Hahaha tonight is a great example- we had a family visiting from CA, and four of us at a time could be out riding together in the yard. That made it really special for my daughter- she got to teach her mama how to ride better! And then her mama taught her how to use a clutch. You always want to give your kid the childhood you wish you had- I had a wonderful childhood, but I really really really wanted more access to dirt bikes. These electric rigs are a great compromise! Kiddo likes art and bicycles more, but hey, it's great to have yet another activity to enjoy together!
Jeff, this was a great video covering a lot of material/aspects and literally, ground (pun intended). I had my own fling with an early emoto I got in 2016, before SurRon was an option. My battery died after 5 years and I haven't used the bike since, but I've always had the idea in my back pocket that I could purchase another battery and just use it for a grocery getter. I had a lot of fun rides and did a lot of learning with my Typhoon from Hi Power Cycles, a 2400W-hr, 6kW bike that was 115lbs. They integrated this electric system into a bike designed around a gas 125cc bike. I can appreciate all the effort you went thru to improve this bomb moto. Your final conclusions were great. In the final analysis, I believe the China bikes are junk and unreliable. For most people they will result in nothing but headaches. Money is better well spent on bikes built by reputable companies. Going cheap is not always a good time. We have limited time to invest in many things, and I find it's best to go with better engineered products. On another note I wanted to volunteer in Mount Baker last year, but my dream came true and that's what I've been doing this summer. I hit Galbraith four times already and really like it because it's there when I need to go food shopping and get a ride in. As an out-of-towner this makes things a lot easier. Also, I've been getting lots of hikes in at the various beautiful glaciated peak zones. I left my KTM 500 at home for this trip, but my Levo is great to ride up logging roads to trailheads for hiking.
Cheers man! You can likely get a new battery in there pretty easy, that'd be a fun little project! I'll be re-newing my Baker season pass in a few days, see ya up there!
Ok this thing is super cool. But you know what it needs? 165mm cranks. Jokes aside. Shuttle retrieval is a damn intriguing concept. Also also, "hall overheat" is weird because that references a Hall effect sensor, which is just a way for the control unit to keep track of the rotation of the motor. It's not a component you would typically associate with a lot of heat buildup.
I’ve often wondered about buying a blown up dirtbike and converting it to electric. Maybe tear one of these down and put it in a real dirtbike chassis.
I used to dream of that! But it's even more work than just getting one of these together. Between business ownership, being an involved father, and trying to keep myself in shape, I don't have the time necessary to completely DIY the entire thing.
I have a buddy who has built several this way and they are a hoot. He usually buys complete, running bikes then parts out the engine, etc. usually recouping a large chunk of the initial cost. Recommend the Honda CRF150R chassis for it's more robust suspension and better chassis geometry as well as the strong second hand market. I think he ends up around $3000-$3500 all-in by the time he's done. (plus a bit of elbow grease)
You should see if E-go will send you a review unit of their new Power+ Mini Bike. It uses the same batteries as their electric mowers, which Is very interesting...
I put a throttle controlled Bafang motor on a fatbike a while back just to play around and every once and a while go to Luna Cycle's website to see what ludicrous ebikes they're selling now. You've confirmed that all this (cheaper) stuff is still in the hobbyist / enthusiast space and I think you touched on why with the 48V KTM / Hollister Hills entrance check....these ain't legal in the USA. Regulations might need to change before we see any Japanese emotos outside of Trails bikes. Until then I'll ride standard mtb and gas motorcycles.
Cheers, you totally understand it mate! Last night we had two families cruising around the yard on all the electric bikes- perfect use case for them. But they are not an end all, be all by any means. I'd love for a street plated Ultra Bee, but I'd like the battery range to be a bit better. Riding to the trails alone would eat up over half the capacity. And spending $4500 on a battery for a $6500 bike doesn't make sense!
@@JeffKendallWeed At the end of day, two wheels is two wheels and a lot of fun. No matter what or where you are riding - try to be considerate of others around you and not harsh anyone else's vibe. I mean, sometimes it happens by accident, coming around a corner hot or something, but being apologetic and courteous goes a long way.
Yeah I was tempted for a moment... but am leaning more toward Surron or E-Ride Pro just to try something different. The amount of time and effort I've had to put into these rigs to just get them this far along is a bit disappointing. Seems like the other style is a bit more "dialed" for the $. If KTM or a Japanese OEM were to release an 85 equivalent in electric, that'd be more tempting.
