Guys, comparing the first two with the third one is unfair, the wado ryu guy is Hiroji Furazawa, an 8th dan legend and one of the greatest Wado Ryu master of all time. The Shotokan girl is Misako Aragaki, a world champion in JKA for the kata category, she may be one of the greatest person on earth that can do those sequences. The third one is just a random black belt owner.
Darth Desec Accuracy can be seen in the position of the arms and feet, the height of the hands in relation to the head, the arrangement of the shoulders and head and if you look further you can see it according to the position of the legs . When you train by yourself you face your shadow, shadow training, for it to be perfect, your movements should be in synch with your body. together with the speed of the movements, means that she is accurate in her gestures. I'm not surprised she's a x champion.
Right. Two different people within the SAME style and kata can look different in terms of technique, power and speed depending on knowledge and ability.
Broadly speaking, the man on the left seems to be the most skilled & experienced, the kata in the middle is the most spectacular to watch, and the kata on the right looks like the kind of moves I could actually do.
Nick Hentschel Fukazawa, unfortunately he passed away quite a while ago. He was a lovely guy. 8th dan at Wado. Very experienced and was very tough but kind and always willing to help.
To be honest the girl doing Shito Ryu lacks in power, she isn’t bad however I don’t see the spirit in the kata. I suggest to check out kata Videos from Antonina Diaz and you can see how powerful Shito-Ryu can also be! :) this is a good video tho
Wado Ryu looks more controlled and focused on keeping a sense of defense. Shotokan looks more focused on strength, moving power from her legs to her arms. (Hint the stomps she does), and Shito Ryu is more calculated, keep an eye on how her feet move compared to the others. She is a little more light on her feet
it wasn't the stomp of her feet that made the sound but the power of the punch and kick, so his kimono made a sound. By the way I am also a Shotokan karate-do player.
There are many more differences, but let's try to give you arguments and examples. WADO-RYU The one you can see in this video is Hiroji Fukazawa. This video footage seems to be from late 1990's or early 2000's. So he was filmed after having practised for almost 35-40 years. He was a member of the original Wadokai until master Tatsuo Suzuki created the Wado Kokusai Karate-Do Renmei (Wado International Karate-Do Federation) and so he then joined him. He studied directly under Hironori Otsuka (Wado-ryu founder), under Tatsuo Suzuki, and with Hiroo Mochizuki in France. But as he has a bit derived from what was taught in Wado-ryu Renmei (created by Hironori Otsuka's son, Jiro Otsuka, aka Hironori Otsuka 2nd), he can't be considered as its best successor, due to many Mochizuki's Shotokan additions to his practice. Wado-ryu Renmei has been created to follow Otsuka family's path : Wado-ryu is not Karate, they call it "Jujutsu Kempo" (Hironori Otsuka was already the legitimate heir of Shindo Yoshin-ryu Jujutsu before beginning his Karate Practice). SHOTOKAN This is a mid-grade competitor from JKA Shotokan (Misako Aragaki, 3rd Dan) who officially retired from competition in 2007, and who stopped being a JKA HQ instructor at the same date. She was a Kata competition expert. JKA actually teaches only modern Shotokan. This means it has almost nothing in common with Shotokan-ryu from Gichin Funakoshi. It has lost the meanings of every move, of every technique. JKA Shotokan is now a sport, not a martial art anymore. If you wish to know what is traditional Shotokan, you'll have to learn/watch Tsutomu Oshima or its followers. SHITO-RYU This is a unknown low-grade of Shito-ryu. Shito-ryu's founder, Kenwa Mabuni, studied under the greatest Okinawan Karate practitioners from the 2 main Okinawan styles : Kanryo Higaonna (Naha-te) and Anko Itosu (Shuri-te/Shorin-ryu founder). Anko Itosu was one of the masters of Gichin Funakoshi (Shotokan founder). But Jion is a very old Kata from Tomari-te. Both Gichin Funakoshi and Kenwa Mabuni learnt it from Chotoku Kyan, who also studied under Anko Itosu, but more important : under Kosaku Matsumora, the heir of Tomari-te. Other Katas also come from Tomari-te : Jiin, Jitte, Niseishi, Sochin, Unshu, and a specific versions of Wanshu, Rohai, Chinto and Passai. There are already several versions from more recent schools ("styles" ?), but there is only 1 school left who teaches the original version of Jion. Kyudokan Kobayashi Shorin-ryu is the last school to teach Chatan Yara no Jion (Chatan Yara is considered as the very first master of "Okinawa-te"). There, we have a wrong demonstration, with many issues, and called modern competition "Shito-ryu". It has nothing in common with what was taught to Kenwa Mabuni, the Shito-ryu founder, and you will find many differences with what's in Mabuni's book "Karate Kempo : The art of self defense". The differences go deeper than what you've quoted. Wado-ryu uses lots of "Nagashi", the softer parts of the arms, and focuses on piercings, like if you had a spear or a sword. Deflection is Wado-ryu's main goal. Traditional Shotokan-ryu is basically Shorin-ryu, and traditional Shito-ryu Katas are also Shorin-ryu Katas. As Wado-ryu founder trained under Funakoshi, it should be very similar. But as you want to compare this video editings, let's say they look very different due to their practitioner level, and due to the deviant practices. What you can see in this video are : Wado-ryu from WIKF, modern competition Shotokan from JKA, modern competition Shito-ryu. Nothing in common.
Honestly we could say that Japanese karate styles are pretty much as different as Judo and Jiu jitsu. Both share around 90% of all techniques, what really differs is the focus of some aspects, such as power, softess, footwork, speed etc…
Actually, Jion that is done Shito-Ryu girl is not the same with Shito-Ryu Jion done by the founder. The Shito-Ryu Girl is from Shokukai, a style-branch from Shito-Ryu, the actual Shito-Ryu Jion is much more difference in Kihon
The differences between these karate styles are not really highlighted in this video. A difference worth noting is that Wado Ryu has Jujitsu elements that other Karate styles such as Shotokan, Shito Ryu, Goju Ryu and Kyokushin doesn’t. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadō-ryū
Um… once you get beyond 3rd kyu in pretty much any Okinawan style, you start learning the joint locks and throws in kata, and it becomes less and less about kicking and punching stuff.
@@NotEbugaming They do now but very minimal. Traditionally no they don’t. We kick, punch, throw and sweep until the end, our training never really becomes less of any techniques we’re taught. What’s your style my friend, and how long have you been training for?
Just learned this kata in Shito-Ryu. Was explained to me that this kata incorporated slower, flowing movements (1:50 for example) replacing some of the hard, fast blocks so that they're intended more as joint locks instead of deflects or breaks. It's interesting to see the difference in intent within the move differences.
I've only practiced shotokan but from what I remember, it is basically more explosive and you are supposed to stand lower on your position than the two others. It is also more spectacular that's why this style usually wins more in competitive karate. Would love to have a feedback from people who know the other styles though
I've been practicing Wado Ryu for years and of course, our positions are known to be higher than Shotokan's ones. Shito Ryu's are also high, but the biggest difference between Shito Ryu and Wado Ryu is that Wado Ryu brings some jiu jitsu techniques that don't exist in others styles.
@@faynoz8566 yeah, bang on. wado cuts out some of the more elaborate parts of techniques to make them more effective, and then adds some jiu-jitsu stuff. Definitely the most direct out of the three
Who ever says "Shotokan is the best" or "Wado ryu is the best" or "Shito ryu is the best, cause is faster than that style" or "more powerful than that style" doesn't understand karate... or martial arts at all. And/or has been watching too many kung fu movies.
Just a Florida man from 75th RR nupp.. they are not useless at all man.. combat art is different and martial arts is different.. the purpose of both of them are different.. one serves to teach for long combat fighting inside the ring and other serves to teach quick fight moves for real street fight.. and moreover martial arts is for one’s discipline, moral values, life style and combat sports is just to fight recklessly.. better watch the difference out.. and never say a martial art is useless.. humble request from my side.. 🙏🏻
@@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR brace yourselves, here comes the keyboard warrior! He has watched so many ufc fights, his typing is incredible powerful! watch out! he could talk shit about something he doesn't understand!
