We are not getting tired but love what you do, i am ex Muslim and I got help from you and I’m sure so many others are getting help. Thank you Dr Jay and thank you for sharing 🙏 God bless you abundantly 😇
@@benyameenyitzhak1036 In lords Eyes , Who are all in Christ are one and Same There is No Orthodox or selected . Everyone are Equal in lords eyes , But Redemption Depends on the path The people Choose...
@NYC125street I believe both as Paul was an apostle of Jesus. If you think Paul conflicts with Jesus, show me the passages that you compare for your analysis. Who was Muhammad? He never met Jesus, nor spoke to his disciples. He conflicted with the mission of Jesus and distorted what Jesus's apostles taught us.
I'm not getting tired, but it's best that Jay put it systematically in a book. One reads faster than watching TV. And books is easier to flip to search which part one wants to know.
ExMuslim for ten years - based on issues IN the Qur'an - but I hadn't fully grasped then there were so many issues ABOUT the Qur'an. Thank you for these posts.
How would they know they chose the "best of the best", if they didn't have an ORIGINAL to work with? Hahahahah! I always get a chuckle about Islamic logic.
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They never had an original that lasted longer than the campfire that it was spoken around. They had a gist but everyone walked away with his own variation. When it became apparent that this was a fabrication that even Muhammad varied, Muhammad invented the ahruf excuse. Later Muslims invented the Qiraat excuse. Later the doctrine of "perfect preservation" was invented after Uthman standardized the quran. The problem is they have been trying to cap the genie in the bottle ever since.
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@HB Net Everything Islam tells us about Muhammad and the Quran is questionable. If you find some wisdom in the pages of the Quran, good for you, but as a reliable religion that is truthful about itself, God or salvation? Look elsewhere.
These recitations, if you were to write them down with arabic letters, would all be exactly the same, but there are different ways of pronouncing it, which is why you have the different recitations. However, they are all valid, as the prophet read with these variations and approved of them, and they reached us through tawatur (i.e through so many chains of narration it is impossible that they could have been fabricated).
@@misterlogik8163 Hi, thank you for showing interest in the religion of Islam. I would love to answer all your questions but what you have done is fired a load of over a dozen questions at me at once, which cannot all be answered in a TH-cam comment. Some of your objections are also very vague so if you could narrow them down that would be great. For example your objection of Islam not being compatible with any other belief system could be a two hour debate itself. Also your claim of the quran being written 200 to 300 years after the prophet Muhammad is incorrect, I think what you meant to say was hadeeth, not Qur'an.
Thanks again, Dr. Smith. I am constantly amazed at the new revelations you present about the Quran and Muhammad. Now, we're up to 37 Arabic Qurans? I'm wondering how many more are out there.
Thank you Jay, I am a Christian, born, raised and lived in Pakistan. I been listening to all these lies told by Muslim immams and apologist. Thank you for bringing out the truth. I wish I could translate all this in Urdu and present it to Pakistanis.. God bless you
@@agengsatya96 If that story is fake that means almost everything in the hadiths cant be trusted as truth. If the sahil (authentic) hadiths are full of lies then we cant believe the stories of the angel giving mohammed 7 styles of recitations. muslims cant just pick and chose, That is y qadri said there are holes in there narative. There are physically more than 30 different aranic qurans today, how is 30=1 ? this is not including the numerous different arabic msnuscript.
Dear Dr.Jay Smith I praise God for you and your passionate research. May God give good health and divine wisdom and protection. Always praying for you.
WOW! What wonderful work you are doing Sir, God bless you and your work. If you didn't watch to end of the video you won't understand so I urge you watch it full. Means the work of Uthman becomes useless not the Quraysh dialect quran 90% of Muslims are using despite the effort of Uthman to make in Muhammad's dialect.
Oh noo Dr Smith, we are Not getting tired of all the information. Im just glad that we have champions like you and your team doing the kind of research that test the foundations of the claimed faith. Pray that God may use it to better equip us to reach out and confront the claims ! Thank you so much and be encouraged this work is not in vain! Yours in His service.
Dr Jay Smith please continue with these!! There are so useful! Do not stop! Keep them coming.. So men wrote the quran? I thought it was Allah? Word for Word? Never changed? God bless you Jay!
I've been looking more into Warsh and his translation, while not the "original", at least makes more grammatical and thematic sense. Not to mention he is from Medina. Why on earth would they choose Hafs over Warsh? Lmao
Not his Quran, it was the Quran in the custody of Ummul Mumineen Hazrat Hafsah, given to her by her own father Hazrat Umar RaziAllahu A'nhu that Muslims accept. It was copied by Hazrat Usman Ghani RaziAllahu A'nhu and these copies were sent to the then Muslim Governors as the standard copies of Quran as the authentic reference.
@@SyedAhmed-hc5vm None of those copies exist. All of the translations are from people repeating what they heard. Check any of them and you will find it says "the quran according to so and so, according to so and so, according to so and so, all the way back. Uthman made his copy, but it didn't match the others, so he burned them. His copy doesn't exist. - You've been lied to.
Ok Jay, maybe as the next step let's see when and where all the hadiths, tafsir, sirah or whatever 'extra' explanations that are needed to support the understanding of the Quran were actually written - and by whom ? Because I hear many of them are couched in the terms of "it was narrated by ....." By just whom and just when and to whom and how were these sayings about the intimate details of daily life of this prophet recorded and preserved ? That must be another very traceable timeline, right?
Ha ha.... so for you this is something like a rifts... it is clear these variation are only in the recitation or qiraat... which does not change the meaning of the words... this is only to cater to the tongue of the arabs at that time. 😅😂. By the way what ever they burn is not different quran its only variation in the recitation marks or signs... certainly you will not find rift in the quran.
Scholars Differ There is a difference of opinion among classical Muslim scholars on the subject of the 'seven modes', to the extent that one of them was able to say: 'the degree of difference of opinion (iktilaf) among the scholars is to the extent of 35 sayings'. {footnote 46} different opinions are that the 'seven modes' - Different languages (dialects) current among the Arabs at the time of revelation, such as e.g. Qura'sh, Hudhayl, Tamin, etc., who had different ways of pronunciation, which could even affect the spelling, - It may also be the usage of words from the different languages in the Qur'an (this is considered one of the most sound views). - Usage of synonyms in the Qur'an, i.e. that a variety of expressions describe one and the same concept. A well known example is Sura 101:5, which reads differently in another version both meaning 'like carded wool'. The word read in place of (Sura 1:6), etc. {footnote 48} - Different aspects of the revelation, such as e.g. order, prohibitions, promise, narrations, etc. - Seven differences, such as possible ways of reading words and structures in the Qur'an, e.g. the word 'trusts' in 23:8 which can be read both 'trust' (sg.) or 'trusts' (pl.) according to the plain text without vowels. - Slightly different wording of a particular passage, such as e.g. in 9:100: 'Gardens under which rivers flow' which some read as 'Gardens from under which rivers flow' adding the word 'from' (min) to the text. - Different ways of pronunciation as they have been explained in great detail by the scholars of qira'a (recitation) such as e.g. Click to View , etc. {footnote 49}". (Ulum, p. 115 von denfer
Dr Smith please join this timeline(history of the Quran) with the writing of the Hadiths. Because of the nature of the Quran. Contradictory and incoherent etc they needed the Hadiths to prop the Quran. Please consider simultaneously examining both the Quran and the Hadiths. Thanks
Dear Jay, Please continue with your videos. They are eye openers and propagate truth. We eagerly wait for your new videos. You are a treasure to be preserved.
