I easily switched from my FZ-07 to the Enérgica Ribelle and still able to still ride with my petrol buddies through the same canyons, etc. as before. I almost never charge beyond 90% at EV chargers - as mentioned in the video, best to leave balancing at home overnight. My average top off at EV stations if needed is generally 20-30 min. but most rides are done on a single charge without stopping as they are well within the battery’s range when I leave my house.
Energica needs to be better about getting these bikes in the hands of the press. Thanks for the reviews and the tests! This and the Harley seem to be the only bikes that give the full EV experience with the fast charging, proper battery cooling etc.
You are correct, Last years livewire had a lower charging rate, the new one is indeed 24kw. also correct on the zero, I forgot they were charging at 12kw but you have to use a 22kw charger to get that. Thanks for highlighting my errors.
It's great to see the innovations in this sector, but it's still not quite there yet for me. I'd be able to accept waiting around for it to charge if it had at least a 150-200 mile range at highway speeds. My dirty two wheeled petrol drinker gets me 270 miles and takes 2 minutes to fill. And at the price it'd be enough to pick up my dream bike two times over... But this does give me hope that in 5-10 years time when they force us all to go electric that there'll be some great options out there!
Hmmm, not sure I like the idea of relying on that app to get the charging station to initiate charging, lots of potential failure points there. Otherwise, that recharge time is quite reasonable. Good that the app shows stations with known faults though. Does it show if a charge point is already in use by another vehicle? I can just imagine needing a recharge and you get to the only charge point in the area to find some Tesla or something already plugged in for an hour charge.
I think the way to go with this is home charging where ever possible my insurance company and I think most wouldn't allow you to keep this £30K slede outside for example my insurance Bennett's say my Africa Twin DCT has to be kept inside under lock and with a specific chain and lock I have a HU postcode
The thing about DCFC is right now it seems to be *totally* unreliable, especially for bikes. My best experiences so far have been on 22KW AC chargers for my SR/F which have all worked perfectly every time.
Whilst many people are frustratingly panic buying fossil fuel in long queues outside petrol stations, the electric charging point you visited looks like it's hardly ever used although right next to an undertakers - like you said, nothing to do but wait for death! Battery charging will significantly improve very quickly, graphene enhanced batteries are getting closer, with 500 mile potential for cars and near zero to full charging times under 10 ~ 15 minutes being targeted. No doubt other technologies will also accelerate developments. Very few people refuel traditional vehicles at home, visiting super fast charging points will become normal in the near future with home charging as a welcome option.
Ture people don't fill petrol cars at home, but you can with electric (and you have the means to do it at home) Big plus is every morning you have a "full tank" its cheaper than the ev stations and better for the batts atm. I too can't wait to see where the tech goes and I will be following it not ignoring it over the coming years. 🙂
Could you say what the tariff was on DC (compared to say the home 15p/kWh) and, if it is known and different, for AC on the power supply you used? Incidentally, for those who use pacemakers, while it is safe to ride on a motorcycle or sit inside a driven car, recent research has suggested you exercise caution when charging via poorly shielded cables when DC charging with the field strength along the charging cable increasing as current is increased. The study focused on a maximum of 32A-the current typically used by Level 2 home chargers. I've seen such a more relevant warning on the more powerful motorway DC fast charges in small print! It means that maybe you should tell the family member/passenger or pillion with the pacemaker to go get a cup of coffee (if available) while you’re hooking up to the high-power DC fast charging.
I’m getting one but deciding from a Energica or Zero. Seems like Energica has more to offer with the parking reverse and fast changing. You have to pay extra for that with a Zero.
People complain about wlectric vehicle charge times meaning they have to stop for half an hour but tbh if I'm goingna distance long enough that id need to charge mid way, I'd probably want a break anyway
I know electric bikes take awhile to charge and is something a person knows when buying one. Thing is I could have pulled up a pump filled my bike and been on my way before you had even got that bike plugged and charging its such a faff.
Really? You could do that in the last few days? Hahaha JK. This is not about now, it's about developing for the future, when you won't have a petrol bike or if you do fuel tax will make it stupid expensive go ride.
