Stop farming Legend 10! // Do you ACTUALLY need a Hammerhead?
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- bit of a double feature today, didn't want to make two individual videos for two short topics. we'll discuss legend 10 vs. legend 50 farming and whether or not you actually need a hammerhead if you have commemoration.
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''You're a machine, for about 3s... And then the fun is kinda over'' - My wife, probably
Oof
delectable
Beat me to it.
take my like.
😂😂😂😂😂
My body is a machine that turns 315 ammo to 0 in under 30 seconds
*the atf would like to know your location*
"It costs four hundred thousand dollars to fire this weapon for twelve seconds."
Actium War Rig would like to know your location
*Title* : "DO NOT DO THIS"
*Datto* : "Do or dont idc."
aight.
What i learned is: i should try Hierarchy of needs in onslaught
It seems like a pretty good choice, if only I could get one to even drop
Nah.
@@Bagel920 sorry bro i've been getting your drops (already have 10+)
I think it would be especially helpful in a map like Mothyards where enemies seem more distant at least to me.
It gets stronger the more people use it
I think it's worth mentioning that you do get 4 tokens from wave 10+ a higher chance to see the tormentor rush event, with them being at their easiest. Legend 10s are very competitive with 50s and fit quite nicely in the turn off your brain and do 30 minutes of Destiny kind of vibe.
50s are more rewarding while being more demanding of your time and attention, I think they're both in a good spot and have something for everyone
Yea but the wave 50 thing is only worth for people who can consistently get a full clear if someone's team is dying anytime before wave 40 it would be better to stick to the wave 10 farm as all of the actual buffs are after wave 39 and onward
Very well said @sahande.2557
I was thinking the same thing
This is the first time I've seen anyone cross multiply anything in a destiny 2 video. But then again, I'm a titan main, and I have trouble counting past 4
😂😂😂
Quick! Count to fifteen to kill the Witness!
After 4; you just throw your hammer cause fuck that 💀
What's 4?
That’s a lie. Titans can only count to 2, otherwise it’d be called 1-2-3-4 punch
Something to mention for Hammerhead is that it has way less reserves than commemoration. No idea why, but that alone makes Commemoration 100x better.
To be fair back in the day Hammerhead was the go-to PvP MG. It has a base 90 Aim Assistance. Kind of like how the Multimach and even Summoner came back with better PvE perks, I think that's whats going on here. The weapon stats itself still reflect the PvP stats of the old but with perks that give it a better leg in PvE.
The old Hammerhead at best I think had Feeding Frenzy + Rampage as it's PvE perk and that was about it. It had things like Genesis and Shield Disorient which was ok for harder level content but for the most part it's perk pool was very PvP centric.
Its because enhanced killing tally increases reserves. Which is what everyone runs on their commemoration
Commemoration is not better than Hammerhead. Hammerhead is the best LMG in the entire game.
@@FlashesSoccer011 no!
@@paladindoesd2 nice counter argument.
The hammerhead is better in every single way. The commemoration has been replaced.
As someone who’s both a permanent fan of Hammerhead and who never got a good Commemoration to drop/enough red borders, I don’t need to watch this…but I’m still gonna watch it to know what my opinion should be
if you've gotten it at least once you could just keep opening the first secret chest in dsc on 3 characters each week, i started like a month ago because i forgot the chest existed and i'm now at 3/5 for the pattern
100% agree
@@dankerbell that’s…why did I never think of that.
Maybe I really am as bad at Destiny as I think I am.
I get bored doing regular runs on 10 wave normal, after 4 runs. I can’t imagine doing 50 on legend more than once
A good game mode but investing a hour doing the same thing is not my thing. I like strikes play mode as at least it mixes up things and is more relaxing mixes with intense moments
I’m a solo player now so hammerhead and MC are a must
MC turned me into a hand cannon main now 😁
Just feels good
Commemoration is one of the easiest red border raid weapons to farm. Kinda sad bro
Don't sleep on Rampage + Killing Tally with Actium War Rig. That auto loading means you basically have the Reconstruction + Killing Tally Commemoration but with Rampage for free. It rips through stuff with great ammo economy
and I get to play the best class in the game? say less, my friend
Meh you won't use actium in any content that warrants double dmg MG perks.
