Notice that when Fenris turned against your Hawke, he immediately killed Anders in one attack :D That was the payback for all Anders's horrible questions lol
I'm afraid this is DA2. Everyone's angry all the time 😂 Once you get used to the fact that the party dynamic often feels very different from DAO, it's easier to appreciate this bunch of misfits on their own merits. The same goes for the story overall, too.
I'm a little sad you weren't more patient with Isabela; I guess I wasn't as surprised as you that the "worldly" facade would protect against intimacy. But I also get that for you it was the latest in a long list of such things; timing is everything. Regardless, loving the stream, and hope you are enjoying your time!
I was sad over the Izzy stuff too. But, I really try to make decisions that are best for the character. Shen might have pined after Izzy, but Hawke is a whole nother ball game
DA2 companions are probably the messiest and most complicated companions in the whole series, but that's just kind of a thing in Dragon Age. You're rarely going to find someone where you love every little thing about them; they'll be confrontational, rude, lovely, amazing, and their stories will make you want to protect them while their actions will make you want to slap them. The crew you were traveling with is definitely the emo crew, though, with lots of angst in the backstory and not a lot of compassion for alternate points of view. It's a little hard to put together a group that won't have at least a little bit of conflict.
Loved the episode. I decided to finish my Inquisition play through in order to stay ahead of you and so I won’t feel torn about watching yours 😅. Watching you play the last two is also a good refresher. 😃
@@_shhenanigans_ I’m still working on it. There is a lot to like about it even if some things I didn’t. But I am enjoying it again and it’s definitely worth playing. I left it unfinished too long.
You don't like dresses too. A kindred spirit. Just a little advice. Nothing spoilerly. Try to walk around more instead of just fast traveling. Even though you do sometimes. Like if you're going to the chantry walk through Hightstown. Like if you're visiting Merrill same thing just walk through lowdown. Extra dialogue that way.
I had my female Hawke to be in relationship with Isabela, and while the start of the romance is not really romantic, it fits her character. If you insist on "bringing feelings into sex" she'll tell how she was sold to a man at a very young age to be his wife. She treats the sex casually but she's afraid to really fall for someone, afraid that someone might like the real her. I feel like it's fiting for her to stay with a woman at the end, because female Hawke can understand her and relate to her sttrugles more.
"Is Sebastian a good person?" Yes. Yes he is. Probably more than any other members of your group apart from Aveline. Most of your party is pretty shady; those two are upstanding citizens and nice people as well (not flawless, of course, but "nice"). Maybe Merrill too, very sweet and innocent but also a blood mage.
I mean maybe he is on like a personal level, but for societal issues Sebastian might be the worst, very much wanting things to more or less stay the same. I would argue saying he is a nice person would be a more apt description. (Nevermind what happens in SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS, iykyk) In some ways there is a similar issue with Aveline, though to a less severe degree. I agree with you on Merrill though, her blood magic might be a bit risky, but she never uses it on other people
@@_shhenanigans_ i played the game so many times and i romanced everyone, that now i just go isabela each time i replay it. her arc is written very well. as i said in another comment some time ago she is your ride or die wife! ;)
Yeah theres some banters and lines with Anders and Fenris that made me not like Anders (his personnality, cause i love the character)... He goes far sometimes... even if Fenris is also to blame he seem to never take it as far as him 😅 And dont be too hard on Fenris the game wanted to bring drama in the fade and can do it with practicly all the companions you got very lucky with Fenris 😂😭 As someone who choose the friendship route with Fenris its always weird to see the rival route... He talks really harshly to you...😬
@@_shhenanigans_ Nope even Varric can betray you ahaha But I think you have to be in the rival path with him thats why everybody thinks its not possible
After all that you are going though in this episode, I see that you chose the title of the video concentrating on the important things XD Didn't you recently say that you wanted someone to make a move on you instead of the player always initiating? Well, here comes Isabela... Btw, the answer for your romantic problems - Fenris? Isabela? Anders? Anyone?- is obviously Merrill ;)
1:22:18 to be fair to Anders, you thought it was cute when he said it! But yeah, I don’t blame you for not going for Isabella. I wouldn’t have liked it either.
