Good villains take reasonable suggestions and push them to unreasonable extremes. Mordo was right to be concerned with the abuses of power that could result from reality-bending sorcery, but let's not forget that he was overzealous and overly cruel when he took away a man's ability to walk. Pangborn literally said that he found his miracle and settled for it: he was the very picture of restraint, and the antithesis of an abuse of power. He got just enough power to do what he felt was necessary, then stopped and returned to a normal life. Mordo saw fit to rob him of that. He wasn't justified in doing so.
Good point. Mordo is ideologically right, but being right about a thing does not automatically mean that you make the right choices or behaviors based on those correct beliefs. In other words, He may be correct, but he has poor judgment with respect to executing those beliefs. And yes, that makes him a good villain. Much like Killmonger.
@@uveshpanja6293 he was granted a chance so he could help others but he decided to use it for his own usage instead of a greater good. Not saying he doesn't deserve to live his life, but he could have done more with the power that he received. That's why Mordo taking it back can be justified in the "grand scheme" or things.
I think it’s more likely that Wong was lying and HE was the one training Blonsky… Perhaps he was helping with his rehabilitation, for some reason more important that we’ll find out later. The interplay between them is hilarious, especially when he mentioned Kamar-Taj is lovely this time of year, which Blonsky seemed to agree with - indicating he may have been there and the cage fight wasn’t the only time he’d broken out of prison with Wong.
If Strange actually sat down with Spider Man and made sure Peter knew what he wanted and understood the ramifications, they could have avoided messing up the spell.
@@aurumvale9908 Just bad writing in his character. If Peter taunted him to do the spell or Christine is at risk, that would be understandable since it is part of his character.
What makes it even worse is that Strange faced little to no consequences for what happened in No Way Home it was Peter who had to suffer from it all while Strange didn't.
When Steven uses the self punching spell on the pizza ball guy, it was actually rather cruel. The guy was mostly just rude and the punishment didn't fit the crime.
@@HEVELproyectofficial the reference is still there lmao, it dosent mean strange wasn’t being a dick by doing that the guy could’ve died from a confusion
@@aquavertihama7367 the reference was the he couldnt control his hand just like in Evil Death when his hand was possed by a demon, it was just that a reference and a joke for the fans of evil death saga.
I agree! Mordo is [largely] right! And Wong's recent self-serving actions and lack of accountability-especially for someone who was introduced as such a literally 'by-the-book' sorcerer-seem really out of character. Is there more to this, than MCU is letting on?
@@dillongooding8664 If you need me to spell it out: he prioritized his own desires to train himself, over the justice system and others’ safety. He was being recklessly selfish.
I feel like Mordo is right in sorcerers need to be checked til the bill comes due but he's wrong that they need to be killed by not paying the bill that was due. As for Wong I imagine eventually there's probably gonna be a punishment for him like maybe the Sorcerer Supreme title is taken away from him or he is punished by doing something else like chores in Kamra Taugh
I actually think Wong is lying about his part in the Abomination breakout, He mentioned Kuma-te in the hearing but never mentioned anything about it to Jen. Also, that line about "pull your punches" in Shang-Chi makes me wonder as well. I know Marvel is notorious for changing plans but something doesn't hold up here. I think there is a lot we don't know still and both Blonski and Wong are covering up something.
Clearly Wong is only tell the story that suits him, this is part of the problem. Just like tyrants and malevolent dictators can be beloved leaders by some, so-called super heroes are often villains when looked at from another perspective.
Yes, in the MCU, Mordo was right, however in the Marvel Comics Universe, Doctor Strange had more control over right and wrong and the live between. he turned many heroes away, not wanting to intervene in their affairs, only to later get sucked in and fix everything.
MCU Dr Strange does feel like a completely different character to the Dr Strange I know from the comics. Comics Strange always had a feeling of seriousness and gravitas to him and a sense of duty to his role as a protector from incursions from the supernatural realms. MCU Dr Strange feel like a bit like an entitled douche. The Dr Strange movies have been a bit of a disappointment for me. The first Dr Strange kind of started my disillusion with the MCU.
Wong’s attitude is exactly the reason that civilian governments wrote the Sokovia Accords. Mordo sees this same problem, as the world’s government, that most of the Avengers could individually take on a whole nation’s military.
the Sokovia Accords were also terrible let's not forget that they would actually be illegal in the US meaning if the creators knew US law then they would know that the Sokovia Accords would never work plus the one who gave that speech to pass them was the King of Wakonda so that just leaves a bunch of problems with hypocrisy
the Sokovia Accords were written by the same people that decided that nuking New York was the best course of action. and let's face it, it's literally laws on people's bodies. add to this the red flag of the face for the Accords being Ross of all people? every time he gets involved things get much worse. and that's before he gets reckless. don't forget how abomination came to be in the first place. then you have who falls under the Accords. at first it seems like just enhanced but really it became anyone with skill sets they could use later. the Accords eventually became the problem.
One other thing, Wong and Blonsky must have had things planned.. remember when Wong was teleporting he and Abomo after the fight, he mentioned that the punch wasn't how they 'trained.'They had this shit planned and it probably wasn't the only time he had broken Blonsky out of jail.... also, if he was smart he would have just left an illusion to show Blonsky being in his cell. it's kinda ridiculous how much Wong's attitude changed after he was the Supreme... it just seems so out of character considering he and Mordo were the rule police bitches before. hmmmm
Yeah that’s why the case didn’t make sense to me. It sounded like Wong and abomination do this thing quite often but in the show they made it sound like it was a one time thing
Strange lost the sorcerer supreme title because he was irresponsible and careless, once wong got the job he realized it was too stressful so he is behaving like dr strange because he wants out but doesnt want to say it out loud. Thats not an actual opinion, i have no answer for wongs sudden desire to copy dr stranges personality.
@@HOAXTelevision bruh if you dont pay attention to the movies don't try and comment saying what definitely happened lmao. Strange literally lost the title because he was blipped for 5 years. Wong is written this way because Jessica gao is trash and doesn't know what to actually do
It's entirely possible Wong did leave an illusionary spell, considering the only reason they were found out was because of viral online video footage. If there was surveillance evidence of Blonsky missing, he would have been found out WELL before the online video was released. I think the whole thing is bigger than what Wong and Blonsky are telling us though. It's even possible that the prison was aware of their arrangement and the only reason Wong and Blonsky are in hot water now is because the public knows and the prison needs to cover its own ass.
Actually, it doesnt really make sense that Strange and Wong are behaving so recklessly. Even Wanda is aware of the consequences of her actions, when she went after America Chavez in MoM. Or at least the movies dont provide enough details and story, to explain why they are willing to be so reckless. Pretty weird for MCU, as the team had been willing to spend time and effort to provide the details of why each villain behaved (Obadiah, Loki, Red Skull, Ultron, Darren Cross, Zemo, Thanos, Ava Starr, Wanda, etc)
The scene in no way home when dr strange was performing a very important and risky spell for Peter while changing the spell as he did it made no sense, like just have Peter write exactly what he wants, he’ll at least have a conversation about the details before you start 💀, i suspect drug use lol
@@wesbesttreacts4515 Honestly, it seemed like Strange was just doing the spell to get Peter to leave him alone. Neither of them put much thought into it.
Mordo is right in that there will always be people who abuse power but that can be said for any group. The obvious solution is limiting the number of people using that power but Mordo was also apparently obsessed with destroying anyone good or bad to reduce the numbers of magic users rather than dealing with the worst offenders, like Agatha, which is where he invalidates himself.
well, the only thing I can say to defend Strange about Wanda and Peter Is that for Wanda, he trusted her as an Avenger that she would put things right in the end and she did, he just wasn't aware of her using the Darkhold or, that is what I understood during DS:MoM For Peter, he wanted to help Peter out again as a fellow Avenger, however, he also thought Peter had already tried talking to the board of the universities and that still failed so this was a last ditch attempt, but Peter didn't know he could plead his case to the universities and Strange got right mad with Peter when he found out that Peter hadn't even tried talking to the board of the universities or other avenues to get into an ivy league with his friends. Tony cared a lot for Peter and I'm sure Pepper felt the same way. Peter could have done a lot more before going to Strange.