Everything will die in 1 bullet up to like -18 that isn't orange and yellow+s are better off sniping/rocket'ing.
Yeh i get it funzies blah blah but endgame isn't 'fun' anyways everything is a bullet sponge.
And yeh I've solo'd a couple of GMs before you start crying muh endgame.
@@fotis3v480 You people optimize the fun out of Destiny. Just because it's not the best possible loadout doesn't mean it's not worth using.
@@fotis3v480and playing meta isnt necessarily fun either, way to have tunnel vision and bias to support your point only
Yeah i get it you get no b*tches and dont touch grass but others who can see past the nerdy meta like to have funsies with their game.
@@fotis3v480the whole point of getting the meme actium roll is so that Actium IS useable in endgame 😂 the most fun in destiny for me is making off meta actually good lol
do i blindly take his opinion or rebel against the vault killer
2:54 I've never felt more like a titan than starting at this point
I was just expecting a min/max discussion and i wasn't disappointed. Thanks for laying out the facts so i can make up my own mind.
The solo player experience for onslaught is awful. People will not play smart, not communicate, waste salvage, and if they’re dying and being the weakest link they’ll leave midway through or leave right after the first wipe
Not to mention they don't touch the batteries half of the time
Ok well it's not a solo activity so what did you expect lmao. Just lfg
@@jamesjameson7384who would’ve known This 3 player activity is not friendly to people who play with randoms, go figure.
This is good to know, I've been wanting to get into this mode, but I wasn't sure if I should LFG or not. Though I'll probably bite the solo bullet until I'm confident I can hold my own in an LFG.
Use the in-game lfg for onslaught legend, you can find good people there.
Midnight Coup with Firefly + One for All is a beast
Yeah it’s great for low to mid tier content, for higher end content I’d rather have EP/Frenzy or EP/Kinetic tremors.
@@Copeharder00explosive OFA is better then frenzy. The damage boost is a whopping 30 and is double frenzy. Sure the ease of use and the reload but high end content needs damage and that plus payload is a total of nearly 50 percent
@@Copeharder00that's exactly why I kept a firefly/ofa and a shoot to loot/tremors. May sound kinda weird but my cope reasoning is tremors can proc shoot to loot and i haven't gotten firefly/ep + tremors yet 😂
@@samvakariandon't fear i kept a cope Attrition, Kinetic even tho i know there's a 90% chance I won't use it over ep,frenzy😂.
I’m happier with firefly rampage I lose 2% but it just stays proc’d as long as I keep killing.
I really like these kind of videos where Datto breaks down the math and does numbers
Datto should call up lawyer Jez because Fallout is suing him for $24.02M in damages for all the vault cleaning over the years
These defamation cases are getting out of hand
I’ve heard rumours Borderlands also consider a lawsuit against Datto. You don’t mess with the Vault without Hyperion taking an interest.
Not the 24:02 :(
6:41 Tell that to my rng because I constantly getting other weapons except the one I'm attune at the moment and it is frustrating to get the non-focused weapon. Especially on the midnight coup. I been constantly getting frenzy or desperate measures on my rolls. Just give me a shoot to loot & kinetic tremors / explosive payload & one for all damn it. 😭
Commemoration is long. Takes up the whole screen 😌
i really enjoy rampage with killing tally. together theyre 63.1 and with 2 surges and a major spec it comes out to a 87.8% damage increase. just makes every bullet count more. its also good add clear with grav lance on a void build because of destabilizing.
