Air to Water Intercoolers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- In this Tech Tip Tuesday, Doug talks about Air to Water Intercoolers.
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I would love to see the interchiller and an affordable intake intercooler manifold for a coyote.
Good to see @DaviesCraig in your video
Another excellent TTT! Great consultative style Doug - and don’t hold back “pimping” your products, you back it up every time with solid info. Thanks.
What I don’t understand is. How does a video like this only get 765 likes. Very knowledgeable. Thanks Doug I love being able to learn something new every time I watch your channel. Motion FTW.
Thank you, we are just here to help! For us it’s not a popularity contest, just want to improve customers builds and make racing easier and more fun!
I just put a air to water intercooler on my twinTurbo coyote. I was A little lost with air to water. Thank you Doug now I know how to use it. 💪🏼💪🏼
yes!!!!! I am pretty sure I did this. Thank you guys for listening and thank you for being the amazing company you are!!!!!
Just like a turbo blanket for unwanted heat...my sister chopped up a old thick uhaul moving blanket for wrapping the ice box and did it in one piece and sewed it with wide elastic to stretch around the tank and and fliptop velcro for the lid. it works well on the hot humid rips at the track
Or just wrap it with foam insulation???
A mate and I made an interchiller setup on a 7 sec Ford Capri with a Barra engine, he’s getting -10°C intake air temps cruising around then highest it’ll get too in this hot Australian weather is 28°C. Safe to say it works bloody awesome!
That’s awesome, I think we are going to try and add that to our blue Nova In the shop.
@@MotionRaceworksOfficial it is a must! We just made it ourselves my mate is a aircon mechanic a bit of trail and error got it there. The FI Interchiller’s are a very great kit though 👌
The GTO is definitely getting a/c and a interchiller this winter. Will complement the shearer fab intercooler well also won't be sweating my ass off on drag week/race week events as well as on the way to work 😆😆
SHEEEEEW BUDDY, that intake sure does have a purdy mouth ! lol
I’d like to see the guts of an air conditioner used to cool both the water in that air to water intercooler. Yes it adds a little weight but the water can be kept just above zero. Would make for an interesting test. Maybe you guys could do a collaborative thing with the guys at HVACR Videos. The days of getting ice would be over.
...this is brilliant. If you did an evap coil in an intercooler and tied back into the AC system, you could still be comfortable in your race car!
You guys are fast lol. I just dropped this suggestion last week. Love the content guys, great info!
There is almost no length to the intake runners though. Better to have proper length intake runners, than no bends in the runners.
Well done!
Cover the Australian inter cooler you mentioned!
Awesome video. We do a ton of FI Interchillers being down here in Florida and it's pretty wild how well they work.
The audio is great...well done.
I learn something new with each video.
Thanks for sharing this going be my first time in turbo learning as I go
Another great TT! Thanks Doug.
In Louisiana this heats soaks for road use... timing is back all the way out in blown truck and turbo LS so we have gone back to a A2A triple core for daily.Track... ice it up baby! Thanks
This is awesome Doug.
Thanks for sharing
I love my csf charge cooler in my BMW F80zcp. It's far superior to the stock one. It does a great job with the twin turbos
Thanks for the info Doug.
Great video. Exactly the situation I’m on with the air/water on the drag car on my channel right now
Thanks this helps a lot with my next slash first build
That is sick as hell! Makes me want to boost my sbc.
Inner Chiller sounds like a cool deal running off of the A/C I will check that one out. Good video
Tekno performance does those interchiller kits.
Awesome answered several questions!
Cold snacks 😏
You, Did A Good Tech. Report
Dang you guys are smart theirs a lot to this thanks for the video great job on race week
Shew, Buddy!
If you have ice left after a run that means you have room for improvement. If the water moves to quickly through the core it isn't in there long enough to absorb all the heat it can. Works in a similar way if you take the complete thermostat out of your cooling system. Without the restriction the water flow is to fast and your engine can run hotter. That's why if you don't want to run a thermostat you just take out the middle so there is still a restriction. You can even purchase restriction plates to put in when you don't run a thermostat.
Q (Energy) = 500 x f x DeltaT (in F)
Q = rate of heat transfer (Btu/hr.)
f= flow rate (gallons per minute or gpm)
DeltaT = temperature change (degrees F)
This is the calculation for BTU transfer using water. If you'll notice, flow rate is a major contributing factor to heat exchange. The faster the water moves, the more heat exchange happens. This is why electric water pumps are horsepower limited depending on flow rate. This is the same principle as the radiator. Less air flow lowers the cooling capacity which is why you need fans. Water is no different.