The issue with Wanda is that we didn’t see to big an interaction between Strange and her. Even if she was an Avenger, after his time with the Ancient One, he should’ve been more wary of things. Marvel dropped the ball on having people outside be aware of Westview, because it makes you wonder why Strange, Wong, or even the others Avengers didn’t investigate. As for Peter, I fell like it was a big jump. Ok if he pleaded his case and it didn’t work, he ha team of heroes who could’ve plead his case on how terrible after all the kid did to save the world that he and his friends are being banned from uní
SHE DID PUT THING RIGHT lol??? Tell me one thing that She did compensate what She did? oh Yes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, that's bc Marvel wanted people to have her as villain that "redeemed" herself for the shit She did herself in westview... but as shown in the final of the series, She went straight up after the thing that ducked so many lives
@@BluemoonLacrymosa The Avengers has already been disbanded after Endgame. Why do you think some of the heroes act individually in their journey nowadays?
strange gouldve also just explained what he was about to do without starting it right than and there while Peter was still explaining what was going on
Either Jimmy Woo and Scott Lang should be the new Sorcerer Supreme, they are the only magicians who have shown restraint and care with their mystical powers.
Fun Fact: The magic based policeman does exist in MCU and Comics. It's the Living Tribunal He is a cosmic entity who keeps balance bit if your read comics he shows up in its mainly He keeps Balance to magic itself. He doesn't care if humans are destroyed He only cares if multiverse itself is harmed or impacted.
Did you forget Wong saying, "Pull your punches like we practiced." to Blonski. You're right about wizards be wizarding but Wong is still lying and covering for something. Wong had to win that fight for some reason. Could be pizza money or a secret mission.
I agree for that very reason... Blonsky is lying as well. His answers to Jen was too rehearsed. He wasn't indignant about being "forced" to leave, he had that answer ready to go. They're both covering up something bigger.
@@jaredlewis3001 Yeah, Thunderbolts is in there somewhere. Not sure what Wong's connection is, but I wouldn't be surprised if Allegra de Fontaine is playing him to get Blonsky or some such.
We haven’t seen the scene where Jen says the line about “book of American Laws” or something like that. I think charges will be filed against Wong for breaking Blonksy out of prison and he hire Jen to represent him.
I still think Valentina (the lady from Falcon and the Winter Soldier and from Black Widow) is still somewhat involved in Abomination eventually joining the Thunderbolts.
When Ned became a wizard, it felt like Legend of Korra when a bunch of people randomly became Airbenders. It felt a bit more organic in that show. Ned was supposed to be "the guy in the chair" man
MAN! I LOVED this video! You brought up some VERY interesting ideological points about heroes and the paths they take for "the greater good". I loved how you were able to show that Mordo may actually BE the good guy in this - because you're right, all these mystics have been using their abilities mostly for their own agendas and not necessarily for the betterment of mankind. MARVELOUS video Ryan!!
Honestly, they had such a departure from the original Doctor Strange movie. Up until Endgame, Wong and Strange were great characters, now, they are more of a caricature of what they used to be.
@@IAmMightyMike it’s not hard to believe a skrull has been training as a sorcerer since the events of captain marvel then seized the opportunity to imitate Wong once he became sorcerer supreme.
I think this conversation goes back to Zemo as well. Because they have power it easily lends them to supremacist thinking. There aren't many who can hold a super powered person accountable except another super powered person (which is why, i assume, the Hulk is adamant that She-hulk MUST become a superhero). However, both Zemo and Mordo are at extremes (and like you said Mordo is abusing his power also by murderizing folks unsanctioned). This is starting to give me really bad vibes that Civil War Part 2 is on the horizon and the bill comes due.
Your opinion isn't especially popular among Marvel fans, but I think you're right. The idea that superheroes can just barge around doing whatever they want, wherever they want, because "it's the right thing to do" is supremacist thinking. The fact that this debate is happening in the MCU at all is a big part of why I like this series so damned much. In both comics and movies, it's so common for superheroes to have these fights that would do millions of dollars in damage and almost certainly at least seriously injure a few people, possibly kill them, and it's NEVER addressed. That always really turned me off to the superhero genre. That sense of accountability makes the MCU so much different than anything that's come before, and I'm here for it.
@@agizowat2545 oh i don’t doubt it. With Jen basically giving the DODC the idea for the inhibitors… i believe they’re gonna be the new “mutant rehabilitation center” type thing
In Multiverse of Madness Dr. Strange told America how Mordo vowed to destroy him, which says to me that he and Mordo have crossed paths again since the end of Dr. Strange's first movie
Really interesting topic, thanks. I'm in Mordo team since the beginning. He's quite extreme, i agree but as you said, no-one else questions the moral code of "heroes".
Im still stuck on the power dampening braclet thing. So, remember In episode 1, Banner has a device that stops him from transforming into hulk. Then imediatly says its impossible to build one for his cousin? Well, in episode 3, shehulk manager to get the Abomination on parole. But a condition of his parole is to wear a ankle bracelet that stops his from transforming..... Sigh, wish they'd make up their mind if that tech is impossible or not
I think it's more that Jennifer and Blonsky weren't transformed the same way Bruce was. Abomination's strength came from what seemed to be a prototype Super Soldier serum and an infusion of Bruce's blood. Jennifer was just from Bruce's blood and being a family member with similar genetic traits. Bruce would likely need to dedicate a lot of time to building a customized device for each of them after a lot of trial and error given how different they are. We also don't know how the bracelet would stop him from transforming. Would it just heavily sedate him, actually neutralize his transformation as it starts, or simply be a transmitter and tracker that tells a specialized containment team that Blonsky has broken the terms of his parole and that they should bring in the heavy containment weaponry to get him back in jail?
@@shinzero0271 sadly thats worse for the plot. Because now the parole board is assuming there is a technology that doesn't exist and requiring that abomination wear it. We know it doesn't already exist otherwise he would already be wearing one to stop him from transforming. We already saw he can transform inside the cage he is in, and she-hulk points out that he could have broken the cage anytime he wanted
Technically the memory erasing thing can be justified, just that they did it wrongly. Like what HISHE has pointed out, they should've just erased everyone's memories of Mysterio instead.
@@heythere7905 Read closely what you have said. People lost memories who "Peter Parker" is, of course they would remember the person called "Spiderman", cause the name "Spiderman" is not "Peter Parker".
Wong has become an inconsistent character. He started off more as the voice of restraint, and was needed to balance Strange's recklessness. But now Wong flips between restraint, and doing whatever the fuck he wants. I like the character, but they really need to settle on what he is supposed to be.
Whilst true, I think the point is Wong has spent so much time with strange by this point that he’s loosened up a bit. He’s allowing himself to be a bit more reckless but is more constrained when it’s really required
I hope that the reason we didn't see 616 Mordo is because they're going to bring him back to reinforce his memorable quote. Clea already stated that Strange created an incursion & recruited him to fix it.
There are some clear parallels between the Sorcerers in the MCU and the Jedi of the Prequel era; arrogance and hubris blinding their own judgement and threatening the galaxy and themselves in the process.
I feel like wang is definitely a scroll, I think the last time we saw the real wang was spiderman no way home, wangs comment in she hulk about training to become the sorcer supreme which he already is, and if wang was a scroll it could explain how they inevitably make dr strange the sorcerer supreme again.
I enjoyed this take. I don't think Steven S. actions are entirely comparable to Wong's though. Wong's actions (although a small abuse) of his power in no way would lead to Stange level consequences. He actually told Strange not to cast spell. Abomination cage fight was never really a treat, since he could be teleported back into cell, by multiple magic users no where near Wong's power levels. Small abuses of power do tend to led to greater abuses though, in that regard Mordo was right.
Well you'd have to take a different approach when thinking of Wong: no, he isn't doing things that could fracture the multiverse, but he's now in a more legal and political place with his magic since he decided to break out a highly dangerous military super villain, which made mass media. I can already see them spinning this into something about the lack of respect for authority from these magic users. While not on as significant of a scale, it's still quite a large hindrance; a more of a constant struggle to actively deal with. And you can't just go erasing memories again, so you'd have to actually live with whatever happens.
@@KxngKUDA True, definitely in more political environment, but that had already begun with accords. Political issues won't matter much though when Worlds/Galaxies start collapsing in on each other. I think Wong sees in Blonsky what Fury saw in Banner. Right or wrong, that Blonsky may be helpful in the times ahead.
