Leaving King Triton off the list seems like an oversight. I’d put him slightly below the neutral-toxic line, as his actions are abusive but he ultimately regrets them and supports her choices.
I agree because as much as Triton loves his daughters he isn’t really a good father he’s neglectful and easily angered, and he maliciously destroyed his youngest daughters prized collection and though he looked sorry after the fact he didn’t actually apologize for what he did. If he had explained the reasons behind his fear of the surface world than Ariel would have understood better, much like other parents on this list their biggest issues stem from poor communication on both ends, because Ariel also could have talked to him about what was going on and why she felt so trapped.
I’d also say Ariel and Melody’s relationship should be mentioned. However, that was in a direct-to-DVD sequel, so I’m not too upset they left that out.
Also leaving out Goofy's relationship with his son Max and everyone of the Madrigal parents from Encanto. If I knew where to put the former, it would be like somewhere in The Grey Area. Goofy has risked his life to help Max with his troubles; even if Max is making this relationship a bit rocky. Still you could see the reason why Goofy truly loves his son like a real parent. Encanto would be in three different sections. With Mirabel's parents they deserve to be in The Healthy Section; but not quite at the highest, since we don't see much of their relationship with the two elder daughters. We mainly focused more on Julieta and Agustín's view of their daughter Mirabel, and I must say it's pretty wholesome. They don't question why Mira doesn't want to have powers and they tried everything to cheer her up. But the best thing about those two is when the whole Bruno situation starts to bring chaos, we see them stand up for their daughter(especially in the case of Agustín). And when Casita started to collapse, we see Julieta try to reach out and protect Mira from danger. And that's what I call good parenting. Pepa and Félix's relationship with their children would be sort of in The Grey Area. Yes, we see them interact during Antonio's coming of age ceremony. And yes, we know Félix is trying to balance out his wife. But if there was more focus on their family, we wouldn't have shown Abuela's advantage on those events. Speaking of which, Abuela Alma's relationship with her children, in-laws and grandchildren can be considered toxic. I mean, why did she think that not talking about Bruno would be considered a good idea? She didn't stand up to him the same way Mirabel's parents did. And speaking of her relationship with Mira, who could've thought that during the scene where Alma blames everything on her granddaughter would be something to learn about. Even if all is forgiven, her advantage on the family caused dysfunctionality.
@@amitaikatz5929 I haven’t seen Encanto yet, but I’d put Goofy way up at the top of the list. He’s a great dad, and any issues they have are just a normal part of growing up.
Lottie is actually a really underrated character, her dreams of marrying a prince and becoming a princess were crushed by her own friend, and was still happy for her
Not to mention, when Tiana's costume was messed up, Lottie gave her a dress to wear and the dress looks amazing on her. Lottie said she has the perfect dress for her and with that execution, tells us how much she truly does value Tiana. Especially when she pays Tiana for her bineighs for the costume ball. Which also helped Tiana earn more money for her restaurant.
13:02 There is a big difference between Mulan and Moana in the societies that contextualize their stories. Mulan did not actually express an aversion to their customs or a want for something else; she tried to fit in, and just wasn't good at it, and her parents were very understanding of that with the talk her father had with her after she failed with the match maker.
I think people forget this. Mulan wasn’t some badass bloodthirsty tomboy warrior. She was nervous about the whole matchmaking thing, but she was mostly nervous about messing it up (which she did, through her clumsiness). She was actually pleased with the makeover.
@@erinbrown3744 I think grandma had more blame in messing up the matchmaking because the cricket is why Mulan failed. Mulan grabbed the cup back because of the cricket and the matchmaker set herself on fire because the cricket was in her dress. Sure, she might’ve been retroactively failed when the matchmaker realized she cheated, but that’s not what happened
It is also a really good point that Mulan's dad talked to her after the matchmaker, pointing out that one blossom was a late bloomer and proclaiming that he believes it'll be the most beautiful of all. The important thing is that he accepted her BEFORE she went to war vs Moana's dad didn't take her seriously or accept her as she was until after she saved everyone. Mulan didn't have to "prove herself" to "earn" her father's support.
I’d have to disagree on the 1 with the lion king. Simba likely wouldn’t have been old enough to comprehend how Sarabi would’ve felt losing him. Plus he went into exile in the 1st place, because he was made to believe he was responsible for his father’s death (plus the hyenas or Scar would’ve likely killed him had he returned thus ruining the whole point of that argument). I also agree with some people here that “mother” Gothel was worse than Buck Cluck, cause at least Cluck attempted to mend the relationship in the end.
Taking Tangled the series into consideration Mother Gothal is much worse as she abandoned her own biological daughter Cassandra when she found Rapunzel. Also What about Zira, Nuka, Vitani, and Kovu? Zira ia stright up cruel to all three. Starving Nuka and the rest of the pride for Vitani and Kovu, scaring Kovu after he did nothing to help them kill Simba, then threatening to kill Vitani when she joined Simba.
Thank you! Was going to say the same thing! Simba was a child when that happens! He's essentially a lion equivalent to a 5 year old, 8 year old at the oldest! And traumatized to boot! Cut the poor lion some slack!
Yeah! Not only that but he didn't come back because of Nala! Remember he told Napa he wasn't coming back! He came back after getting over his Geif and talking with Refeki and the ghost of Mafasha!
I think most of the gray spots on this list are actually some of the best written characters overall. Especially John Silver, that has to be the most underrated Disney character ever. Also I wanna dispute the King Stefan rating due to the fact that he in fact had a whole damn argument with King Hubert that almost ended their friendship over whether Aurora and Philip should marry right away.
I have to disagree with you when you said Simba only returns because of Nala, he was tempted but still made it clear he wasn’t going back. Only after he saw his father his heart was set on going back to challenge Scar to save everyone.
And this was just before WB would talk about what he thought would be a controversial choice, but I think THIS might just be an even more controversial take that is made to make Simba sound a lot worse than he actually is as if he were Sonic from the 2000s Archie Comics tricking (maybe even in a way that is intentionally GASLIGHTING) his own friends into thinking that he was dead after #135 (I know Sally Acorn took it the wrong way with an “I HATE YOU NOW, SONIC, BECAUSE YOU NEVER WANTED TO BE MY FUTURE HUSBAND!!!!!!!!!” slap (which has thankfully been regretted in #187 with the magic of Ian Flynn and his team of Archie Sonic fixers as of 2006-2016/IDW Sonic makers from 2018-future), but still!!!!! While he was right to think that could have taken his friends with him to end this war with Dr. Eggman!!!!! THAT, my friends, is something that not even Simba (well, at least in the 1994 version) would go as far as to do because I think Coco Beans really said it all best about his (or her) defense of Simba.
As bad as Chicken Little and Buck Clucks relationship is, it is definitely not worse then Rapunzel and Mother Gothel as there was no redemption of that relationship at the end unlike Chicken Little and Buck Cluck.
Eeeh I agree that on a technical level Gothel is more toxic, but Buck is more jarring because we're supposed to want him and Chicken Little to repair things when in reality, I want Chicken little to go no contact the second he turns 18. Meanwhile, the expectation for Rapunzel to get away was always the main goal. Aside from that, Buck's change didn't feel genuine. Due to bad writing, he made an abrupt 180. It evoked less genuine healing and more the fact that abusers consistently apologize while not making any meaningful change. Gothel is 100% the worse person, but I don't think Buck should get any points for the ending.
I really thought King Triton would have made the list for sure; calling him downright toxic might be a bit much so having him at the bottom of the gray area sounds good.
Did you seriously ding Gepetto for not walking Pinnocchio to school, and even called it 'negligence???' Back in 1940 when the film was made that was 100% the norm, and NO ONE would have considered that negligent in anyway.
Well, they also, in a previous video, compared the family relationships in "Turning Red" and "Brave", viewing them both in a modern perspective, so obviously Turning Red came out looking vastly superior (in terms of "healthy" family relationships) to Brave. Despite the fact that Turning Red takes place in the "modern" age, whereto Brave is set roughly 1000 years ago (and also in feudal Scotland)
I think the difference is that Pinocchio was a wooden puppet five minutes ago and knows absolutely nothing about the world, safety, direction, etc. There was no way that wasn't going to end badly.
True. Hell, kids today still walk or ride their bikes to school by themselves. I hate this stigma that says it's an "old fashioned" thing just because they themselves took the bus or rode a car to school. It moreso depends on where you live rather than what time period you live in, as well as the individual parents themselves.
Don't blame Simba for being wrongfully exiled. Blame SCAR. Scar was the one who blamed Simba for his father's death and told him to run away & never return.
Where would the Encanto parents fit into this list? I feel that Julieta and Augustin would probably be in the Healthy Category as well as Pepa and Felix. They seem to care about their children. Their only flaw seems to be that they let Abuelita Alma use their children's gifts, which leads us to Alma. I think she would be in the Grey Area. She does exploit her children and grandchildren's gifts, but it's not for personal gain, but to help their community. Also, because Mirabel doesn't have a gift, she doesn't seem to treat her like a member of the family, but the good news is that she does apologize and she is willing to better herself at the end. Maybe some would label her as Toxic, but I think she would be Grey Area, since she at least apologizes in the end.
I'm going to say auggie comes out ahead of his wife only because the talk in kitchen scene. Julieta comes off a bit, I guess deaf, to her daughter's complaints. It didn't read at least to me, that she understands what mirabelle is going through. Her father on the other hand immediately identified the potential danger the vision tablet posed for mirabelle and tried to hide it and he stood by his actions to protect her when confronted.
@@catandrobbyflores - I totally get this. Juliéta has a bit of the “toxic positivity” vibe going (telling Mirabel “you are perfect just the way you are” when she is obviously expressing insecurities) while Agustín really has a heart-to-heart talk with her. He relates more because he married into the family and also doesn’t have powers. Its great to see a father being portrayed positively in kids media. Fathers often get overlooked.
@@LadyHawke78 yes! The woman literally heals the cut on her hand with an English muffin and says "your special too😊" no mom she doesn't feel it and everyone treats her like the dirty secret especially miss perfect Isabella. Her dad doesn't care about powers or the family image just mirabelle.
Yeah, both Alma and Buck are in the gray area for me, since they were morons at the start, but apologized at the end. Same goes for Ming in Turning Red. She was a total idiot to Mei’s friends and destroying the concert, but judging by what happened in the ancestral realm knowing what happened with Ming, I put her in the gray area.
I’m glad Nani and Lilo were put on this list. Yes they’re actually sisters but like you said, Nani is essentially Lilo’s guardian. The movie does a great job showing their struggles as does the series episode “Remy”. In that episode it’s the anniversary of the day the girls lost their parents and Lilo is depressed because of this. Nani tries to make her feel better by making her a peanut butter and anchovy sandwich and Nani even scolded Stitch after he eats the sandwich when Lilo goes up to her room too depressed to eat. Later on when Nani learns of the experiment inside Lilo she gets mad at Jumba and Pleakly. She then sings to Lilo a song that her parents would sing to the girls to help them sleep when they were younger.
Most of it makes sense but I would have definitely switch Buck and Ace with Gothel and Rapunzel, while his actions are definitely toxic, at least he doesn’t keep his kid hostage and forced them into serving an ambition for immortality/beauty
There are at least five characters Buck should be higher like Jim's father, Lady Treimane and manny others. It isnt fair putting him that low simply because its a popular opinion.
Good point. While Buck was neglecting Ace, at least he didn’t abuse him and his powers! (Actually, how could Buck do that if Ace doesn’t have any power?!)
@@Superemie401Agreed. While I’m mad at him for letting his son get bullied by the town, people still treat his redemption at the end as a JOKE. For me, Buck is a “meh” character. I’m mad at him for not trusting his son, but I’m happy that he changed and finally became the father we wanted him to be. In the words of Padme in Star Wars 3: “I know there’s good in him…”
Marie didn't just "wander off", the train made the bridge shake hard enough to make her fall. Duchess does belong in the good tier since the whole mess was not her fault and the poor cat was completely out of her limited scope of the world. I don't think any of them would have made it home without Thomas since he's the only one that knew the way and how to survive in the wilderness.
