This is immensely helpful. I'm usually squared up to the foul line and when I move left its difficult to constantly hit my target or throw a strong shot.
I had a coaching video from Norm Duke many years ago where he showed how he opens up his stance to play more inside. It was one of those tips that almost took no practice to implement. He said to drop your foot, hip and shoulder equally back when setting up on the approach, and just throw it the same as you normally would. It helped me quite a bit.
@@nvmcogames Basically when you setup in your stance on the approach, take the foot, hip and shoulder on your throwing arm side, and move them back an equal amount (can try different amounts based on how deep you're throwing), then just go through the rest of your approach as you normally would.
@@nvmcogamesif your playing straight, you’re feet should be parallel to each other (which will keep your hips/shoulders square). To open your hips/shoulders as you move inside, you don’t rotate your shoulder, you drop your right foot back in your stance, and that opens things up automatically. JR here is just saying that your swing path is parallel to your shoulders yet, not straight back from the foul line.
I think this is why I have always struggled with playing in. Even as a two handed bowler I can't play in very well, but this might help break that habit!
Thanks for this vid, JR! You've hit on one of the big problems with bowling coaching advice, where things are taught as stuff you must always do, rather than clarifying the concept and helping the bowler understand how to apply it in different situations. Like you said, bowlers are taught to have a straight armswing, but they aren't taught to align their body to their target, so that no lather what target they're trying to hit on the lane, that armswing remains straight! One thing I was taught that helps me with this, is to draw an imaginary black Sharpie line from my target pin or the pocket, back through the arrows, back to where I'm standing on the approach. If I do that, my feet, hips, shoulders and eyes are all aligned toward my target. It's also interesting that European bowling coaches, such as Juha Maja, teach the concept of "ETT"--Everything Towards Target." Last, the points you make in this vid are also really important for spare shooting, where the bowler has to learn to ignore the lane being perpendicular to the approach, and roll shots at an angle across the lane. Shooting a corner pin is pretty close to moving to an inside strike line, except that most bowlers don't equate the two. If they did, there's a good chance inside strike lines wouldn't look or feel so strange or uncomfortable.
Due to my lack of ball speed and high rev rate, I play almost exclusively inside, but I can play down the outside as needed. A trick I learned to make playing inside easier is angling my feet and my body at the start of my approach. This lets me direct my swing in the proper angle. I've had success (on very dry lanes) hitting the arrows 1 board right of 6th. [On the house shot I am usually playing 4th arrow or just right of it]. When I have to play straighter up the lane, I straighten out my body position at address.
Thank you for this! As a lefty, I could never understand how "swinging the lanes" actually work. So, I never play in. Instead, I either throw harder, or move in slightly (no more than throwing over the 10 board). I cant wait to practice this!
@JayAyers • Being a seasoned Lefty, I've felt your pain. J.R. speaks a simple truth, but it takes much more than moving right and opening ones' stance. Proper release techniques, ability to control axis tilt and various rotations, ball speed, etc, play a key role in success as well. The more you know the further you'll go. Keep on Push'n my brother. May good fortune lighten your path.🎳
This is my struggle too.. lol. I play straight 5 or 10 board with a weak ball hooking it into the pocket so my approach and swing are straight together.. need this for a strong ball
Thank You again. Great video. I have been asking this exact question for years. Practice tomorrow will be on this swing direction. Also include: (DON'T WALK TO THE TARGET, WALK UP STRAIGHT.
@@jfabritzmost people take too extreme of angles to begin with so by bringing the angle all the way back to the start position they would end up with the wrong launch angle. If you can do it correctly then you lose nothing.
My swing and style is very very similar to EJs. One big exception is my lay down is 8 boards right of my ankle which I hate. Outside of drills to retrain the body, which is difficult after 39 years of bowling, any recommendations to bring ball closer to ankle at release? I’m trying to keep elbow in atm to very minimal +/- 1-2 bords results
Was bowling 2-3 times a week plus’s bowling 10 to 15 games on the side Gave up bowling 10 years ago high avg 234 12, 300 3 800’s high 843 Many 299’s Count less 279 Would imagine the ball are crazy high tech now
With 11 mph (on screen) when I move deeper I fight tendency to spin the ball to add length. I am finding just a little turn at release is fine and prevents ball from hockey stick at end of pattern. In recent years I have noticed more pros (righties) have follow thru to the left. Is this helpful when playing deeper, or not necessary?