This is exactly how I was feeling about Hammerhead. I like the feeling of Commemoration loading while stowed and pulling it out with a giant magazine. Hammerhead’s double damage perks are great at ripping through adds but the base mag feels so bad in comparison. Swapping it for Envious or Rewind just makes it feel like Commemoration with a different coat of paint. I’ll keep grinding and keep any fun rolls I get but for now I’m sticking with Commemoration.
Me with 2 more Retrofits that can have Deep sight actived on them in my inventory. I knew I would want it so one day when it was at Banshee I garbed enough for crafting when I got the Deepsight activations. So for now I've been using my trusty Shattered Cipher. Snice, like you said works well with Void Hunters, using Gyrfalcons, All the volatile and all the time.
You can still get retrofit. You do the specific exotic weekly quest.
I've been really enjoying an Explosive Payload/One for All Midnight Coup with Alloy Mag even though it goes against my intuition; it's quite nice when i do remember to empty the mag or just run dodge/etc
Envious on Hammerhead is also really good, for the most part in like non GM or Contest content, I have still around 150 shots of KT x5, super fun
Retrofit is attainable through exotic rotator. I wanna say seraph but that may be wrong. The roll is worth having for certain long style bosses (easy 8-9 mill on tether hunter in warlords etc).
you can still farm retrofit from seraphs shield when its the active mission. There are a bunch of other weapons that can drop too, though.
i have no clue which rolls to farm for honestly lol. got a b&s envious assasion edge transit im happy with tho
I hate getting bait and switch as a roll. My soul dies every time I get it😂😭
@@iammicrochip156 Why? It's the only good perk in the fourth column.
@@iammicrochip156my brother, what is your dps in groups
@@lordpumpkinhead265 For some reason the game keeps giving me BaS. I’m tryna get other rolls bc I already have decent BaS rolls but nope. Here’s 6 more copies of the same roll😭. It’s gotten to the point where I’m tired of seeing it bc I get it so much
@@lordpumpkinhead265Deconstruct is in the 4th column. Deconstruct on a GL is great.
My opinion has arrived
Thanks Datto! I know what to think now
Clean your vault
Not after he made me delete all my sunset trash 😜
😂😂
@@GloverGaming3 Well if you're calling it trash did you need it anyways?
I got one with envious assassin and onslaught, and while its not a meta roll or anything, its different enough from Commemoration for me to enjoy using so keep an eye out for that roll if it sounds fun to you
"Do you ACTUALLY need your Bungie account?"
-Datto
I'd argue no, especially after Lightfall.
Retrofit is obtainable, the pattern drops as part of the Operation: Seraph Shield exotic mission rotator
I have a shiny drop of Hammerhead that's envious/fttc in the third and killing tally in the fourth. It's good for perk swapping where applicable on my double special void build, but it's still a machine gun with those limitations
I have basically the same roll (8/9 traits/ MW) on your hammer head except i have Killing Tally instead of onslaught. It is much better for ammo economy. I get 3 kills to get KT up to full damage and then even having rampage x1 the thing cooks! X3 absolutely burns the world and it is quite fun.
It more of a comparison between Indomitablity vs Brey Inheritance origin traits.
I'm looking for a Rewind Rounds/Onslaught hammerhead tbh, just to keep the fun going another second or two
Crafted machine fun from deep stone is better IMO if you can try to get that it can roll with reconstruction and multiple damage buffs 120 ammo
@0:02 Any reason not to multi stream?
Doesn't Twitch allow that now?
Though, I guess depending on the platform you might wanna get a dedicated mod...or two. ;)
I love my qua xaphan, dynamic sway and destabilizing. I don’t know why I would need another void ad clear option… I seemingly always am playing off meta lol
Isn't retrofit escapade still available from the Seventh Seraph exotic mission?
Retrofit is obtainable tho, you can get it from operation seraph, I got 2 red borders this week, only 1 left to that crafted retrofit
You can get retrofit and the patterns by doing seraph shield.