Yeah. The fact that they likely wouldn’t have survived much less made it back home if it weren’t for Thomas makes it really hard to understand anyone who defends Edgar… Not to mention: realistically the sleeping pills would have killed them and Roquefort and the chances of them surviving the trip to Timbuktu without food and water are practically zero.
Hercules and his two sets of parents have the best relationship ever. They are the kind of parents who everyone would wanna have, they are kind and gentle, patient and wise, they want what is best for their child, and they understand their child’s wants and needs. I wish that they got more credit for being so caring and loving, their relationship needs to be higher up on the good categories list, because they have the healthiest relationship with their son ever! I just can’t believe they’re at number nine! I love them! Their relationship with Hercules is just beyond heartwarming!
Eh, not to rain on your parade, but, if you look at the actual mythology of Zeus..... I wouldn't exactly call him father of the year. But in terms of the movie itself, you're not wrong. :)
I think King Triton has a mixture of being healthy as well as being an toxic parent. His hatred towards humans is understandable if you saw the prequel film and his love for his 7 daughters is one that is almost natural for any father who has to raise them on his own while also managing a kingdom. His anger against his daughter when he discovers that she is in love with a human is where you see the toxic anger side of his parenting but he also regrets being angry and upsetting his daughter almost immediately afterwards. King Triton has all the different facets of both loving relationship as well as toxic in the same character.
I think Koda and his mother should've been on the list; due to how Koda is, it's clear that his mother loves and cares for him the way a parent should and is immediately ready to protect him anytime. And when they were separated, she spends her time trying to find him before her death. Koda brings up his mom a few times, showing that she has taught him a few things to help him in life. And their final reunion is heart-warming.
What makes Frollo even more terrifying as a villain, is the fact that he's a mortal man with political power who genuinely believes that he's a quote en quote "righteous man" who could do no wrong despite the contrary being true. Even worse so, there are people just like him in the real world too.
Buck was an idiot at the first half of Chicken Little but he redeemed himself and realized that it was time to be by his son’s side, not to mention he whupped those aliens and told Melvin to back off! But Gothel and Frollo are WAY worse than Buck. Same goes for Gabriel Agreste and Tomoe Tsurugi (even though Miraculous wasn’t Disney it is now). Minor nitpick, but for Tinker Bell 3: The Great Fairy Rescue (really underrated childhood imo), there’s a parental boundary that needed to be fixed between Lizzy and her dad. Her dad was busy with work all the time and was pretty strict with her daughter, heck he even had winged creatures on the wall! When Tink set the butterfly free, Lizzy took the fall unfortunately, but then Tink told the truth and when Vidia tried to save her, she got trapped by Lizzy’s dad, and everybody flew to save her, and Lizzy convinced her dad that those little fellas very friendly, and Lizzy’s dad finally understood her. After their hug they set Vidia free. I’d put Lizzy and her dad in the gray area.
Thank you!! I always get frustrated that Gepetto doesn't walk Pinocchio to school on his first day. It isn't just the first day of school, it is literally the first day of his life, darnit. A few oversights though: Ariel and King Triton (The Little Mermaid) toxic - she disobeys him repeatedly and he yells at her and destroys her stuff instead of trying to compromise with her. Also, Triton actually favours Ariel over his six other daughters. Jenny Foxworth and her parents (Oliver & Company) toxic - they travel around Europe, leaving their 7-year-old daughter with a butler, who is a better parent, and they don't make the effort to come home for her actual birthday. Hiro and Tadashi Hamada and aunt Cass (Big Hero 6) neutral - Aunt Cass seems to try, but she admits she doesn't have a great hold on parenting, and Hiro lies to her about his activities with Baymax and being a super hero. Penny and her mother (Bolt) neutral - Penny is a child actress, but she doesn't seem happy about it and only wants to spend time with her dog, it takes Penny nearly dying for her mother to finally end her career despite how unhappy she has been. Arthur "the ward" and Sir Ector (The Sword in the Stone) toxic - Sir Ector treats Arthur like a servant and doesn't call him by his real name, though he is a decent father to his actual son Sir Kay, whom he actively encourages in his career goals. Judy Hopps and her parents (Zootopia) toxic - her parents discourage her dream career and promote racist views, though they change their views eventually. Kanga and Roo (Winnie the Pooh franchise) healthy - Kanga is loving and nurturing, but allows for Roo to be part of the action in the Hundred Acre Wood - albeit I don't remember every movie under this franchise, but the classics from 1977 and 2011 are fine. Aladar and Pilo (Dinosaur) healthy - Pilo raises Aladar to be caring and compassionate, and they stick together through their journey, never letting their difference in species tear them apart. Koda and his mother (Brother Bear) neutral - she protects him from danger, but since she dies, that is about as much as you can say about them. And joke mention: Fix-it-Felix and Calhoun to the Sugar Racers (Ralph Breaks the Internet) healthy - the couple make the racers kind and encouraging towards each other making their previously nasty personalities.
I feel like Elsa and Anna’s parents should be in the grey area not toxic. They locked Elsa away but to protect her. The towns people reacted badly when they found out about her powers in the movie and sent Hans to arrest or kill her. Plus they died trying to find a way to help Elsa that could have led to her being able to fix her relationship with Anna much sooner and not fear her powers. Of course they definitely could have handled it better but from what we see they clearly loved their kids and wanted the best for them…they just didn’t know what to do after talking with Pabbie.
To be fair, Casem did leave his wife and son, because he wanted to find the treasure because he wanted to give them a better life, but he heard that his wife died, and did know where Aladdin was! And the reason why he left Aladdin again, is because he was a wanted criminal!
I would have put Rapunzel and her Parents lower down only because of the series. Her dad is kinda..... I just... he's not perfect, no one is but he has some pretty toxic and controlling behavior in the series, which is canon. There are a couple I disagree with but really THANK YOU for calling out Elsa and Anna's parents. They traumatized Elsa. There were told fear would make her powers harder to control and what do they do? immediately erased memories, isolated her, forced her to wear gloves because she shouldn't touch anything. They projected their fear onto their daughter.
@@kristinahuchison2511 Loving someone doesn't mean you can't be toxic towards them. Good intentions or not, all he did was try to lock her away in another tower. He didn't respect her experiences, her skills, her intelligence or her independence as an adult. He lies and manipulates her away from the truth in an attempt to control her and he's willing to endanger his kingdom in order to do it and in order to avoid taking responsibility for his actions. He was extremely toxic in the beginning of the series. He learned better after season 1 and even he admitted he was wrong when he eventually apologized.
@@gserulle323 have you seen the series? Because Fredric just tried locking her up in a different tower and nearly destroyed his kingdom in order to keep her ignorant of his selfish mistakes.
Do these good to evil or other ideas - Fish Hooks - My Gym Partners A Monkey - Open Season - Symbiotic Titan - American Dragon : Jake Long - Rocket Power - The Life and Times of Juniper Lee - Ben 10 * old show - Indiana Jones - Rocko's Modern Life - Mucha Lucha - Cartoon Monkeys and Apes - Cartoon Business Owners / Managers * both Cartoon and Anime - Good to most Good Rick and Morty - Evil to most Evil Cartoon Assassins * both Cartoon and Anime - Evil to most Evil Cartoon Bullys * both Cartoon and Anime - Evil to most Evil Star Wars : The Clone Wars - Weak to Powerful Cartoon Superheroes * both Cartoon and Anime - Weak to Powerful Cartoon Supervillains * both Cartoon and Anime - Which Ben 10 Character Would Win Squid Game? * old show - Which Hey Arnold Character Would Win Squid Game? - Which Tom Kenny Voice Character Would Win Squid Game? - Which Cartoon Network Hero Would Win Squid Game? * Samurai Jack Would Win Squid Game - Which Cartoon Network Villain Would Win Squid Game? - Bart Simpson Deeds For Otakubinge do these ideas - Which Kadokawa Hero Would Win Squid Game? - Which Kadokawa Villain Would Win Squid Game?
Some movie relationships I’m missing here are: The little mermaid Zootopia Raya and the last dragon Encanto Bolt These are just at the top of my head, I’m sure there are more
So where would Aurora and the three good fairies fall? It’s not a great relationship between the three of them since they drop all the domestic chores on Merryweather, however from what we can see they all clearly adore one another as a family unit of sorts, and all the effort they go to for the birthday party is great. Points off for poor planning on returning her on the night of her birthday rather than the day after, since Maleficent hadn’t found them, and they didn’t know Diablo was listening in. It isn’t perfect since they do isolate her out of fear of being discovered, however it looks hypocritical to let her go wandering into the woods alone where anyone could nab her.
I knew Frollo was going to be the worst! And I can totally see why! I remember watching The Hunchback of Notre Dame back in 2021, and that man should have gotten the gold medal of evil in your Disney Villains Evil to Most Evil! He also deserved the gold medal of evil in your Hunchback of Notre Dame Good to Evil, and he had it coming at the end of the movie when he saw Satan's face in the gargoyle and he fell into the sea of molten copper! There is NOTHING, I repeat: NOTHING, even remotely good about Judge Claude Frollo!
Aurora actually had good parents. King Stephon even told Philip’s father that they might want to take things slowly when she returned because he feared that everything would be a shock for her. Also, the fairies’ plan to protect Aurora was working for most of the film, but then Flora and Merriweather had a magic duel because of the color of Aurora’s dress.
I wouldn’t think so. I have them in a mixture between healthy and toxic parents. Stefan and Leah made a poor decision of not inviting Maleficent and going way too far in enraging Maleficent even more by allowing the Fairies to insult her, yet they do care for their daughter by having her live with the Fairies, just to make sure she is safe. Even if he said he missed his daughter for a good reason, Stefan can be somewhat of a hypocrite as he opposed the idea of Aurora marrying Phillip just to unite their kingdoms, which indeed they did. His plan of burning spinning wheels is NOT truly heroic enough as it does not do enough to prevent the curse, according to the Fairies. His concern over Aurora relies on bog-standard acts of kindnesss, so he fails the admirable standards to Prince Phillip, who has performed more heroic actions than Stefan did. As for Leah, she contributes very little to the plot and she is no heroic actions as her concern over Aurora and kind traits rely on bog-standard acts of kindness, so she, too, fails the admirable standards.
I find king stephon rather stupid. When Melificent curses aurora, she says that aurora will pierce her finger on a spindle on her 16th birthday. They didn’t have to keep her hidden away when she was a kid, just when she was 16. They could’ve raise her normally and then just be her bodyguard her all day on her 16th birthday. They should’ve tried to help her find love so she could have a chance of saving her from the curse. He didn’t care for his daughter that much.
@@saklee1777and he’s also a bit of a hypocrite and a jerk to King Hubert at times when he insulted Hubert and threaten a war with him that contradicted his proposal to have his daughter marry Phillip in order to unite their kingsoms
Marlin and Nemo were also a grey relationship, Marlin kept on bubblewrapping Nemo after he lost everything, but even when he was over protective, he never gave up on getting him back and he showed interest in the little things like how he asked Crush how old he was for Nemo. For an adult the little things aren't really thought of as much, but for a child it means a lot and in that scene about that one question "can sea turtles live up to a hundred years old?" Is a really valuable example.
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NANI DESERVES NUMBER ONE FIGHT ME She gave up her whole career as a professional surfer to raise her little sister. That's way harder to do as a child, than as an adult. She was only 19. She is a wonderful parent and deserves credit for it!!!!!!!