if jesus died for their sin then why some people still go to hell by the bible? god gave numerous proofs but people choose to believe other people instead of god.god sent the first prophets to israel and they changed the torah then sent jesus pbuh and they made him a god even if the bible itself denies it if The bible is a witness on its own changing by humans. jesus is not God by the bible itself- God is capable of everything right? lets assume he split himslef to three than jesus who is himslef God in flesh calls God my God Matthew 27:46 and worships God in Matthew 26:39 and even if you say that nonsense of even if jesus is God he dont make himslef equal to the father then the bible says God is not a man Numbers 23:19 and that jesus is a man 1 Timothy 2:5. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; the bible god then sent mohamed pbuh with the quran where god gave clear proofs 1.The prefontal cortex role lying and mistake:* ناصية كاذبة خاطئة 2.God stated the seven layers of atmosphere and each does something: What, do you disbelieve in Him who created the earth(the for ground is the same in arabic for ground) in two days, and do you set up compeers to Him? That is the Lord of all Being. And He set therein firm mountains over it, and He blessed it, and He ordained therein its diverse sustenance in four days, equal to those who ask.' Then He lifted Himself to heaven when it was smoke(reffering to primordial smoke) and said to it and to the earth, "Come willingly, or unwillingly!" They said, "We come willingly." So He determined them as seven heavens(the word for hevean is the same for sky in arabic) in two days, and revealed its commandment in every heaven.' So he means seven skies inside the earth and each has its commandment plus god answers the question did he make the earth in six days:no because in the first 2 days there were no sky so no night and morning(a day) so god means a period using the word day. 3.the pharoh didnt die in the sea with moses pbuh watching just look for ramses 2 body its pharaoh body that stayed the same like weirdly the same as god stated So today We shall deliver thee with thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those after thee. Surely many men are heedless of Our signs.' the big bang The Day when We will fold the heaven like the folding of a [written] sheet for the records. As We began the first creation, We will repeat it. [That is] a promise binding upon Us. Indeed, We will do it. superionic water discoverd in 2019:And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place. water with extreme tempreture becomes black and not liquide not solid. homo habilis (habil is the one of the children of adam) homo habilis lived 2 million years ago was found with equipment next the fossils and are the second humans after the ''animal evolution'' mistake of scientist darwin 4.sperm and fetus devlepment excatly.ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ ۚ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ 5.dinasaurs died because of black smoke that blocked the sun in the day of judgment the same will happen( the day the sky will be black smoke is mentionned in the quran). يَوْمَ تَكُونُ السَّمَاءُ كَالْمُهْلِ /فَارْتَقِبْ يَوْمَ تَأْتِي السَّمَاءُ بِدُخَانٍ مُّبِينٍ 6.chock waves in the day of judgment when explosion of sun.يوم تمور اسماء مورا 7. nasa scientist noticed loosing eye seight when going to space . وَلَوْ فَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِم بَابًا مِّنَ السَّمَاءِ فَظَلُّوا فِيهِ يَعْرُجُونَ (14) لَقَالُوا إِنَّمَا سُكِّرَتْ أَبْصَارُنَا بَلْ نَحْنُ قَوْمٌ مَّسْحُورُونَ 8.olive tree oil has on of the highest lights (seen with UV) scientifique miracle شَجَرَةٍ مُّبَارَكَةٍ زَيْتُونَةٍ لَّا شَرْقِيَّةٍ وَلَا غَرْبِيَّةٍ يَكَادُ زَيْتُهَا يُضِيءُ وَلَوْ لَمْ تَمْسَسْهُ نَارٌ 11.ants and bees communication 12.crows understand death 14.internal waves quran أَوْ كَظُلُمَاتٍ فِي بَحْرٍ لُّجِّيٍّ يَغْشَاهُ مَوْجٌ مِّن فَوْقِهِ مَوْجٌ مِّن فَوْقِهِ سَحَابٌ ۚ ظُلُمَاتٌ بَعْضُهَا فَوْقَ بَعْضٍ 17.he made pairs of thing we cant see is said in the quran( think about it the anti matter plus and minus in lectricity)خَلَقَ ٱلْأَزْوَٰجَ كُلَّهَا مِمَّا تُنۢبِتُ ٱلْأَرْضُ وَمِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَمِمَّا لَا يَعْلَمُونَ pairs mean sexually and also sun ight hell\fire asexual ormal reproduction 18.moutains like ships 19.mountains like pegs quran 20.explosion of stars like a painted rose quran فَإِذَا انشَقَّتِ السَّمَاءُ فَكَانَتْ وَرْدَةً كَالدِّهَانِ 21.weight of clouds 22.snakes walk and dont scroll quran 2.the sound of pulsars like knocking وَالسَّمَاءِ وَالطَّارِقِ (1) وَمَا أَدْرَاكَ مَا الطَّارِقُ (2) النَّجْمُ الثَّاقِبُ (3) 3.jesus was not crusified or died it was made to seem like @t god states in the quran.but the crusification did happen just not jesus. 22.ALLAH meaning god in arabic is written on the africa picture of NASA which is the same word for god in aramaic the language of jesus alaha or elah and maaaaaany more tectonic plates mouvements وَتَرَى الْجِبَالَ تَحْسَبُهَا جَامِدَةً وَهِيَ تَمُرُّ مَرَّ السَّحَابِ ۚ صُنْعَ اللَّهِ الَّذِي أَتْقَنَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ ۚ إِنَّهُ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَفْعَلُونَ ,cosmic structure(a samae binae),expansion of universe وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ lowest point on earth,the devil made of fire which explains why we cant see it(if you take each component of fire alone you cant see it with your eyes),the fact that we didnt evolve of ancestor between us and monkeys but are a different creature. astronautes look like they are swiming in space وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ وَالشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ ۖ كُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ إِنَّمَا يَخْشَى اللَّهَ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ الْعُلَمَاءُ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَزِيزٌ غَفُورٌ @t ,,i make my own research but hope this site will help. i have been searching for one mistake in n the quran for 10 years havent found one.the ones who says ut has mistake either dont understand arabic and the transelation is not that accurate giving scientifique mistakes by transelating wrong or are liars or sometimes just stupid without any scientific backround or attack islam with that mohammed is a pedophile,dumb ass terrorist who are against the quran,or some other nonsense to hide their mistake. dont deny the truth while you heard it. greetings from finland. all muslims have one quran wherever you Go. the quran with excatly 114 verses,the luinguistic miracle,the one who a type of writting was made just for it the ottoman writting. the heart never lies just listen to the quran in arabic for half an hour+ how we know all the verses are from God are two things the luinguistic miracles which you will never understand because you dont speak the language +the effect on the heart no other human words do that.and recitaion is called RECITATION for a reason not VERSION because its the same exact words but in arabic you call spell a house or a car housa or caro and it wont change nothing at all but you wont understand this because you dont speak arabic+two words can be merged in one word in arabic and you can read the one you want but arabic is so complicated you wont understand.. if you won a debate with jay i will sbecome christian right now... وَقُلْ جَاءَ الْحَقُّ وَزَهَقَ الْبَاطِلُ ۚ إِنَّ الْبَاطِلَ كَانَ زَهُوقًا
You have to be his lord and saviour and his will is to save all people but people' will today does not want to be save. Why do you think Christians are angry about the Quaran because we know that its fake and manmade according to our bible.