In the hopes of not encouraging any more keyboard warriors, I would like to clarify something: what I meant is that saying that one martial art is "quicker" than another (for example) is stupid. Your martial art is only going to be as quick as you trained for. And even so, there's only so many major differences between sistems, it really just is about preferences and history... and don't get me wrong, I'm a martial arts nerd and especially a karate nerd, I love studying different styles around many disciplines. That's why I consider that thinking that you can be more "powerful" because your style has lower stances or what ever is childish. No style is going to grant you magical powers, you are only going to be strong if you work hard for it. That's something the old karate masters knew. (Yes, it applies for "MmA iS tHe BeSt" too)
@@pallavthaker2020 Jion is the name of the kata that the three are performing. The uploader forgot to add shorin ryu, so here's one more version of the same kata: th-cam.com/video/E9L9v7pYfEE/w-d-xo.html
@@rtyler1869 True but somehow I do hate Kyokushin kata. It's like they tried Shotokanize Goju Katas. Gekisai looks awful compared to the original Goju-Ryu version. Kyokushin is awesome nevertheless:)
I am a 3rd Dan black belt in Wadō Ryu and the key difference between Wadō and Shōtōkan, which is not well depicted here, is that Wadō is based on body management which refers to body manipulation so as to move the defender as well as the attacker out of harm’s way. This can be achieved by moving along rather than moving against or harmony rather than physical strength. This is the essence of Wadō ryu in comparison to the more static, low stances and long attacks of Shōtōkan.
@@ioannisparaskevopoulos1120 i remember every boxer using their legs for quite spectacular multi-level movements. they dont even need need them for kicking
424dsfdsfdsfs I am not saying boxers can’t fight or not having great physique as a result of training, the same stands for Karatekas as well.But still, don’t compare a boxer to an experienced martial arts practitioner who uses his legs in various angles and heights with brutal force, as they are the stronger muscles of the human body. And don’t forget, a martial artist uses techniques, combinations were arms and legs engage, especially if he’s got well trained legs, he is unbeatable. You should know that the best kickboxers, all come from karate training background.
So far as I can see, and it's more likely a difference between practitioners than styles, the Wado Ryu fellow seems to be putting a greater emphasis on power, the Shotokan girl on speed, and the Shito Ryu girl on form. Given that it's the same kata, I'm not sure how much difference even someone well versed in the differences between the 3 would be able see without the labels.
Wado is pretty much a mix of jujutsu & stylings of karate. Shito uses leg muscles quads & Hams & other big muscles of hips & legs to produce power. The strikes are to block & stun the opposed person by them being done at close range for leverage & to develop chi throughout.
It's intereting, becouse in reality shotokan is the ''stronger'', and wado has a softer style. This kata doesnt shows us the real wado style, becouse this one wasnt made by the first wado master, ocuka sensei. It was adopted from the okinavan styles. The ohyo kumite and the kuhon kumite may show you the real form of wado.
Wado ryu look like Goju ryu and Kyokushin style.. look diference like powerfull but Shito ryu look's to much dance there... i am so sorry (apologise me)
Orang Biasa But the shito ryu kata in the video wasn‘t very good. If you go the WKF channel, you will see, that it‘s fast and powerfull. Not like in this video. (An very good karateka is Ilja Smorguner. He also practise shito ryu. Look at his videos)
They're all great, but if you are looking for self-defense, then you should go with Wado-Ryu because the blending of Karate and traditional Jujitsu (which offers great grappling skills to accompany your karate skills) think good offense, but better defense!
While I’m not sure about most Tang soo do schools in the west, but it isn’t simply a copy of shotokan as many people claim. Tang soo do has heavy influences from the martial arts styles of the northeast asian continent/Manchuria.
The difference between Wado Ryu, Shotokan, and Shito Ryu...is that Shotokan practitioners have access to better camera crews. But seriously though, Wado Ryu was developed as a hybrid of both karate and Jujutsu, and so many of the blocks and parries performed in the kata are done with the understanding that they could potentially transition into joint locks. 2:17 to 2:19 looks particularly grabby, at least to me. Shotokan emphasizes speed, stability and power, having been brought over to Japan during a very volatile period of time (the lead up to WWII), when people felt they needed something empowering. While presenting this "powerful" look, Shotokan emphasized the teaching of things like compassion, respect, how to be humble, etc., to try and counteract all that negative energy. Shito Ryu is pretty much a blend of these various aspects, being a blend of different styles of karate.
Shotokan dá mais ênfase à potência dos golpes e à força nas defesas em conjunto com agidade. Por isso os golpes em Shotokan são muito estáticos e mecánicos.
El Wado es un estilo focalizado en movimiento rápidos y precisos como ex practicante te puedo decir el wado es más orientado a velocidad y punto de contacto se economiza el movimiento es más velocidad en cambio el Shotokan es estilo de Karate de puño fuerte
So not much difference then?Jokes aside,honestly i couldn't care less if there are slight differences in katas between styles. More importantly to me is the differences in techniques,tactics,training methods and practical applications for self defence.
I'm a Wado Ryu Shodan and the perspective that this system is coming from is that of Tai sabaki and classical Jiu-Jitsu. This is why the stances are a bit taller and movement is from the balls of the feet
@@Gieszkanne yes, my best friend and my belated mentor were shorinryu black belts. In that system, proper movement is emphasized before strength and it's kata are very extensive with only shito-ryu having more.
Also remember that Shotokan was developed for the Japanese school systems and was taught en masse. Many of the stances and footwork were exaggerated so they were easier to see from the back of the class.
@@NotEbugaming you are correct. Shotokan karate was to be taught en masse. Other systems such as Wado-Ryu, Goju-Ryu, Shorin-Ryu were taught in smaller groups and often in an outdoor setting. Many Okinawan dojo are outdoors, the Kyu has to endure the elements also. This contrasts with the indoor honbu of japanese dojos. One of my mentors was a Matsubayashi Shorin-Ryu Sandan and his system emphasized proper motion. This harkens a back to mainland China and Shaolin principles.
The difference I see is “Wado Ryu” style has power constantly. You can hear him breathing deeply. He’s getting tired. “Shito Ryu” seems faster, and different stances from Deep to mid stances. The “Shoto Kan” does Fast n slow. More dynamic. You can hear her power when she stomps down to give her more power. But doesn’t easily tired. Her style has the least kiai’s.
This is more down to how the individuals are performing the kata. Wado tends to value attack and defense equally, maintaining a balance and also making moves less fancy by cutting out all unnecessary parts to allow easier application in real scenarios. Shotokan attempts to be a lot more offensive and focuses on evasion when fighting as opposed to attacking same time in wado (attacking at the same time as defending) , their katas tend to look a lot fancier and are the nicest to watch: they win competitions. In general wado is more effective for real application and shotokan is more sporty. Never looked at shito ryu in detail so I can't comment on that.
@@foxrestive8285 ye exactly, shoto is more of a show off style, hence why most of their katas look impressive and fast, but in technical matters wado is better cuz it has more emphasis on the natural way of movement. u dont need to be really low on stance to produce power and speed.
No. But most people know the difference between Okinawa karate and Japanese karate it's all about timing and kime with Okinawa karate and speed with no timing between each Technique.
Mr Eberlein, your words are so true, as Mike Tyson said, Everybodys got a plan until they get hit in the face, this stuff is great to watch, but far removed from a street encounter,
I knew the recognised karate styles are (alphabetically) Goju Ryu, Shito Ryu, Shotokan, Wado Ryu. I don't know how many different organisations and associations and splinter groups each style has...
Yes, Kyokushin is one of the 'big four', the others being Goju-Ryu, Wado-Ryu and Shotokan. Shito-Ryu, Shorei-Ryu, Shorin-Ryu, are closer to Goju-Ryu as far as I know, and are all in the Okinawa pool. Shotokan is Mainland Japan, and I'm not too sure about where the others are most frequent
I dont see any differences to real self defense. It should be mentioned that some might say that Karate is ineffective, but, watch UFC Ex-Lt Heavyweight and Middlewight champion Lyoto Machida. His father is a high level black belt in Shotokan, which he taught his son. His father is Japanese, but Lyoto grew up in Brazil, the land of Brazillian JiuJistu. He is half Japanese and half Brazillian...and learned BJJ growing up. You can see his stance when he fights, and although he is truly a mixed martial artists, his root are steeped in Shotokan and BJJ.