Healthy Relationships • Lucile and Bud (Gold) 🥇 • Jane and Professor Porter🥈 * Belle and Maurice 🥉 • Pongo and Perdita • Dumbo and his Mother • Mr. Flaversham and Olivia • James and Endora with Tiana • Big Daddy and Lottie • Alcmene and Amfitrion with Hercules • Nani and Lilo • Rapunzel and her Parents • Prince Phillip and King Hubert • Bambi and his Parents • Jim and Sarah Hawkins Grey Area (Neutral Territory Relationships) * Duchess and the Triplets * Pinocchio and Geppetto * Mufasa and Sarabi with Simba (The Lion King) * John Silver and Jim Hawkins (Treasure Planet) * Mulan and her parents * Moana and her parents * The Sultan and Jasmine * Chief Powhatan and Pocahontas * Kerchak and Kala with Tarzan * Wendy's Family * Aladdin and Cassim Toxic Relationships • Kida and her father • Prince Charming and The King • Kronk and Papi • Jim Hawkins and His Biological Father • King Stefan and Queen Leah with Aurora • Anna and Elsa's Parents • Lady Tremaine • Mother Gothel and Rapunzel • Buck Cluck and Ace Cluck (bronze of Toxic)🥉 • The Evil Queen (silver of Toxic)🥈 • Frollo and Quasimodo (Gold of Toxic)🥇
Okay, Buck may have been horrible but I would hardly consider him worse than Tremaine and Gothel. At the very least, he did love his son deep down and realized his mistakes in the end, neither of which Tremaine and Gothel displayed in the slightest.
Yeah I’m with you. People still treat Buck like garbage. While he was horrible at the start, he meant what he said when he regretted his acts. We’re all Chicken Littles over here. We’re trying to explain that Buck regretted everything and yet NOBODY believes us, like how he said the sky is falling and nobody believes him. Buck is a mediocre character, but there’s a father far worse than him, as worse as Frollo. His name is Gabriel Agreste, from Miraculous Ladybug.
I would've put Mother Gothell at the same spot as Frolo. She may not have tried to kill Repunzel, but she was going to drag her away in chains and stop her from being herself, ever again. That's a fate worse than death. I would also put Chicken Little and his father up in the neutral tier, since his dad apologized in the end, and tried to be a better father. He was just misguided after losing his wife. He didn't know what to do for his son on his own.
For Dreamworks most toxic relationship I go for Oscar and Angie, especially because the movie attempts to portray it as healthy (or at least healthier than Lola's) when it clearly isn't: an asshole with no redeeming qualities and a "nice girl" with a "Nice Guy" mindset
The fact that Elsa and Anna's parents didn't even listen to the trolls is what makes it worst. They said fear of her powers would be her undoing, so what do they do? They lock her away to make her fearful of herself and others, make her fearful of her own powers by telling her she can't show anyone her powers, create a dungeon to keep her in (the one Hans puts her in when they get back), and then run around the world trying to get rid of her powers. They feared her powers and that is what undid them, after they traumatized their daughter to be scared of herself and everyone else.
I think you should have put Duchess and the kittens higher up. She was only careless because she wasn't aware that what she was doing was dangerous. She did live her life out with an aristocrat remember.
How did you leave out Cass and Hiro, from Big Hero 6? Despite a lack of communication, there is genuine love, from Cass, all the way through that movie. Hiro, once he gets his head out of his ass, about almost everything, really, shows her the love that she'd been showing him, the entire time. It's a solid relationship, and a realistic depiction of the burden of grief and loss.
Kanga and Roo (Winnie the Pooh) - Grey Area healthy on the level of Duchess and the kittens. She is a loving, good, and kind mother but too often Roo ends up in danger simply because he's allowed to go out on his own so often at such a young age. Pacha and Chica and their children (The Emperor's New Groove) - Healthy. Both of them support their children's interests and take the time to listen to them babble on. As a family unit they are very supportive of each other and work together. Plio and her children, Suri and Aladar (Dinosaur) - Healthy. Plio is Suri's biological mother and adoptive mother to Aladar. She is shown to be supportive of Aladar and doesn't see him as a monster which so many of her other family, including her father Yar, initially sees him as. She is the primal reason Aladar was ultimately accepted into the lemur family and is loved by every member, including Yar. She is a guiding force and mentor in Aladar's adult life. Her relationship with Suri is good too. She is loving and protective, but also gives Suri the chance to explore and be herself. King Triton and Ariel (The Little Mermaid) - Grey Area Unhealthy. He obviously loves his daughter very much, but is so traumatized by his wife's death by humans that he absolutely forbids his 7 daughters from even going close to the surface. He is initially patient with Ariel when she breaks his rules, but overtime he loses his cool and eventually destroys her collection, driving her to go see Ursula. After Ariel's disappearance, he is seen regretting his decision and grieving. At the end, he ends up giving Ariel the life she wants, trusting her that she knows what's best for her. Their relationship starts off more toxic, but ends on the healthy side of things. Also, I would definitely place Buck Cluck and Chicken Little above Gothel and Tremaine. Buck was emotionally neglectful yes, but he wasn't trying to be. He just didn't know how to handle the situation given to him, which does impact Chicken Little quite a bit. In the end, they end up repairing their relationship.
Not sure these would count, but in The Fox and the Hound, Tod had both Big Mama and Widow Tweed after his mother had to leave him someplace safe and Copper had Chief and Amos Slade
(Sorry no animals) 1. Maurice- despite he’s a tad eccentric, he completely accepts Belle’s dreams and learns to forgive Adam. I also liked he wasn’t pressuring her to giving Gaston a chance 2. Archimedes Porter- he’s just like Maurice, loves Jane and even encouraged her to follow her heart to stay with Tarzan instead, even willing to give up his career to be with them. Only thing is I think he’s a bit clumsy because he’s older. 3. Kala- Not counting Kerchek, Kala is so sweet, supportive and loving to Tarzan despite the other gorillas kinda judging her. She’s even willing to let Tarzan be with other humans. Kerchek at least in the end apologized for being so hateful towards him all because he couldn’t accept his own son being murdered. 4. Frederik and Ariana- they never gave up on ever seeing Rapunzel, the scene before I See the Light is so sad with Ariana wiping Frederik’s tear away. And the lantern literally symbolizing a beacon of hope and love for their daughter wherever she is. Best part is they managed to make the most romantic scene ever! I also really liked their relationship in the sequel as both do have struggles with developing genuine relationships with her and Eugene. 5. James and Eudora- very sweet couple that grew up in a racist society, and taught Tiana the value of hard work, but Eudora also reminding her not to literally slave her life away. 6. Hua Zu and Hua Li- despite its more they want Mulan to become a typical bride, Zu actually shows he truly loves his daughter by assuring her it just isn’t her time yet. Also they gave their YinYang necklaces to Shang and Mulan when noticing they do have opposite views on some things. They even let Mulan choose her husband instead of sending her back to the matchmaker. I also really loved Zu saying “The greatest gift and honor is having you for a daughter” not even looking at the sword or crest. 7. Kida and her father- He is willing to admit to Milo its his fault why Atlantis suffered the flood and it cost them her mother to protect them, instead of blaming it on the crystal or something. He only wants to protect her and his people from something he feared could easily kill them, especially in the wrong hands. He is grieving when learning Kida’s fate too, begging Milo to save her because unfortunately he dies the next second. 8. Powhatan and Pocahontas- He truly does love his daughter and ultimately wants her to be safe and happy. While he betrothed her to someone he thought for sure would be a perfect husband, he doesn’t really listen to her trying to say she doesn’t love Kokoum and already knows he can’t accept her free spirited nature, instead insisting its the right path regardless of what she feels or wants. Even in the end he still believes John Smith killed Kokoum but completely forgave him, even giving him his chief robe, calling him brother so basically kinda making him a prince status, and giving them his blessing if Pocahontas wanted to go with him. When Pocahontas chose her people, you could see he was proud she made a heartbreaking but mature decision, but still completely supported her no matter what. Don’t care what Disney says, Pocahontas and John Smith got married and became the next chiefs of her people. 9. Hercules Earth parents- Just isn’t my favorite movie. They’re so loving and supportive of him even knowing about his divine nature ever since they found him. Its so cute to see Hercules actually giving them a freaking temple and chariot from his royalties. Also Zeus and Hera completely accepting his decision to stay a mortal instead was very sacrificial. 10. Triton and Ariel- Triton imo is probably one of my least favorite dads because of how stoic and stern he is. In LM3 it does show he used to be a more gentle father when Athena was alive, but unfortunately her death lead to him forbidding anyone from going to the surface, his daughters having almost absolutely no fun, but ultimately NO MUSIC. I really love in the end Ariel helps him see banning music isn’t going to bring her back or anything, if anything its just driving Athena away even more. And Triton does finally learn to let go of her and restore music. Despite nearly blowing up the grotto when Sebastian tattled, the night Ariel is with Eric he is so worried this time he took things too far, making everyone probably including her sisters to look without rest until Ariel is home. He even gave up his soul? to revoke Ariel’s deal, and despite not really knowing Eric aside him impaling his crazy sister (yes Ursula and Triton are siblings) he still chooses to let Ariel be with the man she loves, knowing forcing her to stay a mermaid would just make her miserable forever. Plus the ending Triton lifts the ban of surfacing/human interaction. HM: Its Pixar but I had to mention it. Hector and Coco! Despite he left to become a musician and Imelda resented him for “abandoning” them for his selfish gain, Remember Me is still so beautiful and undoubtedly one of the most beautiful love songs as all he wanted was to be with Imelda and Coco once again! Always bawl my eyes out at the end when Coco finally gets to be with her papa again! 😭
Cody’s parents should be mentioned here. Yes they did call the Australian officers and rangers to find Cody. However, they don’t go out of their way to join the search effort for Cody themselves, which would’ve been a bit heartwarming to see them spend their time to track their only son to McLeach's hideout in the mine. However, I can probably understand they were afraid that McLeach would’ve taken the chance to have them chased and possibly attacked by Joanna similar to what happened with Cody.
you left out Merida and Eleanor being that the whole movie was based upon building their relationship. They were definitely the most controversial and I'd definitely put them in between grey and toxic
1. Where is Triton and Ariel? 2. If we are counting sequels what about Kira and Kovu and the other kids? 3. Mother Gothel was worse than Buck Cluck at least 4. I think Kala and Kershack needed to be separated because Kala and Tarzan's relationship was healthy and wholesome... We know the drill with Kershack, tho. 5. Zeus and Hercules deserved a spot too
Gothel is worse than Buck, I agree. Because even SHE tried to lock Rapunzel away when the secret was out. Buck and his son don’t even HAVE powers for immortality. While Buck was toxic at the beginning, he changed. In Padme’s words: “I know there’s good in him…”
1:45 Belle dad 5:58 Hercules fake Parents 7:50 Phillip dad 16:47 Charming dad 18:17 Aurora Parents 19:06 Anna and Elsa Parents 19:37 Lady Tremaine 21:47 Quasimododo
Is nobody gonna talk about the fact that such an iconic legend like Kronk deserves a better father? I mean, he's Kronk, how can somebody treat him like that?
Let's be honest, you only put Buck Cluck that low because you know it's popular opinion to say he's "the worst", but he's clearly not worse than Gothel, Treimane, Jim Hawkins' dad, and a bunch more on that list... The guy just wasn't comfortable supporting his son's questionable and destructive attitudes, but when he realizes the mistake he made, he felt guilty and ran to fix it, tryng to save the boy and eventually helping him in his plan to save the world, even fighting an army of aliens for that.
Agreed. And yet everybody still calls him the worst. They clearly haven’t heard about Gabriel Agreste from Miraculous Ladybug. The fact everybody ignores Buck’s redemption is utterly ridiculous! Ya gotta understand Buck ain’t physically abusive. And another thing, he doesn’t even HAVE any powers nor does his son. It’s nowhere close to being as power-hungry-bad as Rapunzel and Gothel.
would've replaced sarabi(as far as simba knew he thought scar would take care of everything with how he trusted him and thought everyone would be safer if he stayed away thinking he got his father killed,got pissed seeing scar hurt her and returned from his fathers words not only nala.) with king triton(could've avoided the stuff with ursula if he just let ariel explain herself.), moana really isn't the same as mulans(wouldn't say it was forcing their views on her as they were understanding to her not fitting in.) as their world was literally getting the life sucked out by te fiti's heart being stolen and she nearly loses her life at sea as a baby,in king stefan's case maleficent was pretty petty with her actions,the fairies weren't that incompetent with aurora(they help give the prince a chance to actually hurt the witch for one.) and he does argue with hubert about their children marrying right away,with frollo still find it odd the priest even if it was out of his hands doesn't really have scenes of him comforting quasimodo considering he saved him . with gepetto really wouldn't call it outright negligence more just natural of the times where they lived/jiminy could've done a better job averting him from honest john,would put gothel over buck cluck as he at least attempted to make up for everything chicken little went through protecting him from the aliens(especially when until they got teleported thought the alien robots were killing people with their beams/defended ace when the alien father blames him for taking his child.)/pressure from the way worse townspeople compared to gothel being a selfish narcissist who locked up rapunzel to use her power instead of naturally raising her and put tremaine/elsa's parents(even by disney standards they had a billion ways of handling elsa's problem instead of gaslighting her.) at the top as they are completely at fault for the movies events.
