Ok, people, what's the worst argument someone has used to try to convert you? For me it might have been, "You just deny God because it makes you feel better about being gay. Just go to conversion therapy and you'll be able to believe in god again." My wife would be shocked if that were the case.
“You’re just angry at God”...it bothers me because they never say what I would be angry about. It feels like a personal attack on my character, appearance, or lifestyle.
Genetically Modified Skeptic there is much more nonsense coming from carnists like: “canines tho” or “plants feel pain tho” .... what’s your best defense of the animal products industry or the entire practice of killing animals for food ?? It’s clearly not the best thing for the experience of conscious creatures if that’s what we care about
I’m number 1. Although I wasn’t a very extreme Christian as it was my granny who brought me to mass every Sunday and my parents weren’t bothered to go cuz I don’t think they had a strong belief.
Atheist is your word for us and yet you get it wrong. We do not worship immiterial creatures, practice magic, believe in revealed wisdom or concern ourselves with delusional notions of life after death. We do wish to work together and progress toward better outcomes through planning, cooperation, implementation, review, revision and correcting errors to modify the future in ways that surpass our individual abilities and lifespans in order to benefit untold generations. We refer to ourselves as secular. Thank you for your attention.
The toughest question I got were "what if you're wrong?" I found out later that 10,000 religions exist worldwide and Christianity has 33.000 to 40,000 denominations, so any Christian has only a 1% chance of following the right religion.
Not all are created equal, after accepting that 99% have been started by heretics looking to justify their messed up personal beliefs, it becomes much easier to decide.
That god comes across like a mobster, doesn't he? (read in a Don-Corleone-voice): "Nice soul you have there. Shame if anything bad happened to it, wouldn't it? Better pray really, really hard..."
So then i give this question to any atheist who see's this. Why dont you believe in God? Now its hard for me to try to relate because when i use to be athiest, what changed me was seeing with my own eyes (probably most hated answer) and to try to explain to someone who has never seen anything spiritual is quiet hard because they cant relate. And from my point of view, most times when i try to bring up questions to athiests, they have always ended up with, "IDK" eventually and that's also hard to fight too because "Idk" and pride go hand in hand. It has been very rare for somebody to tell me "idk" and really consider why they dont know instead of saying "idk" and leave it at that because they dont understand. We all fall guilty of casting out anything and almost everything that doesnt agree with our understanding as stupid or non sense and that doesnt only apply with God. We all have seen and believe in the work of God and have names for them that most people i know, believe. That's *Luck* , *Karma* , and *coincidence* . These are the top three names that keep people from believing in God simply because they have a different name to them. Now idk anybody who has been able to answer these and debunk them without starting with, "I dont know" But all our life, we are told that we are limitless but the truth is that we are LIMITED. Both physically and mentally. How many times have you heard, "you can do anything if you just put your mind to it"? That's a root of pride. Your understanding can only reach but so far and because most people believe that lie, when something comes to try our understanding of things, when we can only answer with "i dont know", that pride comes into play and we cast it off as stupid or non sense. Now if you read this far, that shows me that you're willing to listen. And now i ask you, with all the theories that i come up with during our debate, if you can explain to me, or show me a video that debunks my theory, please do. But i do say, most times, when something seems like it debunks a theory, its because we havent seen the "debunking" being debunked because we stop when it seems like we're the victor. So again i ask the question. Why dont you believe in God??
Just trust me bro, it's just a phase. Another 60 years and you'll be believing in god Edit: the joke is that he's at least 63 years old, so in 60 years he's gonna be at least 123, which means he's either gonna be real dead, so he can't believe anything, or in heaven so he'll believe in god. I'm also an atheist please don't dunk on me
LOL. Being serious tho, all these christians invalidating your lifetime experience like they know better than you, just shows why atheists doesn't listen to them.
@@MrMarco855 Well that and the child molestation, obvious corruption of power, the violently stupid followers who attack whoever doesn't believe in a particular version of their master that lives in the clouds and generally being a moral pestilence to humanity.
@@drew506 This is a concept that actively works against religion, but this has nothing to do with the existence or nonexistence of God. An antitheist is always an atheist, but the atheist does not necessarily have to be an antitheist.
@@drew506 No. As I sayd. These are to differend concepts. Atheism is just the belief that there is no God. Antitheism is against the belief in God. Huge difference.
@@DeathKillingFile and yet atheists spend almost every moment saying how religion is retarded and the people who follow them are mindless idiots. Don’t believe me? Go to r/atheism.
“The Bible says XYZ...” Me: Okay, what if I don’t believe the Bible is the infallible word of God and think it’s just a collection of stories written by men? “Um...Well...Then there’s no helping you. Off to hell with you.”
Actually, if you doubt the Bible, have a talk with God about it. "The pure in heart will see God." An atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a police officer; we are born as rebellious God-haters. Yet, if you ask God to show you what is so great about knowing Christ, He will show you. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh Alright, let's test that. As I'm typing this, I'm saying these exact words aloud: God, show me what is so great about knowing Christ. Please, I want to know. I'll report back on the results, but I'm holding little in the way of hope that I'll get anything meaningful.
@@kenshiloh That's sweet, just like in Peter Pan. Ofc if he doesn't answer, that doesn't mean he's not real, it's just that you didn't believe hard enough, or didn't sprinkle enough fairy dust.
@@esbenm6544 God will answer every prayer! Whether it’s obvious or not God will ALWAYS work it out! And to say that prayer is like pixy dust is way out of perspective. Prayer is led by a relationship with God. All can pray, anywhere, any time, any reason, anything! That’s the beauty of it. However, to compare it to pixy dust is assuming prayer is to gain something, in a sense. God is happy to listen to your request, but he may say no. If you ask God for a million dollars and expect it is very unfair. Now, I am certain God will lead you to a relationship with Him with great joy! So, I ask that you pray with genuine want for a relationship with God, it will come. Also, honest question: Do atheists that grew up atheist avoid God? Or are they genuinely trying to love God? Please help me understand your perspective better! God bless!
"But what about Zeus and Ra and the godess of life and fertility? How can you be sure those don't exist but your god does?" "No, those are fake gods. I'm talking about the real God." Sure thing pal
The abrahamic God is more of a philosophic concept in modern day understanding rather than the ancient superhero characters that are called god's in other cultures. Even though we use the same word, they're pretty different ideas. You might be able to compare God with some Buddhist concepts of higher power, but at that point it's more just different attempts at describing something fundamental rather than one disproving another.
What makes you think all the other God's ar efake but the one that you first learned about and the first God you were told to worship is true? There's over 4k religions on this planet, and each one of them says that their God is real. If your God was real wouldn't you think way more people would change religions?
@@andrewprahst2529 my point is that there are thousands of religion and each one makes the same points. "This is the one true religion" "Our God is the real God" "All other religions are fake" etc. If there was oen true religion, wouldn't there be a lot of people converting to it? Wouldn't there be physical evidence for the existence of the one true God? It's like giving 10 people an ice-cream, each person has a different flavor and each one says "This is the best ice-cream on the planet" and will refuse to think otherwise.
you know what they say..."once a catholic always a catholic". What they don't say, is they couldn't care less whether or not you believe or not. They just want you against God.
as someone coming from a catholic country I hate it so much! I'm not catholic and I never signed up for this, them forcing that identity onto me makes my blood boil. I got baptised without my consent as an infant and now there's no way to make the Church remove my personal data from their archives even if I apostate, they're literally above the law.
@@baizhuwaitingroom7057 i feel you, looks the same in my case, i'm Polish, baptised and raised catholic as a child simply because it's the default here, my family isn't even that religious
In the philipines its a lot worse even kids basically ridicule you for not the believing at a young age because that occured to me my friends literally prayed I would become a theist again basically Atheists there are a minority
Someone: “How can you look at trees and not believe in god?” How. What. Trees? Yeah trees are cool. How do you look at the moon and not believe an invisible two-headed unicorn named Aria pulls it around Earth?
The worst argument is “you’re just angry with god and secretly believe in him”. This statement automatically discredits itself. If you don’t actually believe in god, hearing someone say this shows that they are factually incorrect, they’re trying to convince you of your own thoughts.
@@Hariester Why would I say that though? Him? Her? It? Them? They're accusing me of hating something, and I'm trying to get them to see that I have no idea whatsoever which something they're talking about. There are thousands of the things, apparently. I don't know if I hate their god because, at this point, I don't know for certain whether I've even *_heard_* of the one they're talking about. It's like someone saying, "You hate food because you don't eat it even though you secretly like how it tastes!" Which food? I don't know which one they're talking about.
@@stickiedmin6508 let's be honest here. If they say "him" then it's 99% Abrahamic god. And that it's fictional character doesn't mean that you wouldn't hate it. There's many fictional characters that I honestly hate.
I usually call them out for heresy when they try that. After all, how else would they know my thoughts and beliefs better than me if they werent witches or servants of the devil in some way? Most of the time they shut up lol.
1. Atheism is a religion. Any time you have an "ism" it is a religion if you broaden the definition a bit (ie, contains dogma, advocacy, does battle with opposing viewpoints). 2. It might be.
@@jackmatthewtyson If I don't have a car, then I don't have a car, but I might still have "one" depending on what is being enumerated. There is no law to prevent a car brand "By Foot" which would be interesting, somewhat like the Chevy Nova (No Go!)
@@thomasmaughan4798 So if you have no interest in football and never played football and you never will, you are a footballplayer of a team existing from people who don't play football?
@@jackmatthewtyson Yes, something like that. A team that is not a team; where members that have no knowledge of other team members nevertheless speak for the team. When I was in the Navy one of my co-workers decided to form a club. It had no officers, but in order to be a club it had to have officers. So there was a Non-President, a Non-Treasurer and a Non-Charter that defined many things we did not do.
@@arthurtfm yes that can be only understood by experience so when you are your grandfather's age you would have experienced much more than you have experienced now
technically but then he would be encroaching on our free will Edit: I was wrong here. But he already came down and told everyone, that's what the new testament is about.
@@volcryndarkstar If the CEO of a corporation has his secretary take down a letter, who is the author of the letter,... the CEO or the secretary? Pay attention and you'll learn something.
I, as an atheist, DO hate god. The mere concept of it. If there WAS a god (which I am quite happy there isn't) he was our worst enemy by definition. If there is a LORD, then WE are his subject. If there is a master, we are slaves. If GOD is anything good, WE are everything bad. Yes, one can hate someone else he does not believe to exist. Like Ramsay Bolton*. *chosen that one, because just like the biblical god, he's a fictional antagonist from a written story. And comparing those two by their deeds, I'd rather meet Ramsay.
@@rumpelstilzz *You* hate a god. Atheists as a whole do not. But that's one of the problems, atheists are a very heterogenous group, any generalist statement outside of the obvious "They don't believe in gods" is unlikely to be accurate.
@@andrewsealey2236 the clue is in the noun 'theism' I.e. belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe. I am a naturalist, I don't believe in anything supernatural. If alien life exists, it (they) will follow the natural laws of the universe. Scientific principles and laws will apply. They may be so far advanced as to appear 'godlike' to the theists. Who, let's be honest, only 250 years ago, burnt amateur midwives as 'witches'.
@@xxreidxx2362 I classify myself as an agnostic humanist. An agnostic believes 'human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist'. Humanism which is a ' life stance that embraces human reason, secular ethics, and philosophical naturalism while specifically rejecting religious dogma, supernaturalism, and superstition as the basis of morality and decision making' I may at some stage or another find irrefutable evidence to change this view either way and will inevitably lead to a evidence based belief that nether religion or atheism cannot satisfy.
@@leowulf5280 What would you define 'Scientology' as. Although I don't subscribe to beliefs it is accepted as a religious movement. Any belief that believes in some higher order way or another can be, regarded as a religious belief. Why would it nor be considered to be acceptable to have a belief in aliens as a following a some form of higher order. Even Nazism can be construed as a religion especially with its fascination with the occult. In a modern twist American republicanism could also be considered an religion based on some of the beliefs they align themselves with.
All I want to know is why it’s so crucial to believe in something bigger than ourselves. Why do so many people need to be reassured of their worth, and to believe they are an important part of the world we live in. We are insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but that’s okay. I’m just happy that I was born into this world and that I can spend the time I was given with the people I love, that’s all I need to know that my life has a purpose.
yes exactly!!, there's this one argument that christians use against atheists that 'you can't prove that God does not exist' but they don't understand that lack of solid and observable evidence is actually the proof of his absence at least in SCIENTIFIC LOGIC
@Localhost83 yeah i know and that's why i said "AT LEAST IN SCIENTIFIC LOGIC". lack of solid evidence and observable evidence of a claimed character means it does not exist until solid and observable evidences are provided. It's pretty much the same thing christians mean when they tell you to prove the non-existent, "'"just because I can't prove doesn't mean he exists"'" and so they conclude that 'UNTIL YOU PROVE THAT HE DOESN'T EXIST THEN HE EXISTS' you get my point now?🙂
I think it's because if we accept that nothing matters, it means that good and evil are equivalent in the eyes of nature, and that's pretty hard to stomach.
Although im against religion (unless it's not influencing as much as it now and is a choice) i do respect the people who follow it. I've talked with some theists and some constantly made excuses (i showed bible verses which are disturbing in nature from the old testament from non censored bible versions) and other said although they don't fully believe in the bible that the Faith in god gave them rest they need. Which i can understand since the world can be stressful for people. I think religion can help people but it shouldn't be forced and shouldn't influence area's of society which the future relies on. (science, education, law, government, politics and so on). I don't think the majority of religions people these days are bad, they just choose to follow it and use it actually make themselves better and live free.
“Atheists believe the world came out of nothing.” Wrong. We’re just willing to admit we don’t know where it came from and that we are not convinced by the explanations offered by a century-old work of literature. We keep exploring. That’s all. Simple.
Interesting how you speak for all atheists. Are there not atheists who believe in a universe from nothing? Clearly you don't, but atheism being the non-religion that it is should have a diverse set of viewpoints, right?
@@stevemswendy86 What about mega anti god? Equally valid. Anti god punishes everyone who just follows orders from god. Prove he doesn't exist. That's the problem with that point. Ad now we haven't even addressed super ultra anti god, don't get me started with that fella, very unpleasant. He wants you to drink nothing but pickle juice. Or else you will be boiled in it in the eternal afterlife that can't be proven.
Hell's existence makes sense. If a judge here on Earth was to let a criminal go that committed grand theft auto he would be looked as an unjust judge not a righteous judge. Adolf Hitler killed millions of Jews because they were Jewish and then offed himself. Tell me where is the Justice for those people. Sin should be punished. God came in form of man to redeem mankind back to himself and die for the sins of the world. What makes a person miss heaven is not believing in the only one that died for the sins if the world. His name is Jesus. Everybody has sinned except Jesus because he was God in man. If you want to know what God is like it's in the person of Jesus. People need a savior. Can't be justified without him.
That woman who talked about her fear of death, I sympathise. I grew up in a religious family and never really believed beyond vague ideas. I started to really think about religion and question in my pre-teens/early teens, but my fear of death eventually pushed me to get baptised in my late teens. It was really more of a Pascal’s wager situation if I’m honest and, in the end, rational thought won out anyway.
Or you could accept that everyone dies and there's nothing you can do about that, beyond trying to extend your life as much as you can, but you may still be hit by a bus or have an unexplained brain aneurysm tomorrow, so you may as well stop fearing it and go about the business of enjoying what life you have, especially with no smidgeon of proof of souls or an afterlife.
I completely agree. Honestly, that's the reason I want all people to become atheists, so they fear death, so we all can work together to make all people's lives better and longer. I think we would advance much much faster than we're doing right now
i swear that Lord of the Rings argument is so silly. LOTR has never foretold future events, nor has it ever told history or spoke of scientific understands that we're only recently finding out to be true through modern scientific testing. yes they are both books, but one is fantasy (LOTR) while the other is a Biography. Yeshua Ben Elohim (Jesus) was an actual person, as was King David, Solomon, Isaiah, and everyone else mentioned in The Book.
@@brooklynvlogs9396 But there's war in LOTR, it predicted war in real life. What did your "biography" predict? What about the transplants technically depicted in Frankenstein? What about credit cards in Looking Backwards? The nuclear-esk hand grenade in The World Set Free? And wow, things like fictional movies and games (and books too) also can include people that actually exist or existed. What does that have to do with anything?
@@thederogativeworld yeah nit picking doesn't work for this argument, oh the main character was short with dark hair and my cousin is short with dark hair therefore he is Frodo! not a good argument. and just to name one Jesus predicted that the world will eventually legalized all forms of Lust, Homosexuality is legal and soon the legal age of consent will be drastically lowered, in California they're already treating it as a gender/sexual preference, after that bestiality will become legal. and it has everything to do with it because you were comparing The Bible to Lord of The rings and now your changing your argument of full fantasy to semi fantasy.
@@brooklynvlogs9396 Guess what, it's still fantasy! There's also a clear difference between me using fiction with some realistic elements to show scientific predictions, and entirely fictional mediums to show real people in fake works. Oh, and please tell me how Wolfenstein 2 is "semi fiction." Also you clearly missed the sarcasm in that first sentence. It was never intended to be an actual argument, it's too absurd. Just like your arguments. As well as none of those things you said your book "predicted" being, what was it? Ah yes "scientific understands that we've only recently finding out to be true through modern scientific testing." Where are the scientific breakthroughs? Cause those examples look like social changes that ENTIRELY depend on feelings/emotion and can easily change, and thus mean absolutely nothing as "predictions"
@@thederogativeworld um no the Bible talks about Relativity, Atoms, explains to us that the earth is round at a time when people thought it was flat, and plantly of other stuff. But I'd like to know why you think The Bible is semi fantasy, tell me some of the stuff you think is fantasy, cause it's certainly possible that you misunderstand it.
@@pauliusmscichauskas558 lol. I guess we can add "people in wheelchairs" to the list of people not allowed into heaven. Along with any man who's had his genitals damaged (which is kind of ironic because God also demands circumcision). Wow... God really is an able-ist, isn't he?
As a Christian, I don't understand why other Christians shame atheist, didn't the bible said to spread love and not hatred. Showing hatred is a way of deglorifying God, by showing hatred towards atheist, others will view that this religion is full of hypocrites, unloving people, which in turn pushes atheist away rather than making them closer towards God. My whole point is showing hatred will not help people go towards God. Because the main goal is to pull others towards God through love.
Same man,I'm gonna comment about this also,I'm a Christian and I don't blame why other atheist hate some Christians because some Christians force our religion to other people instead of spreading love to all people as that Jesus wants us to do,stay safe always and God bless
I'm pretty sure in the bible there is a saying called "the path was before the bible" or something(rough translation, not American nor English) which basically means "being a good person is more important then being religious" Then again, the bible changes between religions, even if they're about the same god and the same thing...
That's interesting actually. Generally if you want to know if a belief is true, a somewhat effective method is to try everything you can to prove yourself wrong, and if that fails, you're probably right. (If x is false, y result will probably occur > y does not occur > x is probably not false).
