Hi ya guys. How are you 2. Well, I hope. I just wanted to do a heads up. Still getting Spam using your logo. Ugly people still out there. Hope the sun is shining in your part of the woods.
If you guys want to build a real sick civic it can't stay d or b series period, the h22 H2B swap is still nice all motor and CHEAP!. K's are where it's at once you go K you never go back but it's many $$$$. and well worth it.
5.26 "The car is reliable" No it's not. You clearly state "we are normal guys and are not trained mechanics." so how do you know if it's reliable? The bores are floating, soon as you boosted it, all it's reliable went out the window. That doesn't say much about your experts if they didn't tell you this first. You wouldn't Turbo a Subaru N/A block and tell people its reliable would you? For god sake one of you owns a Focus RS that keeps blowing head gaskets for the same reason. Moog's mini is a joke, he throw away the only thing Mini's do well HANDLE for what, Hp you can't put to the ground( Hey Moog my Mini use to be an 850 but my head leaves bruises on my ankles) If he actually caned a real UK "hot BMC Mini" round a track that JAP Mini would be for sale so fast. And the truth will set you free.
There's quite a few companies that offer kits for this, but your looking at $3k (aus) plus. If your a DIY type, the last of the line minis (here in the UK anyway) came with fuel injection.
I know, fair play to both of them for the progress they made in life and we should be grateful for the years of entertainment they have given us. There will always be the haters but you need to rise above them ,they don't speak the truth
Don't think you could. To go full motor you would have to engine swap to a different motor to get the power that this motor makes with a turbo at this price point.
@@eppyz that wouldnt be that expensive I think, it made like 170/180hp so you dont need the most expensive engine. Something like 1.6 vtec with some mods or an 1.8
@@b.w.9392 well if you can find an engine swap that puts this much HP and TQ down without forced induction installed for under $5k??? Would love to see it😎
@@eppyz I’ve seen 200hp on pump gas from the d16 vtec… p28 pistons, headers, intake, and a HUGE camshaft the one from rocket motorsports “stage 7” has made 200hp NA on a few different cars
@@Texas_Road_Warrior ok but I doubt they are putting out the TQ this engine has? So lets see you build a car NA that can outperform this Nugget Build in HP and TQ for under $5k installed. You just can't. This nugget build has the TQ what your describing just doesn't have. And for the Price???
I'm a honda Nut now and enjoy a good setup honda. (I raced a EG Civic B16A2 Swap for a bit, now moving to a EK Civic.) But. The Mini is the sworn enemy of our FWD domination. So, this race must be done. Battle of the B16's must commence!!!! Mini vs Civic!!!!!!!!!
Well the B16 Mini is lighter and smaller than the Civics. I'd say the yellow one would have a decent chance against the mini but the white civic, as Tuning Fork put it "has a bad breathing engine". But who knows. I really love the yellow EK hatch and would love to see another EG hatch done up on the channel but more properly than the first EG hatch years ago.
Minis are 750 kg stock ad a Minisport subframe and a B16 engine and auxiliaries = 900kg My factory 1.8 Clio weights 820kg assume the Civics about the same. It goes bye bye 👍
@@viperidaenz1 my car in the book says 950 kerb weight But it actually weights 820 on the scales, Cars from the 90s manufactures sent there cars to be weighed with full leathers Air con sunroof which adds about 100kg So to keep insurance down and for shipping reasons not to be fined for extra weight simple,,,, ish.
Hi guys loving your channel, I think that for most people this conversation is beyond their abilities, welding and the use of workshop and skills. Love your B16 mini, it’s my favourite car.
the title is called "How much" but I didn't actually catch the total price of everything. did I miss it? I heard the full list of things but what about their costs?
Head swap, y7 to y8 then a cam. Makes a big power difference. D16z6 or y8 heads also have tiny ports, when opened up flow just as good or better than b16 heads.