I understand the Fenris-lovers out there, but he makes me so mad during the Feynriel quest and just in general so I always end up hating him! Also, ISABELLA TIME, BABEY! Her scene is my favorite, I think! But I also understand feeling off about it at the time. Some of the romance in this game feels a little rushed compared to the slow build of Origins and Inquisition
I was devastated at the end of act 1 at the loss of Bethany, not only was she a cool companion and my sister, it meant Anders was my only healer and I had to have him and his moaning in my party 😒 The companions in Act 2 are so funny at times, I hadn't played the game in years and had forgotten most of the lines. I broke down laughing more then once ☺
I can see that about Anders. But to be fair…there are probably a lot of players out there that don’t mind his moaning 🤣🤣💀. Okay, okay that was probably too far And they really are so funny! So many of their lines are outrageous and hilarious. They are written so well!
@@_shhenanigans_ I was taking a drink of water while watching a cut scene, Aveline said something and the water went everywhere, once I finished laughing I had to clean it all up 🤣 Anders annoyed allot of the fan base when the game was first released, basically as soon as Hawke meets him he just cracks onto him/her. Not sure if it was some kind of glitch or intentional, but I think Bioware had to patch it out. Someone in the comments may remember the exact detail
I think the greatest sadness of having Bethany leave is the fact we lost one healer and stuck with Anders who'll beef almost everyone else in the party (and worse if you want mage firepower and bring Merril along). I romanced Anders, but I know how frustrating his banter could be lol. And I can understand you rejecting Isabella after all that. She basically screams "I am red flag, please no" to you all the while, it is hard to 'let her take you' when she really doesn't value 'loyalty' the same way (mostly in sexual means) so it takes a huge load of trust and strong principle to be with her and *feel secure and content* with her. I can't say it aint rewarding but yeah. In a way it gives a lot of different flare regarding romance in DAO and I think that's super cool. One of the things that make DA2 special is how grey everything is.
The more you flirt with more than 1 the harder it is for them to commit to the relationship. But that scene will happen with whoever your romance is the furthest
Sebastian Anders and Fenris have the wildest dialogues. some are funny, some really interesting and deep.. and some are wildly inappropriate.. especially Anders's questions to Fenris. he really has no filter I'm surprised Fenris doesn't deck him in the face lol
Once again, writing my comment as I watch, no editing, just pure rambles~ Ah. You have met Sebastian properly, I'm not his biggest fan, too pious and religious to my taste, but his voice really is good and he is mighty pretty. I personally think Fenris and Anders are kind of the opposite sides of the same coin. They've both been in the position of the oppressed, and they both are incredibly traumatised and hurt by their experiences. Anders has definitely thought of suicide before as a way to escape, and I think that's why he asked Fenris if he's had similar thoughts. Yay, Justice! I think you've now opted out of Isabela's romance, DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THIS. But you could have romanced someone else even after sleeping with Isabela. anyway, I never turn her away personally lol
I bet Sebastian was such a player before the chantry 🤣. That would have been interesting to explore, but as of right now with how he comes across, I just don’t think he and my Hawke would mesh well. The Isabella scene had me so sad. I think that’s the one I really wanted for my Hawke until it got to that part. It just feels like SO much push, with very little pull from the companions. At some point Hawke had to be like “okay, I hear ya” right?! How much rejection can a girl take 😭. Honestly, my head canon is that Hawke was kinda reading the room and knew that if she said yes to Izzy, she was gonna get that kind of response, so broke her own heart and turned her down.
@@_shhenanigans_ pushing for it would have actually continued the romance, not locked in fully yet, but something would have shifted. but I do agree that almost all of the romancing is on Hawke and getting positive reactions to flirting only to be ultimately turned down really gets to you. We shall see if you end up romancing anyone as a Hawke, I mean, it's not mandatory after all lol but all of the romance options are quite angsty for one reason and another. saying anymore than this would count as spoilers 😉 so shush me Also yes, I think I would have liked Sebastian without chantry indoctrination a lot more than I do his current self. I generally recruit him and then toss him in the corner lolol
@@_shhenanigans_ There are short storys abt the Companions and their Background, and Sebastians Short story shows indeed that he was a player bevore the chantry! haha But thats not something you will ever notice or read in the actually game! Without the short story (you can read them online) i would never thought that haha
I was wondering, I saw some of your Mass Effect playthroughs but don't see the 3rd game. Have you played it or do you plan on getting back to it later?