Sadly you are not allowed to drive those anywhere here now. That includes: on and around motocross tracks, any street, any forrest, in many cases your own property
Jeff I can't imagine that crap you might take for this. I totally think electric motos are the future and they are going to be way better for maintenance and noise. I'm waiting for you to ride and review the Stark 😀
@@JeffKendallWeed Aren't they? I did a test ride on a new RM powerplay this summer, and my overarching feeling was that it was a very slow dirt bike. You just spin the cranks instead of twisting the throttle. To be clear too, at least at the powerplay level I didn't think it felt at all like pedalling... They're just spinning, there's basically no work involved. Combine that with the way the muscle activity completely changes on climbs and drops, and it's a very dirt bike feeling. Just like, say a 50cc, or maybe a 25. My thing is primarily XC style climbing and tight technical descent though, so maybe in those places the way the power comes in is more invasive.
@@JeffKendallWeed “put a motor on it” is the natural end state. It’s a challenge to not go full motorcycle. I like that you put the mini e-motorcycles to work. It’s a good shuttle option over a heavy e-bike all of the time or a motorcycle all of the time or making another rider stay with the car.
Head to www.DrinkLMNT.com/Jeff to get your free sample pack with any purchase.
Damn Jeff is doing something right. “My daughter might wanna get in to dirt bikes so I got her three to choose from” 😂
Hahaha tonight is a great example- we had a family visiting from CA, and four of us at a time could be out riding together in the yard. That made it really special for my daughter- she got to teach her mama how to ride better! And then her mama taught her how to use a clutch. You always want to give your kid the childhood you wish you had- I had a wonderful childhood, but I really really really wanted more access to dirt bikes. These electric rigs are a great compromise! Kiddo likes art and bicycles more, but hey, it's great to have yet another activity to enjoy together!
Yessssss, please keep making videos on the bomb moto bikes.
Jeff, this was a great video covering a lot of material/aspects and literally, ground (pun intended). I had my own fling with an early emoto I got in 2016, before SurRon was an option. My battery died after 5 years and I haven't used the bike since, but I've always had the idea in my back pocket that I could purchase another battery and just use it for a grocery getter. I had a lot of fun rides and did a lot of learning with my Typhoon from Hi Power Cycles, a 2400W-hr, 6kW bike that was 115lbs. They integrated this electric system into a bike designed around a gas 125cc bike. I can appreciate all the effort you went thru to improve this bomb moto. Your final conclusions were great. In the final analysis, I believe the China bikes are junk and unreliable. For most people they will result in nothing but headaches. Money is better well spent on bikes built by reputable companies. Going cheap is not always a good time. We have limited time to invest in many things, and I find it's best to go with better engineered products. On another note I wanted to volunteer in Mount Baker last year, but my dream came true and that's what I've been doing this summer. I hit Galbraith four times already and really like it because it's there when I need to go food shopping and get a ride in. As an out-of-towner this makes things a lot easier. Also, I've been getting lots of hikes in at the various beautiful glaciated peak zones. I left my KTM 500 at home for this trip, but my Levo is great to ride up logging roads to trailheads for hiking.
Cheers man! You can likely get a new battery in there pretty easy, that'd be a fun little project! I'll be re-newing my Baker season pass in a few days, see ya up there!
@@JeffKendallWeed Stop by Heather Meadows viz ctr Th-Sun to say hi... come with the kids for hike😎
Ok this thing is super cool. But you know what it needs? 165mm cranks.
Jokes aside. Shuttle retrieval is a damn intriguing concept.
Also also, "hall overheat" is weird because that references a Hall effect sensor, which is just a way for the control unit to keep track of the rotation of the motor. It's not a component you would typically associate with a lot of heat buildup.
Do the front forks need to be upgraded I notice there are no adjustments or air nipples to mess with?
Review and Electro and Co ETM if you can. I have a couple Torrots that we mess around in the yard on which are a blast.
I’ve often wondered about buying a blown up dirtbike and converting it to electric. Maybe tear one of these down and put it in a real dirtbike chassis.
I used to dream of that! But it's even more work than just getting one of these together. Between business ownership, being an involved father, and trying to keep myself in shape, I don't have the time necessary to completely DIY the entire thing.
I have a buddy who has built several this way and they are a hoot. He usually buys complete, running bikes then parts out the engine, etc. usually recouping a large chunk of the initial cost. Recommend the Honda CRF150R chassis for it's more robust suspension and better chassis geometry as well as the strong second hand market. I think he ends up around $3000-$3500 all-in by the time he's done. (plus a bit of elbow grease)
New Talaria MX5 from Luna looks pretty cool
Yeah, it's FIRE!! 🔥🔥🔥😆
Love the video would watch again
Cheers mate!
You should see if E-go will send you a review unit of their new Power+ Mini Bike. It uses the same batteries as their electric mowers, which Is very interesting...