Datto, it be cool to see you do a destiny music tier list i know it would take time to do it but i would like to see your opinion on the music of d1 and 2
On console a target lock fttc hammerhead is actually a good pick for something like GMs. It works well for champions and mini bosses where you need to keep your distance. It’s much more stable than retrofit so you can proc both target lock and fttc at range. Retrofit kicks like a mule on console so trying to hit every bullet on a target further away is more difficult.
I gotta say, I got a shiny envious/surrounded hammerhead and I will never use another LMG. My previous favorite was corrective measure but I can very comfortably scrap all of them.
Very first Hammerhead I got was a shiny with Rampage/Rewind Rounds and Killing Tally/Target Lock. That was a short weapon farm.
I find it useful to an extent for lower level add clearing, but without having an auxiliary perk (say chain reaction or firefly) to kill large swath's of adds (and even higher level enemy), it takes too long TTK with yellow bars to the point where you get overrun (in Onslaught in particular). I recall back in the day the original hammerhead seemed to clear adds faster, but there probably weren't as many coming at you in the content at that time. I've gone back to my old faithful Gjallahorn and even Thunderlord, or any of the recent grenade launchers that have chain reaction perk (before it gets nerfed during final shape of course). I stopped farming for it and am pretty much done farming now as I got a blast furnace with kinetic tremors and firefly that I like. Doesn't appear Luna's Howl will be worth my time as I have a few hand cannons I already like and Sunshot has been by go to for some time (PVE only).
Onslaught gives a hidden reload bonus based on how many stacks of Onslaught you have. With base reload stat, Onslaught x3 puts you at 95 reload speed.
No need for another reload method, but you should always consider a Loader mod on your arms, especially if you can run it Harmonically.
IIRC x1 is 15 reload, x2 is 25, and x3 gives 35. In terms of reload: I think Feeding Frenzy is the best not only for the +reload stats but because Feeding Frenzy is also a reload scalar allowing it to go passed cap.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 Feeding Frenzy is best perk for strictly reloads but I imagine people will wanna run Rampage in that column. Feeding Frenzy is definitely my no. 2 pick though.
I have a Midnight Coup with Payload/Tremors. Infinite range! It's so fun!
I wish those shiny weapons were Adept versions. I'm already set with my rolls on my normals guns, and shinies with bad rolls will just be dismantled. Maybe next expansion
I have an Unwavering Duty with Killing Tally and Subsistence and its amazing. I dunno why I dont see this getting used more. Still a 450 machinegun and with this season being wild with solar its so good.
Envious Assassin and Killing Tally is real nice
so what ad clear wep are you using to proc ammo on your ad clear wep?
lul
envious on a weapon thats solely for ad clear is not ideal
Glad to see somebody else preach the firefly ofa roll on the coup. The moment I saw that combination on it, I knew I'd be kicking fatebringer to the curb.
Fourth Times and Target Lock was what I went for with my hammerhead, that thing is nice for boss DPS Destabilizing and kill tally is nice for a void add clear build 👌
I'm cool with my curated Hammer Forged, Armor Piercing, 4th times the charm, Killing Tally Brave Hammerhead. 85Range with 90Aim Assist is nuts. You don't miss.
3:44 'i f'd up" lol
I enjoyed running a level 50 but found myself constantly wondering when it was going to be over and needing to save my teammates who kept doing silly things. One hour is a long time to dedicate to a matchmade activity with no guarantee of winning, so probably won't go back to it. Good to hear the ROI isn't that much lower for 10s.
I noticed with your onslaught hammerhead you had extended mag but I actually think it's probably better to go with flared magwell because with onslaught x3 you have 95 reload and stack that on top of flared magwell and you should be able to keep the onslaught between reloads. Of course it still won't have the best ammo economy dumping your ammo out so fast but I do think that's the way to go.
Btw, did they change xenothaph so I need to use a trace of the same type as my subclass? Because I think it says so on the exotic but when the mask got into the game it was bugged and just worked on all tracerifle subclass combis. Sooo divinity + solarlock is okay?