The reason an engine can run hotter with no thermostat is heat soak. Eventually the radiator will heat up to the same temperature as the engine because it is never allowed to cool. The thermostat allows all of the fluid in the radiator to cool to ambient temperature so that when the thermostat opens, the engine receives a large amount of cooled liquid. If the liquid is never allowed to cool, as soon as air stops flowing over the radiator it will begin to heat up because it is already the same temperature as the engine. As long as the vehicle is moving it isn't an issue, but as soon as you stop you'll begin to overheat. This concept is the entire reason cars come with cooling fans to begin with. They knew that heat exchange needs flow to work. A good set of electric fans with a shroud and adjustable temp control will mitigate this. The stock fans usually don't flow enough to overcome this phenomenon when running without a thermostat as they are designed to not come on until the vehicle gets too hot for comfort (usually around 220 degrees) Hope this clears everything up for you.
Always something to learn. I wonder why no one has ever experimented with an na car. Nitrous almost accomplishes the same on na motor. I. Would like to see tech tip on fi nitrous kit both wet and dry
Nitrous is not street legal in my state, even in small amounts. If the hose is even connected, youre in violation. But it would be interesting to see how much it could cool on a na car.
I am a appliance technician and I know that every 45-degree bend on dryer exhaust counts as 5 ft of straight piping
Changing from TBI to EFI on SBC. I cant really find many videos on it. Its the original numbers matching engine so I dont want to LS swap it. To quote VGG, "I dont know!" Lol the cold snacks reference
Great info......keep em coming
I just watched your video and an ad popped up for the same water pump 220 for 1 + 390 the other
That "Y" connector though!
the engineering behind piping is a 90 degree bend is equal to 10 feet of pipe.
Great vid. Thank you.
Great video.
Should do a video on the killer chiller they are bad ass
For the street in the summer I was gonna try ice packs underneath the air intake filter
Great content thanks for sharing, very informative
I always see "1000 HP rated" etc when I am looking at cores. Are these numbers the manufacturers throw around based on a supply of ice water and only 1/4 mile worth of use? How much of an upscale in intercooler core size would you need to make if you were using ambient air to cool the water (large ducted radiator) and on boost for something like a standing mile, or even a few time attack laps?
Nice to have poeple willing to talk about this shit not everyone knows this info and there are alot of kids needing this just nice to have good poeple willing to explain it and I know motion helps there customs out as much as they can form what alot of poeple who use there parts say
I always enjoy TTT and I don’t even have a race car lol. For many years I’ve been a spectator and enjoy the science AND common sense of how fast drag cars function.
I am curious if you’re making any updates to the nova (things you wish you had done differently before) since it’s getting a major overhaul? I did enjoy watching it at rmrw and bout had a stroke seeing it in the shut down at Pueblo 😳😝
These are awesome I currently saving up to build a ls 3 series bmw for next years of the year after Rocky Mountain race week looking to run high 9s with acthe whole way lol
Hey Doug I know this is a old video and you might not get this message but back in the days guys would use a fuel chiller can like a soup can with a coil of pipe running through it and you just add ice to that so do those things work or having a fuel chiller can not worth having one.
When you are cruising with little to no boost wouldn't it be best to leave the water pump on? If the pump is on, the intercooler is going to act as a radiator, cool unboosted air flowing through it will remove the heat from the water, keeping temps down for the next hard run.
reduced friction cooler air all good stuff
Hell.yeah brother
can you update us on the blue Nova please and the S10 thanks great video I enjoy watching them
How would an air to water intercooler do for a twin turbo daily driver car? I am not overly concerned about if it would cool the air intake temperature adequately because I imagine that it would. However I am concerned about using an air to water intercooler in the winter. As water expands when it freezes and I have seen many things break because of this.
I wanna see how you would set up a chiller!
What came first, the ice or the water?
I don’t know why auto manufacturers don’t use the AC coolant running through an intercooler brick on engines like Ecoboost
Do they make those water pumps large enough/enough flow to use in place of the engines water pump? In a turbo daily driver application where engine bay space is extremely limited, and would that be a viable option for a daily driver?
Question why don't we use air conditioning to chill the water
What’s the rule of thumb on tank mounting height vs cooling brick (LSA in my case). Is it important to keep the lines level and tank higher or equal to the brick vs pumping uphill? Are air pockets a concern?
Have you done any discussions on fuel coolers yet?
Can you make one for the Kia Stinger 3.3 TT. I hate plastic intakes that are blocking spark plugs!!
Cooling system for cars with little to no air flow in the front
Silicon type works from heavy Truck parts
I think they ment daily drive to be hot laps between red lights . After you don't have cool water flowing , how does that affect timing , air /fuel mix.
I have an idea that I've never seen before. You should design an intercooler tank that's...INSULATED! Wouldn't that be a great idea Doug? Every tank I've seen is bare metal. The ice will melt on its own in a short time. Some insulation will definitely keep that water colder for much longer(who wants warm beer 😉). I'll bet you could sell lots of them. Have a great day!
Use a yeti cooler.
Ok, so what about an intake intercooler with a street/autocross car?
Which cools better the front mount air to water or the intake mount air to water. Was wondering if the longer distance from cooler to engine would give it more time cool down
Silicon type hose
Plz do a video on water/meth kits
How important is the airdam on the front of the Nova? At what ET/speed would one become a 'necessity'?
