kommentare gehören uns
These days we invade Commentary Sections!
Der totale Krieg ist noch nicht zu Ende!
packt mal englisch einer die deutsche Wurst raus
Stand you not so on. @pearls shell: Correct.
Lass uns einfach sagen: hippidie hoppidie this comment section is now our property!😅😂
That was very moving. I’m going to tell my children this when they are old enough to understand.
I moved to Germany from India couple of years ago. It was the best decision of my life.
Paragraph 1 of the German constitution actually says:
"Human dignity *is* inviolable"
Wow! In most countries its more like "Human dignity?? What's that, anyway??"
In the United States, if you're a shitbag who violates someone else's human dignity, you go to prison. Don't be a shitbag, and you won't go to prison. It's not rocket science.
@@jesmcalli AH yes the old, "if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear" strawman, which history both modern and ancient show is utter rubbish but people keep on saying it and believing it. I was wondering how long I'd have to scroll before I saw someone parrot it.
@@capuchinseven Yeah no, that's not remotely the argument. Nice try though. Because a tiny minority of people may be innocent of the crime they're in prison for ( but, likely guilty of other crimes), everyone should be let off the hook? Please.
@@jesmcalli…… And if the biggest violators of human dignity has been the Government ???.….. You see those over simplistic explanations keep coming don't they?
50,000$ for college? Wtf? What is wrong with you America?
A product of liberalism and corporatism.
They have to finance some stuff individually other countries tax-fund but have to pay less taxes in return.
The real problem is that student loans and financing student debt became a billion dollar business in the U.S.. Many companies are trying to make a buck with desperate students or graduates.
Da ist mir die Studiengebühr lieber ;)
$50,000 per year in the USA is only at Ivy league colleges like Harvard, Yale, and Stanford. At other Universities that are still very good, tuition can be as low as $3000 or $5000 per year.
When you compare comparable Universities around the world, you find out that they cost more or less about the same.
The difference is that in Europe, everyone pays for college via taxation for their entire lives even if they don't ever go. In the USA, you pay for the college you go to.
Karozans 3000 to 5000 still is way more than it is in Germany. Its around 600 per year hear
@@lm10n1 It is only 600 per year if you do not include the taxes that you pay from cradle to grave for education.
A most beautiful speech by him, quote the ending concluding about his German prisons investigation "...is that the world might be broken; but it can be repaired."
Most Americans can never accept that other countries do things better than they do.
Der Moment wenn das Gefängnis besser aussieht als meine Schule...
XD
Same
@Phelan Daher wäre ich auch für Sozialarbeitsstunden für Kaugummi spucken, Müll fallen lassen etc. statt Bußgeldern
@Phelan Natürlich sollte das selbstverständlich sein, allerdings ist die Frage ob eine solche Bestrafung nicht lehrreicher als eine einfache Geldstrafe ist?
@Phelan Eine gute Frage, es war erstmal ein Vorschlag, ich glaube bei denen die rehabilitiert werden können würde diese Form der Bestrafung wirken, auch verbunden mit Lob. Ich rede ja auch nicht von vielen Stunden, wenn man für eine solche Tat zwei Stunden Müll wegräumen ansetzt wäre vielen schon geholfen.
I am an englishman who has been living in Germany for almost 23 years. I am blessed with wonderful friends here.
perromanchado Schön, dass Du da bist.
R Nies Actually I have known several. Lovely, lovely people. 😊
@R Nies While I don't live there, I visited Britain several times and always found the people I met to be extremely nice. I can't make any general statement, but I'm very sure that you can live a great life as a native german in Britain.
@@prepperjonpnw6482 Its interesting that so many Americans think muslims are invading and destroying Europe just because they saw dubious news reports🤔
I am British but would respectfully NEVER go to Germany for one day let alone 23 years!
Amazing information, good learning source for everyone dreaming for changes at all levels to make things better and eliminate profits for “services not rendered”. Love his enthusiasm and believes that we have all being created with human dignity.
My son has 20 yrs in an Alabama state prison 22 yrs in federal prison after that "without the sanctity of parole "is what Al attorney general Jay Town said . Thay gave a kidnapping baby beating murderer less time than my son who is an addict and never hurt anyone but himself. My child, my first born son. It doesn't have to be this way.
So sorry for what you and your son are going through. Hope the system changes during his time and you can reunite
I´m so sorry.
From Germany 🙋♂
German here, I am so sorry this is happening to you. Wishing you all the best
As a German I found this talk very informative. Thank you!
I absousutly witness your Statement.
Immer diese Idioten, die zum Spaß andere Leute grundlos beleidigen...
Ich glaube Du hast nichts anderes als auf TH-cam Leute anzumucken.
Immer mit der Ruhe bitte, Dir hat niemand was getan. Es ist keine Schande stolz auf sein Land zu sein. Du bist sicher auch stolz auf Deutschland, oder etwa nicht?
Es ist schön zu lesen, das ein angeblich intellektueller Mensch, solche Sätze schreibt.
Vielleicht würd man Ihre Kommentare auch ernst nehmen, wenn Sie sich etwas intelligenter und mit beweisen ausdrücken würden.
Ja ich bin Stolz, dass ich aus Deutschland zu kommen und bin Stolz hier geboren zu sein.
Nur habe ich in Kanada gearbeitet und für die US-Streitkräfte. Von daher kommt meine Aussage nicht von irgendwo her.
Im übrigen danke, dass Sie zeigen, das es in Deutschland auch weniger intellektuelle Menschen gibt.
Ich verstehe gerade nicht, um was es hier geht.
Und nein, ich bin nicht stolz auf Deutschland. Ich bin froh hier zu leben und mir gefällt Deutschland, die Offenheit der Mehrheit, geringe Kriminalität u.s.w. Aber stolz bin ich nur auf meine eigenen Leistungen.
German prisons are surprisingly clean places? In my experience, anywhere a German lives for more than ten minutes becomes a very clean place.
Then you haven't seen my room...
Kettenotter Hahahahahhaha
Never been to Berlin, have you?
Couple of years ago, when I was on a businesstravel to Austin, I was invited to one of your hosts families over thanksgiving. It was a lovely and wonderful experience and after we finished, I started to help collecting and washing the dishes and they were surprised and told me, that this is so German :D But that's how I learned it. No matter where you are, work together, support and help to finish things faster... so yeah, I clean up whereever I stay ;)
Oh Yeah yeah Nahui
Mr. Rosen is a fabulous speaker...hopefully, everyone listened....
Amazing story/documentary. Thank you for this, and I ask the question as (I'm sure many more people will), "Why don't we do the same?" I hope whomever watches this video will send it around the world.