I listened to a lot of pastors at a LOT of bible studies, then I kept having even more questions, because they sure have a lot of interpretations of the same thing. Like in Genesis, one guy says there were people before Adam and Eve, but they were like prototype kind of people. ??? One guy says Jews won't go to hell even if they don't accept Christ, because God favors them, one guys says all people will go to hell if they don't accept Jesus, one lady pastor says once saved always saved, another says, you can lose your salvation after being saved, same guy has a play that shows someone smoking cigs and going to hell. Some people say women can preach, some say no, it's against the Bible. WTF! And this is all in the same protestant sect. I'm like WTF is wrong with this.
I eventually became an atheist, ironically, because I was a fan of Greek mythology as a kid. The first hint that something smelled fishy was when I read about how the sons of Poseidon could walk on water. Basically, the children of each Greek god inherit a specific innate superpower, kind of like the X-Men. Water-walking for the sons of Poseidon, super strength for the sons of Zeus, etc. Secondary powers required divine intervention. The sons of Poseidon needed to yell for daddy if they wanted to _breathe_ water. And the sons of Zeus had to ask their daddy for a lightning strike. And then I thought about how Jesus supposedly walked on water, and I imagined a conversation where the Christian was being told about the powers of the sons of Poseidon, and countered with "Uh, our guy could do that too!" "My god is bigger than your god." That was when the leak sprung that gradually let all of my faith dribble out of the tank.
@@EEE-kg3vy I read stuff about evolution and its just bonkers. At the time, it was used to explain how Africans were more closely related to monkeys on the humanoid evolutionary spectrum and lead to some serious racist stuff like human zoos! And thats why I am a Christian, because the way the way the bible depicts the creation of humans is far more easier for me to understand and far less racist for that matter. Science is all about looking at the possibilities rather than caging ourselves with facts. Because facts can always be disproven in the next thirty or forty years. I mean, look at freakin Einstein! He opened up a whole new way of looking at reality and that was because he was always looking at possiblities.
"You can't prove god doesn't exist." - Always so funny because they can't prove god does exist either. Why potentially waste thousands of hours of your life going to church, praying and discussing religion if there's a good chance it's completely pointless.
People have widely accepted that the burden of proof is on those making the claim (i.e. you don’t have to prove you aren’t a criminal), so anyone making this argument in an attempt to convert others really is stupid. On the other hand people go to church for psychological reasons, usually it’s a way to seek comfort which is a rather strong insensitive.
Pretty much Devil’s proof. Of course I always lean toward the more logical side. Though we can’t prove the existence of gods, science has came pretty far and debunked a lot of his stories and the Bible. I’m not saying I hate religion and Christianity/god, I’m just saying the Bible is a really sketchy book.
Honestly a lot of people simply believe in it for the sense of comfort that it could bring and how it might actually improve their life. One of my real life experiences is how my uncle was actually a horrible drug abuser until he found religion and after a year and a few months he was a completely different person. May not be real but at least it provides proper comfort to those In need
Not only that but there is no greater probability of one god’s existence as opposed to any other. There are thousands of gods. In the absence of any empirical proof, what makes one god’s existence more likely than the thousands of others?
@@devilsadvocacy Completely agree. Who's to say the ancient religions that had gods for the sun, moon, sea etc weren't correct? Or any of the many religions in India? People believe their religion so fervently but the only reason the vast majority of people follow their religion is because they were born into a family/town that brainwashed them as a child.
What’s funny is every church I know has gotten new followers that are down in a rough patch desperate for anything to help their misery, the human psyche does anything it can to get comfortable.
Alec Chaidez you just explained the lunacy yourself lol. why can’t the universe be eternal? makes more sense than it being spawned by an eternal being, because beings have to be made. rocks are just there
Alec Chaidez that’s not ‘literally the only way it could make sense’, if god could exist infinitely why can’t matter? that makes way more sense, plus, we can see matter. it can’t be created or destroyed so maybe it just is why does some human figure from an old book have to be the creator? why weren’t the egyptians right, they were first after all. we are not special, we are just organic matter, a factor of the universe. no one made rocks for us, unlike coke bottles which have an obvious function, we just made use of rocks to form tools.
Alec Chaidez I’m not doubting a man who bore that names existence as, you are right, there are multiple historical accounts, however none state any sort of supernatural occurrences. He was likely just a preacher, which doesn’t prove anything
My favorite phrase someone has used to try and argue with me was: “You can’t prove God doesn’t exist.” It’s so simple, but it’s amazing because I always get to clap back with: “You can’t prove God does.”
@@markwitcombe2119 So why is it our responsibility to provide evidence for you? We don’t think he exists, why would we believe anything that you say comes out of his mouth? Also, you can’t cite the Bible dude, there is zero evidence that it was actually a truthful story, and even less evidence that your God wrote it.
*Once you discover that The Great and Powerful Wizard of Oz is actually only a little man pushing buttons and pulling levers behind a curtain..., you just can't go back to believing it was real...*
Or... Once you've been pulled out of the Matrix and shown "what the Matrix is" you can never go back to believing that it's anything other than a computer simulation
And once you figure out that people who want to convince you anything goes want to profit from the collapse of society, then you won't believe their atheist lies any longer.
how many of these people who were atheist and then started wondering "is there a god?" thought about ancient gods like zeus, osiris, odin, ereshkigal etc. instead of gods worshiped in their community/family/surroundings?
sarasthoughts that would be a theory/view regarding gods and trying to connect them to God; it presupposes that they are different concepts. The very fact that someone might take gods to be manifestations of God shows that God and gods are not identical concepts. And they're not; any study or reading of theistic religious or philosophical traditions can show this.
@@sh4dy832 I don't follow Him. I'm spiritual but I'm not religious so I don't carry the belief that God is all good or all evil. I think of God as being a more neutral creator figure, worthy of neither worship nor hatred. I think of God as being fundamentally opposed to organised religion and the idea of defining any one thing as objectively good or evil would be against how I perceive God. And so as God is neither good nor evil, why would He prevent or make happen any specific thing?
@@royanque8374 Essentially, yes. However, I would phrase it more as that we defined the things that we are naturally repulsed by as evil as a logical response to our emotions. I believe that ‘God’, or whatever you want to call it/Him, wants us to figure what is good and evil for ourselves. Many religious people say that evil exists because of free will and that we require free will to be truly good otherwise we would simply be slaves of God doing what He told us was good but not understanding the concept of good. I sort of agree myself but I don’t think that God has any specific definition of good laid out for us and so we have the free will to both DO GOOD as well as DEFINE GOOD.
He actually does, Jesus does that trough believers, it’s like he wants to show u he's real (but ofc also so u don’t have to live in pain). Search for Tom Loud and Todd White in YT, what they did is not edited and can be done by any believer.
I believe in science. I believe in empathy and having compassion for one another. I believe that, no matter what else, doing good for others is its own reward.
Atheism isn't a religion, and neither is theism. They are simply the belief or lack of belief of a higher being or beings. Theists just don't get that.
I'm not adherent to the idea that there could be higher beings, after all, we can't know, but I'm atheist because I can't accept the contradictions in most religion.
@schneidy81 For the same reason I don't want people beheading chickens and dancing around in their blood, or any other silly superstition that takes the place of actually doing something useful.
Yeah most of these "i was an atheist videos" are from obvious liars... they speak in this very weird fake schizoid speech pattern that only religious people seem to have .
+Greg. I agree, because brainwashed people really tend to have the view that the goal justifies the means. Just take a look at who they vote for in USA.
It's code for "I felt really bad and wanted to believe and believing made me feel better". Good for them. Unfortunately a comforting lie is still a lie.
as an atheist who grew up in a semi-strict, mostly-relaxed christian-religious setting, not all theists are over imposing of their beliefs, I would consider myself lucky on that front. I was free to choose my path, but I know others are not so lucky, and I send good vibes to those in hopes that things get better.
Amy Xoxo I’m gonna be completely honest with you, I have know idea why I made that comment, I hate grammar nazis and I wouldn’t usually do that. So maybe it was a troll, but it was so irrelevant that I didn’t care to remember it, maybe you shouldn’t either.
@Keylanos Lokj I honestly never think about god, that's something that doesn't bother me. Its much easier santa to exist than god. There could actually be someone very rich who helped the poor every year.
krillin6 This is exactly the conclusion I have come to. Apologetics was never intended for converting non-believers. It is a defense mechanism designed to help doubting believers, and hence need not be all that convincing. It’s target audience “wants” to believe. They use childhood indoctrination, and love bombing people who are down and out for proselytizing quite effectively. Believers think that apologetics arguments are quite convincing because they already want to believe.
I always think of 'converting' to atheism as 'waking up'. Enlightenment, as others would call it. And who the hell wants to go back into the dark once they come out of it?
As someone who has never believed, I spent the first 21 years of my life in a very Christian area of the Midwest. My parents did not put me through childhood indoctrination, which brings forth the superstition, fear, and guilt essential for dogmatic belief. However, these Christians blew their chance at reaching me when I was young. It was found out by other kids in first grade that I did not believe, and this was shortly before I learned of the consequences attached to not believing, or not even trying to appear to believe. How these Christians blew their chance is simple to uncover. NOT ONE of these "good Christians" ever took the time to show me their "god's love," or anything resembling nurturing, caring, community, or concern. Not one. Instead, they called me names. They threatened me. They dehumanized me, which opened the doors to getting beat up and otherwise abused. You're a heathen, a sinner, broken, a failure, filthy, satanic, and less-than-human. Imagine grown adults cornering a first grader and screaming at them about how they're evil, satanic, less-than-human, and informing them that they are hell-bound for eternity for the "sin" of not believing. To call it scary would be an understatement. My grade school years were when they had a chance to convert me, by showing me a life lead by example. But none of them lived a life of example. None of them were truly good people, in the non-religious view of good people who are good based on doing good things and not labeled "good" because they believe something. None of them extended a hand. None of them engaged in "love thy neighbor." To be clear, and to put a point on it, they failed in their Christian duty to save my soul from hell. That is on them. I still see no reason why I should believe any of it, and then choose a segment of it over choosing another segment.
DrumWild , I grew up also in the Midwest. But I was raised and schooled all the way through high school in the Catholic religion. I remember getting out of church one Sunday and watching a parent slapping and yelling at their child because they needed to go to the bathroom and the parent was angry they didn’t use the bathroom before they left. I was very young at the time but that was my first realization that something was not right about this whole religion thing. I would watch that parent each week bow, sing, genuflect and do the sign of the cross and then drag their children out of church always yelling about something or another. It unfortunately took me a long time to get over the god thing. I raised my children by asking questions of them instead of giving them answers about a god that I never understood. They are grown now and have children of their own and I’ve spoken to them about how they felt about an “ungodly” upbringing because I felt I was just playing by ear since my upbringing was so different. My parents were not happy with the way My husband and I brought up our children. They were baptized after birth because it was easier to acquiesce than listen to the “ but you must baptize them. What if something happens?” I’m so sorry you had that kind of experience growing up. My heart goes out to you. (((Hugs)))
+DrumWild I do not share your story, but I share your conclusion from it... The best proof that there is no biblical (quranic) god is the believers "defending" that god and no deity intervening and stopping them from fundamentalism and discrimination of other worldviews. No god worth it's salt would let ignorant zealots talk for him without setting things right. Where is the fucking "ssmiting" of sodom and Gomorrah with the Westboro Baptist Church or Steven anderson when they insult their god by shouting out hateful sermons with frothing mouths... ?
The adults who threatened you with hellfire and brimstone were clearly maladjusted human beings who were also abused throughout their childhood. Indocrinating children into faith based living cripples them for a lifetime. The adults who bullied you literally did not have the moral compass to show them that they were being what they would call "satanic". They weren't given the chance to develop critical thought or their own code of ethics. The thing about "good christian ethics" is that they're not wrong about everything, it's the exclusivity that turns christians into devils. It's not wrong to love thy father and thy mother, obviously, but it's pretty fucking wrong to threaten children for not believing in god, it's pretty fucking wrong to threaten children or adults for being homosexual, it's not wrong to love thy neighbour, but is your neighbour islamic? well fuck that dickhead then. Islam is satanic if you're a christian. Send that cunt to hell. What about your other neighbour? They're protestant,l but you're Catholic. Well fuck that cunt too. Don't send your kids to school with the dirty protestant cunts. Catholicism is the one true path. you know that because your daddy told you that as he beat your mother and sister bloody for showing off too much ankle. You get the point. A christian is a walking paradox. If they were given a chance by their community to grow up and develop properly, they would never have hurt you. Religious practice is like the Oroboros eating it's own tail for eternity. Religion is self perpetuating. If you get them when they're kids, they'll be awful abusing parents, and then their kids will grow up to be awful abusive parents, etc etc
heard this one on reddit a teacher was speaking to his pupils and says "pay attention to the world around you for god has placed everything in its place to teach you a lesson." one of his students asks "even the atheists?" the instructor says "yes even them" the student, confused, asks "what could god hope to teach us from them." the teacher says "god placed them to teach us about true compassion. see when an atheist preforms an act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world they are not doing it because of some religious teaching. the fact that he does this at all is because of an inner sense of morality. and look at the kindness they can bestow simply because he believes it to be right." he continues "so when someone reaches out to you for help do not say 'I will pray for you' instead pretend to be an atheist and say 'I will help you.'" not exact quotes bot close enough
@@waifu_png_pl6854 good deeds are good deeds if god denies entry because of what someone believes instead of what they do then that is not a god worth following
I don’t like the idea of being an invisible puppetmaster’s tool to teach someone else a lesson. This totally contradicts the “free will” argument as well. My life choices were made by me and for me. I don’t exist so that someone else can feel better about themselves.
One of the things I hate is just “we don’t need proof we have faith” like no, I have faith that a guy named blorblog the ancient is standing right next to me, i don’t need to see him, I have faith he’s there
Have faith in blorblog. If you do not accept him into your heart he will eat your dreams when you sleep until you inevitably die and get sent to blogland.
the virgin jesus wants you to believe in him smol muscles you could see him before he died gross crown of thorns vs the chad blorblog loves you no matter what you believe in jacked & lifts every day still alive & invisible sweet-ass shades
No. There are fundamental questions that need to be answered and many times the answers involve having to believe something. An atheist still must believe things about reality that must be taken on faith unless the atheist is willing to admit that they’ve explored every part of everything that exists. So your smoker analogy falls short since that’s comparing apples to oranges.
@@teachccd uh, care to elaborate so that what you've just said makes at least some sense? "An atheist still must believe things about reality that must be taken on faith"? That is wrong. Atheism is simple - lack of belief in gods. You can't make a lack of something a presence of something. So, randomnizer's analogy works pretty well.
@@elu9780 Of all the knowledge there is to be had in the universe, what percentage do you think you have? Maybe 1%? Let us be generous and say it is 10%. So in your 90% ignorance can you assert that there is no God? I would be inclined to say that such a person is an arrogant fool. I think agnostics are more honest, - "I don't think there is a God, but I don't know." "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Elu , exactly what Damon said. You must believe that something came from nothing. You must also believe that you know everything. What I wrote makes plenty of sense. You still have beliefs as an atheist. You don’t believe God exists but you believe in a whole lot of other things.
My favorite theist argument is that God is all knowing, all powerful, created everything, controls everything, knows the future of everything and at the same time is not responsible for our choices or where we go when we die. He’s suddenly helpless to prevent us from going to hell because “free will” lol.
@@omnitroph1501 free will is an illusion. Every decision is made entirely based on circumstances, be they genetic, based off of memory, or are the current situation.
@@omnitroph1501 but cause and effect is also true. Since nothing can happen without something causing it, there is no way anything could happen differently than how it has. I'm not saying destiny is real, because that would be stupid. But logically, unless its possible for something to spontaneously happen for no reason with no cause, then there's no way anything could ever happen differently. Everything you've ever done was determined by a combination of your situation and how you reacted to that situation, which was determined by a combination of personality, and also the situation itself effecting said personality (tiredness, emotion from the previous situation, stress, drunkenness etc.) Your personality is determined by two things, those being genetics (aggression is a genetic trait, and if course various genetic mental traits or disorders exist, and other stuff like that), and your experiences and memories, which have already been part of this process. And going back to science, I'd like to point out that as far as I am aware, there is nothing that is random. Even percentage based things like the positions of subatomic particles are because seeing them displaces them, so we have to guess where they are with statistics and not because they themselves are random. And finally even if the universe can have alterations, that doesn't change that you yourself go through the process mentioned above, and become a puppet to everything that's ever happened to you, the only instances of which you had control over being determined by you and therefore by your circumstances. Randomness in the universe wouldn't change your lack of true agency. Not that its bad. If you could really choose whatever you wanted you simply wouldn't want. Because you only want what you want because of your personality and situation. To have free will would mean having no personality, because its your personality that controls you, itself being determined by circumstance. Every action you do is meaningful because although you were guaranteed to be that way, if you weren't then you wouldn't be anyone. Of course, the issue is is that, its not people's fault when anything they do is done. Not that its good that they were done, but rather that punishing anyone for things should only be done if no other way of stopping such behaviour would work, so if a god is letting people be tormented because of things they had no real control over, then that's fucked up. Even murderers kill for a reason or combination thereof. And even if some of them are just messed up in the head and are born pure evil, its not their fault they were born pure evil. Not that I believe in evil, but you get my point. A psychopath doesn't choose ti be a psychopath. The only difference between Gandhi and Hitler is that they were born with different genetic traits, in different circumstances (time, place, the exact people and objects around them, how thise other people acted etc.) If you took their consciusnesses, erased everything all they're memories knowledge and traits, and them sent them back in time to be born in each other's bodies, and didn't change everything else, history wouldn't change. Once again I'm not saying Hitler was good or Gandhi was bad, but simply that none of them had choice in the matter because choice is impossible. The brain is a complex machine but it still follows rules. Even computers cannot create things that are truly random, only create the illusion of randomness. Our brains are no different.
Heaven ⭐⭐⬛⬛⬛ Top reviews: "Eh it's alright, I'll never see my family again, and none of my friends will be allowed in, but at least I can play basketball forever" ⭐⭐⭐⬛⬛ "No booze" ⭐⬛⬛⬛⬛ "Literally can't do anything, it's all banned because it's a 'sin'. We can't even use profanity!" ⭐⬛⬛⬛⬛
One of my acquaintances from high school said, with a straight face "What you think my kids are just going to grow wings?". The argument pretty much ended there, not because he won, but because I had no idea how to counter it without explaining the entire theory of evolution from scratch.
I think I could, it would take a while though. Maybe an hour or two of dedicated reasoning, albeit I do not have the exact information nor references ready. But the basics of it? Still, I can't say I blame you for not bothering with that.
Worst argument I've heard is just a simple proclamation that I'm going to Hell. No appeal to reason. No trying to explain how their deity is good and worth worshipping. Just that I'm going to be damned for eternity because I don't believe a storybook.
I always love that one, its basically conceding the argument. And it really pisses people off when you start laughing when they pull they hell card which for some reason they think is a big gun.
@God's Child Id love to know what a Bible base scientific evidences is, I've had clergymen admit there is no such thing so I'd love to have you show them different.
@2consider I've been listening all my life to Muslims, Christians and others. Not one of them can actually prove the basic tenant of their belief, that there is a god.