I'm glad I can use my old Hammerhead soon, because as nice as the new rolls are, it doesn't get MULLIGAN, which is better than you think on Machine Guns. The Season of Plunder MG could get it, but that thing couldn't stay on target, whereas Hammerhead can happily sweep multiple targets and save enough ammo to matter.
You can get Retrofit Escapade from Operation Seraph Shield!!
Yes you should grind hammerhead although once onslaught ramps up it’s hard to control cause it fire so fast but my hammerhead rolled with onslaught and rampage I’m still trying to get rampage and killing tally roll
love using movement tech in the pyramid, movement tech usually only benefits yourself, but i've had people sit on the spark and wait for me to grab it knowing im the fastest, it makes me happy because i built my character for movement speed and now i can use it for the whole team and not just myself (overlooked but movement tech helps in the higher diff because you fuck with the AI and they cant hit you when you're speeding through the air, even shriekers loose you with one eager edge swipe, then there is block for rez, and using movement tech to close to gap for a rez, or to soar over a group of enemies if you manage to get high enough the sword doesnt track to them)
Sounds like you suck
Envious Assassin has become one of my favorite heavy perks on Hammerhead/Edge Transit. I usually don't pull out my Heavy unless we're getting absolutely swarmed with adds, and when I do, it's hilarious to have 200+ in the mag. Killing Tally helps me make sure I get the maximum damage out of those 200 rounds.
Envious is really good on that neomuna machine gun too
Got a destabilizing onslaught hammerhead . . . . . Its amazing.
As someone with about 50k kills between 2 Timelost Fatebringers, I have never dropped them faster than when I got firefly/Ofa midnight coup, now I just gotta get that perfect shiny version
I feel ya I have 25k on my frenzy timelost and been using that exact coup roll
Our only clear so far was around 90mins😅 so 10 wave farming seems a little easier and less stressful
Do you think that the intrinsic on commemoration is better though? I feel like the ability and super gen is inherently better than the intrinsic on the new weapons.
Ive ran both legend to 50 multiple times , ive ran the 10 one as well. Deleted countless hammerheads, forbearance, and falling guillitine and still no god rolls on any, starting to piss me off already!!
Hammerhead with Killing Tally / Rampage is the best roll i have. It does stupid damage. Mine has flared Magwell for at least acceptable reload but maybe a magazine perk would be better.
Another Datto Informational PSA 👍🏻
Retrofit does drop from seraph shield
It’s time to be informed on my weekly rotating opinion
Man, I missed Datto math. More pls.
math class is in session
Yes
i also got that midnight roll not shiny though, big rip
5:00 I stand by demo OFA on corrective measure being better than commemoration
Listen, I may not need any of these Brave weapons (my opinion), BUT they look cool and they're shiny, collectors' pieces if you ask me, and the rolls are pretty nice across the board.
I’ve got a Corrective Measure from Vault with subsistence and firefly. I don’t know, I can’t think of an ad clear role I’d want more. I’ve used that weapon for its entire ammo reserve without having to reload in GM level content just killing ads. It makes getting these new machine guns weird for me because none of them have the sustainability that my old one has
On midnight coup does firefly damage count for one for all stack and another question does firefly also get buffed by one for all?
Both answers are yes I believe.
Yes
If I'm not mistaken, doesn't Retrofit drop from the Revision Zero mission?
It drops from seraph shield. The longest of the exotic missions in rotation.
For Midnight Coup, does AFO or Rampage increase the damage of Firefly explosions?
I farmed for craftable commemoration so I’m just using that
I wish I could do just even ONE legend onslaught. My team has been trying since it came out and we've been consistent around 40-49, but not 50 final.
It's fun and challenging, but I really do want to make at least one full run, I'll farm less runs if it's more worth it in the end.