The difference between locking them away and rehabilitating them.
Americans don't wish to learn. And they simply cannot get their head around that some countries are doing better than they are.
Brit here, been to Germany twice, staying within a city. Incredible place, and the people were chill and kind. Respect to them
Thanks. British people are very chill and funny :)
And I learned to ask the room if it is ok to open / close the window. Apparently we Germans just open / close it without asking : /
Sadly you left “us”... hope you stay safe during Corona!
FF , Always refreshing to hear this coming from a Brit. All too often Germans have to hear from fine folks like bulletsholes
below. They manage to appear everywhere.
@bulletsholes Your type needs to get some new material - or is that too much for you to handle?
I'm British also, Germany is a good sensibly organised country.
you do know that germany 2019 has 0 to do with germany 1945
Thank you.
No, it's still Germany so 1
Forgive but not forget
Deutschland wird wieder mehr rechtsextremistisch, da die Zeitzeugen auch abdanken. Schau einfach mal an wie viele die afd wählen. Schande
@Ataakaari also in dem Deutschland, in dem ich wohne, sitzt die AfD als drittstärkste Kraft im Bundestag. Das schafft man nicht mit ein paar Ländern im Osten...
Ist aber nicht so als wären alle AfD Wähler Rechtsextremisten.
Ich würde AfD Wähler in 4 Gruppen aufteilen:
1. Leute die extrem reich sind und vom Steuerprogramm der AfD sehr stark profitieren. (sind aber nicht viele)
2. Leute, die tatsächlich rechtsextrem eingestellt sind (auch nicht so viele)
3. Leute, die entweder auf die Propaganda der AfD reinfallen oder vom nahen Umfeld dazu beeinflusst wurden die AfD zu wählen, da sie nicht politisch engagiert genug oder intelligent genug sind, um deren Aussagen zu hinterfragen. (viele)
4. Protestwähler (auch relativ viele)
This is a very precious speach. Maybe I can find peace now. Thank you
As a battle-hardened, not yet 20 year-old, field promoted U. S. Army sergeant, my dad was one of the liberators of Bergen Belsen. He would be appalled by the conditions of Texas prisons.
We don't formulate article 1 with "shall be". We formulate it with "is", probably to emphasize for how essential we hold it
The official translation by the government says 'shall be'. To quote
"Article 1 [Human dignity]
(1) Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority.
(2) The German people therefore acknowledge inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every community, of peace and of justice in the world.
(3) The following basic rights shall bind the legislature, the executive, and the judiciary as directly applicable law."
@@anna-flora999 yes but thats a wrong translation. It says "is"
@johannes Schenker , you afe right about the official translation.
It's more of a context translation error.
First: The german text says "ist" wich translates into the english "is".
Second: In germany it is NOT a princible, like you shall not kill.
. or you shall honor mother and father. It is not understood a
. princible. It is understood as a concept.
Third: It is an unmovable concept,wich is an important tool for germans to come to terms with their past history. That is the reason why the only translation can be :"Human Dignity is iviolable".
From the german point of view of course.
@@veranicus6696 als deutscher verstehe ich die deutsche Sichtweise durchaus.
🙂
Hey Canada. we really should have coffee together some day,
- Germany
Yes please, I want a stronghold of rationally thinking people, even in North America.
Well, i'm from Germany and currently i'm in Quebec🤔😂
Nah lieber a German bier
Canada is very nice!
@@undeadcircustvkv give them a job
A very impressive talk from you mr. Rosen. I sincerely hope that you can addres this topic of crime and mass-incarceration in the US, in such a manner that it may contribute to a beginning of change in thinking and change in attitude. Thank you for your insight and expertise!
yes as we can see in wonderful cities who have not been putting people in prison. oh wait.
I just love Germany and the people. Been many times but the covid put a stop to everything. Hopefully in Munich September. Love you Deutschland, love you Munich, love you Bayern, see you soon. Love from England 🇬🇧 ❤
Much love back to you from the Mountains of Berchtesgadener Land
Much love from Germany! ❤️
As a German I find it a bit offensive that someone finds it that hard to accept that the country isn't the same as 70 years ago. Most of the people living back then aren't even alive anymore.
I find it hard to see what's offensive about this self reflection on the American system and policies. America need more people that is willing to be inspired by other places rather than the Fox news America is great feel good story.
Not from Germany sry, but lot's of positive (and some negative) stuff to learn from there.
Because you still don't allow europeans to live as they will. You want muslim "refugees"?---YOU keep 'em and STOP trying to force them on to other sovereign states who DON'T WANT THEM.
kirdiekirdie - True. And Americans today are not slaveholders.
However, in order to make your country a better place in the future, you have to deal with its past first.
I don't want to be a buzzkill or anything, I am agreeing with Jeff
Rosen, generally. But as a german professional working in the german
correction system, I'd like to correct a few misunderstandings, mostly
stemming from the type of prison Mr. Rosen apparently visited. Heidering
prison is a very new, state-of-the-art prison. There are other prisons
in Germany, which are much more bleak then Heidering: Old prison
buildings with few windows high up in the walls, much less natural
light, without cafeterias in the style you just saw in the video. In
some german prisons, many inmates still spend a lot of hours (up to 23)
in their cells, and not everyone has a cell of his (or her) own. Also,
in many prisons everyone gets the same food, the inmates don't cook for
themselves on a daily basis- cooking is more of recreational thing
happening a few times a week (or less). How much sports, recreation, or
possibilities to leave the prison for activities outside of it (visiting
of doctors, therapists, loved ones etc.) varies to a high degree (from
quiete a lot, Heidering style, to almost never (except medical
emergencys, and guarded by armed wardens) in old school prisons). Its
very much dependend on the directorate of the prison, if they are kind
of modern, opend minded people working heavily towards rehabilitation,
or more old school, working with a heavy punishment-and-correction
mindset.
So, what Mr. Rosen showed in this piece is the best, most modern and
rehabilitation-oriented standard the german system has to offer.
Heidering is not a typical german prison.
Having said that- his points are still totally valid. Even the most
backwards, punishment-oriented prisons in Germany (which are getting
fewer and fewer, as members of old school directorates retiere and are
replaced by new people with a different, often more open minded
background) will still be much more pleasent places than typical
US-places, as even the minimum standard of german prisons required by
law gives inmates certain rights probably uncommen in the US correction
facilities.
Sorry for any grammatical or spelling mistakes. Not my first language, yadda yadda.
Yeah. I was wondering where he got the info from. Phones in cells? Haha.
I was looking for this comment. He said in the talk that Heidering is the newest prison. So I asked my self how it is in old prisons.