Would like a video or something on why might the bowling ball get stuck in thumb and the ball ends up in the air and you foul 🤣😤 had that issue tonight in league it’s something that’s not happened in a long time
If playing inside, do you line up at the approach with body slightly at an angle being perpendicular to your target as you make your approach? Or do you line up parallel to foul line and shift slightly during your last step of your approach to be perpendicular to your target? Seems one would have to drift to the right (for right handers) in order to remain perpendicular to target throughout one’s approach if playing inside.
Maybe the terminology used could be better, or better explained, just as you have done here JR. When you see other saying "keep your swing straight", then it will be interpreted as straight up the lane, as I've interpreted it from other videos. Thanx JR, I used to try doing this but tried changing it to "straighten" my swing. Looks like I was right the first time.
Thanks for this video my husband and I fight over my arm swing needing to be straight when bellying the ball. Then he gets mad because my ball crosses in front of my body, feels like I'm aiming for my left shoulder. Oh no I hit the 2 pin. He belly's the ball way far away from ankle 12 inches or more falls off of shot ends on wrong foot. But he bellied the ball. Then I hope he talks to other people and forgets about giving me lessons. LOL
@@machinethesun9243 He wants me to have the same ball path as if I was standing square shouldered at the foul line. Tried to tell him to stand behind me to the left with my shoulder open he will see it is straight. He says my swing plain on 25 board should stay on 25 all the way in back swing and forward with an open shoulder. I try telling him swing plain in back swing should go from 25 to maybe 30 board with open shoulder then to 20 at arrows to 10 board at break point.
If you lay the ball on board 39 aiming @ 1 board at the breakpoint, which could be considered the most extreme, it barely gets to 4 degrees of angle. Not being able to open the lane is more of a mental thing, not an angle thing. Regards
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Every time I get home from practice and struggle with something, there’s a video out exactly about it. Thank you for this!!
This is immensely helpful. I'm usually squared up to the foul line and when I move left its difficult to constantly hit my target or throw a strong shot.
I had a coaching video from Norm Duke many years ago where he showed how he opens up his stance to play more inside. It was one of those tips that almost took no practice to implement. He said to drop your foot, hip and shoulder equally back when setting up on the approach, and just throw it the same as you normally would. It helped me quite a bit.
Can you elaborate on this please?
That’s a gutter for me
@@nvmcogames Basically when you setup in your stance on the approach, take the foot, hip and shoulder on your throwing arm side, and move them back an equal amount (can try different amounts based on how deep you're throwing), then just go through the rest of your approach as you normally would.
@@nvmcogamesif your playing straight, you’re feet should be parallel to each other (which will keep your hips/shoulders square). To open your hips/shoulders as you move inside, you don’t rotate your shoulder, you drop your right foot back in your stance, and that opens things up automatically.
JR here is just saying that your swing path is parallel to your shoulders yet, not straight back from the foul line.
I just got done Bowling and this makes so much sense and it’s exactly what I was struggling with all night! Thank you!
I think this is why I have always struggled with playing in. Even as a two handed bowler I can't play in very well, but this might help break that habit!
Thanks for this vid, JR! You've hit on one of the big problems with bowling coaching advice, where things are taught as stuff you must always do, rather than clarifying the concept and helping the bowler understand how to apply it in different situations.
Like you said, bowlers are taught to have a straight armswing, but they aren't taught to align their body to their target, so that no lather what target they're trying to hit on the lane, that armswing remains straight!
One thing I was taught that helps me with this, is to draw an imaginary black Sharpie line from my target pin or the pocket, back through the arrows, back to where I'm standing on the approach. If I do that, my feet, hips, shoulders and eyes are all aligned toward my target.
It's also interesting that European bowling coaches, such as Juha Maja, teach the concept of "ETT"--Everything Towards Target."
Last, the points you make in this vid are also really important for spare shooting, where the bowler has to learn to ignore the lane being perpendicular to the approach, and roll shots at an angle across the lane. Shooting a corner pin is pretty close to moving to an inside strike line, except that most bowlers don't equate the two. If they did, there's a good chance inside strike lines wouldn't look or feel so strange or uncomfortable.
Thanks JR. That just help me with what I’ve been doing on the land.
Thank you JR! You are 100% correct.
Due to my lack of ball speed and high rev rate, I play almost exclusively inside, but I can play down the outside as needed. A trick I learned to make playing inside easier is angling my feet and my body at the start of my approach. This lets me direct my swing in the proper angle. I've had success (on very dry lanes) hitting the arrows 1 board right of 6th. [On the house shot I am usually playing 4th arrow or just right of it]. When I have to play straighter up the lane, I straighten out my body position at address.
I think this is definitely an issue of mine. Going to try to put this into practice
Thank you for this tip!!!! I had an issue with this for years
This tip will help me alot. I have been standing on 28-30 staying straight at the foul line and trying to hit 15.