ജോയിന്റ് എല്ലാം പിടിച്ചു കുലുക്കി ക്യാൻവാസ് രണ്ടു ആട്ടവുമൊക്കെ ആട്ടി വലിയ സൗണ്ട് ഒക്കെ ഉണ്ടാക്കി പവര്ഫുള് ആണ് wadoryu എന്ന് തെളിയിച്ച ശേഷം മാഷ് വീട്ടിൽ പോയി എണ്ണയും ആവിയും പിടിച്ചു കിടക്കും 😄😄😄😄😄
Bruce Lee ... no form, one can be all forms; when one has no style, he can fit in with any style. In a fight there is no style's, There is only you....
difference i saw is that the old man, could break bones, his moves were meant to kill, as for the girl, yeah she is champion in kata, but you forget 1 thing, its a lot different when something looks ''awesome'' than something that looks clunky and not so ''fabulous'' trust me the girl in shotokan can look amazing, but half of their moves wouldn't do much cuz all she is focusing on is speed. modern karate today is more about speed than what it used to be. old karate was more natural, it meant to kill and not just do something as fast as it could.
focus. Kime. Rotation of the hips, motion of the body, the kick, strike or blocks all come to focus at one moment. All the power. If you don't show kime, then you haven't performed a powerful, effective technique. That's why.
I’m a shotokan student and I know for a fact that Goju-Ryu and Shito-Ryu are older styles of karate. Shotokan came after which was popularized by Gichin Funakoshi. He brought karate from Okinawa to the rest of Japan. But it’s fictional to say that all karate roots come from Shotokan when shotokan comes from different styles
@@MaxMattie As far as I know, shotokan is one of the mother disciplines, like jujitsu, which is the foundation of most Japanese karate disciplines and all of which have their origins in Okinawan karate, but the issue of discipline and discipline is one of the most fundamental principles in kata. The karate disciplines are Japanese. Of course, this order may have changed in some disciplines, but it has been preserved as much as possible
@@realgallantful I do agree! That shotokan is one of the mother disciplines. It’s regarded as one of them and it’s my favorite styles of karate. I just meant that Shotokan is kind of a mix of the Okinawa style kárates and there are “older styles” a lot of people argue that Shotokan shouldn’t be regarded as a mother styles which I disagree with.
Shitoryu does not come from Shotokan Karate. Kenwa Mabuni studied in Okinawa, Shurite, Nahate (Gojuryu) and Tomarite. Later he traveled to Japan and trained with the founder of Aikido, Morihei Ueshiba.This collaboration gave rise to the Kata Aioagi. Kenwa Mabuni had disciples who later became grandmasters and gave "their karate" different names. For example: Shukokai, Kofukan, Shitokai, and so on. One of Mabuni's disciples was Master Tani. He called his "Shitoryu" style: Shukokai. Shigeru Kimura was a disciple of Tani and named his karate: Kimura Shukokai. The special thing about it was that Kimura was not only a karate grandmaster, world champion, four times Japanese all-style master, but also a doctor of physics. He used this knowledge of the rules of physics to optimize karate in terms of striking power. There are a few videos on TH-cam of Kimura
@@yopglomusic8872 shit in the 5 rings samurai book it says to never use kata in battle they are only to be used as excersizes. What you want is to flow freely. Smoothly and continously moving is to eliminate gaps in your defense. To stop for even a moment means you are dead. So essentially to have flow in combat you must know the individual pieces, when to use them, and how they are performed then link several together without hesitation or gaps between your kata.
@@BlackDeath1973 Yeah, that makes more sense, but it still doesn't apply to every kata. When in combat am I gonna sweep my hands all over or do some weird breathing rhythm with my hands. Never. 🤣🤣🤣
Interesting reading...of all the comments,so far. I had the privilege and honour of training in Japan at The Takushoku Diagaku on two occasions, in the early and mid 70's. The training was brutal to say the least, being a Gaijin. All I can say, it taught me Fighting Spirit. Bunkai ,works in a environment that is not real in a NASTY FIGHT. I never met a Drunken Punter who wanted to punch or kick my head in, using Karate Techniques....it was always with numerous punches and kicks, or a broken glass that they tried to ram in your face !!
Is Shito Ryu any good? What are the key differences between Shito Ryu and Shotokan? In my area there’s an abundance of Shotokan schools and 2 Goju Ryu school.. but I stumbled across 1 Shito Ryu club and am interested in what makes it unique from other styles of Karate
Filip Cieluch Not necessarily the best approach. It detracts from the real spirit and tradition of Karate. The real challenge is to apply kata movements in kumite. That is the essence. Personally I do not like kyokushin. Greetings.
Observando los tres tipos de vídeos utilizados no tienen el mismo acercamiento y sonido por lo tanto no se puede comparar con exactitud cuál es el mejor estilo, yo eh visto caras de Shito Ryu bien ejecutadas y son impresionantes.. pero chido por el video...para conocer los otros estilos..
Im from Shito_Ryu and most of the moves in Jion from the shito ryu girl were accurate but there were some errors to the movements. Shitoryu is not an exaggerated style, its a goal is to be practical.
Really disappointed at 2:25 that sequence in Shitoryu is supposed to be one of the most spectacular. It starts where you fall forward into a stomp and block
That’s really great.. don’t listen this mma shits.. they don’t even understand the difference between a combat sport and a martial art.. they are always discriminative 🤣🤣 but you did great my man.. cheers to you ❤️
And moreover this mma fools don’t know that lyoto machida is a badass karateka and kicked the asses of many mma fighters who used to learn core mma.. but why to explain these fools .. 🤣
Shotokan still looks more attractive to me out the three arts. It looks like there's more power involved, and has a flow l like. The form out of three looks better to me. The striking and blocking at the same time, I wonder how thin arms would hold up without breaking against a thicker bone person? I should have paid better attention to this style when I was a kid.
Im sorry. This was hillarious. These karate styles are too similar. I couldn't notice any huge differences. Japan should have made there styles unique like Shaolin Kung Fu. But Karate, all it's styles look too similar. I was laughing.
I like wado-ryu in this if these are true to the style it seems every movement with wado-ryu is explosive even the steps blocks and no pauses the other styles seem like they draw it out and take time to slowly adjust their body than move I feel like wado-ryu is definitely more explosive in cardiovascular where the other ones are more of an art form I would prefer the explosive personally pretty straightforward also stances pretty neutral where shotokan is pretty long. I'm a green belt in Kenshin can shorin Ryu and I like my style but I like wado Ryu kyokushin and I've been watching some uechi karate
a pesar de haber practicado varias artes me dedique mas al karate shotokan del cual he podido comprobar su eficacia poniendose por encima de otros estilos pero cabe tbm reconocer q la eficacia depende mucho de la persona q lo practica poniendo a prueba todos los estilos cada persona tiene un propio estilo distinto por lo cual no deberian haber comparaciones. gracias
Shotokan and Wado performers of Jion are very very strong here, powerful kime.. Misako Aragaki(?) for Shotokan here.. She is totally perfect.. But a bit robotic.. Wado performer is the best here.. Natural, powerful and agile.. powerful like a tiger.. Shlito ryu girl very weak.. Not a black belt level.. (I did Shotokan and Goju, so i can see the difference)
The Shito Ryu karateka appears to be a Shodan. I would go to Vegas and bet on it. Everything is together. Just needs more time , more practice. The Shotokan karateka I would guess is a solid 4th Dan (instructor)... or more. The old boy doing Wado ryu looks like he does Karate in his sleep, too. A life long dedication there.
@@bradlong7941 haha..Brad, I totally love your comment.. So much on target..!! Especially the part about the old guy, who can possibly " do karate in his sleep" 🤣👏So true.. I was fortunate enough to have been trained with guys and ladys like that.. Amazing people.. Are you a karate practicioner yourself? Respect! 👏🥋
@@joang.6664 I have been around martial arts many decades. I'm not gonna drop names. At this point my main focus is on what is in the book, "Karate-jutsu" by the late Funakoshi Sensei. If it is in the book, I practice it. If not, I don't bother. Simple, historic, and effective. I also can not let go of the 5 little weapon kata - jo and bokken as found in the (late) Tohei Sensei lineage.