I can respect your statement. I work at a federal prison in Texas and we do have rehabilitation and programs to help inmates get back into society these days. We still need a lot of work but many people don't have a clue what they are saying. I will retire frim the federal prisons in less than a year. Thank you for your honesty and God Bless
I appreciate your integrity.
There are 2 reasons to put people in prison. 1. get the bad people away from the good people. 2 rehabilitate the bad people and eventually let them out. This option does not work for all prisoners. Some should never be out among good people again. That group cannot be rehabilitated. 3. There is a group that can be educated, rehabilitated and eventually go out to mix with others without problems but that is never everyone. We need to stop thinking that everyone can be saved.
For anyone that wants or has to start a new live in another country and has the choice between the US or germany, you should choose germany
1:43 that's a really nice CLS Shooting Brake / Station Wagon there!
Also nice Ted Talk.
Im a simple man
I read Germany in the title I click on in
but he forget, that the US are the new na+zis... not the world police, they want to tell us...
and he bought US cars, but the americans killed the natives, but that is no problem for him...
24:45 It is very arrogant of Rosen to say: "I did not come to Germany to forgive..."
How can a Jewish person, born after WW2, consider to forgive or not a German person, also born after WW2 like him.
So Rosen would say to me: "I forgive you something, which did not happend to me" and I should answer: "I apologise for something, which I did not do."
Does Rosen not know, that countries are not acting, the people of the countries are acting and 98% or so of people acting in WW2 are dead.
crimes done by nazi germany are unforgivable.
he did not say "i will not forgive a german person for what happened", he simply said "i will not forgive".
i agree with that, and so do most germans, they will not forget nor forgive what happened, and thats very good.
it makes you humble, and humbleness is the thing most people lack. they know what happened, and they dont try to hide what went wrong, it is the only way to improve and prevent this disgrace from happening once more.
the appropriate statement isnt "i will not forgive you/the germans", it is "i will not forgive" like he said it. the appropriate answer wouldnt be "ich entschuldige mich" (i apologize). it would be "es tut mir leid" (i am sorry).
you can feel sorry when someone is in pain, even when it wasnt you hurting him. its about sharing the pain (literally), the only way to reunite and reconcile.
especially in these times, where people try to deny the holocaust, where the rightwing rises again in germany and the rest of europe, even in the US, its good to be reminded of what happened the last time.
Crimes done by Nazi Germany are unforgivable. On the other hand, crimes committed by every other country or nation apparently are. Why?
+Dimm Vargr Who said that? Many critize the USA for the two nukes on Japan. And they are right. Many critize the Britains for bombing the civil population of Dresden in WW2. And they are right. That are only 2 examples of inhuman action by the "heroes" of WW2. You cannot forget that past, but learn from it. That is what GB, Germany and even the USA did.
It is his right to forgive or not to forgive as he wants. Nobody can force anyone to forgive anything. Forgiveness comes to you - or not. He didn't let his pain get into the way of his judgement - and that is really all you can ask of anyone. There is no more powerful demonstration of what enlightenment can do!
I agree. People don't walk around and say. "I didn't come to Italy to forgive" referring to the horrible actions of the Roman Empire.
The official incarceration numbers are world record. The real incarceration numbers including county Nationwide with the prisons is mind-boggling. Hard to quantify comparing to any other country
Wow that's so horrible
Thank you Mr. Rosen. It was a very sensitive lecture.
The funny thing that in Germany it's technically legal to break out of prison cause of the right of freedom of every individual in Germany. But the crimes you have to commit to get out (like taking hostage or damaging the prison) aren't. Just another little bit I wanted to throw in there.
Not to mention that the prison clothes on the escape.... Theft is.
Oh yes we Germans are already a funny heap ^ ^
Germany is being destroyed and liberalism is doing a great job of it. Germany is NOT SAFER at all.
@@emsnewssupkis6453 AfD or USA?
Michael Utech Expecting an AfD supporter to speak and write proper english...
@@sugar5374 Sie sint alle verrüct.
Ich habe noch nie verstanden wie ein Land wie die USA mit ihrer Wirtschaftsmacht ihren Landsleuten keine kostenfreie Bildung und eine staatliche Krankenversicherung zur Verfügung stellt. Wir deutsche meckern zwar wie die Weltmeister über alles in unseren Land, haben es aber schon sehr gut. Dafür bin ich sehr dankbar.
so isses
Wir meckern nicht, wir bleiben nur selbstkritisch um uns ja nicht zufrieden zu geben und den Laden am laufen zu halten. :D
Heterogenität vs. Homogenität.
Jupp, frag ich mich auch immer wieder.
Demographie
Huh, it was a very emotional and very informative testimony/speech that might touch our ways of living. Thank you!
I think this is a small point in the big difference between the people of Germany and USA. German People tend to be more honest and law abiding in general. USA has a much larger segment of people that in varying degrees seem to think that lying, cheating, manipulating and in general taking advantage of other people is somehow their right.
Don't mistake scared germans for good germans. There is a difference when a dictatorship hasn't been gone very long.
Do you have an example of this segment of people in America?
I actually see this in a number of specific groups. But I’m interested to know where you see such leanings.
Prisons are privatized in the United States. Crime is big business, so putting people away creates huge profits.
Sadly.
Yep, that's it. In the UK the prisons are also run by private companies. The UK have the highest rate by far of imprisoning people.
@chcpr1 Wrong. If the justice system wants criminals it will find criminals.
Chapter 27 code of federal regulations 72. 11 clearly states all kinds of commercial who's profiting War profiteering for the master race
@chcpr1 yeah just keep building prisons instead of educating your people and feeding your people I bet you're heavily invested into municipal bonds
As an American living in Germany I can attest to the higher standard from few if any potholes to the needed worldwide applauded environmental activism. Yes, Germans pay a great deal more in taxes BUT besides repaired streets there is also two human rights. Access to health care and access to education. By access I mean free. Everyone has these two inalienable rights and any government that claims to be free that DOES NOT give, grant, provide these two things cannot, cannot call itself a free, progressive government.
The problem in the states is the mindset. If you don't have/provide/give you shall not receive anything. So if you are not rich you won't get access to healthcare, etc. I hope at one point in the future the mindset of many americans will change
@@Tom-kh2vx Education is one of the most important things we have, so no-one should have to pay to be educated!
To claim that one person must serve another is the exact opposite of freedom. It's slavery. To claim that slavery is freedom, is ignorance so assounding that is takes on the form of a miracle.
@@geoden Education is free and it always has been. Schooling is not free and should not ever be provided to anyone at the expense of taxpayers.
@@karozans I won't argue with you, your mindset is just wrong. I am well UK schooled and it cost me nothing.