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Thank you for this! As a lefty, I could never understand how "swinging the lanes" actually work. So, I never play in.
Instead, I either throw harder, or move in slightly (no more than throwing over the 10 board).
I cant wait to practice this!
@JayAyers • Being a seasoned Lefty, I've felt your pain. J.R. speaks a simple truth, but it takes much more than moving right and opening ones' stance. Proper release techniques, ability to control axis tilt and various rotations, ball speed, etc, play a key role in success as well. The more you know the further you'll go. Keep on Push'n my brother. May good fortune lighten your path.🎳
Ah this answers my question if I’m standing over say board 20-25 and I want to aim for the second arrow board 10
Damn Good Coaching! Been bowling for Decades and never seen that Demonstration Before, until now...Great tip for me on Pertaining to Accuracy.
This is my struggle too.. lol. I play straight 5 or 10 board with a weak ball hooking it into the pocket so my approach and swing are straight together.. need this for a strong ball
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Thank you sir for your videos it really helps me. Keep up the good work and thank you for making me a better bowler
Thank You again. Great video. I have been asking this exact question for years. Practice tomorrow will be on this swing direction. Also include:
(DON'T WALK TO THE TARGET, WALK UP STRAIGHT.
Devil's Advocate: Why not walk to the target if you have trouble opening up your body for an extreme shot like that? What do you lose?
@@jfabritzmost people take too extreme of angles to begin with so by bringing the angle all the way back to the start position they would end up with the wrong launch angle. If you can do it correctly then you lose nothing.
Good video
Maybe that’s why when I try to play inside I can never get to the pocket just rolls to the 3-6 area
My swing and style is very very similar to EJs. One big exception is my lay down is 8 boards right of my ankle which I hate. Outside of drills to retrain the body, which is difficult after 39 years of bowling, any recommendations to bring ball closer to ankle at release? I’m trying to keep elbow in atm to very minimal +/- 1-2 bords results
Was bowling 2-3 times a week plus’s bowling 10 to 15 games on the side
Gave up bowling 10 years ago high avg 234
12, 300
3 800’s high 843
Many 299’s
Count less 279
Would imagine the ball are crazy high tech now
What lb. Kettle ball should you use, the same weight as your gear?
With 11 mph (on screen) when I move deeper I fight tendency to spin the ball to add length. I am finding just a little turn at release is fine and prevents ball from hockey stick at end of pattern.
In recent years I have noticed more pros (righties) have follow thru to the left. Is this helpful when playing deeper, or not necessary?
Would like a video or something on why might the bowling ball get stuck in thumb and the ball ends up in the air and you foul 🤣😤 had that issue tonight in league it’s something that’s not happened in a long time
If playing inside, do you line up at the approach with body slightly at an angle being perpendicular to your target as you make your approach? Or do you line up parallel to foul line and shift slightly during your last step of your approach to be perpendicular to your target? Seems one would have to drift to the right (for right handers) in order to remain perpendicular to target throughout one’s approach if playing inside.
There should also be foul lines to the side.
Are you walking toward our target also? Or are we walking perpendicular to the foul line? Thank you.
Walking straight to the foul line
So are we just adjusting our upper body (chest) during our 4 or 5 steps approach?
Maybe the terminology used could be better, or better explained, just as you have done here JR. When you see other saying "keep your swing straight", then it will be interpreted as straight up the lane, as I've interpreted it from other videos. Thanx JR, I used to try doing this but tried changing it to "straighten" my swing. Looks like I was right the first time.
Thanks for this video my husband and I fight over my arm swing needing to be straight when bellying the ball. Then he gets mad because my ball crosses in front of my body, feels like I'm aiming for my left shoulder. Oh no I hit the 2 pin. He belly's the ball way far away from ankle 12 inches or more falls off of shot ends on wrong foot. But he bellied the ball. Then I hope he talks to other people and forgets about giving me lessons. LOL
Sounds like you are tugging it due to late timing?
@@machinethesun9243 He wants me to have the same ball path as if I was standing square shouldered at the foul line. Tried to tell him to stand behind me to the left with my shoulder open he will see it is straight. He says my swing plain on 25 board should stay on 25 all the way in back swing and forward with an open shoulder. I try telling him swing plain in back swing should go from 25 to maybe 30 board with open shoulder then to 20 at arrows to 10 board at break point.
If you lay the ball on board 39 aiming @ 1 board at the breakpoint, which could be considered the most extreme, it barely gets to 4 degrees of angle.
Not being able to open the lane is more of a mental thing, not an angle thing.
Regards
IMHO, your problem is that you always walk straight toward the lane, instead of walking straight toward your mark.