I got a shiny midnight coup with explosive payload and kinetic tremors and it slaps
Thanks daddo i didnt have an opinion on this and now i do
What masterwork do you want on commemoration
I think people are sleeping on the fact that Hammerhead has destabilizing rounds in the first column. I've been running around with Destabilizing rounds + Killing Tally on my hammerhead for my void hunter ad clear and it's felt like a monster all the way up through Legend 50 boss rooms. Due to hammer head being a machine gun, it doesn't have the same issue as primaries with the same perk where 'ohh, this single volatile proc doesn't let me kill the enemy any faster'. You can drop a 3 shot into a 2 shot and also completely wipe the wave with this set up, procing volatile on everything without the need for volatile rounds (something that can be a bit annoying to keep active on Orpheus hunter specifically) and giving you the ability to quickly stack killing tally again in very few shots after a marksmans dodge reload.
It feels utterly fantastic and I'd suggest going for a roll like this if one can manage it. Destabilizing/Onslaught wouldn't be bad either but as he pointed out, ammo economy exists and as fun as Onslaught is it's just burning more of your heavy ammo. But yeah, strongly recommend this for any Orpheus hunters out there, it will treat you right.
Is envious assassin any good instead of rewind for hammerhead?
Even in a long dps phase linears or something like whisper or even dragons breath is still going to be better.
Only problem ur not taking into account the time it takes to go into the activity and leave it, which takes sometime 2-3 min
Datto you forgot to mention the best machine gun in the game. Its name is 21% delirium
Don't tell em. Still gives a 65% damage boost 💀
Destabilizing rounds for hammerhead could be good if we get a void artifact.
I mean the one you get from the quest works for me more often then not
I need that 7/5 hammerhead asap
My man with Hierarchy of Needs, I've been waiting to see someone, ANYONE, using it, thank you lord Datto
I dont need to farm it because my farms done. Shiny with Envious/FTTC + Onslaught/(and TTT but who cares).
With a possible base mag of 75 if I use backup mag and appended, I can get my mag to hold 225 rounds then swap to FTTC. 150 rounds + 75 rounds that proc FTTC. I think that gets it to close to 300 rounds fired? Paired with Onslaught, yeah it's a beast.
Why that midnight coup roll and not another? I just like knowing what a top tier player values from one gun compared to another
Took me exactly 1000 waves of Legend Onslaught to get to the Coup roll I wanted. Idk if I have the will to go and get Hammerhead after that.
No shinny at the end still feels bad man
Im trying to get the rampage killing tally roll specifically for an Actium build lmao
It still frustrates the hell out of me that we are in a situation where we would say to people not to even TRY and finish Legend 50 if youre going for max efficiency and cant quite handle it. Because we should be in a situation where we are saying things more like "if you are constantly making it comfortably to 30 or 40 ABSOLUTELY go for 50, why wouldnt you, you get such a big influx of drops for finish the 50." Like, why is bungie still so afraid of givings us drops, I feel like the coil is INFINTELY more rewarding for the amount of time it takes. That big room of like 5 or 6 chests at the end of platinum run is just not there for onslaught.
I agree with the general point, but I don't think it's Bungie's fault per se, it's just that many gamers are unwilling to try to stretch their skills out at all, either because they don't believe they can or they just don't want to interact with games in that way for whatever reason. The best experiences in games are often difficult ones, so I like to encourage people to go for 'em, even if they don't think they can handle it.
I agree with you for sure. Just try…. It’s literally a game.
@@life-destiny1196People optimize the hell out of it, so it’s partly their fault for doing that and not just doing what’s fun, but also bungie should know that people do that and account for it, which they did well in the coil, but didn’t here.
50 isn’t that hard it gets annoying as hell that people randomly leave after 30 waves that went by completely with ease. I could understand if you had a random constantly dying in the lower waves and you know this isn’t going to happen but when all three of you basically cake walk to 30-35 why leave? Three times yesterday. Good solid quick moving runs and someone leaves and suddenly it’s just two of you and no replacement teammate at all.
Plenty of people are doing legend 50. It’s not a big deal, people are having fun with video game.