11:24 Simba also returned because Mufasa’s ghost said he had to; also Simba went into exile because Scar manipulates him into thinking he killed Mufasa because of his youth You obviously didn’t watch the entire movie
I loved chicken little and i’d put the dad low grey tear because it's less about his status and more of his son’s and he eventually saw the error of his ways
Same. When I saw Buck not being a good parent, I always reminded myself: “I know there’s good in him…”, like what Padme said about Anakin when he became Darth Vader.
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Every time I see and hear Pete, I get the distinct impression that he’s a military brat, which would help explain a lot about him if you stop and think about it. It’s not that Pete is incapable of love (I mean, he DOES end up having a wife, son and daughter of his own)--but having a soldier as a father isn’t exactly a picnic, especially if he’s a Vietnam War soldier (no offense, guys, but be honest, being in ‘Nam during the 60s and 70s--as Pete’s dad would’ve been if you do the math--wasn’t exactly a cakewalk, was it?). Pete’s dad didn’t know how to deal with the trauma, so he wound up taking it out on him. So Pete wound up raising his own son the way he he himself had been raised. During the pool scene in The Goofy Movie, Goofy gently and meekly calls Pete out by saying, “Maybe Max isn’t all the things that you think a son should be but--he loves me.” Pete REALLY doesn’t like that and responds by saying, “Hey! My son RESPECTS me.” It’s like he’s saying, ‘If that’s the price I have to pay so my kid doesn’t end up in jail, then so be it.’ Pete IS a bad dad, but at least he tries to be a good one. After all, he provides for his family and makes sure they stay on the straight and (very) narrow--even if he himself occasionally strays. And if anybody messes with them, look out! And being his family, his wife and kids have to have at least an inkling of what he went through, which is why they’re able to stay with him and love him, even if he doesn’t know how to show and tell it back to them. Anyway, that’s just my theory, but it makes sense. Doesn’t it?
11:06 But Scar told Simba to run away and never return. He was manipulated into thinking that Mufasa's death was his fault and thus, accepted his false punishment. That's why he didn't return regardless of what Nala told him about the Pridelands. The reason why Simba returned was because of Rafiki (and by proxy, Mufasa's spirit). Also he was pissed off when Sarabi was attacked by Scar so Simba did care about his mother. He just couldn't do anything about it due to the circumstances placed on him All in all, I don't think placing Simba's relationship with his parents that low was all that fair.
[Healthy] 1 - Lucille, Bud Robinson, and Lewis 2 - Jane Porter and Archimedes 3 - Maurice and Belle 4 - Pongo, Perdita and ninety-nine Dalmatians 5 - Dumbo and his mother 6 - Mr and Olivia Flaversham 7 - Tiana, Eudora and James 8 - Charlotte and Big Daddy 9 - Hercules, Alcmene and Amfitrion 10 - Lilo and Nani 11 - Rapunzel and her parents 12. - Prince Phillip and King Hubert 13 - Bambi and his parents 14 - Jim and Sarah [Grey Area] 15 - Duchess and the triplets 16 - Pinocchio and Geppetto 17 - Mufasa, Sarabi and Simba 18 - John Silver and Jim 19 - Mulan and her parents 20 - Moana and her parents 21 - The Sultan and Jasmine 22 - Chief Powatan and Pocahontas 23 - Kerchak, Kala and Tarzan 24 - Wendy's family 25 - Kasim and Aladdin [Toxic] 26 - The Atlantean King and Kida 27 - The King and Prince Charming 28 - Kronk and Pappy 29 - Jim and his father 30 - King Stefan, Queen Leah and Aurora 31 - King Agnarr, Queen Iduna, Elsa and Anna 32 - Lady Tremaine, Cinderella, Drizella and Anastasia 33 - Mother Gothel and Rapunzel 34 - Buck and Ace 35 - Snow White and the Evil Queen 36 - Judge Claude Frollo and Quasimodo
Say what you want about the King in Cinderella, in the end he just wanted his son to marry the girl that made him happy. He even asked if she's the girl he wanted to marry and even helped Anastasia when she had doubts. Even when she apologized and gave back the seashell, he told her to keep it as "everyone deserves true love". I truly think the characters were fleshed out more in the last film. The Prince didn't really have too much of a personality in 1 or 2 but in 3, he gets a massive upgrade and even risks his life to save Cinderella. Knowing his son has found his love, the King allows him to go off in the end. Honestly, I think the relationship between the King and Prince improves over the course of the third movie. I think also the Prince was distant in the original film due to being sent away for studies and such. Sure the King has a vile temper but I see that being taken out more on the poor Duke than anyone else. He does try to reason with his son. I also like the scene where the Prince is training with swords. So much talking between the two, probably more so than any other time. I don't believe it's toxic but it's definitely not the best. For that reason, I would put it on neutral tier myself.
I really didn’t like the Sultan but he still is better than Chicken Little’s egg donor. Julieta and Mirabel is my favorite parent-child relationship in Disney
I believed they should’ve added Kala and Tarzan in the healthy area or at least put Tarzan and his parents at different spots like you did with Jim Hawkin’s parents
Wicked Binge: Ranks Mufasa as Best Disney Dad. Also Wicked Binge: Puts MufasaXSarabi and Simba in the Grey Area for Parental Relationships. WHA??🤨❓⁉️ P.S. IS ZIRA A JOKE TO YOU!?!
Since no one else seems to be speaking up for Agnarr and Idunna: They were living in a time and place in which magic was equated with evil, and in point of fact the villains in most of the Disney movies that came out before Frozen were usually women with magic. Agnarr and Idunna were terrified that if Elsa's magic became publicly known their people would try to kill her and possibly Anna as well, which is actually pretty close to what almost happened. It's also possible that Agnarr was afraid that using her magic might make Elsa evil, especially since Anna had just been hurt because the girls were playing when they should have been asleep. Their decisions were made out of fear, not malice, and the trolls did say that fear would be Elsa's enemy.
im still hoping wickedbinge would make ducktales good to evil theres a variety of good and evil characters and i would love to see who would be most good and evil
Yeah, Mulan’s family were putting so much expectations on her that she wanted to meet, but she was capable of making her own decisions and not everything you expect of someone can really be done. Especially when you don’t consider that you don’t get to make choices for someone, only they can make them themselves. The fact that you make someone feel too pressured and make them feel like they don’t get a say in what they want at all.
I know they weren't on the list, but Virana and Namaari have probably the most toxic biological mother-daughter relationship in Disney. Virana brainwashed her daughter from the time she was in the womb right up until she was 18, and emotionally manipulated Namaari in order to do her bidding. I mean, Virana's already an extremely harsh individual, who threatened to kill Raya and also threatened her generals when they disagreed with her, but her treatment of Namaari was just abysmal. She proved throughout the movie that she doesn't care about her daughter, Virana only cares about having power and being seen as the "superior" ruler of all the lands in Kumandra. The icing on the cake is that Virana never apologized for what she did, and that ticked me off greatly.
Leaving King Triton off the list seems like an oversight. I’d put him slightly below the neutral-toxic line, as his actions are abusive but he ultimately regrets them and supports her choices.
I agree because as much as Triton loves his daughters he isn’t really a good father he’s neglectful and easily angered, and he maliciously destroyed his youngest daughters prized collection and though he looked sorry after the fact he didn’t actually apologize for what he did. If he had explained the reasons behind his fear of the surface world than Ariel would have understood better, much like other parents on this list their biggest issues stem from poor communication on both ends, because Ariel also could have talked to him about what was going on and why she felt so trapped.
I’d also say Ariel and Melody’s relationship should be mentioned. However, that was in a direct-to-DVD sequel, so I’m not too upset they left that out.
I was going to say that!
Also leaving out Goofy's relationship with his son Max and everyone of the Madrigal parents from Encanto.
If I knew where to put the former, it would be like somewhere in The Grey Area. Goofy has risked his life to help Max with his troubles; even if Max is making this relationship a bit rocky. Still you could see the reason why Goofy truly loves his son like a real parent.
Encanto would be in three different sections. With Mirabel's parents they deserve to be in The Healthy Section; but not quite at the highest, since we don't see much of their relationship with the two elder daughters. We mainly focused more on Julieta and Agustín's view of their daughter Mirabel, and I must say it's pretty wholesome. They don't question why Mira doesn't want to have powers and they tried everything to cheer her up. But the best thing about those two is when the whole Bruno situation starts to bring chaos, we see them stand up for their daughter(especially in the case of Agustín). And when Casita started to collapse, we see Julieta try to reach out and protect Mira from danger. And that's what I call good parenting.
Pepa and Félix's relationship with their children would be sort of in The Grey Area. Yes, we see them interact during Antonio's coming of age ceremony. And yes, we know Félix is trying to balance out his wife. But if there was more focus on their family, we wouldn't have shown Abuela's advantage on those events.
Speaking of which, Abuela Alma's relationship with her children, in-laws and grandchildren can be considered toxic. I mean, why did she think that not talking about Bruno would be considered a good idea? She didn't stand up to him the same way Mirabel's parents did. And speaking of her relationship with Mira, who could've thought that during the scene where Alma blames everything on her granddaughter would be something to learn about. Even if all is forgiven, her advantage on the family caused dysfunctionality.
@@amitaikatz5929 I haven’t seen Encanto yet, but I’d put Goofy way up at the top of the list. He’s a great dad, and any issues they have are just a normal part of growing up.
Lottie is actually a really underrated character, her dreams of marrying a prince and becoming a princess were crushed by her own friend, and was still happy for her
Not to mention, when Tiana's costume was messed up, Lottie gave her a dress to wear and the dress looks amazing on her. Lottie said she has the perfect dress for her and with that execution, tells us how much she truly does value Tiana. Especially when she pays Tiana for her bineighs for the costume ball. Which also helped Tiana earn more money for her restaurant.
13:02 There is a big difference between Mulan and Moana in the societies that contextualize their stories. Mulan did not actually express an aversion to their customs or a want for something else; she tried to fit in, and just wasn't good at it, and her parents were very understanding of that with the talk her father had with her after she failed with the match maker.
I think people forget this. Mulan wasn’t some badass bloodthirsty tomboy warrior. She was nervous about the whole matchmaking thing, but she was mostly nervous about messing it up (which she did, through her clumsiness). She was actually pleased with the makeover.
@@erinbrown3744 Yes
@@erinbrown3744 I think grandma had more blame in messing up the matchmaking because the cricket is why Mulan failed. Mulan grabbed the cup back because of the cricket and the matchmaker set herself on fire because the cricket was in her dress.
Sure, she might’ve been retroactively failed when the matchmaker realized she cheated, but that’s not what happened
@@normalhuman9878 That’s a fair point.
It is also a really good point that Mulan's dad talked to her after the matchmaker, pointing out that one blossom was a late bloomer and proclaiming that he believes it'll be the most beautiful of all.
The important thing is that he accepted her BEFORE she went to war vs Moana's dad didn't take her seriously or accept her as she was until after she saved everyone. Mulan didn't have to "prove herself" to "earn" her father's support.
Pongo and Perdita deserve way more attention from the public! They are incredible parents and incredible characters!
And literally every child walk themselves to school back then so how dare he removed points for that 😠.
You’re right, they are.