@@KisekiGamer1 Pi? It's complicated in that it's unending, but you can just summarize it as 3.14 for the vast majority of thing, and 3.14159 gives you even more degrees of accuracy for when it's necessary. same thing with the other letters meaning constant but continuing numbers. But the problem arises when I have to use that triangle bastard, sure it's a "letter", but come on, It's a triangle! It's a geometric shape!
Quran ad-dhariyat 47: We built the universe with ˹great˺ might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺. Quran al-anbya: Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart? And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? There is more scientific stuffs in Quran you can search
i recoiled when the one dude said "our universe of harmony and order" is he talking about the real universe or his religious one? because neither are in harmony and order
these people think god blessed humans with this amazing earth that suites them as they go to their suburban homes while there’s literally a second holocaust going on in china
Jewlz Cartagena Hahaha what.? Everything is in a constant state of increasing chaos. Our own bodies rebel and give us cancer. Babies are born with life crippling defects all the time. Our planet will be destroyed by us or we will kill ourselves off before that. Even if we were perfect, the sun is going to destroy the Earth eventually. Yeah, everything is perfect though.
Girl in video: "If theres a god,... omg, all the things I did in my past were horrible!" Me: "annnnddd, your solution was to convert and worship a god who has been a thousand, or a million times more horrible than you, throughout time? Sounds about right"
Mr. Meow right?! How can see claim te be a atheist and suddely released that see never thought about god? She wasnt an atheist she was just plain stupid.
"If theres a god,... omg, all the things I did in my past were horrible!" To put it simply, she bought Pascal's Wager. She was probably only an atheist because she was never introduced to religion. The moment she got a whiff, she immediately changed her ideals.
But how could she only think of ONE god, one religion? My brief crisis of faith (I am born and raised atheist) was in my teenage years, it was very short and went like this: What if the believers are correct??? Wait... believers of which religion though? How am I supposed to pick the *correct* and *true* one among all those that exist? And that's the story about how I stayed atheist.
"I don't know" isn't the same as "nothing." Why is that such a difficult concept for some people? Just because I don't know where the Universe came from doesn't mean I think it came from nothing. Also, can I mention that if someone joins a religion in traumatic circumstances, you can't exactly use them as evidence that the religion is rational. Human brains get hella mixed up in traumatic circumstances.
That's fine and all until you tell someone else they are incorrect for believing in any sort of explanation for the universe (or anything for that matter).
Because it means your argument against God is based on what you do not know. Whereas a theist's argument for God is based on what we do know scientifically, or is at least the scientific and philosophical consensus, which still puts you very much on the back foot.
If you don’t know then you’re not an atheist, maybe by definition but definition doesn’t define culture. Just like a lot social movements don’t represent what they claim. To be agnostic is to be unconvinced of any evidence of anything. Atheists *usually* claim they definitely believe there is absolutely no God or deities and all scripture is inherently false. It’s semantic labeling I know, but figured I’d explain what it sounds like if we’re to tell a theist that you are atheist.
“You either have a God who sends child rapists to rape children or you have a God who simply watches it and says, "When you're done, I'm going to punish you." If I could stop a person from raping a child, I would. That's the difference between me and your god.” - Tracie Harris
@@you-in5iy I mean, in the majority of cases today people describe or write about their God as an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent necessary being. If that kind of deity couldn't stop a person from raping a child, then it either doesn't exist or people are making up this being's properties.
@@you-in5iy If a "God" can't be bothered to save people despite being written as "omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent" then it doesn't have the right to be called one.
@@strangerr13 Paganism generally applies to religions that spawned out Nimrod's empire, it refers to non-Abrahamic religions, (often polytheistic however they don't need to be, Buddhism is pagan and is atheistic) originally the term used was Gentile however that became more a non-Jew culture then a general religious application.
“Athiests - They pull away when you say that their religion is a faith.” An athiest’s religion? If that’s not the most logically sound oxymoron I’ve ever heard, I don’t know what is.
Atheism, as theism, comes in many flavors. Some flavors of atheism have the features of a religion (website, group gropes, conferences, preachers, beliefs) See American Atheists.
my friend is very religious, and I'm not religious at all. sometimes they'll try to convert me by going on and on about religion. I was listening to their argument for hours but it got old after the first two arguments. and they're like "ok, tell me your side" and I'll say what I think is true and they'll say "nope, heard that before. say something else" over and over and over. like bro, how do you think I feel? edit: sorry this comment is worded horribly, i was feeling a lot of emotions at the time and im too lazy to change it now. but some good news for anyone who cares: i did leave those friends behind, for this and many other reasons. after i posted this comment, the religious ramblings continued, and i basically told them to shut the fuck up. i told them countless times before that i respect them as a person but i do not and WILL not believe in any high being, and i won't tolerate them trying to convert me any longer. but it was all useless in the end because i broke apart from the friend group a few months after. feeling a lot better now
I don't think that person is a good friend/actual friend. Either that, or he's missing a point, or it's someone else. If you still want to be a friend then sure, but I don't believe it's a good idea.
@@ssjcrafter8842 of course, someone must be bad just because they're trying to convert someone into a belief that's beautiful and absolutely harmless (sarcasm, fuck you)
Are you a bad person then? Only bad people fear the afterlife, cause otherwise you are just losing out on heaven. And not only you, but all your loved ones. Most Christians don't follow the teachings and rules out of fear of hell, but because they know it will lead to the most good and will make them most happy while here on earth.
@@dragonninja3655 goodness or badness of a person has nothing to do with going to heaven. The evil man who was being crucified next to Jesus , who committed evil asked jesus to spare him in his last moments. And so Jesus spared him , he said that he would be in heaven on the same day. Even the most vile creature can enter heaven as long as they say "allright I like you jesus" in their heart. Funny you don't even know your own scripture. Which also says that you should focus on your own evil , before you accuse someone of it,but you missed that part also. Eternal life isn't necessarily good in fact it is a scary concept. To be eternal must be really fking boring , would drive me insane, good luck going bonkers in heaven.
No, you just don't know what you are talking about. St. Dismas is a very different story. First of all, he was a thief, so who knows how bad his crime really was. Secondly, he was truly sorry and asked for forgiveness. Usually, a bad person who repents has to spend a lot of time in purgatory (which is like hell in a lot of ways, except once you make up for your sins and are purified you get to go to heaven). For St. Dismas, we don't know how severe his crime was or if stealing one thing was the only bad thing he ever did. And he died a horrifically painful death. Suffering on earth lessens your time in purgatory and he was able to ask Jesus for forgiveness face to face. There is also a debate (this isn't a for sure thing, no one knows for sure how it all works) that God doesn't really send anyone to hell, they choose to go to hell themselves, either because they are now free to see all the evil they've done and feel unworthy, or because they just hate God and would rather suffer than lower themselves before God. Lucifer chose to go against God after all, and he had perfect knowledge, he knew what his pride would cost him and he chose hell anyways. But as I said that is a debate people have. As for being a good person, yes, you want to be good person to help other people in life and help them get to heaven. A person CAN be evil until the last moment and if they TRULY repent, God might let them into heaven, but only after a long time in purgatory (which is like hell, except it's not forever, saints who have seen purgatory say the people there suffer, but are still happy because they know heaven comes after). But heaven and hell are just the justice at the end, those places aren't the reason you should act a certain way. Most Christians aren't afraid of going to hell (unless they do something really bad), they follow the rules because they love life, God, and other humans, and know that following the rules and teachings leads to the happiest lives for all people. You could throw heaven and hell out of the picture completely and you would still follow the same rules. And I agree with you, eternity scares me too. But so did adulthood when I was little. You just know God is wise and all-knowing and He loves us and He promises heaven is great. It's one of those things you can't understand until you get there. And it certainly beats hell, but as I said, most Christians don't really care about those as much as following the rules out of love of God and life and living good and happy lives that can spread to others. You really should know what you are talking about before you go throwing around silly accusations. And as for B McD, I never said he was evil. I asked if he was because if not, he had no reason to fear death. It was him who was implying he was evil and I was pointing out the flaw in his thinking by pointing out that he probably isn't.
I can see your comment in the notifications, but I can't see it here. I don't know if it's a TH-cam thing or if you deleted it, but either way, 1st century Rome isn't modern day America. If he stole from a Roman, that's a death penalty. In fact, if you were a Roman, you weren't even allowed to be crucified. Only non-Romans could be crucified and they weren't exactly what we'd call just be today's standards. They'd crucified people all the time. They drowned people in sacks filled with animals. If Dismas did something as simple as steal a Roman's sheep, that is the death penalty because he was not a Roman. Heck, maybe he only stole a loaf and bread and the Roman just really didn't like him for some reason so he managed to get him crucified. Jesus was crucified even after Pilate found him innocent after all. We don't know what Dismas's crime was beyond he was a thief.
3:00 "... this amazing universe of ours, of incomparable beauty, harmony and order ..." The universe, practically by definition, is incomparable. There is literally nothing else to which to compare it.
uh how about Abstract Objects, such as numbers? math in itself is Order and the fact that we can find mathematical equations in the universe is a clear piece of evidence that the universe in itself has order and fine tuning for life. every mainstream atheistic scientist openly admits that the universe appears to be fine tuned. they say appear though because they don't want to risk sounding like the universe needs a creator when it clearly does.
@@TheKyrix82 but the fact that it works means that those things in themselves needed a maker who has a mind similar to our own. the only thing that creates code or information is a mind that can put things in the correct order, so because we have that understanding that a mind is the only thing that has the ability to do that, we have to conclude that a mind is what put the universe in order. at a time when we believed the universe was eternal this wasn't a problem, since we had an unlimited amount of time and an infinite number of tries to get things right. but because our universe has been discovered as finite, we no longer have the luxury of saying order was created by random chance. 13 billion years is not enough time for the universe to be exactly the way it is, where if the slightly thing was off the whole thing would fall apart.
Sitting down and actually just reading a holy text by yourself tends to be the best way to leave your religion. I can't claim I know for all of them, just left Christianity that way. Church skips the 95% of the book where God carefully walks you through why slavery is a-ok, how to do it, and the like. Reading the Bible it's okay to skip over the full pages that just list off lineages, doesn't matter much 😅 but beyond that. Figuring out "whoops, been praying to a childish psychopath" by way of just reading is a solid step 1 for leaving. Christians don't really listen to their God thank goodness, but still, knowing all of it you need to be pretty dang morally bankrupt to stick around.
I once told a friend that if I ever had children I would raise them to be atheists. However if they were ever interested in going to church/doing church activities, I'd be happy to go with them. Then my friend told me I would "have to take my child to church for a while to give it the opportunity to 'get to know god' and make an informed decision". While I understand where she's coming from, I'd have to take my child to every church of every religion for them to make a really informed decision. And I won't force a child to attend (insert number of different religions) services.
Yes, I didn't take my kids to any church either and they are the healthiest most balanced people ever. They are completely free of religious superstitions nor are they scared of sin or hell.
@@dekuboidonut4552 as someone who has been indoctrinated with the concept of hell, sin and a divine dictator that sees all your thoughts. I can assure you it is not healthy. So it might not be the reason for them being emotional healthy individuals, but it sure as hell (pun intended) helped to not indoctrinate them with that nonsense.
i'm disabled and atheist. The number of times I have been told "if you just accept Jesus into your heart you will be healed" like "NO Karen, its a genetic issue. It cant be healed or fixed" Note: I wasn't diagnosed with my condition until I was in my 20's and I was an atheist long before then. My condition progresses and I am worse off now then before. so my health did not influence my beliefs.
Tbf i think most atheists don't engage with sophisticated religious thinkers and instead just watch videos like this that confirm their biases, or watch videos of dumb Christians. (Same with religious people, vice versa). Most people are super hesitant to really listen to arguments that go against a core element of their self image/tribal belief
Are you familiar with Cold Case Christianity? There's a website & various resources under that name, but IMHO, the book is the best. It's all from an atheist cold case homicide detective, who applied his evidence-based approach to determining truth from fiction...and as the title suggests, his belief in Christ comes from the evidence. Look up God's Not Dead--Courtroom Scene for a 5-minute intro for how carefully examined evidence leads to belief...and the book is much more thorough than 5 minutes could be.
During WWII my maternal grandfather served on a Destroyer Escort that hunted submarines in the Pacific and my paternal grandfather carried a flamethrower in Europe. Unlike the women in my family, they were never religious. They didn't say grace, our pray, and they never put a dime in the collection basket. They only attended church to appease their women. They both told me that when you understand how horrible the world can truly be, then you can understand that nothing benevolent ever designed it. It's easy to believe in God when you ignore all the suffering that he allows.
@@mpmh3 There's pedos in the mainstream, sure, but that isn't proof of any god. In fact, it's a better argument as to why there isn't a benevolent god.
Any argument for miracles. Then they just get mad when I point out the flaws. My roommate said it was a miracle when his aunt finally had a baby after like 5+ miscarriages. You dont need me to explain why that is wrong in so many ways. I point this out to him and he shut me out.
Trav Rad Good, I agree then. It would have been kinda a dick move if you had just turned him expressing excitement at his aunt not having a miscarriage into a debate about religion lol.
@@datfisheboi6519 I agree, that would be a dick move. I was upset at the same time that he praised his god for something that was clearly an evil, sidist act.
@@Acc_-rh8tx and @ Jamers 1217 Yeah but cmon, lets be real for a second here, don't both you guys think that most atheists are "glass half empty with a bad attitude" whiny complainers all around in a shitty religion themselves? I mean, God still made them but wow, are they not the epitome of ignorance? I am talking specifically about people who call themselves "atheists"......
@@Acc_-rh8tx From teachings of Christ, our free will to choose or reject Jesus is one of the keys to our lives, that's one of the reasons why Christians wanted liberty, to give themselves less excuses to ignore God and be held accountable for themselves. (ditto to those around them as well)
@@evolutionisbull5h1t No. Just like you don't need to see someone's brain to know they are smart, you don't need to know their religion or their beliefs to know their personality. The people you are talking about are just shitty people to me. There are shitty atheists, Muslims, Christians or just shitty people in general. At least to me
That's genuinely ignorant.. It's no more than an assumption that is implying all theist have no understanding of their religions.. If you're white and tell a black dude he doesn't know shit about being black he'll likely reply by saying you obviously know nothing...
@@Bigghewi OK... So, God creates 2 humans; Adam and Eve. Than they have 2 sons, Cain and Abel. Then Cain Kills Abel. So, how were all other humans created? Who slept with who in order to create them all? Why are there different races if all come from one and the same? Or, a guy builds a boat and puts all animals on it and then after watter pulls back, he taxis them back to each continent? Or maybe how God full of love and mercy sends a death to kill all first born sons, lamb's blood etc? Or maybe another religion, one founded by a warlord who married a six-year old girl and "consumed the marriage" when she was nine? The religion that states "why seek peace when you have the upper hand", calls for "holy war" and say it's OK to kill those who don't share your beliefs? C'mon...
@@ivanstepanovic1327 I'm familiar with the teachings of man, they made me atheist..The God of the old testament is a jealous, and vengeful God. The God if the new testament is a hippie.. Most people also think Jesus was the only son of Mary and Joseph. Islam and Catholicism are corrupt echoes of the Bible and Torah, which are but small shreds of truths filled with the contradictions of man. We still live the same as we did thousands of years ago.. Arguing economics, religion, and even the shape of the earth, while most are oblivious of truth.
@@ivanstepanovic1327 Adam and Eve had 3 sons, Cain, Able and Seth. Adam was the first named man on the planet, but not the first. On the sixth day, go created man and woman and gave them dominion over all he created(genesis 1:26 read up and down a little for context). On the seventh, he fished his work and rested (genesis 2:2 read down for more context). Part of that finishing was to create the garden of Eden and Adam and Eve. This is what the Vatican wants us to believe anyway. www.vatican.va/archive/bible/genesis/documents/bible_genesis_en.html. This of course is open to interpretation because the bible seems to skip around in time saying things like "before the rivers/plants (depending on version) sprung to life.. god gathered dust to make Adam. So it's a little fuzzy on whether Adam was created on day 7 or much earlier. The bible goes through so much direct time this happened, then this, then this, then this... But before maybe this happened or maybe not because something happened day 7 other than rest, which strongly implies gardening, but it happened on day 7 before water was added on day 1 or vegetation on day 2, so... It is that confusing if you actually read it. I simply call bullshit.
Oh and if you really want to screw with their belief, don't argue with them. Have them explain any of the common bible stories. The Flood is good, so is creation, doesn't really matter what, but something big so they are comfortable talking to you. Ask questions, but not ones meant to trip them up. Get them used to explaining but not defensive. So avoid asking how Noah built an Ark with his family needing 2 thousand man work years when those idiots made the Ark Experience with power tools and heavy equipment (yea that took 2 thousand man work years with modern technology).... Ask how he fed the animals, that's not too threatening, and let them off the hook with whatever they say. You want them to expect you to ask hard questions, but accept what they say so they are not threatened by those questions and are willing to help you understand. Then get something from Deuteronomy and have them explain that to you. (Deuteronomy is one of the books of the bible and the source for nearly all of the "god is a fucking asshole way worse than Hitler and Genghis Khan multiplied together" stories. Dashing infants into the rocks(throwing babies at the ground to kill them) is what god wants you to do... Go rape your neighbors daughter then kill her for being a whore... This book is fantastic for breaking beliefs if you can get someone to try to explain it).
My sister just told me the same thing about fairies, goblins, Nephilim and all sorts of her down the rabbit hole characters. It's sad how the delusion and bicameralism get worse. Maybe she'll work through it and come out atheist once every bit of bullshit is exhausted.
They're really just projecting their own insecurities on you. If their faith was as strong as they think it is, they wouldn't feel threatened by your atheism.
Tetsuron exactly. Anyone who has studied basic psychology will realize that when a believer threatens you with hell, it tells you that they have a fear of hell and they just assume that everyone else does as well. They project a whole lot as well. Whenever a believer tells me about their god, I realize that they are telling me about themselves rather than any diety. Nice people have a fairly nice god, and mean people have a mean god. Conservatives believe in the gun toting supply side Jesus, and Liberals often have a hippy dippy Jesus. Fortunately, in my spiritual journey my own personal Jesus turned out to be a sceptic and an atheist!
@@BrianGay57 What one believes in certainly does tell you the type of person they are; however, it does not change the fact that what they believe in *is what they believe in. The belief itself does not change.*
Yeah, I actually fucked up the original post; sorry, Drew. It's "Trying to talk to religious people about religion is like trying to teach English to a pig; it doesn't work AND you just wind up irritating the pig."
Well, thanks for insulting one of the greatest writers of the 19th and 20th centuries, for no fuckin' reason whatsoever. You're not EVEN funny. Great addition you made, thanks.
I had two Mormons at my door one hot summers day. I looked at them, them obviously being on the streets since sunrise and after they introduced themselves and the reason why they were at my door, I asked them if they would like to have a (non-alcoholic) beer and rest in the shade a little before anything else. They thanked me and I got them the cold ones, seating them on two garden chairs, so they could rest. I did a J and asked them if they were on the move all day, obvious smalltalk, that kinda stuff, nodding here and there, just being a chill dude. Told them, that their "job" sounded very exhausting and frustrating for everyone involved. They asked if I was interested in hearing about Jesus, I just said no and let them finish their beers before letting them continue on their quest elsewhere as soon as they seemed stable enough to carry on. I never met two people so releaved, yet so uncomfortable and awkward at the same time, but hell, being kind "for no reason" never felt THAT good. Maybe they thought I was the anti-christ, trying to challenge their faith by being chill, or they were just not used to hedens being nice to them. Seemed to be a shock to their system, but maybe I'm just looking into their odd behavior too deeply. You guys had any similar experiences?