I think the EA app performs really poorly when playing two games on it. When I started DA, while playing ME, it logged me out of the app for two weeks, deleted all my achievements and for whatever reason all of my game time. It eventually figured itself out, but ME never performed the same. I plan to get back to it sometime after I finish Inquisition. I can only play ME3 for the first time once and I don’t want it to be all janky because of the app.
Sebastian is voiced by Alec Newman, an accomplished Scottish actor. For me, he'll always be Paul from the SciFi channel's Dune mini-series. For me, Sebastian is pretty much only good as a wet blanket. Need a way to kill the mood, he's your man. All the charm of Jacob from Mass Effect with an added pinch of religion.
I agree with that, to an extent. For me, the prime suspect in what made Jacob a lame companion whoever decided what powers would be. He was basically a lesser version of Grunt, except technically Biotic.
Personal opinion, my hawke can only handle Fenris in small doses. Given his eagerness to being abrasive towards mages in the party can’t do it. I like Avaline because she doesn’t give any problematic vibes. Isabella and Varric are interchangeable. Either your best bud or the pirate with no filter. Bethany for the first act then Merrill. Hawke has this emptiness after having his sister always there and Merrill needs ppl.
I've romanced both Fenris and Anders, and no shade to either of them (let me repeat lol no shade, don't come for me anders/fenris girlies) but Anders has some vile, piss-poor, disgusting takes about slavery. To the point it almost doesn't line up with the rest of his character. I feel like the older I get the harder it is to overlook the comments and the way I'm not sure if they mesh with the rest of him. There's one quest in particular (being vague to avoid spoilers) with Fenris where Anders says some things that make me want to yeet him into the sun lmao I like every character in this game, don't get me wrong, but like... oof.
I feel like after I finish DA2 I should look up all kinds of think pieces on these characters. I’d bet there is for sure one out there that thinks the same way as you - that Anders doesn’t make sense sometimes.
Before people start laying in on anders, he is massively flawed yes but I definitely have empathy for him , he was sent to the circle when he was 12 by his father so already hes betrayed by like the one person who he loves, and its not made explicit in the game but karl the mage you try to save that gets made tranquil was his lover from the ferelden circle, so the templars murder the one person he loves and now he is just this tortured soul, which is a shame that fenris and anders clash so much, when they have so much in common
I wonder if I would have still flirted with Anders if I knew Karl was his lover. I think I’d probably feel similar to how I felt with aveline being a widow. I wish they had included all that tho. Not that I think he needs rounding out, but it would have been good to know about him
@@_shhenanigans_ There were lots of complaints when the early games came out, about the sexual fluidity of characters, particularly the male ones, my guess is it's because of that
David Gaider (Main Writer of Dragon Age) said once that he intentionally didn't give us Varric as a romance option because he feels a romance between the companion and the player distracts the companion from his personal story a bit. And he didn't want to design Varric's character around a romance, he had the feeling he would have to change Varric for it (If i got it right!) Maybe that's why all romances in Dragon Age are such that you feel pushed away. Maybe that was the way out for the writers and especially David Gaider, to write romances but at the same time have the personal story of the companions in the foreground, like Alistair's “King Story”. Now that you've mentioned it, I can think of soooo many examples even in Inquisition But there are ALSO romance options that are Like "You and Me Against the WORLD"
I neeeeeeeed an us against the world romance. Or one where the companion actually likes the MC from the jump 😭🤣. Please BioWare, stop making companions that constantly reject and push me away. I’m too soft hearted and insecure for all that mess 🤦♀️ But that does make sense about writing them in a way that allows them to complete an arc. Just don’t hurt my feelings in the process 🥲
I feel like Leliana was that in Dragon Age origins! She is also always the one who flirt with me first. I feel that so much! I love my tragic romances too, don't get me wrong, but my fiancé in real life doesn't want to play “Together Against the World” with me either haha, at least someone in Dragon Age should do . Maybe Merrill is someone for you? I'm curious to see how it develops, and if it stays romance-less that's fine too isnt it?
