@@Mulberry2000 Let's have a look, question: Who is wondering? 37:12 Hafs Sahih International: But you wonder, while they mock, MUHAMMED wonders 37:12 Al-Doori Quran But I wonder, while they mock, AL-Lah wonders 37:12 Abu Al-Harith Quran But I wonder, while they mock, AL-Lah wonders 37:12 Khalaf Quran But I wonder, while they mock, AL-Lah wonders
As an exMuslim please let me know if I am correct in the following. It has been my experience that most growing up in devout families not only have a strong belief in Islam but are almost indoctrinated. When confronted with any evidence it is automatically perceived as a “lie”, and I have witnessed most shutdown, they will not even look at the evidence, will not try and comprehend it, it is automatically refuted as untrue, and given the chance like Hatun’s books, they would try and destroy them or other evidence if they could. Most I have noticed will consider the word of an IMAM or Apologist over physical visible evidence. Even Nabeel Qureshi took years to accept it. Just the fact the community or even ones family shunning you is enough for some to stay in Islam.
@@truthinchristapologetics3542 fear of hearing the truth. Well they are blinded. They should hear and be free from bondage of lies. For the truth will set them free.
Mike Chua The main thing that tells me Christianity is true, in true primitive Christianity (The original 1st century church) We are servants to each other and to The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. Any Christian who’s faith is true does not fear death, and as we all become more like Christ on earth we are ready to sacrifice our lives for each other, even to save the soul or life of another as long as that sacrifice is not in vain. It is never about us. I get upset when I hear preachers today say all you have to do is pray hard enough and have enough faith and God will grant you what you ask for. What I call the warm and fuzzy congregations. It isn’t about what we want. But I have found out God will always give us what we need. All the other religions I researched for years, it was the exact opposite, it was gain for the individual, what is in it for me, whether it is power and control, material rewards, social status etc.... , for the muslim the prayer is a hey look how devout I am, some get callouses on their foreheads and show it with pride, look at all I do for my rewards in Jenna.
It does not matter, even if you destroyed all the manuscripts of the Qadhi interview, so many Christian apologists have memorized it at this point they could rewrite it word for word, letter for letter. It has been perfectly preserved up to today.
Islamic scholars who cud get away with lies for years are having a meltdown right now bcoz of the legendary work of jay smith and david wood. May muslims see the light and move out of the darkness of islam.
Please remember, that while David, Colin, Al Fadi and I have helped to highlight these difficulties in the Qur'an, it is Hatun who was the one who saw the problem first, and then single-handedly brought it to the world's attention back in 2016. The 'Holes in the Narrative' argument is really hers and hers alone. We must give credit where credit it due.
@@pfanderfilms Yes Jay..Admire Hatuns courage and initiative. I m so glad see your reply. I listen to you and David a lot since past 5 years. God bless you all.
@@pfanderfilms Cheers to our beloved Sister Hatun for her initial contribution to this entire episode. The major credit has to go to M. Hijab for asking questions never to be asked. Qadhi was very diplomatic but a deep hole had been dug.
The SHAME of this is, you KNOW that the modern scholars ALL have access to this information, but they CHOOSE to lie to their people about this! How PROFOUNDLY sad.
Well since it was said that they are all the Qur'an: It is your duty to take them all and chop, cut and restitch it together in your own recension. You too can be Uthmanic.
Even more significant will be June 8 2024 , 100 years since Hafs Quran was adopted and all the rest thrown in the River Nile. I was always wondering why the fish in the Nile make noise 5 times each day.
Please translate this into Indian languages like Malayalam Tamil Kannada Telugu Hindi Marathi Bengali Panjabi Kashmiri etc you can educate more than one and a half billion people living in the Indian subcontinent. Thanks 👍
Thank you Dr Smith. Just a comment on the Qureishi dialect that Muslims claim originated in the Hihaz region. If we look at the research being undertaken by Mel from Sneaker’s Corner based on revisionists’ studies, there is a valid theory that Qureish came out of Iraq/Persia territory as “Koresh” was the arabised name of the emperor Cyrus. The Abbasids (and Umayyads) who most likely were originally from Central Asia ruled from Baghdad from 750. They invented the history of Islam and fabricated much of the tradition we now know; which includes claiming that Muhammad was from the tribe Qureish in Mecca etc etc. Authors of the Qira’aat, the Hadith and tradition such as Bukhari, Al Tabari and Al Tirmithi plus many others came out of Central Asia. So in a way when Uthman says that he only wanted to keep the Qureishi dialect maybe he was meaning the Qureish of Central Asia? Thank you again.
Jay, you say you'd rather be working on another topic. But this is better than qiblas, better than coins, better than even no historical Mohammed. This is where the action is.
Yes, but my passion is the 7th century, and what really happened then. Nonetheless, because of Hatun, we have to unpack and help explain just why there is no preserved Qur'an...so I'm willing to spend some time on this question.
@@pfanderfilms, It's lethal to Islam. If it turns out that the Quran is a "mini Bible" in the sense of exhibiting the same manuscript corruption as the Bible, only to a different degree, the "moral high ground" is lost, and -- even worse -- claims of "preservation", if taken literally, will be exposed as a lie.
So, Muslims made their selections without Mohammad and jibril, since we learned that jibril has to physically appear to Mohammad to deliver the Quran, so 7 different Quran in 22 years then the for how many years. Thank you LORD JESUS for our salvation....amen.
@@pfanderfilms Thank you sir! You are a pioneer in all of this, so it's truly an honor to hear that. When history looks back on all this, you will be remembered.
I wonder though. What does all this mean for the university level? Will this be published in Europe Schools? Will there ever be a public discussion about this in Media? For some reason i really doubt this.. which drives me crazy mad.
wish there were time stamps on these topics noted below. too long - skipped. [1] What do modern Muslim Leaders Claim? [2] The 30 Diacritical Variants Defined [3] The 30 ‘Official’ Variant Qur’ans [4] How the Qira’ats were formed [5] Were there more than 30 Qira’ats? [6] A Look at some Qira’at Variants [7] Comparing Hafs with Warsh [8] The 1924 Hafs Canonized Text [9] How the Hafs Canonized Text was Chosen
My apologies Kon Tiki. I'm only one person. I don't have a team helping me. If you can put the time stamps, that would help all of us greatly. Blessings
I would have loved to add time stamps but I just cannot add it in your descriptions for everyone to see since i cannot edit your descriptions. If i add as my comments, there is only a small likely chance that others might see it. The reason why i am asking you to add time stamps is because, i thought most of your videos would make nice reference materials. Thx. for your reply though.
