I am an Italian physician living in the Northern part, I finished my first Master in nutrition one year ago and I am currently on my way to conclude the second. I am vegan since about 10 years and lacro-ovo vegetarian since I was 14. Pellagra is still a quite famous name among grannies in my neighborhood. Most of people affected were poor class people needing a big amount of calories because of manual labour, with a highly corn based diet consisting largely in polenta (maybe you could find it interesting that, to be able to gobble that corn mud, "richer" families in the area used to add salted fish to rub on the polenta to make it less awful to repetitively eat it,as a sole calorie intake). The really interesting part of this interview that got my attention was the discussion over nice and comforting decent food. One of the things I really noticed moving to Germany for work reasons is the lack of fresh herbs to use as spices. This and the excesssive amount of chemically flavoured, highly processed food, combined with a price of fresh vegetables about 2-3 times more expensive than in Italy,associated with a wide spread of obesity between Germans, led me to really think that in a Bolognese sauce the most interesting part is the wise use of natural aromas and the lipid mixture due to the red wine put in the cooking phase. I am wondering how impacting a really good sauce is in the effects of the main nutrients on appetite and craving. I would like to thank you for your effort in this channel. It is always well researched and it already gave me more than one good hint, along with a wider understanding of what the "western diet" that you indirecly or directly criticise might look like. Most of the Italians I know who came to the US, came back telling wonders about the society and other aspects, but all of them told me the food was just not right and gained kilos just being on vacation there. Sorry for the long comment. Hope you are not reading it eating doritos!
@@davidleader4799people are lying, corn is not lacking B3. 2000kcal of yellow sweet corn: 76.1g protein (152%), tryptophan 535mg (191%) more than enough to produce additional NE (niacin equivalent), niacin 41.2mg (257%)
I found a bulletproof way of eating that I find very satisfying. It's a variation on the Esselstyn diet. Five servings of leafy green vegetables, 3 servings of legumes, 2 servings of nuts, a serving of sweet potato, a serving of seeds, 2 servings of whole grains and 3 servings of fruit. I seldom have cravings and my BMI is is a rock solid 23.6. After a lifetime of weight management difficulties, it seems like magic to me.
I just finished the Dorito Effect! Absolutely fascinating book. Loved this interview. I went down a rabbit hole in February when I searched "what is healthy food?". 8 months, several books, dozens of hours of documebtaries/videos and subscribing to this channel later, I now eat plant based and I have another book to buy. Keep up the great work!
Beedubs had to reply when I read "I went down a rabbit hole" because that is exactly what I feel I am doing now, since June and escalated in July while trying to understand what I should be eating. I have been deterred by the Keto/carnivores who seem so self-assured and confident that what they are doing is correct. I know persons (including one of my doctors) who have had great results weight wise on these diet....but the saturated fat made me wary and sure enough I found studies about the longer term effects such as elevated cholesterols and have not been able to find any long term studies related to mortality on these diets. Then found Plant CHompers videos on how old were influencers when they died. In May I made one change in my diet....I cut out almost all "added sugars" and that was transformative for me. For the first time I was not thinking about food all day and this led me to try to understand why...and so I am here, still in the rabbit hole but much more knowledgeable about what I should be eating. Best wishes on this journey.
@@terber12392 Welcome to the madness. Lol. This is a great Channel. Glad you found it. I fully understand your sentiment on the overconfident believers in keto style diets. Gil carvalo, Micheal greger (plant based) and one more I can't think of but is great all break down research. Feels unbiased to me. I ended up whole food plant based. Not pushing it at all. Have fun learning. Thanks for commenting
What is the average lifespan of Northern Italians compared to Sardinians(Mediterranean diet) or Vegans?Any comparisons of Cancer,Ulcer Lymphoma rates? Am sceptical and doubt sausage, salami ,ham are good for you.
Excellent video! When he mentioned how whole foods are getting blander and processed foods are getting more flavorful, that made me think of tomatoes. I've heard so many times from people that eating a home grown tomato right off the vine will be the best tomato you've ever had. You'd never be able to eat store bought tomatoes ever again. I've never grown my own tomatoes but hope to some day. I also understand when he talked about liking something and wanting something. I specifically remember one time my friend took me to Dairy Queen and we grabbed some burgers and fries and ice cream. It was really way too much food but I kept eating even after eating stopped being fun and became work. It's your typical struggle of wanting to clear your plate even though you're really full and don't actually want to. But you feel the need to do it. Apparently it shown on my face or something because she asked me how I was and I said I'm so full eating isn't fun anymore. She told me it's ok to stop so I did. It was good thing too because I probably would have thrown up otherwise. Before I started changing the way I ate, I had a BMI over 40. Eating a low fat WFPB vegan diet has gotten me down to a BMI of 27. I'm at the last stretch of 15 pounds to be in the normal weight range. :) This is where it'll take real work and dedication to lose weight. It was actually pretty easy up until this point.
Wow wow WOW!!! BMI 40 ==> 27 is just amazing. 👏💪💥😎 Congratulations. As Mark said in the interview, not many people can achieve that. I hope you can lose the last 15 and keep it off. I know people who've done it like my son-in-law, but it seems to be a very small percent of people who try. WFPB for the win.
@@Viva-Longevity Thanks! I first started going plant-based in 2019 for health reasons. The PLAN was to eat 100% plants on my own time then have an unhealthy meat-based meal when out with friends to avoid the whole social problem. But that's not how it worked out. I would do my 100% plants just fine but after I ate that bad meal, I would spiral into bad eating for like a month. It would take an extreme effort of will to stop doing it. By then, I had regained most of the weight I had lost. But apparently I ate well enough that I was steadily losing weight so it was very motivating for me. Then COVID hit and everyone was sent home. Since I had already been going plant-based for about a year, going 100% wasn't hard. Not being invited out to eat all the time made it so easy. And watching some special presentations about addiction made me realize I basically have a food addiction. Eating that bad food was a trigger for me. Once I realized that, a lot of my behavior made sense. Then I did research on zoonotic disease and simply decided I wasn't going to fund those industries anymore. However, that left room for when I go visit family out of state to eat animal products during the holidays since THEY are going to buy the food whether I'm there or not. So last year I ate turkey and all that for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Then I learned about how diseased the animals are and what the FDA and USDA says is legally allowed to be fed and done to the animals. Since I have no interest in eating diseased cannibalistic animals, I did not partake in the turkey feast this year. My sister-in-law was nice and made some roasted butternut squash with vegetables so I would have one thing I could eat. lol Consistency is the key to losing weight and the only real way to have consistency is to have that motivating factor. As long as I don't get sucked into vegan junk food too heavily, I plan on keeping this weight off and getting even healthier. :)
My absolute favorites every year are the Heritage tomatoes. In particular I like what some call the black varieties. And lucky for me there are several farmers at our local farmers market that grow them every year as well as other heritage vegetables.