Thank you for your Channel update God bless you Brother
Our problem in America is multifaceted. We have a media and politicians who tell people it's okay to be violent and they are entitled to wealth without earning. I have lived in Deutschland and the society is very different. There is complete respect there for property, people and the law. We have a community which says the law and police are wrong. Thank you for trying but we have to come to the realization the law, police and society have to be respected.
It seems to me like society in the US is drifting apart by the seams, but you can't just put the fault on one side. Political polarization is one example, of course, but you also can't expect people to respect police when some law enforcement officers abuse their authority to harass, injure or even kill citizens without good grounds, are then backed up by their "union" on principle and often let go Scot-free due to qualified immunity - a concept which also does not apply to police officers in Germany. The militarization and "warrior training" pitting "the force" against "civilians" (as if LEOs are soldiers?) surely also do not contribute to healthy interaction with communities. Add to that the increased stress for officers as a cause of working too many hours and having to navigate an environment where everyone can pull a gun on them at any moment, and you have a recipe for trauma and disaster.
Departments will differ, obviously, but the bad apples that exist seem to get coddled too much and keep generating headlines that make people more and more distrustful of their own peace officers. Not to mention stuff like civil forfeiture or scandals like RAMPART. In the end, respect often has to be earned, it cannot simply be demanded.
I feel like Germany reflects so much more on it's horrible past than other countries do. For example Japan.. like they were literally allies. But somehow most young Japanese people don't even know about that. And when you think of Japan you don't think of that. On the other hand when you think about Germany it's one of the first things that comes to your mind. Sooo many countries including the US have done terrible things. The reason why Germany progressed so much is because it reflects unlike any other country.
we try to improve ourselfs every day. thats what drives us here in germany.
It's the christian mindset, the feeling of guiltiness.
Edit: Even if they consider themselves as christians or not, all native germans share the same christian values, and the feeling of guiltiness is an important characteristic of chistian people, as well as shame and honour is important for muslims. Maybe I'm not expressing well, English in not my native language.
@@rao803 i would decidedly oppose this assement. Germany is a secular country with a very ethnic and theologically diverse population.
@@dr.j.redacted3679 Ethnic diversity? All Germany is mainly christian. Even if you are atheist, your mindset is still christian-based.
@@rao803 that is a very difficult claim to make i hope you have evidence to support it.
I can't believe I sat through 25 minutes of this guy talking without getting bored.
Indeed, he has an interesting way of talking.
@@Skalli10 more like waffling about something that discipline camps wouldn't fix quick quick 😉
Omg I didn't even realize that this video was 25 minutes
Not sure that is to be boasted of...
Exactly. But to be honest, I was sorry it did not last longer, because it was really interesting.
Truly Worth Sharing.
shocking how much inner work our humanity still needs
Yeah, America, specifically, but humanity as a whole needs to come together and fix all of our problems without bias.
“Generally speaking, punishment makes men hard and cold;
it concentrates; it sharpens the feeling of alienation;
it strengthens the power of resistance”
F. Nietzsche
Nietzsche also follows a similar line to Dostoyevsky. He says the more uncomfortable and anxious a society is, the more it wants to torture criminals as a sort of emotional release. In the "Genealogy of Morals," he imagines a society so at ease with itself (so affluent and comfortable) that it hardly punishes criminals at all. Now it reads like a description of Norwegian prisons.
You canot make it an universal rule..you have to look at the soul of every criminal individually..some all ready feel remorse others will use every comfort and snear if not receiving a real punishment...all need care yes.. but I find the victims should have influence on the punishments and demand practical actions..
@@paulsevenitz616 That's an archaic approach you really shouldn't contemplate.
@@paulsevenitz616 "judge i pledge for death penalty, to conduct today! This man has knocked over my cup of beer."
@@tinamunich3107 this is unfair..you can maximally ask for destroy his beer... i mean when your son is murdered you should receive the chance to judge..to forgive and then let the justice decide or to seek revenge and push the justice in a certain direction.. f.e. ordering certain services money work ..a long stay in prison or in worst case death..however i am not a fan of this and i am against death Penalty in general..but the word of the victim should play a bigger role
The German system sounds humane, rational, and effective-- unlike in the U.S.
It is anything but rational, it is run by bureaucrats.
Kathryn Drew im German and live in Germany it's really not it's run by bureaucrats and the way the guy in the video presented it made it look like a utopia but it's not
@@Bamster-ju1oe Thanks for replying-- but it still might be a lot better than here where more and more of our state and federal prisons are run by for proft corporations
@@Nightstalker314 Haha good answer. But German system still seems much better than our system
actually, I am a german law student involved in research regarding international comparison of legal systems (focused on criminal law). And oh god I swear I am so happy for living in this country. No offense.
Jeff Rosen has a very nice speaking voice.
When I was in my early thirties and back packing alone aroundEurope, I was up in Sweden. The train arrived very late and the train station locked up for the night. They kicked us all out. I wandered around resting in doorways ( it was snowing) when I came upon a police station. I went in to ask them where I could go to stay warm overnight. They said everything was closed up so they let me stay for a few hours to warm up. Then, they made me leave, in the middle of the snowing night! No directions even to get back to the train station! And I was a young woman alone. I have always trusted police officers so was surprised that they weren’t more helpful. My point is that we all have good and bad stories to tell about the police no matter where we are.
I really love those videos because as a german living in germany we kind of tend to see only the bad stuff taht happens in our lives and cities. Doing your everyday chores leaves very little room to realise how good and worth living in this country is. Seeing the perspective of an outsider is a great way of adjusting ones own view.
Fluegelfreak Exactly!
I mean, your refugee crisis in 2015 and 2016 in Germany is great proof that your country is doing things very right, that it is "good and worth living" in Germany. People don't flee to a country by the millions if they don't think they will have a good life there. That's plenty of evidence from outsiders that should adjust your view of how well your country is run. Frankly, as an American living in NYC I have flirted with the idea of leaving the USA and living in Berlin...
Luboman411
Your will be welcome in germany ^_^
Luboman411 Go to south Germany near and in Stuttgart are many americans because of the many american military bases.
Absolutely right, I’m a german citizen too, many of us don’t don’t value the system we out here in Germany.
I’m proud to be a german.
Das er am Ende fasst weinen musste, zeigt, dass er sich mit dem Thema auf einer sehr tiefen Basis auseinander gesetzt hat :). Ehre.
Ehre Alla
Ich bin dumm und habe keinen Plan, aber nice name you got there. I wonder what it means tho
Wer weint hat Recht? Den Bullhit goauben doch nur dumme Kindergärtnerinen.
@@Ratselmeister Kannst du nicht lesen?
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This man has a calming voice.