Your missing the point. The point is that the super hero community is UNRULY. They show little to no respect for rules and regulations. There is NO OVERSIGHT. Its a bad message to show for heroes and audiences that you can do whatever the hell you want. It will be too late for you to care when the consequences come back to bite
@@Dogofwar9 I agree with Stark and Strange, in fact, in real world Stark should of been brought up on War Crimes (due to Ultron). Fury was technically breaking law by aiding and allowing Banner to stay hidden (long before he was Avenger). The governments/Shield themselves had been infiltrated by Hydra. Wong, (although technically wrong) assuming that higher-ups in military don't already know and agree with Wong's actions. If he's not willing to do memory related spells-it's hard to believe that someone in this state of art prison, wouldn't notice someone the size of Hulk vanishing and reappearing. The reason he wouldn't answer question could be that it was classified.
I think Phase 4 proved Tony was right (once again) in civil war Two ideologies: Captain: we remain free and will deal with the things as they unfold Tony : we wil make sacrifices to make sure things go right . After Phase 4 I think that debate is settled.
Maybe there has to be a balance between Iron and Capt.. Captain America was more about them dealing with things on their own and Iron Man was about having the government interfere and having him and other smart intelligent people create solutions for alien invasions and other threats. Captain America while also working for the government saw that those threats were best dealt by them. Captain America was considered wrong all along the first Civil War in the comics.
@@berniebernal yeah you are right but in civil war Captain asked what if government got corrupted and have personal agenda and Tony replied That's why I am here .So he would not let that happen easily. As Nat said all matters is them staying together which Infinity war proved .
That episode proved that not only is there too many sorcerers but it also proves that Zemo is right and that we should hold heroes accountable for their actions and arrest those that break the law. This is why the MCU needs the Thunderbolts. A government sanctioned team that can control the actions of heroes so that another Ultron can't rise again. Tony said it best in Civil War that the heroes are becoming the villains.
Its like when Wanda said "When you do it you're a hero, when I do it's a problem". There's always an excuse when thye do it but when everyone else does it, they become the villain/anti-hero.
Just to be clear, the events of She-Hulk occur shortly after Shang Chi around the same time as Spider-Man Far from Home. The events of Spider-Man No Way Home occurs several months later, around the beginning of November 2024, just after Halloween. The memory spell that Wong speaks of is one that he must have done himself that had bad consequences, and gave him reason to discourage Stephen Strange from it months later.
Idk but they are def mentioning these memory spells for a reason. I think, for 1, him acknowledging the spell is messy is a way to tell us marvel knows the details of the spell in no way home are questionable. This show talks to the audience a lot like hulk saying he was a different person when he fought blonsky. And 2, I think we will find out this memory spell was performed on a larger scale at some point. The world was made to forget something (like maybe mutants).
@@iamhim2285 In She-Hulk, Wong indicated that he had recently used a memory spell and there was a mess afterward. So when Dr. Strange brought it up later, the very first reaction from Wong was that it would be a mistake. The She-Hulk series just showed us WHY Wong will have a negative reaction in the near future, because of something messy that Wong, not Dr Strange, has already done.
@@iamhim2285 Oh! And I'm thinking the same thing you're thinking, that sooner or later, we're going to learn something very interesting about the recent past, maybe even during the 5 years when half the world was Snapped away.
Flawed heroes are more relatable. I like that all of Marvels heroes & villains are complex. Both can switch, go from hero to villain & villain to hero.
YES. I've been saying since MoM Wong needs to be held accountable for being such an irresponsible Sorcerer Supreme and to some extent so does Strange. Don't get me wrong, I was a huge Wong fan coming out of Shang-Chi and I loved his cameos. But failing to safeguard The Darkhold, something which Strange even agrees with Mordo shouldn't be roaming free, allowing Wanda to become corrupted because of it? And now he's running away at the first sign of being accused of a crime and even lying about said crime? Now I'm saying Wong's gotta go
Mordo in the Thunderbolts 🤯 I don't think he'd want to be a member of the team but want to participate anytime they go against Strange or Wong = he'd be a great wild card and add great context to the movie!
I see the point, and Mordo killing the ones that break the law, I feel like he is thinking, "If we let them live they *WILL* do things like this again. They must die to save everyone else."
Mordo was right obviously, too many Sorcerers use magic for unnecessary use. But Wong could have easily worked through legitimate channels to gain access to Blonsky for his training. He is the Sorcerer Supreme, he could have easily handled Blonsky had he gone full blown Abomination. Had he gone through the government, asked for permission, explain his reasoning and then accept accountability for any wrong doings or mishaps that occur, it more than likely would've been a non-issue. As Sorcerer Supreme, he is legitimately one of the most powerful persons in the MCU. Instead he just walked into a maximum security prison, carelessly released a potentially world ending threat for the sake of his training. Smh.
We see in the same episode that most people don't even know what authority the Sorcerer Supreme has. Going through the government isn't gonna help when the government itself doesn't acknowledge his authority and there are no laws in place to deal with magic affairs.
I was under the impression that Wong did the fight with Blonsky for money. In Infinity War Wong had implied in NYC to Strange that they were broke and Katy in Shang-Chi showed she was getting paid well after betting against Shang-Chi. This still proves your video’s point lol
Magic is messy. Problems will happen and large threats like Wanda sometimes require resorting to desperate measures to avoid a larger catastrophe. The ancient one broke the rules because she needed to hold the position until Strange was ready. Strange broke the rules on multiple occasions with only one instance we see being kinda petty, and now Wong is doing it because things are getting more and more dangerous and he feels like he needs to get better against different threats. The Sorcerer Supreme is basically a license to bend the rules for a Sorcerer. You get to that level and your #1 job is not to lose to the enemy because what they have planned is usually worse than whatever you have to do. It is by no means a perfect system but the alternative is worse.
in my opinion Earth 838 was so peaceful and nice (until wanda dreamwalked and killled the illuminati) because the illuminati was strict and abidde by the laws and since mordo was the sorcerer supreme he kept the magic users in check.
Wanda just went crazy looking for her children.. and wanted them with her as a family again. She was also corrupted by the Darkhold. in the comics,, those children were created by Mephisto hahah I am not sure if the MCU will go by that.
I agree with this statement First I noticed Wong was just being reckless but now I’m noticing after reading all of these comments that Wong has showed up quite a bit I have a theory that Wong isn’t not just any skrull *_He’s secretly Kang the Conqueror_* After all they confirmed Kang would be involved at some point (not counting The One Who Remains) and this would be a perfect introduction for Kang
@@hiveemperor54 eh, idk about Kang. Wing’s actions up until this point have been pretty goofy and un calculated. Contrary to Kangs mastermind persona. I feel like if it were revealed Wong was really Kang, a lot of people would be confused.
Firstly: murdering sorcerers is still murder. Secondly: the US government is hardly above corruption. I've seen no reason to think they should be allowed to lock up the Sorcerer Supreme.
But the government is the law, so if they make a rule saying they can shoot missiles from their drone at something they do it. The government is also, at least mostly accountable, if the executive branch steps too far away from the law, the legal/judicial should (and often does) step in (like with Iran-Contra). Individual citizens, magical beings, or space aliens are not the government (unless Skrolls are running the government) and should also be held accountable, no matter their intentions.
@@jeffreycarman2185 the government isn't the law, the government enforces the law that already exists and they have done many things while lying and claiming "for the greater good" as their excuse. The government isn't the all mighty power nor does it hold superiority over the people it's supposed to serve. The people are supposed to be the highest authority over the government, that's why we must hold them accountable both in our reality here and in the MCU reality. Project X was a secret program to create superhuman slaves and we now know that wolverine exists in the MCU. the fact it said man fights with metal claws in bar means they already did some shady stuff and haven't been held accountable for that. Sounds like the government is being hypocrites.
Yes the responsibility of the Supreme is important. Mordo's strict nature does make him right in his assessment. I recently started cosplaying Mordo for fun and glad this breakdown was made. He was right all along...
I have a question, Strange's use of Dream Walking supposedly put his reality in the path of incursions. But, since the Scarlet Witch had already done the same thing, hadn't that door already been opened? In other words, Strange did not put the world in danger, the villain had already done that.