@@youtubersground3359 Why I should believe in a man who never made any miracle? In the other side,Jesus has power and authority over demons, even now that power that was transferred to their disciples works during exorcisms. Only God has power over demons.
@@LuisSalazar-vu4jd well the bible was written by christians 200 years after jesus left the earth and the injil(gospel of jesus) is the one god talks about in the quran not the bible. jesus is not God and God sent another prophet after him to explain what happend and be for all humanity.
Jay Smith - if you don't start wearing your red cloak and cap and large boots, I won't be able to understand what's with all these gifts you are handing out to us here.
The writings of the Quran had a number of authors but was only compiled during the Umayyads in the late 7th century, and edited further during the next century.
Yes, all 30 are available to buy. Hatun has bought 37 so far. The Hafs is the official one, but it isn't 'Quraishi', and is from Kufa instead, which is in Iraq, the place which has the supposed 'corrupt' dialects.
jay, you obviously missed something very important you just told us. according to the way you told the story of muhammad getting the qiraat from jabril, it happened instantly. jabril did not go back to allah and get the new recitations, he gave them to muhammad right then and there. that means muhammad associated jabril as a partner with allah and committed shirk.
@@telltruthfollowtruth6404 you didn't go far enough. allaha is nothing more than the imginary sock puppet of muhammad and served no purpose than to give muhammad every disgusting thing he ever wanted!
@@agengsatya96 then allah should be able to talk directly to muhammad, so you just contradicted yourself. only an imaginary sock puppet god would need an "angel" as a spokesperson. my god talked to people all thru history. allah is nothing more than a mute idol.
Keep on going Jay, go after the truth. This is definitely much better than CSI or Sherlock Holmes. You are helping Muslim seekers to unshackle the lies about Mahomet the profit.
Great report, thank you! I am surronded with muslims here in Sweden. By the way brother, it makes sense in one way why they are reading a dialects from Kufa, wasnt the revelation about The antichrist kingdom in Nebuchadnessers dream from North Iraq? Then it acutually makes sens in a biblical view and understanding of what islam comes from. God bless you brother!
Very helpful indeed. This time line needs careful reflection and re-confirmation - probably part of Hatun's study in London. Shabir Ally has also stated that he is willing to debate at 'a latter date' with Jay Smith. Jay is on the lead. Thanks to God. My hunch is eventually all will come together and full reconciliation will materialise as God intended. Perhaps a Revised Quran from North America ? As-salamu alykum. ICXCNIKA.
Jay, Thank you. I think if you compose a Muhammad's biography with the Quran verses contextually, people can easily get the reality of increased scripture.
I love it when Jay does historical explanations. Hey Jay, you told us there are so far 37 versions, can you do the same for the rest of the versions? We would like to know when these other ones came alive.
Qadhi says that 10 versions of all the Qira´at were chosen by scholars as superior, but shortly before he says that all Qira´at are just different mixes of the seven Ahruf. How can some of these Qira´at be better than others if all are supposed to be perfect? What criteria could these scholars possibly have? And if there are criteria, doesn't that mean that human error entered into the other ones? Also, how are we supposed to picture Muhammad revealing the Quran in 7 Ahruf? Did Muhammad seriously recite every one of his verses 7 times in different Arab dialects, when all his followers only spoke the Hijaz dialect? Wouldn't that have appeared very strange to the earliest Muslims? And how did these early Muslims memorize all these different pronunciations of the Quran, in dialects that those from Mecca and Medina had no familiarity with? Why not just reveal the Quran the way it is in heaven and let the other Arabs familiarize themselves with that dialect, the same way non-Arabs have to learn Arabic itself in order to read it. Muslims holding on to their modern concept of perfect preservation of the Quran is becoming laughably pathetic at this point.
Aside from establishing the obvious falsehood of islam these videos on the koran and the qibla etc. are fascinating to me just as Arabian history and the history of how the islamic cult came to be.
I have read in some islamic websites that this persons have a chain transmission, for example Hafs: Imam Hafs ibn Suleiman ibn al-Mughirah al-Asadi al-Kufi learned from Aasim ibn Abi al-Najud (mentioned in the video), al-Kufi al-Tabi'i from Abu 'Abd al-Rahman al-Sulami from Uthman ibn Affan, Ali, Ubayy ibn Ka'b, and Zaid ibn Thabit from the prophet Muhammad. So they say Hafs comes from a chain transmission down to Zain Ibn Thabit, so it is the Qureishi dialect.
Dr. Jay Smith, how would you answer Dr. Shabir Ali and/or Yasir Qadhi responding in the affirmative and accepting your clear timeline delineated 10 readers who were separated by about a century from Muhammed if they retorted so what? We trust the oral transmission from master (from Muhammed lifetime to as many as the final Name notoriety Reader on your timeline?) to pupil (from Muhammed lifetime to as many as the final Name notoriety Transmitter on your timeline?) maintained our claim to infallibility (error not possible to occur) and the inerrancy (error, in fact, did not occur) in the actual verses recited? All this I find very interesting and intriguing.
Question. I wonder how many written and spoken dialects of Arabic existed when Muhammad was alive? Think its an important question. What language did Gabriel use? 😆
I had the same thought. Languages evolve and change. Look at the difference between Elizabethan English and modern American English.... that is about 400 years or so. So, what were the dialects when Mohammed was living?
22:54 Correction....Only 1 reader (IBN AMIR AD-DIMASHQI - Born 8AH - According to the Wikipedia Qira'at list) would've been alive at the time of Muhammad; though he would've been TOO YOUNG to have been in that depth of studies at the time of Muhammad's death. GREAT LESSON THOUGH!!!
I did say that almost all of the Qira'at compilers wrote their Qur'ans within the last 20 years of their lives. Therefore, Ibn Amir from Damascus did his work between 616-632 AD, so that's about 100 years after Muhammad was receiving his Qur'an/s in their 7 Qira'ats (between 610-632 AD), so he wouldn't have been anywhere near Muhammad (living up in Damascus) nor would he have known him, because though we don't know when he was born (I'm not sure where you got your date, but he couldn't have been born in 8 AH, because that would make him 110 years old when he died). Does that help?
@@pfanderfilms Agreed on being way up in Damascus & not knowing Muhammad. As far as the date of him being born, I got it from the Wikipedia Qira'at list that you told us to go to in another video.