Thank you pfander films to keep the interview between yasir & hijab. it is wonder that if you find that what you believe is wrong and question it &leave if not get answers.we are in 21st century. We as a human must have critical thinking otherwise we are a failure as human!.
Jay your work is brilliant but, you are still looking academically at these texts. All remember that Church and State started to split in 1517 with Martin Luther's translation of the Bible followed by William Tyndale's English translation to be followed by his death for Heresy in 1536 he was 42. What our problem is the Theocratic use of the Quran in Theocratic Countries as well as using the Hadiths and Reliance of the Traveller to enforce Sharia (Law) on its citizens.
@ Boris S. : Why not use Martin Luther's translation or William Tyndale's English translation of the Bible? Why use the King James approved translation which is State approved translation of a Church book?
Believe me, it is such a detailed subject, with so many historical problems, that it takes at least 2 hours, of what normally is communicated in 2 days of lecturing. You are getting the 'abridged' version here, and I hope it helps.
PfanderFilms Oh I know. Was just making a funny. I would like the powerpoint of the Historical Critique of Islam’s Creation if that is possible, Video you posted about 5 months ago. My email is in my channels about if you are able to send it. Thanks for all you guys do and God Bless! I’m getting into this video now.
Hello Jay, thanks for a lot of information! As I was looking through the 30 (10+20) readers and transmitters I found that Khalaf was a transmitter of Hamzah but later got chosen by al-Jazari as a reader. I also found that Al-Duri both is a transmitter for Al-Kisa'i (Kufa) as well as for Abu 'Amr ibn al-'Ala' (Basra). Are Khalaf's versions different as a reader and as a transmitter? Are Al-Duri's two transmissions different? Do you understand how this comes together?
After a recent interview with Br. Muhammad Hijab, some missionaries and anti-Muslim propagandists have read their own prejudices into our very brief discussion. Some of them have twisted my words to suit their agenda. While Muslim scholarship has pioneered Quranic studies for centuries and continues to do so, the fact remains that we all agree on the demonstrably proven fact that the Quran has been preserved in its entirety, word for word, and that we believe that all of the ten recitations (qira'āt) of the Quran are revealed from Allah. To see such Islamophobes try to read in an argument that no one amongst us ever made in order to prove their incorrect narrative is only demonstrating the unethical tactics they resort to.
Hopeless is the word to describe the untenable position they have: To be seeking to maintain for reasons of what they describe as their faith driven by that mantra, just one always just one forever just one I know it is just one, I been told only one forever one even if I have to put them all into just one there is only one ever and only one please don't ask me why, there is only one, oup oup oup, Red Line Oup, Oup, Oup, Only One Ever!!!!
Yes, I find it a bit amusing Muslims are either afraid or really unable to understand the many-in-one concept. I used examples in everyday life to illustrate to a Muslim fellow that entities such as country, team, family etc.. are referred to in singular term and yet everyone understands that they contain more than one member. So for Christians to say we indeed worship one God but that God is triune is analogous to a soldier pledging allegiance to his country, that is one country that contains many citizens. I don't see anything illogical about that concept. My Muslim interlocutor rejected my analogy by saying the entities I used were not found in the Old Testament of the Bible! I didn't bother to reply to such irrational response. Muslim mindset is locked and I think the only way is to pray that God will somehow unlock their mind one day so they can see the light.
Alasdair Maclean Yea, I brought this up in another thread, along with Allah’s spirit being separate and with him in some verses. The muslim who responded slammed things in reverse. “No Allah created the Quran!” How? it’s his word, it’s always existed with Allah. Most really do not know their own book.
@@truthinchristapologetics3542 I noticed that with Muslims. They claim that the Quran is Allah's word but they don't pay it no mind and instead raise they're late Hadiths over it
Alasdair Maclean Not always, lately when it’s something embarrassing like Aisha, or Muhammad being covered in semen stains (Yes that’s in the Hadith to) they claim the Hadiths are not trustworthy. I even had one tell me the Hadith were written by men that want to ruin Muhammad’s reputation. Then they change the subject when you remind them Sahih means correct/right in Arabic. And also Bukhari is considered the most sacred after the Quran. In Mosques it is the only Hadith on the shelf beside the Quran.
According to Allah. 1. he preserved the Qur'an 2. Qur'an is a miracle preserved through man. 3. Allah gave the Jews the Torah and Christians the Gospel. 4. But Allah couldn't preserve those two. 5. So Allah is now angry with Jews and Christians for "his" mistake that he wants to make war with us. ??????? Why???????
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Are there any passages that have multiple attestation in other passages and contradict the hafs. It would be cool to see not just that the Hafs and other vary, but to see that the Hafs has a minority view amongst all the manuscripts.
I don't know why we can't just get along. Christianity and Islam have so much in common! 1) We both believe in one God. 2)We both have a holy book. 3) Jesus got crucified and his wrists had holes in them. The narrative of the perfect preservation of the quran has holes in it.
Who says we don't get along. We just don't believe in the most essential areas of our truth claims. You are correct, Jesus had holes in his hands and feet, for you. I'm also excited to see you finally agree that the Qur'an has holes in it as well. That is the whole point of the video above. Come on home.
The only unchanged verses of the Quran are the ones the goat ate 🐐...the verses about Adult Breastfeeding and Stoning...any whereabouts of that goat 🐐?
It's regrettable to notice, with great concern that Allah should have been confused by now. He's ''supposed'' to ask and squeeze Mohammed (no more Pbuh) into reciting only one Quran but how come Hafs, Warsh, Uthmani- Kaloon, Ibn Amir, Ibn Katir, Al Kisaï, Tajweed Shoba, Abdullah Al- Kalaf and 20 + others have come to ''recite'' the one and only ''preserved words of Allah?'' Corruption? As usual? Even with Jibril? Perhaps? How come Inspector Jay Smith discovered this ''Hole corruption'' 1400 years later? Something is not clear here.
Please, Dr. Jay, Dr. Al-Fadi, Dr. David Wood. Mr. Dan Gibson, START TO ARABIC SUBTITLE ALL YOUR VIDEOS because here in the ME we are still away from this dilemma as Dr. Quadi said in his video with Hegab. PLEASE
Mumtaz, I'm just one person, all alone, so don't have the time nor the energy, but you do. So, why don't you Arabize the videos, and put them up on a channel you create for other Arabic speakers.