@@spicy110 yeah I know it's going to be one of the options in the future but still have hope for hydrogen fuel cells or even a Mr Fusion that would be cool. And yeah I have had no issues of filling up this week the benefits of starting work at 4.30am and it's ironically a BP I use.
I have done a video on hydrogen too, I would put money on it never being used in motorcycles in any serious mass way. Hydrogen works for large scale, long hr use things like trucks, diggers, crains. Cars are borderline and bikes out the question in my somewhat educated option. th-cam.com/video/lnAd-N007D0/w-d-xo.html
@@spicy110 will have to wait and see about hydrogen. I don't think I will looking to go electric for at least 5 years yet unless there's a big change in my finances by then the advancements will be huge.
Main thing with electric bikes and I do have first hand experience is that charging is the worst in the rain. Especially a charger like this one where there is no where to sit and really stay out of the rain. Not very fun
Shell alone aims to install 50,000 on street charging points by 2025, that's utilizing lamp posts, bollards and similar stations. Cities and large towns will see rapid EV charging point installation by many companies. The take up is going to be huge, especially if we get really cheap affordable EV's. If you live out of town always have the home charging option.
Can tell this was done before the panic buying, saying 40 minutes isnt as quick as petrol. Because 40 minutes these days is faster than going to a petrol station ahah!
until they can bring down the prices, most of these bikes will only be accessible to the few. All the EV bikes that can compete with ICE bikes cost 3 times as much
yes and engines degrade over time, for zero this is the claim "A typical Zero S or Zero DS can travel over 200,000 miles with the batteries retaining 80% of their original maximum capacity." most petrol bikes don't see 100k miles in a lifetime. also an engine with 100k on it is just , the battery is still useful for other uses. for example you can have solar panels put up and charge the old batt, then use that power to change your bike or run things in your house. That also gives you a back up for power cuts.
Admittedly, Motorbikes are all dangerous - The best safety tip when riding a motorcycle is to have loud pipes so that traffic around you can hear you before they see you - I can’t help but feel Electric motorcycles are an absolute death trap. Especially in a world in which people are on their phones constantly.
I suppose the best point at the moment for EV motorcycles is there's no panic buying instigated petrol shortage / long queues to fill up 👍👍🤣🤣 And you can use our ever popular EcoExpressway for buses, cyclists and ULEV's - - gets used every 12 mins by a bus and maybe every 30 mins by an ULEV (or a vehicle that's driven by Mr Magoo's relative) and only the occasional cyclist because most still use the fairly acceptable cycle path that was there before the EcoExpressway.......otherwise those 2 EcoExpressway lanes are as busy as a swimming pool after all the previous swimmers suffered diarrhoea I know....someone's got to say the bloody obvious and it was me
58 minutes to fuel up (charge) ? That's a joke. And the amount of steps you have to do to start the charging process - that's another joke. Just another sky-high expensive commuter toy.
Where did you get 58 mins from? This took 36 mins and half of that is was not charging at full rate due to me not putting it on that setting. As for steps? (Admittedly when it works right) 1. open app press start a charge and select plug. 2. plug in and press charge. 3. unplug and leave. Also it is not a commuter toy its one of the most powerful electric motorcycles produced, with better range and faster charging than pretty much anything out there in EV bikes. This bike and people buying them are helping push the future development of the motorcycle that will be sold in the UK, there will be no new petrol bike.
@@spicy110 Yes spicy I agree what you say about this bike. I think you said 58min when you first plugged in. But nevertheless even 30 minutes is way too long for me when I go on my fast rideout to North Wales refuelling 3-4 times which take no more than 5 minutes each. No to mention astronomically high price for this bike - to me this is just a future concept. But as a commute toy (no further than 50 miles) at 3 times lower price it might be nice.
@@ckrz1234 there are a few things that need to be taken into account. While you're filling up with petrol, the rider has to stay with the bike, The EV rider could have a coffee and a pee while his is charging. so the two could "refuel" in roughly the same time. The cost of the "fuel" is lower, the maintenance costs are lower. I agree that it's a bigger outlay but it will recuperate that cost over time.