jay, i don't hate the P-R-O-F-I-T muhammad. in fact today i wrote a song for him. it borrows from the stevie wonder song "nothin from nothin" and goes like this. sneaker's corner already gave me a heart, so that means i just won the apologetics grammy ;> i also put my green thumb to work this summer. i cut the tops off all my qirats and planted them in a flower pot. when they mature, maybe you could get shabir ali or yasir qadhi to visit me and read them to me like a bed time story ;> mutton from mutton leaves mutton. you gotta have mutton(poisoned) if you wanna eat with me. don't you remember i told you, i'm a soldier in the war of apostasy ;>
21:00 - It's NOT 7 Qiraat it's 7 Ahruf. There's a difference - a very IMPORTANT difference. The 7 ahrufs were revealed to the Prophet pbuh by Gabrielle (as) and it refers to the difference in recitation due to dialect etc. This is separate from the 10 qiraats which are transmissions of the readings, these ten named after the most well-known transmitters. As you know (I hope) the preservation of the Quran esp. in the early period relied heavily on oral transmission. You can say the differences between the qiraats is due to or at least influenced by the 7 ahrufs. BUT you have to remember the distinction between the two; they are not the same. As for the dates, you should be able to figure that out now. If the qiraats are simply the transmissions of the readings - passed on from student to student etc. - there is a time lapse. Why are they named by the above people? Those individuals were most notable for that type of recitation - that's my understanding. I think it's unfair what you've done here, in fact it's not only that it's highly inaccurate and also misleading. You haven't even stressed the most important point in all this - the meaning. It hasn't changed. The fascinating thing about all these qiraats is that is that even where there slight differences in meaning they do not contradict each other - now how is that possible if all this is man-made? You also haven't appreciated the great benefit of having these qiraats, it makes the reading easier for people depending on the demographic. Islam is for all people - but we're all different, divided by ethnic groups and language groups. The many qiraats are a blessing, my friend. Here some links: th-cam.com/video/HmKR8SPt17s/w-d-xo.html
Thank you Fa hud for your explanation and your video link to which I have watched and thank you very much for defending Islam Assalamualaikum from Malaysia
@@bokomar4207 Wasalaam, anytime my friend! Criticism against Islam is fine, but at least speak with some knowledge and understanding. It's clear this channel is very much against Islam - and it's their choice. But just know that a lot of what you're saying (directed at the person in the video) is extremely clouded by your confirmation bias and lack of knowledge of the religion (and the language) and not looking at the whole picture with sufficient understanding of the fundamentals. I want to thank the channel for making me do research into a subject I knew very little about - the unintended consequences of the video.
Supposedly the Koran can only be completely understood in Arabic, and supposedly Arabic cannot be correctly translated? It now seems it is even worse than this, it has to be in a distinct dialect to be understood, which would be hard to explain with absence vowel points in the earliest manuscripts, which all seem to bear redactions, besides being incomplete. How came other ancient texts do not suffer from this problem? Why would God use such an undeveloped language where there a plenty of alternatives in the same region? The Koran is a house of cards and you better not breathe on it.
Three simple questions: - why did Zaid have to collect the Quran (from scrabs), if it was perfectly memorized (by himself?) ? - why didnt Uthman use Hafsas Quran (or anyones memorisation) to make the new copies? - how did he rewrite Hafsas Quran in the qurayshi tongue without diacritics?
from and with your inputs iam making a vedeo in malayalam a kerala /indian language (Quran preservation 15;10ഈ ഉദ്ബോധനം നാം അവതരിപ്പിച്ചതാകുന്നു. നാംതന്നെ അതിന്റെ സൂക്ഷിപ്പുകാരനുമാകുന്നു ) i am an exmuslim
I thought I’d start to learn more about islam but what has happened is that I’m totally confused. I feel dizzy. Why are there so many rules? They work so much ... for nothing. A simple RELATIONSHIP with Jesus is all they need. Lord, open their eyes!
how can you burn something which is claimed to be oral narration. and if vowelsation were not there at the time of uthman then how could you write quran in diferrent dialect? this is all ulta pulta.so whatever this muslim scholars are explaining do not make any sense whatsoever.why you do not confront them on this point only.
WHICH DIALECT IS ALLAH KEEPING IN JEENAH( HEAVEN) . Can muslims please let us know. Plus, Where is Yasir Qadhi getting his narrative from? can he prove what he is saying?
Brockett notes also that the well-known abu Da’ud (d. 275) had managed to make a collection of 32 readings in only an incomplete form compared to that recorded by his son ibn Abi Da’ud (d. 316) who Von Denffer cites.
Dan Gibson’s archaeology & historical evidence suggests that Islam began in Petra, Jordan (also called Mecca) and overtime ( esp. when an earthquake happened) the black stone and religious capital was moved down to Mecca (Saudi Arabia). Am I right in thinking, in the light of this evidence, that the burning of other Korans etc was done to falsify the origins and harmonise and keep the religious Caliphate together? Or were there other reasons?
Hello Jay, why was it not common knowledge among the Meccans that Jibreel revealed the quran in 7 ahrufs? Why did they not go into battle expecting different recitations? This is a mess. It is becoming clearer and clearer that the emperor has no clothes on.
We are not getting tired but love what you do, i am ex Muslim and I got help from you and I’m sure so many others are getting help.
Thank you Dr Jay and thank you for sharing 🙏
God bless you abundantly 😇
Happy for you dear Friend..
Amen
GOD bless you and your family.
Are you Orthodox bro?
@@benyameenyitzhak1036
In lords Eyes ,
Who are all in Christ are one and Same
There is No Orthodox or selected .
Everyone are Equal in lords eyes ,
But Redemption Depends on the path
The people Choose...
Benyameen Yitzhak I am just a year old Christian and I am only Christian follower of Lord Jesus Christ.
Not merely holes in the standard narrative, they have craters in the narrative.
They have narratives in the craters.
When they ask which Bible version I use, I ask which ahruf and qiraat they use.
Lol
@ 😂😂😂 good one
@NYC125street I believe both as Paul was an apostle of Jesus. If you think Paul conflicts with Jesus, show me the passages that you compare for your analysis.
Who was Muhammad? He never met Jesus, nor spoke to his disciples. He conflicted with the mission of Jesus and distorted what Jesus's apostles taught us.
Definitely not getting tired of them. The information you’re putting out in your videos is so vital and compelling.
But idiots will.still fall for the world is flat narrative in the droves...
The horrors of ISLAM is only surpassed by CHINA.
@@sislertx I think even China cannot surpass the horror of Islam. China in certain things even is much much better than Islam
I'm not getting tired, but it's best that Jay put it systematically in a book.
One reads faster than watching TV. And books is easier to flip to search which part one wants to know.
Welk he provide actual source unlike the quaran
ExMuslim for ten years - based on issues IN the Qur'an - but I hadn't fully grasped then there were so many issues ABOUT the Qur'an. Thank you for these posts.
Never tired of hearing more about anything Islam! I love you for all your work brother Jay!
Here is some more info for you
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This is so revealing Jay. Great job. God bless you.
Fantastic piece of work Jay, God bless you.
This is the best video exploration that completely refutes Islam.
Do as many as needed, don’t worry about it, we are with you.
Blessings
How would they know they chose the "best of the best", if they didn't have an ORIGINAL to work with? Hahahahah! I always get a chuckle about Islamic logic.
They never had an original that lasted longer than the campfire that it was spoken around. They had a gist but everyone walked away with his own variation. When it became apparent that this was a fabrication that even Muhammad varied, Muhammad invented the ahruf excuse. Later Muslims invented the Qiraat excuse. Later the doctrine of "perfect preservation" was invented after Uthman standardized the quran. The problem is they have been trying to cap the genie in the bottle ever since.
@HB Net Everything Islam tells us about Muhammad and the Quran is questionable. If you find some wisdom in the pages of the Quran, good for you, but as a reliable religion that is truthful about itself, God or salvation? Look elsewhere.
These recitations, if you were to write them down with arabic letters, would all be exactly the same, but there are different ways of pronouncing it, which is why you have the different recitations. However, they are all valid, as the prophet read with these variations and approved of them, and they reached us through tawatur (i.e through so many chains of narration it is impossible that they could have been fabricated).