European countries are very different from the US. The US is a great country, but we could do a lot to fix certain things. Germany is a nation that seems to focus on the population as a whole, as in whats best for everyone. Where in the US there is much more focus on "what the individual can do." More or less its up to you to figure things out on your own. Not an excuse, just my take on it.
Everybody should go to Germany instead of the USA. That will be great.
@@rherna2601 Or we as Americans could learn from the German examples and improve America. MAGA wasn't great for all Americans.
I would like to add that this concept he described is not particularly German. Germany is not exceptional. I feel like the USA is rather doing exceptionally bad compared to other developed nations (see his statistics).
I say that as a German myself. There are countries in Europe doing worse than us but also countries doing a lot better (e.g. Scandinavian states). I see though why he refered to Germany in particular...
Also I think there are two entirely different underlying ideologies in the USA vs. Europe. In the USA imprisonment serves as punishment. In Europe as resocialization.
Yeah, there are a lot of better examples in Europe and around (Iceland, Sweden, Denmark)
USA has a huge private prison lobby, who is working hard to keep the ban on weed up and to keep people in their prisons. It's a business model, that is abusing people.
I Europe prisoners are seen as victims, just like your average bad guy in a Child story or animated movies, who actually just had a harsh youth, and was treated unfair, but if you give him a chance and a working environment, he will be a good guy, whereas America sees a prisoner as human scum, who is maybe genetically bad and can't ever be integrated into society again.
Pm Müller Yeah, but e.g. iceland has a far lower population making everything easier..
you are proven right by the chart at 5:25
Well he didn't claim that Germany had the best system in the world but rather that he visited Germany and saw that it is much better than the American system. That is like telling somebody that a Mercedes C-Class is better than an Hyundai i30 but there are still S-Classes, Ferraris, Porsches and so on. Of course there are even better options but that is the one he saw in person.
Yep I know. Just wanted to mention it because I always find it interesting to see what other countries do. And there are lots of other countries that you can check out, too.
btw - what a name lol
A point I feel like he's missing is some more elaboration on the socio-economic factors that have an influence on crime rates. Germany has a "safety net" in social security which plays a huge part in people not committing crimes to survive.
but crime rates have been trending downward for years. Socio-economic factors and moral values influence incarceration rates and the facts paint a grim picture of the US as a punitive justice system. my question is what purpose does it serve ?
@@coreylougheed The purpose is to keep certain people in their place!
Being poor in the US is a "crime"! Once you enter the Criminal Justice System, you are cut off of a lot of things in society (renting a place, getting a job, opening a bank account are harder).
Obviously this affect minorities a lot more.
The problem is that USA has the highest incarceration in the whole world, I just checked so it is not only that. One of the major problems are bails. John Oliver has a piece about it. Check it out.
I lived and worked in America for ten years, basically, America cares about money, nothing else.
@@coreylougheed me as a German can tell you, that the safety net saves poor people, people with a bad school degree or disabled people who cant work anymore from beeing home less and the need to steal. If you dont have a job in germany, you can infact ask the governwmnt for life Support, which includes monthly Cash for food and stuff, while the governwmnt basically pays your flat, warm water and electricity. And with the social insurance System, theres care for your needs, for example u dont nee dto pay a Single dollar / Euro for your lifesaving Insulin or something like that
Should come over to stadelheim and see how Clean, much natural light and relaxed Atmosphere there is
Stadelheim is for terrorists. The counterpart of Guantanamo. Do you want to compare ?
Our ability to learn is the key to achieving anything, so we should learn from past mistakes to rise again for sure.
I learned so much about German prisons.And I live in Germany😂
Me too ;-)
If you are relying on Jeff Rosen to educate you, you would be better off remaining uneducated.
@@SusanBassi well, I kinda see your point (better no Information than from an unreliable source) but I disagree. Even a blind chicken finds a corn once in a while. While of course you shouldn't rely on one source, and always confirm your Information with at least a second source, one shouldn't need to discredit a less reliable news source.
Dito
Same;-;
Theres also work programs in german prisons where you earn around minimum wage and educational programs
Damn, sign me up.
L grey They get far less than minimum wage, the good payed jobs are about 3-4€ (MW is about 9.5€). Still they get the chance to find work they might like and get a structured day.
@@eryo1965 my dad actually got around minimum wage when he was in prison
@@eryo1965 Better than America, where prisoners are hired as firefighters for some cents per hour.
Dignity and rehabilitation
I love Germans and Germany.... They are part of my DNA!
ENLIGHTENING
Yes, our prison system is different because it's almost 100 percent state-financed, we don't operate private prisons. Meaning they are not for profit, the US prison system is first and foremost a money machine. Keeping people in the system, makes these companies money, so they are not necessarily interested in letting them go. Another one is the lowest murder rate in Europe which probably has to do with a) very limited access to guns and b) a very stable social system. If you loose your job, the government takes care of you, gives you a home if necessary, tries to find you a new job. It's not perfect, but much, much better than the homelessness crisis in the US due to failed social security.
Thats it!
Nope. That's parroting finger pointing. There are private prisons around the developed world, not just the US. Less than 10% of American prisoners are in private prisons, and almost none were 25 yrs ago when the US had its highest murder and violent crime rates in modern history. Private prisons should probably be done away with, but you're way overstating their impact. The low murder rate in Germany is cultural. There's no more than wishful thinking correlation that the lower murder rate is because of larger welfare programs. Though more guns in the US, including many illegally obtained guns do play a role. The recidivism rate in the US is also higher because our prisons are almost entirely focused on punishment. Rehabilitation is waaaay down on the list of priorities.
Being the world's "melting pot" is a blessing and a curse for the US. Germany is rather homogenous in its population compared to the US, Mexico, or Brazil. It doesn't take a genius to see how that affects crime, but that's a long book unto itself.