Look at 79th Productions for a super low cost , powerful and reliable turbo build, using the miriad of cheap and effective ecu solutions. So much good content on there from a humble chap.
Have you guys done a K20 or K24 Honda engine yet? Ideally in an S2000 or Miata, but in any old garbage Civic would be very fun. Thank you for your amazing videos!
Yeah, rusefi, speeduino or similar would be great and fit the type of build better. But they probably get the haltech ecu and support almost for free, so an easy choice for them. Though not as interesting to watch:)
The Haltech is actually pretty reasonably priced. In the grand scheme of things when you have other people working on your car, it might be worth it for time saved. If you DIY everything, a speeduino would have run this car very well. But even a P06 ECU with CROME could have worked well.
@@oambrosia Finding someone who tunes MS cant be that hard, speeduino for example is very similar. Josh who developed it is even from Australia:)But as i said, probably free haltech and they know the guys, so an easy choice for them.
Realistically for most people, it's just far easier to go out a buy a used car with the performance required than build it themselves. I appreciate the work you guys put into your builds but for just $10K Cdn, I just bought a 2008 Subaru WRX STI hatch that I love. I was thinking of turboing my 2002 Civic SIR but after some research, decided it wasn't for me.
This kind of tends to be the sisutation for a lot of places in North America. Esp where I live. I can't even just go to a junkyard and find parts to even frankenstien stuff together anymore.
same here in Europe, for about 10k€ I can get a good bmw e90/e92 330d with rear wheel drive and 265hp.. and this before removing the dpf filter and a good tune perhaps is boring on the tuning side, but is very reliable and sure as hell is a blast to drive
I want to turbo my xr8 falcon so I'm going to look at two spare rb26 gtr gt2530s with internal gates and factory headers and exhaust, I only want 450-500hp from it, and using all spare xr6 turbo parts where possible like two factory intercoolers, 4bar map, 4bar fpr, but a turbosmart eboost and wideband etcetera, should come close to $5000 with tuning included and me doing all the work
Ultimately the lack of a Limited Slip Differential is the limiting factor performance and cost wise with this car. As soon as you spend 1200 on the diff you get a 600 clutch/flywheel and crave more power so the list goes on from there. Budget Turbo doesn't really exist because as you said ability equipment and labour can significantly effect the final cost of the build. From experience ALL THE MONEY is enough. it always finds a home, in the end if you save some here and there you spend whet you got left anyway. Like oooh maybe ill get an A/F wideband with guage, or the better ECU.
Limited Slip Differential. Nail on head Yizzer. As it happens I drive a 98 Teg type R(Civic with pretensions 😁) and I've had a few FWD cars in my time and driven a fair few more, including a non Type R 1.8 SiR Teg and the _major_ difference I noticed straight away with the R, wasn't the lower weight, fettled engine and all that JDM stuff, it was the LSD. Almost from the very first corner. Totally transforms a FWD car and tbh I wouldn't drive an FWD in "anger" without one. Imho if Moog's Mini with the EK9 R B16 has the LSD it would have come with stock, it should walk away from the Civics on anything like a twisty track/road.
@@MrGrentchI drove a friend's DC5R back in the days. Compared to my Lsvtec DC9 it felt tame but faster. So I totally get what you mean. I have a CL9 with a tune and headers+ no LSD means I don't drive it in anger. LoL
Haltech work hours and parts is worth more then rest of the car. A build like this would never make sense without sponsorship even with cheap China parts.
Every project will cost a lot of money and time and you will always lose money (even with restaurations which make the cars worth more), there is no escaping that.