What an absolutely riveting and fantastic interview Chris. You ask the right questions and your approach is centered. The greatest compliment to you is that I learned a lot. Bravo!!!!
I've gone almost entirely vegan since I started watching your videos. That 'almost entirely' might sound like a mealy (or meaty) mouthed euphemism, but the truth is, having experienced just how good this makes me feel, I don't really want to eat anything but good quality whole plant foods now. Yesterday I was in a café at closing time and they offered me and my nephews free pastries. I took a cinnamon roll to be polite and out of vague curiosity about how it would land with me. I had it with coffee this morning and it felt more a chore than a treat, basically pointless as I was eating it and faintly depleting in the aftermath.
Yooo this was incredible. I’m going to have to watch this one again for sure because there is so much to it that I want to really wrap my head around, especially that part about the dopamine and the want vs like. Felt sorry for the poor little rats though. Another great video!
Thanks! Yeah, want versus like was hard for me to get my head around and I'm still not sure I fully understand. Today after biking I was hungry and new I would enjoy a bunch of grapes, but I wanted a thick piece of bread with lots of almond butter because it satisfies when you're starving.
@@Viva-Longevity and Lygia, I think that the guest didn't properly explain it for ordinary people to apply and to pass on. I think that most of us can understand the difference in general terms, but in terms of psychology and food, it isn't entirely obvious. Would you do a followup video, please? Before that, maybe poll the community to see if they can explain it, and then pass the results and questions on to the expert guest.
The combined wisdom and common sense of this Mark S. is what makes him brilliant. He has made me feel so much better about food and its purpose in life... Just the other day, I was intuitively sensing what he has explained... Life has gotten so complicated when it comes to food, what to eat, when to eat, etc., thus, we have forgotten to "kiss"/ keep it simple stupid., " GOD GAVE US EVERYTHING WE NEED AND WE NEED EVERYTHING GOD GAVE US." Sanviki Chapman 🙏🏼☮️💕
Thank you, Susan. That means a lot to me. I was afraid I was going on too long and seemed a little subdued in this interview. I was just fascinated and deep in thought.
Thank you for this eye opening interview. What does this mean for the idea of adding alpha omega 3 fatty acids to our diet? How can we determine how much we need?
Thank you for this very enlightening interview. I am going out to purchase some tagliatelle pasta and have a guilt free dinner. I have struggled with binge eating most of my life and it was only when I lived in Italy for three years was I able to control it. I agree with Mark that the diet mentality of restriction leads to an unhealthy relationship with food. and causes disordered eating. I really enjoy your content and because of you I am trying to eat a plant diet and hopefully will have some success controlling my cravings.
Thanks, Gianna! Truth be told, I struggle to stop eating too once I've gotten really hungry by missing a meal or something. I don't know how the one meal a day people do it. If I'm starving a few hours before dinner, a small snack really helps me to control myself when dinner finally comes.
Hey Gianna, I discovered that it correlates extremely with the time I spend inside my house. And the time I stay up until late. Also I allways was bad at feeling natural full or hunger I could allways eat everytime ans everythig. Thats why I keep sure, that I dont have processed food at home. The most processed is a smoked tofu, which I wrap in lettuce and tomato paste at night, when craving hit. I dont even buy vegan cheeses or salami. I have nuts, but nut butters are my death. Also Carrots are great, you can chew allot on them. And apples from the frige, they keep you full.
Only chocolate in my house is 85%. I keep a very healthy BMI of 22 with my aproach. My mother is morbidly obese, I think I inherited her cravings and missing feeling of fullness.
@@Viva-Longevity Great content! I have friends, a couple, who tried keto for years--did not work, tried vegan briefly--they said they did not like the way they felt (and she is allergic to nuts so it limited her), then tried fishes and veggies eating once a day--after a few months she said it was not enough food and they were stuffing themselves at the one meal (I knew that would happen but kept my mouth shut). The human stomach is designed to eat severeal times a day as of course, we are not lions (or carnivores), have a great day.
@@Viva-Longevity For what it's worth, I can tell you, Chris, that i was on OMAD for several months and it wasn't difficult. I ate keto then. Now I am experimenting with carb rich diet and I can't even imagine to skip a meal, so hungry I get in between. I think I was able to take an incredible amount of fat calories in one sitting without my belly exploding. On the other hand, I think that the perhaps naive belief in the incredible benefits of intermittent fasting made me ignore hunger much easier. Best regards from your fan in Denmark.
Absolutely fascinating! My mother developed pellegra as a child in the rural south in the 1930s. The cause was a diet primariy of cornmeal mush. Excellent all the way around with the vitamin issue (I have been working towards WFPB for awhile and log my food on cronometer and it helps me with identifying gaps in micronutrients and looking up which foods are good to help result. A lot of truth in the obesity discussion
I remember Dr. Greger explaining a study where participants were randomized to have either a Coke or a Diet Coke at lunch, then their blood sugar was monitored. Over a 24-hr period the blood sugar average was the same in both groups because apparently those who had the Diet version would seek out sweeter foods thereafter to compensate. The brain knew it had gotten cheated out of those sweet calories! This was a wakeup call for me to quit using stevia, which I had been using in ever-increasing amounts due to my parallel increase in sweet cravings!! Thanks for this super interesting interview. I'm intrigued about this guy's books. I am guessing he advocates a whole food diet that includes animal products? We only actively supplement B12 and D, but *do* regularly use fortified plant milks and nutritional yeast. I dont think I'll worry about cutting them out in the small amounts we use though 🙂 Nooch is too tasty.
Yes, he's a balanced diet, real food kinda guy. He wrote a book on finding the best steak... We didn't get into his diet or mine (vegan), just the fortification of foods. I'm like you, I only supplement with B12 and D3, but I do have 3 women in my family who have to supplement with iron, including my post menopausal wife who gives blood every two months.