So as mentioned by many below, Sleeping with Isabella doesn't exclude any romance nor does it lock you in with Isabella. At that point in time Isabella has slept with Anders and Fenris too. She also eyes up Carver if he is alive and makes a couple passes at Merrill too, its just her nature. The only two she doesn't flirt with are Aveline and Sebastian.
I’m actually really irritated that I even had to look up this information and be spoiled by this, because YES Isabela sleeping with both Anders and Fenris is a spoiler. But FYI, everything I just looked up said that Fenris and Isabela don’t sleep together until later in the game around Act 3.
I like Isabella shes very funny but im not fan of her romance because shes not loyal faithful she flirt and sleep with other people even when her and hawke in relationship you can change her if you go on rivalry path with her
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Notice that when Fenris turned against your Hawke, he immediately killed Anders in one attack :D That was the payback for all Anders's horrible questions lol
Pleasant surprise I still think Isabella is the best romance option
I'm afraid this is DA2. Everyone's angry all the time 😂 Once you get used to the fact that the party dynamic often feels very different from DAO, it's easier to appreciate this bunch of misfits on their own merits. The same goes for the story overall, too.
I'm a little sad you weren't more patient with Isabela; I guess I wasn't as surprised as you that the "worldly" facade would protect against intimacy. But I also get that for you it was the latest in a long list of such things; timing is everything. Regardless, loving the stream, and hope you are enjoying your time!
I was sad over the Izzy stuff too. But, I really try to make decisions that are best for the character. Shen might have pined after Izzy, but Hawke is a whole nother ball game
DA2 companions are probably the messiest and most complicated companions in the whole series, but that's just kind of a thing in Dragon Age. You're rarely going to find someone where you love every little thing about them; they'll be confrontational, rude, lovely, amazing, and their stories will make you want to protect them while their actions will make you want to slap them.
The crew you were traveling with is definitely the emo crew, though, with lots of angst in the backstory and not a lot of compassion for alternate points of view. It's a little hard to put together a group that won't have at least a little bit of conflict.
So well put, DA2 companions are lovable and infuriating, often not in that order lol
The emo crew 🤣🤣🤣. That’s so funny. I heard Bright Eyes for the first time in a long time last night and thought “yep, that’s Fenris’ kinda music” lol
Loved the episode. I decided to finish my Inquisition play through in order to stay ahead of you and so I won’t feel torn about watching yours 😅. Watching you play the last two is also a good refresher. 😃
That’s awesome! I’m glad you decided to finish it! Did you enjoy it?
@@_shhenanigans_ I’m still working on it. There is a lot to like about it even if some things I didn’t. But I am enjoying it again and it’s definitely worth playing. I left it unfinished too long.
you can always say you romance Varric built you just never told your party members
He’d probably friend zone Hawke 🤣. I love having him as a bestie tho
You don't like dresses too. A kindred spirit. Just a little advice. Nothing spoilerly. Try to walk around more instead of just fast traveling. Even though you do sometimes. Like if you're going to the chantry walk through Hightstown. Like if you're visiting Merrill same thing just walk through lowdown. Extra dialogue that way.
56:26. that book is part of a puzzle systems in this quest, no spoilers, it gives you extra attribute points if you solve it
I had my female Hawke to be in relationship with Isabela, and while the start of the romance is not really romantic, it fits her character. If you insist on "bringing feelings into sex" she'll tell how she was sold to a man at a very young age to be his wife. She treats the sex casually but she's afraid to really fall for someone, afraid that someone might like the real her. I feel like it's fiting for her to stay with a woman at the end, because female Hawke can understand her and relate to her sttrugles more.
Let's go! What a pleasant surprise
Well done with Waking Nightmares, its very easy to not get the "Good" outcome. Though it was close.
"Is Sebastian a good person?"
Yes. Yes he is. Probably more than any other members of your group apart from Aveline. Most of your party is pretty shady; those two are upstanding citizens and nice people as well (not flawless, of course, but "nice"). Maybe Merrill too, very sweet and innocent but also a blood mage.