@@ColeBeeRyan Wanda made mistakes and became the Scarlet Witch, was she really a villain then? I mean how many people do you have to mistakenly kill before you are a villain? lol
@@pawwof3051 mistakes are one thing. Like coloring outside the lines. An oops. Destructive decisions are something entirely different. Especially with selfish intentions.
Wong is lying. In Shang Chi Wong says to Blonski to pull his punches “like we talked about.” That’s not training with a powerful foe. Something else is going on we will probably find out about later. Also Wong’s demeanor also doesn’t seem genuine during his explanation
Mordos plan to lure Wanda by capturing Strange and Merica in MoM was great idea. If Reed didn’t spoil it it would have worked. Also, Mordo became Sorcerer Supreme in the timeline with both X-men and Fantastic 4 coexisting at the same time. Ironically Mordo is to Strange as Reed is to Doom.
People downed mordo, downed tony stark, downed cyclops in the comics and they were right every single time. There is 0 accountability. Super “heroes” just be doing any and everything.
OK so which line from Wong was the error? Was it his line in Sean Chi when he said “that’s not how we practiced.” Or was it his line and she hulk when he said “I required a worthy opponent to complete my training as sorcerer supreme.” His line in she hulk could simply be that he’s trying to cover his tracks and justify abominations escape. But if they had practice the fighting before it really wasn’t justified escape abomination was not fighting for his freedom but putting on a show.
Secret Avenger theory already confirmed this. Kang has already dbeut, and Secret Avenger will either play the hero, villain or anti-hero role for or against the MCU. SA already been sub-messaged, referenced and easter egg many times in the MCU films and shows.
Mark my words on this-- Wong is a Skrull. There's a reason he has shown up in virtually every show and movie in phase 4. He is keeping an eye on the various superheroes and he's stirring the pot to push the envelope.
Earth right now needs every heroes and every tamed villains because something more more dangerous is coming to earth. They will need the villains help. Like Wong says, "you wanted more" when Wong summoned all the heroes that we see to fight the Thanos battle. If the villains were tamed they would also be in the battle.
Abomination was a worthy opponent for him to become sorcerer supreme? Dr Strange had to defeat Dormammu and Kaecilius. Also wong defeated Abomination easily. That wasn't a worthy fight
The whole Wong breaking Abomination out of prison just to fight him in some tournament is truly asinine. First, in tournaments of any kind, you don't get to pick your opponent. Second, why do they have to enter a tournament to spar anyway? They could have just gone to an empty field somewhere. Third, Wong doesn’t need to risk getting into trouble with the law to break Abomination out of prison because there are tons of other people/creatures/things out there in the different dimensions who are just as strong as (if not stronger than) Abomination to square off against. It's just plain dumb.
I thought the same as you. It was clumsy and dumb and made little to no sense, the fact that it was an underground fighting ring wasn’t even mentioned- like Jen never questioned why they “needed” to train there of all places?
He mostly likely operating differently as the sorceror supreme, when the ancient one was around he was fine being a follower but after the ancient one revealed that she bend rules he is now expected to bend the rules but to what matter is something he needs to figure out. Dang Wong really fits in this series.
I don’t think we can’t not assume they aren’t hiding something because it takes blonsky a second to say he was forced, and it looks like Wong and him have fought before
I just think its funny all through the inquiry scene both Wong and Abomination never change their story, “I needed a training partner and he didnt want to be brooke outa jail”
"In hindsight" it was messed up to leave a man unable to do anything but pummel his own face? I feel like that was messed up as soon as it happened. I do love that Bruce has kind of become intertwined with the MCU and Spider-man to a degree through his work with Sam Raimi. He narrates the Spider-man game, appears in the original movies and now he's in the MCU. I wish we saw what our version of the pizza ball guy was up to. He even presented the making of Doctor Strange: MOM.
What other villains were right?
After phase 4, Gary Oldman comes to mind: "EVERYONE!"
Good villains take reasonable suggestions and push them to unreasonable extremes.
Mordo was right to be concerned with the abuses of power that could result from reality-bending sorcery, but let's not forget that he was overzealous and overly cruel when he took away a man's ability to walk. Pangborn literally said that he found his miracle and settled for it: he was the very picture of restraint, and the antithesis of an abuse of power. He got just enough power to do what he felt was necessary, then stopped and returned to a normal life.
Mordo saw fit to rob him of that. He wasn't justified in doing so.
Good point. Mordo is ideologically right, but being right about a thing does not automatically mean that you make the right choices or behaviors based on those correct beliefs. In other words, He may be correct, but he has poor judgment with respect to executing those beliefs. And yes, that makes him a good villain. Much like Killmonger.
But he wasn't. The ability to walk was a gift.
@@Rubrick23. yeah but that man didn't use it for becoming sorcerer he just wanted to live normal life
This is a brilliant summary! I’ve got a feeling we’ll be seeing Mordo again sometime soon…
@@uveshpanja6293 he was granted a chance so he could help others but he decided to use it for his own usage instead of a greater good. Not saying he doesn't deserve to live his life, but he could have done more with the power that he received. That's why Mordo taking it back can be justified in the "grand scheme" or things.
I never doubted Mordo, he was right from the beginning. Power corrupts.
Yes especially president-
@@Toohard315 Mexico *cough*
Yea I’ll take strange with it and Wong over him any damn day. He jus mad he don’t have it that’s all.
Okay Zemo 😂😂
Tell that to every idiot in a red MAGA hat.
I think it’s more likely that Wong was lying and HE was the one training Blonsky… Perhaps he was helping with his rehabilitation, for some reason more important that we’ll find out later. The interplay between them is hilarious, especially when he mentioned Kamar-Taj is lovely this time of year, which Blonsky seemed to agree with - indicating he may have been there and the cage fight wasn’t the only time he’d broken out of prison with Wong.
I think your explanation is the most likely I’ve heard and thank you because that answers a lot of questions I had about why this could’ve happened
Makes so much sense
I figured he did it just to fight for money, you know, to pay the bills.
that's a very interesting theory. but then again this is MCU, writers are not that witty.
@@MaxLadik nah, but might as well collect some money while training.
If Strange actually sat down with Spider Man and made sure Peter knew what he wanted and understood the ramifications, they could have avoided messing up the spell.
more concerning is the fact Strange could cast such an world altering spell with basically zero preparation or failsafes
@@aurumvale9908 Just bad writing in his character. If Peter taunted him to do the spell or Christine is at risk, that would be understandable since it is part of his character.
We would not have gotten a good ass movie then :(
What makes it even worse is that Strange faced little to no consequences for what happened in No Way Home it was Peter who had to suffer from it all while Strange didn't.
@@Hiihtopipa I was just bout to say the same😂
When Steven uses the self punching spell on the pizza ball guy, it was actually rather cruel. The guy was mostly just rude and the punishment didn't fit the crime.
Right?? He was just a guy trying to make an honest living and stop some rude kid from stealing his food, definitely unjustified punishment.
It was more to do a reference to the evil death saga
@@HEVELproyectofficial the reference is still there lmao, it dosent mean strange wasn’t being a dick by doing that the guy could’ve died from a confusion
Concussions
@@aquavertihama7367 the reference was the he couldnt control his hand just like in Evil Death when his hand was possed by a demon, it was just that a reference and a joke for the fans of evil death saga.
I agree! Mordo is [largely] right! And Wong's recent self-serving actions and lack of accountability-especially for someone who was introduced as such a literally 'by-the-book' sorcerer-seem really out of character. Is there more to this, than MCU is letting on?
We can't exist without being self-serving its human nature
@@dillongooding8664 If you need me to spell it out: he prioritized his own desires to train himself, over the justice system and others’ safety. He was being recklessly selfish.
@@UpNorthica Wong would be training him somewhere far away from any lifeform
@@UpNorthica You do realise Wong said that as a front to get the spotlight off abomination. Start thinking you sheep
I think Wong relaxed a lot putting up with strange and finding out how the former sorcerer Supreme was breaking the rules to.
I feel like Mordo is right in sorcerers need to be checked til the bill comes due but he's wrong that they need to be killed by not paying the bill that was due. As for Wong I imagine eventually there's probably gonna be a punishment for him like maybe the Sorcerer Supreme title is taken away from him or he is punished by doing something else like chores in Kamra Taugh
Yep
By who?
I think Wong is super skrull 🤣
Doesn’t matter, story line will get replaced by a surprise cameo
Correct. The bill comes due always.