@@bradlong7941 Osu, Senpai..:-)) I no longer practice Karate in a dojo, but always have greatest respect for those like you..I was only a first kyu brown belt in Shotokan, but I did spend more than five years in that style and my instructor was not about tournaments, he was exactly about what Funakoshi Sensei taught..Actually the dans and the belts do not matter..I've visited and trained in many dojos and clubs just out of curiosity..Have seen many fake belts and true Karateka of any age or gender.. I practiced some other m/arts as well. But with what I know now, I realize that there are truly as many Ways as there are people..:-) One has to master Himself/Herself..and to truly understand other people..the rest follows naturally.. Like Funakoshi Sensei used to say(my very loose interpretation).."Karate is not only in the Dojo..""Natural stance for the advanced .." and.."Do not worry too much about winning but take care rather not to loose..":-)))
@@joang.6664 Modern Shotokan is a tough guy ryu. I was awarded my shodan back in October, 1976 by the late Nakayama Sensei. I went a different direction in life when I walked into an Aikido dojo years later. The school specialized in helping recovering hard heads. Likewise, I no longer train in a dojo. I am still learning. It is the difference between a freshmen in college and a seasoned grad student. Pick out a handful of Funakoshi's original 15 kata you like. Some are found in many other styles. That is all you really need. A punching board and an occasional training partner to check techniques is even better.
@@brandondewys1835 yeah, I know it. In Kyokushin Kumite, the strongest is the winner. And in Shotokan Kumite, the fastest is the winner. Both of them don't need those Kata or any other techniques to win the Kumite, but strength (for Kyokushin) and speed (for Shotokan)
Comparing Hiroji Fukazawa to a mid-grade competitor of JKA Shotokan, to a low grade beginner who performs Passai with many issues, even for Shito-ryu... This video editing is a joke.
De niño y hasta mí adolescencia practique el estilo WaDo Ryu, proponía un estilo de combate ágil , con aplicación de fuerza en el último momento, además promovía un camino de meditación y respeto hacia los demás. Creo es común eso en todas las artes marciales, el que hace la diferencia es el practicante.
O mesmo kata executado em 3 estilos diferentes. Muda uma base, uma volta diferente. Pronto! Estilos distintos. Hj quando se cria uma Metodologia diferente e aplica sua visão nos ensinamentos. Chove de donos do karatê criticando. Donos do karatê? Desde q o karatê era Tode, Tomari te, Shuri te, Naha te, Okinawa te novas visões, Metodologia, surgem! Assim deveria ser chamado Metodologia!!! Pois pertence só aquela visão q não é imutável, muito pelo contrário. Oss
La diferencia está en la técnica, yo se wado ryu no nada en realidad, pero yo entrenó ambos estilos de shito ryu y shotokan, en shotokan las posiciones son más amplias y tienen una posición llamada kokotsu dashi, la cual en el estilo de shito ryu equivale a nekoashi dashi. La manera de hacer los movimientos defensivos también cambia mucho, en shotokan la mayoría sale del hombro, y en shito ryu ague uke y guedan barai salen del codo. La preparación de los movimientos son distintos
The bankai would really expose the difference. We see three major differences in stance and how that translates into the bankai would show why "x" is used instead of "y". Stance aside, sight deviation of how their hands and legs move indicate a response to different combat influences. Bankai would help answer these questions, the video was just bait I suppose.
Guys, comparing the first two with the third one is unfair, the wado ryu guy is Hiroji Furazawa, an 8th dan legend and one of the greatest Wado Ryu master of all time. The Shotokan girl is Misako Aragaki, a world champion in JKA for the kata category, she may be one of the greatest person on earth that can do those sequences. The third one is just a random black belt owner.
Shotokan girl is awesome! She did fast with accurate moves.
fabrice T. Well she is x world champion in jka
Victor Mace Misako Aragaki
@Victor Mace well its ur fucking name hahahha
I honestly think (opinion) Shotokan is the best. That's why I'm also apart of JKA
Darth Desec Accuracy can be seen in the position of the arms and feet, the height of the hands in relation to the head, the arrangement of the shoulders and head and if you look further you can see it according to the position of the legs .
When you train by yourself you face your shadow, shadow training, for it to be perfect, your movements should be in synch with your body. together with the speed of the movements, means that she is accurate in her gestures. I'm not surprised she's a x champion.
It's amazing how they all stood perfectly still while the others performed their parts.
😂
True, that's controle
Honestly, I don't see much difference between styles since it is the sama kata, but I definitely see the difference in the level of performers.
Right. Two different people within the SAME style and kata can look different in terms of technique, power and speed depending on knowledge and ability.
The shitoryu representative is horrible.
Antonio Garcia agreed, belt doesn’t match ability in that case.
You haven't pay attention to the foot steps.
See minute 2:31
I thought they were going to explain the difference
Broadly speaking, the man on the left seems to be the most skilled & experienced, the kata in the middle is the most spectacular to watch, and the kata on the right looks like the kind of moves I could actually do.
Nick Hentschel Fukazawa, unfortunately he passed away quite a while ago. He was a lovely guy. 8th dan at Wado. Very experienced and was very tough but kind and always willing to help.
Buddy all r diffrent styles and the traditional kata looks in shito rhu and shotokan
Karate grandmasters say that they make kata and kumite look easy but it is not easy.
@@debarghyabhattacharyya4437 True
Maybe he is doing better just because he is a man 😉
Wado ryu looks more natural, Shito ryu seems to have more soft and "elaborate" stances, shotokan is somewhere in the middle.
Yeah my thoughts
To be honest the girl doing Shito Ryu lacks in power, she isn’t bad however I don’t see the spirit in the kata. I suggest to check out kata Videos from Antonina Diaz and you can see how powerful Shito-Ryu can also be! :) this is a good video tho
Wado ryu is natural Shotokan is straightforward Shito ryu is soft and “elaborate”
Shotokan seems to havd lower stances wider movements, and focus on power.
Wado Ryu looks more controlled and focused on keeping a sense of defense. Shotokan looks more focused on strength, moving power from her legs to her arms. (Hint the stomps she does), and Shito Ryu is more calculated, keep an eye on how her feet move compared to the others. She is a little more light on her feet
Wado is tough... Shotokan is cool... Shito is more artsy
it wasn't the stomp of her feet that made the sound but the power of the punch and kick, so his kimono made a sound. By the way I am also a Shotokan karate-do player.
there is only a part of the kata where the stomping of his feet is loud
There are many more differences, but let's try to give you arguments and examples.
WADO-RYU
The one you can see in this video is Hiroji Fukazawa. This video footage seems to be from late 1990's or early 2000's. So he was filmed after having practised for almost 35-40 years.
He was a member of the original Wadokai until master Tatsuo Suzuki created the Wado Kokusai Karate-Do Renmei (Wado International Karate-Do Federation) and so he then joined him. He studied directly under Hironori Otsuka (Wado-ryu founder), under Tatsuo Suzuki, and with Hiroo Mochizuki in France. But as he has a bit derived from what was taught in Wado-ryu Renmei (created by Hironori Otsuka's son, Jiro Otsuka, aka Hironori Otsuka 2nd), he can't be considered as its best successor, due to many Mochizuki's Shotokan additions to his practice. Wado-ryu Renmei has been created to follow Otsuka family's path : Wado-ryu is not Karate, they call it "Jujutsu Kempo" (Hironori Otsuka was already the legitimate heir of Shindo Yoshin-ryu Jujutsu before beginning his Karate Practice).
SHOTOKAN
This is a mid-grade competitor from JKA Shotokan (Misako Aragaki, 3rd Dan) who officially retired from competition in 2007, and who stopped being a JKA HQ instructor at the same date. She was a Kata competition expert. JKA actually teaches only modern Shotokan. This means it has almost nothing in common with Shotokan-ryu from Gichin Funakoshi. It has lost the meanings of every move, of every technique. JKA Shotokan is now a sport, not a martial art anymore. If you wish to know what is traditional Shotokan, you'll have to learn/watch Tsutomu Oshima or its followers.