I mean maybe he is on like a personal level, but for societal issues Sebastian might be the worst, very much wanting things to more or less stay the same. I would argue saying he is a nice person would be a more apt description. (Nevermind what happens in SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS, iykyk) In some ways there is a similar issue with Aveline, though to a less severe degree. I agree with you on Merrill though, her blood magic might be a bit risky, but she never uses it on other people
YES ROMANCE ISABELAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA edit: damn you rejecting isabela had me reload an old save just to go kiss her lmaoooo
Suuuuuuuurrrrrprise! Gotta keep ya on your toes!
@@_shhenanigans_ i’m starting a new playthrough as i’m typing this 😂😂😂
Romance Merrill! I’m joking - im just parroting what SOOOO many have said to me in the comments lol
@@_shhenanigans_ i played the game so many times and i romanced everyone, that now i just go isabela each time i replay it. her arc is written very well. as i said in another comment some time ago she is your ride or die wife! ;)
6:01, same family, but and I specify this, NOT SPOILERS, he sadly passed away during the three year time skip. RIP Lord Harriman you were a real one.
Yeah theres some banters and lines with Anders and Fenris that made me not like Anders (his personnality, cause i love the character)... He goes far sometimes... even if Fenris is also to blame he seem to never take it as far as him 😅
And dont be too hard on Fenris the game wanted to bring drama in the fade and can do it with practicly all the companions you got very lucky with Fenris 😂😭
As someone who choose the friendship route with Fenris its always weird to see the rival route... He talks really harshly to you...😬
Yea, I was told basically the only person that isn’t a turd in the fade is Varric. I don’t know if that’s true, but dang 🤷♀️🤣 damned either way
@@_shhenanigans_ Nope even Varric can betray you ahaha
But I think you have to be in the rival path with him thats why everybody thinks its not possible
After all that you are going though in this episode, I see that you chose the title of the video concentrating on the important things XD
Didn't you recently say that you wanted someone to make a move on you instead of the player always initiating? Well, here comes Isabela... Btw, the answer for your romantic problems - Fenris? Isabela? Anders? Anyone?- is obviously Merrill ;)
1:22:18 to be fair to Anders, you thought it was cute when he said it!
But yeah, I don’t blame you for not going for Isabella. I wouldn’t have liked it either.
I understand the Fenris-lovers out there, but he makes me so mad during the Feynriel quest and just in general so I always end up hating him!
Also, ISABELLA TIME, BABEY! Her scene is my favorite, I think! But I also understand feeling off about it at the time. Some of the romance in this game feels a little rushed compared to the slow build of Origins and Inquisition
I was devastated at the end of act 1 at the loss of Bethany, not only was she a cool companion and my sister, it meant Anders was my only healer and I had to have him and his moaning in my party 😒
The companions in Act 2 are so funny at times, I hadn't played the game in years and had forgotten most of the lines. I broke down laughing more then once ☺
I can see that about Anders. But to be fair…there are probably a lot of players out there that don’t mind his moaning 🤣🤣💀. Okay, okay that was probably too far
And they really are so funny! So many of their lines are outrageous and hilarious. They are written so well!
@@_shhenanigans_ I was taking a drink of water while watching a cut scene, Aveline said something and the water went everywhere, once I finished laughing I had to clean it all up 🤣
Anders annoyed allot of the fan base when the game was first released, basically as soon as Hawke meets him he just cracks onto him/her. Not sure if it was some kind of glitch or intentional, but I think Bioware had to patch it out. Someone in the comments may remember the exact detail
I think the greatest sadness of having Bethany leave is the fact we lost one healer and stuck with Anders who'll beef almost everyone else in the party (and worse if you want mage firepower and bring Merril along). I romanced Anders, but I know how frustrating his banter could be lol.
And I can understand you rejecting Isabella after all that. She basically screams "I am red flag, please no" to you all the while, it is hard to 'let her take you' when she really doesn't value 'loyalty' the same way (mostly in sexual means) so it takes a huge load of trust and strong principle to be with her and *feel secure and content* with her. I can't say it aint rewarding but yeah. In a way it gives a lot of different flare regarding romance in DAO and I think that's super cool. One of the things that make DA2 special is how grey everything is.