I actually think Wong is lying about his part in the Abomination breakout, He mentioned Kuma-te in the hearing but never mentioned anything about it to Jen. Also, that line about "pull your punches" in Shang-Chi makes me wonder as well. I know Marvel is notorious for changing plans but something doesn't hold up here. I think there is a lot we don't know still and both Blonski and Wong are covering up something.
The date in his online biography does not match with his story no ?
That means it is possible for she-hulk to find that.
Yup, Wong is lying about needing to train against a powerful opponent.
He is the way he delivered it made it seem like they rehearsed it all maybe they are both working for somebody.
Adding to that, this is just the 3rd episode of She-Hulk and I have a feeling we’ll get a glimpse of Blonski’s plans in the later episodes
Clearly Wong is only tell the story that suits him, this is part of the problem. Just like tyrants and malevolent dictators can be beloved leaders by some, so-called super heroes are often villains when looked at from another perspective.
Yes, in the MCU, Mordo was right, however in the Marvel Comics Universe, Doctor Strange had more control over right and wrong and the live between. he turned many heroes away, not wanting to intervene in their affairs, only to later get sucked in and fix everything.
Exactlyy
Nobody cares, She Hulk is garbage
@@thenegotiator8414 how?
MCU Dr Strange does feel like a completely different character to the Dr Strange I know from the comics. Comics Strange always had a feeling of seriousness and gravitas to him and a sense of duty to his role as a protector from incursions from the supernatural realms. MCU Dr Strange feel like a bit like an entitled douche. The Dr Strange movies have been a bit of a disappointment for me. The first Dr Strange kind of started my disillusion with the MCU.
@@thenegotiator8414 just like you and your room
Wong’s attitude is exactly the reason that civilian governments wrote the Sokovia Accords. Mordo sees this same problem, as the world’s government, that most of the Avengers could individually take on a whole nation’s military.
The Sokovia Accords weren't about accountability, though; they were about control.
Hmmm.. And Mordo couldn't do shit about it when the Avengers get involve
the Sokovia Accords were also terrible let's not forget that they would actually be illegal in the US meaning if the creators knew US law then they would know that the Sokovia Accords would never work
plus the one who gave that speech to pass them was the King of Wakonda so that just leaves a bunch of problems with hypocrisy
the Sokovia Accords were written by the same people that decided that nuking New York was the best course of action. and let's face it, it's literally laws on people's bodies.
add to this the red flag of the face for the Accords being Ross of all people? every time he gets involved things get much worse. and that's before he gets reckless. don't forget how abomination came to be in the first place.
then you have who falls under the Accords. at first it seems like just enhanced but really it became anyone with skill sets they could use later.
the Accords eventually became the problem.
One other thing, Wong and Blonsky must have had things planned.. remember when Wong was teleporting he and Abomo after the fight, he mentioned that the punch wasn't how they 'trained.'They had this shit planned and it probably wasn't the only time he had broken Blonsky out of jail.... also, if he was smart he would have just left an illusion to show Blonsky being in his cell.
it's kinda ridiculous how much Wong's attitude changed after he was the Supreme... it just seems so out of character considering he and Mordo were the rule police bitches before. hmmmm
Yeah that’s why the case didn’t make sense to me. It sounded like Wong and abomination do this thing quite often but in the show they made it sound like it was a one time thing
Strange lost the sorcerer supreme title because he was irresponsible and careless, once wong got the job he realized it was too stressful so he is behaving like dr strange because he wants out but doesnt want to say it out loud.
Thats not an actual opinion, i have no answer for wongs sudden desire to copy dr stranges personality.
Wong will be revealed as a skrull in secret invasion.
@@HOAXTelevision bruh if you dont pay attention to the movies don't try and comment saying what definitely happened lmao. Strange literally lost the title because he was blipped for 5 years. Wong is written this way because Jessica gao is trash and doesn't know what to actually do
It's entirely possible Wong did leave an illusionary spell, considering the only reason they were found out was because of viral online video footage. If there was surveillance evidence of Blonsky missing, he would have been found out WELL before the online video was released.
I think the whole thing is bigger than what Wong and Blonsky are telling us though. It's even possible that the prison was aware of their arrangement and the only reason Wong and Blonsky are in hot water now is because the public knows and the prison needs to cover its own ass.
Actually, it doesnt really make sense that Strange and Wong are behaving so recklessly. Even Wanda is aware of the consequences of her actions, when she went after America Chavez in MoM.
Or at least the movies dont provide enough details and story, to explain why they are willing to be so reckless. Pretty weird for MCU, as the team had been willing to spend time and effort to provide the details of why each villain behaved (Obadiah, Loki, Red Skull, Ultron, Darren Cross, Zemo, Thanos, Ava Starr, Wanda, etc)
The scene in no way home when dr strange was performing a very important and risky spell for Peter while changing the spell as he did it made no sense, like just have Peter write exactly what he wants, he’ll at least have a conversation about the details before you start 💀, i suspect drug use lol
Pretty sure their recklessness is the directors fault. That's will happen if you give directors full freedom to movies
@@wesbesttreacts4515 Honestly, it seemed like Strange was just doing the spell to get Peter to leave him alone. Neither of them put much thought into it.
Cool story sis, WB and Dceu went down in flames trying to compete with MCU @@rayquan-c1n
Mordo is right in that there will always be people who abuse power but that can be said for any group. The obvious solution is limiting the number of people using that power but Mordo was also apparently obsessed with destroying anyone good or bad to reduce the numbers of magic users rather than dealing with the worst offenders, like Agatha, which is where he invalidates himself.
well, the only thing I can say to defend Strange about Wanda and Peter
Is that for Wanda, he trusted her as an Avenger that she would put things right in the end and she did, he just wasn't aware of her using the Darkhold or, that is what I understood during DS:MoM
For Peter, he wanted to help Peter out again as a fellow Avenger, however, he also thought Peter had already tried talking to the board of the universities and that still failed so this was a last ditch attempt, but Peter didn't know he could plead his case to the universities and Strange got right mad with Peter when he found out that Peter hadn't even tried talking to the board of the universities or other avenues to get into an ivy league with his friends. Tony cared a lot for Peter and I'm sure Pepper felt the same way. Peter could have done a lot more before going to Strange.
The issue with Wanda is that we didn’t see to big an interaction between Strange and her. Even if she was an Avenger, after his time with the Ancient One, he should’ve been more wary of things. Marvel dropped the ball on having people outside be aware of Westview, because it makes you wonder why Strange, Wong, or even the others Avengers didn’t investigate.
As for Peter, I fell like it was a big jump. Ok if he pleaded his case and it didn’t work, he ha team of heroes who could’ve plead his case on how terrible after all the kid did to save the world that he and his friends are being banned from uní
SHE DID PUT THING RIGHT lol??? Tell me one thing that She did compensate what She did? oh Yes
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, that's bc Marvel wanted people to have her as villain that "redeemed" herself for the shit She did herself in westview... but as shown in the final of the series, She went straight up after the thing that ducked so many lives
@@BluemoonLacrymosa The Avengers has already been disbanded after Endgame. Why do you think some of the heroes act individually in their journey nowadays?
strange gouldve also just explained what he was about to do without starting it right than and there while Peter was still explaining what was going on
lol just because Wanda ended her enslavement of West View doesn't mean she's in the right
Either Jimmy Woo and Scott Lang should be the new Sorcerer Supreme, they are the only magicians who have shown restraint and care with their mystical powers.
Jimmy Woo for sure!
Fun Fact: The magic based policeman does exist in MCU and Comics. It's the Living Tribunal He is a cosmic entity who keeps balance bit if your read comics he shows up in its mainly He keeps Balance to magic itself. He doesn't care if humans are destroyed He only cares if multiverse itself is harmed or impacted.
Did you forget Wong saying, "Pull your punches like we practiced." to Blonski. You're right about wizards be wizarding but Wong is still lying and covering for something. Wong had to win that fight for some reason. Could be pizza money or a secret mission.
I agree for that very reason... Blonsky is lying as well. His answers to Jen was too rehearsed. He wasn't indignant about being "forced" to leave, he had that answer ready to go. They're both covering up something bigger.
@@CaptainJack2048 thunderbolts? That or somthing else
I meann extra moneu soo…..
as if Wong is preparing Blonski for something and also preparing himself and also lying and covering everything with an excuse.