Well, now that's one of the nicest things any Muslim has ever told me. You are indeed a rarity, and a 'breath of fresh air'. May God bless you richly Juad!
The only reason people are dismantling the idea of perfect preservation is becasue Muslims LOVE to say that it is and is considered a big reason to be Muslim.
@@YamnayaSintash So right. They hang on that, but it is sand under their feet in the surf.... or on the dune as the wind blows. There's a song in that some where... and that some where..... over.... the....
He was just assuming that the one that teached by ibn mujahid was not the 7 qiraats...when he knows that this qiraat is already exists at the time of proohet Muhammad.. it was being taught at that time. He is also assuming that the students of ibn mujahid was teaching different qiraat .when he already know that they are the student of ibn mujahid..it is so obvious that what his student was teaching is from their teacher ibn mujahid. And these students teaches what their teacher has teached them..you wont just say that those students teached different than what their teacher has taught. Also they are not chosen because the other students have is not the original QUR'AN..it was chosen because it was just popular to others..just like what happened to hafs and warsh...they are just popular..but it doesnt mean that what the other students have is wrong..they are all correct..but there are just some become popular...also the other students Qiraat have.. was not threw out because they are not canon or that they are not original QUR'AN..it was just what most popular..and so the other just gradually died out. How could he not understand that..and he said he is an ex-Muslim. Even me not a scholar could understand and he cant???🤦♀️🤦♀️
Catholics: so you know Jesus says you have to eat him. Protestants: our bible is perfect and our interpretation is the only one there is and it clearly isn't a literal book when it bothers us.
I find all this absolutely fascinating. Such a huge gap between "official" islamic thesis and réality. However, how do I know Jay Smith is not making everything up ? How can I trust an Evangelist's stance since it would be in his own interest to annihilate islam's official narrative ? How do I know Jay's evidences are not fake or at the very least slightly twisted ? I strongly question Islam but I'm also quite critical of Christian roots as well (my roots).
Hey! Im a born muslim and Id like to help you I wont force you of course but Ill give you a ton of proof Ive found about Islam Id love to share my experience of almost becoming an ex muslim with you!
@@flairluna5077 yes, can you explain the fabricated lies about Christianity ? I think I already know them but always interested in finding new ones. The further I dig into religions the more I realize how artificial they are. Spirituality is WAY beyond religious fairy tales and politics. What truly matters is what we will become once we die. Really. And that, nobody really knows. They can bring up all the gilded lettered books they want and all the mad stories about the sea being divided and what not, that’s not telling me what kind of reality we’ll live in the next life. I am sick of religions. All religions.
@@abccba1971 Sure Ill show you give me one of your social medias? Any of them I have 101 reasons written down lol and I promise I will show u all the reasons I believe in islam and why I suggest it to you without forcing you
No, that was my argument, which I first introduced back in the 1990s, though I taught her them around 2014, but then perfected the arguments in the last 9 months, once I was contacted by and did research with the Numismatists.
I testify that the holy Quran is preserved. Even if it has the different accent/recitation like what you called the "qirat". Wasnt it has the same meaning?.
Hadith حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَالِكٌ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ عُرْوَةَ بْنِ الزُّبَيْرِ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ عَبْدٍ الْقَارِيِّ، أَنَّهُ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ عُمَرَ بْنَ الْخَطَّابِ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ هِشَامَ بْنَ حَكِيمِ بْنِ حِزَامٍ، يَقْرَأُ سُورَةَ الْفُرْقَانِ عَلَى غَيْرِ مَا أَقْرَؤُهَا، وَكَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَقْرَأَنِيهَا، وَكِدْتُ أَنْ أَعْجَلَ عَلَيْهِ، ثُمَّ أَمْهَلْتُهُ حَتَّى انْصَرَفَ، ثُمَّ لَبَّبْتُهُ بِرِدَائِهِ فَجِئْتُ بِهِ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقُلْتُ إِنِّي سَمِعْتُ هَذَا يَقْرَأُ عَلَى غَيْرِ مَا أَقْرَأْتَنِيهَا، فَقَالَ لِي أَرْسِلْهُ ". ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُ " اقْرَأْ ". فَقَرَأَ. قَالَ " هَكَذَا أُنْزِلَتْ ". ثُمَّ قَالَ لِي " اقْرَأْ ". فَقَرَأْتُ فَقَالَ " هَكَذَا أُنْزِلَتْ. إِنَّ الْقُرْآنَ أُنْزِلَ عَلَى سَبْعَةِ أَحْرُفٍ فَاقْرَءُوا مِنْهُ مَا تَيَسَّرَ "." Narrated `Umar bin Al-Khattab: I heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to that of mine. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) had taught it to me (in a different way). So, I was about to quarrel with him (during the prayer) but I waited till he finished, then I tied his garment round his neck and seized him by it and brought him to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and said, "I have heard him reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me." The Prophet (ﷺ) ordered me to release him and asked Hisham to recite it. When he recited it, Allah s Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way." He then asked me to recite it. When I recited it, he said, "It was revealed in this way. The Qur'an has been revealed in seven different ways, so recite it in the way that is easier for you." Sahih al-Bukhari 2419 In-book : Book 44, Hadith 9 USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 3, Book 41, Hadith 601 (deprecated) Sahih Bukhari
Yes I know there is different way for reciting the Quran. But at the end it has the same meaning. So what's the point debating regarding to this matter.
Watch the video and look at the differences we show you, and then see if they all have the same meaning. We only showed about 10-11, yet there are over 93,000 differences between just the 29 different Qira'ats and the Hafs version. Have you looked at any of them?
@@quranrepository3323 Look at the examples we give above and tell me honestly whether the essence of the meaning are the same. None of them are the same, as they change practices, doctrines and even beliefs in some cases. And those are only 10-11 examples of over 93,000 we have found so far!
Everything in Islam was fabricated: books, history, traditions,... When a doctrine is artificially built on such a scale, there is no escaping incoherencies, anachronisms, discrepancies and contradictions. Mua'wia, the first Arab caliph historically documented was most probably Nestorian, the first "Muslims" were not actually Muslims, they were drafted by the Nazoreans (judeo-christian sect) to retake Jerusalem, the Quran was their preaching tool, they used it to mobilize the Hagarenes. This is why so much of the Talmud is found in the Quran. Later on the Nazorean doctrine(Jesus a prophet not a god, only one Gospel: the Gospel of the Hebrews, circumcision...) was remodeled by the Abbasids to become what we call Islam by adding Mandean rites (Fasting a month, 5 prayers...) and pagan rites to sever themselves from the Nazoraean doctrine, the mother of Islam. That's when the sira was handcrafted, the Islamic tradition was created with its hadiths and history was completely rewritten to hide the true origins of Islam. This is why the majority of early Muslim scholars are not from Arabia but from Central Asia like al-Bukhari, Muslim, at-Tirmidhi, at-Tabari...