@@Viva-Longevity Do you supplement with vegan omega 3 Chris? You hot Dr Joel Furhman (I'd love you to interview him) Simon Hill, Bill Harris, The Sherzais adamant we need to supplement and purists like Dr John Mcdougall who I still think has a lot of truth , say NO to omega 3s. Mind you I think he's now sadly lost the plot. Even his own daughter was talking about the sherzais and had no idea who they were. He thinks HRT is the devil and beeast cancer is caused by estrogen not driven.
The (Neopolitan) Morelli side of my heritage says, "Don't eat to live. live to eat !". This, I theorize, is why I've become such a cook as I am. (No meat or dairy the last 28 years & much healthier than my peers) Great interview, he was wonderful to listen to.
As enlightening as ever. Keep going Chris. Your content is at least as good as people with millions of views ... here's hoping the breakthrough comes soon!
Fantastic episode. I've been binge watching/rewatching all the content. You have created such a space for clarity for this complex topic of food and eating for u humans. Love ❤️ 😍 💖 ❣️
What an amazing video! I've never been overweight but I've dealt with binge eating as a result of food scarcity, and Mark's mention of "true enjoyment" struck a chord with me because to me a plate of fresh vegetables and tomato sauce mixed with pasta is way more enjoyable than substituting a meal with nuts, even though nuts are still "real" food compared to chips (I personally don't care for chips). I've also binged on nuts before in an effort to find satisfaction in eating. Or the idea of wanting vs. liking food - I barely enjoyed food when I was binging, especially when I started binging on what I don't find very satisfying, like oatmeal, rather than instantly palatable foods like sugary pastries, but it felt like a desperate desire just to eat.
THE PART CONTAINS THE WHOLE - the difference between living things and machines. Brilliant concept defining biology vs mechanics/electronics. Thank you for your research and knowledge Mr. Schatzker.
Sooo interesting. I instinctively never wanted "diet" products, sweeteners, plant "milk". Since I found your channel, I have been slowly adding more fruits, and legumes and I find I have less cravings and enjoy my food more. You are doing a great job. The fact that you don't sponsor any product, makes it easier to trust you. And the fact that you bring scientists and science and graphs sits well with my scientific background.
One thing that is 'different' since the invention of oreos is screen time from tv to our phone appendage to add to the like/want dilemma. There are constant advertisements for junk food can send the appetite straight to the fridge. I have vegan cooking channels that appear and much of it is high sugar, fat and salty. Ive been at a friends with an organic garden in Hawaii. Ive been making super colorful bean dishes full of color and ignites wonderful eye popping and delicious satisfaction.
It has been some time that I managed to focus my attention for TH-cam content, more than 5 mins. I watched this interview from start to end. Amazing content, spectacular narrative, sublime conversation. Thank you.
...and! Love how you're giving us insight into your world both in episodes and comments. Gives another whole perspective and has given me insight, inspiration and relief of judgement for my own foibles. So grateful for what you do and who you are
I just discovered this channel, and I find it beautifully nourishing, wholesome and coherent with my values. Just like I would like my eating to be :) Thank you and keep the project alive please
I'm going to have to read his book. Absolutely sounds like something I need to read. Trying to change my relationship with food and this really hit the nail on the head for me in so many ways. Thank you!
I personally, feel better and get sick less when I take high quality whole food based multi/supplement..... It is very hard to get all nutrients no matter the diet..... Also, I compare feeding sugar cereals to children with child abuse!
Ah! I’m obsessed with your channel and am learning so much. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and considerations with us in such an engaging way. I’ve recently started my whole food plant based journey and you’re an inspiration!
One of the most informative and 'deep' videos I have ever seen. Great job, we need that kind of stuff to balance our thinking about food, calories etc.
Wow! Great video. One aspect of your videos that I really value and appreciate is that you most often offer the perspective of the (nutrition) road less traveled. I vote that you take the last 8 minutes of this episode and make a few follow on videos.
Fascinating! I am off to get these books by Mark Schatzker from the library. My head is reeling from all the info so I will probably watch this again. I oftetn watch videos more than once as they are so full and rich with information. Thank you so much for being the voice of reason. I share your videos hoping to help get the word out about this channel!
Wow! I learned so much from this interview and will definitely be adding both The Dorito Effect and The End of Craving to my reading list. Sounds like they take quite a few interesting turns. Thanks for another great video!
Mouth feel + salt and oil really pull me in and that's exactly what's in processed foods. Stopped eating them and now if I try to eat a plant based sausage or pizza the taste is really overpowering and I can see how it pulls me in. "Resistance is futile" is probably every junk food manufacturers mantra/goal. Does make eating real food harder but only in the beginning. Loose the taste and you're finally free. Freedom from xyz more important than ever. Can't quite believe how far I've come.... vegan, wfpb, non alcohol/smoking/drugs ... and discovered the gym at 57 woohoo what a combo.. xxx
Chris - very good episode. Please may I suggest you interview David Raubenheimer and Stephen Simpsin, authors of book - Eat Like The Animals. These two entomologist scientists have taken the nutrition world by storm, showing we eat until our need for protein is satisfied - and as very many highly processed foods have low protein content, we over eat them to our detriment... My lesson - as a whole food plant based eater - make sure theirs a useful moderate or high protein food on the plate to satiate and satisfy...
Thank you. Very interesting. I just happened on an article from Cornell yesterday that said be careful of protein and fat for domestic dogs because they will overeat it and get pancreatitis: www.vet.cornell.edu/departments-centers-and-institutes/riney-canine-health-center/canine-health-information/re-evaluating-your-dogs-diet
Geeze, Chris, since I saw you nerding out with Mic the Vegan the other day I have been binge watching your videos and I could leave my „Wow what a smashing interview and topic❣️❣️❣️“ at each and every one of them! I am sharing your channel as much as I can and hope more people find you- because they are missing out!!!! Thank you for this one! (I will get my Goethe and his „ Italienische Reise“ out again right now!
WOW! WOW! WOW! BRILLIANT! Schatzker is amazing. Fascinating , new, and unexpected insights. Part of this conversation about how our brains work goes so far beyond food. These insights can inform why we do stupid stuff and even goes to the fallacy of mass incarceration. Is that a leap? Think about it. Not at all.
That's a fabulous interview. Having lived in Italy for 3 years I would venture to suggest Mark's presentation of Italian life is somewhat romanticized. Italians do eat a lot of foods that don't quite live up to the standards he describes. However, the thrust of his arguments still carries great force.