And the best way to be perfect parents of course. Which is why they’re my favorite Disney parents.
I’d have to disagree on the 1 with the lion king. Simba likely wouldn’t have been old enough to comprehend how Sarabi would’ve felt losing him. Plus he went into exile in the 1st place, because he was made to believe he was responsible for his father’s death (plus the hyenas or Scar would’ve likely killed him had he returned thus ruining the whole point of that argument). I also agree with some people here that “mother” Gothel was worse than Buck Cluck, cause at least Cluck attempted to mend the relationship in the end.
Taking Tangled the series into consideration Mother Gothal is much worse as she abandoned her own biological daughter Cassandra when she found Rapunzel.
Also What about Zira, Nuka, Vitani, and Kovu? Zira ia stright up cruel to all three. Starving Nuka and the rest of the pride for Vitani and Kovu, scaring Kovu after he did nothing to help them kill Simba, then threatening to kill Vitani when she joined Simba.
@@hollyputvin917 Gothel even considered her own daughter to be a pest
Thank you! Was going to say the same thing! Simba was a child when that happens! He's essentially a lion equivalent to a 5 year old, 8 year old at the oldest! And traumatized to boot! Cut the poor lion some slack!
Yeah! Not only that but he didn't come back because of Nala! Remember he told Napa he wasn't coming back! He came back after getting over his Geif and talking with Refeki and the ghost of Mafasha!
I think most of the gray spots on this list are actually some of the best written characters overall. Especially John Silver, that has to be the most underrated Disney character ever.
Also I wanna dispute the King Stefan rating due to the fact that he in fact had a whole damn argument with King Hubert that almost ended their friendship over whether Aurora and Philip should marry right away.
I have to disagree with you when you said Simba only returns because of Nala, he was tempted but still made it clear he wasn’t going back. Only after he saw his father his heart was set on going back to challenge Scar to save everyone.
That's right ☺️
And this was just before WB would talk about what he thought would be a controversial choice, but I think THIS might just be an even more controversial take that is made to make Simba sound a lot worse than he actually is as if he were Sonic from the 2000s Archie Comics tricking (maybe even in a way that is intentionally GASLIGHTING) his own friends into thinking that he was dead after #135 (I know Sally Acorn took it the wrong way with an “I HATE YOU NOW, SONIC, BECAUSE YOU NEVER WANTED TO BE MY FUTURE HUSBAND!!!!!!!!!” slap (which has thankfully been regretted in #187 with the magic of Ian Flynn and his team of Archie Sonic fixers as of 2006-2016/IDW Sonic makers from 2018-future), but still!!!!! While he was right to think that could have taken his friends with him to end this war with Dr. Eggman!!!!! THAT, my friends, is something that not even Simba (well, at least in the 1994 version) would go as far as to do because I think Coco Beans really said it all best about his (or her) defense of Simba.
Simba only returned because he only saw his father Mufasa in the skies and was set on going back to challenge Scar.
I was literally insulted when he said simba only came back for nala. Like No, he came back for his home and family.
As bad as Chicken Little and Buck Clucks relationship is, it is definitely not worse then Rapunzel and Mother Gothel as there was no redemption of that relationship at the end unlike Chicken Little and Buck Cluck.
And canonically, Gothel had a daughter of her own who she treated just as poorly as Rapunzel, so that should put her even lower on this list
@@finnover9781 yep, treated her just as poorly and valued her less
True
Eeeh I agree that on a technical level Gothel is more toxic, but Buck is more jarring because we're supposed to want him and Chicken Little to repair things when in reality, I want Chicken little to go no contact the second he turns 18. Meanwhile, the expectation for Rapunzel to get away was always the main goal.
Aside from that, Buck's change didn't feel genuine. Due to bad writing, he made an abrupt 180. It evoked less genuine healing and more the fact that abusers consistently apologize while not making any meaningful change.
Gothel is 100% the worse person, but I don't think Buck should get any points for the ending.
@@finnover9781 I think he's only counting the movie, not the show
I really thought King Triton would have made the list for sure; calling him downright toxic might be a bit much so having him at the bottom of the gray area sounds good.
Yes he was supposed to be. That was an error on my part.
Did you seriously ding Gepetto for not walking Pinnocchio to school, and even called it 'negligence???'
Back in 1940 when the film was made that was 100% the norm, and NO ONE would have considered that negligent in anyway.
Well, they also, in a previous video, compared the family relationships in "Turning Red" and "Brave", viewing them both in a modern perspective, so obviously Turning Red came out looking vastly superior (in terms of "healthy" family relationships) to Brave. Despite the fact that Turning Red takes place in the "modern" age, whereto Brave is set roughly 1000 years ago (and also in feudal Scotland)
@@QaRajhCreations That doesn't mean you CAN'T compare. It just means that there will be some contextual differences.
Even Today, Some Parents Don’t always go with there kids to school.
I think the difference is that Pinocchio was a wooden puppet five minutes ago and knows absolutely nothing about the world, safety, direction, etc. There was no way that wasn't going to end badly.
True. Hell, kids today still walk or ride their bikes to school by themselves. I hate this stigma that says it's an "old fashioned" thing just because they themselves took the bus or rode a car to school. It moreso depends on where you live rather than what time period you live in, as well as the individual parents themselves.
Don't blame Simba for being wrongfully exiled. Blame SCAR. Scar was the one who blamed Simba for his father's death and told him to run away & never return.
I think you should do Disney siblings healthy too toxic
Where would the Encanto parents fit into this list? I feel that Julieta and Augustin would probably be in the Healthy Category as well as Pepa and Felix. They seem to care about their children. Their only flaw seems to be that they let Abuelita Alma use their children's gifts, which leads us to Alma. I think she would be in the Grey Area. She does exploit her children and grandchildren's gifts, but it's not for personal gain, but to help their community. Also, because Mirabel doesn't have a gift, she doesn't seem to treat her like a member of the family, but the good news is that she does apologize and she is willing to better herself at the end. Maybe some would label her as Toxic, but I think she would be Grey Area, since she at least apologizes in the end.
I'm going to say auggie comes out ahead of his wife only because the talk in kitchen scene. Julieta comes off a bit, I guess deaf, to her daughter's complaints. It didn't read at least to me, that she understands what mirabelle is going through. Her father on the other hand immediately identified the potential danger the vision tablet posed for mirabelle and tried to hide it and he stood by his actions to protect her when confronted.
@@catandrobbyflores - I totally get this. Juliéta has a bit of the “toxic positivity” vibe going (telling Mirabel “you are perfect just the way you are” when she is obviously expressing insecurities) while Agustín really has a heart-to-heart talk with her. He relates more because he married into the family and also doesn’t have powers. Its great to see a father being portrayed positively in kids media. Fathers often get overlooked.
@@LadyHawke78 yes! The woman literally heals the cut on her hand with an English muffin and says "your special too😊" no mom she doesn't feel it and everyone treats her like the dirty secret especially miss perfect Isabella. Her dad doesn't care about powers or the family image just mirabelle.
Abuelita would be either barely above the Toxic line, or directly under the Toxic line.
Yeah, both Alma and Buck are in the gray area for me, since they were morons at the start, but apologized at the end. Same goes for Ming in Turning Red. She was a total idiot to Mei’s friends and destroying the concert, but judging by what happened in the ancestral realm knowing what happened with Ming, I put her in the gray area.
I’m glad Nani and Lilo were put on this list. Yes they’re actually sisters but like you said, Nani is essentially Lilo’s guardian. The movie does a great job showing their struggles as does the series episode “Remy”. In that episode it’s the anniversary of the day the girls lost their parents and Lilo is depressed because of this. Nani tries to make her feel better by making her a peanut butter and anchovy sandwich and Nani even scolded Stitch after he eats the sandwich when Lilo goes up to her room too depressed to eat. Later on when Nani learns of the experiment inside Lilo she gets mad at Jumba and Pleakly. She then sings to Lilo a song that her parents would sing to the girls to help them sleep when they were younger.
Most of it makes sense but I would have definitely switch Buck and Ace with Gothel and Rapunzel, while his actions are definitely toxic, at least he doesn’t keep his kid hostage and forced them into serving an ambition for immortality/beauty
There are at least five characters Buck should be higher like Jim's father, Lady Treimane and manny others. It isnt fair putting him that low simply because its a popular opinion.
Good point. While Buck was neglecting Ace, at least he didn’t abuse him and his powers! (Actually, how could Buck do that if Ace doesn’t have any power?!)
I agree! I’d trade those places too!
@@Superemie401Agreed. While I’m mad at him for letting his son get bullied by the town, people still treat his redemption at the end as a JOKE. For me, Buck is a “meh” character. I’m mad at him for not trusting his son, but I’m happy that he changed and finally became the father we wanted him to be. In the words of Padme in Star Wars 3: “I know there’s good in him…”
Marie didn't just "wander off", the train made the bridge shake hard enough to make her fall. Duchess does belong in the good tier since the whole mess was not her fault and the poor cat was completely out of her limited scope of the world. I don't think any of them would have made it home without Thomas since he's the only one that knew the way and how to survive in the wilderness.
Yeah. The fact that they likely wouldn’t have survived much less made it back home if it weren’t for Thomas makes it really hard to understand anyone who defends Edgar…
Not to mention: realistically the sleeping pills would have killed them and Roquefort and the chances of them surviving the trip to Timbuktu without food and water are practically zero.
Hercules and his two sets of parents have the best relationship ever. They are the kind of parents who everyone would wanna have, they are kind and gentle, patient and wise, they want what is best for their child, and they understand their child’s wants and needs. I wish that they got more credit for being so caring and loving, their relationship needs to be higher up on the good categories list, because they have the healthiest relationship with their son ever! I just can’t believe they’re at number nine! I love them! Their relationship with Hercules is just beyond heartwarming!
Eh, not to rain on your parade, but, if you look at the actual mythology of Zeus..... I wouldn't exactly call him father of the year. But in terms of the movie itself, you're not wrong. :)
I think King Triton has a mixture of being healthy as well as being an toxic parent.
His hatred towards humans is understandable if you saw the prequel film and his love for his 7 daughters is one that is almost natural for any father who has to raise them on his own while also managing a kingdom.
His anger against his daughter when he discovers that she is in love with a human is where you see the toxic anger side of his parenting but he also regrets being angry and upsetting his daughter almost immediately afterwards.
King Triton has all the different facets of both loving relationship as well as toxic in the same character.
Two Requests: Animaniacs Characters: Good to Evil and Ice Age Characters: Good to Evil
Some would argue that the Warners are most evil,sometimes they do intentionally look and/or cause trouble.
DreamWorks couples:Healthy to Toxic,please😊!!!
Literally every child walked themselves to school back then. How on Earth are you going to blame him for the times?
Agreed
I think with Lottie, we can rank her pretty well in the friend category too
I think Koda and his mother should've been on the list; due to how Koda is, it's clear that his mother loves and cares for him the way a parent should and is immediately ready to protect him anytime. And when they were separated, she spends her time trying to find him before her death. Koda brings up his mom a few times, showing that she has taught him a few things to help him in life. And their final reunion is heart-warming.
What makes Frollo even more terrifying as a villain, is the fact that he's a mortal man with political power who genuinely believes that he's a quote en quote "righteous man" who could do no wrong despite the contrary being true. Even worse so, there are people just like him in the real world too.
HA! RIGHTEOUS?! Also he looks like he’s from the thalmor I laughed when he died and I was a child when I watch the movie
@@memecat9830 The ONLY thing "righteous" about him was his death.
@@Kobra6510 yea lol
Buck was an idiot at the first half of Chicken Little but he redeemed himself and realized that it was time to be by his son’s side, not to mention he whupped those aliens and told Melvin to back off! But Gothel and Frollo are WAY worse than Buck. Same goes for Gabriel Agreste and Tomoe Tsurugi (even though Miraculous wasn’t Disney it is now).