@@misterlogik8163 Hi, thank you for showing interest in the religion of Islam. I would love to answer all your questions but what you have done is fired a load of over a dozen questions at me at once, which cannot all be answered in a TH-cam comment. Some of your objections are also very vague so if you could narrow them down that would be great. For example your objection of Islam not being compatible with any other belief system could be a two hour debate itself. Also your claim of the quran being written 200 to 300 years after the prophet Muhammad is incorrect, I think what you meant to say was hadeeth, not Qur'an.
Thanks again, Dr. Smith. I am constantly amazed at the new revelations you present about the Quran and Muhammad.
Now, we're up to 37 Arabic Qurans? I'm wondering how many more are out there.
The timeline is very damaging indeed.
Thank you Jay, I am a Christian, born, raised and lived in Pakistan. I been listening to all these lies told by Muslim immams and apologist. Thank you for bringing out the truth. I wish I could translate all this in Urdu and present it to Pakistanis.. God bless you
Feel free to translate them into Urdu
The problem with 7 dialects is that Uthman burnt all but 1 the qureshi dialect. How do they explain the other 6 existing.
the story of uthman burn the quran is fake story, or uthman only burn different quraisy quran
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If that story is fake that means almost everything in the hadiths cant be trusted as truth.
If the sahil (authentic) hadiths are full of lies then we cant believe the stories of the angel giving mohammed 7 styles of recitations.
muslims cant just pick and chose,
That is y qadri said there are holes in there narative.
There are physically more than 30 different aranic qurans today, how is 30=1 ?
this is not including the numerous different arabic msnuscript.
@@agengsatya96 You`re calling your most respected Sahih hadiths "Fake stories"?
@@ianofliverpool7701 uthman burn quran is sirah nabi/history of prophet, not hadith.
@Hobo Sapien
how come the 7 ahrufs are not from the companions.
which of the 7 ahrufs is quraishy?
Good job, Dr. Smith... I love ur great work... I ll never get tired of it, sir
I never get tired of this information. It is important not just for Muslims but for the rest of us. Everyone needs to know.
The timeline is really useful!
Thanks for the video Dr Smith!
Never get tired Jay, I'm learning here
Hello from Montreal Canada.
Hello from Halifax, Nova Scotia
Steve Bene Ex-Montrealer here! Bonjour!
when a Muslim ask you:
"how can 3 be 1?
ask:
" how can 1 become 7, then 7 become 1 and 1 become 10 and 10 become 37?"
This is the best reply yet. I think I'll use it as my title!
Lol that's gold
@@pfanderfilms of course
Thankyou Jay. No we're not, we're learning.
Jay, thank you so much. The Truth shall reveal and it’s revealing through some of you. Your analysis and analogy are powerful
Dear Dr.Jay Smith I praise God for you and your passionate research. May God give good health and divine wisdom and protection. Always praying for you.
WOW!
What wonderful work you are doing Sir, God bless you and your work.
If you didn't watch to end of the video you won't understand so I urge you watch it full.
Means the work of Uthman becomes useless not the Quraysh dialect quran 90% of Muslims are using despite the effort of Uthman to make in Muhammad's dialect.
Oh noo Dr Smith, we are Not getting tired of all the information. Im just glad that we have champions like you and your team doing the kind of research that test the foundations of the claimed faith. Pray that God may use it to better equip us to reach out and confront the claims ! Thank you so much and be encouraged this work is not in vain!
Yours in His service.
Keep pressing this Jay. It's all coming out.
I'm loving these videos ❤️
What has happened to ' not one word has been changed, no words added'.
Dr Jay Smith please continue with these!! There are so useful! Do not stop! Keep them coming.. So men wrote the quran? I thought it was Allah? Word for Word? Never changed? God bless you Jay!
Love these topics Jay
Titus 1:16 - They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Thank you!! I do care ! I appreciate them.
Love your instructions. Looking forward to diving into the resm(sp?)
Not tired at all we love it carry bro Jay let the truth ring loud and clear all over,let them realize they have been deceiving the whole world.
Really becoming juicy indeed!
Thank you Dr.jay
Hafs was called a liar and thief by the scholars of his time and his hadiths were denied. Muslims accept his quran though. Talk about gullible!
I've been looking more into Warsh and his translation, while not the "original", at least makes more grammatical and thematic sense. Not to mention he is from Medina. Why on earth would they choose Hafs over Warsh? Lmao
@@ericthegreat7805 - All of them are horse shizzle. It's just that Hafs is in a different shaped pile. LOL
Not his Quran, it was the Quran in the custody of Ummul Mumineen Hazrat Hafsah, given to her by her own father Hazrat Umar RaziAllahu A'nhu that Muslims accept. It was copied by Hazrat Usman Ghani RaziAllahu A'nhu and these copies were sent to the then Muslim Governors as the standard copies of Quran as the authentic reference.
@@SyedAhmed-hc5vm None of those copies exist. All of the translations are from people repeating what they heard. Check any of them and you will find it says "the quran according to so and so, according to so and so, according to so and so, all the way back. Uthman made his copy, but it didn't match the others, so he burned them. His copy doesn't exist. - You've been lied to.
Ok Jay, maybe as the next step let's see when and where all the hadiths, tafsir, sirah or whatever 'extra' explanations that are needed to support the understanding of the Quran were actually written - and by whom ? Because I hear many of them are couched in the terms of "it was narrated by ....." By just whom and just when and to whom and how were these sayings about the intimate details of daily life of this prophet recorded and preserved ? That must be another very traceable timeline, right?
Not getting bored with these type of videos. The history and the wars and empires are fascinating. Love it. Do more!
Very useful
Keep going and we’ll keep praying. God be with you.
now let's see how Shabir Ali uses his Matrix Style of dodging the Question
Ha ha.... so for you this is something like a rifts... it is clear these variation are only in the recitation or qiraat... which does not change the meaning of the words... this is only to cater to the tongue of the arabs at that time. 😅😂. By the way what ever they burn is not different quran its only variation in the recitation marks or signs... certainly you will not find rift in the quran.
We are here to learn. Remove the holes from the narratives.
Great info, the truth is coming out with a bang.
We love your videos, you can do as many of them and we're happy
quite an educative lecture.
'Pick a card. Any card. Seven of clubs?'
'No, its the king of hearts!'
'Its the exact same thing. Slightly different but identical!'
Scholars Differ
There is a difference of opinion among classical Muslim scholars on the subject of the 'seven modes', to the extent that one of them was able to say: 'the degree of difference of opinion (iktilaf) among the scholars is to the extent of 35 sayings'. {footnote 46}
different opinions are that the 'seven modes'
- Different languages (dialects) current among the Arabs at the time of revelation, such as e.g. Qura'sh, Hudhayl, Tamin, etc., who had different ways of pronunciation, which could even affect the spelling,
- It may also be the usage of words from the different languages in the Qur'an (this is considered one of the most sound views).
- Usage of synonyms in the Qur'an, i.e. that a variety of expressions describe one and the same concept. A well known example is Sura 101:5, which reads differently in another version both meaning 'like carded wool'. The word read in place of (Sura 1:6), etc. {footnote 48}
- Different aspects of the revelation, such as e.g. order, prohibitions, promise, narrations, etc.
- Seven differences, such as possible ways of reading words and structures in the Qur'an, e.g. the word 'trusts' in 23:8 which can be read both 'trust' (sg.) or 'trusts' (pl.) according to the plain text without vowels.