I read several papers from a Chinese and Arabian group that found correlations between synthetic B vitamins in enriched carbohydrates (flour) and obesity. It could pretty much be that deficiencies are bad but excessive amounts could swing the pendulum the other way.
Reminds me a lot of the studies into "mindful eating" like Thich Nhat Hanh's book "Savor". Plant-based eating can seem like a chore or taking your "medicine". Well thought out and not often spoken of topics. I saw that one of your videos hit the PBN channel - I hope that happens much more often.
A related observation... when I'm deliberately overfeeding (to build muscle), my sense of taste changes. Foods that I eat when I am trying to lose weight don't taste as good when I am trying to gain weight. In fact, the only foods that still taste good when I am trying to gain weight are the highly processed foods. It is hard to bulk up on whole foods.
Amazing stuff, I totally agree. After you can refuse produced food (it has to do something with reason, your brains - hey, we can not always work instinctively) you can learn to distinguish the taste and listen your body, since it tells you what are you missing or there is to many. The things about Goetje and organic beings, I totally agree. As well as with Italian mentality. They talk a lot about what they're doing but the do it with passion. Perhaps the result is not a German precision, but is beautiful, tasty, satisfying. At the end of the day it is all about the harmony, as the artist would say about their product. Keep up the good work.
In US foods are supplemented with high fructose corn syrup/ whey/ bone broth/ cheese/milk - not only vitamins. That contorts our taste buds from whole fresh plant food. Then it’s advertised/ advertised/ advertised as “mychoice” to eat those. How about in Italy is this done
Well done interview. Especially enjoyed your expression at 36+ minute where the author mentioned "steak". You get points for expressing facially your indigestion at such a mention.
Hahaha, thanks! When Jack told me I wouldn't miss meat I thought he was nuts and I would never be one of those hippy dippy vegans who get repulsed at the thought of it. And here I am, repulsed at the thought of it...
@plantchompers I had an experience with salt you may be interested in. I started upping my iodine, and my salt cravings ended. 3 servings of dulce a day and the salt shaker no longer is appealing. Before this, the salt shaker was irresistible. It feels like the light at the end of the salt tunnel! Has anyone else felt this??
@@Viva-LongevityI did not, unfortunately. I was trying to solve my salt addiction and tried upping my intake of iodine to rule out the possibility. I could not seem to live on less than extra 3 servings of iodized salt per day. Recalling this video gave me the idea. Now it feels like I turned off a craving switch. Now I wish I had done so, to confirm it was an iodine issue. Otherwise this is an anecdotal story. Know of anyone who might be able to do a study on it?
I am not sure I can afford to keep watching your videos because they keep causing me to buy another book....now I need the "Doritos Effect" 😁 Seriously I am learning so much. Like others have said, this is fascinating, I want to understand it more and hope you do more on this subject. Thank you so very much.
Amazing! I’m heading out to the library today to find his book the end of cravings. Sounds somewhat similar to the pleasure trap by dr. Doug lisle! I have seen several TH-cam videos of ex vegans who decided they needed to eat beef liver because of the high niacin content…it just makes me wonder if they were craving niacin for some other reason nothing to do with eating plant based 🤔 anyways this interview really makes you think which is so important so thank you Chris!!! Keep em’ coming
Thank you so much! I was afraid the Goethe bit was too long and esoteric so I almost trimmed it, but Mark was so passionate about it and I figured if someone has listened this far, they're probably really into the talk. Thanks for letting me know.
10:10 Adverse effects of B6 supplementation have never been observed with daily intakes up to 1400% DV. And there are several studies suggesting potential health benefits of supplementing B6 with doses well above 100% DV. In the EU, a product must have at least 100% RDA (2 mg) of B6 for you to be able to claim that it "stimulates mental capacities", for example.
This was amaizing. Than you very much for all the work you are doing. You are contributing to the best possible future for humankind big time,I am sure of it. Thanks!
I am an Italian physician living in the Northern part, I finished my first Master in nutrition one year ago and I am currently on my way to conclude the second. I am vegan since about 10 years and lacro-ovo vegetarian since I was 14.
Pellagra is still a quite famous name among grannies in my neighborhood. Most of people affected were poor class people needing a big amount of calories because of manual labour, with a highly corn based diet consisting largely in polenta (maybe you could find it interesting that, to be able to gobble that corn mud, "richer" families in the area used to add salted fish to rub on the polenta to make it less awful to repetitively eat it,as a sole calorie intake).
The really interesting part of this interview that got my attention was the discussion over nice and comforting decent food. One of the things I really noticed moving to Germany for work reasons is the lack of fresh herbs to use as spices. This and the excesssive amount of chemically flavoured, highly processed food, combined with a price of fresh vegetables about 2-3 times more expensive than in Italy,associated with a wide spread of obesity between Germans, led me to really think that in a Bolognese sauce the most interesting part is the wise use of natural aromas and the lipid mixture due to the red wine put in the cooking phase. I am wondering how impacting a really good sauce is in the effects of the main nutrients on appetite and craving.
I would like to thank you for your effort in this channel. It is always well researched and it already gave me more than one good hint, along with a wider understanding of what the "western diet" that you indirecly or directly criticise might look like.
Most of the Italians I know who came to the US, came back telling wonders about the society and other aspects, but all of them told me the food was just not right and gained kilos just being on vacation there.
Sorry for the long comment. Hope you are not reading it eating doritos!
Very well said. Thank you
@@davidleader4799people are lying, corn is not lacking B3. 2000kcal of yellow sweet corn: 76.1g protein (152%), tryptophan 535mg (191%) more than enough to produce additional NE (niacin equivalent), niacin 41.2mg (257%)
whole grain corn is not lacking niacin, verify detailed nutritional data charts
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I found a bulletproof way of eating that I find very satisfying. It's a variation on the Esselstyn diet. Five servings of leafy green vegetables, 3 servings of legumes, 2 servings of nuts, a serving of sweet potato, a serving of seeds, 2 servings of whole grains and 3 servings of fruit. I seldom have cravings and my BMI is is a rock solid 23.6. After a lifetime of weight management difficulties, it seems like magic to me.
But Dr. Esselstyn suggestion of 5 or 6 vegetable servings a day is for people who have heart condition.
That is very close to what I have slowly progressed towards, except that I eat a lot more, somewhere between 3 and 5 kg of vegetables.