I'd be interested in the yellow civic against the mini, there is a weight advantage on the mini, chassis advantage for the civic, but what i'm thinking about is Tires. Do quality tires comes in mini-wheel size ? If it's going to be Michelin PS5 against kingstar eco-slugs because it's the only choice available the comparison kinda fall flat
Are you still able to pass inspection with a aftermarket ecu? My thinking with replacing the stock ecu you would get a check engine light and the obd2 port would stop working. Two things that would be a instant fail. Thanks
Jesus. I know nothing about all this stuff but yeah if that's true then I have instantly lost interest in this. I have no interest in track driving but was dreaming about a daily driver that was also great fun to drive 😭
Any chance you could make more power without swapping the ECU to a Haltech? They are not affordable where I live. $2k plus import duties makes them pointless when I can get a blower and a weber carb for less.
Putting it into a perspective with Bugatti service parts…. Righto. A quick look on Carsales and you can have a non VAG euro hot hatch for as little as $8K but the civic is peak JDM right. Even a Holden Astra VXR from 2015 are sitting at $13k. If you want a cheap, reliable, fast car that you can track, why would you spend upwards of $10k on parts, hoists, man hours and tuning on a crappy old Civic especially when wouldn’t be able to register the highly modified Civic?
Turbo D16 $2500 Wheels tires suspension $1800 standalone w/harness $917.99 Turbo(pulsar) Thats brand new, I can keep going but most people stop at the wheels.
Thanks for watching! More info and cost breakdown in the description if you wanna dive deep on the numbers! Prices accurate for March 2023.
Hi ya guys. How are you 2. Well, I hope. I just wanted to do a heads up. Still getting Spam using your logo. Ugly people still out there. Hope the sun is shining in your part of the woods.
If you guys want to build a real sick civic it can't stay d or b series period, the h22 H2B swap is still nice all motor and CHEAP!. K's are where it's at once you go K you never go back but it's many $$$$. and well worth it.
👍🖖🍺
5.26 "The car is reliable" No it's not.
You clearly state "we are normal guys and are not trained mechanics." so how do you know if it's reliable?
The bores are floating, soon as you boosted it, all it's reliable went out the window.
That doesn't say much about your experts if they didn't tell you this first.
You wouldn't Turbo a Subaru N/A block and tell people its reliable would you? For god sake one of you owns a Focus RS that keeps blowing head gaskets for the same reason.
Moog's mini is a joke, he throw away the only thing Mini's do well HANDLE for what, Hp you can't put to the ground( Hey Moog my Mini use to be an 850 but my head leaves bruises on my ankles) If he actually caned a real UK "hot BMC Mini" round a track that JAP Mini would be for sale so fast.
And the truth will set you free.
B16 Mini!
B16 Mini! Yes please!
More mini action. If you can offer fuel injection options for classic minis that would be awesome
There's quite a few companies that offer kits for this, but your looking at $3k (aus) plus.
If your a DIY type, the last of the line minis (here in the UK anyway) came with fuel injection.
30 seconds after post, I might be addicted.
The mighty D series, reliable, handles well :P
Would be cool to see a D/B/K series engine battle. DOHCs vs. SOHCs!
i would love to see the mini back on track
That Honda civic was a amazing Car Good job Marty Turbo it👏👏👏👏👏
Been with you guys from the start and it just keeps getting better and better top job lads 🙏👍🏻
Nope they're more lies. I liked them better on the driveway. Getting too big for their boots
@@Simpson195 oh boohoo, go watch paint dry
@@Simpson195 imagine being pissed that someone got successful at something they love?
I know, fair play to both of them for the progress they made in life and we should be grateful for the years of entertainment they have given us. There will always be the haters but you need to rise above them ,they don't speak the truth
Me to.
A "how much would it cost to make the same power N/A" comparison would be mint!
Don't think you could. To go full motor you would have to engine swap to a different motor to get the power that this motor makes with a turbo at this price point.