- Slightly different wording of a particular passage, such as e.g. in 9:100: 'Gardens under which rivers flow' which some read as 'Gardens from under which rivers flow' adding the word 'from' (min) to the text.
- Different ways of pronunciation as they have been explained in great detail by the scholars of qira'a (recitation) such as e.g. Click to View , etc. {footnote 49}". (Ulum, p. 115 von denfer
This is crazy.. thank u Very much for the info
Awesome work Jay! Keep exposing islam as the false religion it is.
Be a bad winner, hammer them.
They are running for cover, do not let them off them hook
Dr Smith please join this timeline(history of the Quran) with the writing of the Hadiths.
Because of the nature of the Quran. Contradictory and incoherent etc they needed the Hadiths to prop the Quran.
Please consider simultaneously examining both the Quran and the Hadiths. Thanks
Absolutely not getting tried of them.
Really informative + compiling evidence, that the Quran is not eternal word of god.
Ahruf and Qira'at... LOL. Harut and Marut - Tower of Babel... Sounds like to me. What a mess!
Dear Jay, Please continue with your videos. They are eye openers and propagate truth. We eagerly wait for your new videos. You are a treasure to be preserved.
Any honest Muslim who listens this video will get chills down his spine as he realizes he has been deceived by his Imams.
if jesus died for their sin then why some people still go to hell by the bible?
god gave numerous proofs but people choose to believe other people instead of god.god sent the first prophets to israel and they changed the torah then sent jesus pbuh and they made him a god even if the bible itself denies it if
The bible is a witness on its own changing by humans.
jesus is not God by the bible itself-
God is capable of everything right? lets assume he split himslef to three than jesus who is himslef God in flesh calls God my God Matthew 27:46 and worships God in Matthew 26:39 and even if you say that nonsense of even if jesus is God he dont make himslef equal to the father then the bible says God is not a man Numbers 23:19 and that jesus is a man 1 Timothy 2:5.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; the bible
god then sent mohamed pbuh with the quran where god gave clear proofs
1.The prefontal cortex role lying and mistake:* ناصية كاذبة خاطئة
2.God stated the seven layers of atmosphere and each does something:
What, do you disbelieve in Him who created the earth(the for ground is the same in arabic for ground) in two days, and do you set up compeers to Him? That is the Lord of all Being.
And He set therein firm mountains over it, and He blessed it, and He ordained therein its diverse sustenance in four days, equal to those who ask.'
Then He lifted Himself to heaven when it was smoke(reffering to primordial smoke) and said to it and to the earth, "Come willingly, or unwillingly!" They said, "We come willingly."
So He determined them as seven heavens(the word for hevean is the same for sky in arabic) in two days, and revealed its commandment in every heaven.' So he means seven skies inside the earth and each has its commandment plus god answers the question did he make the earth in six days:no because in the first 2 days there were no sky so no night and morning(a day) so god means a period using the word day.
3.the pharoh didnt die in the sea with moses pbuh watching
just look for ramses 2 body its pharaoh body that stayed the same like weirdly the same as god stated
So today We shall deliver thee with thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those after thee. Surely many men are heedless of Our signs.'
the big bang The Day when We will fold the heaven like the folding of a [written] sheet for the records. As We began the first creation, We will repeat it. [That is] a promise binding upon Us. Indeed, We will do it.
superionic water discoverd in 2019:And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place. water with extreme tempreture becomes black and not liquide not solid.
homo habilis (habil is the one of the children of adam) homo habilis lived 2 million years ago was found with equipment next the fossils and are the second humans after the ''animal evolution'' mistake of scientist darwin
4.sperm and fetus devlepment excatly.ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ ۚ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ
5.dinasaurs died because of black smoke that blocked the sun in the day of judgment the same will happen( the day the sky will be black smoke is mentionned in the quran). يَوْمَ تَكُونُ السَّمَاءُ كَالْمُهْلِ /فَارْتَقِبْ يَوْمَ تَأْتِي السَّمَاءُ بِدُخَانٍ مُّبِينٍ
6.chock waves in the day of judgment when explosion of sun.يوم تمور اسماء مورا
7. nasa scientist noticed loosing eye seight when going to space . وَلَوْ فَتَحْنَا عَلَيْهِم بَابًا مِّنَ السَّمَاءِ فَظَلُّوا فِيهِ يَعْرُجُونَ (14) لَقَالُوا إِنَّمَا سُكِّرَتْ أَبْصَارُنَا بَلْ نَحْنُ قَوْمٌ مَّسْحُورُونَ
8.olive tree oil has on of the highest lights (seen with UV) scientifique miracle شَجَرَةٍ مُّبَارَكَةٍ زَيْتُونَةٍ لَّا شَرْقِيَّةٍ وَلَا غَرْبِيَّةٍ يَكَادُ زَيْتُهَا يُضِيءُ وَلَوْ لَمْ تَمْسَسْهُ نَارٌ
11.ants and bees communication
12.crows understand death
14.internal waves quran أَوْ كَظُلُمَاتٍ فِي بَحْرٍ لُّجِّيٍّ يَغْشَاهُ مَوْجٌ مِّن فَوْقِهِ مَوْجٌ مِّن فَوْقِهِ سَحَابٌ ۚ ظُلُمَاتٌ بَعْضُهَا فَوْقَ بَعْضٍ
17.he made pairs of thing we cant see is said in the quran( think about it the anti matter plus and minus in
lectricity)خَلَقَ ٱلْأَزْوَٰجَ كُلَّهَا مِمَّا تُنۢبِتُ ٱلْأَرْضُ وَمِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَمِمَّا لَا يَعْلَمُونَ pairs mean sexually and also sun
ight hell\fire asexual
ormal reproduction
18.moutains like ships
19.mountains like pegs quran
20.explosion of stars like a painted rose quran فَإِذَا انشَقَّتِ السَّمَاءُ فَكَانَتْ وَرْدَةً كَالدِّهَانِ
21.weight of clouds
22.snakes walk and dont scroll quran
2.the sound of pulsars like knocking وَالسَّمَاءِ وَالطَّارِقِ (1) وَمَا أَدْرَاكَ مَا الطَّارِقُ (2) النَّجْمُ الثَّاقِبُ (3)
3.jesus was not crusified or died it was made to seem like @t god states in the quran.but the crusification did happen just not jesus.
22.ALLAH meaning god in arabic is written on the africa picture of NASA which is the same word for god in aramaic the language of jesus alaha or elah and maaaaaany more tectonic plates mouvements وَتَرَى الْجِبَالَ تَحْسَبُهَا جَامِدَةً وَهِيَ تَمُرُّ مَرَّ السَّحَابِ ۚ صُنْعَ اللَّهِ الَّذِي أَتْقَنَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ ۚ إِنَّهُ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَفْعَلُونَ ,cosmic structure(a samae binae),expansion of universe وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا
لَمُوسِعُونَ
lowest point on earth,the devil made of fire which explains why we cant see it(if you take each component of fire alone you cant see it with your eyes),the fact that we didnt evolve of ancestor between us and monkeys but are a different creature. astronautes look like they are swiming in space وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ وَالشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ ۖ كُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ
إِنَّمَا يَخْشَى اللَّهَ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ الْعُلَمَاءُ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَزِيزٌ غَفُورٌ
@t ,,i make my own research but hope this site will help.
i have been searching for one mistake in n the quran for 10 years havent found one.the ones who says ut has mistake either dont understand arabic and the transelation is not that accurate giving scientifique mistakes by transelating wrong or are liars or sometimes just stupid without any scientific backround or attack islam with that mohammed is a pedophile,dumb ass terrorist who are against the quran,or some other nonsense to hide their mistake.
dont deny the truth while you heard it.
greetings from finland.
all muslims have one quran wherever you Go.
the quran with excatly 114 verses,the luinguistic miracle,the one who a type of writting was made just for it the ottoman writting.
the heart never lies just listen to the quran in arabic for half an hour+ how we know all the verses are from God are two things the luinguistic miracles which you will never understand because you dont speak the language +the effect on the heart no other human words do that.and recitaion is called RECITATION for a reason not VERSION because its the same exact words but in arabic you call spell a house or a car housa or caro and it wont change nothing at all but you wont understand this because you dont speak arabic+two words can be merged in one word in arabic and you can read the one you want but arabic is so complicated you wont understand..
if you won a debate with jay i will sbecome christian right now...