@@TheVafa95But it's not going to harm you if your heart is OK either.
Is this per meal? 😋
@@TheVafa95i noticed fruits seem quite adequate proportionally (nutrients per calorie ratio) compared to grains and legumes
I just finished the Dorito Effect! Absolutely fascinating book. Loved this interview. I went down a rabbit hole in February when I searched "what is healthy food?". 8 months, several books, dozens of hours of documebtaries/videos and subscribing to this channel later, I now eat plant based and I have another book to buy. Keep up the great work!
Beedubs had to reply when I read "I went down a rabbit hole" because that is exactly what I feel I am doing now, since June and escalated in July while trying to understand what I should be eating. I have been deterred by the Keto/carnivores who seem so self-assured and confident that what they are doing is correct. I know persons (including one of my doctors) who have had great results weight wise on these diet....but the saturated fat made me wary and sure enough I found studies about the longer term effects such as elevated cholesterols and have not been able to find any long term studies related to mortality on these diets. Then found Plant CHompers videos on how old were influencers when they died. In May I made one change in my diet....I cut out almost all "added sugars" and that was transformative for me. For the first time I was not thinking about food all day and this led me to try to understand why...and so I am here, still in the rabbit hole but much more knowledgeable about what I should be eating. Best wishes on this journey.
@@terber12392 Welcome to the madness. Lol. This is a great Channel. Glad you found it. I fully understand your sentiment on the overconfident believers in keto style diets. Gil carvalo, Micheal greger (plant based) and one more I can't think of but is great all break down research. Feels unbiased to me. I ended up whole food plant based. Not pushing it at all. Have fun learning. Thanks for commenting
I read both books, also the very good ‘Ultraprocessed People’ by Chris van Tulleken. This information is so important.
What is the average lifespan of Northern Italians compared to Sardinians(Mediterranean diet) or Vegans?Any comparisons of Cancer,Ulcer Lymphoma rates? Am sceptical and doubt sausage, salami ,ham are good for you.
Excellent video! When he mentioned how whole foods are getting blander and processed foods are getting more flavorful, that made me think of tomatoes. I've heard so many times from people that eating a home grown tomato right off the vine will be the best tomato you've ever had. You'd never be able to eat store bought tomatoes ever again. I've never grown my own tomatoes but hope to some day.
I also understand when he talked about liking something and wanting something. I specifically remember one time my friend took me to Dairy Queen and we grabbed some burgers and fries and ice cream. It was really way too much food but I kept eating even after eating stopped being fun and became work. It's your typical struggle of wanting to clear your plate even though you're really full and don't actually want to. But you feel the need to do it. Apparently it shown on my face or something because she asked me how I was and I said I'm so full eating isn't fun anymore. She told me it's ok to stop so I did. It was good thing too because I probably would have thrown up otherwise.
Before I started changing the way I ate, I had a BMI over 40. Eating a low fat WFPB vegan diet has gotten me down to a BMI of 27. I'm at the last stretch of 15 pounds to be in the normal weight range. :) This is where it'll take real work and dedication to lose weight. It was actually pretty easy up until this point.
Wow wow WOW!!! BMI 40 ==> 27 is just amazing. 👏💪💥😎 Congratulations. As Mark said in the interview, not many people can achieve that. I hope you can lose the last 15 and keep it off. I know people who've done it like my son-in-law, but it seems to be a very small percent of people who try. WFPB for the win.
@@Viva-Longevity Thanks! I first started going plant-based in 2019 for health reasons. The PLAN was to eat 100% plants on my own time then have an unhealthy meat-based meal when out with friends to avoid the whole social problem. But that's not how it worked out. I would do my 100% plants just fine but after I ate that bad meal, I would spiral into bad eating for like a month. It would take an extreme effort of will to stop doing it. By then, I had regained most of the weight I had lost. But apparently I ate well enough that I was steadily losing weight so it was very motivating for me.
Then COVID hit and everyone was sent home. Since I had already been going plant-based for about a year, going 100% wasn't hard. Not being invited out to eat all the time made it so easy. And watching some special presentations about addiction made me realize I basically have a food addiction. Eating that bad food was a trigger for me. Once I realized that, a lot of my behavior made sense. Then I did research on zoonotic disease and simply decided I wasn't going to fund those industries anymore.
However, that left room for when I go visit family out of state to eat animal products during the holidays since THEY are going to buy the food whether I'm there or not. So last year I ate turkey and all that for Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Then I learned about how diseased the animals are and what the FDA and USDA says is legally allowed to be fed and done to the animals. Since I have no interest in eating diseased cannibalistic animals, I did not partake in the turkey feast this year. My sister-in-law was nice and made some roasted butternut squash with vegetables so I would have one thing I could eat. lol
Consistency is the key to losing weight and the only real way to have consistency is to have that motivating factor. As long as I don't get sucked into vegan junk food too heavily, I plan on keeping this weight off and getting even healthier. :)
My absolute favorites every year are the Heritage tomatoes. In particular I like what some call the black varieties. And lucky for me there are several farmers at our local farmers market that grow them every year as well as other heritage vegetables.
@@cutabove9046 Awesome! They sound delicious.
Hope you get to taste a real tomato soon. It really is night and day.
Man literally one of the best informative channels for plants on utube. How are you not leading the movement lol
You’re just the best!!! Love your videos! What an excellent spokesperson for plant based! ♥️👏🏼
Thanks Pam! I live for comments like yours. 😁
What an absolutely riveting and fantastic interview Chris. You ask the right questions and your approach is centered. The greatest compliment to you is that I learned a lot. Bravo!!!!
I've gone almost entirely vegan since I started watching your videos. That 'almost entirely' might sound like a mealy (or meaty) mouthed euphemism, but the truth is, having experienced just how good this makes me feel, I don't really want to eat anything but good quality whole plant foods now. Yesterday I was in a café at closing time and they offered me and my nephews free pastries. I took a cinnamon roll to be polite and out of vague curiosity about how it would land with me. I had it with coffee this morning and it felt more a chore than a treat, basically pointless as I was eating it and faintly depleting in the aftermath.
Yooo this was incredible. I’m going to have to watch this one again for sure because there is so much to it that I want to really wrap my head around, especially that part about the dopamine and the want vs like. Felt sorry for the poor little rats though. Another great video!