Minor nitpick, but for Tinker Bell 3: The Great Fairy Rescue (really underrated childhood imo), there’s a parental boundary that needed to be fixed between Lizzy and her dad. Her dad was busy with work all the time and was pretty strict with her daughter, heck he even had winged creatures on the wall! When Tink set the butterfly free, Lizzy took the fall unfortunately, but then Tink told the truth and when Vidia tried to save her, she got trapped by Lizzy’s dad, and everybody flew to save her, and Lizzy convinced her dad that those little fellas very friendly, and Lizzy’s dad finally understood her. After their hug they set Vidia free. I’d put Lizzy and her dad in the gray area.
That’s actually a good point.
Thank you!! I always get frustrated that Gepetto doesn't walk Pinocchio to school on his first day. It isn't just the first day of school, it is literally the first day of his life, darnit.
A few oversights though:
Ariel and King Triton (The Little Mermaid) toxic - she disobeys him repeatedly and he yells at her and destroys her stuff instead of trying to compromise with her. Also, Triton actually favours Ariel over his six other daughters.
Jenny Foxworth and her parents (Oliver & Company) toxic - they travel around Europe, leaving their 7-year-old daughter with a butler, who is a better parent, and they don't make the effort to come home for her actual birthday.
Hiro and Tadashi Hamada and aunt Cass (Big Hero 6) neutral - Aunt Cass seems to try, but she admits she doesn't have a great hold on parenting, and Hiro lies to her about his activities with Baymax and being a super hero.
Penny and her mother (Bolt) neutral - Penny is a child actress, but she doesn't seem happy about it and only wants to spend time with her dog, it takes Penny nearly dying for her mother to finally end her career despite how unhappy she has been.
Arthur "the ward" and Sir Ector (The Sword in the Stone) toxic - Sir Ector treats Arthur like a servant and doesn't call him by his real name, though he is a decent father to his actual son Sir Kay, whom he actively encourages in his career goals.
Judy Hopps and her parents (Zootopia) toxic - her parents discourage her dream career and promote racist views, though they change their views eventually.
Kanga and Roo (Winnie the Pooh franchise) healthy - Kanga is loving and nurturing, but allows for Roo to be part of the action in the Hundred Acre Wood - albeit I don't remember every movie under this franchise, but the classics from 1977 and 2011 are fine.
Aladar and Pilo (Dinosaur) healthy - Pilo raises Aladar to be caring and compassionate, and they stick together through their journey, never letting their difference in species tear them apart.
Koda and his mother (Brother Bear) neutral - she protects him from danger, but since she dies, that is about as much as you can say about them.
And joke mention:
Fix-it-Felix and Calhoun to the Sugar Racers (Ralph Breaks the Internet) healthy - the couple make the racers kind and encouraging towards each other making their previously nasty personalities.
I feel like Elsa and Anna’s parents should be in the grey area not toxic. They locked Elsa away but to protect her. The towns people reacted badly when they found out about her powers in the movie and sent Hans to arrest or kill her. Plus they died trying to find a way to help Elsa that could have led to her being able to fix her relationship with Anna much sooner and not fear her powers. Of course they definitely could have handled it better but from what we see they clearly loved their kids and wanted the best for them…they just didn’t know what to do after talking with Pabbie.
its sad
To be fair, Casem did leave his wife and son, because he wanted to find the treasure because he wanted to give them a better life, but he heard that his wife died, and did know where Aladdin was! And the reason why he left Aladdin again, is because he was a wanted criminal!
Thank you! Looks like someone watched the movie!
I would have put Rapunzel and her Parents lower down only because of the series. Her dad is kinda..... I just... he's not perfect, no one is but he has some pretty toxic and controlling behavior in the series, which is canon. There are a couple I disagree with but really THANK YOU for calling out Elsa and Anna's parents. They traumatized Elsa. There were told fear would make her powers harder to control and what do they do? immediately erased memories, isolated her, forced her to wear gloves because she shouldn't touch anything. They projected their fear onto their daughter.
Um it shows how much he truly loves Rapunzel, even in the series its said he took it much harder than Ariana did when Gothel stole her.
@@kristinahuchison2511 Loving someone doesn't mean you can't be toxic towards them. Good intentions or not, all he did was try to lock her away in another tower. He didn't respect her experiences, her skills, her intelligence or her independence as an adult. He lies and manipulates her away from the truth in an attempt to control her and he's willing to endanger his kingdom in order to do it and in order to avoid taking responsibility for his actions. He was extremely toxic in the beginning of the series. He learned better after season 1 and even he admitted he was wrong when he eventually apologized.
Ariana and Fredric are their names and they love rapunzel and have her back bruh
@@gserulle323 have you seen the series? Because Fredric just tried locking her up in a different tower and nearly destroyed his kingdom in order to keep her ignorant of his selfish mistakes.
Please do some more Healthy to Toxic parental relationship videos for other properties like some adult cartoons like South Park!
Garbage! 👎🏼
Do these good to evil or other ideas
- Fish Hooks
- My Gym Partners A Monkey
- Open Season
- Symbiotic Titan
- American Dragon : Jake Long
- Rocket Power
- The Life and Times of Juniper Lee
- Ben 10 * old show
- Indiana Jones
- Rocko's Modern Life
- Mucha Lucha
- Cartoon Monkeys and Apes
- Cartoon Business Owners / Managers * both Cartoon and Anime
- Good to most Good Rick and Morty
- Evil to most Evil Cartoon Assassins * both Cartoon and Anime
- Evil to most Evil Cartoon Bullys * both Cartoon and Anime
- Evil to most Evil Star Wars : The Clone Wars
- Weak to Powerful Cartoon Superheroes * both Cartoon and Anime
- Weak to Powerful Cartoon Supervillains * both Cartoon and Anime
- Which Ben 10 Character Would Win Squid Game? * old show
- Which Hey Arnold Character Would Win Squid Game?
- Which Tom Kenny Voice Character Would Win Squid Game?
- Which Cartoon Network Hero Would Win Squid Game? * Samurai Jack Would Win Squid Game
- Which Cartoon Network Villain Would Win Squid Game?
- Bart Simpson Deeds
For Otakubinge do these ideas
- Which Kadokawa Hero Would Win Squid Game?
- Which Kadokawa Villain Would Win Squid Game?
Agreed on Which Cartoon Network Hero Would Win Squid Game!
How about Which Ben10 alien would win Squid Games.
@@crimsonmoonrise9785 yeah and knd operatives in squid game
@@dottiesmith7480 I'm not sure of the idea of kids getting murdered would go over well.
All of these!
Some movie relationships I’m missing here are:
The little mermaid
Zootopia
Raya and the last dragon
Encanto
Bolt
These are just at the top of my head, I’m sure there are more
Three requests: Nicole Sullivan characters: Good to Evil, Disney Channel Couples: Healthy to Toxic, and DC Super Hero Girls characters: Good to Evil
I love how nothing could be added to the whole the Evil Queen repeatedly tried to murder her stepdaughter thing
6 Ice Age Movies & Specials Sinner Medals
Darwin- Scrat
Greed- The Shangri Llama
Gluttony- Lone Gunslinger
Lust- Scratte
Envy- Manny
Wrath- Captain Gutt
Sloth- Granny
Pride- Prancer
That he holds Japedo in contempt for letting his son walk to school on his own really tells you how young the narrator is.
Shouldn't Timmon and Pumba count as adopted parents to Simba?
Yes they should!
Can we just give a shout out to everyone in Kronk's new groove?! They all stepped up to help him with his father.
So where would Aurora and the three good fairies fall? It’s not a great relationship between the three of them since they drop all the domestic chores on Merryweather, however from what we can see they all clearly adore one another as a family unit of sorts, and all the effort they go to for the birthday party is great. Points off for poor planning on returning her on the night of her birthday rather than the day after, since Maleficent hadn’t found them, and they didn’t know Diablo was listening in. It isn’t perfect since they do isolate her out of fear of being discovered, however it looks hypocritical to let her go wandering into the woods alone where anyone could nab her.
Pinocchio and Gepetto’s relationship totally should’ve been in the healthy category
Two missed ones
1: Goofy and Max
2: Pete and P.J.
I knew Frollo was going to be the worst! And I can totally see why! I remember watching The Hunchback of Notre Dame back in 2021, and that man should have gotten the gold medal of evil in your Disney Villains Evil to Most Evil! He also deserved the gold medal of evil in your Hunchback of Notre Dame Good to Evil, and he had it coming at the end of the movie when he saw Satan's face in the gargoyle and he fell into the sea of molten copper! There is NOTHING, I repeat: NOTHING, even remotely good about Judge Claude Frollo!
Same. I read the title and the first name that popped in my head for toxic was "Frollo."
I agree with everything said here.
Aurora actually had good parents. King Stephon even told Philip’s father that they might want to take things slowly when she returned because he feared that everything would be a shock for her. Also, the fairies’ plan to protect Aurora was working for most of the film, but then Flora and Merriweather had a magic duel because of the color of Aurora’s dress.
I wouldn’t think so. I have them in a mixture between healthy and toxic parents. Stefan and Leah made a poor decision of not inviting Maleficent and going way too far in enraging Maleficent even more by allowing the Fairies to insult her, yet they do care for their daughter by having her live with the Fairies, just to make sure she is safe. Even if he said he missed his daughter for a good reason, Stefan can be somewhat of a hypocrite as he opposed the idea of Aurora marrying Phillip just to unite their kingdoms, which indeed they did. His plan of burning spinning wheels is NOT truly heroic enough as it does not do enough to prevent the curse, according to the Fairies. His concern over Aurora relies on bog-standard acts of kindnesss, so he fails the admirable standards to Prince Phillip, who has performed more heroic actions than Stefan did. As for Leah, she contributes very little to the plot and she is no heroic actions as her concern over Aurora and kind traits rely on bog-standard acts of kindness, so she, too, fails the admirable standards.
I find king stephon rather stupid. When Melificent curses aurora, she says that aurora will pierce her finger on a spindle on her 16th birthday. They didn’t have to keep her hidden away when she was a kid, just when she was 16. They could’ve raise her normally and then just be her bodyguard her all day on her 16th birthday. They should’ve tried to help her find love so she could have a chance of saving her from the curse. He didn’t care for his daughter that much.
@@saklee1777and he’s also a bit of a hypocrite and a jerk to King Hubert at times when he insulted Hubert and threaten a war with him that contradicted his proposal to have his daughter marry Phillip in order to unite their kingsoms
Marlin and Nemo were also a grey relationship, Marlin kept on bubblewrapping Nemo after he lost everything, but even when he was over protective, he never gave up on getting him back and he showed interest in the little things like how he asked Crush how old he was for Nemo. For an adult the little things aren't really thought of as much, but for a child it means a lot and in that scene about that one question "can sea turtles live up to a hundred years old?" Is a really valuable example.
Mirabel's Relationship with her parents should be one of the healthiest
Yeah I'm not sure why that wasn't mentioned
fr where was julieta and agustin!??
Triton and Ariel were not here too. I think their relationship should be toxic
Yes they should!
@@michaeloluwajuyemi4546, Ariel is a stupid teenager. I hope live action remake will improve her)
Prompts:
- Which BoJack Horseman Character would win Squid Game?
- Which Danganronpa Character(the students) would win Squid Game?(for OtakuBinge)
- Which How To Train Your Dragon Character would win Squid Game?
- Good to Evil: Ozark
- Good to Evil: Designated Survivor
- Good to Evil: Johnny Yong Bosch characters
Which Disney Prince would survive Squid Game and DreamWorks Heroes Weak to Powerful.
Disney's Planes (Fire And Rescue) Characters: Good To Evil
Good: Dusty
Netural: Blaze
Evil: Cad Spinner
Note: Cad Spinner Is Most Evil
Hazbin Hotel good to evil-
Good😇: Charlie Morningstar.
Grey😟: Angel Dust.
Evil😈: The Overlords.
Yes!
Ren and Stimpy: Good to Evil
The Good 😇: Stimpy
The Grey Area: Mr. Horse
Bad to Evil 🔥😈: George Liquor
Yes!
NANI DESERVES NUMBER ONE FIGHT ME
She gave up her whole career as a professional surfer to raise her little sister. That's way harder to do as a child, than as an adult. She was only 19. She is a wonderful parent and deserves credit for it!!!!!!!