You are welcome Drew! It's been my honor to be able to help this channel grow. I have been very pleased with the content both inquantity and especially in quality. I am condfident that you will take this channel to even greater heights. I plan on being a devoted fan for as long as this channel is around. I hope to eventually get to hear you speak in person. Alas, i will miss being a lord and savior. I have tried to get my employees to address me as such but they aren't buying it. Lol. Good luck!
@@damisaurus_rex the name really does say it all, but I'm part the internet that shames anime profile pictures., because I want the world to know that someone is enacting riteous judgement on the wicked.
As in By the way Sucker, your fanfiction sucks because buying a bottle of scented fluid is boring enough without it happening in "shit that never happened land", which is a place with a huge hate crime problem.
Maybe not the worst but the most annoyingly often repeated by my Christial friends: "Atheists refuse to believe in God, because if they had to believe, they would need to change their lives."
Not even close to true. Muslims made huge strides in the science of their day. As well as Indians, Mesopatamians...anywhere there was a major human civilization.
@@user-xe6kv6pw1s correct me if im wrong, but wasn't philosophy/ theology the first sciences and so that did not originate from Christianity, there are philosophers such as Confucius and laozi writing way before Christ. so surely science as a concept did not originate in Catholicism but rather Catholicism continued a long long line of philosophical and theological thought
Good for them but many atheist don't need that . For example I don't believe that my existence holds any meaning and I am okay with that , I don't need a meaning I create my own meaning .
I find comfort in the lack of religion. Religion was made because people wanted to believe in something, the find a meaning if everything. And that's okay, it's normal to want to understand, to believe in something. But I find comfort in the idea that life, existence, never had a meaning. It just is. It means I had a choice. I wasn't predestined by some higher entity to be the way I am. If my life never had meaning, it means I can chose my own meaning. The idea that I'm free to chose, has always been something that gave my life meaning. I am free to chose who I am, what I do. It was my choice, no one else's.
I know someone who is an atheist and wants to abolish religion but as an atheist myself I am aware that religion brings comfort to people who are genuinely kind and faithful, and taking this away is simply cruel and no different than religious people who force their beliefs down people throats. Point is, whether you're an atheist or a religious person it doesn't make you a better person than the other until you learn to be respectful to how people choose to live their life
@Bob Smith lol near death experiences. i wonder what shit your going to throw at me. but right before you die you release alot of chemicals in your body as a last ditch effort to survive, if you survive you might or might not get halucinations from those chemicals.
bob i wonder, what is your take on near death experiences of ppl related to different religions? what do you think, about muslims having experiences wich in pair with their religion, hindus see hindu gods, christians see jesus, and so on... different religions produce different near death experiences, therefor wich god or gods in your opinion?
oh, and bob... "...religion of atheism ...." clearly youre lazy to check what atheism is, or youre a liar. atheism is: theist: "there is a god." atheists: "can you proove it?" theist: "no" atheist: " i dont belive you then" would you mind to explain, where is the religion, where is the emotion, or the lacking of reason, logic and science? and you have the thick skin on your face to call other ppl morons, with your 80 IQ lol....
Yeah it’s funny when religious people take a moral high ground for being taught basic relationship skills as if we didn’t evolve to be raised by our parents for that very reason, to be taught the basics of empathy and human existence.
Odd thing with that argument is I've met more unpleasant theist people than atheist people, and this is coming from a christian, a lot of theists are just assholes who just use religion as an excuse to justify there own hateful opinions.
If a god is willing to prevent evil, but not able, then he is not omnipotent, If he is able, but not willing, then he must be malevolent If he is neither able or willing, then why call him a god? Why else do bad things happen to good people -Epicurus
I once told this to a theist and he just replied with “you are just assuming you can understand the nature and thought process of a god”, which I mean fair enough I guess but it’s a really cheap way out of that argument
@@hexcss9153 I like how they bang on and on about the nature of God when presented as a positive but when presented with a negative God becomes unknowable.
I heard of something that might actually make sense with him not stopping evil. The theory is that God is actually just neutral. Only here to keep the world from going into total chaos. Before you say 2020 is bad. Let's be honest here it could have been a lot worse. The war could have actually happened, we all could have suddenly turned into zombies, and we all could have suddenly died out of nowhere from a synchronized heart attack. He never actually fought for evil or good because it was what he wanted with the world in the end, he just fought for whichever side meant the world didn't you know become a dead land. Another theory is that God made the world and then left. Yeah as simple as it sounds. He created a new save file and just left the game on his laptop open for the rest of eternity.
@@seafoam8845 While plausible, that would go against what the Christians proclaim. Im an agnostic so I am kind of neutral in the matter. Still, one thing I am fairly certain, is that if there is a god, it is certainly not the Christian one
@@hexcss9153 Agreed, or at least this one. For all we know the "true" or oldest version of the Christian god is actually much different than this one. But yes I agree the current Christian god wouldn't be the god if there is one.
"If there’s no God, what created the universe?" "Well, if there’s a God, what created _it_ ?" "Huh? Nothing, God simply exists." "Then why wouldn’t it be the same for the universe?" I guess I could have that exchange if I was asked that. The only people I ever had a talk about religion were Jehova’s witnesses though, so I just kinda listened to their monologue about how Jesus is gonna save us and went "err, sure?"
I’ve always had trouble wrapping my head around either idea. That nothing begat everything. Or that something has always been. Neither idea seems to make much sense.
So the thing is with that idea is that we would need a fundamental understanding of what actually created the universe. Which we don't know, its the entire reason the Atheist vs Theist debate can even exist because we have no legitimate evidence for either. One could assume, that if you could prove the existence of God, you could find out or possibly just ASK how he came to be. If you can prove he doesn't exist... Well your god now, as you have a fundamental and irrefutable understanding of the laws of creation from its source and the universe as a whole. Either way, very impressive.
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BTW, even if all those theist arguments were true, that only proves there is "a" God. It doesn't prove the God from an ancient middle eastern book that hates gay people and shellfish was real.
@M K no they are saying that if the arguments where valid it would still not be that important because even if there are gods how are you sure it's your religion the one that is right? also the way you say "so i guess you are a theist" sounds as if there was something bad with that wich there is not as long ad they don't force their beliefs in anyone
God does not hate anyone. God hates our actions against him. He gave us free will, And he promised not to punish the people anymore,the Flood (Noah) was the last.
@@harkalyjonas what good is free will if you still need to give yourself up to him and do what his absurd ideologies and laws tell you? It makes no sense at all if he cared so much about it why not made people in a way that he knows won't sin because they are just good no control over them they just do what's good because it's good he is supossed to be allmigthy afther all
No one talks about the bad things theist did back in the old times where they destroy artifacts of the natives kill those who do not convert and so many more that are bad
Worst argument I have heard...."You know what made me want to become a Christian, I don't want to go to hell."... I could not believe he told me this. Believing in something out of fear is a very bad way to start an argument.
@@timq6224 Well, compare the life of Jesus, miracles, purpose and his teachings with the devastating legacy of Hitler. After this, I don't see any ground for discussion on who truly contributes to turn the world into a better place. Love one another as He loved us, love and be a blessing even to your enemies by focusing on what really matters and being truthful and honest even to yourself understanding God sees you even when nobody does.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
"I was interested in truth from the point of view of salvation just as much as in truth from the point of view of scientific certainty. It appeared to me that there were two paths to truth, and I decided to follow both of them." (Georges Lemaître)
Nice quote! Works very well from a Christian view and from an atheistis point of view. I am a Christian, but I also believe in science and evolution. "Coincidence is God's way of staying unonymous" ~ Albert Einstein
@@theegyptiangamer2530 -- Einstein was actually making a joke. He also emphatically stated that he never believed in God as a personal savior. And I quote "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
"You can't prove God doesn't exist!" It's sorta like "innocent until proven guilty." I'm not going to believe in god until you can prove he exists. I shouldn't have to prove he doesn't.
Ok, people, what's the worst argument someone has used to try to convert you?
For me it might have been, "You just deny God because it makes you feel better about being gay. Just go to conversion therapy and you'll be able to believe in god again." My wife would be shocked if that were the case.
read the bible
"But who made the universe?"
“You’re just angry at God”...it bothers me because they never say what I would be angry about. It feels like a personal attack on my character, appearance, or lifestyle.
Genetically Modified Skeptic mine is “it takes more faith to be an atheist”
Genetically Modified Skeptic there is much more nonsense coming from carnists like: “canines tho” or “plants feel pain tho” .... what’s your best defense of the animal products industry or the entire practice of killing animals for food ?? It’s clearly not the best thing for the experience of conscious creatures if that’s what we care about
There are two kinds of atheist:
1) Been there, done that.
2) How does anyone ever gets to believe this in the first place?
And I can say you fall to the second category... Me too bro
Parents
@@user-xe6kv6pw1s and the whole society
I’m number 1. Although I wasn’t a very extreme Christian as it was my granny who brought me to mass every Sunday and my parents weren’t bothered to go cuz I don’t think they had a strong belief.
@@NegativeAccelerate I am number 2, my parents are too, all of my friends are too, and many people I come across every day are number 2
if atheism is a religion, not collecting stickers is a hobby.
**[applause]**
Atheist is your word for us and yet you get it wrong. We do not worship immiterial creatures, practice magic, believe in revealed wisdom or concern ourselves with delusional notions of life after death. We do wish to work together and progress toward better outcomes through planning, cooperation, implementation, review, revision and correcting errors to modify the future in ways that surpass our individual abilities and lifespans in order to benefit untold generations. We refer to ourselves as secular. Thank you for your attention.
@@atheismkills3748 you're argument is "you can't disprove it so it must be true"lmao
@@pinheadlarry1977 What did Atheism Kills say? His comment is gone now
He was talking about how @daddy af can't disprove the after life
"I'll pray for you."
"Yeah I didn't get you anything either."
Isn't it strange how often they say that as a punishment or threat? Seriously, pray the crap out of yourself.
oh yes xD the passive aggressive condescending response
Yeah um good for you, I remember you and feel sorry for you at some point I guess.
@@an8strengthkobold360 If that's what makes you happy, knock yourself out.
@Lotte yeah that's, that's the point
The toughest question I got were "what if you're wrong?" I found out later that 10,000 religions exist worldwide and Christianity has 33.000 to 40,000 denominations, so any Christian has only a 1% chance of following the right religion.
Hmmm… How did you come up with the 1% chance?
that would make it WAYYYY lower than 1% chance but that's a point ig
@@coolio-46 they're a bit confused but they've got the spirit
Not all are created equal, after accepting that 99% have been started by heretics looking to justify their messed up personal beliefs, it becomes much easier to decide.
I just say "well I am going to hell, I guess"
If you don't believe in my invisible friend, my invisible enemy will torture you for Eternity.
Basically
@@dolfuny my invisible friend has another invisible frenemy who will do the torturing for my invisible friend.
That is really funny and really true!
That god comes across like a mobster, doesn't he?
(read in a Don-Corleone-voice): "Nice soul you have there. Shame if anything bad happened to it, wouldn't it? Better pray really, really hard..."
So then i give this question to any atheist who see's this.
Why dont you believe in God?
Now its hard for me to try to relate because when i use to be athiest, what changed me was seeing with my own eyes (probably most hated answer) and to try to explain to someone who has never seen anything spiritual is quiet hard because they cant relate.
And from my point of view, most times when i try to bring up questions to athiests, they have always ended up with, "IDK" eventually and that's also hard to fight too because "Idk" and pride go hand in hand.
It has been very rare for somebody to tell me "idk" and really consider why they dont know instead of saying "idk" and leave it at that because they dont understand. We all fall guilty of casting out anything and almost everything that doesnt agree with our understanding as stupid or non sense and that doesnt only apply with God.
We all have seen and believe in the work of God and have names for them that most people i know, believe. That's *Luck* , *Karma* , and *coincidence* .
These are the top three names that keep people from believing in God simply because they have a different name to them.
Now idk anybody who has been able to answer these and debunk them without starting with, "I dont know"
But all our life, we are told that we are limitless but the truth is that we are LIMITED. Both physically and mentally. How many times have you heard, "you can do anything if you just put your mind to it"? That's a root of pride.
Your understanding can only reach but so far and because most people believe that lie, when something comes to try our understanding of things, when we can only answer with "i dont know", that pride comes into play and we cast it off as stupid or non sense.
Now if you read this far, that shows me that you're willing to listen. And now i ask you, with all the theories that i come up with during our debate, if you can explain to me, or show me a video that debunks my theory, please do. But i do say, most times, when something seems like it debunks a theory, its because we havent seen the "debunking" being debunked because we stop when it seems like we're the victor.
So again i ask the question.
Why dont you believe in God??
“You’re just going through a phase.”
Yeah, my “atheism phase has lasted more than 63 years so far.😂
I- lol mate it's going to last a lifetime 😂 👍
Just trust me bro, it's just a phase. Another 60 years and you'll be believing in god
Edit: the joke is that he's at least 63 years old, so in 60 years he's gonna be at least 123, which means he's either gonna be real dead, so he can't believe anything, or in heaven so he'll believe in god.
I'm also an atheist please don't dunk on me
You've still got time.
@@MrMarco855 I still have a working brain, too, so I'm pretty sure I'll be staying an atheist.
LOL. Being serious tho, all these christians invalidating your lifetime experience like they know better than you, just shows why atheists doesn't listen to them.
"Just read the bible." I did, that's how I became an atheist.
Well there's way more religions out there
Unable to comprehend is the main reason that people leave the Church.
@@MrMarco855 Well that and the child molestation, obvious corruption of power, the violently stupid followers who attack whoever doesn't believe in a particular version of their master that lives in the clouds and generally being a moral pestilence to humanity.
@@macrussell78
Jesus is born on December 25th...and he died on a cross.
I can prove it...and I bet you run before I do....wanna play?
@@hangedman821 You already started off with something proven false but why? You seriously have nothing better to do with your time?
"Athiests hate God."
How can I hate someone who I think doesn't even exist?
Ever heard of antitheism?
@@drew506 This is a concept that actively works against religion, but this has nothing to do with the existence or nonexistence of God. An antitheist is always an atheist, but the atheist does not necessarily have to be an antitheist.
@@DeathKillingFile this is true. But in recent years, the two philosophies have started to overlap.
@@drew506 No. As I sayd. These are to differend concepts. Atheism is just the belief that there is no God. Antitheism is against the belief in God. Huge difference.
@@DeathKillingFile and yet atheists spend almost every moment saying how religion is retarded and the people who follow them are mindless idiots. Don’t believe me? Go to r/atheism.
“The Bible says XYZ...”
Me: Okay, what if I don’t believe the Bible is the infallible word of God and think it’s just a collection of stories written by men?
“Um...Well...Then there’s no helping you. Off to hell with you.”
Actually, if you doubt the Bible, have a talk with God about it. "The pure in heart will see God." An atheist cannot find God for the same reason a thief cannot find a police officer; we are born as rebellious God-haters. Yet, if you ask God to show you what is so great about knowing Christ, He will show you. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshiloh Alright, let's test that. As I'm typing this, I'm saying these exact words aloud:
God, show me what is so great about knowing Christ. Please, I want to know.
I'll report back on the results, but I'm holding little in the way of hope that I'll get anything meaningful.
@@kenshiloh Ok the bible isn't real and god doesn't exist, now what?
@@kenshiloh That's sweet, just like in Peter Pan. Ofc if he doesn't answer, that doesn't mean he's not real, it's just that you didn't believe hard enough, or didn't sprinkle enough fairy dust.
@@esbenm6544
God will answer every prayer!
Whether it’s obvious or not God will ALWAYS work it out!
And to say that prayer is like pixy dust is way out of perspective. Prayer is led by a relationship with God. All can pray, anywhere, any time, any reason, anything! That’s the beauty of it.
However, to compare it to pixy dust is assuming prayer is to gain something, in a sense. God is happy to listen to your request, but he may say no. If you ask God for a million dollars and expect it is very unfair.
Now, I am certain God will lead you to a relationship with Him with great joy! So, I ask that you pray with genuine want for a relationship with God, it will come.
Also, honest question: Do atheists that grew up atheist avoid God? Or are they genuinely trying to love God? Please help me understand your perspective better!
God bless!
"But what about Zeus and Ra and the godess of life and fertility? How can you be sure those don't exist but your god does?"
"No, those are fake gods. I'm talking about the real God."
Sure thing pal
What about the 3 god cards, Ravioli, Ham, and Urine?
The abrahamic God is more of a philosophic concept in modern day understanding rather than the ancient superhero characters that are called god's in other cultures. Even though we use the same word, they're pretty different ideas. You might be able to compare God with some Buddhist concepts of higher power, but at that point it's more just different attempts at describing something fundamental rather than one disproving another.
What makes you think all the other God's ar efake but the one that you first learned about and the first God you were told to worship is true? There's over 4k religions on this planet, and each one of them says that their God is real. If your God was real wouldn't you think way more people would change religions?
Stuff Poster What even is your argument?
@@andrewprahst2529 my point is that there are thousands of religion and each one makes the same points. "This is the one true religion" "Our God is the real God" "All other religions are fake" etc. If there was oen true religion, wouldn't there be a lot of people converting to it? Wouldn't there be physical evidence for the existence of the one true God? It's like giving 10 people an ice-cream, each person has a different flavor and each one says "This is the best ice-cream on the planet" and will refuse to think otherwise.
The worst argument i've heard was "you're actually a non-practicing catholic, there's no way out of the church!!!"
Culty
you know what they say..."once a catholic always a catholic". What they don't say, is they couldn't care less whether or not you believe or not. They just want you against God.
Culty is killing ex-believers (cf. Islam)
as someone coming from a catholic country I hate it so much! I'm not catholic and I never signed up for this, them forcing that identity onto me makes my blood boil. I got baptised without my consent as an infant and now there's no way to make the Church remove my personal data from their archives even if I apostate, they're literally above the law.
@@baizhuwaitingroom7057 i feel you, looks the same in my case, i'm Polish, baptised and raised catholic as a child simply because it's the default here, my family isn't even that religious
In the philipines its a lot worse even kids basically ridicule you for not the believing at a young age because that occured to me my friends literally prayed I would become a theist again basically Atheists there are a minority
Someone: “How can you look at trees and not believe in god?”
How. What. Trees? Yeah trees are cool. How do you look at the moon and not believe an invisible two-headed unicorn named Aria pulls it around Earth?
All while the Sun God Apollo pulls the Sun. XD
All while bill Wurtz is the god of music.
And a portal to a fantasy world doesn't exist?
This sounds like something I heard from the most recent JWs convention
That's called a straw man. it's when you take someone's argument and say they believe something they didn't say or imply. It's a logical fallacy.