@Soy el coipo @somatotrophin It is not anything that might be said or not said, heard or not heard, the choice does not belong to any human Who gets in and never will. Even the Muslims know that what they do to the letter does not even allow them to know if they get to paradise. As far as the Gospel of the Master is He paid in full for you the choice is yours to choice Him. It has and will always be on a personal level what choice is made. You can never point to someone else and say what about them? You are still responsible for what you choose. No one can choose for you. It is always at this personal level you find that choice. It is for you to decide what you will choose. Once the choice is made you are left to move on that pathway of life. We all die. How will you live is part of that choice. I choose to live on His way, truth and that life.
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Also a "thank you" to the guy in the bookshop asking Hatun the crucial question: "Which Qur'an?"
The asnwer any quran as its the same one.
@@Mulberry2000 Let's have a look, question: Who is wondering?
37:12 Hafs Sahih International:
But you wonder, while they mock,
MUHAMMED wonders
37:12 Al-Doori Quran
But I wonder, while they mock,
AL-Lah wonders
37:12 Abu Al-Harith Quran
But I wonder, while they mock,
AL-Lah wonders
37:12 Khalaf Quran
But I wonder, while they mock,
AL-Lah wonders
@@gentz8310 Strange that you don't go to passages where they don't have the same words. There's a word for this it's called "gaslighting".
@@sweynforkbeard8857 I know there are 30 different Arabic quran available. Islam is a fake story
As an exmuslim, the best way to make one leave islam is to show him or her that the Quran is not preserved.
Muslims who don't understand English still believe that quran is holy, guarded by allah him self, and only one quran
Noted 👍👍👍👍👍👍
God bless you
@Gustaf, God bless you.
As an exMuslim please let me know if I am correct in the following.
It has been my experience that most growing up in devout families not only have a strong belief in Islam but are almost indoctrinated. When confronted with any evidence it is automatically perceived as a “lie”, and I have witnessed most shutdown, they will not even look at the evidence, will not try and comprehend it, it is automatically refuted as untrue, and given the chance like Hatun’s books, they would try and destroy them or other evidence if they could. Most I have noticed will consider the word of an IMAM or Apologist over physical visible evidence. Even Nabeel Qureshi took years to accept it. Just the fact the community or even ones family shunning you is enough for some to stay in Islam.
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Mike Chua I’d bet on her in a scrap any day of the week. Muslim men run away in fear. 😂😂
@@truthinchristapologetics3542 😺😸😸😹😹😹😹👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@@truthinchristapologetics3542 fear of hearing the truth. Well they are blinded. They should hear and be free from bondage of lies. For the truth will set them free.
The woman walked into speakers corner with holes drilled into the quran 🤣 now that is a hell of a brave woman🔥🔥🔥
Mike Chua The main thing that tells me Christianity is true, in true primitive Christianity (The original 1st century church) We are servants to each other and to The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. Any Christian who’s faith is true does not fear death, and as we all become more like Christ on earth we are ready to sacrifice our lives for each other, even to save the soul or life of another as long as that sacrifice is not in vain. It is never about us.
I get upset when I hear preachers today say all you have to do is pray hard enough and have enough faith and God will grant you what you ask for. What I call the warm and fuzzy congregations. It isn’t about what we want. But I have found out God will always give us what we need.
All the other religions I researched for years, it was the exact opposite, it was gain for the individual, what is in it for me, whether it is power and control, material rewards, social status etc.... , for the muslim the prayer is a hey look how devout I am, some get callouses on their foreheads and show it with pride, look at all I do for my rewards in Jenna.
God Bless sister Hatun.
What an excellent peice, I wish Muslim can be sincere to themselves on this issue of holes in the standard narative
agree...Self-deception is the worst deception.
He put the interview back up minus the last 30 mins
It does not matter, even if you destroyed all the manuscripts of the Qadhi interview, so many Christian apologists have memorized it at this point they could rewrite it word for word, letter for letter. It has been perfectly preserved up to today.
Yashir Qadhi has abrogated himself from the social media. ☝️
Muhammad (Police Be Upon Him) is not happy with Dr. Yasir Qadhi!!!
Lol
Police be upon him for child abuse
The paedophile is in hell,arrested and detained by the angels of the most high
you can stop saying PBUH your not a muslim.
@@ebulleytheophilus3054 he said police.. Not peace
No lie can live forever.
The Quran is on holey ground.... I mean, the Quran is on sheikhy ground.... that is, Islam has taken a 'deep dive.'
Awesome work!!! More people need to be aware of this. Good work Dr. Smith.
Great presentation. Appreciate your hard work 👌❤️
We Learned History of Islam from Jay Smiths Hard work ...🙂
Islamic scholars who cud get away with lies for years are having a meltdown right now bcoz of the legendary work of jay smith and david wood. May muslims see the light and move out of the darkness of islam.
Please remember, that while David, Colin, Al Fadi and I have helped to highlight these difficulties in the Qur'an, it is Hatun who was the one who saw the problem first, and then single-handedly brought it to the world's attention back in 2016. The 'Holes in the Narrative' argument is really hers and hers alone. We must give credit where credit it due.
@@pfanderfilms Yes Jay..Admire Hatuns courage and initiative. I m so glad see your reply. I listen to you and David a lot since past 5 years. God bless you all.
@@pfanderfilms Cheers to our beloved Sister Hatun for her initial contribution to this entire episode. The major credit has to go to M. Hijab for asking questions never to be asked. Qadhi was very diplomatic but a deep hole had been dug.
Dr Jay I love these teaching videos! Thanks!
The SHAME of this is, you KNOW that the modern scholars ALL have access to this information, but they CHOOSE to lie to their people about this! How PROFOUNDLY sad.
They lie to save their jobs. Unfortunately, the Abduls are mentally lazy to do independent study. 🤷♂️ The Quoran forbids asking questions.
yo sister...worst - Allah is the best of deceivers...they only think of the 72 virgins...but never ask whether it is Reality or Fantasy.
That's the way of Islam.