I think Lilo might have brought down a bit though
@@TheSuicune7 She's four and her parents just died, how emotionally stable can you expect her to be?
Healthy Relationships
• Lucile and Bud (Gold) 🥇
• Jane and Professor Porter🥈
* Belle and Maurice 🥉
• Pongo and Perdita
• Dumbo and his Mother
• Mr. Flaversham and Olivia
• James and Endora with Tiana
• Big Daddy and Lottie
• Alcmene and Amfitrion with Hercules
• Nani and Lilo
• Rapunzel and her Parents
• Prince Phillip and King Hubert
• Bambi and his Parents
• Jim and Sarah Hawkins
Grey Area (Neutral Territory Relationships)
* Duchess and the Triplets
* Pinocchio and Geppetto
* Mufasa and Sarabi with Simba (The Lion King)
* John Silver and Jim Hawkins (Treasure Planet)
* Mulan and her parents
* Moana and her parents
* The Sultan and Jasmine
* Chief Powhatan and Pocahontas
* Kerchak and Kala with Tarzan
* Wendy's Family
* Aladdin and Cassim
Toxic Relationships
• Kida and her father
• Prince Charming and The King
• Kronk and Papi
• Jim Hawkins and His Biological Father
• King Stefan and Queen Leah with Aurora
• Anna and Elsa's Parents
• Lady Tremaine
• Mother Gothel and Rapunzel
• Buck Cluck and Ace Cluck (bronze of Toxic)🥉
• The Evil Queen (silver of Toxic)🥈
• Frollo and Quasimodo (Gold of Toxic)🥇
Okay, Buck may have been horrible but I would hardly consider him worse than Tremaine and Gothel. At the very least, he did love his son deep down and realized his mistakes in the end, neither of which Tremaine and Gothel displayed in the slightest.
Yeah I’m with you. People still treat Buck like garbage. While he was horrible at the start, he meant what he said when he regretted his acts. We’re all Chicken Littles over here. We’re trying to explain that Buck regretted everything and yet NOBODY believes us, like how he said the sky is falling and nobody believes him. Buck is a mediocre character, but there’s a father far worse than him, as worse as Frollo. His name is Gabriel Agreste, from Miraculous Ladybug.
I would've put Mother Gothell at the same spot as Frolo. She may not have tried to kill Repunzel, but she was going to drag her away in chains and stop her from being herself, ever again. That's a fate worse than death. I would also put Chicken Little and his father up in the neutral tier, since his dad apologized in the end, and tried to be a better father. He was just misguided after losing his wife. He didn't know what to do for his son on his own.
I also would put them at the same spot!
Plus mother Gothel was straight up manipulative
That's something that everybody knows.
Mother Gothle nevered wanted to kill Rapunzel only Eugene
I know, dude. I said that she was going to drag her away in chains and stop her from being herself. That's a fate worse than death.
DreamWorks relationship: Healthy to toxic
Healthy: Shrek and Fiona
Toxic: Oscar and Lola or Oscar and Angie
For Dreamworks most toxic relationship I go for Oscar and Angie, especially because the movie attempts to portray it as healthy (or at least healthier than Lola's) when it clearly isn't: an asshole with no redeeming qualities and a "nice girl" with a "Nice Guy" mindset
I love Lewis’ relationship with his adoptive parents! 😊
I disagree with The Lion King relationship in the grey area.
The fact that Elsa and Anna's parents didn't even listen to the trolls is what makes it worst.
They said fear of her powers would be her undoing, so what do they do?
They lock her away to make her fearful of herself and others, make her fearful of her own powers by telling her she can't show anyone her powers, create a dungeon to keep her in (the one Hans puts her in when they get back), and then run around the world trying to get rid of her powers.
They feared her powers and that is what undid them, after they traumatized their daughter to be scared of herself and everyone else.
Cassandra learn the truth that she was left behind by oldest gothel when the guard captain adopted Cass after she got the moonstone in the present.
I think you should have put Duchess and the kittens higher up. She was only careless because she wasn't aware that what she was doing was dangerous. She did live her life out with an aristocrat remember.
I already knew Frollo and quasimodo would be no1
How did you leave out Cass and Hiro, from Big Hero 6? Despite a lack of communication, there is genuine love, from Cass, all the way through that movie. Hiro, once he gets his head out of his ass, about almost everything, really, shows her the love that she'd been showing him, the entire time.
It's a solid relationship, and a realistic depiction of the burden of grief and loss.
Jim Carrey characters: Good to Evil
Kanga and Roo (Winnie the Pooh) - Grey Area healthy on the level of Duchess and the kittens. She is a loving, good, and kind mother but too often Roo ends up in danger simply because he's allowed to go out on his own so often at such a young age.
Pacha and Chica and their children (The Emperor's New Groove) - Healthy. Both of them support their children's interests and take the time to listen to them babble on. As a family unit they are very supportive of each other and work together.
Plio and her children, Suri and Aladar (Dinosaur) - Healthy. Plio is Suri's biological mother and adoptive mother to Aladar. She is shown to be supportive of Aladar and doesn't see him as a monster which so many of her other family, including her father Yar, initially sees him as. She is the primal reason Aladar was ultimately accepted into the lemur family and is loved by every member, including Yar. She is a guiding force and mentor in Aladar's adult life. Her relationship with Suri is good too. She is loving and protective, but also gives Suri the chance to explore and be herself.
King Triton and Ariel (The Little Mermaid) - Grey Area Unhealthy. He obviously loves his daughter very much, but is so traumatized by his wife's death by humans that he absolutely forbids his 7 daughters from even going close to the surface. He is initially patient with Ariel when she breaks his rules, but overtime he loses his cool and eventually destroys her collection, driving her to go see Ursula. After Ariel's disappearance, he is seen regretting his decision and grieving. At the end, he ends up giving Ariel the life she wants, trusting her that she knows what's best for her. Their relationship starts off more toxic, but ends on the healthy side of things.
Also, I would definitely place Buck Cluck and Chicken Little above Gothel and Tremaine. Buck was emotionally neglectful yes, but he wasn't trying to be. He just didn't know how to handle the situation given to him, which does impact Chicken Little quite a bit. In the end, they end up repairing their relationship.
Not sure these would count, but in The Fox and the Hound, Tod had both Big Mama and Widow Tweed after his mother had to leave him someplace safe and Copper had Chief and Amos Slade
U forgot marlin and Nemo. Marlin went all around the ocean and went on very dangerous places and risking his life to save Nemo.
(Sorry no animals)
1. Maurice- despite he’s a tad eccentric, he completely accepts Belle’s dreams and learns to forgive Adam. I also liked he wasn’t pressuring her to giving Gaston a chance
2. Archimedes Porter- he’s just like Maurice, loves Jane and even encouraged her to follow her heart to stay with Tarzan instead, even willing to give up his career to be with them. Only thing is I think he’s a bit clumsy because he’s older.
3. Kala- Not counting Kerchek, Kala is so sweet, supportive and loving to Tarzan despite the other gorillas kinda judging her. She’s even willing to let Tarzan be with other humans. Kerchek at least in the end apologized for being so hateful towards him all because he couldn’t accept his own son being murdered.
4. Frederik and Ariana- they never gave up on ever seeing Rapunzel, the scene before I See the Light is so sad with Ariana wiping Frederik’s tear away. And the lantern literally symbolizing a beacon of hope and love for their daughter wherever she is. Best part is they managed to make the most romantic scene ever! I also really liked their relationship in the sequel as both do have struggles with developing genuine relationships with her and Eugene.
5. James and Eudora- very sweet couple that grew up in a racist society, and taught Tiana the value of hard work, but Eudora also reminding her not to literally slave her life away.
6. Hua Zu and Hua Li- despite its more they want Mulan to become a typical bride, Zu actually shows he truly loves his daughter by assuring her it just isn’t her time yet. Also they gave their YinYang necklaces to Shang and Mulan when noticing they do have opposite views on some things. They even let Mulan choose her husband instead of sending her back to the matchmaker. I also really loved Zu saying “The greatest gift and honor is having you for a daughter” not even looking at the sword or crest.
7. Kida and her father- He is willing to admit to Milo its his fault why Atlantis suffered the flood and it cost them her mother to protect them, instead of blaming it on the crystal or something. He only wants to protect her and his people from something he feared could easily kill them, especially in the wrong hands. He is grieving when learning Kida’s fate too, begging Milo to save her because unfortunately he dies the next second.
8. Powhatan and Pocahontas- He truly does love his daughter and ultimately wants her to be safe and happy. While he betrothed her to someone he thought for sure would be a perfect husband, he doesn’t really listen to her trying to say she doesn’t love Kokoum and already knows he can’t accept her free spirited nature, instead insisting its the right path regardless of what she feels or wants. Even in the end he still believes John Smith killed Kokoum but completely forgave him, even giving him his chief robe, calling him brother so basically kinda making him a prince status, and giving them his blessing if Pocahontas wanted to go with him. When Pocahontas chose her people, you could see he was proud she made a heartbreaking but mature decision, but still completely supported her no matter what. Don’t care what Disney says, Pocahontas and John Smith got married and became the next chiefs of her people.
9. Hercules Earth parents- Just isn’t my favorite movie. They’re so loving and supportive of him even knowing about his divine nature ever since they found him. Its so cute to see Hercules actually giving them a freaking temple and chariot from his royalties. Also Zeus and Hera completely accepting his decision to stay a mortal instead was very sacrificial.
10. Triton and Ariel- Triton imo is probably one of my least favorite dads because of how stoic and stern he is. In LM3 it does show he used to be a more gentle father when Athena was alive, but unfortunately her death lead to him forbidding anyone from going to the surface, his daughters having almost absolutely no fun, but ultimately NO MUSIC. I really love in the end Ariel helps him see banning music isn’t going to bring her back or anything, if anything its just driving Athena away even more. And Triton does finally learn to let go of her and restore music. Despite nearly blowing up the grotto when Sebastian tattled, the night Ariel is with Eric he is so worried this time he took things too far, making everyone probably including her sisters to look without rest until Ariel is home. He even gave up his soul? to revoke Ariel’s deal, and despite not really knowing Eric aside him impaling his crazy sister (yes Ursula and Triton are siblings) he still chooses to let Ariel be with the man she loves, knowing forcing her to stay a mermaid would just make her miserable forever. Plus the ending Triton lifts the ban of surfacing/human interaction.
HM: Its Pixar but I had to mention it. Hector and Coco! Despite he left to become a musician and Imelda resented him for “abandoning” them for his selfish gain, Remember Me is still so beautiful and undoubtedly one of the most beautiful love songs as all he wanted was to be with Imelda and Coco once again! Always bawl my eyes out at the end when Coco finally gets to be with her papa again! 😭
Cody’s parents should be mentioned here. Yes they did call the Australian officers and rangers to find Cody. However, they don’t go out of their way to join the search effort for Cody themselves, which would’ve been a bit heartwarming to see them spend their time to track their only son to McLeach's hideout in the mine. However, I can probably understand they were afraid that McLeach would’ve taken the chance to have them chased and possibly attacked by Joanna similar to what happened with Cody.
you left out Merida and Eleanor being that the whole movie was based upon building their relationship. They were definitely the most controversial and I'd definitely put them in between grey and toxic
Merida and Eleanor are from a Pixar movie, even though Merida counts as a disney princess, Pixar and Disney are 2 different studios.
The Casagrandes Sinner Medals
Darwin- Ronnie Anne
Greed- Carl
Gluttony- Vito
Lust- Sid
Envy- Bobby
Wrath- Carlitos
Sloth- Sergio
Pride- Rosa
Yes!
1. Where is Triton and Ariel?
2. If we are counting sequels what about Kira and Kovu and the other kids?
3. Mother Gothel was worse than Buck Cluck at least
4. I think Kala and Kershack needed to be separated because Kala and Tarzan's relationship was healthy and wholesome... We know the drill with Kershack, tho.