The worst argument is “you’re just angry with god and secretly believe in him”. This statement automatically discredits itself. If you don’t actually believe in god, hearing someone say this shows that they are factually incorrect, they’re trying to convince you of your own thoughts.
I've been told that a few times.
My response is, "Which god?"
@@Hariester
Why would I say that though?
Him? Her? It? Them?
They're accusing me of hating something, and I'm trying to get them to see that I have no idea whatsoever which something they're talking about. There are thousands of the things, apparently.
I don't know if I hate their god because, at this point, I don't know for certain whether I've even *_heard_* of the one they're talking about.
It's like someone saying, "You hate food because you don't eat it even though you secretly like how it tastes!"
Which food? I don't know which one they're talking about.
@@stickiedmin6508 let's be honest here. If they say "him" then it's 99% Abrahamic god. And that it's fictional character doesn't mean that you wouldn't hate it. There's many fictional characters that I honestly hate.
I usually call them out for heresy when they try that. After all, how else would they know my thoughts and beliefs better than me if they werent witches or servants of the devil in some way? Most of the time they shut up lol.
@@Rhaenarys
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Sneaky!
"Is atheism a religion?" - "Is 'by foot' a car brand?"
1. Atheism is a religion. Any time you have an "ism" it is a religion if you broaden the definition a bit (ie, contains dogma, advocacy, does battle with opposing viewpoints). 2. It might be.
@@thomasmaughan4798 So if you don't have a car, you DO have one?
@@jackmatthewtyson If I don't have a car, then I don't have a car, but I might still have "one" depending on what is being enumerated. There is no law to prevent a car brand "By Foot" which would be interesting, somewhat like the Chevy Nova (No Go!)
@@thomasmaughan4798 So if you have no interest in football and never played football and you never will, you are a footballplayer of a team existing from people who don't play football?
@@jackmatthewtyson Yes, something like that. A team that is not a team; where members that have no knowledge of other team members nevertheless speak for the team. When I was in the Navy one of my co-workers decided to form a club. It had no officers, but in order to be a club it had to have officers. So there was a Non-President, a Non-Treasurer and a Non-Charter that defined many things we did not do.
You also forgot "the devil is inside you"
Streaks gonne go to Court and claim the devil violated me.
Lets see how it holds up
A Christian girl once told me that. I unzipped my pants and she swallowed that devil 😛
lol someone told me that in this comment section
LOL, my dad legit wanted to take me to an exorcist. I wish i was joking.
@@ismt9390 lol you should of accepted, then after the exorsism just ssy your still an atheist, what is he gonna do now?
The most annoying to me is older people who say "When you're my age, you'll feel the presence of god".
Thats the truth, i was an atheist but then i came out of the ignorance and realised im just a limited finite being that needs the infinite God
@@bharatyaswaraj5641 But personal experience is not an argument for the existence of any god.
The ones who are afraid of death. And just want an easy answer, to feel better.
Did I say lazy?
@@arthurtfm yes that can be only understood by experience so when you are your grandfather's age you would have experienced much more than you have experienced now
@@bharatyaswaraj5641 You're just afraid of death.
"God could clear a lot of shit up with a five minute press conference." -Louis C.K.
He left a much longer press conference for everyone in the Bible. How many would say it wasn't really God,. it was a trick by theists?
@@MrMarco855 the Bible was written by people, not God.
technically but then he would be encroaching on our free will
Edit: I was wrong here. But he already came down and told everyone, that's what the new testament is about.
@@MrMarco855 that would matter if the bible was written by him and not just a bunch of dudes making shit up lol.
@@volcryndarkstar If the CEO of a corporation has his secretary take down a letter, who is the author of the letter,... the CEO or the secretary? Pay attention and you'll learn something.
"Atheists hate God. " How can you hate something we don't believe exists. It would be like stating those who do believe in God hate the tooth fairy.
I, as an atheist, DO hate god. The mere concept of it. If there WAS a god (which I am quite happy there isn't) he was our worst enemy by definition. If there is a LORD, then WE are his subject. If there is a master, we are slaves. If GOD is anything good, WE are everything bad. Yes, one can hate someone else he does not believe to exist. Like Ramsay Bolton*.
*chosen that one, because just like the biblical god, he's a fictional antagonist from a written story. And comparing those two by their deeds, I'd rather meet Ramsay.
@@rumpelstilzz *You* hate a god. Atheists as a whole do not. But that's one of the problems, atheists are a very heterogenous group, any generalist statement outside of the obvious "They don't believe in gods" is unlikely to be accurate.
Good comment! Its funny and you have a good point!
They're confusing atheism with misotheism.
Ok my not believing God exist came after hating
Atheism is not a religion. Just as bald isn't a hair colour.
Religion is a belief just as Atheism is a belief ergo Atheism in itself is a form a religion. To say otherwise is to believe in nothing.
@@andrewsealey2236 Atheism is a lack of belief in one concept. I don't believe in aliens, is that a religion too?
@@andrewsealey2236 the clue is in the noun 'theism' I.e. belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe.
I am a naturalist, I don't believe in anything supernatural. If alien life exists, it (they) will follow the natural laws of the universe. Scientific principles and laws will apply. They may be so far advanced as to appear 'godlike' to the theists. Who, let's be honest, only 250 years ago, burnt amateur midwives as 'witches'.
@@xxreidxx2362 I classify myself as an agnostic humanist. An agnostic believes 'human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist'. Humanism which is a ' life stance that embraces human reason, secular ethics, and philosophical naturalism while specifically rejecting religious dogma, supernaturalism, and superstition as the basis of morality and decision making' I may at some stage or another find irrefutable evidence to change this view either way and will inevitably lead to a evidence based belief that nether religion or atheism cannot satisfy.
@@leowulf5280 What would you define 'Scientology' as. Although I don't subscribe to beliefs it is accepted as a religious movement. Any belief that believes in some higher order way or another can be, regarded as a religious belief. Why would it nor be considered to be acceptable to have a belief in aliens as a following a some form of higher order. Even Nazism can be construed as a religion especially with its fascination with the occult. In a modern twist American republicanism could also be considered an religion based on some of the beliefs they align themselves with.
All I want to know is why it’s so crucial to believe in something bigger than ourselves. Why do so many people need to be reassured of their worth, and to believe they are an important part of the world we live in. We are insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but that’s okay. I’m just happy that I was born into this world and that I can spend the time I was given with the people I love, that’s all I need to know that my life has a purpose.
My thoughts exactly. Thank you for putting it so eloquently.
yes exactly!!, there's this one argument that christians use against atheists that 'you can't prove that God does not exist' but they don't understand that lack of solid and observable evidence is actually the proof of his absence at least in SCIENTIFIC LOGIC
@Localhost83 yeah i know and that's why i said "AT LEAST IN SCIENTIFIC LOGIC". lack of solid evidence and observable evidence of a claimed character means it does not exist until solid and observable evidences are provided.
It's pretty much the same thing christians mean when they tell you to prove the non-existent, "'"just because I can't prove doesn't mean he exists"'" and so they conclude that 'UNTIL YOU PROVE THAT HE DOESN'T EXIST THEN HE EXISTS' you get my point now?🙂
I think it's because if we accept that nothing matters, it means that good and evil are equivalent in the eyes of nature, and that's pretty hard to stomach.
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As a theist, I so appreciate the tone of your videos. Clear, concise, and empathetic. Many theist TH-camrs could take a lesson from you.
As an atheist I appreciate the tone of your comment.
As an atheist, pog
As a Christian, I hope the people he criticize realize his existence.
Although im against religion (unless it's not influencing as much as it now and is a choice) i do respect the people who follow it.
I've talked with some theists and some constantly made excuses (i showed bible verses which are disturbing in nature from the old testament from non censored bible versions) and other said although they don't fully believe in the bible that the Faith in god gave them rest they need. Which i can understand since the world can be stressful for people.
I think religion can help people but it shouldn't be forced and shouldn't influence area's of society which the future relies on. (science, education, law, government, politics and so on).
I don't think the majority of religions people these days are bad, they just choose to follow it and use it actually make themselves better and live free.
@@galactorsus_i.n.c Read Paul Copan’s Book, “Is God a Moral Monster.” It may answer some questions.
“Atheists believe the world came out of nothing.” Wrong. We’re just willing to admit we don’t know where it came from and that we are not convinced by the explanations offered by a century-old work of literature. We keep exploring. That’s all. Simple.
Interesting how you speak for all atheists.
Are there not atheists who believe in a universe from nothing? Clearly you don't, but atheism being the non-religion that it is should have a diverse set of viewpoints, right?
So if you admit you don't know where it comes from why do u act as if God is not a possibility???? You don't have proof he does not exist.
@@stevemswendy86 What about mega anti god? Equally valid.
Anti god punishes everyone who just follows orders from god.
Prove he doesn't exist. That's the problem with that point.
Ad now we haven't even addressed super ultra anti god, don't get me started with that fella, very unpleasant. He wants you to drink nothing but pickle juice. Or else you will be boiled in it in the eternal afterlife that can't be proven.
@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece anti God is the devil.
Hell's existence makes sense. If a judge here on Earth was to let a criminal go that committed grand theft auto he would be looked as an unjust judge not a righteous judge. Adolf Hitler killed millions of Jews because they were Jewish and then offed himself. Tell me where is the Justice for those people. Sin should be punished. God came in form of man to redeem mankind back to himself and die for the sins of the world. What makes a person miss heaven is not believing in the only one that died for the sins if the world. His name is Jesus. Everybody has sinned except Jesus because he was God in man. If you want to know what God is like it's in the person of Jesus. People need a savior. Can't be justified without him.
That woman who talked about her fear of death, I sympathise. I grew up in a religious family and never really believed beyond vague ideas. I started to really think about religion and question in my pre-teens/early teens, but my fear of death eventually pushed me to get baptised in my late teens. It was really more of a Pascal’s wager situation if I’m honest and, in the end, rational thought won out anyway.
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Fear of dead has a HUGE impact on human mind and society. Like- it is why we put ourselves in wooden boxes after we die.
Or you could accept that everyone dies and there's nothing you can do about that, beyond trying to extend your life as much as you can, but you may still be hit by a bus or have an unexplained brain aneurysm tomorrow, so you may as well stop fearing it and go about the business of enjoying what life you have, especially with no smidgeon of proof of souls or an afterlife.
I completely agree. Honestly, that's the reason I want all people to become atheists, so they fear death, so we all can work together to make all people's lives better and longer. I think we would advance much much faster than we're doing right now
@@NuSuntRaresh
I am very skeptical how much anything would change if all people became atheists.
"Just read the bible and you'll see it's true"
Me: "Someone wrote Lord of the Rings too, so that must be real too"
"No, those are just books"
i swear that Lord of the Rings argument is so silly. LOTR has never foretold future events, nor has it ever told history or spoke of scientific understands that we're only recently finding out to be true through modern scientific testing. yes they are both books, but one is fantasy (LOTR) while the other is a Biography. Yeshua Ben Elohim (Jesus) was an actual person, as was King David, Solomon, Isaiah, and everyone else mentioned in The Book.
@@brooklynvlogs9396 But there's war in LOTR, it predicted war in real life. What did your "biography" predict?
What about the transplants technically depicted in Frankenstein?
What about credit cards in Looking Backwards?
The nuclear-esk hand grenade in The World Set Free?
And wow, things like fictional movies and games (and books too) also can include people that actually exist or existed. What does that have to do with anything?
@@thederogativeworld yeah nit picking doesn't work for this argument, oh the main character was short with dark hair and my cousin is short with dark hair therefore he is Frodo! not a good argument.
and just to name one Jesus predicted that the world will eventually legalized all forms of Lust, Homosexuality is legal and soon the legal age of consent will be drastically lowered, in California they're already treating it as a gender/sexual preference, after that bestiality will become legal.
and it has everything to do with it because you were comparing The Bible to Lord of The rings and now your changing your argument of full fantasy to semi fantasy.
@@brooklynvlogs9396 Guess what, it's still fantasy! There's also a clear difference between me using fiction with some realistic elements to show scientific predictions, and entirely fictional mediums to show real people in fake works. Oh, and please tell me how Wolfenstein 2 is "semi fiction."
Also you clearly missed the sarcasm in that first sentence. It was never intended to be an actual argument, it's too absurd. Just like your arguments.
As well as none of those things you said your book "predicted" being, what was it? Ah yes "scientific understands that we've only recently finding out to be true through modern scientific testing." Where are the scientific breakthroughs? Cause those examples look like social changes that ENTIRELY depend on feelings/emotion and can easily change, and thus mean absolutely nothing as "predictions"
@@thederogativeworld um no the Bible talks about Relativity, Atoms, explains to us that the earth is round at a time when people thought it was flat, and plantly of other stuff.
But I'd like to know why you think The Bible is semi fantasy, tell me some of the stuff you think is fantasy, cause it's certainly possible that you misunderstand it.
“Even if He sent down angels, they would still refused God’s existence”
Yeah, because God didn’t come down, angels did
This is also such a stupid argument,
Because people can just say:
"If it ever happens I'll call you immediately"
And move on with their lives.
And I bet if an angel visited you you'd deny its existence and call it an alien.
Aliens are far more likely to exist than god.
@@rishnix most likely. like daniel said, I'm way more inclined to believe in aliens that god
You are IN God. You may have had enough shitty converters if you think God is Skydaddy.
“The fact that there’s a highway to hell and only a stairway to heaven says a lot about how many people they’re expecting
And how god treats disabled people in wheelchairs.
Honestly Christianity makes me want to go to Hell instead of heaven with those egotistical self-important brats
@@pauliusmscichauskas558 lol. I guess we can add "people in wheelchairs" to the list of people not allowed into heaven.
Along with any man who's had his genitals damaged (which is kind of ironic because God also demands circumcision).
Wow... God really is an able-ist, isn't he?
Freezeburn 98 how are Christians egotistical? Your language just shows how hypocritical and base you are trying to fight something you’re guilty of
Henry Martins cause you all think you’re important enough to decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell
As a Christian, I don't understand why other Christians shame atheist, didn't the bible said to spread love and not hatred. Showing hatred is a way of deglorifying God, by showing hatred towards atheist, others will view that this religion is full of hypocrites, unloving people, which in turn pushes atheist away rather than making them closer towards God.
My whole point is showing hatred will not help people go towards God. Because the main goal is to pull others towards God through love.
Same man,I'm gonna comment about this also,I'm a Christian and I don't blame why other atheist hate some Christians because some Christians force our religion to other people instead of spreading love to all people as that Jesus wants us to do,stay safe always and God bless
Im not Christian and I am so glad to have you saying that, truly, it makes me feel really better
I'm pretty sure in the bible there is a saying called "the path was before the bible" or something(rough translation, not American nor English) which basically means "being a good person is more important then being religious"
Then again, the bible changes between religions, even if they're about the same god and the same thing...
@@ssjcrafter8842 it's not the religion or God is the problem,it's the community, that's all stay safe always and God bless!
@@kurtzipagan6704 1) I know, that's what I tried to say, sorry if you misunderstood
2) I still don't believe in god but thanks
I tried to prove the Bible was true. That's how I became an atheist
That's interesting actually.
Generally if you want to know if a belief is true, a somewhat effective method is to try everything you can to prove yourself wrong, and if that fails, you're probably right.
(If x is false, y result will probably occur > y does not occur > x is probably not false).
I listened to a lot of pastors at a LOT of bible studies, then I kept having even more questions, because they sure have a lot of interpretations of the same thing. Like in Genesis, one guy says there were people before Adam and Eve, but they were like prototype kind of people. ??? One guy says Jews won't go to hell even if they don't accept Christ, because God favors them, one guys says all people will go to hell if they don't accept Jesus, one lady pastor says once saved always saved, another says, you can lose your salvation after being saved, same guy has a play that shows someone smoking cigs and going to hell. Some people say women can preach, some say no, it's against the Bible. WTF! And this is all in the same protestant sect. I'm like WTF is wrong with this.
I eventually became an atheist, ironically, because I was a fan of Greek mythology as a kid.
The first hint that something smelled fishy was when I read about how the sons of Poseidon could walk on water.
Basically, the children of each Greek god inherit a specific innate superpower, kind of like the X-Men. Water-walking for the sons of Poseidon, super strength for the sons of Zeus, etc.
Secondary powers required divine intervention. The sons of Poseidon needed to yell for daddy if they wanted to _breathe_ water. And the sons of Zeus had to ask their daddy for a lightning strike.
And then I thought about how Jesus supposedly walked on water, and I imagined a conversation where the Christian was being told about the powers of the sons of Poseidon, and countered with "Uh, our guy could do that too!"
"My god is bigger than your god."
That was when the leak sprung that gradually let all of my faith dribble out of the tank.
Story of my life
@@EEE-kg3vy I read stuff about evolution and its just bonkers. At the time, it was used to explain how Africans were more closely related to monkeys on the humanoid evolutionary spectrum and lead to some serious racist stuff like human zoos! And thats why I am a Christian, because the way the way the bible depicts the creation of humans is far more easier for me to understand and far less racist for that matter. Science is all about looking at the possibilities rather than caging ourselves with facts. Because facts can always be disproven in the next thirty or forty years. I mean, look at freakin Einstein! He opened up a whole new way of looking at reality and that was because he was always looking at possiblities.
"You can't prove god doesn't exist." - Always so funny because they can't prove god does exist either. Why potentially waste thousands of hours of your life going to church, praying and discussing religion if there's a good chance it's completely pointless.
People have widely accepted that the burden of proof is on those making the claim (i.e. you don’t have to prove you aren’t a criminal), so anyone making this argument in an attempt to convert others really is stupid. On the other hand people go to church for psychological reasons, usually it’s a way to seek comfort which is a rather strong insensitive.
Pretty much Devil’s proof. Of course I always lean toward the more logical side. Though we can’t prove the existence of gods, science has came pretty far and debunked a lot of his stories and the Bible. I’m not saying I hate religion and Christianity/god, I’m just saying the Bible is a really sketchy book.
Honestly a lot of people simply believe in it for the sense of comfort that it could bring and how it might actually improve their life. One of my real life experiences is how my uncle was actually a horrible drug abuser until he found religion and after a year and a few months he was a completely different person. May not be real but at least it provides proper comfort to those In need
Not only that but there is no greater probability of one god’s existence as opposed to any other. There are thousands of gods. In the absence of any empirical proof, what makes one god’s existence more likely than the thousands of others?
@@devilsadvocacy Completely agree. Who's to say the ancient religions that had gods for the sun, moon, sea etc weren't correct? Or any of the many religions in India? People believe their religion so fervently but the only reason the vast majority of people follow their religion is because they were born into a family/town that brainwashed them as a child.
Wait, isn't it common practice for cults to indoctrinate followers who are going through a rough patch? 🤔
Yep! They love those who are vulnerable. The way a hyena loves a zebra carcass.
What’s funny is every church I know has gotten new followers that are down in a rough patch desperate for anything to help their misery, the human psyche does anything it can to get comfortable.
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That’s one of the reasons why I feel most religions are just larger, more accepted cults
@@monsterbros1882 they are, they’ve just been normalized by society due to being around for thousands of years
I mean the dude isn't wrong, if I would suddenly see angels I would definitely question my mental health and not my atheism
loo
I'd act like Scrooge when he saw Marley's ghost at his house. Probably some indigestion.