Thanks! Yeah, want versus like was hard for me to get my head around and I'm still not sure I fully understand. Today after biking I was hungry and new I would enjoy a bunch of grapes, but I wanted a thick piece of bread with lots of almond butter because it satisfies when you're starving.
@@Viva-Longevity and Lygia, I think that the guest didn't properly explain it for ordinary people to apply and to pass on.
I think that most of us can understand the difference in general terms, but in terms of psychology and food, it isn't entirely obvious.
Would you do a followup video, please? Before that, maybe poll the community to see if they can explain it, and then pass the results and questions on to the expert guest.
I'm on round 3! Lol
The combined wisdom and common sense of this Mark S. is what makes him brilliant. He has made me feel so much better about food and its purpose in life... Just the other day, I was intuitively sensing what he has explained... Life has gotten so complicated when it comes to food, what to eat, when to eat, etc., thus, we have forgotten to "kiss"/ keep it simple stupid., " GOD GAVE US EVERYTHING WE NEED AND WE NEED EVERYTHING GOD GAVE US." Sanviki Chapman
🙏🏼☮️💕
You are the Bill Nye of the plant based world and that is the highest compliment!
Thank you, Susan. That means a lot to me. I was afraid I was going on too long and seemed a little subdued in this interview. I was just fascinated and deep in thought.
Thank you for this eye opening interview.
What does this mean for the idea of adding alpha omega 3 fatty acids to our diet? How can we determine how much we need?
You are such a heart warming person. Spreading truth and love 😊 thank you.
Thank you for this very enlightening interview. I am going out to purchase some tagliatelle pasta and have a guilt free dinner. I have struggled with binge eating most of my
life and it was only when I lived in Italy for three years was I able to control it. I agree with Mark that the diet mentality of restriction leads to an unhealthy relationship with food.
and causes disordered eating. I really enjoy your content and because of you I am trying to eat a plant diet and hopefully will have some success controlling my cravings.
Thanks, Gianna! Truth be told, I struggle to stop eating too once I've gotten really hungry by missing a meal or something. I don't know how the one meal a day people do it. If I'm starving a few hours before dinner, a small snack really helps me to control myself when dinner finally comes.
Hey Gianna, I discovered that it correlates extremely with the time I spend inside my house. And the time I stay up until late. Also I allways was bad at feeling natural full or hunger I could allways eat everytime ans everythig. Thats why I keep sure, that I dont have processed food at home. The most processed is a smoked tofu, which I wrap in lettuce and tomato paste at night, when craving hit. I dont even buy vegan cheeses or salami. I have nuts, but nut butters are my death. Also Carrots are great, you can chew allot on them. And apples from the frige, they keep you full.
Only chocolate in my house is 85%. I keep a very healthy BMI of 22 with my aproach. My mother is morbidly obese, I think I inherited her cravings and missing feeling of fullness.
@@Viva-Longevity Great content! I have friends, a couple, who tried keto for years--did not work, tried vegan briefly--they said they did not like the way they felt (and she is allergic to nuts so it limited her), then tried fishes and veggies eating once a day--after a few months she said it was not enough food and they were stuffing themselves at the one meal (I knew that would happen but kept my mouth shut). The human stomach is designed to eat severeal times a day as of course, we are not lions (or carnivores), have a great day.
@@Viva-Longevity For what it's worth, I can tell you, Chris, that i was on OMAD for several months and it wasn't difficult. I ate keto then. Now I am experimenting with carb rich diet and I can't even imagine to skip a meal, so hungry I get in between. I think I was able to take an incredible amount of fat calories in one sitting without my belly exploding. On the other hand, I think that the perhaps naive belief in the incredible benefits of intermittent fasting made me ignore hunger much easier. Best regards from your fan in Denmark.
Wow… the information about pigs moving off of grazing to using vitamins is mind blowing - an important turning point in animal husbandry.
Absolutely fascinating! My mother developed pellegra as a child in the rural south in the 1930s. The cause was a diet primariy of cornmeal mush. Excellent all the way around with the vitamin issue (I have been working towards WFPB for awhile and log my food on cronometer and it helps me with identifying gaps in micronutrients and looking up which foods are good to help result. A lot of truth in the obesity discussion
As a northern Italian, this video made me smile!
I remember Dr. Greger explaining a study where participants were randomized to have either a Coke or a Diet Coke at lunch, then their blood sugar was monitored. Over a 24-hr period the blood sugar average was the same in both groups because apparently those who had the Diet version would seek out sweeter foods thereafter to compensate. The brain knew it had gotten cheated out of those sweet calories! This was a wakeup call for me to quit using stevia, which I had been using in ever-increasing amounts due to my parallel increase in sweet cravings!!
Thanks for this super interesting interview. I'm intrigued about this guy's books. I am guessing he advocates a whole food diet that includes animal products?
We only actively supplement B12 and D, but *do* regularly use fortified plant milks and nutritional yeast. I dont think I'll worry about cutting them out in the small amounts we use though 🙂 Nooch is too tasty.
Yes, he's a balanced diet, real food kinda guy. He wrote a book on finding the best steak... We didn't get into his diet or mine (vegan), just the fortification of foods. I'm like you, I only supplement with B12 and D3, but I do have 3 women in my family who have to supplement with iron, including my post menopausal wife who gives blood every two months.
@@Viva-Longevity did they do a blood test before having the supplement?
Interesting. I'm giving up diet drinks for several reasons, including my realization that they're part of why I keep eating sweets.
@@Viva-Longevity Do you supplement with vegan omega 3 Chris? You hot Dr Joel Furhman (I'd love you to interview him) Simon Hill, Bill Harris, The Sherzais adamant we need to supplement and purists like Dr John Mcdougall who I still think has a lot of truth , say NO to omega 3s. Mind you I think he's now sadly lost the plot. Even his own daughter was talking about the sherzais and had no idea who they were. He thinks HRT is the devil and beeast cancer is caused by estrogen not driven.
Gregor is a QUACK !
I need more from Mark!
The (Neopolitan) Morelli side of my heritage says, "Don't eat to live. live to eat !". This, I theorize, is why I've become such a cook as I am. (No meat or dairy the last 28 years & much healthier than my peers) Great interview, he was wonderful to listen to.
Wow, Paul, I read your comment 3 times because it made me feel so good each time.
As enlightening as ever.
Keep going Chris. Your content is at least as good as people with millions of views ... here's hoping the breakthrough comes soon!
Thanks! I have about 6 episodes to do that fascinate me so we’ll see!