وَقُلْ جَاءَ الْحَقُّ وَزَهَقَ الْبَاطِلُ ۚ إِنَّ الْبَاطِلَ كَانَ زَهُوقًا
You have to be his lord and saviour and his will is to save all people but people' will today does not want to be save. Why do you think Christians are angry about the Quaran because we know that its fake and manmade according to our bible.
@@youtubersground3359 Why I should believe in a man who never made any miracle?
In the other side,Jesus has power and authority over demons, even now that power that was transferred to their disciples works during exorcisms.
Only God has power over demons.
@@youtubersground3359 The Bible does not reject that Jesus is God.
@@LuisSalazar-vu4jd well the bible was written by christians 200 years after jesus left the earth and the injil(gospel of jesus) is the one god talks about in the quran not the bible.
jesus is not God and God sent another prophet after him to explain what happend and be for all humanity.
I was there in 652,, I saw it ...
yasir and shabir were so young and watching from distance. i m not sure if they saw and remember all clearly
Great analysis
Jay Smith - if you don't start wearing your red cloak and cap and large boots, I won't be able to understand what's with all these gifts you are handing out to us here.
Excellent music. Another topic Islam forbids. The Islam, the government.
The writings of the Quran had a number of authors but was only compiled during the Umayyads in the late 7th century, and edited further during the next century.
Are these readings existing today and if they do how many variants do they have and which one is the officially representing the Quran in janna?
Yes, all 30 are available to buy. Hatun has bought 37 so far. The Hafs is the official one, but it isn't 'Quraishi', and is from Kufa instead, which is in Iraq, the place which has the supposed 'corrupt' dialects.
Weldon sir
I care about the terms!
jay, you obviously missed something very important you just told us. according to the way you told the story of muhammad getting the qiraat from jabril, it happened instantly. jabril did not go back to allah and get the new recitations, he gave them to muhammad right then and there. that means muhammad associated jabril as a partner with allah and committed shirk.
allah can hear what muhammad ask & speak directly to jibril without jibril go back to allah
Read quran 33:36
Mohammad is real god, allaha in lower level!!!
@@telltruthfollowtruth6404 its said god & his angels appreciate prophet muhammad
@@telltruthfollowtruth6404 you didn't go far enough. allaha is nothing more than the imginary sock puppet of muhammad and served no purpose than to give muhammad every disgusting thing he ever wanted!
@@agengsatya96 then allah should be able to talk directly to muhammad, so you just contradicted yourself. only an imaginary sock puppet god would need an "angel" as a spokesperson. my god talked to people all thru history. allah is nothing more than a mute idol.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when one practices to deceive. A foundation of lies comes crumbling down.
No not tired at all, keep it up please.
Keep on going Jay, go after the truth. This is definitely much better than CSI or Sherlock Holmes. You are helping Muslim seekers to unshackle the lies about Mahomet the profit.
Great report, thank you! I am surronded with muslims here in Sweden. By the way brother, it makes sense in one way why they are reading a dialects from Kufa, wasnt the revelation about The antichrist kingdom in Nebuchadnessers dream from North Iraq? Then it acutually makes sens in a biblical view and understanding of what islam comes from. God bless you brother!
I wonder if Dan Brubaker has responded to a critique of his book and research? The gentleman's name is Hythem Sidky, an academic in Chicago.
He's soon to release his response!
No, not tired of them
Hope we can finally refute this cults claim on who God really is
Very helpful indeed. This time line needs careful reflection and re-confirmation - probably part of Hatun's study in London. Shabir Ally has also stated that he is willing to debate at 'a latter date' with Jay Smith. Jay is on the lead. Thanks to God. My hunch is eventually all will come together and full reconciliation will materialise as God intended. Perhaps a Revised Quran from North America ? As-salamu alykum. ICXCNIKA.
Ouch ... that's hurt .
Jay, Thank you. I think if you compose a Muhammad's biography with the Quran verses contextually, people can easily get the reality of increased scripture.
Muhammad is a fictional character.
I love it when Jay does historical explanations.
Hey Jay, you told us there are so far 37 versions, can you do the same for the rest of the versions?
We would like to know when these other ones came alive.
Thankyou Dr.Jay for providing great information,Muslims reading Hafs Quran 1924 Cairo edition but not reading Uthman 652AD Quran ...Ututututu...LOL
Never tired of the truth.
Qadhi says that 10 versions of all the Qira´at were chosen by scholars as superior, but shortly before he says that all Qira´at are just different mixes of the seven Ahruf. How can some of these Qira´at be better than others if all are supposed to be perfect? What criteria could these scholars possibly have? And if there are criteria, doesn't that mean that human error entered into the other ones? Also, how are we supposed to picture Muhammad revealing the Quran in 7 Ahruf? Did Muhammad seriously recite every one of his verses 7 times in different Arab dialects, when all his followers only spoke the Hijaz dialect? Wouldn't that have appeared very strange to the earliest Muslims? And how did these early Muslims memorize all these different pronunciations of the Quran, in dialects that those from Mecca and Medina had no familiarity with? Why not just reveal the Quran the way it is in heaven and let the other Arabs familiarize themselves with that dialect, the same way non-Arabs have to learn Arabic itself in order to read it. Muslims holding on to their modern concept of perfect preservation of the Quran is becoming laughably pathetic at this point.
When opening a video from this channal, there always first popps up "Advertisement", but it is Islamic Dawah!!!!
The same happens when opening CIra.
Aside from establishing the obvious falsehood of islam these videos on the koran and the qibla etc. are fascinating to me just as Arabian history and the history of how the islamic cult came to be.
And under your video there always is to read: Help The Masjid!
I have read in some islamic websites that this persons have a chain transmission, for example Hafs: Imam Hafs ibn Suleiman ibn al-Mughirah al-Asadi al-Kufi learned from Aasim ibn Abi al-Najud (mentioned in the video), al-Kufi al-Tabi'i from Abu 'Abd al-Rahman al-Sulami from Uthman ibn Affan, Ali, Ubayy ibn Ka'b, and Zaid ibn Thabit from the prophet Muhammad.
So they say Hafs comes from a chain transmission down to Zain Ibn Thabit, so it is the Qureishi dialect.
Dr. Jay Smith, how would you answer Dr. Shabir Ali and/or Yasir Qadhi responding in the affirmative and accepting your clear timeline delineated 10 readers who were separated by about a century from Muhammed if they retorted so what? We trust the oral transmission from master (from Muhammed lifetime to as many as the final Name notoriety Reader on your timeline?) to pupil (from Muhammed lifetime to as many as the final Name notoriety Transmitter on your timeline?) maintained our claim to infallibility (error not possible to occur) and the inerrancy (error, in fact, did not occur) in the actual verses recited? All this I find very interesting and intriguing.