I wish there was a Movie or Cartoon anime about this - the real islam
'Doctor Vater' Dr. Jay Smith...what a pleasure!
This is a fantastic overview of the issue. Thanks a lot for your work Dr. Smith.
Maybe we should just release a complete Quran Box-set with a DIY interpretation kit?
Well since it was said that they are all the Qur'an: It is your duty to take them all and chop, cut and restitch it together in your own recension. You too can be Uthmanic.
the truth bright like a sunshine in the noon
Go's bless you and your family Dr Jay Smith thanks for your work and for sister Hatun stay safe and healthy
Even more significant will be June 8 2024 , 100 years since Hafs Quran was adopted and all the rest thrown in the River Nile. I was always wondering why the fish in the Nile make noise 5 times each day.
Hahaha I see what you did there about the fish and the noise
Thank you Jay for your work and ministry 🙏🏽
SHE IS AMAZING,I AM IN TORONTO AND ONE DAY I WANT TO VISIT LONDON JUST TO MEET HER.
God bless jay .
Please translate this into Indian languages like Malayalam Tamil Kannada Telugu Hindi Marathi Bengali Panjabi Kashmiri etc you can educate more than one and a half billion people living in the Indian subcontinent. Thanks 👍
Just translate and do a voice over.
Thank you Dr Smith. Just a comment on the Qureishi dialect that Muslims claim originated in the Hihaz region. If we look at the research being undertaken by Mel from Sneaker’s Corner based on revisionists’ studies, there is a valid theory that Qureish came out of Iraq/Persia territory as “Koresh” was the arabised name of the emperor Cyrus.
The Abbasids (and Umayyads) who most likely were originally from Central Asia ruled from Baghdad from 750. They invented the history of Islam and fabricated much of the tradition we now know; which includes claiming that Muhammad was from the tribe Qureish in Mecca etc etc. Authors of the Qira’aat, the Hadith and tradition such as Bukhari, Al Tabari and Al Tirmithi plus many others came out of Central Asia.
So in a way when Uthman says that he only wanted to keep the Qureishi dialect maybe he was meaning the Qureish of Central Asia?
Thank you again.
Absolutely, you've got it correct
@PfanderFilms thank you dear Dr Smith for your reply. Appreciate all the work that you do.
Thank you Mr. Smith to reveal the true moral of Islam. The world still needs education to handle this dangerous barbaric cult.
Good job Dr. Smith! God bless🙏
Jay, you say you'd rather be working on another topic. But this is better than qiblas, better than coins, better than even no historical Mohammed. This is where the action is.
Yes, but my passion is the 7th century, and what really happened then. Nonetheless, because of Hatun, we have to unpack and help explain just why there is no preserved Qur'an...so I'm willing to spend some time on this question.
@@pfanderfilms, It's lethal to Islam. If it turns out that the Quran is a "mini Bible" in the sense of exhibiting the same manuscript corruption as the Bible, only to a different degree, the "moral high ground" is lost, and -- even worse -- claims of "preservation", if taken literally, will be exposed as a lie.
1, Qaloon Qur'an 2, Al- susi(ibn-katheer) Qur'an 3,Khaled QUR'AN 4,Idrees QUR'AN 5,warsh Qur'an 6, Hafs Ad- Dury (Abu - Amro alBasri) QUR'AN
7,Al- Laith QUR'AN 8,Al- Bazzi Qur'an 9,Al- Azraq QUR'AN 10,As - Susi (Abu Amro alBasri) QUR'AN 11,Ad - Dury(alkisa'i) QUR'AN 12, Ibn shanboodh Qur'an 13,Al- Asbahaani QUR'AN 14,Hisham QUR'AN
15,Ibn Dhakwan QUR'AN 16,Isa BinWardan QUR'AN 17,Sulayman QUR'AN
18, Ibn Jammaz QUR'AN 19,Ahmad bin Farah QUR'AN 20,Qunbul Qur'an
21,Showba QUR'AN 22, Ruwais QUR'AN 23,Shujaa' bin Abi Nasr Al- Balakhi QUR'AN 24, Abu Amro Al -Ala QUR'AN 25,Hafs QUR'AN 1924 Cairo edition 26, Ruh QUR'AN 27, Al- Dury(Al Hasan AlBasri) QUR'AN
28, Hafs Al - Dury(ibn kathir) QUR'AN 29,khalf QUR'AN30,Ishaq QUR'AN
31,Al Hasan bin Said Al- Matuu'l QUR'AN 32, Abu- Farah Al- Shan - budhi QUR'AN 33,Ibn Masud QUR'AN 34,Ubai kab QUR'AN 35, Ibn Abbas QUR'AN 36,Abu Musa QUR'AN 37,Hafs QUR'AN 1982 edition 38, Sana QUR'AN
Thanks Peter, that's helpful!
@@pfanderfilms Jay not me but I copyed the info as found it interesting and passed on
@irishxxkelt love that list 😊👍
Thanks Jay!
Yes, he is trying to keep the muslim from learning the truth. Why???.
So, Muslims made their selections without Mohammad and jibril, since we learned that jibril has to physically appear to Mohammad to deliver the Quran, so 7 different Quran in 22 years then the for how many years. Thank you LORD JESUS for our salvation....amen.
AWSOME PRESENTATION! GREAT JOB. Thank you for all your research. Amen.
Thank you!
And thank you Islamic Clarity for the clarity you are bringing to this whole area of research. I love your channel! Keep it up!
@@pfanderfilms Thank you sir! You are a pioneer in all of this, so it's truly an honor to hear that. When history looks back on all this, you will be remembered.
Is there a site where I can look at the differences of the quran?
I wonder though. What does all this mean for the university level? Will this be published in Europe Schools? Will there ever be a public discussion about this in Media? For some reason i really doubt this.. which drives me crazy mad.
Gbu Jay.
Too good Jay..hoo too to to..😊
wish there were time stamps on these topics noted below. too long - skipped.
[1] What do modern Muslim Leaders Claim?
[2] The 30 Diacritical Variants Defined
[3] The 30 ‘Official’ Variant Qur’ans
[4] How the Qira’ats were formed
[5] Were there more than 30 Qira’ats?
[6] A Look at some Qira’at Variants
[7] Comparing Hafs with Warsh
[8] The 1924 Hafs Canonized Text
[9] How the Hafs Canonized Text was Chosen
My apologies Kon Tiki. I'm only one person. I don't have a team helping me. If you can put the time stamps, that would help all of us greatly. Blessings
I would have loved to add time stamps but I just cannot add it in your descriptions for everyone to see since i cannot edit your descriptions. If i add as my comments, there is only a small likely chance that others might see it.