Welcome to the point of no return
The more you flirt with more than 1 the harder it is for them to commit to the relationship. But that scene will happen with whoever your romance is the furthest
Sebastian Anders and Fenris have the wildest dialogues. some are funny, some really interesting and deep.. and some are wildly inappropriate.. especially Anders's questions to Fenris. he really has no filter I'm surprised Fenris doesn't deck him in the face lol
I made the mistake of traveling with fenris, anders and a romanced Merrill.big mistake
Wildly inappropriate! Fenris got his lick back tho - saw his chance in the Fade and took Anders out 🤣🤣
@@_shhenanigans_ if it may interest you, varric is the only companion that doesn't get tempted in the fade
Once again, writing my comment as I watch, no editing, just pure rambles~
Ah. You have met Sebastian properly, I'm not his biggest fan, too pious and religious to my taste, but his voice really is good and he is mighty pretty.
I personally think Fenris and Anders are kind of the opposite sides of the same coin. They've both been in the position of the oppressed, and they both are incredibly traumatised and hurt by their experiences. Anders has definitely thought of suicide before as a way to escape, and I think that's why he asked Fenris if he's had similar thoughts.
Yay, Justice!
I think you've now opted out of Isabela's romance, DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THIS. But you could have romanced someone else even after sleeping with Isabela. anyway, I never turn her away personally lol
I bet Sebastian was such a player before the chantry 🤣. That would have been interesting to explore, but as of right now with how he comes across, I just don’t think he and my Hawke would mesh well.
The Isabella scene had me so sad. I think that’s the one I really wanted for my Hawke until it got to that part. It just feels like SO much push, with very little pull from the companions. At some point Hawke had to be like “okay, I hear ya” right?! How much rejection can a girl take 😭. Honestly, my head canon is that Hawke was kinda reading the room and knew that if she said yes to Izzy, she was gonna get that kind of response, so broke her own heart and turned her down.
@@_shhenanigans_ pushing for it would have actually continued the romance, not locked in fully yet, but something would have shifted. but I do agree that almost all of the romancing is on Hawke and getting positive reactions to flirting only to be ultimately turned down really gets to you. We shall see if you end up romancing anyone as a Hawke, I mean, it's not mandatory after all lol but all of the romance options are quite angsty for one reason and another. saying anymore than this would count as spoilers 😉 so shush me
Also yes, I think I would have liked Sebastian without chantry indoctrination a lot more than I do his current self. I generally recruit him and then toss him in the corner lolol
@@_shhenanigans_ There are short storys abt the Companions and their Background, and Sebastians Short story shows indeed that he was a player bevore the chantry! haha But thats not something you will ever notice or read in the actually game! Without the short story (you can read them online) i would never thought that haha
I Think Sebastion ist he only one who doesnt romance you if you kissed or slept with another Companion! So he is locked after that
I was wondering, I saw some of your Mass Effect playthroughs but don't see the 3rd game. Have you played it or do you plan on getting back to it later?
I think the EA app performs really poorly when playing two games on it. When I started DA, while playing ME, it logged me out of the app for two weeks, deleted all my achievements and for whatever reason all of my game time. It eventually figured itself out, but ME never performed the same. I plan to get back to it sometime after I finish Inquisition. I can only play ME3 for the first time once and I don’t want it to be all janky because of the app.
Sebastian is voiced by Alec Newman, an accomplished Scottish actor. For me, he'll always be Paul from the SciFi channel's Dune mini-series.
For me, Sebastian is pretty much only good as a wet blanket. Need a way to kill the mood, he's your man. All the charm of Jacob from Mass Effect with an added pinch of religion.
Jacob was done dirty by the writers! He was a great character at the start of ME2! By the end….well….i blame the writers for that.
I agree with that, to an extent. For me, the prime suspect in what made Jacob a lame companion whoever decided what powers would be. He was basically a lesser version of Grunt, except technically Biotic.