SHITO-RYU
This is a unknown low-grade of Shito-ryu. Shito-ryu's founder, Kenwa Mabuni, studied under the greatest Okinawan Karate practitioners from the 2 main Okinawan styles : Kanryo Higaonna (Naha-te) and Anko Itosu (Shuri-te/Shorin-ryu founder). Anko Itosu was one of the masters of Gichin Funakoshi (Shotokan founder). But Jion is a very old Kata from Tomari-te. Both Gichin Funakoshi and Kenwa Mabuni learnt it from Chotoku Kyan, who also studied under Anko Itosu, but more important : under Kosaku Matsumora, the heir of Tomari-te. Other Katas also come from Tomari-te : Jiin, Jitte, Niseishi, Sochin, Unshu, and a specific versions of Wanshu, Rohai, Chinto and Passai. There are already several versions from more recent schools ("styles" ?), but there is only 1 school left who teaches the original version of Jion. Kyudokan Kobayashi Shorin-ryu is the last school to teach Chatan Yara no Jion (Chatan Yara is considered as the very first master of "Okinawa-te").
There, we have a wrong demonstration, with many issues, and called modern competition "Shito-ryu". It has nothing in common with what was taught to Kenwa Mabuni, the Shito-ryu founder, and you will find many differences with what's in Mabuni's book "Karate Kempo : The art of self defense".
The differences go deeper than what you've quoted. Wado-ryu uses lots of "Nagashi", the softer parts of the arms, and focuses on piercings, like if you had a spear or a sword. Deflection is Wado-ryu's main goal. Traditional Shotokan-ryu is basically Shorin-ryu, and traditional Shito-ryu Katas are also Shorin-ryu Katas.
As Wado-ryu founder trained under Funakoshi, it should be very similar.
But as you want to compare this video editings, let's say they look very different due to their practitioner level, and due to the deviant practices. What you can see in this video are : Wado-ryu from WIKF, modern competition Shotokan from JKA, modern competition Shito-ryu. Nothing in common.
@@Haywood-Jablomie kyokushin is effective.
Honestly we could say that Japanese karate styles are pretty much as different as Judo and Jiu jitsu. Both share around 90% of all techniques, what really differs is the focus of some aspects, such as power, softess, footwork, speed etc…
Shotokan ❤️
Actually, Jion that is done Shito-Ryu girl is not the same with Shito-Ryu Jion done by the founder. The Shito-Ryu Girl is from Shokukai, a style-branch from Shito-Ryu, the actual Shito-Ryu Jion is much more difference in Kihon
That part at 2:25 I remember as where you fall forward into a block. I learned under Kyoshin Kayo
There are at least five different styles of just shito ryu. They kind of had a family feud after Mabuni Kenwa passed.
The differences between these karate styles are not really highlighted in this video. A difference worth noting is that Wado Ryu has Jujitsu elements that other Karate styles such as Shotokan, Shito Ryu, Goju Ryu and Kyokushin doesn’t.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadō-ryū
They all have some jiujitsu in it but wado ryu should have more in it since ohtsuki is originally a Japanese jitsu practiconer
@@brennanroglich9886 The throws were very annoying.
Um… once you get beyond 3rd kyu in pretty much any Okinawan style, you start learning the joint locks and throws in kata, and it becomes less and less about kicking and punching stuff.
@@NotEbugaming They do now but very minimal. Traditionally no they don’t. We kick, punch, throw and sweep until the end, our training never really becomes less of any techniques we’re taught. What’s your style my friend, and how long have you been training for?
@@brennanroglich9886 they do minimally now, but traditionally no they don’t.
Just learned this kata in Shito-Ryu. Was explained to me that this kata incorporated slower, flowing movements (1:50 for example) replacing some of the hard, fast blocks so that they're intended more as joint locks instead of deflects or breaks. It's interesting to see the difference in intent within the move differences.
Hiroji Fukazawa, an 8th dan legend and one of the greatest Wado Ryu master of all time, HAI 🥋. ......
Wado Ryu... how nostalgic, the first style I ever learnt.
Same here. Took me forever to find anybody who'd even heard of it after I moved away.
and i'm still practicing it !
I've only practiced shotokan but from what I remember, it is basically more explosive and you are supposed to stand lower on your position than the two others. It is also more spectacular that's why this style usually wins more in competitive karate. Would love to have a feedback from people who know the other styles though
I've been practicing Wado Ryu for years and of course, our positions are known to be higher than Shotokan's ones. Shito Ryu's are also high, but the biggest difference between Shito Ryu and Wado Ryu is that Wado Ryu brings some jiu jitsu techniques that don't exist in others styles.
@@faynoz8566 yeah, bang on. wado cuts out some of the more elaborate parts of techniques to make them more effective, and then adds some jiu-jitsu stuff. Definitely the most direct out of the three
Jesus, the lady doing Shotokan is beautiful
Her form is on point
Mr. Q that’s Aragaki Misaki. She’s a badass.
Matthew Bittenbender Misako Aragaki.
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From Okinawa japan karate originated so the performers of japan ofc better than others
Who ever says "Shotokan is the best" or "Wado ryu is the best" or "Shito ryu is the best, cause is faster than that style" or "more powerful than that style" doesn't understand karate... or martial arts at all.
And/or has been watching too many kung fu movies.
All of them are equally shit and useless.
Just a Florida man from 75th RR nupp.. they are not useless at all man.. combat art is different and martial arts is different.. the purpose of both of them are different.. one serves to teach for long combat fighting inside the ring and other serves to teach quick fight moves for real street fight.. and moreover martial arts is for one’s discipline, moral values, life style and combat sports is just to fight recklessly.. better watch the difference out.. and never say a martial art is useless.. humble request from my side.. 🙏🏻
@@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR brace yourselves, here comes the keyboard warrior! He has watched so many ufc fights, his typing is incredible powerful! watch out! he could talk shit about something he doesn't understand!
In the hopes of not encouraging any more keyboard warriors, I would like to clarify something: what I meant is that saying that one martial art is "quicker" than another (for example) is stupid. Your martial art is only going to be as quick as you trained for. And even so, there's only so many major differences between sistems, it really just is about preferences and history... and don't get me wrong, I'm a martial arts nerd and especially a karate nerd, I love studying different styles around many disciplines. That's why I consider that thinking that you can be more "powerful" because your style has lower stances or what ever is childish. No style is going to grant you magical powers, you are only going to be strong if you work hard for it. That's something the old karate masters knew. (Yes, it applies for "MmA iS tHe BeSt" too)
@@leoprzytuac3660 *Systems
For anyone who wonders why goju ryu and kyokushin isn't in this video: JION 慈恩 (kata's name) IS NOT PRACTICED IN ANY OF THEM.
Jion? You mean KiHon? I practise Goju Ryu and I've never heard of that.
@@pallavthaker2020 Jion is the name of the kata that the three are performing. The uploader forgot to add shorin ryu, so here's one more version of the same kata: th-cam.com/video/E9L9v7pYfEE/w-d-xo.html
@@6arcsn1sky Oh, okay, alright. That's why I didn't know. Thanks!
@@pallavthaker2020 Try to research on your own.
@@pallavthaker2020 kihon just means 'basics'
During this time Kyokushin breaks rocks and beats trees
without kata, there is no bunkai and no goshin
@@jno8039 Kyokushin has Kata, taken from both Shotokan and Goju-Ryu, which it is a mix of
@@rtyler1869 True but somehow I do hate Kyokushin kata. It's like they tried Shotokanize Goju Katas. Gekisai looks awful compared to the original Goju-Ryu version.
Kyokushin is awesome nevertheless:)
And then gets a punch in the face and cries.
I myself was a Wado Ryu practicioner and absolutely love this
Me too
Looks rather like personal differences, not different arts. Same piece, different interpreters.
@Fat Yoda so its not the diffrence like ITF TKD and WTF TKD
@Fat Yoda i dont do Karate so was just making a guess at the diffrence in no way am i an expert in Karate
The art is that of Karate, the interpretations is the style. Then of course they have their own personal flair to the executions.
I am a 3rd Dan black belt in Wadō Ryu and the key difference between Wadō and Shōtōkan, which is not well depicted here, is that Wadō is based on body management which refers to body manipulation so as to move the defender as well as the attacker out of harm’s way. This can be achieved by moving along rather than moving against or harmony rather than physical strength. This is the essence of Wadō ryu in comparison to the more static, low stances and long attacks of Shōtōkan.
Interesting explanation on harmony.. would you fight a boxer though?
424dsfdsfdsfs If the boxer can use his legs, sure, why not?