"very stable social system" "the government takes care of you" are you completely blind/uneducated or is that just hear-say? we have the biggest low-income sector in europe and at the same time we are the most wealthy country here. how exactly does this display a "stable" social system? "the government takes care of you" are you joking? the salaries are at 1997 levels today, no increases worth mentioning in the last 20 years, REAL inflation of 80-100% since 2000, none of the big players in the industry pay real taxes, oh and our prison/law system isn't exactly worth showing off either because 1) it often takes years to convict someone for a crime, the law/education system in germany is plenty decades old 2) there are a lot better prison systems in the world f.e. in norway, it's like you're saying "my 1980 honda is a great and modern car" but that's only true if you compare it to a 1950 VW beetle, if you open your eyes for the real world then there's nothing great about any of our institutions. at least I can't think about a single government institution in our country which is modern and does a good job.
you live in a society where the poor constantly finance the luxuries of the rich and go out and say we have a stable social system? which part of it is stable? the part where 6 million people who have jobs live in or next to poverty (and that's an official number, reality is always a lot worse than the numbers no matter if you're talking unemployment, inflation, etc.) or the part where 12,5 million people are already struck by poverty? you can close your eyes but in the UK elderly people are freezing to death because they can't afford to heat up their homes, and 12,5 million people are already close to facing the same problems aswell as another 6 million just one step away from the same poverty. the same thing is going to happen to us because people like you close their eyes while our money loses value each day and our salaries never increase. you think it's a sign of a "stable social system" that unemployed people get small little handouts? I'll tell you what it is, it is a sign that not everyone in our society is as blind as you. as long as there are enough awake and/or educated people amongst us the politicians will never be able to give people in one of the wealthiest countries in the world less than they need to afford a home and food, that's exactly why the system hasn't changed in a decade, because they can't take more from us and they have no intentions to give us more, so they entertain/distract us while opening doors for big time tax-evasion, military exports and the resulting refugees and thanks to inflation we still get ~4%+ less money every year while salaries (if at all) may only increase by max 2%.
EvilMonkey7818 I as a german. Can‘t agree totally. In Germany there are many different cultures ( big Turkish community, people from east Europe).
And not to forget about the refugee currents of the last years with millions of Africans and arabics. Germany today is also multicultural with all it’s positive and negative sites.
@@herberthans7015 If you talk about official numbers, take all official numbers and not only the ones, you like. Inflation was between 0,3% and 2,1% per year since 2010 (compared to 5%+ in the 90s). The "Reallohn" (salary adjusted by inflation) raised always(!) in the last years (between 0,5% and 2,7% per 3 month). This are the official numbers.
The problem with low-income and poverty is a mathematical: If the mean salary is high, the limit of "low-income" and "poverty" is also higher compared to a country with lower mean salary. Thats because it is a percentage limit!
I dont say, everything is perfect and The Dudelino neither. Yes, there are companies, especially some US-Tech companies, which pay close to no taxes due to some flaws in EU law. That sould be changed. But overall we are on a very good level and, yes, have a stable system. Unemployed people actually get very much money - compared to other countries. And there is no time limit on it. It is enough to buy food. The home is paid completly. That should be enough. If you want more, you should do something for it. Nobody should expect, that the working people pay unemployed people for more then some basic stuff like food and home. Do something for it, education is free in germany (even university is free, thats not normal in other countries), so use it, there are enough open jobs. And no, education system is not as bad as PISA says, german education system aims at skills, which are actually needed in the companies (dual system - Ausbildungen/Berufsschule - as well as dual university and also in primary and secondary school), but this skills are not relevant in PISA.
Improving everything even if its already on a high level is on the one side good for being an inovation leader and economically successful, but on the other side it leads to many complains about thing, which are actually quite good (but of course could be even better). Thats the pro and con of never being satisfied with the current situation - and thats a very german thing.
I, too, think your talk has been very informative, even for me as a german.
But I want to point out, that not all prisons in Germany look like the one you visited - especially the older ones!
As I went to school, we visited the prison in Landsberg am Lech in Bavaria. This prison was of course clean and with a sterile atmosphere, but they don't have things like balconies and kitchens on every floor and it was much less daylight in there. I think this counts for most german prisons, that have not been built in the las few years.
Just wanted to tell this everyone who watches this video - living in prison in Germany is not like living in a hotel or something. They have "closing times" when they have to be in there cells, their day starts early, they have to work.
P.S. What I feel positive about german prisons are the efforts to reintegrate the criminals into society, for example can inmates get school-leaving qualifications or do jobtrainings, so that they have a perspective after leaving the prison. And if they have problems with socialisation they can get a therapy etc.
SommerSonne
Super geschrieben, grammatikalisch auf hohem Niveau! Und dann dieses eine "oder" dazwischen, da musste ich schon schmunzeln :D
Danke jedenfalls für deinen Kommentar!
Ich danke euch für eure Hinweise ;) Über das alle und oder musste ich auch lachen :D
Otherwise you could say: I think your talk has been also very informative.
Tim Expect It
*has :)
Tim Expect It Though that wouldn't make as much sense I think, because the first sentence didn't include another point other than the fact that the talk has been very informative...
(Also wenn du den ersten Satz überhaupt meinst :D)
in my city (Hamburg, Germany) there is a prison football team! They are playing in the regular football league and competition. But they aren’t allowed to rank up and all their games are at their prison.
Everybody who plays football in Hamburg has a probability to play against them as much as to play other teams.
Been like that in Western Australia since I was 20 years of age as a probationary prison officer I am now 68 years old
I`m german, born in the 80`s. I grew up on a lot of american culture (music, literature and Baseball as well). Since being
taught about german history in the first half of the 20th century I wanted to see germans and americans to overcome this past so bad. Learning from each other is the best thing to come.
da ist nix was wir von den yankees lernen könnten... alles was die wissen, haben sie von uns geklaut.
Germans, what do English people wish to learn from you that we do not already know from the history of the 20th century? Oh yes add Merkel and her single-handed destruction of European culture in century 21! Brexit NOW!
@@willswomble7274 How about doing politics in parliament without turning them into martial art contests?
@@MienemLeben Ost Deutschland ist selbst schuld an seiner jetzigen Situation! Nach der wiedervereinigung sich selbst direkt als Opfer darstellen & rumheulen das man ignoriert wird.. Anstatt nach der Wiedervereinigung für ein gemeinsames Deutschland aufzustehen, habt ihr euch erstmal in die Ecke gesetzt & geheult wie Jerry Smith!
Genauso seit ihr selbst daran schuld das wir euch heutzutage nicht mehr haben wollen, ihr mit eurem "ich hab Angst vor anderen Menschen & ich bin ein kleines weinerliches Mädchen" scheiß! Werdet endlich erwachsen & hört auf in Selbstmitleid zu baden, ihr in der Vergangenheit hängengebliebenen Heulsusen.
Mr. Meeseeks Ich bin 2005 aus Deutschland gezogen. Allerdings lebt die Hälfte meiner Familie in der Nähe von Bavaria. Ich habe eine Tante, die als Krankenschwester in einem großen medizinischen Zentrum angestellt ist. Diese Migranten warfen Urin auf weibliche Ärzte und Krankenschwestern, die H.IV. positiv. Die andere Hälfte meiner Familie zog auf das Land im Mittleren Westen Amerikas, wo sich zu Beginn des 20. Jahrhunderts vor allem Deutsche niederließen. Meine Familie tut alles, um sich gegen die Krise zu wehren, ohne inhaftiert zu sein.