Question. I wonder how many written and spoken dialects of Arabic existed when Muhammad was alive?
Think its an important question. What language did Gabriel use? 😆
I had the same thought. Languages evolve and change. Look at the difference between Elizabethan English and modern American English.... that is about 400 years or so. So, what were the dialects when Mohammed was living?
22:54 Correction....Only 1 reader (IBN AMIR AD-DIMASHQI - Born 8AH - According to the Wikipedia Qira'at list) would've been alive at the time of Muhammad; though he would've been TOO YOUNG to have been in that depth of studies at the time of Muhammad's death. GREAT LESSON THOUGH!!!
I did say that almost all of the Qira'at compilers wrote their Qur'ans within the last 20 years of their lives. Therefore, Ibn Amir from Damascus did his work between 616-632 AD, so that's about 100 years after Muhammad was receiving his Qur'an/s in their 7 Qira'ats (between 610-632 AD), so he wouldn't have been anywhere near Muhammad (living up in Damascus) nor would he have known him, because though we don't know when he was born (I'm not sure where you got your date, but he couldn't have been born in 8 AH, because that would make him 110 years old when he died). Does that help?
@@pfanderfilms Agreed on being way up in Damascus & not knowing Muhammad. As far as the date of him being born, I got it from the Wikipedia Qira'at list that you told us to go to in another video.
jay, i don't hate the P-R-O-F-I-T muhammad. in fact today i wrote a song for him.
it borrows from the stevie wonder song "nothin from nothin" and goes like this. sneaker's
corner already gave me a heart, so that means i just won the apologetics grammy ;>
i also put my green thumb to work this summer. i cut the tops off all my qirats and planted
them in a flower pot. when they mature, maybe you could get shabir ali or yasir qadhi to
visit me and read them to me like a bed time story ;>
mutton from mutton leaves mutton.
you gotta have mutton(poisoned) if you wanna eat with me.
don't you remember i told you, i'm a soldier in the war of apostasy ;>
21:00 - It's NOT 7 Qiraat it's 7 Ahruf. There's a difference - a very IMPORTANT difference. The 7 ahrufs were revealed to the Prophet pbuh by Gabrielle (as) and it refers to the difference in recitation due to dialect etc. This is separate from the 10 qiraats which are transmissions of the readings, these ten named after the most well-known transmitters. As you know (I hope) the preservation of the Quran esp. in the early period relied heavily on oral transmission. You can say the differences between the qiraats is due to or at least influenced by the 7 ahrufs. BUT you have to remember the distinction between the two; they are not the same. As for the dates, you should be able to figure that out now. If the qiraats are simply the transmissions of the readings - passed on from student to student etc. - there is a time lapse. Why are they named by the above people? Those individuals were most notable for that type of recitation - that's my understanding. I think it's unfair what you've done here, in fact it's not only that it's highly inaccurate and also misleading. You haven't even stressed the most important point in all this - the meaning. It hasn't changed. The fascinating thing about all these qiraats is that is that even where there slight differences in meaning they do not contradict each other - now how is that possible if all this is man-made? You also haven't appreciated the great benefit of having these qiraats, it makes the reading easier for people depending on the demographic. Islam is for all people - but we're all different, divided by ethnic groups and language groups. The many qiraats are a blessing, my friend.
Here some links: th-cam.com/video/HmKR8SPt17s/w-d-xo.html
Thank you Fa hud for your explanation and your video link to which I have watched and thank you very much for defending Islam
Assalamualaikum from Malaysia
@@bokomar4207 Wasalaam, anytime my friend! Criticism against Islam is fine, but at least speak with some knowledge and understanding. It's clear this channel is very much against Islam - and it's their choice. But just know that a lot of what you're saying (directed at the person in the video) is extremely clouded by your confirmation bias and lack of knowledge of the religion (and the language) and not looking at the whole picture with sufficient understanding of the fundamentals. I want to thank the channel for making me do research into a subject I knew very little about - the unintended consequences of the video.
7 become 1. How can this 1 become 10 ?
Supposedly the Koran can only be completely understood in Arabic, and supposedly Arabic cannot be correctly translated? It now seems it is even worse than this, it has to be in a distinct dialect to be understood, which would be hard to explain with absence vowel points in the earliest manuscripts, which all seem to bear redactions, besides being incomplete.
How came other ancient texts do not suffer from this problem? Why would God use such an undeveloped language where there a plenty of alternatives in the same region?
The Koran is a house of cards and you better not breathe on it.
Three simple questions:
- why did Zaid have to collect the Quran (from scrabs), if it was perfectly memorized (by himself?) ?
- why didnt Uthman use Hafsas Quran (or anyones memorisation) to make the new copies?
- how did he rewrite Hafsas Quran in the qurayshi tongue without diacritics?
sharr al-bariyya/bari2a
- before : هم سر الىرىه
- > after : هم سر الىرىه
Uthmans recensio ^^
شكرا جزيلا د. جاي سميث ،صلواتنا لك بوافر الصحة والحكمة وخدمتك في فضح هذا الدين الشيطاني
from and with your inputs iam making a vedeo in malayalam a kerala /indian language (Quran preservation
15;10ഈ ഉദ്ബോധനം നാം അവതരിപ്പിച്ചതാകുന്നു. നാംതന്നെ അതിന്റെ സൂക്ഷിപ്പുകാരനുമാകുന്നു
) i am an exmuslim
I thought I’d start to learn more about islam but what has happened is that I’m totally confused. I feel dizzy. Why are there so many rules? They work so much ... for nothing. A simple RELATIONSHIP with Jesus is all they need. Lord, open their eyes!
I'm curious about Hatun's additional seven Qur'ans...whom are their readers/transmitters
how can you burn something which is claimed to be oral narration. and if vowelsation were not there at the time of uthman then how could you write quran in diferrent dialect? this is all ulta pulta.so whatever this muslim scholars are explaining do not make any sense whatsoever.why you do not confront them on this point only.
How would I get copies of all 30 qurans without traveling all over the world
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Hamut got them
WHICH DIALECT IS ALLAH KEEPING IN JEENAH( HEAVEN) . Can muslims please let us know. Plus, Where is Yasir Qadhi getting his narrative from? can he prove what he is saying?
Brockett notes also that the well-known abu Da’ud (d. 275) had managed to make a collection of 32 readings in only an incomplete form compared to that recorded by his son ibn Abi Da’ud (d. 316) who Von Denffer cites.
I`m truly not at all bored I will learn the meanings, the characters and the timeline so I can do some dawah busting.
Dan Gibson’s archaeology & historical evidence suggests that Islam began in Petra, Jordan (also called Mecca) and overtime ( esp. when an earthquake happened) the black stone and religious capital was moved down to Mecca (Saudi Arabia). Am I right in thinking, in the light of this evidence, that the burning of other Korans etc was done to falsify the origins and harmonise and keep the religious Caliphate together? Or were there other reasons?
Hello Jay, why was it not common knowledge among the Meccans that Jibreel revealed the quran in 7 ahrufs? Why did they not go into battle expecting different recitations? This is a mess. It is becoming clearer and clearer that the emperor has no clothes on.