Fantastic episode. I've been binge watching/rewatching all the content. You have created such a space for clarity for this complex topic of food and eating for u humans. Love ❤️ 😍 💖 ❣️
What an amazing video! I've never been overweight but I've dealt with binge eating as a result of food scarcity, and Mark's mention of "true enjoyment" struck a chord with me because to me a plate of fresh vegetables and tomato sauce mixed with pasta is way more enjoyable than substituting a meal with nuts, even though nuts are still "real" food compared to chips (I personally don't care for chips).
I've also binged on nuts before in an effort to find satisfaction in eating. Or the idea of wanting vs. liking food - I barely enjoyed food when I was binging, especially when I started binging on what I don't find very satisfying, like oatmeal, rather than instantly palatable foods like sugary pastries, but it felt like a desperate desire just to eat.
THE PART CONTAINS THE WHOLE - the difference between living things and machines. Brilliant concept defining biology vs mechanics/electronics. Thank you for your research and knowledge Mr. Schatzker.
Sooo interesting.
I instinctively never wanted "diet" products, sweeteners, plant "milk".
Since I found your channel, I have been slowly adding more fruits, and legumes and I find I have less cravings and enjoy my food more.
You are doing a great job.
The fact that you don't sponsor any product, makes it easier to trust you. And the fact that you bring scientists and science and graphs sits well with my scientific background.
One thing that is 'different' since the invention of oreos is screen time from tv to our phone appendage to add to the like/want dilemma. There are constant advertisements for junk food can send the appetite straight to the fridge. I have vegan cooking channels that appear and much of it is high sugar, fat and salty. Ive been at a friends with an organic garden in Hawaii. Ive been making super colorful bean dishes full of color and ignites wonderful eye popping and delicious satisfaction.
It has been some time that I managed to focus my attention for TH-cam content, more than 5 mins. I watched this interview from start to end. Amazing content, spectacular narrative, sublime conversation. Thank you.
Wow. Simply amazing. I had to watch this more than once to make sure I didn’t miss anything. Awesome interview!
...and! Love how you're giving us insight into your world both in episodes and comments. Gives another whole perspective and has given me insight, inspiration and relief of judgement for my own foibles. So grateful for what you do and who you are
Found both of his books on my library app. Can't wait to binge listen to them.
I feel like the same want vs like also applies to much of social media.
I just discovered this channel, and I find it beautifully nourishing, wholesome and coherent with my values. Just like I would like my eating to be :) Thank you and keep the project alive please
Just finished reading the book. Will be visiting the Italian countryside in my life.
This video has changed my life.
I'm going to have to read his book. Absolutely sounds like something I need to read. Trying to change my relationship with food and this really hit the nail on the head for me in so many ways. Thank you!
I personally, feel better and get sick less when I take high quality whole food based multi/supplement..... It is very hard to get all nutrients no matter the diet..... Also, I compare feeding sugar cereals to children with child abuse!
Ah! I’m obsessed with your channel and am learning so much. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and considerations with us in such an engaging way. I’ve recently started my whole food plant based journey and you’re an inspiration!
That was a fascinating conversation! I'd like to get his book and read it for myself!
I enjoyed this interview and bought the audio book. Thanks for your work, Chris!
This channel has really helped me understand and put so many things in perspective, thank you so much man
One of the most informative and 'deep' videos I have ever seen. Great job, we need that kind of stuff to balance our thinking about food, calories etc.
Good eating habits it’s about psychology, the enjoyment of food being made of the balance between taste and health benefits
Wow! Great video. One aspect of your videos that I really value and appreciate is that you most often offer the perspective of the (nutrition) road less traveled. I vote that you take the last 8 minutes of this episode and make a few follow on videos.
The key word is programing! We are biocomputers and we react according how we are programed...The subconscious mind/soul!
Fascinating! I am off to get these books by Mark Schatzker from the library. My head is reeling from all the info so I will probably watch this again. I oftetn watch videos more than once as they are so full and rich with information. Thank you so much for being the voice of reason. I share your videos hoping to help get the word out about this channel!
Interesting. I just added his two audiobooks to to my audible cart !
Thanks Chris!
This interview explained so many things in great clarity, which helped me understand myself better.
Thank you for creating this gem, Chris!
I‘m always amazed at how well some people can learn things by heart and then recite them flawlessly. I had a good nap! Great video, as always 👍
Mind blown. Excellent interview.
Top episode. Really thought provoking.
Your content is invaluable. Thanks a lot!
I think he’s my favourite guest so far! Super interesting video!
he's a smart dude. learned lots
Wow! I learned so much from this interview and will definitely be adding both The Dorito Effect and The End of Craving to my reading list. Sounds like they take quite a few interesting turns. Thanks for another great video!
Chris & Mark, this was a wonderful conversation. Thank you. Will need to read the book. Fascinating hypothesis.
This was such a beautiful and magnificent show, I watched it twice and put it in my save and shared with many. Thank you so much.
So much depth and understanding. Thank you Chris for another excellent video.
Loved this. It just makes sense.
Wonderful. Thank you
Fascinating interview!
Thank you for introducing his ideas and knowledge to us.
Awesome interview! Thanks so much!
Enlightening information from a sharp mind in this well-produced interview
Mouth feel + salt and oil really pull me in and that's exactly what's in processed foods. Stopped eating them and now if I try to eat a plant based sausage or pizza the taste is really overpowering and I can see how it pulls me in. "Resistance is futile" is probably every junk food manufacturers mantra/goal. Does make eating real food harder but only in the beginning. Loose the taste and you're finally free. Freedom from xyz more important than ever. Can't quite believe how far I've come.... vegan, wfpb, non alcohol/smoking/drugs ... and discovered the gym at 57 woohoo what a combo.. xxx
Another brilliant interview!
Chris - very good episode. Please may I suggest you interview David Raubenheimer and Stephen Simpsin, authors of book - Eat Like The Animals. These two entomologist scientists have taken the nutrition world by storm, showing we eat until our need for protein is satisfied - and as very many highly processed foods have low protein content, we over eat them to our detriment... My lesson - as a whole food plant based eater - make sure theirs a useful moderate or high protein food on the plate to satiate and satisfy...
Thank you. Very interesting. I just happened on an article from Cornell yesterday that said be careful of protein and fat for domestic dogs because they will overeat it and get pancreatitis:
www.vet.cornell.edu/departments-centers-and-institutes/riney-canine-health-center/canine-health-information/re-evaluating-your-dogs-diet
Hermosa entrevista! Muchas gracias!!!