@@jaredlewis3001 Yeah, Thunderbolts is in there somewhere. Not sure what Wong's connection is, but I wouldn't be surprised if Allegra de Fontaine is playing him to get Blonsky or some such.
We haven’t seen the scene where Jen says the line about “book of American Laws” or something like that. I think charges will be filed against Wong for breaking Blonksy out of prison and he hire Jen to represent him.
Looked like a scene that should’ve been in the last episode in Jens office so I’m guessing it was cut.
It's not the same scene
Ep 3. It’s next episode
@@kevind3974 episode 3 already happened….
@@Yoda_Saint_Cloud sorry ment next episode. It’s wang sentric. Apparently its about copyright wich is ironic now that i think about it
I still think Valentina (the lady from Falcon and the Winter Soldier and from Black Widow) is still somewhat involved in Abomination eventually joining the Thunderbolts.
that is more than likely
When Ned became a wizard, it felt like Legend of Korra when a bunch of people randomly became Airbenders. It felt a bit more organic in that show. Ned was supposed to be "the guy in the chair" man
MAN! I LOVED this video! You brought up some VERY interesting ideological points about heroes and the paths they take for "the greater good". I loved how you were able to show that Mordo may actually BE the good guy in this - because you're right, all these mystics have been using their abilities mostly for their own agendas and not necessarily for the betterment of mankind. MARVELOUS video Ryan!!
Honestly, they had such a departure from the original Doctor Strange movie. Up until Endgame, Wong and Strange were great characters, now, they are more of a caricature of what they used to be.
Wong is so suspicious. He's having so many appearances as if he's watching over everyone. I won't be surprised if it turns out that he's a skrull.
I came to the comments to say the same thing
yup and that’s how stephen will become sorcerer supreme before he dies
Wait can Skrulls copy abilities too? I mean this is years of studying and training
@@IAmMightyMike from some of the videos I’ve watched, super skrulls can copy abilities in the comics.
@@IAmMightyMike it’s not hard to believe a skrull has been training as a sorcerer since the events of captain marvel then seized the opportunity to imitate Wong once he became sorcerer supreme.
I know we're talking fiction, however....Mordo makes a damn good point in reality. There's ALWAYS a consequence for whatever you do. Great video.
I think this conversation goes back to Zemo as well. Because they have power it easily lends them to supremacist thinking.
There aren't many who can hold a super powered person accountable except another super powered person (which is why, i assume, the Hulk is adamant that She-hulk MUST become a superhero). However, both Zemo and Mordo are at extremes (and like you said Mordo is abusing his power also by murderizing folks unsanctioned).
This is starting to give me really bad vibes that Civil War Part 2 is on the horizon and the bill comes due.
Wow, that's a pretty interesting way of looking at things.
Your opinion isn't especially popular among Marvel fans, but I think you're right. The idea that superheroes can just barge around doing whatever they want, wherever they want, because "it's the right thing to do" is supremacist thinking.
The fact that this debate is happening in the MCU at all is a big part of why I like this series so damned much. In both comics and movies, it's so common for superheroes to have these fights that would do millions of dollars in damage and almost certainly at least seriously injure a few people, possibly kill them, and it's NEVER addressed. That always really turned me off to the superhero genre. That sense of accountability makes the MCU so much different than anything that's come before, and I'm here for it.
i like this take.. maybe it’ll lead to Captain America New World Order
@@TDhexada if you throw mutants into the mix. Things get even more tense...well if they decide to take the stories in a more serious direction.
@@agizowat2545 oh i don’t doubt it. With Jen basically giving the DODC the idea for the inhibitors… i believe they’re gonna be the new “mutant rehabilitation center” type thing
In Multiverse of Madness Dr. Strange told America how Mordo vowed to destroy him, which says to me that he and Mordo have crossed paths again since the end of Dr. Strange's first movie
Really interesting topic, thanks. I'm in Mordo team since the beginning. He's quite extreme, i agree but as you said, no-one else questions the moral code of "heroes".
Im still stuck on the power dampening braclet thing.
So, remember In episode 1, Banner has a device that stops him from transforming into hulk.
Then imediatly says its impossible to build one for his cousin?
Well, in episode 3, shehulk manager to get the Abomination on parole. But a condition of his parole is to wear a ankle bracelet that stops his from transforming.....
Sigh, wish they'd make up their mind if that tech is impossible or not
Abomination isn't a Hulk because he took serum, maybe he and hulks work differently
I think it's more that Jennifer and Blonsky weren't transformed the same way Bruce was. Abomination's strength came from what seemed to be a prototype Super Soldier serum and an infusion of Bruce's blood. Jennifer was just from Bruce's blood and being a family member with similar genetic traits. Bruce would likely need to dedicate a lot of time to building a customized device for each of them after a lot of trial and error given how different they are.
We also don't know how the bracelet would stop him from transforming. Would it just heavily sedate him, actually neutralize his transformation as it starts, or simply be a transmitter and tracker that tells a specialized containment team that Blonsky has broken the terms of his parole and that they should bring in the heavy containment weaponry to get him back in jail?
@@shinzero0271 sadly thats worse for the plot.
Because now the parole board is assuming there is a technology that doesn't exist and requiring that abomination wear it. We know it doesn't already exist otherwise he would already be wearing one to stop him from transforming. We already saw he can transform inside the cage he is in, and she-hulk points out that he could have broken the cage anytime he wanted
Technically the memory erasing thing can be justified, just that they did it wrongly.
Like what HISHE has pointed out, they should've just erased everyone's memories of Mysterio instead.
And people would still know who spider man is
@@heythere7905 But who's the one who told them who Spiderman is?
But when dr strange erased everyone memories of peter parker they still know who spiderman is
@@heythere7905 Read closely what you have said.
People lost memories who "Peter Parker" is, of course they would remember the person called "Spiderman", cause the name "Spiderman" is not "Peter Parker".
Yup
Wong has become an inconsistent character. He started off more as the voice of restraint, and was needed to balance Strange's recklessness. But now Wong flips between restraint, and doing whatever the fuck he wants. I like the character, but they really need to settle on what he is supposed to be.
Whilst true, I think the point is Wong has spent so much time with strange by this point that he’s loosened up a bit. He’s allowing himself to be a bit more reckless but is more constrained when it’s really required
@@shisah5544 yea
Wongs a skrull
@@therockingvolbeat3630 ,,,,,YEP!
I feel like being Sorcerer Supreme maked you taking bad decisions most of the time xD
I hope that the reason we didn't see 616 Mordo is because they're going to bring him back to reinforce his memorable quote. Clea already stated that Strange created an incursion & recruited him to fix it.
There are some clear parallels between the Sorcerers in the MCU and the Jedi of the Prequel era; arrogance and hubris blinding their own judgement and threatening the galaxy and themselves in the process.
90's Charmed Phoebe Halliwell said it best! "Once you break the small rules it's just a matter of time before the big ones come next."
I feel like wang is definitely a scroll, I think the last time we saw the real wang was spiderman no way home, wangs comment in she hulk about training to become the sorcer supreme which he already is, and if wang was a scroll it could explain how they inevitably make dr strange the sorcerer supreme again.
I enjoyed this take. I don't think Steven S. actions are entirely comparable to Wong's though. Wong's actions (although a small abuse) of his power in no way would lead to Stange level consequences. He actually told Strange not to cast spell. Abomination cage fight was never really a treat, since he could be teleported back into cell, by multiple magic users no where near Wong's power levels. Small abuses of power do tend to led to greater abuses though, in that regard Mordo was right.
Well you'd have to take a different approach when thinking of Wong: no, he isn't doing things that could fracture the multiverse, but he's now in a more legal and political place with his magic since he decided to break out a highly dangerous military super villain, which made mass media. I can already see them spinning this into something about the lack of respect for authority from these magic users. While not on as significant of a scale, it's still quite a large hindrance; a more of a constant struggle to actively deal with. And you can't just go erasing memories again, so you'd have to actually live with whatever happens.
Nobody cares she hulk is garbage
@@KxngKUDA True, definitely in more political environment, but that had already begun with accords. Political issues won't matter much though when Worlds/Galaxies start collapsing in on each other. I think Wong sees in Blonsky what Fury saw in Banner. Right or wrong, that Blonsky may be helpful in the times ahead.