@@eppyz that wouldnt be that expensive I think, it made like 170/180hp so you dont need the most expensive engine. Something like 1.6 vtec with some mods or an 1.8
@@b.w.9392 well if you can find an engine swap that puts this much HP and TQ down without forced induction installed for under $5k??? Would love to see it😎
@@eppyz I’ve seen 200hp on pump gas from the d16 vtec… p28 pistons, headers, intake, and a HUGE camshaft the one from rocket motorsports “stage 7” has made 200hp NA on a few different cars
@@Texas_Road_Warrior ok but I doubt they are putting out the TQ this engine has? So lets see you build a car NA that can outperform this Nugget Build in HP and TQ for under $5k installed. You just can't. This nugget build has the TQ what your describing just doesn't have. And for the Price???
I dont care if the Mini chops the Civic (which we know it will) I just want to see it back on the channel again
B16 Mini, right now!
MCM … the best Monday therapy for all 38 of us that tune in daily 🦄
B16 Mini!
Now you mention it, yes, I do really want to see that.
I'm a honda Nut now and enjoy a good setup honda. (I raced a EG Civic B16A2 Swap for a bit, now moving to a EK Civic.) But. The Mini is the sworn enemy of our FWD domination. So, this race must be done. Battle of the B16's must commence!!!! Mini vs Civic!!!!!!!!!
B16 Mini right now!
B16 MINI battle please 🥺
But after this I've got no idea of the costs? How much was the custom exhaust?
Well the B16 Mini is lighter and smaller than the Civics. I'd say the yellow one would have a decent chance against the mini but the white civic, as Tuning Fork put it "has a bad breathing engine". But who knows. I really love the yellow EK hatch and would love to see another EG hatch done up on the channel but more properly than the first EG hatch years ago.
Minis are 750 kg stock ad a Minisport subframe and a B16 engine and auxiliaries = 900kg My factory 1.8 Clio weights 820kg assume the Civics about the same. It goes bye bye 👍
@@kinn1647 curb weight, 1100kg+ for an EK civic
@@viperidaenz1 my car in the book says 950 kerb weight But it actually weights 820 on the scales, Cars from the 90s manufactures sent there cars to be weighed with full leathers Air con sunroof which adds about 100kg So to keep insurance down and for shipping reasons not to be fined for extra weight simple,,,, ish.
Hi guys loving your channel, I think that for most people this conversation is beyond their abilities, welding and the use of workshop and skills.
Love your B16 mini, it’s my favourite car.
Integra build pls
the title is called "How much" but I didn't actually catch the total price of everything. did I miss it? I heard the full list of things but what about their costs?
Yeah crap title for the video
Of course the B16 Mini has to get in on the Civic action!
B16 mini, right now! 💪🏼
Would a cam swap be a good upgrade on this little nug? Open up that airflow
The yellow civic defs needs a 4wd conversion =)
Head swap, y7 to y8 then a cam. Makes a big power difference. D16z6 or y8 heads also have tiny ports, when opened up flow just as good or better than b16 heads.
B16 Mini, right nooooow!! Also a poster would be sweet for that too 😉
SKD 555
I'll be looking out for it around the traps
Im a fan of skid factory because of this channel
Look at 79th Productions for a super low cost , powerful and reliable turbo build, using the miriad of cheap and effective ecu solutions. So much good content on there from a humble chap.
He’s the budget king
Have you guys done a K20 or K24 Honda engine yet? Ideally in an S2000 or Miata, but in any old garbage Civic would be very fun. Thank you for your amazing videos!
There was a dream moog had about a s2k
If Moog still had the Exige a K-swap would've been a great project.
Great vid guys 👍
Love the second Chanel content you guys👌🏽
Make a video about how to road tune a car, touching on software and all.
B16 mini right now!
B16 Mini FTW!
Hi guys. I'd loooove to see a Mitsubishi Lagnum VR4 on the show. Rare AWD V6 twin turbo nugget estate
I find it pretty incredible that that’s the price for an entry-level Haltech ECU tbh. would like to see something like rusEFI tested, but yeah…
Yeah, rusefi, speeduino or similar would be great and fit the type of build better. But they probably get the haltech ecu and support almost for free, so an easy choice for them. Though not as interesting to watch:)
Yeah, as soon as they said okay Haltech ECU, I said yeah nah haha, not a (real) budget buid.