Personal opinion, my hawke can only handle Fenris in small doses. Given his eagerness to being abrasive towards mages in the party can’t do it. I like Avaline because she doesn’t give any problematic vibes. Isabella and Varric are interchangeable. Either your best bud or the pirate with no filter. Bethany for the first act then Merrill. Hawke has this emptiness after having his sister always there and Merrill needs ppl.
I've romanced both Fenris and Anders, and no shade to either of them (let me repeat lol no shade, don't come for me anders/fenris girlies) but Anders has some vile, piss-poor, disgusting takes about slavery. To the point it almost doesn't line up with the rest of his character. I feel like the older I get the harder it is to overlook the comments and the way I'm not sure if they mesh with the rest of him. There's one quest in particular (being vague to avoid spoilers) with Fenris where Anders says some things that make me want to yeet him into the sun lmao I like every character in this game, don't get me wrong, but like... oof.
I feel like after I finish DA2 I should look up all kinds of think pieces on these characters. I’d bet there is for sure one out there that thinks the same way as you - that Anders doesn’t make sense sometimes.
Before people start laying in on anders, he is massively flawed yes but I definitely have empathy for him , he was sent to the circle when he was 12 by his father so already hes betrayed by like the one person who he loves, and its not made explicit in the game but karl the mage you try to save that gets made tranquil was his lover from the ferelden circle, so the templars murder the one person he loves and now he is just this tortured soul, which is a shame that fenris and anders clash so much, when they have so much in common
I wonder if I would have still flirted with Anders if I knew Karl was his lover. I think I’d probably feel similar to how I felt with aveline being a widow. I wish they had included all that tho. Not that I think he needs rounding out, but it would have been good to know about him
@@_shhenanigans_ There were lots of complaints when the early games came out, about the sexual fluidity of characters, particularly the male ones, my guess is it's because of that
David Gaider (Main Writer of Dragon Age) said once that he intentionally didn't give us Varric as a romance option because he feels a romance between the companion and the player distracts the companion from his personal story a bit.
And he didn't want to design Varric's character around a romance, he had the feeling he would have to change Varric for it (If i got it right!)
Maybe that's why all romances in Dragon Age are such that you feel pushed away. Maybe that was the way out for the writers and especially David Gaider, to write romances but at the same time have the personal story of the companions in the foreground, like Alistair's “King Story”.
Now that you've mentioned it, I can think of soooo many examples even in Inquisition
But there are ALSO romance options that are Like "You and Me Against the WORLD"
I neeeeeeeed an us against the world romance. Or one where the companion actually likes the MC from the jump 😭🤣. Please BioWare, stop making companions that constantly reject and push me away. I’m too soft hearted and insecure for all that mess 🤦♀️
But that does make sense about writing them in a way that allows them to complete an arc. Just don’t hurt my feelings in the process 🥲
I feel like Leliana was that in Dragon Age origins! She is also always the one who flirt with me first.
I feel that so much!
I love my tragic romances too, don't get me wrong, but my fiancé in real life doesn't want to play “Together Against the World” with me either haha, at least someone in Dragon Age should do .
Maybe Merrill is someone for you? I'm curious to see how it develops, and if it stays romance-less that's fine too isnt it?
Personally, that feels like a bad reason. A romance doesn’t have to interrupt a companion story. It can even enhance it sometimes
Eh, I don’t really get why people like Izabella so much 🤣
I think the overall favorite is Merrill based on my comments
So as mentioned by many below, Sleeping with Isabella doesn't exclude any romance nor does it lock you in with Isabella. At that point in time Isabella has slept with Anders and Fenris too. She also eyes up Carver if he is alive and makes a couple passes at Merrill too, its just her nature. The only two she doesn't flirt with are Aveline and Sebastian.
I’m actually really irritated that I even had to look up this information and be spoiled by this, because YES Isabela sleeping with both Anders and Fenris is a spoiler. But FYI, everything I just looked up said that Fenris and Isabela don’t sleep together until later in the game around Act 3.
@@_shhenanigans_ I'm sorry I swear I thought it was during act two! Truly sorry about this one
I like Isabella shes very funny but im not fan of her romance because shes not loyal faithful she flirt and sleep with other people even when her and hawke in relationship you can change her if you go on rivalry path with her