5. Zeus and Hercules deserved a spot too
Where is kristoff and the trools
I know!
6. Merida and Eleanor
Gothel is worse than Buck, I agree. Because even SHE tried to lock Rapunzel away when the secret was out. Buck and his son don’t even HAVE powers for immortality. While Buck was toxic at the beginning, he changed. In Padme’s words: “I know there’s good in him…”
Mother Knows Best- "plus I believe, you're getting kinda chubby! "
Honestly pretty funny when she squishes rapunzel's chubby cheeks 😆
1:45 Belle dad
5:58 Hercules fake Parents
7:50 Phillip dad
16:47 Charming dad
18:17 Aurora Parents
19:06 Anna and Elsa Parents
19:37 Lady Tremaine
21:47 Quasimododo
Is nobody gonna talk about the fact that such an iconic legend like Kronk deserves a better father?
I mean, he's Kronk, how can somebody treat him like that?
Let's be honest, you only put Buck Cluck that low because you know it's popular opinion to say he's "the worst", but he's clearly not worse than Gothel, Treimane, Jim Hawkins' dad, and a bunch more on that list... The guy just wasn't comfortable supporting his son's questionable and destructive attitudes, but when he realizes the mistake he made, he felt guilty and ran to fix it, tryng to save the boy and eventually helping him in his plan to save the world, even fighting an army of aliens for that.
Agreed. And yet everybody still calls him the worst. They clearly haven’t heard about Gabriel Agreste from Miraculous Ladybug. The fact everybody ignores Buck’s redemption is utterly ridiculous! Ya gotta understand Buck ain’t physically abusive. And another thing, he doesn’t even HAVE any powers nor does his son. It’s nowhere close to being as power-hungry-bad as Rapunzel and Gothel.
Do DreamWorks parental relationships: Healthy to Toxic
Yes!
There should be a How To Train Your Dragon Relationships: Healthy to Toxic!
would've replaced sarabi(as far as simba knew he thought scar would take care of everything with how he trusted him and thought everyone would be safer if he stayed away thinking he got his father killed,got pissed seeing scar hurt her and returned from his fathers words not only nala.) with king triton(could've avoided the stuff with ursula if he just let ariel explain herself.),
moana really isn't the same as mulans(wouldn't say it was forcing their views on her as they were understanding to her not fitting in.) as their world was literally getting the life sucked out by te fiti's heart being stolen and she nearly loses her life at sea as a baby,in king stefan's case maleficent was pretty petty with her actions,the fairies weren't that incompetent with aurora(they help give the prince a chance to actually hurt the witch for one.) and he does argue with hubert about their children marrying right away,with frollo still find it odd the priest even if it was out of his hands doesn't really have scenes of him comforting quasimodo considering he saved him .
with gepetto really wouldn't call it outright negligence more just natural of the times where they lived/jiminy could've done a better job averting him from honest john,would put gothel over buck cluck as he at least attempted to make up for everything chicken little went through protecting him from the aliens(especially when until they got teleported thought the alien robots were killing people with their beams/defended ace when the alien father blames him for taking his child.)/pressure from the way worse townspeople compared to gothel being a selfish narcissist who locked up rapunzel to use her power instead of naturally raising her and put tremaine/elsa's parents(even by disney standards they had a billion ways of handling elsa's problem instead of gaslighting her.) at the top as they are completely at fault for the movies events.
Jason Sudeikis characters good to evil
Angel 😇: RED from the angry birds movies
Devil 😈: Justin pin from next gen
11:24 Simba also returned because Mufasa’s ghost said he had to; also Simba went into exile because Scar manipulates him into thinking he killed Mufasa because of his youth You obviously didn’t watch the entire movie
Also Simba was pretty much the equivalent to an 8 year old when it happened so he got pretty messed up from the experience
@@Neevkl_7 in Lion years he’d be no more than 3- 4 months old
I loved chicken little and i’d put the dad low grey tear because it's less about his status and more of his son’s and he eventually saw the error of his ways
Same. When I saw Buck not being a good parent, I always reminded myself: “I know there’s good in him…”, like what Padme said about Anakin when he became Darth Vader.
Requests:
Tayo The Little Bus Characters: Good To Evil
Robocar Poli Characters: Good To Evil
Super Wings Characters: Good To Evil
Robot Trains Characters: Good To Most Heroic
Tobot Series Characters: Good To Evil
Go! Go! Cory Carson Characters: Good To Most Good
Inside Out Characters: Good To Most Heroic
Norm Of The North Characters: Good To Evil
The Emoji Movie Characters: Good To Evil
The Playmobil Movie Characters: Good To Evil
Zootopia Villains: Evil To Most Evil
Pixar Cars Villains: Evil To Most Evil
I’m surprised rapunzel and gothel weren’t put at number one. Tangled was basically a guide to identify gaslighting and abuse
Bruh Evil queen and Frolo are worst
Every time I see and hear Pete, I get the distinct impression that he’s a military brat, which would help explain a lot about him if you stop and think about it. It’s not that Pete is incapable of love (I mean, he DOES end up having a wife, son and daughter of his own)--but having a soldier as a father isn’t exactly a picnic, especially if he’s a Vietnam War soldier (no offense, guys, but be honest, being in ‘Nam during the 60s and 70s--as Pete’s dad would’ve been if you do the math--wasn’t exactly a cakewalk, was it?). Pete’s dad didn’t know how to deal with the trauma, so he wound up taking it out on him. So Pete wound up raising his own son the way he he himself had been raised. During the pool scene in The Goofy Movie, Goofy gently and meekly calls Pete out by saying, “Maybe Max isn’t all the things that you think a son should be but--he loves me.” Pete REALLY doesn’t like that and responds by saying, “Hey! My son RESPECTS me.” It’s like he’s saying, ‘If that’s the price I have to pay so my kid doesn’t end up in jail, then so be it.’ Pete IS a bad dad, but at least he tries to be a good one. After all, he provides for his family and makes sure they stay on the straight and (very) narrow--even if he himself occasionally strays. And if anybody messes with them, look out! And being his family, his wife and kids have to have at least an inkling of what he went through, which is why they’re able to stay with him and love him, even if he doesn’t know how to show and tell it back to them. Anyway, that’s just my theory, but it makes sense. Doesn’t it?
What about Julietta and Augustine? They seemed like good parents. And where’s king Triton with his kids?
MLP Friendship is magic Relationships: Healthy to Toxic.
My little pony friendship is magic: Good to Evil
11:06 But Scar told Simba to run away and never return. He was manipulated into thinking that Mufasa's death was his fault and thus, accepted his false punishment. That's why he didn't return regardless of what Nala told him about the Pridelands. The reason why Simba returned was because of Rafiki (and by proxy, Mufasa's spirit). Also he was pissed off when Sarabi was attacked by Scar so Simba did care about his mother. He just couldn't do anything about it due to the circumstances placed on him
All in all, I don't think placing Simba's relationship with his parents that low was all that fair.
[Healthy]
1 - Lucille, Bud Robinson, and Lewis
2 - Jane Porter and Archimedes
3 - Maurice and Belle
4 - Pongo, Perdita and ninety-nine Dalmatians
5 - Dumbo and his mother
6 - Mr and Olivia Flaversham
7 - Tiana, Eudora and James
8 - Charlotte and Big Daddy
9 - Hercules, Alcmene and Amfitrion
10 - Lilo and Nani
11 - Rapunzel and her parents
12. - Prince Phillip and King Hubert
13 - Bambi and his parents
14 - Jim and Sarah
[Grey Area]
15 - Duchess and the triplets
16 - Pinocchio and Geppetto
17 - Mufasa, Sarabi and Simba
18 - John Silver and Jim
19 - Mulan and her parents
20 - Moana and her parents
21 - The Sultan and Jasmine
22 - Chief Powatan and Pocahontas
23 - Kerchak, Kala and Tarzan
24 - Wendy's family
25 - Kasim and Aladdin
[Toxic]
26 - The Atlantean King and Kida
27 - The King and Prince Charming
28 - Kronk and Pappy
29 - Jim and his father
30 - King Stefan, Queen Leah and Aurora
31 - King Agnarr, Queen Iduna, Elsa and Anna
32 - Lady Tremaine, Cinderella, Drizella and Anastasia
33 - Mother Gothel and Rapunzel
34 - Buck and Ace
35 - Snow White and the Evil Queen
36 - Judge Claude Frollo and Quasimodo
Sorry I'm late and to be honest as a boy from the 2007 and who grew up with meet the Robinson I'm happy Lewis and his parents are the most healthy
But you forgot Pacha, Chica, Chaca, Tipo and Yupi from emperor's new groove!!
Say what you want about the King in Cinderella, in the end he just wanted his son to marry the girl that made him happy. He even asked if she's the girl he wanted to marry and even helped Anastasia when she had doubts. Even when she apologized and gave back the seashell, he told her to keep it as "everyone deserves true love". I truly think the characters were fleshed out more in the last film. The Prince didn't really have too much of a personality in 1 or 2 but in 3, he gets a massive upgrade and even risks his life to save Cinderella. Knowing his son has found his love, the King allows him to go off in the end. Honestly, I think the relationship between the King and Prince improves over the course of the third movie. I think also the Prince was distant in the original film due to being sent away for studies and such. Sure the King has a vile temper but I see that being taken out more on the poor Duke than anyone else. He does try to reason with his son. I also like the scene where the Prince is training with swords. So much talking between the two, probably more so than any other time. I don't believe it's toxic but it's definitely not the best. For that reason, I would put it on neutral tier myself.
I really didn’t like the Sultan but he still is better than Chicken Little’s egg donor. Julieta and Mirabel is my favorite parent-child relationship in Disney
I believed they should’ve added Kala and Tarzan in the healthy area or at least put Tarzan and his parents at different spots like you did with Jim Hawkin’s parents
Wicked Binge: Ranks Mufasa as Best Disney Dad.
Also Wicked Binge: Puts MufasaXSarabi and Simba in the Grey Area for Parental Relationships.
WHA??🤨❓⁉️
P.S. IS ZIRA A JOKE TO YOU!?!
Since no one else seems to be speaking up for Agnarr and Idunna: They were living in a time and place in which magic was equated with evil, and in point of fact the villains in most of the Disney movies that came out before Frozen were usually women with magic. Agnarr and Idunna were terrified that if Elsa's magic became publicly known their people would try to kill her and possibly Anna as well, which is actually pretty close to what almost happened. It's also possible that Agnarr was afraid that using her magic might make Elsa evil, especially since Anna had just been hurt because the girls were playing when they should have been asleep. Their decisions were made out of fear, not malice, and the trolls did say that fear would be Elsa's enemy.
That still doesn't excuse them for being toxic and incompetent parents.
and?? that doesn’t excuse them abusing her for years
@@lilac3266 Exactly.
Surprised Ariel and Triton and Pacha, Chica and their kids arent on the list...
im still hoping wickedbinge would make ducktales good to evil
theres a variety of good and evil characters and i would love to see who would be most good and evil
Yeah, Mulan’s family were putting so much expectations on her that she wanted to meet, but she was capable of making her own decisions and not everything you expect of someone can really be done. Especially when you don’t consider that you don’t get to make choices for someone, only they can make them themselves. The fact that you make someone feel too pressured and make them feel like they don’t get a say in what they want at all.
Jim Carrey characters good to evil
Love this list and all of these characters ❤️
Bambi was the first relationship I thought of 😂😊
I know they weren't on the list, but Virana and Namaari have probably the most toxic biological mother-daughter relationship in Disney. Virana brainwashed her daughter from the time she was in the womb right up until she was 18, and emotionally manipulated Namaari in order to do her bidding. I mean, Virana's already an extremely harsh individual, who threatened to kill Raya and also threatened her generals when they disagreed with her, but her treatment of Namaari was just abysmal. She proved throughout the movie that she doesn't care about her daughter, Virana only cares about having power and being seen as the "superior" ruler of all the lands in Kumandra. The icing on the cake is that Virana never apologized for what she did, and that ticked me off greatly.
Family Guy Relationships: Healthy to Toxic.
Yes!