Another thing to consider is if you're paying someone to tune they may not want to use open source. "Everyone" knows Haltech, Holley, etc.
The Haltech is actually pretty reasonably priced. In the grand scheme of things when you have other people working on your car, it might be worth it for time saved. If you DIY everything, a speeduino would have run this car very well. But even a P06 ECU with CROME could have worked well.
@@oambrosia Finding someone who tunes MS cant be that hard, speeduino for example is very similar. Josh who developed it is even from Australia:)But as i said, probably free haltech and they know the guys, so an easy choice for them.
B16 Mini hell yeah
put an 8th gen civic steering wheel into it
I love the skids number plate!
Realistically for most people, it's just far easier to go out a buy a used car with the performance required than build it themselves. I appreciate the work you guys put into your builds but for just $10K Cdn, I just bought a 2008 Subaru WRX STI hatch that I love. I was thinking of turboing my 2002 Civic SIR but after some research, decided it wasn't for me.
This kind of tends to be the sisutation for a lot of places in North America. Esp where I live. I can't even just go to a junkyard and find parts to even frankenstien stuff together anymore.
Yeah but that's boring as hell
same here in Europe, for about 10k€ I can get a good bmw e90/e92 330d with rear wheel drive and 265hp.. and this before removing the dpf filter and a good tune
perhaps is boring on the tuning side, but is very reliable and sure as hell is a blast to drive
@@volkin26 That's over $16,000 Aud so not like for like
Honestly mate you would have been better off, would have been a lot more reliable than EJ any day.
This car makes me wish I did this to my EK when i owned it! always said i was going to but never did
I want to turbo my xr8 falcon so I'm going to look at two spare rb26 gtr gt2530s with internal gates and factory headers and exhaust, I only want 450-500hp from it, and using all spare xr6 turbo parts where possible like two factory intercoolers, 4bar map, 4bar fpr, but a turbosmart eboost and wideband etcetera, should come close to $5000 with tuning included and me doing all the work
Go to the track asap and bring the mini !
Look forward to that K swap that ive been asking for for a while 😉
I need to upgrade my rs3 now there's civics turbos out there
Mini vs all civics 🥳 that would be sick
Ultimately the lack of a Limited Slip Differential is the limiting factor performance and cost wise with this car. As soon as you spend 1200 on the diff you get a 600 clutch/flywheel and crave more power so the list goes on from there. Budget Turbo doesn't really exist because as you said ability equipment and labour can significantly effect the final cost of the build. From experience ALL THE MONEY is enough. it always finds a home, in the end if you save some here and there you spend whet you got left anyway. Like oooh maybe ill get an A/F wideband with guage, or the better ECU.
Limited Slip Differential. Nail on head Yizzer. As it happens I drive a 98 Teg type R(Civic with pretensions 😁) and I've had a few FWD cars in my time and driven a fair few more, including a non Type R 1.8 SiR Teg and the _major_ difference I noticed straight away with the R, wasn't the lower weight, fettled engine and all that JDM stuff, it was the LSD. Almost from the very first corner. Totally transforms a FWD car and tbh I wouldn't drive an FWD in "anger" without one. Imho if Moog's Mini with the EK9 R B16 has the LSD it would have come with stock, it should walk away from the Civics on anything like a twisty track/road.
@@MrGrentchI drove a friend's DC5R back in the days. Compared to my Lsvtec DC9 it felt tame but faster. So I totally get what you mean. I have a CL9 with a tune and headers+ no LSD means I don't drive it in anger. LoL
Haltech work hours and parts is worth more then rest of the car. A build like this would never make sense without sponsorship even with cheap China parts.
Every project will cost a lot of money and time and you will always lose money (even with restaurations which make the cars worth more), there is no escaping that.