The reason why i am asking you to add time stamps is because, i thought most of your videos would make nice reference materials.
Thx. for your reply though.
@@Soothsayer210 you can add the timestamps and he pins your comments
Sir you're doing great always love your messages. Please upload soft copies of each copy. Thanks.
God bless u d/r
Thank u
qhadis JUST WAS RETURNED TO DEVELOP A NEW STRATEGY
Thank you pfander films to keep the interview between yasir & hijab. it is wonder that if you find that what you believe is wrong and question it &leave if not get answers.we are in 21st century. We as a human must have critical thinking otherwise we are a failure as human!.
How can we get the presentation by Dr. Bernie Power. Pls
You'll have to contact him, I'm afraid. My apologies
@@pfanderfilms, God bless you. Jay Smith
We have had 2 shahads tonight..... Jamia madrassa UK Leeds..... SubhanAllah... Keep on burning disbelievers you are the fuel for the fire
You can ask the shaitan yourself soon lol
Jay your work is brilliant but, you are still looking academically at these texts. All remember that Church and State started to split in 1517 with Martin Luther's translation of the Bible followed by William Tyndale's English translation to be followed by his death for Heresy in 1536 he was 42. What our problem is the Theocratic use of the Quran in Theocratic Countries as well as using the Hadiths and Reliance of the Traveller to enforce Sharia (Law) on its citizens.
@ Boris S. : Why not use Martin Luther's translation or William Tyndale's English translation of the Bible? Why use the King James approved translation which is State approved translation of a Church book?
I love the work these guys do, but when the title says explained simply, and the video is almost 2 hours long, that is not simple. 🤣🤣🤣
Believe me, it is such a detailed subject, with so many historical problems, that it takes at least 2 hours, of what normally is communicated in 2 days of lecturing. You are getting the 'abridged' version here, and I hope it helps.
PfanderFilms Oh I know. Was just making a funny. I would like the powerpoint of the Historical Critique of Islam’s Creation if that is possible, Video you posted about 5 months ago. My email is in my channels about if you are able to send it. Thanks for all you guys do and God Bless! I’m getting into this video now.
@@pfanderfilms
Your video is full of errors.
Jason Bourne Please enlighten us. Point out all the “errors”
@@jasonbourne2255 this video has more truth than a book so many people claim as a holy preserved book
I believe in the Holey Quran
I believe in the Holy Bible
June 8 ; Hole-y Day🕳🕳🕳🕳
Hello Jay, thanks for a lot of information!
As I was looking through the 30 (10+20) readers and transmitters I found that Khalaf was a transmitter of Hamzah but later got chosen by al-Jazari as a reader. I also found that Al-Duri both is a transmitter for Al-Kisa'i (Kufa) as well as for Abu 'Amr ibn al-'Ala' (Basra). Are Khalaf's versions different as a reader and as a transmitter? Are Al-Duri's two transmissions different? Do you understand how this comes together?
The qur'an trans mission resembles a schoolyard of teen agers....full of rumours and back biting...
After a recent interview with Br. Muhammad Hijab, some missionaries and anti-Muslim propagandists have read their own prejudices into our very brief discussion. Some of them have twisted my words to suit their agenda. While Muslim scholarship has pioneered Quranic studies for centuries and continues to do so, the fact remains that we all agree on the demonstrably proven fact that the Quran has been preserved in its entirety, word for word, and that we believe that all of the ten recitations (qira'āt) of the Quran are revealed from Allah. To see such Islamophobes try to read in an argument that no one amongst us ever made in order to prove their incorrect narrative is only demonstrating the unethical tactics they resort to.
They choose hause because hause is the greatest liers of all the other writers of the holely koren
Hopeless is the word to describe the untenable position they have: To be seeking to maintain for reasons of what they describe as their faith driven by that mantra, just one always just one forever just one I know it is just one, I been told only one forever one even if I have to put them all into just one there is only one ever and only one please don't ask me why, there is only one, oup oup oup, Red Line Oup, Oup, Oup, Only One Ever!!!!
Yes, I find it a bit amusing Muslims are either afraid or really unable to understand the many-in-one concept. I used examples in everyday life to illustrate to a Muslim fellow that entities such as country, team, family etc.. are referred to in singular term and yet everyone understands that they contain more than one member. So for Christians to say we indeed worship one God but that God is triune is analogous to a soldier pledging allegiance to his country, that is one country that contains many citizens. I don't see anything illogical about that concept. My Muslim interlocutor rejected my analogy by saying the entities I used were not found in the Old Testament of the Bible! I didn't bother to reply to such irrational response. Muslim mindset is locked and I think the only way is to pray that God will somehow unlock their mind one day so they can see the light.
It is an interesting 🧐 topic: The Bible vs Bible (Numeric and Linguistic errors).
You're commenting on wrong video buddy 🤣🤣🤣
If a message has to find reform it was never honest in the first place
I meant remaining qara'ats for how many years?
If the Quran has existed with "Allah" in Eternity past then it must be "co-eternal" with Allah. I thought Allah had no partners??? Hmmmm
Alasdair Maclean Yea, I brought this up in another thread, along with Allah’s spirit being separate and with him in some verses. The muslim who responded slammed things in reverse. “No Allah created the Quran!” How? it’s his word, it’s always existed with Allah. Most really do not know their own book.
@@truthinchristapologetics3542 I noticed that with Muslims. They claim that the Quran is Allah's word but they don't pay it no mind and instead raise they're late Hadiths over it
Alasdair Maclean Not always, lately when it’s something embarrassing like Aisha, or Muhammad being covered in semen stains (Yes that’s in the Hadith to) they claim the Hadiths are not trustworthy. I even had one tell me the Hadith were written by men that want to ruin Muhammad’s reputation. Then they change the subject when you remind them Sahih means correct/right in Arabic. And also Bukhari is considered the most sacred after the Quran. In Mosques it is the only Hadith on the shelf beside the Quran.
Excellent observation
According to Allah.
1. he preserved the Qur'an
2. Qur'an is a miracle preserved through man.
3. Allah gave the Jews the Torah and Christians the Gospel.
4. But Allah couldn't preserve those two.
5. So Allah is now angry with Jews and Christians for "his" mistake that he wants to make war with us.
??????? Why???????
Greek Bible mention Muhammad name in Revelation chapter 13:18, Greek number 666 is Muhammad name.