Sane
Same
@@CarlaCavenagui lmao this typo is funny in the context of the original comment
I cringe at the "atheists believe that everything came from nothing", since its The theist belief about god.
@Alec Chaidez exactly that's why it doesnt make sebse
Alec Chaidez you just explained the lunacy yourself lol. why can’t the universe be eternal? makes more sense than it being spawned by an eternal being, because beings have to be made. rocks are just there
Alec Chaidez ok, then who made god
Alec Chaidez that’s not ‘literally the only way it could make sense’, if god could exist infinitely why can’t matter? that makes way more sense, plus, we can see matter. it can’t be created or destroyed so maybe it just is why does some human figure from an old book have to be the creator? why weren’t the egyptians right, they were first after all. we are not special, we are just organic matter, a factor of the universe. no one made rocks for us, unlike coke bottles which have an obvious function, we just made use of rocks to form tools.
Alec Chaidez I’m not doubting a man who bore that names existence as, you are right, there are multiple historical accounts, however none state any sort of supernatural occurrences. He was likely just a preacher, which doesn’t prove anything
My favorite phrase someone has used to try and argue with me was: “You can’t prove God doesn’t exist.”
It’s so simple, but it’s amazing because I always get to clap back with: “You can’t prove God does.”
@@markwitcombe2119 So why is it our responsibility to provide evidence for you? We don’t think he exists, why would we believe anything that you say comes out of his mouth?
Also, you can’t cite the Bible dude, there is zero evidence that it was actually a truthful story, and even less evidence that your God wrote it.
@@markwitcombe2119 …
Okay, and? You haven’t proven anything.
@@markwitcombe2119 athiests typically do not assert there is no god. the one who asserts there is a god carries the burden of proof.
*Once you discover that The Great and Powerful Wizard of Oz is actually only a little man pushing buttons and pulling levers behind a curtain..., you just can't go back to believing it was real...*
Or... Once you've been pulled out of the Matrix and shown "what the Matrix is" you can never go back to believing that it's anything other than a computer simulation
#TheraminTrees: The magic trick, once explained, can no longer deceive.
one of the best analogies
And once you figure out that people who want to convince you anything goes want to profit from the collapse of society, then you won't believe their atheist lies any longer.
@@coopergates9680 *sleight of hand enters the chat*
how many of these people who were atheist and then started wondering "is there a god?" thought about ancient gods like zeus, osiris, odin, ereshkigal etc. instead of gods worshiped in their community/family/surroundings?
Are you saying that you DON'T worship the one true god Osiris!!!
Blasphemer!!!
Kill the heretic!!!
I find those gods more believable
ShadinCore God is not gods. The comparison is inadequate; you might be skeptical of both God and gods, but they're very different concepts.
@@mordec1016 they're not tho. Most gods are part of one single form of energy or various manifestations of a single god
sarasthoughts that would be a theory/view regarding gods and trying to connect them to God; it presupposes that they are different concepts. The very fact that someone might take gods to be manifestations of God shows that God and gods are not identical concepts. And they're not; any study or reading of theistic religious or philosophical traditions can show this.
“Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to.” - Epictetus
It's the latter of the two.
@@kierangorman3052 then why would you follow a god that doesn't take a stand against evil?
@@sh4dy832 I don't follow Him. I'm spiritual but I'm not religious so I don't carry the belief that God is all good or all evil. I think of God as being a more neutral creator figure, worthy of neither worship nor hatred. I think of God as being fundamentally opposed to organised religion and the idea of defining any one thing as objectively good or evil would be against how I perceive God. And so as God is neither good nor evil, why would He prevent or make happen any specific thing?
@@kierangorman3052 so man invented the concept of good and evil?
@@royanque8374 Essentially, yes. However, I would phrase it more as that we defined the things that we are naturally repulsed by as evil as a logical response to our emotions.
I believe that ‘God’, or whatever you want to call it/Him, wants us to figure what is good and evil for ourselves. Many religious people say that evil exists because of free will and that we require free will to be truly good otherwise we would simply be slaves of God doing what He told us was good but not understanding the concept of good. I sort of agree myself but I don’t think that God has any specific definition of good laid out for us and so we have the free will to both DO GOOD as well as DEFINE GOOD.
Miracles where actually the first thing that made me doubt religion when i was like 7 or 8.
"Why doesn't god create miracles anymore?"
See the youtube channel inspired philosophy, he has produced a video on "miracles".
He actually does, Jesus does that trough believers, it’s like he wants to show u he's real (but ofc also so u don’t have to live in pain). Search for Tom Loud and Todd White in YT, what they did is not edited and can be done by any believer.
brazzy_yt_ prove god or jesus or whoever does miracles
NorMinPontu Search Tom Loud or Todd White street healings in YT.
NorMinPontu just say: ,,Jesus if ur real, reveal urself to me (amen)”. Pls just do it.
A Theist to Atheist: "Wait,you HAVE to believe in something in life!" The Atheist:" Sure.I believe in Myself". That's me.Thanks for the video!
When somebody tries to tell me I have to believe in something, I ask them to prove it. So far, nobody has ever managed to do that.
I believe in science. I believe in empathy and having compassion for one another. I believe that, no matter what else, doing good for others is its own reward.
I said the same thing to my mother xD
@@cryofpaine
Well said! I have no hate for theists, at all
I believe in my own things, my own "religion", no need for a preset God that I don't fully buy for me
Atheism isn't a religion, and neither is theism. They are simply the belief or lack of belief of a higher being or beings. Theists just don't get that.
That is literally the definition of a religion,a belief in a higher being
I'm not adherent to the idea that there could be higher beings, after all, we can't know, but I'm atheist because I can't accept the contradictions in most religion.
@@ricraftz76 The belief itself isn't a religion, a religion is the organized practice of said belief in any form.
I Know right!
@@ricraftz76 Believing on a higher power doesn't necessarily mean you're a member of a religion.
Christian here, 100% agree, keep spittin' man, proper critique and discourse have become a lost art
@1111 fungus Why the hell not Mr. Elitist?
@1111 fungus You seem like the dumb one.
@1111 fungus Beacause they want to challenge their own belief respectfully (sorry for bad english)
@1111 fungus Oh sorry for assuming
@1111 fungus I’m a theist and I watch this guy to challenge my faith and learn more about how atheists see things.
You forgot, “I’ll pray for you.”
Thanks, but no thanks.
I hate it when my mother says this.
It hurts
Random - Or, “You’re an atheist? Haha, look who’s going to hell”
Fine you can pray for me . . . I'll think for you.
@platinaire - why would you not want prayer? I find it interesting that some atheists are bothered by prayer.
@schneidy81 For the same reason I don't want people beheading chickens and dancing around in their blood, or any other silly superstition that takes the place of actually doing something useful.
Anyone who says, "soften my heart," is automatically suspected of being a believer already.
Yeah most of these "i was an atheist videos" are from obvious liars... they speak in this very weird fake schizoid speech pattern that only religious people seem to have .
+Greg. I agree, because brainwashed people really tend to have the view that the goal justifies the means. Just take a look at who they vote for in USA.
It's code for "I felt really bad and wanted to believe and believing made me feel better". Good for them. Unfortunately a comforting lie is still a lie.
Lobos222, not all of us vote for idiots, and more and more are figuring out that voting for idiots is a bad idea.
What she really means is to soften her head.
as an atheist who grew up in a semi-strict, mostly-relaxed christian-religious setting, not all theists are over imposing of their beliefs, I would consider myself lucky on that front. I was free to choose my path, but I know others are not so lucky, and I send good vibes to those in hopes that things get better.
One time i saw a bumpersticker that said "I met god and shes black" and i suffered from so many emotions at once
Arschgeiger “ *she’s* “
Amy Xoxo I’m gonna be completely honest with you, I have know idea why I made that comment, I hate grammar nazis and I wouldn’t usually do that. So maybe it was a troll, but it was so irrelevant that I didn’t care to remember it, maybe you shouldn’t either.
@@matthewplayspiano7053 "no idea"
The driver was a social justice warrior.
I mean, considering humans were apparently made in God's image and the common ancestor of all living humans is a woman from Africa...
I think you secretly do believe in Santa Claus. You only reject him because you wanna be naughty.
Hahahahahaha
And what if I do wanna be naughty? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Isomer Mashups Then you shall get COAL IN YOUR STOCKING FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@GameArchon215 Thanks, now I can cook my Turkey.
@Keylanos Lokj I honestly never think about god, that's something that doesn't bother me. Its much easier santa to exist than god. There could actually be someone very rich who helped the poor every year.
You are missing the point. Theists aren't trying to convert you, they're trying to stop themselves from deconverting.
Nicely put
krillin6 This is exactly the conclusion I have come to. Apologetics was never intended for converting non-believers. It is a defense mechanism designed to help doubting believers, and hence need not be all that convincing. It’s target audience “wants” to believe.
They use childhood indoctrination, and love bombing people who are down and out for proselytizing quite effectively.
Believers think that apologetics arguments are quite convincing because they already want to believe.
Faith seems to be a leaky bucket they need it to topped up continuously
Theists have good intentions behind converting reason being they want you to be save.
I always think of 'converting' to atheism as 'waking up'. Enlightenment, as others would call it. And who the hell wants to go back into the dark once they come out of it?
As someone who has never believed, I spent the first 21 years of my life in a very Christian area of the Midwest. My parents did not put me through childhood indoctrination, which brings forth the superstition, fear, and guilt essential for dogmatic belief.
However, these Christians blew their chance at reaching me when I was young. It was found out by other kids in first grade that I did not believe, and this was shortly before I learned of the consequences attached to not believing, or not even trying to appear to believe.
How these Christians blew their chance is simple to uncover. NOT ONE of these "good Christians" ever took the time to show me their "god's love," or anything resembling nurturing, caring, community, or concern. Not one.
Instead, they called me names. They threatened me. They dehumanized me, which opened the doors to getting beat up and otherwise abused. You're a heathen, a sinner, broken, a failure, filthy, satanic, and less-than-human.
Imagine grown adults cornering a first grader and screaming at them about how they're evil, satanic, less-than-human, and informing them that they are hell-bound for eternity for the "sin" of not believing. To call it scary would be an understatement.
My grade school years were when they had a chance to convert me, by showing me a life lead by example. But none of them lived a life of example. None of them were truly good people, in the non-religious view of good people who are good based on doing good things and not labeled "good" because they believe something. None of them extended a hand. None of them engaged in "love thy neighbor."
To be clear, and to put a point on it, they failed in their Christian duty to save my soul from hell. That is on them.
I still see no reason why I should believe any of it, and then choose a segment of it over choosing another segment.
Damn, man, my condolences for the rough childhood.
Holy shit that's horrifying. :( I am so sad to hear you went through that.
Grown ass adults doing that to a kid...fucking hell...
DrumWild , I grew up also in the Midwest. But I was raised and schooled all the way through high school in the Catholic religion. I remember getting out of church one Sunday and watching a parent slapping and yelling at their child because they needed to go to the bathroom and the parent was angry they didn’t use the bathroom before they left.
I was very young at the time but that was my first realization that something was not right about this whole religion thing. I would watch that parent each week bow, sing, genuflect and do the sign of the cross and then drag their children out of church always yelling about something or another.
It unfortunately took me a long time to get over the god thing. I raised my children by asking questions of them instead of giving them answers about a god that I never understood.
They are grown now and have children of their own and I’ve spoken to them about how they felt about an “ungodly” upbringing because I felt I was just playing by ear since my upbringing was so different. My parents were not happy with the way My husband and I brought up our children. They were baptized after birth because it was easier to acquiesce than listen to the “ but you must baptize them. What if something happens?”
I’m so sorry you had that kind of experience growing up. My heart goes out to you. (((Hugs)))
+DrumWild
I do not share your story, but I share your conclusion from it... The best proof that there is no biblical (quranic) god is the believers "defending" that god and no deity intervening and stopping them from fundamentalism and discrimination of other worldviews. No god worth it's salt would let ignorant zealots talk for him without setting things right. Where is the fucking "ssmiting" of sodom and Gomorrah with the Westboro Baptist Church or Steven anderson when they insult their god by shouting out hateful sermons with frothing mouths... ?
The adults who threatened you with hellfire and brimstone were clearly maladjusted human beings who were also abused throughout their childhood. Indocrinating children into faith based living cripples them for a lifetime. The adults who bullied you literally did not have the moral compass to show them that they were being what they would call "satanic". They weren't given the chance to develop critical thought or their own code of ethics. The thing about "good christian ethics" is that they're not wrong about everything, it's the exclusivity that turns christians into devils. It's not wrong to love thy father and thy mother, obviously, but it's pretty fucking wrong to threaten children for not believing in god, it's pretty fucking wrong to threaten children or adults for being homosexual, it's not wrong to love thy neighbour, but is your neighbour islamic? well fuck that dickhead then. Islam is satanic if you're a christian. Send that cunt to hell. What about your other neighbour? They're protestant,l but you're Catholic. Well fuck that cunt too. Don't send your kids to school with the dirty protestant cunts. Catholicism is the one true path. you know that because your daddy told you that as he beat your mother and sister bloody for showing off too much ankle. You get the point. A christian is a walking paradox.
If they were given a chance by their community to grow up and develop properly, they would never have hurt you. Religious practice is like the Oroboros eating it's own tail for eternity. Religion is self perpetuating. If you get them when they're kids, they'll be awful abusing parents, and then their kids will grow up to be awful abusive parents, etc etc
heard this one on reddit
a teacher was speaking to his pupils and says "pay attention to the world around you for god has placed everything in its place to teach you a lesson." one of his students asks "even the atheists?" the instructor says "yes even them" the student, confused, asks "what could god hope to teach us from them." the teacher says "god placed them to teach us about true compassion. see when an atheist preforms an act of charity, visits someone who is sick, helps someone in need, and cares for the world they are not doing it because of some religious teaching. the fact that he does this at all is because of an inner sense of morality. and look at the kindness they can bestow simply because he believes it to be right." he continues "so when someone reaches out to you for help do not say 'I will pray for you' instead pretend to be an atheist and say 'I will help you.'"
not exact quotes bot close enough
but wont the atheists burn in hell according to the religion?
@@waifu_png_pl6854 good deeds are good deeds
if god denies entry because of what someone believes instead of what they do then that is not a god worth following
I don’t like the idea of being an invisible puppetmaster’s tool to teach someone else a lesson. This totally contradicts the “free will” argument as well.
My life choices were made by me and for me. I don’t exist so that someone else can feel better about themselves.
@@brabbit330 your only a tool if you believe in the puppet master
Very wise, and true.
One of the things I hate is just “we don’t need proof we have faith” like no, I have faith that a guy named blorblog the ancient is standing right next to me, i don’t need to see him, I have faith he’s there
Have faith in blorblog. If you do not accept him into your heart he will eat your dreams when you sleep until you inevitably die and get sent to blogland.
yeah blorblog is actually kinda nice once you get to know him
the virgin jesus
wants you to believe in him
smol muscles
you could see him before he died
gross crown of thorns
vs
the chad blorblog
loves you no matter what you believe in
jacked & lifts every day
still alive & invisible
sweet-ass shades
What is your proof that we should live by proof?
@@mountairyforjesus proof is the proof that we should live by proof
If atheism is a religion non smokers are a type of smokers .
Logic is not their friend, also reality.
No. There are fundamental questions that need to be answered and many times the answers involve having to believe something. An atheist still must believe things about reality that must be taken on faith unless the atheist is willing to admit that they’ve explored every part of everything that exists. So your smoker analogy falls short since that’s comparing apples to oranges.
@@teachccd uh, care to elaborate so that what you've just said makes at least some sense?
"An atheist still must believe things about reality that must be taken on faith"? That is wrong. Atheism is simple - lack of belief in gods. You can't make a lack of something a presence of something. So, randomnizer's analogy works pretty well.
@@elu9780 Of all the knowledge there is to be had in the universe, what percentage do you think you have? Maybe 1%? Let us be generous and say it is 10%. So in your 90% ignorance can you assert that there is no God? I would be inclined to say that such a person is an arrogant fool. I think agnostics are more honest, - "I don't think there is a God, but I don't know." "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Elu , exactly what Damon said. You must believe that something came from nothing. You must also believe that you know everything. What I wrote makes plenty of sense. You still have beliefs as an atheist. You don’t believe God exists but you believe in a whole lot of other things.
My favorite theist argument is that God is all knowing, all powerful, created everything, controls everything, knows the future of everything and at the same time is not responsible for our choices or where we go when we die. He’s suddenly helpless to prevent us from going to hell because “free will” lol.
Yeah, especially since there are valid philosophical arguments against free will.
He does not interfere with free will because He chooses not to, not because He can't. I hope this clears things up!
@@omnitroph1501 free will is an illusion. Every decision is made entirely based on circumstances, be they genetic, based off of memory, or are the current situation.
@@azathoththeprimalchaos2289 The universe has been scientifically proven to not be deterministic.
@@omnitroph1501 but cause and effect is also true. Since nothing can happen without something causing it, there is no way anything could happen differently than how it has. I'm not saying destiny is real, because that would be stupid. But logically, unless its possible for something to spontaneously happen for no reason with no cause, then there's no way anything could ever happen differently. Everything you've ever done was determined by a combination of your situation and how you reacted to that situation, which was determined by a combination of personality, and also the situation itself effecting said personality (tiredness, emotion from the previous situation, stress, drunkenness etc.) Your personality is determined by two things, those being genetics (aggression is a genetic trait, and if course various genetic mental traits or disorders exist, and other stuff like that), and your experiences and memories, which have already been part of this process.
And going back to science, I'd like to point out that as far as I am aware, there is nothing that is random. Even percentage based things like the positions of subatomic particles are because seeing them displaces them, so we have to guess where they are with statistics and not because they themselves are random. And finally even if the universe can have alterations, that doesn't change that you yourself go through the process mentioned above, and become a puppet to everything that's ever happened to you, the only instances of which you had control over being determined by you and therefore by your circumstances. Randomness in the universe wouldn't change your lack of true agency. Not that its bad. If you could really choose whatever you wanted you simply wouldn't want. Because you only want what you want because of your personality and situation. To have free will would mean having no personality, because its your personality that controls you, itself being determined by circumstance. Every action you do is meaningful because although you were guaranteed to be that way, if you weren't then you wouldn't be anyone. Of course, the issue is is that, its not people's fault when anything they do is done. Not that its good that they were done, but rather that punishing anyone for things should only be done if no other way of stopping such behaviour would work, so if a god is letting people be tormented because of things they had no real control over, then that's fucked up. Even murderers kill for a reason or combination thereof. And even if some of them are just messed up in the head and are born pure evil, its not their fault they were born pure evil. Not that I believe in evil, but you get my point. A psychopath doesn't choose ti be a psychopath. The only difference between Gandhi and Hitler is that they were born with different genetic traits, in different circumstances (time, place, the exact people and objects around them, how thise other people acted etc.) If you took their consciusnesses, erased everything all they're memories knowledge and traits, and them sent them back in time to be born in each other's bodies, and didn't change everything else, history wouldn't change. Once again I'm not saying Hitler was good or Gandhi was bad, but simply that none of them had choice in the matter because choice is impossible. The brain is a complex machine but it still follows rules. Even computers cannot create things that are truly random, only create the illusion of randomness. Our brains are no different.
the promise of heaven would be really great
if some of the people that are there cared enough to give a review
Heaven ⭐⭐⬛⬛⬛
Top reviews:
"Eh it's alright, I'll never see my family again, and none of my friends will be allowed in, but at least I can play basketball forever" ⭐⭐⭐⬛⬛
"No booze" ⭐⬛⬛⬛⬛
"Literally can't do anything, it's all banned because it's a 'sin'. We can't even use profanity!" ⭐⬛⬛⬛⬛
One of my acquaintances from high school said, with a straight face "What you think my kids are just going to grow wings?". The argument pretty much ended there, not because he won, but because I had no idea how to counter it without explaining the entire theory of evolution from scratch.