At least a couple of us want to see that b16 mini...
B16 Mini, right now! 6:33
I like it when Moog acts normally
Would love to see the B16 mini again.
The B16 Mini vs the Civics would be amazing!
I'd be interested in the yellow civic against the mini, there is a weight advantage on the mini, chassis advantage for the civic, but what i'm thinking about is Tires. Do quality tires comes in mini-wheel size ? If it's going to be Michelin PS5 against kingstar eco-slugs because it's the only choice available the comparison kinda fall flat
Lots of sticky tyres available for the minis even on 13s
What about some supercharged, R53 Mini action? Are they common place in Australia. Boost is boost :D
Now that I would like to see a V 16 64 vale dibble over head mini twin turbo
Engineering cost to get it legitimately on the road seems to be overlooked?
I miss the B16 Mini. Bring it out!
All 32 of us here 🤙🤘😎👍
B16 mini challenge ...now!!!!!
B16 Civic right now!
Where do you find this turbo kit?
You can't beat cheap fun.
Is there any Audi RS4 coming in the future?
Are you still able to pass inspection with a aftermarket ecu? My thinking with replacing the stock ecu you would get a check engine light and the obd2 port would stop working. Two things that would be a instant fail. Thanks
in most states, it would fail.
on the other hand, if you know a guy that knows a guy....
Jesus. I know nothing about all this stuff but yeah if that's true then I have instantly lost interest in this. I have no interest in track driving but was dreaming about a daily driver that was also great fun to drive 😭
From memory, my Haltech elite 2500 has OBD2... So all good in terms of check engine lights.
@@jrbuch so the factory OBD2 port still works ?
Any chance you could make more power without swapping the ECU to a Haltech? They are not affordable where I live. $2k plus import duties makes them pointless when I can get a blower and a weber carb for less.
Can anyone tell me what song is in the intro?? been trying to find it for months!!
Looks like a c20xe on the rack what's going in with that gem
B16 mini yes please 😁
Yes please do a civic battle
Piss off scammer
Nice job guys!
Putting it into a perspective with Bugatti service parts…. Righto. A quick look on Carsales and you can have a non VAG euro hot hatch for as little as $8K but the civic is peak JDM right. Even a Holden Astra VXR from 2015 are sitting at $13k. If you want a cheap, reliable, fast car that you can track, why would you spend upwards of $10k on parts, hoists, man hours and tuning on a crappy old Civic especially when wouldn’t be able to register the highly modified Civic?
B16 mini lets goo
Can we get a link on everything? I would like to turbo a civic too!
Any video where we get to see the mini is a good video.
B16b mini vs civic lets go!!!
How much hp did the civic end up having?
B16 mini, right now
Best 2nd best channel on the tube
Yeah bring back the mini I want to see it chop everything
Turbo D16
$2500 Wheels tires suspension
$1800 standalone w/harness
$917.99 Turbo(pulsar)
Thats brand new, I can keep going but most people stop at the wheels.
B16 Mini!!!!🎉
Would a B16 from a Mini fit in my Honda?
B16 mini smash plz.
Can anyone identify the song played in the beginning?
Count my vote for the vtec mini to show up these civics…
B16 Mini now!
Does Isaac prefer civics to VW's and why?
how about a backwards mod: isuzu 3cyl diesel into a Falcon or Mustang (or something like that)
Ultimate sleeeper
in Europe, if you want something budget to buy and cheap to modify, buy a FORD or OPEL/Vauxhall.
B16 Mini
B16 mini please.
B16 mini right now
So how much does it cost to Turbo a Honda Civic then? Closest we got to an answer was "less than $10,000".
I dont really care the context, more vtec mini is always a good thing 😁
B16 mini throw down!
B16 Mini, right now.
Hell, yes..... b16 mini!
B16B mini would smoke every nugget civic on the track
Civic V B16 Mini?