Well then you have a problem, because the bible states that the 666 is the number of the beast (or, in other words, the anti-christ)
Do you have the powerpoints for this available somewhere for download?
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Are there any passages that have multiple attestation in other passages and contradict the hafs. It would be cool to see not just that the Hafs and other vary, but to see that the Hafs has a minority view amongst all the manuscripts.
Keep reporting on this.
GOD bless Hatun!
I don't know why we can't just get along. Christianity and Islam have so much in common!
1) We both believe in one God.
2)We both have a holy book.
3) Jesus got crucified and his wrists had holes in them. The narrative of the perfect preservation of the quran has holes in it.
Al-Furqan al-Haqq Except Muhammed was a warlord but Jesus was not!
@@icequeen8531 Read my third point very carefully. You'll see I'm actually the troll of trolls.
Who says we don't get along. We just don't believe in the most essential areas of our truth claims. You are correct, Jesus had holes in his hands and feet, for you. I'm also excited to see you finally agree that the Qur'an has holes in it as well. That is the whole point of the video above. Come on home.
@@christiangadfly24 I C what you did there 😉😆
Little Hatun ended Islam. Similar to little Jewish lady ended Mohammad.
The only unchanged verses of the Quran are the ones the goat ate 🐐...the verses about Adult Breastfeeding and Stoning...any whereabouts of that goat 🐐?
Q: Where is the real Quran?
A: may the real quran please stand up; please stand up.
Amen
I'm older than this book😂
It's regrettable to notice, with great concern that Allah should have been confused by now. He's ''supposed'' to ask and squeeze Mohammed (no more Pbuh) into reciting only one Quran but how come Hafs, Warsh, Uthmani- Kaloon, Ibn Amir, Ibn Katir, Al Kisaï, Tajweed Shoba, Abdullah Al- Kalaf and 20 + others have come to ''recite'' the one and only ''preserved words of Allah?'' Corruption? As usual? Even with Jibril? Perhaps? How come Inspector Jay Smith discovered this ''Hole corruption'' 1400 years later? Something is not clear here.
08.06.2020
Bank holiday for the world 🌍
they cant handle the truth
I had a great laugh when Hatun was in speakers corner with holes drilled in the quran
There are many holes in the narrative, but the biggest is that 200 year gap!
Please, Dr. Jay, Dr. Al-Fadi, Dr. David Wood. Mr. Dan Gibson, START TO ARABIC SUBTITLE ALL YOUR VIDEOS because here in the ME we are still away from this dilemma as Dr. Quadi said in his video with Hegab. PLEASE
Mumtaz, I'm just one person, all alone, so don't have the time nor the energy, but you do. So, why don't you Arabize the videos, and put them up on a channel you create for other Arabic speakers.
@@pfanderfilms Thank you for replying, but it will be so dangerous to do that from here in Egypt!
Iam a muslim, i enjoy your sense of humor though. Anyway May Allah lead you to his path, please be well and stay safe :)
Allah; the moon 🌙 god of the quarish tribe . One of the 360gods of the kabah
Well, now that's one of the nicest things any Muslim has ever told me. You are indeed a rarity, and a 'breath of fresh air'. May God bless you richly Juad!
@@pfanderfilms Defiantly one of the best statements.
Why would Shia Muslims care what a Saudi king decreed about standardizing the Koran?
Prince Phillip is older than the Koran.
This info is damaging🤤!!!
Well truth hurts bruh.
Stronghold called Islam is being demolished. Keep on heating. One day it will collapse.
How can anyone believe Muhammad was a profit ?
How does it matter whether any holy book is perfectly preserved or not. It should guide the followers to a peaceful life
Ah but does it. That will be part of unpacking what one of the seven Hafs speaks to.
The only reason people are dismantling the idea of perfect preservation is becasue Muslims LOVE to say that it is and is considered a big reason to be Muslim.
@@YamnayaSintash So right. They hang on that, but it is sand under their feet in the surf.... or on the dune as the wind blows. There's a song in that some where... and that some where..... over.... the....
Big hole....? Justice for women....
It's almost like Islam promotes double-think..............
He was just assuming that the one that teached by ibn mujahid was not the 7 qiraats...when he knows that this qiraat is already exists at the time of proohet Muhammad.. it was being taught at that time.
He is also assuming that the students of ibn mujahid was teaching different qiraat .when he already know that they are the student of ibn mujahid..it is so obvious that what his student was teaching is from their teacher ibn mujahid.
And these students teaches what their teacher has teached them..you wont just say that those students teached different than what their teacher has taught.
Also they are not chosen because the other students have is not the original QUR'AN..it was chosen because it was just popular to others..just like what happened to hafs and warsh...they are just popular..but it doesnt mean that what the other students have is wrong..they are all correct..but there are just some become popular...also the other students Qiraat have.. was not threw out because they are not canon or that they are not original QUR'AN..it was just what most popular..and so the other just gradually died out.
How could he not understand that..and he said he is an ex-Muslim. Even me not a scholar could understand and he cant???🤦♀️🤦♀️
But the dots and qira'at didn't even exist and wasn't invented until much later! So how can Muslims claim that not a single dot has changed?
Catholics: so you know Jesus says you have to eat him.
Protestants: our bible is perfect and our interpretation is the only one there is and it clearly isn't a literal book when it bothers us.
Both of them are trinitarians (false christians)
Protestants: the Perfect Eternal Word of God is Jesus...we have no problem.
No infallible words of Popes.
I find all this absolutely fascinating. Such a huge gap between "official" islamic thesis and réality.
However, how do I know Jay Smith is not making everything up ? How can I trust an Evangelist's stance since it would be in his own interest to annihilate islam's official narrative ? How do I know Jay's evidences are not fake or at the very least slightly twisted ?
I strongly question Islam but I'm also quite critical of Christian roots as well (my roots).
Hey! Im a born muslim and Id like to help you I wont force you of course but Ill give you a ton of proof Ive found about Islam Id love to share my experience of almost becoming an ex muslim with you!
I'll also explain all the fabricated lies Ive found in Christianity I have a whole list lol
@@flairluna5077 yes, can you explain the fabricated lies about Christianity ? I think I already know them but always interested in finding new ones.
The further I dig into religions the more I realize how artificial they are. Spirituality is WAY beyond religious fairy tales and politics. What truly matters is what we will become once we die. Really. And that, nobody really knows. They can bring up all the gilded lettered books they want and all the mad stories about the sea being divided and what not, that’s not telling me what kind of reality we’ll live in the next life.