On my supercharged car you have to run the intercooler pump otherwise it will lock up the blower
Is that style a2w intercooler as effective as an a2w one that would be mounted in the back seat or passenger seat
I was kicking around the idea of running a air to water setup on top of my air to air with my 06 Duramax but with a rad not a tank just wondering what you think ?
Thanks
Is the ice cooling the water or is the water warning the ice?
What would happen if you use dry ice
Do you put like a fuel filter in the line to keep small ice from entering the pump
Just bought that intercooler for my gto did you paint that with rattle can wrinkle black or is that powder coated? Wasn't sure if a intercooler could be powder coated or not tbh
How about a interchiller that runs off your a/c !
Interchiller would work great with this right? Or no?
Trying to switch over to a top mount intercooler but i run ls7 style heads.Holley dosent make a low profile intake for that style. What are your thoughts on running ls7 to ls3 intake adapter plates ? Motor is 427 twin 6766.Thanks
What do you think the best hose is for weight savings?
Can you guys ship parts out to Australia ??
What is the temperature of the water during a pass that leaves the intercooler?
Is -12AN big enough for the water lines?
Great video. Do you sell the Davies Craig pumps? Which model are you using on your Nova?
We are using this one www.motionraceworks.com/products/davies-craig-ewp150-alloy-electric-water-pump-12v-8160
@@MotionRaceworksOfficial Thanks so much!
I would love to see Dyno results of Cooler vs No Cooler. How big of a difference does this make? Is this a last 10hp part or a 50hp part?
It’s more a keep your pistons in the engine part. A hot air charge is prone to detonation. One could argue it’s worth a ton of power because without charge cooling you can’t make much boost or use much timing safely.
@@MotionRaceworksOfficial Perfect. Sounds like my new LS needs a new part. Appreciate the knowledge. I am putting together half of what you have but 1000 HP isn't much if the pistons don't stay inside.
Yes sir, for reference you can get away with an air to air style a lot of times, it doesn’t have to be an intercooler just like the one in the video. But you certainly want something that is going to cool the charge
do you have a submergible EWP that you recommend? I'm tight on space and the nice thing about the bilge pumps is they are inside of the tank hidden away.
be good to know the gallons per minute of the davis craig cause im a fan of the bilge pump they move a lot of water just need to mach it to a
bilge pump
Ice tank for 6 packs of bee....soda.....or anything you wanna keep cool
Yes son, anything you want to keep cold lmao
Great info, and way too technical... just the way I like it😎
What’s the part number on that pump you use???
Would it be worth it for a p1sc? I’m just now getting the car back together after toasting the ring lands on two separate occasions
Jason Riley runs it on his wildly over spun SBF pro charger combo and it works like a dream!
@@MotionRaceworksOfficial I appreciate the reply. After my Block returns from #TKM(I cannot figure out how to tag the shop, but THE Kevin Mullins is the man), I will be hopefully putting a 4 inch stroke crank in, and forged pistons / rods. I’m ready for this thing to never break again, but I’m a trying to do all this as a traumatic brain injury survivor that’s got DICK for money…smh
I have followed motion for years, and it’s fucking awesome to see the company grow in the way that it has. Starting my first LS swap in 2006, got a brain injury in 2014. Now I’m just trying to get a six point no, T 56 made of glass, And a worn out P1SC to make a little bit of power. I plan to take this car on a road trip starting on route 66 in Chicago, taking that bitch all the way to the Pacific coast highway. I need to get this done man. I need to prove to myself that I can still be worth a fuck. To everybody that My read this: PTSD and depression is FUCKING REAL. I have been struggling to make myself a wrench on this car after the last time number seven and number five ring lands turned to shit. I’m hoping it is, and the email that I just wrote motion race works is the start of the movement in the opposite direction of the pendulum. If you’ve made it this far, do me a favor and hop on my page and at least give me a like or comment or something. It might give me the motivation would be worth a fuck today
@@dickyevery3956 Hope you get better, and yes it definitely is real and can be completely debilitating. What sucks is people look at you and say well you look just fine, just deal with it blah blah. It really shows wtf they know about it a.k.a. absolutely nothing. Hope the project turns out awesome!
@@alreed2434 I appreciate you man. I know the acronym TBI stood for throttlebody injection to me before April 20, 2014.
There are 2.2 million people a year that receive traumatic brain injury….How in the fuck is this still so unknown?! I mean, everybody knows about CTE and they are starting to get a grasp on our veterans that have received neurological damage. But what about the dude that got knocked in the head really really hard? What about the middle-age woman that fell on some ice and smacked her head the wrong way? It’s crazy to me man. They Classify a mild Trumatic brain injury by the amount of time unconscious. 15 minutes or less, your mild. 17 minutes….severe. Like WTF man
What do you guys offer for a air to water for a BBC with a ProCharger?
Do you think its worth it on a procharged street car
Why not insulate the tank ?
You definitely can! We don’t because if it springs a leak it’s easier to fix if it’s exposed aluminum a
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Where would I buy this intercooler
Shearerfabrications.com
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Are intercoolers even necessary????
#cleetusmcfarland