Geeze, Chris, since I saw you nerding out with Mic the Vegan the other day I have been binge watching your videos and I could leave my „Wow what a smashing interview and topic❣️❣️❣️“ at each and every one of them! I am sharing your channel as much as I can and hope more people find you- because they are missing out!!!!
Thank you for this one! (I will get my Goethe and his „ Italienische Reise“ out again right now!
This is a great video from a channel with great interviews! I've forwarded this to everyone I know.
Thanks! We're gonna do a TH-cam Live with him on Saturday, March 26th at 10 a.m. Pacific Time so people can ask him questions.
Excellent. Very informative.
Excellent interview, merci!❤
Great interview and Mark Schatzker’s books are really mind blowing.
WOW! WOW! WOW! BRILLIANT! Schatzker is amazing. Fascinating , new, and unexpected insights. Part of this conversation about how our brains work goes so far beyond food. These insights can inform why we do stupid stuff and even goes to the fallacy of mass incarceration. Is that a leap? Think about it. Not at all.
That's a fabulous interview. Having lived in Italy for 3 years I would venture to suggest Mark's presentation of Italian life is somewhat romanticized. Italians do eat a lot of foods that don't quite live up to the standards he describes. However, the thrust of his arguments still carries great force.
Great, so great interview!
I read several papers from a Chinese and Arabian group that found correlations between synthetic B vitamins in enriched carbohydrates (flour) and obesity.
It could pretty much be that deficiencies are bad but excessive amounts could swing the pendulum the other way.
BTW in the UK we had the horse scandal.... beef products had horse meat. So do we really know what's in the food?
This video answered a lot of questions. Thank you.
The B vitamins didn't make them fat; the corn and soy did. The B vitamins just kept them from being nutrient deficient and developing diseases.
Reminds me a lot of the studies into "mindful eating" like Thich Nhat Hanh's book "Savor". Plant-based eating can seem like a chore or taking your "medicine". Well thought out and not often spoken of topics. I saw that one of your videos hit the PBN channel - I hope that happens much more often.
A related observation... when I'm deliberately overfeeding (to build muscle), my sense of taste changes. Foods that I eat when I am trying to lose weight don't taste as good when I am trying to gain weight. In fact, the only foods that still taste good when I am trying to gain weight are the highly processed foods. It is hard to bulk up on whole foods.
Chipa are also about the dry, salty crunch. ..which is so much more satisfying than a moist crunch of veggies
Insightful interview. I'm a binger.
Great interview
Amazing stuff, I totally agree. After you can refuse produced food (it has to do something with reason, your brains - hey, we can not always work instinctively) you can learn to distinguish the taste and listen your body, since it tells you what are you missing or there is to many.
The things about Goetje and organic beings, I totally agree. As well as with Italian mentality. They talk a lot about what they're doing but the do it with passion. Perhaps the result is not a German precision, but is beautiful, tasty, satisfying.
At the end of the day it is all about the harmony, as the artist would say about their product.
Keep up the good work.
In US foods are supplemented with high fructose corn syrup/ whey/ bone broth/ cheese/milk - not only vitamins. That contorts our taste buds from whole fresh plant food. Then it’s advertised/ advertised/ advertised as “mychoice” to eat those. How about in Italy is this done
Well done interview. Especially enjoyed your expression at 36+ minute where the author mentioned "steak". You get points for expressing facially your indigestion at such a mention.
Hahaha, thanks! When Jack told me I wouldn't miss meat I thought he was nuts and I would never be one of those hippy dippy vegans who get repulsed at the thought of it. And here I am, repulsed at the thought of it...
Mark's love for Italy reminds me of Jordan Schlansky 😆
@plantchompers I had an experience with salt you may be interested in. I started upping my iodine, and my salt cravings ended. 3 servings of dulce a day and the salt shaker no longer is appealing. Before this, the salt shaker was irresistible. It feels like the light at the end of the salt tunnel!
Has anyone else felt this??
Fascinating! Did you get tested for iodine levels? I did and was on the low side of normal.
@@Viva-LongevityI did not, unfortunately. I was trying to solve my salt addiction and tried upping my intake of iodine to rule out the possibility. I could not seem to live on less than extra 3 servings of iodized salt per day. Recalling this video gave me the idea. Now it feels like I turned off a craving switch.
Now I wish I had done so, to confirm it was an iodine issue. Otherwise this is an anecdotal story. Know of anyone who might be able to do a study on it?
Absolutely amazing interview and information
I'm reading this book now and it is really great, thanks for the tip. Both you and Mark are fantastic!!
Pig Chow!!! This is rocking my world!! Thank you!
Chris brilliant as always.
Can you recommend a good practical book to help end cravings? Thank you.
I am not sure I can afford to keep watching your videos because they keep causing me to buy another book....now I need the "Doritos Effect" 😁 Seriously I am learning so much. Like others have said, this is fascinating, I want to understand it more and hope you do more on this subject. Thank you so very much.
Thanks Terry! It's an awesome book. 😁
Amazing! I’m heading out to the library today to find his book the end of cravings. Sounds somewhat similar to the pleasure trap by dr. Doug lisle! I have seen several TH-cam videos of ex vegans who decided they needed to eat beef liver because of the high niacin content…it just makes me wonder if they were craving niacin for some other reason nothing to do with eating plant based 🤔 anyways this interview really makes you think which is so important so thank you Chris!!! Keep em’ coming
This was a really fun video :D, loved all of it. The bit about Goethe was inspiring, and the outro xD
Thank you so much! I was afraid the Goethe bit was too long and esoteric so I almost trimmed it, but Mark was so passionate about it and I figured if someone has listened this far, they're probably really into the talk. Thanks for letting me know.
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you so much for this interview and these ideas and the interview.
very good speaker
That was brilliant.
10:10 Adverse effects of B6 supplementation have never been observed with daily intakes up to 1400% DV. And there are several studies suggesting potential health benefits of supplementing B6 with doses well above 100% DV. In the EU, a product must have at least 100% RDA (2 mg) of B6 for you to be able to claim that it "stimulates mental capacities", for example.
This was amaizing. Than you very much for all the work you are doing. You are contributing to the best possible future for humankind big time,I am sure of it. Thanks!
Wow! Mindblowing! 🤯👍