@@ioannisparaskevopoulos1120 i remember every boxer using their legs for quite spectacular multi-level movements. they dont even need need them for kicking
424dsfdsfdsfs I am not saying boxers can’t fight or not having great physique as a result of training, the same stands for Karatekas as well.But still, don’t compare a boxer to an experienced martial arts practitioner who uses his legs in various angles and heights with brutal force, as they are the stronger muscles of the human body. And don’t forget, a martial artist uses techniques, combinations were arms and legs engage, especially if he’s got well trained legs, he is unbeatable. You should know that the best kickboxers, all come from karate training background.
So far as I can see, and it's more likely a difference between practitioners than styles, the Wado Ryu fellow seems to be putting a greater emphasis on power, the Shotokan girl on speed, and the Shito Ryu girl on form. Given that it's the same kata, I'm not sure how much difference even someone well versed in the differences between the 3 would be able see without the labels.
Wado is pretty much a mix of jujutsu & stylings of karate. Shito uses leg muscles quads & Hams & other big muscles of hips & legs to produce power. The strikes are to block & stun the opposed person by them being done at close range for leverage & to develop chi throughout.
I'm a shito ryu student.. But all of them were best at their levels.. Great Kata by the way
all r awesome
Wado Ryu seems to be stronger, Shotokan balanced between them and Shito Ryu are softer.
Shotokai tá errado
@Jarmir Hung haha ok
U wrong thats because the people did it
@Jarmir Hung i hope that u mean dont waste ur time on KATAS but in warrior karate w fighting, thats were u learn
It's intereting, becouse in reality shotokan is the ''stronger'', and wado has a softer style. This kata doesnt shows us the real wado style, becouse this one wasnt made by the first wado master, ocuka sensei. It was adopted from the okinavan styles. The ohyo kumite and the kuhon kumite may show you the real form of wado.
Wado ryu look like Goju ryu and Kyokushin style.. look diference like powerfull
but Shito ryu look's to much dance there... i am so sorry (apologise me)
Yeah it looks awful but i do shito Ryu and it's not like that
@@panagiotis4053 Yes it involves huge amount of contraction.
@@panagiotis4053 and firmness in the fist.
Goju ryu forever 🌍
Orang Biasa But the shito ryu kata in the video wasn‘t very good. If you go the WKF channel, you will see, that it‘s fast and powerfull. Not like in this video. (An very good karateka is Ilja Smorguner. He also practise shito ryu. Look at his videos)
They're all great, but if you are looking for self-defense, then you should go with Wado-Ryu because the blending of Karate and traditional Jujitsu (which offers great grappling skills to accompany your karate skills) think good offense, but better defense!
Really cool video. It would be nice if in a future video the versions of Jion from Shorin-ryu, Shotokai, Shudokan, Tang Soo Do and even Hanashiro one.
Tang Soo Do=Shotokan(Korea=Japan)...
Is even more interesting to go further back to Okinawa and China.
@@JE19763 original Okinawa!
Tang Soo Do Is Basically Shotokan But Its From Korea...
While I’m not sure about most Tang soo do schools in the west, but it isn’t simply a copy of shotokan as many people claim.
Tang soo do has heavy influences from the martial arts styles of the northeast asian continent/Manchuria.
Shotokan is splited too. Shotokan Nakayama and Shigeru egami. In Nakayama, some stance had been change for the tournament.
Knowledgeable sir
yeah the beginning of the end. Well clearly itosus fault
Kase is also one, but I'm not sure if his split falls under one of these two...
Egami = shotokai...Nakyama=shotokan
Shotokai is totally different from Shotokan
Where are the Shotokan Bois ?
Here! Shotokan rules :3
Here!
I'm from Isshinryu..=))
Aye hell yea
Ayee
Shotokan ♥️♥️♥️
The difference between Wado Ryu, Shotokan, and Shito Ryu...is that Shotokan practitioners have access to better camera crews.
But seriously though, Wado Ryu was developed as a hybrid of both karate and Jujutsu, and so many of the blocks and parries performed in the kata are done with the understanding that they could potentially transition into joint locks. 2:17 to 2:19 looks particularly grabby, at least to me. Shotokan emphasizes speed, stability and power, having been brought over to Japan during a very volatile period of time (the lead up to WWII), when people felt they needed something empowering. While presenting this "powerful" look, Shotokan emphasized the teaching of things like compassion, respect, how to be humble, etc., to try and counteract all that negative energy. Shito Ryu is pretty much a blend of these various aspects, being a blend of different styles of karate.
La maestra de shotokan tiene un estilo perfecto y sus golpes son más veloces y con gran potencia
El wado es mucho mas natural, shotokan mas fotográfico y robótico por eso se ve mas impresionante.
Shotokan dá mais ênfase à potência dos golpes e à força nas defesas em conjunto com agidade. Por isso os golpes em Shotokan são muito estáticos e mecánicos.
El Wado es un estilo focalizado en movimiento rápidos y precisos como ex practicante te puedo decir el wado es más orientado a velocidad y punto de contacto se economiza el movimiento es más velocidad en cambio el Shotokan es estilo de Karate de puño fuerte
So not much difference then?Jokes aside,honestly i couldn't care less if there are slight differences in katas between styles.
More importantly to me is the differences in techniques,tactics,training methods and practical applications for self defence.
I'm a Wado Ryu Shodan and the perspective that this system is coming from is that of Tai sabaki and classical Jiu-Jitsu. This is why the stances are a bit taller and movement is from the balls of the feet
In older styles like Shorin ryu the stances are even taller than in Wado.
@@Gieszkanne yes, my best friend and my belated mentor were shorinryu black belts. In that system, proper movement is emphasized before strength and it's kata are very extensive with only shito-ryu having more.
Also remember that Shotokan was developed for the Japanese school systems and was taught en masse. Many of the stances and footwork were exaggerated so they were easier to see from the back of the class.
@@NotEbugaming you are correct. Shotokan karate was to be taught en masse. Other systems such as Wado-Ryu, Goju-Ryu, Shorin-Ryu were taught in smaller groups and often in an outdoor setting. Many Okinawan dojo are outdoors, the Kyu has to endure the elements also. This contrasts with the indoor honbu of japanese dojos. One of my mentors was a Matsubayashi Shorin-Ryu Sandan and his system emphasized proper motion. This harkens a back to mainland China and Shaolin principles.
These all look great!
I think Wado Ryu is the tightest with the movies and Shotokan is the most flowing.
The difference I see is “Wado Ryu” style has power constantly. You can hear him breathing deeply. He’s getting tired.
“Shito Ryu” seems faster, and different stances from Deep to mid stances.
The “Shoto Kan” does Fast n slow. More dynamic. You can hear her power when she stomps down to give her more power. But doesn’t easily tired. Her style has the least kiai’s.
This is more down to how the individuals are performing the kata. Wado tends to value attack and defense equally, maintaining a balance and also making moves less fancy by cutting out all unnecessary parts to allow easier application in real scenarios. Shotokan attempts to be a lot more offensive and focuses on evasion when fighting as opposed to attacking same time in wado (attacking at the same time as defending) , their katas tend to look a lot fancier and are the nicest to watch: they win competitions. In general wado is more effective for real application and shotokan is more sporty. Never looked at shito ryu in detail so I can't comment on that.
@@foxrestive8285 ye exactly, shoto is more of a show off style, hence why most of their katas look impressive and fast, but in technical matters wado is better cuz it has more emphasis on the natural way of movement. u dont need to be really low on stance to produce power and speed.
wow I didn't realise Shito-Ryu's jion was so similar to Wado-Ryu!
im sotukan,from indonesia
1:13 ill？
Yeah, I was wondering about that, myself.
😂😂😂
The difference is timing between Techniques there's a slight Pause between techniques with wado ryu shito ryu.shotokan more together with no pause.
Good observation !
And you practice Shotokan😃
No. But most people know the difference between Okinawa karate and Japanese karate it's all about timing and kime with Okinawa karate and speed with no timing between each Technique.
@@joelowen5388 "no timing between each technique" ... you are soooo wrong!
Wado is more using there hips for making power
This just one kata that they share which is why they look similar
fresherthanamutha Might be some cannot understand the subject question!
In a Real, Nasty Fight ....there is No Style.
My comments are based on real life situations working on The Doors....There is No YAME !!
Bob Eberlein yes that’s absolutely true.. a true martial artist never waits for hajime.. but is always alert for the situation he may face..