Its pretty awesome honestly, these electric bikes are starting to win me over.
You know that
That's a lot to pay for some inconvenience fill up fuel could be 80 miles away in the time you charge that
@@trevorshort7119 oomo
@@trevorshort7119 considering most days I only do 30 miles a day for my commute, that's perfectly fine.
@@trevorshort7119 to ride silent through the night is a blast !!!! .. wouldnt trade it for any ice anymore !!!!
This bike has more range than my MT09
I easily switched from my FZ-07 to the Enérgica Ribelle and still able to still ride with my petrol buddies through the same canyons, etc. as before.
I almost never charge beyond 90% at EV chargers - as mentioned in the video, best to leave balancing at home overnight.
My average top off at EV stations if needed is generally 20-30 min. but most rides are done on a single charge without stopping as they are well within the battery’s range when I leave my house.
Energica needs to be better about getting these bikes in the hands of the press. Thanks for the reviews and the tests! This and the Harley seem to be the only bikes that give the full EV experience with the fast charging, proper battery cooling etc.
@@spicy110 as far as I know, zero tops out at a 12kw charge rate, and the Harley does a peak of 25kw
Hmmm I may have been given some off information. I will look in to it more and get my understanding on track.
You are correct, Last years livewire had a lower charging rate, the new one is indeed 24kw. also correct on the zero, I forgot they were charging at 12kw but you have to use a 22kw charger to get that. Thanks for highlighting my errors.
And propper service !!! .. not like one other big manufacturer
Love the engine sound 😁✌
It's great to see the innovations in this sector, but it's still not quite there yet for me. I'd be able to accept waiting around for it to charge if it had at least a 150-200 mile range at highway speeds. My dirty two wheeled petrol drinker gets me 270 miles and takes 2 minutes to fill. And at the price it'd be enough to pick up my dream bike two times over... But this does give me hope that in 5-10 years time when they force us all to go electric that there'll be some great options out there!
But what does innovations mean for people buying an €30k electric bike buy right now when they want to sell it over 5 years.
Love the sound it makes
Interesting stuff.
I gave the Zero SR/F a go a couple weeks back and really enjoyed the ride. Just can't wrap my head around that hefty price tag. :)
defo hard to justify right now unless you really want an eclectic I know.
And with zero if it breaks you are very out of luck .... though fun bikes .. riding zero fx for 7 years now
Those amenities at that particular charger are quite…interesting… the fitness outfit sounds like fun :)
Nice one mate I reckon electric is the way to go soon 👍🏻
Thanks for the videos. I'm buying one of these bad boys soon!
sounds like the cops are constantly following you XD
Very impressive!
Hmmm, not sure I like the idea of relying on that app to get the charging station to initiate charging, lots of potential failure points there. Otherwise, that recharge time is quite reasonable. Good that the app shows stations with known faults though. Does it show if a charge point is already in use by another vehicle? I can just imagine needing a recharge and you get to the only charge point in the area to find some Tesla or something already plugged in for an hour charge.
Looks awesome.
Do you thinks the joys of having smooth gear less acceleration and progressive regenerative braking will make ICE bikes less attractive
thank you
I think the way to go with this is home charging where ever possible my insurance company and I think most wouldn't allow you to keep this £30K slede outside for example my insurance Bennett's say my Africa Twin DCT has to be kept inside under lock and with a specific chain and lock I have a HU postcode
It is always better to do home charging if possible as it is cheaper, better for the batt and every morning your "tank in full" 🙂
Is this normal for the UK? Sounds like load of rubbish to me (coming from the Netherlands)
Why oh why can't you just put your card to the machine instead of all the faff with apps? Biggest turn off for electrics for sure.
Not sure tbh, it would make the process much easier.
@@spicy110 Sure would. Great stuff as always Spicy. Cheers.
oooo maybe its a age restriction thing, also there are agreement you have to ok on the app when setting up.
The thing about DCFC is right now it seems to be *totally* unreliable, especially for bikes. My best experiences so far have been on 22KW AC chargers for my SR/F which have all worked perfectly every time.