Ah that thing is more utilitarian than what I normally get into, but great suggestion!
I put a throttle controlled Bafang motor on a fatbike a while back just to play around and every once and a while go to Luna Cycle's website to see what ludicrous ebikes they're selling now. You've confirmed that all this (cheaper) stuff is still in the hobbyist / enthusiast space and I think you touched on why with the 48V KTM / Hollister Hills entrance check....these ain't legal in the USA. Regulations might need to change before we see any Japanese emotos outside of Trails bikes. Until then I'll ride standard mtb and gas motorcycles.
Cheers, you totally understand it mate! Last night we had two families cruising around the yard on all the electric bikes- perfect use case for them. But they are not an end all, be all by any means. I'd love for a street plated Ultra Bee, but I'd like the battery range to be a bit better. Riding to the trails alone would eat up over half the capacity. And spending $4500 on a battery for a $6500 bike doesn't make sense!
@@JeffKendallWeed At the end of day, two wheels is two wheels and a lot of fun. No matter what or where you are riding - try to be considerate of others around you and not harsh anyone else's vibe.
I mean, sometimes it happens by accident, coming around a corner hot or something, but being apologetic and courteous goes a long way.
Yar! I need to finish my ct70 build, get some mini moto bham group rides going! mwaha
A CT70?! Old school!!! I am learning that the mini motos are best for kids- for dads, they just break wallets hahaha!
@@JeffKendallWeed bahaha. I hear that.
I’d like to see you on the new mx5 talaria
have you seen the new B2 that just released? Its slightly larger... closer to an 85cc in size.
Yeah I was tempted for a moment... but am leaning more toward Surron or E-Ride Pro just to try something different. The amount of time and effort I've had to put into these rigs to just get them this far along is a bit disappointing. Seems like the other style is a bit more "dialed" for the $. If KTM or a Japanese OEM were to release an 85 equivalent in electric, that'd be more tempting.
What’s the front sprockets called?
You should start another channel for this kind of content.
Love it.
Cheers Tucker!
omg these are awesome!!
Cheers Chris, great riding with you tonight!
jeff literally can manual everything...... next time a shopping cart pls
Hahaha the pit bikes are pretty easy to wheelie! I struggle much more with gas bikes, but have made a lot of progress over the years.
not an ebike, thats a MOTORCYCLE
Sadly you are not allowed to drive those anywhere here now. That includes: on and around motocross tracks, any street, any forrest, in many cases your own property
Where are you located? That's crazy you can't ride an electric toy on your own property! I'll make sure I never come and visit hahaha!
Jeff I can't imagine that crap you might take for this. I totally think electric motos are the future and they are going to be way better for maintenance and noise.
I'm waiting for you to ride and review the Stark 😀
Hahaha thanks Arthur! That Stark looks interesting, but it's a lotta $$$! I'll wait for gen 2 or 3- or a more battery dense version of the Ultra Bee.
The natural progression of e-bikes ends at dirt bikes. With a few exceptions for the side-by-side “why am I using my legs like a sucker” crowd.
I don't understand your comment, eMTBs are nothing like motorcycles.
@JeffKendallWeed Jeff, don't think he was referring to eMTB, he said e-bike, must have meant emoto/mini moto.
@@JeffKendallWeed Aren't they? I did a test ride on a new RM powerplay this summer, and my overarching feeling was that it was a very slow dirt bike.
You just spin the cranks instead of twisting the throttle. To be clear too, at least at the powerplay level I didn't think it felt at all like pedalling... They're just spinning, there's basically no work involved. Combine that with the way the muscle activity completely changes on climbs and drops, and it's a very dirt bike feeling. Just like, say a 50cc, or maybe a 25.
My thing is primarily XC style climbing and tight technical descent though, so maybe in those places the way the power comes in is more invasive.
@@JeffKendallWeed “put a motor on it” is the natural end state. It’s a challenge to not go full motorcycle. I like that you put the mini e-motorcycles to work. It’s a good shuttle option over a heavy e-bike all of the time or a motorcycle all of the time or making another rider stay with the car.
@@biketothetop yup. eMTB come in different flavors. I like class 1 because it is primarily a bike. Electric pit-bikes aren’t MTB.
Get a talaria mx5!
This is electric mini dirt bike
2 years ago?? Wtf!
Hahaha in only two years, the Mototec went from what I rode with kiddo to what she LOVES to ride!
I bought a sample pack and didn't like it at all.....yuke
Sorry to hear that! I like grapefruit, citrus, watermelon, and raspberry.
Frist :)
Howdy Caleb!