Mr Eberlein, your words are so true, as Mike Tyson said, Everybodys got a plan until they get hit in the face, this stuff is great to watch, but far removed from a street encounter,
never heard of that, but i there is No YAME , then try bukake instead
So true, Dave. Honest and true full reply.
Hello? Kata's are for connection,balance and training they have nothing to do with fighting.....................OMG!
Blocking hand movement is different in shito ryu.wade ryu looked most traditional.
Shito Ryu's methods are older.
I knew the recognised karate styles are (alphabetically) Goju Ryu, Shito Ryu, Shotokan, Wado Ryu.
I don't know how many different organisations and associations and splinter groups each style has...
Kyokushin?
Yes, Kyokushin is one of the 'big four', the others being Goju-Ryu, Wado-Ryu and Shotokan.
Shito-Ryu, Shorei-Ryu, Shorin-Ryu, are closer to Goju-Ryu as far as I know, and are all in the Okinawa pool. Shotokan is Mainland Japan, and I'm not too sure about where the others are most frequent
Uechi Ryu is another of the base styles and at this point one of the least altered in its modern form.
@@ChadTower interesting. I've genuinely never heard of this style. I'll look into it 🙏
There is also Fudokan, variation of traditional Shotokan.
Wado ryu !
I dont see any differences to real self defense. It should be mentioned that some might say that Karate is ineffective, but, watch UFC Ex-Lt Heavyweight and Middlewight champion Lyoto Machida. His father is a high level black belt in Shotokan, which he taught his son. His father is Japanese, but Lyoto grew up in Brazil, the land of Brazillian JiuJistu. He is half Japanese and half Brazillian...and learned BJJ growing up. You can see his stance when he fights, and although he is truly a mixed martial artists, his root are steeped in Shotokan and BJJ.
The shotokan and budokan styles are nearly the same as they are best with perfection
I’m a second dan black belt in budokan style...check my channel ‘budokan karate tutorials’
@@oneboneyt that channel has some kid teaching basics .. is that the channel?
Bab Babu yes I will post my next video soon
Wado Ryu looks really strong especially if the sound effects are loud.
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Wado ryu is the strong fist in karate.
Short quick and most efficient in real combat as it mostly cqc
Maybe because the performer is older and therefore should have more experience under his belt?
@@colossuscreedgaming8233 thats correct
Bruce Lee ... no form, one can be all forms; when one has no style, he can fit in with any style. In a fight there is no style's, There is only you....
I see the difference between the styles but also the difference between the levels of the karatekas. Every karate style is special.
difference i saw is that the old man, could break bones, his moves were meant to kill, as for the girl, yeah she is champion in kata, but you forget 1 thing, its a lot different when something looks ''awesome'' than something that looks clunky and not so ''fabulous''
trust me the girl in shotokan can look amazing, but half of their moves wouldn't do much cuz all she is focusing on is speed.
modern karate today is more about speed than what it used to be. old karate was more natural, it meant to kill and not just do something as fast as it could.
Yes. Just different belief/schools of thought and methodology in doing certain techniques.
Wado ryu guy made it look useful, other two just like a dance bruh why they making the pause after every move.
focus. Kime. Rotation of the hips, motion of the body, the kick, strike or blocks all come to focus at one moment. All the power. If you don't show kime, then you haven't performed a powerful, effective technique. That's why.
The roots of all these disciplines come from Shotokan and the root of Shotokan comes from Okinawa Karate
I’m a shotokan student and I know for a fact that Goju-Ryu and Shito-Ryu are older styles of karate. Shotokan came after which was popularized by Gichin Funakoshi. He brought karate from Okinawa to the rest of Japan. But it’s fictional to say that all karate roots come from Shotokan when shotokan comes from different styles
@@MaxMattie
As far as I know, shotokan is one of the mother disciplines, like jujitsu, which is the foundation of most Japanese karate disciplines and all of which have their origins in Okinawan karate, but the issue of discipline and discipline is one of the most fundamental principles in kata. The karate disciplines are Japanese. Of course, this order may have changed in some disciplines, but it has been preserved as much as possible
@@realgallantful I do agree! That shotokan is one of the mother disciplines. It’s regarded as one of them and it’s my favorite styles of karate. I just meant that Shotokan is kind of a mix of the Okinawa style kárates and there are “older styles” a lot of people argue that Shotokan shouldn’t be regarded as a mother styles which I disagree with.
@@realgallantful Shito ryu did not branch off of shotokan.
Shitoryu does not come from Shotokan Karate. Kenwa Mabuni studied in Okinawa, Shurite, Nahate (Gojuryu) and Tomarite.
Later he traveled to Japan and trained with the founder of Aikido, Morihei Ueshiba.This collaboration gave rise to the Kata Aioagi.
Kenwa Mabuni had disciples who later became grandmasters and gave "their karate" different names. For example: Shukokai, Kofukan, Shitokai,
and so on.
One of Mabuni's disciples was Master Tani. He called his "Shitoryu" style: Shukokai. Shigeru Kimura was a disciple of Tani and named his karate: Kimura Shukokai.
The special thing about it was that Kimura was not only a karate grandmaster, world champion, four times Japanese all-style master, but also a doctor of physics.
He used this knowledge of the rules of physics to optimize karate in terms of striking power. There are a few videos on TH-cam of Kimura
Shito ryu is very underrated, i believe its a wonderful style not a lot of people know about.
Dudddeee, that Wado Ryu guy has such snappy strikes.
no difference between the three. .all three have exposed chins. .they moved like robots in three-dimensional space. .
@@romuloambay9624 Kata is useless for self defense anyway. The point of kata to me is physical discipline and mastering basics.
@@yopglomusic8872 shit in the 5 rings samurai book it says to never use kata in battle they are only to be used as excersizes. What you want is to flow freely. Smoothly and continously moving is to eliminate gaps in your defense. To stop for even a moment means you are dead.
So essentially to have flow in combat you must know the individual pieces, when to use them, and how they are performed then link several together without hesitation or gaps between your kata.
@@BlackDeath1973 Yeah, that makes more sense, but it still doesn't apply to every kata. When in combat am I gonna sweep my hands all over or do some weird breathing rhythm with my hands. Never. 🤣🤣🤣
@@BlackDeath1973 wow that's pretty deep
Interesting reading...of all the comments,so far.
I had the privilege and honour of training in Japan at The Takushoku Diagaku on two occasions, in the early and mid 70's. The training was brutal to say the least, being a Gaijin. All I can say, it taught me Fighting Spirit. Bunkai ,works in a environment that is not real in a NASTY FIGHT.
I never met a Drunken Punter who wanted to punch or kick my head in, using Karate Techniques....it was always with numerous punches and kicks, or a broken glass that they tried to ram in your face !!
Wado ryu is the most effective as it's all about short stance minmal distance power.
The difference is the dude is stronger than the women, therefore his karate is more effective.
Is Shito Ryu any good? What are the key differences between Shito Ryu and Shotokan? In my area there’s an abundance of Shotokan schools and 2 Goju Ryu school.. but I stumbled across 1 Shito Ryu club and am interested in what makes it unique from other styles of Karate
There's only one dojo near me and they train shito ryu
Where's is kyokushin???
Filip Cieluch Not necessarily the best approach. It detracts from the real spirit and tradition of Karate. The real challenge is to apply kata movements in kumite. That is the essence. Personally I do not like kyokushin. Greetings.
@Felipe Radicce: Kyokushin doesn't practice jion.
Felipe Radicce kyokushin ja ja ja ja ja
Filip Cieluch and that’s how you prove you don’t know shit about karate.
@@rafaelvazqueztenor apply kata movements in kumite? Sounds like dreaming
Diferenças sutis, com mesmos objetivos.
It really don't matter to me. They all look close enough
Observando los tres tipos de vídeos utilizados no tienen el mismo acercamiento y sonido por lo tanto no se puede comparar con exactitud cuál es el mejor estilo, yo eh visto caras de Shito Ryu bien ejecutadas y son impresionantes.. pero chido por el video...para conocer los otros estilos..
Im from Shito_Ryu and most of the moves in Jion from the shito ryu girl were accurate but there were some errors to the movements. Shitoryu is not an exaggerated style, its a goal is to be practical.
Really disappointed at 2:25 that sequence in Shitoryu is supposed to be one of the most spectacular. It starts where you fall forward into a stomp and block
Wado ryu the best!!