It's not just Germany that has built a better society for ALL of its citizens. Other western and northern European countries have as well, sometimes even better than Germany: the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway, etc.
These countries all have in common that they have implemented a modern, capitalistism based economy in combination with democratic and social structures and values: it's a hybrid form of free enterprise together with a national, collective systems with high standards.
Yes, overall the income taxes are higher, but by creating good infrastructure and facilities with high standards, which are affordable and obtainable for ALL, societal problems are minimised and most people are healthier, happier, better educated and safer. It pays off to take good care off ALL.
And we still have our personal freedom. It is NOT "communism", as many cold war rethoric indoctrinated americans label us. Most of those people never visited these European countries, let alone that they have actual lived there. They don't know what they're talking about and rather blindly defend the US, based upon dogmatic patriotism in combination with ignorance and prejudice.
The smartest organisations are those that are self-critical, reflective, that learn from others who have less problems and that learn from their own mistakes.
the smartest organisations learn from the mistakes others make...
Thats what I wanted to say. Compared to other european countries germany has a lot to improve
@@britneysmith176
Tell me, what do you actualy know about Germany and other European countries? In what country do you live?
Sweden is a completely failed country. See where they are in 10 years.
@@dshom
" a completely failed country "
Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof.
But never mind. People who talk in such ridiculous absolutes and superlatives, loose their credibility.
I think how you educate your population has a lot to do with it. Would love to know what the curriculum is for elementary and secondary schools there, what the kids are taught are acceptable societal norms. It seems like there's a lot less shaming and derision, and a lot more "let's help you get yourself back on the right track."
I visited Germany several years ago it’s a beautiful country with a lovely people
"canadians r kinda just like us"
All the canadians r shaking
well technically both are americans
@@Lichtschutzfaktor1 technically everyone who lives in the american continent is american
Canadian: I wish he´s wrong
'but nicer." quote quotes
Canadians are not like Americans . We don't lock up as many people as them . I am from Canada and don't know anyone who has ever been in jail at the moment except for a night in the drunk tank . I knew two people who spent three or four months in jail for breaking into a safe with a curling rock . We also have nationwide legal pot and free medical coverage , less covid and more taxes . So it all balances out and I prefer Canada because it leans more toward socialism and not communism.
why is everybody ALWAYS talking about the bad things Germany has done, but NOBODY ever talks about the bad things the USA for example has done.
I am sick of always hearing that they don't want to forgive or forget. Of course it was horrible but get over it. There were a lot of other things too.
I am german, yes. And I think it was horrible but I am NOT sorry, because it was not me, the germans or germany... it were the Nazis.
AJAX so uneducated its actually sad
AJAX i disagree
@AJAX There are actually worse crimes to humanity. Off the top of my head I would name the Japanese in China, the Sowjet Union and the early US with the Indians.
im just saying that the USA killed the most people in human history
about 40 million
I’m watching this 5yrs later from Texas. Nothings changed.
Jeff I found your talk fascinating. If you see this comment, I’d be really interested to know why the North American crime and incarceration rates increased in the last 70 years? I feel it may have something to do with Hollywood and putting images on screens which give ideas to people who perform copycat crimes. Interested to know your thoughts. Peace
Some of these jail cells actually look better than my college dorm room.
Oh they sure do. Luckily, we dont have to pay a tuition to go to university in Germany, so we can afford a little bit better dorms.
Prisons cells and why should they be worse? I mean we need to built prison cells anyway is there any advantage to not building them as well as we can?
@@DaDunge i guess money plays a role in there
DoctorShroom: Shoot, at LSU my freshman year, 1980, students still lived in dorm rooms in the stadium with no air conditioning.
@@MaxMustermann-ze1iv Not really, college dorm rooms weren't built to be bad, they became bad because they're old.
Well nearly every German who could be forgiven, is dead already. The important thing is not too forget that every war is horrible and got no winners. We should not forget what was done to anybody in any war, as we are all the same and you can only sort out the human and the inhuman who do this bad things
you can make alot of money with wars dude
Strange, all those videos of people cheering in the background, giving up their personal resources to support the war efforts, etc. All of those people are dead, and that entire nationalist outlook is dead? That seems ... unlikely.
@@jeffreytackett3922 there may be new nationalists in every country, but they didn't do anything what was done in ww2.
@@jeffreytackett3922 no of course not everyone is dead. But most are.
This is not really about the war though it's about what happened in the shadow of the war. I would argue that war can be nessecery and perhaps Germany even had a just cause for war, but there was no just cause for the war as it happened, nor for the unimaginable things done in its shadow.
This is fascinating.
Superb Talk. Thank you. Thank you.
The Problem about Germans - we are crying everytime on a really high level. We have forgotten how good our Life is compared with many outher Lands.
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@@th3th387 Schön, dass wir das jetzt alle wissen!
Lands ist nicht richtig,du meinst countrys, lands hat eine landschaftliche Bedeutung.
W K ja immer diese Idioten die die deutsche Demokratie infrage stellen, nur weil sie nicht jeden Scheiß hinterhertragen bekommen. Am besten einfach alle in Nordkorea aussetzen für eine kleine Lektion
@@angriffslusticherWildoger Nö, aber einfach mal in anderen Ländern hinter die Kulissen gucken und vergleichen. Und im Zweifelsfall auch die Eier haben auch mal ne Zeit lang oder für immer woanders zu leben.
It's rather simple: Prisons should never be a for profit system. in Germany we want people to rehabilitate, we want them to lead a normal life again. In the US prison owners have an interest in keeping as many inmates as possible because they make billions with it. And the least space they give their inmates, the more money they can make.
... and the less space the inmates get, the more tensed up and aggressive they get, the more incidents you have, the more you can add to their sentences.
Which doesn't make life any easier on the correctional officers.
And that in turn should add to the tension ...
@Gerry C :I'd agree. Germany for example stopped punishing people for the the personal consumption of drugs - only if you sell them, it's a criminal offense.
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And even in Germany we want to improve, we look up north at Denmark Norway and Sweden in a similar way as Americans look at Germany.
As long as it is necessary to build a fence {prison fence} to protect humans from one and another you should seek for better ways to prevent and address crime.
The perfect judicial system is the one that has nothing to do.
@Gerry C
I don't think a prison fence is build so the prisoners tv doesn't get stolen, but so he won't go out to harm someone
@Gerry C
I talked about German prisons still having to improve further, and they have fences.
In privately owned prison systems the more inmates, the more profits.
This is proof humanity can learn. People need to care about each other's happiness. It has been proven that human happiness is dependant on association with nature, and how nice we are to each other... So it is so simple.. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Who said that?