Your missing the point. The point is that the super hero community is UNRULY. They show little to no respect for rules and regulations. There is NO OVERSIGHT. Its a bad message to show for heroes and audiences that you can do whatever the hell you want. It will be too late for you to care when the consequences come back to bite
@@Dogofwar9 I agree with Stark and Strange, in fact, in real world Stark should of been brought up on War Crimes (due to Ultron). Fury was technically breaking law by aiding and allowing Banner to stay hidden (long before he was Avenger). The governments/Shield themselves had been infiltrated by Hydra. Wong, (although technically wrong) assuming that higher-ups in military don't already know and agree with Wong's actions. If he's not willing to do memory related spells-it's hard to believe that someone in this state of art prison, wouldn't notice someone the size of Hulk vanishing and reappearing. The reason he wouldn't answer question could be that it was classified.
I think Phase 4 proved Tony was right (once again) in civil war
Two ideologies:
Captain: we remain free and will deal with the things as they unfold
Tony : we wil make sacrifices to make sure things go right .
After Phase 4 I think that debate is settled.
Maybe there has to be a balance between Iron and Capt.. Captain America was more about them dealing with things on their own and Iron Man was about having the government interfere and having him and other smart intelligent people create solutions for alien invasions and other threats. Captain America while also working for the government saw that those threats were best dealt by them. Captain America was considered wrong all along the first Civil War in the comics.
@@berniebernal yeah you are right but in civil war Captain asked what if government got corrupted and have personal agenda and Tony replied That's why I am here .So he would not let that happen easily.
As Nat said all matters is them staying together which Infinity war proved .
Tony was rihht in the movies and in the comics regarding civil war.
LOVED that Justice League clip you included. Cadmus arc was the best on that show!
That episode proved that not only is there too many sorcerers but it also proves that Zemo is right and that we should hold heroes accountable for their actions and arrest those that break the law. This is why the MCU needs the Thunderbolts. A government sanctioned team that can control the actions of heroes so that another Ultron can't rise again. Tony said it best in Civil War that the heroes are becoming the villains.
Dang true
Screw that the heroes are better than the governments. CIVIL WAR 2.
You do know that Marvel recently announced a MCU Thunderbolts movie that will feature a roster of returning MCU Villains?
@@vin13ish Yes I do. This episode is exactly why I am looking forward to seeing them.
yeah but the Sokovia Accords are not the answer
Its like when Wanda said "When you do it you're a hero, when I do it's a problem". There's always an excuse when thye do it but when everyone else does it, they become the villain/anti-hero.
I still think we'll find out there is a lot more to this story and that Wong had an agreement with the US Government to do it.
Yea, hes been training for the thunderbolts
Just to be clear, the events of She-Hulk occur shortly after Shang Chi around the same time as Spider-Man Far from Home. The events of Spider-Man No Way Home occurs several months later, around the beginning of November 2024, just after Halloween. The memory spell that Wong speaks of is one that he must have done himself that had bad consequences, and gave him reason to discourage Stephen Strange from it months later.
Thats what the director of she hulk said, she hulk takes place shortly after shang chi.
Wow great so wong said that from experience
I feel he had done something terrible and made everyone forget.
Idk but they are def mentioning these memory spells for a reason. I think, for 1, him acknowledging the spell is messy is a way to tell us marvel knows the details of the spell in no way home are questionable. This show talks to the audience a lot like hulk saying he was a different person when he fought blonsky. And 2, I think we will find out this memory spell was performed on a larger scale at some point. The world was made to forget something (like maybe mutants).
@@iamhim2285 In She-Hulk, Wong indicated that he had recently used a memory spell and there was a mess afterward. So when Dr. Strange brought it up later, the very first reaction from Wong was that it would be a mistake. The She-Hulk series just showed us WHY Wong will have a negative reaction in the near future, because of something messy that Wong, not Dr Strange, has already done.
@@iamhim2285 Oh! And I'm thinking the same thing you're thinking, that sooner or later, we're going to learn something very interesting about the recent past, maybe even during the 5 years when half the world was Snapped away.
I have a feeling Wong wasn’t telling the whole truth when he testified, and the seven “wives” are a ruse
Flawed heroes are more relatable. I like that all of Marvels heroes & villains are complex. Both can switch, go from hero to villain & villain to hero.
Same i like the switch between good and bad in heroes or villains.
YES. I've been saying since MoM Wong needs to be held accountable for being such an irresponsible Sorcerer Supreme and to some extent so does Strange. Don't get me wrong, I was a huge Wong fan coming out of Shang-Chi and I loved his cameos. But failing to safeguard The Darkhold, something which Strange even agrees with Mordo shouldn't be roaming free, allowing Wanda to become corrupted because of it? And now he's running away at the first sign of being accused of a crime and even lying about said crime? Now I'm saying Wong's gotta go
At least handcock went to jail
Mordo in the Thunderbolts 🤯 I don't think he'd want to be a member of the team but want to participate anytime they go against Strange or Wong = he'd be a great wild card and add great context to the movie!
I see the point, and Mordo killing the ones that break the law, I feel like he is thinking, "If we let them live they *WILL* do things like this again. They must die to save everyone else."
Also, Scarlet Witch calling Strange a hypocrite had nice echoes back to Kaecilius doing the same to the Ancient One
I truly like your breakdowns and looking at stuff from a different angle we need more of these!!!
I agree we need more.
The Stallone clip had me rollin😂
“Yuhbehtraythlaw!!”
“Muahuuah”
Mordo was right obviously, too many Sorcerers use magic for unnecessary use. But Wong could have easily worked through legitimate channels to gain access to Blonsky for his training. He is the Sorcerer Supreme, he could have easily handled Blonsky had he gone full blown Abomination. Had he gone through the government, asked for permission, explain his reasoning and then accept accountability for any wrong doings or mishaps that occur, it more than likely would've been a non-issue. As Sorcerer Supreme, he is legitimately one of the most powerful persons in the MCU.
Instead he just walked into a maximum security prison, carelessly released a potentially world ending threat for the sake of his training. Smh.
We see in the same episode that most people don't even know what authority the Sorcerer Supreme has. Going through the government isn't gonna help when the government itself doesn't acknowledge his authority and there are no laws in place to deal with magic affairs.
I was under the impression that Wong did the fight with Blonsky for money. In Infinity War Wong had implied in NYC to Strange that they were broke and Katy in Shang-Chi showed she was getting paid well after betting against Shang-Chi.
This still proves your video’s point lol
Magic is messy. Problems will happen and large threats like Wanda sometimes require resorting to desperate measures to avoid a larger catastrophe. The ancient one broke the rules because she needed to hold the position until Strange was ready. Strange broke the rules on multiple occasions with only one instance we see being kinda petty, and now Wong is doing it because things are getting more and more dangerous and he feels like he needs to get better against different threats. The Sorcerer Supreme is basically a license to bend the rules for a Sorcerer. You get to that level and your #1 job is not to lose to the enemy because what they have planned is usually worse than whatever you have to do. It is by no means a perfect system but the alternative is worse.
If magic is messy...what does that make anti-magic?
@@4YrStasis a different kind of messy. Magic is natural and nature is as messy as it is elegant
Mordo in the Thunderbolts would be awesome, good idea!
in my opinion Earth 838 was so peaceful and nice (until wanda dreamwalked and killled the illuminati) because the illuminati was strict and abidde by the laws and since mordo was the sorcerer supreme he kept the magic users in check.
Wanda just went crazy looking for her children.. and wanted them with her as a family again. She was also corrupted by the Darkhold. in the comics,, those children were created by Mephisto hahah I am not sure if the MCU will go by that.
Great, strong point with that jla clip Batman always keeps things in sight ajd together and heroes under control
Wong is a Skrull! I'm providing no evidence, he just is!
I second this
I’ve been saying this. I totally agree.
I agree with this statement
First I noticed Wong was just being reckless but now I’m noticing after reading all of these comments that Wong has showed up quite a bit
I have a theory that Wong isn’t not just any skrull
*_He’s secretly Kang the Conqueror_*
After all they confirmed Kang would be involved at some point (not counting The One Who Remains) and this would be a perfect introduction for Kang
@@hiveemperor54 eh, idk about Kang. Wing’s actions up until this point have been pretty goofy and un calculated. Contrary to Kangs mastermind persona. I feel like if it were revealed Wong was really Kang, a lot of people would be confused.