BJJ the best 🇧🇷
It all looks like shito to me
Where is kyukushin?
They didn't show up as they went to participate in the kumite
Kyokushin is based off of Goju Ryu.
Jion isn’t the the syllabus. Does kyokushin even practice kata?
I trained karate shotokan for 6 years
Kacper You wasted SIX YEARS... I’m so sorry man
You wasted 6 years. Should've done MMA, Brazilian jujitsu, muay thai, boxing, or kickboxing
That’s really great.. don’t listen this mma shits.. they don’t even understand the difference between a combat sport and a martial art.. they are always discriminative 🤣🤣 but you did great my man.. cheers to you ❤️
And moreover this mma fools don’t know that lyoto machida is a badass karateka and kicked the asses of many mma fighters who used to learn core mma.. but why to explain these fools .. 🤣
Abhi Patel then why dont we see any karate in the mma?
Shotokan all day speed and power unmatched #Okazaki lineage
Wado ryu you can actually use the moves in real life Shotokan just looks the best and shito ryu is basic but in a good way
EXACTLY
Shotokan still looks more attractive to me out the three arts. It looks like there's more power involved, and has a flow l like. The form out of three looks better to me. The striking and blocking at the same time, I wonder how thin arms would hold up without breaking against a thicker bone person? I should have paid better attention to this style when I was a kid.
Im sorry. This was hillarious. These karate styles are too similar. I couldn't notice any huge differences. Japan should have made there styles unique like Shaolin Kung Fu. But Karate, all it's styles look too similar. I was laughing.
I like wado-ryu in this if these are true to the style it seems every movement with wado-ryu is explosive even the steps blocks and no pauses the other styles seem like they draw it out and take time to slowly adjust their body than move I feel like wado-ryu is definitely more explosive in cardiovascular where the other ones are more of an art form I would prefer the explosive personally pretty straightforward also stances pretty neutral where shotokan is pretty long. I'm a green belt in Kenshin can shorin Ryu and I like my style but I like wado Ryu kyokushin and I've been watching some uechi karate
a pesar de haber practicado varias artes me dedique mas al karate shotokan del cual he podido comprobar su eficacia poniendose por encima de otros estilos pero cabe tbm reconocer q la eficacia depende mucho de la persona q lo practica poniendo a prueba todos los estilos cada persona tiene un propio estilo distinto por lo cual no deberian haber comparaciones. gracias
Am I the only one who doesn't see any difference in any of the 3 clips that couldnt be explained by practitioners personal style?
Me too. This is discussion bait
No difference aerobics
Shotokan and Wado performers of Jion are very very strong here, powerful kime..
Misako Aragaki(?) for Shotokan here.. She is totally perfect.. But a bit robotic.. Wado performer is the best here.. Natural, powerful and agile.. powerful like a tiger..
Shlito ryu girl very weak.. Not a black belt level..
(I did Shotokan and Goju, so i can see the difference)
The Shito Ryu karateka appears to be a Shodan. I would go to Vegas and bet on it. Everything is together.
Just needs more time , more practice. The Shotokan karateka I would guess is a solid 4th Dan (instructor)...
or more. The old boy doing Wado ryu looks like he does Karate in his sleep, too. A life long dedication there.
@@bradlong7941 haha..Brad, I totally love your comment.. So much on target..!! Especially the part about the old guy, who can possibly " do karate in his sleep" 🤣👏So true.. I was fortunate enough to have been trained with guys and ladys like that.. Amazing people.. Are you a karate practicioner yourself? Respect! 👏🥋
@@joang.6664 I have been around martial arts many decades. I'm not gonna drop names. At this point my main
focus is on what is in the book, "Karate-jutsu" by the late Funakoshi Sensei. If it is in the book, I practice it.
If not, I don't bother. Simple, historic, and effective.
I also can not let go of the 5 little weapon kata - jo and bokken as found in the (late) Tohei Sensei lineage.
@@bradlong7941 Osu, Senpai..:-)) I no longer practice Karate in a dojo, but always have greatest respect for those like you..I was only a first kyu brown belt in Shotokan, but I did spend more than five years in that style and my instructor was not about tournaments, he was exactly about what Funakoshi Sensei taught..Actually the dans and the belts do not matter..I've visited and trained in many dojos and clubs just out of curiosity..Have seen many fake belts and true Karateka of any age or gender.. I practiced some other m/arts as well. But with what I know now, I realize that there are truly as many Ways as there are people..:-)
One has to master Himself/Herself..and to truly understand other people..the rest follows naturally..
Like Funakoshi Sensei used to say(my very loose interpretation).."Karate is not only in the Dojo..""Natural stance for the advanced .." and.."Do not worry too much about winning but take care rather not to loose..":-)))
@@joang.6664 Modern Shotokan is a tough guy ryu. I was awarded my shodan back in October, 1976 by the late Nakayama Sensei. I went a different direction in life when I walked into an Aikido dojo years later. The
school specialized in helping recovering hard heads. Likewise, I no longer train in a dojo. I am still learning.
It is the difference between a freshmen in college and a seasoned grad student. Pick out a handful of
Funakoshi's original 15 kata you like. Some are found in many other styles. That is all you really need.
A punching board and an occasional training partner to check techniques is even better.
Guess I’m the first Shito Ryu here
Туфта больше показуха.
All of them are fine, what about Kyokushin style? I think Kyokushin style is the ugliest one
Ragam Gadget ugliest, but the toughest 👌🏻
@@brandondewys1835 yeah, I know it. In Kyokushin Kumite, the strongest is the winner. And in Shotokan Kumite, the fastest is the winner. Both of them don't need those Kata or any other techniques to win the Kumite, but strength (for Kyokushin) and speed (for Shotokan)
Comparing Hiroji Fukazawa to a mid-grade competitor of JKA Shotokan, to a low grade beginner who performs Passai with many issues, even for Shito-ryu...
This video editing is a joke.
Shotokan sem dúvidas mais completo de todos os estilos!
The wado ryu practitioner is breathing heavy
Proceed With Cortion well that’s cuz he’s in his sixties
John Rabaste' and putting a lot more power into the techniques.
Carl Johnson yep. How it should be done
@Kicker damn true to
De niño y hasta mí adolescencia practique el estilo WaDo Ryu, proponía un estilo de combate ágil , con aplicación de fuerza en el último momento, además promovía un camino de meditación y respeto hacia los demás. Creo es común eso en todas las artes marciales, el que hace la diferencia es el practicante.
Muy bien dicho.
O mesmo kata executado em 3 estilos diferentes. Muda uma base, uma volta diferente. Pronto! Estilos distintos. Hj quando se cria uma Metodologia diferente e aplica sua visão nos ensinamentos. Chove de donos do karatê criticando. Donos do karatê? Desde q o karatê era Tode, Tomari te, Shuri te, Naha te, Okinawa te novas visões, Metodologia, surgem! Assim deveria ser chamado Metodologia!!! Pois pertence só aquela visão q não é imutável, muito pelo contrário. Oss
I would say that the difference in the last one is in the first four letters
La diferencia está en la técnica, yo se wado ryu no nada en realidad, pero yo entrenó ambos estilos de shito ryu y shotokan, en shotokan las posiciones son más amplias y tienen una posición llamada kokotsu dashi, la cual en el estilo de shito ryu equivale a nekoashi dashi.
La manera de hacer los movimientos defensivos también cambia mucho, en shotokan la mayoría sale del hombro, y en shito ryu ague uke y guedan barai salen del codo.
La preparación de los movimientos son distintos
Only difference is the level of proficiency. The lefter the higher
The same bullshit
Difference is Wado Ryu is better, yeah?
Yep
While their Jion is very well done, I forgot to post that Higa Minoru performs a more awesome Jion.
th-cam.com/video/E9L9v7pYfEE/w-d-xo.html
Falto 1 estilo clásico según yo. Creo en goyo ryu
Inasmuch as I enjoyed the demo, some voiceover would have been helpful, to illuminate the nuances of the technique.
Shito Ryu 😃
The bankai would really expose the difference. We see three major differences in stance and how that translates into the bankai would show why "x" is used instead of "y". Stance aside, sight deviation of how their hands and legs move indicate a response to different combat influences. Bankai would help answer these questions, the video was just bait I suppose.
Bunkai...the terminology matters.
Shotokan lady is perfect