Really depends where ... in holland now dc is the way to go
Whilst many people are frustratingly panic buying fossil fuel in long queues outside petrol stations, the electric charging point you visited looks like it's hardly ever used although right next to an undertakers - like you said, nothing to do but wait for death! Battery charging will significantly improve very quickly, graphene enhanced batteries are getting closer, with 500 mile potential for cars and near zero to full charging times under 10 ~ 15 minutes being targeted. No doubt other technologies will also accelerate developments. Very few people refuel traditional vehicles at home, visiting super fast charging points will become normal in the near future with home charging as a welcome option.
Ture people don't fill petrol cars at home, but you can with electric (and you have the means to do it at home) Big plus is every morning you have a "full tank" its cheaper than the ev stations and better for the batts atm. I too can't wait to see where the tech goes and I will be following it not ignoring it over the coming years. 🙂
Could you say what the tariff was on DC (compared to say the home 15p/kWh) and, if it is known and different, for AC on the power supply you used?
Incidentally, for those who use pacemakers, while it is safe to ride on a motorcycle or sit inside a driven car, recent research has suggested you exercise caution when charging via poorly shielded cables when DC charging with the field strength along the charging cable increasing as current is increased. The study focused on a maximum of 32A-the current typically used by Level 2 home chargers. I've seen such a more relevant warning on the more powerful motorway DC fast charges in small print!
It means that maybe you should tell the family member/passenger or pillion with the pacemaker to go get a cup of coffee (if available) while you’re hooking up to the high-power DC fast charging.
nice sound xD sounds almost as good as my vacuum cleaner
Wanna race, I bet this one is faster! haha
@@spicy110 hahahahha xD lets go
I’m getting one but deciding from a Energica or Zero. Seems like Energica has more to offer with the parking reverse and fast changing. You have to pay extra for that with a Zero.
The Energica really is the bike to beat on the specs it is just that extra cost.
@@spicy110 yes and weight. That’s all I’ve been doing is watching electric motorcycle videos.
weight doesn't matter, the SR/F and the EVA RS feel very much alike. SR/F handles really good tho!
@@spicy110 nice. Hard to choose between the two. We will see what 2023 brings for both.🤙🏼
People complain about wlectric vehicle charge times meaning they have to stop for half an hour but tbh if I'm goingna distance long enough that id need to charge mid way, I'd probably want a break anyway
exactly!
I know electric bikes take awhile to charge and is something a person knows when buying one. Thing is I could have pulled up a pump filled my bike and been on my way before you had even got that bike plugged and charging its such a faff.
Really? You could do that in the last few days? Hahaha JK. This is not about now, it's about developing for the future, when you won't have a petrol bike or if you do fuel tax will make it stupid expensive go ride.
@@spicy110 yeah I know it's going to be one of the options in the future but still have hope for hydrogen fuel cells or even a Mr Fusion that would be cool. And yeah I have had no issues of filling up this week the benefits of starting work at 4.30am and it's ironically a BP I use.
I have done a video on hydrogen too, I would put money on it never being used in motorcycles in any serious mass way. Hydrogen works for large scale, long hr use things like trucks, diggers, crains. Cars are borderline and bikes out the question in my somewhat educated option. th-cam.com/video/lnAd-N007D0/w-d-xo.html
@@spicy110 will have to wait and see about hydrogen. I don't think I will looking to go electric for at least 5 years yet unless there's a big change in my finances by then the advancements will be huge.
Was this the new EMCE model?
hey did it take some getting used to dc fast charge? i just got mine im having an issue charging
All I can say when I had this bike is you plug it in and it will charge at the fastest rate available on that given charger.
Main thing with electric bikes and I do have first hand experience is that charging is the worst in the rain. Especially a charger like this one where there is no where to sit and really stay out of the rain. Not very fun
Yep my video charging the zero SR/F was in the rain, zero cover.
@@spicy110 Yeh I remember. Its not fun but I imagine on the next 5 years this will change
Now it’s just a mater of time until manufacturing cost come down and charging infrastructure catches up 😉🏍👍.