I mean maybe it's possible but it'd have to take place with your descendants tens of thousands of years in the future over hundreds of generations
@@e4ehco21 and also under extremely specific conditions
@@ilvanasgobero8096 yeah fair
I think I could, it would take a while though. Maybe an hour or two of dedicated reasoning, albeit I do not have the exact information nor references ready. But the basics of it? Still, I can't say I blame you for not bothering with that.
@@e4ehco21 only if we'd need it, but now it's nearly impossible with airplanes and helicopters. We have no purpose for wings
Worst argument I've heard is just a simple proclamation that I'm going to Hell. No appeal to reason. No trying to explain how their deity is good and worth worshipping. Just that I'm going to be damned for eternity because I don't believe a storybook.
Well I guess you can always tell them "so will you with that attitude"
I always love that one, its basically conceding the argument. And it really pisses people off when you start laughing when they pull they hell card which for some reason they think is a big gun.
@2consider No, but telling someone they'll die while walking off a tall building yourself is.
@God's Child Id love to know what a Bible base scientific evidences is, I've had clergymen admit there is no such thing so I'd love to have you show them different.
@2consider I've been listening all my life to Muslims, Christians and others. Not one of them can actually prove the basic tenant of their belief, that there is a god.
Irony: i am an atheist and i want hell to exist even i know it doesn't because i want to punish the guy who added letters to math.
I don't so much mind the letters, it's when you start using the Greek alphabet and random squiggles.
@@KisekiGamer1 Pi? It's complicated in that it's unending, but you can just summarize it as 3.14 for the vast majority of thing, and 3.14159 gives you even more degrees of accuracy for when it's necessary. same thing with the other letters meaning constant but continuing numbers. But the problem arises when I have to use that triangle bastard, sure it's a "letter", but come on, It's a triangle! It's a geometric shape!
@@Ropetrick6 don't so much mind pi. Have you ever walked past a physics major student's study area? That stuff is scary!
Quran ad-dhariyat 47:
We built the universe with ˹great˺ might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺.
Quran al-anbya: Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart? And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
There is more scientific stuffs in Quran you can search
@@KisekiGamer1 At least the squiggles are good for making faces. ^_^
i recoiled when the one dude said "our universe of harmony and order"
is he talking about the real universe or his religious one? because neither are in harmony and order
these people think god blessed humans with this amazing earth that suites them as they go to their suburban homes while there’s literally a second holocaust going on in china
There is perfect order. You don’t have to call it God or anything. It just works perfectly.
Jewlz Cartagena
What is it that you think works perfectly? Nothing in the universe is perfect.
Ro Ems everything is perfect. You just gotta see it.
Jewlz Cartagena
Hahaha what.? Everything is in a constant state of increasing chaos. Our own bodies rebel and give us cancer. Babies are born with life crippling defects all the time. Our planet will be destroyed by us or we will kill ourselves off before that. Even if we were perfect, the sun is going to destroy the Earth eventually. Yeah, everything is perfect though.
Girl in video: "If theres a god,... omg, all the things I did in my past were horrible!"
Me: "annnnddd, your solution was to convert and worship a god who has been a thousand, or a million times more horrible than you, throughout time? Sounds about right"
Mr. Meow right?! How can see claim te be a atheist and suddely released that see never thought about god? She wasnt an atheist she was just plain stupid.
Prove it
"If theres a god,... omg, all the things I did in my past were horrible!"
To put it simply, she bought Pascal's Wager. She was probably only an atheist because she was never introduced to religion. The moment she got a whiff, she immediately changed her ideals.
But how could she only think of ONE god, one religion? My brief crisis of faith (I am born and raised atheist) was in my teenage years, it was very short and went like this: What if the believers are correct??? Wait... believers of which religion though? How am I supposed to pick the *correct* and *true* one among all those that exist?
And that's the story about how I stayed atheist.
@@Potkanka Have you ever thought about evidence??You can know which religion is True by evidence.
"I don't know" isn't the same as "nothing." Why is that such a difficult concept for some people? Just because I don't know where the Universe came from doesn't mean I think it came from nothing.
Also, can I mention that if someone joins a religion in traumatic circumstances, you can't exactly use them as evidence that the religion is rational. Human brains get hella mixed up in traumatic circumstances.
That's fine and all until you tell someone else they are incorrect for believing in any sort of explanation for the universe (or anything for that matter).
Because it means your argument against God is based on what you do not know. Whereas a theist's argument for God is based on what we do know scientifically, or is at least the scientific and philosophical consensus, which still puts you very much on the back foot.
@@boodleboo8248 that is a circular argument that can be used by both belief systems therefore not an argument at all.
@@stevebenson506 Either explain the circular argument or I would have to assume you don't know what a circular argument even is.
If you don’t know then you’re not an atheist, maybe by definition but definition doesn’t define culture. Just like a lot social movements don’t represent what they claim.
To be agnostic is to be unconvinced of any evidence of anything.
Atheists *usually* claim they definitely believe there is absolutely no God or deities and all scripture is inherently false.
It’s semantic labeling I know, but figured I’d explain what it sounds like if we’re to tell a theist that you are atheist.
“You either have a God who sends child rapists to rape children or you have a God who simply watches it and says, "When you're done, I'm going to punish you."
If I could stop a person from raping a child, I would. That's the difference between me and your god.”
- Tracie Harris
Not really. That kind of God is an all powerful God. Many Gods don't have that absolute power
@@you-in5iy I mean, in the majority of cases today people describe or write about their God as an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent necessary being. If that kind of deity couldn't stop a person from raping a child, then it either doesn't exist or people are making up this being's properties.
@@you-in5iy If a "God" can't be bothered to save people despite being written as "omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent" then it doesn't have the right to be called one.
"regardless which side of the god question you fall on"
Me: *laughs in pagan*
I mean still counts as a theist, just not probably monotheist.
What exactly does Pagan mean? I see a few people in the comments who mention paganism but I don’t know anything about it.
@@strangerr13 Paganism generally applies to religions that spawned out Nimrod's empire, it refers to non-Abrahamic religions, (often polytheistic however they don't need to be, Buddhism is pagan and is atheistic) originally the term used was Gentile however that became more a non-Jew culture then a general religious application.
*Hail Odin!*
Fried Lemons
hial thor hail freyr
“Athiests - They pull away when you say that their religion is a faith.”
An athiest’s religion? If that’s not the most logically sound oxymoron I’ve ever heard, I don’t know what is.
Atheism, as theism, comes in many flavors. Some flavors of atheism have the features of a religion (website, group gropes, conferences, preachers, beliefs) See American Atheists.
A religion doesn't necessarily need to have a God. I don't think Buddhism really has a God for example. You could call it an atheistic religion.
You put faith in certain doctrines of science so... yeah, it would be a faith of some sort
@@andrewprahst2529 buddhism isn't a religion tho. it's a faith.
@@remwastaken There are many Buddhist "sects". Each qualifies as a religion.
my friend is very religious, and I'm not religious at all. sometimes they'll try to convert me by going on and on about religion. I was listening to their argument for hours but it got old after the first two arguments. and they're like "ok, tell me your side" and I'll say what I think is true and they'll say "nope, heard that before. say something else" over and over and over. like bro, how do you think I feel?
edit: sorry this comment is worded horribly, i was feeling a lot of emotions at the time and im too lazy to change it now. but some good news for anyone who cares: i did leave those friends behind, for this and many other reasons. after i posted this comment, the religious ramblings continued, and i basically told them to shut the fuck up. i told them countless times before that i respect them as a person but i do not and WILL not believe in any high being, and i won't tolerate them trying to convert me any longer. but it was all useless in the end because i broke apart from the friend group a few months after. feeling a lot better now
I don't think that person is a good friend/actual friend. Either that, or he's missing a point, or it's someone else.
If you still want to be a friend then sure, but I don't believe it's a good idea.
Is this an allegory where the roles are flipped? Nevertheless, that friend is closed minded.
They are not your friend and never have been. Leave them.
i'm sorry. that hurts. If i were you i would just tell them how much it hurts. If they don't understand, move on to plan b
@@ssjcrafter8842 of course, someone must be bad just because they're trying to convert someone into a belief that's beautiful and absolutely harmless (sarcasm, fuck you)
- have you walked on water like jesus?
- yes i did
- where's the proof?
- you just need to believe
EDIT: grammar and wtf is going on in the comments
Believe*
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@equalism 42 uh, did you click on the link? It is possible to walk on water.
@equalism 42 LMAO! THE IGNORANCE BLENDS IN WITH STUPIDTY SO WELL!
@@schmelerlogan Some people are ignorant, and they are proud to only understand what they know and nothing else.
Funny, I had a constant fear of death until I no longer believed in an after life.
Are you a bad person then? Only bad people fear the afterlife, cause otherwise you are just losing out on heaven. And not only you, but all your loved ones. Most Christians don't follow the teachings and rules out of fear of hell, but because they know it will lead to the most good and will make them most happy while here on earth.
@@dragonninja3655 goodness or badness of a person has nothing to do with going to heaven.
The evil man who was being crucified next to Jesus , who committed evil asked jesus to spare him in his last moments.
And so Jesus spared him , he said that he would be in heaven on the same day.
Even the most vile creature can enter heaven as long as they say "allright I like you jesus" in their heart.
Funny you don't even know your own scripture. Which also says that you should focus on your own evil , before you accuse someone of it,but you missed that part also.
Eternal life isn't necessarily good in fact it is a scary concept. To be eternal must be really fking boring , would drive me insane, good luck going bonkers in heaven.
No, you just don't know what you are talking about. St. Dismas is a very different story. First of all, he was a thief, so who knows how bad his crime really was. Secondly, he was truly sorry and asked for forgiveness. Usually, a bad person who repents has to spend a lot of time in purgatory (which is like hell in a lot of ways, except once you make up for your sins and are purified you get to go to heaven). For St. Dismas, we don't know how severe his crime was or if stealing one thing was the only bad thing he ever did. And he died a horrifically painful death. Suffering on earth lessens your time in purgatory and he was able to ask Jesus for forgiveness face to face. There is also a debate (this isn't a for sure thing, no one knows for sure how it all works) that God doesn't really send anyone to hell, they choose to go to hell themselves, either because they are now free to see all the evil they've done and feel unworthy, or because they just hate God and would rather suffer than lower themselves before God. Lucifer chose to go against God after all, and he had perfect knowledge, he knew what his pride would cost him and he chose hell anyways. But as I said that is a debate people have. As for being a good person, yes, you want to be good person to help other people in life and help them get to heaven. A person CAN be evil until the last moment and if they TRULY repent, God might let them into heaven, but only after a long time in purgatory (which is like hell, except it's not forever, saints who have seen purgatory say the people there suffer, but are still happy because they know heaven comes after). But heaven and hell are just the justice at the end, those places aren't the reason you should act a certain way. Most Christians aren't afraid of going to hell (unless they do something really bad), they follow the rules because they love life, God, and other humans, and know that following the rules and teachings leads to the happiest lives for all people. You could throw heaven and hell out of the picture completely and you would still follow the same rules. And I agree with you, eternity scares me too. But so did adulthood when I was little. You just know God is wise and all-knowing and He loves us and He promises heaven is great. It's one of those things you can't understand until you get there. And it certainly beats hell, but as I said, most Christians don't really care about those as much as following the rules out of love of God and life and living good and happy lives that can spread to others. You really should know what you are talking about before you go throwing around silly accusations. And as for B McD, I never said he was evil. I asked if he was because if not, he had no reason to fear death. It was him who was implying he was evil and I was pointing out the flaw in his thinking by pointing out that he probably isn't.
I can see your comment in the notifications, but I can't see it here. I don't know if it's a TH-cam thing or if you deleted it, but either way, 1st century Rome isn't modern day America. If he stole from a Roman, that's a death penalty. In fact, if you were a Roman, you weren't even allowed to be crucified. Only non-Romans could be crucified and they weren't exactly what we'd call just be today's standards. They'd crucified people all the time. They drowned people in sacks filled with animals. If Dismas did something as simple as steal a Roman's sheep, that is the death penalty because he was not a Roman. Heck, maybe he only stole a loaf and bread and the Roman just really didn't like him for some reason so he managed to get him crucified. Jesus was crucified even after Pilate found him innocent after all. We don't know what Dismas's crime was beyond he was a thief.
That's a youtube thing @@dragonninja3655
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"... this amazing universe of ours, of incomparable beauty, harmony and order ..."
The universe, practically by definition, is incomparable. There is literally nothing else to which to compare it.
I suppose you could compare it to a sausage mcmuffin. It wouldn't be a FAIR comparison...but you could eat the muffin after it fails to compare, so...
@@TheKyrix82 funniest response im going to have to use that against a theist
uh how about Abstract Objects, such as numbers? math in itself is Order and the fact that we can find mathematical equations in the universe is a clear piece of evidence that the universe in itself has order and fine tuning for life. every mainstream atheistic scientist openly admits that the universe appears to be fine tuned. they say appear though because they don't want to risk sounding like the universe needs a creator when it clearly does.
@@brooklynvlogs9396 we made math to explain those things, so it's not surprising that math works
@@TheKyrix82 but the fact that it works means that those things in themselves needed a maker who has a mind similar to our own. the only thing that creates code or information is a mind that can put things in the correct order, so because we have that understanding that a mind is the only thing that has the ability to do that, we have to conclude that a mind is what put the universe in order. at a time when we believed the universe was eternal this wasn't a problem, since we had an unlimited amount of time and an infinite number of tries to get things right. but because our universe has been discovered as finite, we no longer have the luxury of saying order was created by random chance. 13 billion years is not enough time for the universe to be exactly the way it is, where if the slightly thing was off the whole thing would fall apart.
the most common argument I have ever heard is "the book says so"
Yes and No
When the book defendes them is good
When the bool defendes Everyone else NO
@Andri oi dont steal my name xD
Sitting down and actually just reading a holy text by yourself tends to be the best way to leave your religion. I can't claim I know for all of them, just left Christianity that way. Church skips the 95% of the book where God carefully walks you through why slavery is a-ok, how to do it, and the like. Reading the Bible it's okay to skip over the full pages that just list off lineages, doesn't matter much 😅 but beyond that. Figuring out "whoops, been praying to a childish psychopath" by way of just reading is a solid step 1 for leaving. Christians don't really listen to their God thank goodness, but still, knowing all of it you need to be pretty dang morally bankrupt to stick around.
I usually say stuff like "Yeah, and that book also supports slavery."
Ephesians 6:5
The only being I believe in is our Lord, Savior, and Master of the High Ground, General Kenobi
All hail general kenobi
Yes
That took quite the unexpected turn.
They had us in the first half ngl
Amen
I once told a friend that if I ever had children I would raise them to be atheists. However if they were ever interested in going to church/doing church activities, I'd be happy to go with them. Then my friend told me I would "have to take my child to church for a while to give it the opportunity to 'get to know god' and make an informed decision". While I understand where she's coming from, I'd have to take my child to every church of every religion for them to make a really informed decision. And I won't force a child to attend (insert number of different religions) services.
Yes, I didn't take my kids to any church either and they are the healthiest most balanced people ever. They are completely free of religious superstitions nor are they scared of sin or hell.
@@lichotropical3350 No proof that Atheism is they exclusive reason for that and that's an extremely arrogant claim
@@dekuboidonut4552 as someone who has been indoctrinated with the concept of hell, sin and a divine dictator that sees all your thoughts. I can assure you it is not healthy. So it might not be the reason for them being emotional healthy individuals, but it sure as hell (pun intended) helped to not indoctrinate them with that nonsense.
just take your child to the real churches, lol
@@dekuboidonut4552 Strange argument with a username like that...
i'm disabled and atheist. The number of times I have been told "if you just accept Jesus into your heart you will be healed" like "NO Karen, its a genetic issue. It cant be healed or fixed"
Note: I wasn't diagnosed with my condition until I was in my 20's and I was an atheist long before then. My condition progresses and I am worse off now then before. so my health did not influence my beliefs.
I’m sure if you invited Jesus into your life, you would be healed. It was probably being atheist that gave you it. /s
Safir it’s genetic. It’s incurable you idiot. Read a book that’s not the Bible.
@@photophone5574 I doubt that he reads the bible, doing so would have converted him into an atheist.
Sorry to hear that. When theists pose this to you, ask them why god won't heal amputees.
whywontgodhealamputees.com/
That’s disgusting... you’re apparently the one getting eternal torment for this crap
The irony is that they COULD convert us if they actually had any evidence.
Tbf i think most atheists don't engage with sophisticated religious thinkers and instead just watch videos like this that confirm their biases, or watch videos of dumb Christians. (Same with religious people, vice versa). Most people are super hesitant to really listen to arguments that go against a core element of their self image/tribal belief
Are you familiar with Cold Case Christianity? There's a website & various resources under that name, but IMHO, the book is the best. It's all from an atheist cold case homicide detective, who applied his evidence-based approach to determining truth from fiction...and as the title suggests, his belief in Christ comes from the evidence.
Look up God's Not Dead--Courtroom Scene for a 5-minute intro for how carefully examined evidence leads to belief...and the book is much more thorough than 5 minutes could be.
During WWII my maternal grandfather served on a Destroyer Escort that hunted submarines in the Pacific and my paternal grandfather carried a flamethrower in Europe. Unlike the women in my family, they were never religious. They didn't say grace, our pray, and they never put a dime in the collection basket. They only attended church to appease their women. They both told me that when you understand how horrible the world can truly be, then you can understand that nothing benevolent ever designed it. It's easy to believe in God when you ignore all the suffering that he allows.
Look up Satanic Ritual Abuse...and why pedophilia is being promoted by the main stream as a mere sexual orientation nowadays...
@@mpmh3 literally no mainstream people are pro pedophile dude
@@21irises dude you see the Netflix show 'cuties'?? Evil messed up stuff..REPENT and Live or Refuse and when you die you will end in Hell
@@mpmh3 There's pedos in the mainstream, sure, but that isn't proof of any god. In fact, it's a better argument as to why there isn't a benevolent god.
@@spiceforspice3461 So why the satanic ritual abuse and killing of the children?
Why do theists use "arguments"
Who tf is gonna turn to faith after losing an argument?
Any argument for miracles. Then they just get mad when I point out the flaws. My roommate said it was a miracle when his aunt finally had a baby after like 5+ miscarriages. You dont need me to explain why that is wrong in so many ways. I point this out to him and he shut me out.