This where the saying "with great power comes great responsibility" comes into play and Strange and Wong do not live by this
Firstly: murdering sorcerers is still murder.
Secondly: the US government is hardly above corruption. I've seen no reason to think they should be allowed to lock up the Sorcerer Supreme.
But the government is the law, so if they make a rule saying they can shoot missiles from their drone at something they do it. The government is also, at least mostly accountable, if the executive branch steps too far away from the law, the legal/judicial should (and often does) step in (like with Iran-Contra). Individual citizens, magical beings, or space aliens are not the government (unless Skrolls are running the government) and should also be held accountable, no matter their intentions.
@@jeffreycarman2185 the government isn't the law, the government enforces the law that already exists and they have done many things while lying and claiming "for the greater good" as their excuse. The government isn't the all mighty power nor does it hold superiority over the people it's supposed to serve. The people are supposed to be the highest authority over the government, that's why we must hold them accountable both in our reality here and in the MCU reality. Project X was a secret program to create superhuman slaves and we now know that wolverine exists in the MCU. the fact it said man fights with metal claws in bar means they already did some shady stuff and haven't been held accountable for that. Sounds like the government is being hypocrites.
I love Mordo. Hope they bring him back in a big way.
Woooo another lore explanation
Yes the responsibility of the Supreme is important. Mordo's strict nature does make him right in his assessment. I recently started cosplaying Mordo for fun and glad this breakdown was made. He was right all along...
I have a question, Strange's use of Dream Walking supposedly put his reality in the path of incursions. But, since the Scarlet Witch had already done the same thing, hadn't that door already been opened? In other words, Strange did not put the world in danger, the villain had already done that.
The way Wong dipped tho
"I must depart"
😂😂😂😂
Leave Wong alone. We need trustworthy authority figures to maintain our reality. He's doing his best.
Did you watch the video? He made some pretty good points, even though Wong is a fun character, he does make mistakes
@@N04H_Hunter yes I watched the video im commenting on lol. all good characters make mistakes. Doesn't make villains and antagonists "right".
@@ColeBeeRyan Wanda made mistakes and became the Scarlet Witch, was she really a villain then? I mean how many people do you have to mistakenly kill before you are a villain? lol
@@pawwof3051 Wanda may very well be irredeemable at this point. It's gonna take some really creative writing to convince me otherwise.
@@pawwof3051 mistakes are one thing. Like coloring outside the lines. An oops. Destructive decisions are something entirely different. Especially with selfish intentions.
uncle ben :with power comes with great responsibility
Wong is lying. In Shang Chi Wong says to Blonski to pull his punches “like we talked about.” That’s not training with a powerful foe. Something else is going on we will probably find out about later. Also Wong’s demeanor also doesn’t seem genuine during his explanation
Skrull?
@@alexanderhardy3354 Nah, because he uses magic to exit the scene in the show.
Mordos plan to lure Wanda by capturing Strange and Merica in MoM was great idea. If Reed didn’t spoil it it would have worked. Also, Mordo became Sorcerer Supreme in the timeline with both X-men and Fantastic 4 coexisting at the same time. Ironically Mordo is to Strange as Reed is to Doom.
Mordo would’ve been such an amazing villain for dr strange 2 I’m so disappointed they just threw away that story for strange vs Wanda
I'm disappointed what honest trailers did to him
Wong is acting like the elf from asgard they feel as if they have immunity Under Any circumstances.
People downed mordo, downed tony stark, downed cyclops in the comics and they were right every single time. There is 0 accountability. Super “heroes” just be doing any and everything.
that subject of super hero accountability is best covered in the series "The Boys"
Just to clarify, Wong was talking about send the untrained magician to the mirror dimension not blanski or the parole board
OK so which line from Wong was the error?
Was it his line in Sean Chi when he said “that’s not how we practiced.”
Or was it his line and she hulk when he said “I required a worthy opponent to complete my training as sorcerer supreme.”
His line in she hulk could simply be that he’s trying to cover his tracks and justify abominations escape. But if they had practice the fighting before it really wasn’t justified escape abomination was not fighting for his freedom but putting on a show.
Used to stay away from the "someone was right" video, then I watched Ultron, and it was great, so here I am. 😊
What if Wong was a shapeshifting elf. They know magic, and Wong was a just little bit out of character. Great actor like Wong… maybe
Probably Agatha in disguise?
Secret Avenger theory already confirmed this. Kang has already dbeut, and Secret Avenger will either play the hero, villain or anti-hero role for or against the MCU. SA already been sub-messaged, referenced and easter egg many times in the MCU films and shows.
Mark my words on this-- Wong is a Skrull. There's a reason he has shown up in virtually every show and movie in phase 4. He is keeping an eye on the various superheroes and he's stirring the pot to push the envelope.
Earth right now needs every heroes and every tamed villains because something more more dangerous is coming to earth. They will need the villains help. Like Wong says, "you wanted more" when Wong summoned all the heroes that we see to fight the Thanos battle. If the villains were tamed they would also be in the battle.
Abomination was a worthy opponent for him to become sorcerer supreme?
Dr Strange had to defeat Dormammu and Kaecilius. Also wong defeated Abomination easily. That wasn't a worthy fight
Baron Mordo does carry an artifact of the Living Tribunal. That could tie in with your theory that there needs to be a figure to judge their actions.
The whole Wong breaking Abomination out of prison just to fight him in some tournament is truly asinine. First, in tournaments of any kind, you don't get to pick your opponent. Second, why do they have to enter a tournament to spar anyway? They could have just gone to an empty field somewhere. Third, Wong doesn’t need to risk getting into trouble with the law to break Abomination out of prison because there are tons of other people/creatures/things out there in the different dimensions who are just as strong as (if not stronger than) Abomination to square off against. It's just plain dumb.
I thought the same as you. It was clumsy and dumb and made little to no sense, the fact that it was an underground fighting ring wasn’t even mentioned- like Jen never questioned why they “needed” to train there of all places?
He mostly likely operating differently as the sorceror supreme, when the ancient one was around he was fine being a follower but after the ancient one revealed that she bend rules he is now expected to bend the rules but to what matter is something he needs to figure out.
Dang Wong really fits in this series.
Mordo is always right.
This Thunderbolts movie has sooooooo much riding on it and has potential to be the best MCU project by far. I pray they do it justice
I’m surprised you got tricked into believing that’s the real Wong. That is clearly not. Think about it.
How come no one seem to be talking about the fact that Dog is absent?
Where is Dog?
I don’t think we can’t not assume they aren’t hiding something because it takes blonsky a second to say he was forced, and it looks like Wong and him have fought before
"Shadow Dimension"
Wong wants to send Blonsky to the Shadow Realm? Would that require a children's card game to pull off?
1. LOL! 😂
2. For Kazuki 😔
This made me think of the Dragon Age Video game series . This series was touching on some of the topics you are talking about.
Just imagine: somewhere in multiverse Peter goes to Eternity for wipe "he is the Spider-Man" from everyone's mind
What happened to the Sakovia Accords? Where they dropped after the Blip? I thought they were supposed to regulate powered individuals like sorcerers.
This show: "People experience anger differently"
Them: Actually,
I didn't realize it at first but the wong cage fight we see in She-hulk is the same exact one we saw in shang chi.🤯
10:56 Agatha would’ve only had the Darkhold for a few years at most. Prior to her, the Darkhold was used by Morgan le Fay in Runaways Season 3.
"With Great power comes great responsibility"
I just think its funny all through the inquiry scene both Wong and Abomination never change their story, “I needed a training partner and he didnt want to be brooke outa jail”
Thumbs up for Judge Dredd clip. Thumbs waiting to be up for "Mister I am the Law" clip in the future.
"In hindsight" it was messed up to leave a man unable to do anything but pummel his own face? I feel like that was messed up as soon as it happened. I do love that Bruce has kind of become intertwined with the MCU and Spider-man to a degree through his work with Sam Raimi. He narrates the Spider-man game, appears in the original movies and now he's in the MCU. I wish we saw what our version of the pizza ball guy was up to. He even presented the making of Doctor Strange: MOM.
Mordo:i only want people follow the rules
Hero: relax we have plot armor
Wong is making some extra cash from those cage fights🤣🤣🤣