I was camping in Berlin some years ago and a criminal was managing the camp-site as an alternative punishment. He was actually nicer than most camp-site managers. :)
Well, if they got managing a camp-site as an alternative punishment he probably did a very minor crime like vandalism, shoplifting or possession of drugs
@@TheTerrorHamster you dont get pirson for those crimes unless the possession of drugs is large enjough to be classified as intent to distribute
I think the main difference is the mindset in those two countries of what a prison is supposed to do. In the US I feel like the main goal is to punish, where as here in germany prisons are there to correct an individuums behaviour and prepare her/him for their return to society rather than punishing. The individuums environment is often a huge part of why they comitted the crime in the first place so those classes are there to help overcome those experiences and set people to a path for a brighter future with no crime
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Bug LP So true!
Sorry, while your point is well thought out, the main goal of US prisons is to make a profit. As long as unchecked capitalism is allowed in healthcare, education and "justice" we Americans are pretty much screwed from womb to tomb.
That's absolutely true. I once saw a documentation about american prisons. It's a business and has nothing to do with the people inside. The most weird thing is, that american prisons have to be full all the time, so the companies involved make their money. That's totally crazy. Here in Germany we control that as few as necessary are imprisoned, because the prisons are run by the government and are paid by taxes, so every working person is indirectly paying for the ones in our prisons.
I haven't watched the talk, but I'm an Austrian (our prison system as well as that of the Scandinavian countries) is basically the same - we've also recently been gifted with a designer prison where the inmates are called guests...
This nice prison, resocialization programs that is the conviction that you will become a valuable part of our society (again?!) only works under a few constraints that the host society has to fulfill:
-The prisoners are actually part of the host society:
1) With the opening of the borders due to Schengen (which should actually not have happened, but that's another story), Western Europe has been flooded with East European organized criminal bands, be it the Mafia, be it the Gypsies for whom the slack jurisdiction and wellness-resort like prisons (no joking) is a strong pull factor.
2) With Arab clans following their own rules (state in the state).
-Resocialization for non resocializable persons: There hasn't been but one case where convicted child rapist and murderers have been given a positive outlook and let loose on society again, commiting their next crimes. Afterwards everybody's always shocked how he could have been let out of the prison.
-Illegal third world immigration under the pretext of asylum.
"Honor killings" (what a joke that term is) have become a big thing, i.e
in those parts of the world it's absolutely common to mutilate/kill women if she's not wearing a hijab, meets with a non muslim, the man thinks she cheats...
-In recent years there has been coined a euphemism for this imported loss of respect for our (western) rules of society it's called "brutalization of society".
If you have any special question I can link you to references, but I'm afraid most of them will be in German.
Yes. Even murderers have a chance at parole, and everyone else will be released at some point. It is only sensible to do our best to ensure that people leaving prison are able to reconnect with normal, civilian life, find a place to live, a job, all of that. The trope of the newly released prisoner who has no choice but to turn back to crime is based on real life, after all.
It helps to have a mostly functional mental health system; this allows segregating people with mental disorders into treatment facitlities, which may be able to help them. It also gets those people out of the general prison population, making re-socialisation easier. It also helps to have treatment options for addiction right there in prison, although all German prisons still have a fairly healthy black market in drugs.
It's not all puppies and rainbows, of course. Nothing built by fallible humans ever is.
Excellent Aty. Rosen. Wielen Dank
When my GAF service came to its last years I participated in an orientation program where they hired correction officers for german prisons. The concept was to encourage people with a relatively long and valuable live experience from the Military to join the staff instead of young and unexperienced high school kids which may be no match to experienced criminals (or the new english term I just learned "hardened criminals") . The program was exclusively for soldiers with at least 12 years service time. I did not plan to become a correction officer but took the chance (along with an orientation seminar they offered) to visit the prison in Landsberg which is an old and historic building with a design directly adopted from the US design of the late 19th century. Furthermore it had a very famos inmate which you probably know. It was a very enlighting experience to visit this historic facility and to see how it is operated today.
Btw. All universities in Germany are free of chargebut there is no "campus" which means you have to need to pay for living in Munich or Cologne or Berlin. This alone might be as expensive as an average U.S. university.
There are collections of university buildings called campus and there are dormitorys of various kinds. But most students don't live in there or get a place.
I live in Germany and it's very funny to see that this prison looks so much nicer then my school
It's a new build prison. It represents what Germany thinks a prison should look like today. New build schools and universities also look different today.
So, if you don't do your homework, your stay in detention at your school is worse than if you had to serve it in that prison?
New built schools??? Where?
That is probably true. My post was actually more of a joke.
Mai Nem i was talking about the way they prison looks not how it is to actually be there
I love my German friends! They have traits that make me really want to stick to them and maintain the friendship. Sometimes when I complain about something, they will NOT immediately side with me. They will instead listen to my story, give the situation a benefit of doubt, tell me I might be missunderstanding, give me positive advice, and separate emotions from rational thought. I'd sometimes get annoyed, like "why do they side AGAINST me?", when in fact, they just want to be fair and correct. Just because I'm their friend doesnt mean that they should judge in bias and omit their objective standpoint. Amazing!! This also means that they're less prone to talk behind your back, to lie to you, to be sly/envy/anjoyed at you without you noticing. They will tell you if something urks them. I love that!! Too much spoiling. Greetings from Austria~
I'm not German*, I tend to do that, I have few friends :-(
*I'm one-quarter German and with relatives there, but I have spent less than a week there in my life, and am only learning to speak it now (I'm 47).
@@alanduval4255 Same here! I need to get me another dog...or two
Thanks for all the kind words, but... aren't our dear neighbors in the south even bolder when it comes to stating the truth?
Dunno, I've been to Austria a couple of times and I don't feel like there's that much of a difference to Germany. ^^"
@@7shinta7 Even if you've been in Austria a couple of times, you wouldn't notice such differences during a visit. It's not superficial enough to be that easily noticed. Also, the typical Austrian would beat around the bush and try to keep the atmosphere as light-hearted and fun as possible. This might come off as slimy, slackish, heck even unprofessional to some Germans. And it doesn't really support the 'speak your mind' premise either. Based on my experience and observation, Germans (especially those in Northern Germany) are much bolder in stating the status quo and quickly moving forward. No tralala and Ausschmücken/Schönreden. (Why are we writing in English?😂)
Wait but aren't Austrians very similar to Germans?
fantastic presentation - I am German and just say TRUE
When you started your speech and spoke of visiting the German prison, Dostoyevsky's quote came to mind. I thought it appropriate that you ended with that quote and asked of the humanity of our system. You addressed what you saw in our system and not why it is as it is. Yours is a discussion a discussion that needs to be followed by the New Jim Crow.