Shell alone aims to install 50,000 on street charging points by 2025, that's utilizing lamp posts, bollards and similar stations. Cities and large towns will see rapid EV charging point installation by many companies. The take up is going to be huge, especially if we get really cheap affordable EV's. If you live out of town always have the home charging option.
Queues? What petrol queues?
how much is the insurance ? for 30k bike
That has a lot to do with many things that are not related to the bike, so it is kinda impossible to say as a general answer.
I'm sure a Spicy dancing video would get a lot of views, maybe more subs to get you to 100,000.
KALIMPONG!!!!!!
Can tell this was done before the panic buying, saying 40 minutes isnt as quick as petrol. Because 40 minutes these days is faster than going to a petrol station ahah!
Correct Sir! The bike went back on Friday! God damn it! haha
can i has
Still looks like a pain in the arse to charge. I would love one, but not a 25 - 30k, I will stick with my crossrunner until prices come down a bit.
until they can bring down the prices, most of these bikes will only be accessible to the few. All the EV bikes that can compete with ICE bikes cost 3 times as much
Yes, like all new tech that has ever been made.
E-SUPERBIKES are going to be the game changer. A game changer to normalise the onslaught of e cars
Battery over time will lose its charge giving shorter range. I can’t see how battery is going to work.
yes and engines degrade over time, for zero this is the claim "A typical Zero S or Zero DS can travel over 200,000 miles with the batteries retaining 80% of their original maximum capacity." most petrol bikes don't see 100k miles in a lifetime. also an engine with 100k on it is just , the battery is still useful for other uses. for example you can have solar panels put up and charge the old batt, then use that power to change your bike or run things in your house. That also gives you a back up for power cuts.
Topical timing
The bike went back on Friday! hahaha I wish the timing was a week later 🙂
Admittedly, Motorbikes are all dangerous - The best safety tip when riding a motorcycle is to have loud pipes so that traffic around you can hear you before they see you - I can’t help but feel Electric motorcycles are an absolute death trap. Especially in a world in which people are on their phones constantly.
Many would argue with that statement. I agree in part and not in others, I talked about it in this video. th-cam.com/video/05FWWv3BZFQ/w-d-xo.html
I suppose the best point at the moment for EV motorcycles is there's no panic buying instigated petrol shortage / long queues to fill up 👍👍🤣🤣
And you can use our ever popular EcoExpressway for buses, cyclists and ULEV's - - gets used every 12 mins by a bus and maybe every 30 mins by an ULEV (or a vehicle that's driven by Mr Magoo's relative) and only the occasional cyclist because most still use the fairly acceptable cycle path that was there before the EcoExpressway.......otherwise those 2 EcoExpressway lanes are as busy as a swimming pool after all the previous swimmers suffered diarrhoea
I know....someone's got to say the bloody obvious and it was me
I had to return the bike on Friday! god damn it! HAHA
58 minutes to fuel up (charge) ? That's a joke. And the amount of steps you have to do to start the charging process - that's another joke. Just another sky-high expensive commuter toy.
Where did you get 58 mins from? This took 36 mins and half of that is was not charging at full rate due to me not putting it on that setting. As for steps? (Admittedly when it works right) 1. open app press start a charge and select plug. 2. plug in and press charge. 3. unplug and leave. Also it is not a commuter toy its one of the most powerful electric motorcycles produced, with better range and faster charging than pretty much anything out there in EV bikes. This bike and people buying them are helping push the future development of the motorcycle that will be sold in the UK, there will be no new petrol bike.
@@spicy110 Yes spicy I agree what you say about this bike. I think you said 58min when you first plugged in. But nevertheless even 30 minutes is way too long for me when I go on my fast rideout to North Wales refuelling 3-4 times which take no more than 5 minutes each. No to mention astronomically high price for this bike - to me this is just a future concept. But as a commute toy (no further than 50 miles) at 3 times lower price it might be nice.
@@ckrz1234 there are a few things that need to be taken into account. While you're filling up with petrol, the rider has to stay with the bike, The EV rider could have a coffee and a pee while his is charging. so the two could "refuel" in roughly the same time. The cost of the "fuel" is lower, the maintenance costs are lower.
I agree that it's a bigger outlay but it will recuperate that cost over time.