Did he use that as an argument? Or did he just say “it’s a miracle” after she had it?
@@datfisheboi6519 that was his argument for why god is great and why I should believe.
Trav Rad Good, I agree then. It would have been kinda a dick move if you had just turned him expressing excitement at his aunt not having a miscarriage into a debate about religion lol.
@@datfisheboi6519 I agree, that would be a dick move. I was upset at the same time that he praised his god for something that was clearly an evil, sidist act.
What a god, letting those first five babies miscarry.
I'm a Christian and I liked the video. I agree that we must listen and I love to hear from people with different views.
I thought I was the only theist to watch the video. Thank god. None of us should be forced to believe in god. It's up to us
@@Acc_-rh8tx and @ Jamers 1217
Yeah but cmon, lets be real for a second here, don't both you guys think that most atheists are "glass half empty with a bad attitude" whiny complainers all around in a shitty religion themselves? I mean, God still made them but wow, are they not the epitome of ignorance? I am talking specifically about people who call themselves "atheists"......
@@Acc_-rh8tx From teachings of Christ, our free will to choose or reject Jesus is one of the keys to our lives, that's one of the reasons why Christians wanted liberty, to give themselves less excuses to ignore God and be held accountable for themselves. (ditto to those around them as well)
@@evolutionisbull5h1t No. Just like you don't need to see someone's brain to know they are smart, you don't need to know their religion or their beliefs to know their personality. The people you are talking about are just shitty people to me. There are shitty atheists, Muslims, Christians or just shitty people in general. At least to me
@@Spartan322 I'm not christian but yes. we should choose who we believe and that is okay
“You’re making Jesus cry” or “well that’s very sad and I didn’t raise you that way”
Yoinkers that hurts
I live in Europe. Here it's actually pretty normal being an atheist.
America is so fucking weird.🥴
"Atheist is a person who knows more about your religion than you do. That is why he is an atheist".
I don't remember who said it, but well said...
That's genuinely ignorant.. It's no more than an assumption that is implying all theist have no understanding of their religions.. If you're white and tell a black dude he doesn't know shit about being black he'll likely reply by saying you obviously know nothing...
@@Bigghewi OK... So, God creates 2 humans; Adam and Eve. Than they have 2 sons, Cain and Abel. Then Cain Kills Abel. So, how were all other humans created? Who slept with who in order to create them all? Why are there different races if all come from one and the same? Or, a guy builds a boat and puts all animals on it and then after watter pulls back, he taxis them back to each continent?
Or maybe how God full of love and mercy sends a death to kill all first born sons, lamb's blood etc?
Or maybe another religion, one founded by a warlord who married a six-year old girl and "consumed the marriage" when she was nine? The religion that states "why seek peace when you have the upper hand", calls for "holy war" and say it's OK to kill those who don't share your beliefs?
C'mon...
@@ivanstepanovic1327 I'm familiar with the teachings of man, they made me atheist..The God of the old testament is a jealous, and vengeful God. The God if the new testament is a hippie.. Most people also think Jesus was the only son of Mary and Joseph. Islam and Catholicism are corrupt echoes of the Bible and Torah, which are but small shreds of truths filled with the contradictions of man. We still live the same as we did thousands of years ago.. Arguing economics, religion, and even the shape of the earth, while most are oblivious of truth.
@@ivanstepanovic1327 Adam and Eve had 3 sons, Cain, Able and Seth. Adam was the first named man on the planet, but not the first. On the sixth day, go created man and woman and gave them dominion over all he created(genesis 1:26 read up and down a little for context). On the seventh, he fished his work and rested (genesis 2:2 read down for more context). Part of that finishing was to create the garden of Eden and Adam and Eve. This is what the Vatican wants us to believe anyway. www.vatican.va/archive/bible/genesis/documents/bible_genesis_en.html. This of course is open to interpretation because the bible seems to skip around in time saying things like "before the rivers/plants (depending on version) sprung to life.. god gathered dust to make Adam. So it's a little fuzzy on whether Adam was created on day 7 or much earlier. The bible goes through so much direct time this happened, then this, then this, then this... But before maybe this happened or maybe not because something happened day 7 other than rest, which strongly implies gardening, but it happened on day 7 before water was added on day 1 or vegetation on day 2, so... It is that confusing if you actually read it.
I simply call bullshit.
Oh and if you really want to screw with their belief, don't argue with them. Have them explain any of the common bible stories. The Flood is good, so is creation, doesn't really matter what, but something big so they are comfortable talking to you. Ask questions, but not ones meant to trip them up. Get them used to explaining but not defensive. So avoid asking how Noah built an Ark with his family needing 2 thousand man work years when those idiots made the Ark Experience with power tools and heavy equipment (yea that took 2 thousand man work years with modern technology).... Ask how he fed the animals, that's not too threatening, and let them off the hook with whatever they say. You want them to expect you to ask hard questions, but accept what they say so they are not threatened by those questions and are willing to help you understand. Then get something from Deuteronomy and have them explain that to you. (Deuteronomy is one of the books of the bible and the source for nearly all of the "god is a fucking asshole way worse than Hitler and Genghis Khan multiplied together" stories. Dashing infants into the rocks(throwing babies at the ground to kill them) is what god wants you to do... Go rape your neighbors daughter then kill her for being a whore... This book is fantastic for breaking beliefs if you can get someone to try to explain it).
Worst argument.
"BUT HE IS REAL!!!"
Grammy tried to use that one on me. I shouldn't have told her I'm an atheist.
@Velle you don't want to know how often l've heard this serioulsy. Granted online and never irl cause well, i dont live in such a crazy place.
What's Yawehs penis size? So sure the christian god is male... Just saying.
My sister just told me the same thing about fairies, goblins, Nephilim and all sorts of her down the rabbit hole characters. It's sad how the delusion and bicameralism get worse. Maybe she'll work through it and come out atheist once every bit of bullshit is exhausted.
Argument by assertion.
They're really just projecting their own insecurities on you.
If their faith was as strong as they think it is, they wouldn't feel threatened by your atheism.
Tetsuron exactly. Anyone who has studied basic psychology will realize that when a believer threatens you with hell, it tells you that they have a fear of hell and they just assume that everyone else does as well. They project a whole lot as well.
Whenever a believer tells me about their god, I realize that they are telling me about themselves rather than any diety.
Nice people have a fairly nice god, and mean people have a mean god. Conservatives believe in the gun toting supply side Jesus, and Liberals often have a hippy dippy Jesus.
Fortunately, in my spiritual journey my own personal Jesus turned out to be a sceptic and an atheist!
@@BrianGay57 No words can describe the stupidity I just read.
SameerSlash You poor dear! Did I hurt your feelings?
@@BrianGay57 What one believes in certainly does tell you the type of person they are; however, it does not change the fact that what they believe in *is what they believe in. The belief itself does not change.*
SameerSlash Did I imply otherwise?
My friend tried the following to convince me:
1) "I was adopted"
2) A link leading to a fact checking site that disproved what they were saying.
"Don't try to teach English to a pig; it never works and you just irritate the pig." - Mark Twain.
Sounds like my creepy uncle.
Michael Meszaros i find it interesting this quote works for both sides
Yeah, I actually fucked up the original post; sorry, Drew. It's "Trying to talk to religious people about religion is like trying to teach English to a pig; it doesn't work AND you just wind up irritating the pig."
@@michaelmeszaros6982 Mark Twain was a good writer but he was poorly educated and had no big say in philosophy outside of his personal criticisms
Well, thanks for insulting one of the greatest writers of the 19th and 20th centuries, for no fuckin' reason whatsoever. You're not EVEN funny. Great addition you made, thanks.
I had two Mormons at my door one hot summers day. I looked at them, them obviously being on the streets since sunrise and after they introduced themselves and the reason why they were at my door, I asked them if they would like to have a (non-alcoholic) beer and rest in the shade a little before anything else.
They thanked me and I got them the cold ones, seating them on two garden chairs, so they could rest. I did a J and asked them if they were on the move all day, obvious smalltalk, that kinda stuff, nodding here and there, just being a chill dude. Told them, that their "job" sounded very exhausting and frustrating for everyone involved. They asked if I was interested in hearing about Jesus, I just said no and let them finish their beers before letting them continue on their quest elsewhere as soon as they seemed stable enough to carry on.
I never met two people so releaved, yet so uncomfortable and awkward at the same time, but hell, being kind "for no reason" never felt THAT good. Maybe they thought I was the anti-christ, trying to challenge their faith by being chill, or they were just not used to hedens being nice to them. Seemed to be a shock to their system, but maybe I'm just looking into their odd behavior too deeply.
You guys had any similar experiences?
Good work!
What is a *mormon*?
@@DEMIboiyo Kind of like Jehovas Wittnesses, but different. Religious folk in suits walking from door to door, that kind of stuff.
@@Abfallkannibale oh
Yeah Mormon missionaries are treated badly by a lot of people
You are welcome Drew! It's been my honor to be able to help this channel grow. I have been very pleased with the content both inquantity and especially in quality. I am condfident that you will take this channel to even greater heights. I plan on being a devoted fan for as long as this channel is around. I hope to eventually get to hear you speak in person. Alas, i will miss being a lord and savior. I have tried to get my employees to address me as such but they aren't buying it. Lol. Good luck!
Much love, man! I hope we do get to meet one day!
Thank you, Adam.
Thank you, Adam!
Thank you, Adam.
Thank you Adam, for making this possible for so long. YOU DA MAN!!
I saw the essential oils on the back and was ready to give a dislike. Then I saw the B.S. sign
Essential oils, a summary:
Aromatherapy, relaxation and adding scent to things like soaps and creams? Yes!
Curing polio, cancer, smallpox etc? *No!*
@@damisaurus_rex the name really does say it all, but I'm part the internet that shames anime profile pictures., because I want the world to know that someone is enacting riteous judgement on the wicked.
As in By the way Sucker, your fanfiction sucks because buying a bottle of scented fluid is boring enough without it happening in "shit that never happened land", which is a place with a huge hate crime problem.
Why is this stuff so popular in West
@@Pranav-rp8wi for the same reason Trump is.....
Stupid people.
Maybe not the worst but the most annoyingly often repeated by my Christial friends: "Atheists refuse to believe in God, because if they had to believe, they would need to change their lives."
"Guys but science was founded by chris-"
Because 99.9% of the population was christian at that time lol.
Not even close to true. Muslims made huge strides in the science of their day. As well as Indians, Mesopatamians...anywhere there was a major human civilization.
@@JJanesMedia he literally said founded dude
@@user-xe6kv6pw1s correct me if im wrong, but wasn't philosophy/ theology the first sciences and so that did not originate from Christianity, there are philosophers such as Confucius and laozi writing way before Christ. so surely science as a concept did not originate in Catholicism but rather Catholicism continued a long long line of philosophical and theological thought
@@giancarlocoia3228 idk wtf u sayin I was just defending that he said founded which doesnt mean they took the most advances
@@giancarlocoia3228 ok now I know what u sayin but I wasnt saying that christianity were the ones who founded it
My mom and dad find comfort in religion. That’s what religion is supposed to do. Giving people emotional support and hope in time of hardship.
That's wonderful! Unfortunately religion is the exact opposite for many people.
Good for them but many atheist don't need that . For example I don't believe that my existence holds any meaning and I am okay with that , I don't need a meaning I create my own meaning .
I find comfort in the lack of religion. Religion was made because people wanted to believe in something, the find a meaning if everything. And that's okay, it's normal to want to understand, to believe in something.
But I find comfort in the idea that life, existence, never had a meaning. It just is. It means I had a choice. I wasn't predestined by some higher entity to be the way I am.
If my life never had meaning, it means I can chose my own meaning. The idea that I'm free to chose, has always been something that gave my life meaning. I am free to chose who I am, what I do. It was my choice, no one else's.
I know someone who is an atheist and wants to abolish religion but as an atheist myself I am aware that religion brings comfort to people who are genuinely kind and faithful, and taking this away is simply cruel and no different than religious people who force their beliefs down people throats.
Point is, whether you're an atheist or a religious person it doesn't make you a better person than the other until you learn to be respectful to how people choose to live their life
I was about to say "why do you believe in essential oils?" before seeing the BS sign
He made a video on that, telling the story how he nearly fell for this...
god : follow my rules or go to hell "your choice" lmaoo what a joke of a cult
Nope, you are wrong.
if God sends down angels and I see one, I know that angels exist, this proves nothing about a God.
brush
Bobby, I think you might be schizophrenic.
@Bob Smith lol near death experiences. i wonder what shit your going to throw at me. but right before you die you release alot of chemicals in your body as a last ditch effort to survive, if you survive you might or might not get halucinations from those chemicals.
bob
i wonder, what is your take on near death experiences of ppl related to different religions?
what do you think, about muslims having experiences wich in pair with their religion, hindus see hindu gods, christians see jesus, and so on...
different religions produce different near death experiences, therefor wich god or gods in your opinion?
oh, and bob...
"...religion of atheism ...."
clearly youre lazy to check what atheism is, or youre a liar.
atheism is:
theist: "there is a god."
atheists: "can you proove it?"
theist: "no"
atheist: " i dont belive you then"
would you mind to explain, where is the religion, where is the emotion, or the lacking of reason, logic and science? and you have the thick skin on your face to call other ppl morons, with your 80 IQ lol....
I told a lady friend of mine that I was an atheist. She laughed and said, " I don't believe you, you're too nice".
If I was you, I would end my friendship with that unpleasant person
Yeah it’s funny when religious people take a moral high ground for being taught basic relationship skills as if we didn’t evolve to be raised by our parents for that very reason, to be taught the basics of empathy and human existence.
Odd thing with that argument is I've met more unpleasant theist people than atheist people, and this is coming from a christian, a lot of theists are just assholes who just use religion as an excuse to justify there own hateful opinions.
If a god is willing to prevent evil, but not able, then he is not omnipotent,
If he is able, but not willing, then he must be malevolent
If he is neither able or willing, then why call him a god?
Why else do bad things happen to good people
-Epicurus
I once told this to a theist and he just replied with “you are just assuming you can understand the nature and thought process of a god”, which I mean fair enough I guess but it’s a really cheap way out of that argument
@@hexcss9153 I like how they bang on and on about the nature of God when presented as a positive but when presented with a negative God becomes unknowable.
I heard of something that might actually make sense with him not stopping evil.
The theory is that God is actually just neutral. Only here to keep the world from going into total chaos. Before you say 2020 is bad. Let's be honest here it could have been a lot worse. The war could have actually happened, we all could have suddenly turned into zombies, and we all could have suddenly died out of nowhere from a synchronized heart attack.
He never actually fought for evil or good because it was what he wanted with the world in the end, he just fought for whichever side meant the world didn't you know become a dead land.
Another theory is that God made the world and then left.
Yeah as simple as it sounds. He created a new save file and just left the game on his laptop open for the rest of eternity.
@@seafoam8845 While plausible, that would go against what the Christians proclaim. Im an agnostic so I am kind of neutral in the matter. Still, one thing I am fairly certain, is that if there is a god, it is certainly not the Christian one
@@hexcss9153
Agreed, or at least this one. For all we know the "true" or oldest version of the Christian god is actually much different than this one. But yes I agree the current Christian god wouldn't be the god if there is one.
"If there’s no God, what created the universe?"
"Well, if there’s a God, what created _it_ ?"
"Huh? Nothing, God simply exists."
"Then why wouldn’t it be the same for the universe?"
I guess I could have that exchange if I was asked that. The only people I ever had a talk about religion were Jehova’s witnesses though, so I just kinda listened to their monologue about how Jesus is gonna save us and went "err, sure?"
So it’s just as likely then? That god exist or doesn’t exist. In terms of what began everything?
I’ve always had trouble wrapping my head around either idea. That nothing begat everything. Or that something has always been. Neither idea seems to make much sense.
So the thing is with that idea is that we would need a fundamental understanding of what actually created the universe.
Which we don't know, its the entire reason the Atheist vs Theist debate can even exist because we have no legitimate evidence for either.
One could assume, that if you could prove the existence of God, you could find out or possibly just ASK how he came to be.
If you can prove he doesn't exist...
Well your god now, as you have a fundamental and irrefutable understanding of the laws of creation from its source and the universe as a whole.
Either way, very impressive.
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@@keyboardevangelist If there there are Evangelicals in Heaven then maybe Hell isn't so bad after all.
BTW, even if all those theist arguments were true, that only proves there is "a" God. It doesn't prove the God from an ancient middle eastern book that hates gay people and shellfish was real.
@M K no they are saying that if the arguments where valid it would still not be that important because even if there are gods how are you sure it's your religion the one that is right? also the way you say "so i guess you are a theist" sounds as if there was something bad with that wich there is not as long ad they don't force their beliefs in anyone
*hates paedophiles
Ftfy.
God gates gay people? What?
God does not hate anyone. God hates our actions against him. He gave us free will, And he promised not to punish the people anymore,the Flood (Noah) was the last.
@@harkalyjonas what good is free will if you still need to give yourself up to him and do what his absurd ideologies and laws tell you? It makes no sense at all if he cared so much about it why not made people in a way that he knows won't sin because they are just good no control over them they just do what's good because it's good he is supossed to be allmigthy afther all
No one talks about the bad things theist did back in the old times where they destroy artifacts of the natives kill those who do not convert and so many more that are bad
Worst argument I have heard...."You know what made me want to become a Christian, I don't want to go to hell."... I could not believe he told me this. Believing in something out of fear is a very bad way to start an argument.
The real reason to become Christian is to get fascinated by Jesus.
@@guiller2371 -- people were fascinated by Hitler too...doesn't make it a good thing.
@@timq6224 Well, compare the life of Jesus, miracles, purpose and his teachings with the devastating legacy of Hitler. After this, I don't see any ground for discussion on who truly contributes to turn the world into a better place.
Love one another as He loved us, love and be a blessing even to your enemies by focusing on what really matters and being truthful and honest even to yourself understanding God sees you even when nobody does.
Jesus King if Jesus existed, he died 1980 years ago or so.
I’d have a hard time getting to know him as equal as I would Alexander graham bell.
"I like to believe that's what happens..."
As it's quite literally admitting you know it's not true. This was my own mother, by the way.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
"I was interested in truth from the point of view of salvation just as much as in truth from the point of view of scientific certainty. It appeared to me that there were two paths to truth, and I decided to follow both of them." (Georges Lemaître)
Nice quote! Works very well from a Christian view and from an atheistis point of view. I am a Christian, but I also believe in science and evolution.
"Coincidence is God's way of staying unonymous" ~ Albert Einstein
The Egyptian Gamer *anonymous
Although I write screenplays, I don't think I'm a very good writer. - George Lucas
@@theegyptiangamer2530 -- Einstein was actually making a joke. He also emphatically stated that he never believed in God as a personal savior. And I quote "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
"You can't prove God doesn't exist!"
It's sorta like "innocent until proven guilty." I'm not going to believe in god until you can prove he exists. I shouldn't have to prove he doesn't.
These people really think that other depressed people haven't attempted prayer in their desperation and either been met with silence or static?
Keep on searching studying praying trying
@@Tova-Barin Nice joke🤣