I am sick of religions. All religions.
@@abccba1971 Sure Ill show you give me one of your social medias? Any of them I have 101 reasons written down lol and I promise I will show u all the reasons I believe in islam and why I suggest it to you without forcing you
@@abccba1971 Youll be very very surprised
The truth shall prevail upon the muslims and the might call to Jesus and God will hear them
im not schoalr but i knew this diffrent ahraf thats not effecting quran the quran was reveld in 7 letters
Emotional damage 💣🤯😂
Hatun also originated the coins argument did she not?
No, that was my argument, which I first introduced back in the 1990s, though I taught her them around 2014, but then perfected the arguments in the last 9 months, once I was contacted by and did research with the Numismatists.
I testify that the holy Quran is preserved. Even if it has the different accent/recitation like what you called the "qirat". Wasnt it has the same meaning?.
Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، أَخْبَرَنَا مَالِكٌ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ عُرْوَةَ بْنِ الزُّبَيْرِ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ عَبْدٍ الْقَارِيِّ، أَنَّهُ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ عُمَرَ بْنَ الْخَطَّابِ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ هِشَامَ بْنَ حَكِيمِ بْنِ حِزَامٍ، يَقْرَأُ سُورَةَ الْفُرْقَانِ عَلَى غَيْرِ مَا أَقْرَؤُهَا، وَكَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَقْرَأَنِيهَا، وَكِدْتُ أَنْ أَعْجَلَ عَلَيْهِ، ثُمَّ أَمْهَلْتُهُ حَتَّى انْصَرَفَ، ثُمَّ لَبَّبْتُهُ بِرِدَائِهِ فَجِئْتُ بِهِ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقُلْتُ إِنِّي سَمِعْتُ هَذَا يَقْرَأُ عَلَى غَيْرِ مَا أَقْرَأْتَنِيهَا، فَقَالَ لِي أَرْسِلْهُ ". ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُ " اقْرَأْ ". فَقَرَأَ. قَالَ " هَكَذَا أُنْزِلَتْ ". ثُمَّ قَالَ لِي " اقْرَأْ ". فَقَرَأْتُ فَقَالَ " هَكَذَا أُنْزِلَتْ. إِنَّ الْقُرْآنَ أُنْزِلَ عَلَى سَبْعَةِ أَحْرُفٍ فَاقْرَءُوا مِنْهُ مَا تَيَسَّرَ "."
Narrated `Umar bin Al-Khattab:
I heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to that of mine. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) had taught it to me (in a different way). So, I was about to quarrel with him (during the prayer) but I waited till he finished, then I tied his garment round his neck and seized him by it and brought him to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and said, "I have heard him reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me." The Prophet (ﷺ) ordered me to release him and asked Hisham to recite it. When he recited it, Allah s Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way." He then asked me to recite it. When I recited it, he said, "It was revealed in this way. The Qur'an has been revealed in seven different ways, so recite it in the way that is easier for you."
Sahih al-Bukhari 2419
In-book : Book 44, Hadith 9
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 3, Book 41, Hadith 601 (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari
Yes I know there is different way for reciting the Quran. But at the end it has the same meaning. So what's the point debating regarding to this matter.
Watch the video and look at the differences we show you, and then see if they all have the same meaning. We only showed about 10-11, yet there are over 93,000 differences between just the 29 different Qira'ats and the Hafs version. Have you looked at any of them?
Even if it have different words in one verse, the essence meaning of the verse of the Quran is still the same.
@@quranrepository3323 Look at the examples we give above and tell me honestly whether the essence of the meaning are the same. None of them are the same, as they change practices, doctrines and even beliefs in some cases. And those are only 10-11 examples of over 93,000 we have found so far!
Uthman was the author of the Koran
When you add in the other work being done you end up with another hole - there is no Uthman.
The Quran in Heaven might be in Hebrew.
@Qui Creva Sp I was joking.
@@innominatusambrosius7103 maybe you're right😂😂😂😂😂😂 or in Chinese😲
@@zanelemkhize6987 maybe
@Qui Creva oh?
Correction - in Hell
Wanna see you debate. Richard carrier or bart ehrman! Forget islam
Sorry, not my area of expertise, and there are many more capable than myself who have already debated them and debunked them pretty effectively.
Mslms always wanna debate, not establish truth. They serve the god of oratory & sophistry (ref Eve & the serpent). They are of their father the devil
Everything in Islam was fabricated: books, history, traditions,... When a doctrine is artificially built on such a scale, there is no escaping incoherencies, anachronisms, discrepancies and contradictions. Mua'wia, the first Arab caliph historically documented was most probably Nestorian, the first "Muslims" were not actually Muslims, they were drafted by the Nazoreans (judeo-christian sect) to retake Jerusalem, the Quran was their preaching tool, they used it to mobilize the Hagarenes. This is why so much of the Talmud is found in the Quran. Later on the Nazorean doctrine(Jesus a prophet not a god, only one Gospel: the Gospel of the Hebrews, circumcision...) was remodeled by the Abbasids to become what we call Islam by adding Mandean rites (Fasting a month, 5 prayers...) and pagan rites to sever themselves from the Nazoraean doctrine, the mother of Islam. That's when the sira was handcrafted, the Islamic tradition was created with its hadiths and history was completely rewritten to hide the true origins of Islam. This is why the majority of early Muslim scholars are not from Arabia but from Central Asia like al-Bukhari, Muslim, at-Tirmidhi, at-Tabari...
What happens to people that never heard the name of Jesus? Or before his human birth.
They live, they die like everyone else
@Soy el coipo @somatotrophin It is not anything that might be said or not said, heard or not heard, the choice does not belong to any human Who gets in and never will. Even the Muslims know that what they do to the letter does not even allow them to know if they get to paradise. As far as the Gospel of the Master is He paid in full for you the choice is yours to choice Him. It has and will always be on a personal level what choice is made. You can never point to someone else and say what about them? You are still responsible for what you choose. No one can choose for you. It is always at this personal level you find that choice. It is for you to decide what you will choose. Once the choice is made you are left to move on that pathway of life. We all die. How will you live is part of that choice. I choose to live on His way, truth and that life.
Gilbert Jones I choose to die and then it is all over....
@@somatotrophin1535 Do you mean that you wish death as your end? We all die. How one lives is the challenge.
Gilbert Jones Yep, death and then it is all over. Life is a load of BS....
KFV1985 only - - - all the way baby!!! (King Fahd Version 1985)....