JABBR is actually wildly accurate with its scoring. They have 30+ cameras they use to catch all the action. They've got it up to speed by watching thousands of boxing matches. I've dived into it pretty deep because I found it interesting and it's pretty amazing how well it works. JABBR actually scored the first fight 10-2 for Usyk. It showed that Tyson only landed more punches in 5/6. It showed that Usyk landed DOUBLE the amount of punches and power punches in Round 12, which everyone including the judges gave to Fury. That's the real problem in boxing. The inherent bias, incompetence, and/or outright corruption with the judges. Because we didn't have AI judges, Canelo got to rob Triple G of at least one win and most likely two. Guys get robbed and we get awful decisions all the time in boxing. And people just bitch and moan for a day and then shrug their shoulders and act like nothing can be done. Something can be done. Define the rules of scoring better instead of letting them be so vague and subjective and then get the idiot humans out of the way. if human judges were so good you wouldn't have the British judges always giving British fighters the most generous scoring every fight. Same thing with Mexican judges always seeing Canelo's performances with rose colored glasses. It's absurd we're just cool with the system we've got. Check it out for yourself! www.youtube.com/@jabbr6434 Usyk v. Fury final stats. You can see the AI's scoring bottom right box at the top. th-cam.com/video/FcF2NvkhtJ8/w-d-xo.html
@@wtwhizz Ahhh okay , thanks . It still means Usyk can be robbed , for some reason I feel even more uncomfortable about the judging this time. I believe more than ever Usyk must ko to win , and , I think he will . Great info thanks again
@@pauldaniels7543 Yeah, I think Usyk knows they're absolutely going to try robbing him again. He looks bigger this time around. I think he's going for the knockout.
Hopefully if it is a set up/robbery the AI will at least prove it was a robbery, unless the AI is rigged too. It's obviously not official scoring but it'll be interesting to see the results. I'd prefer to see Fury get KO'd though, then there's no excuses.
It baffles me how many people are so sceptical about this without ever checking it out. Jabbr has been around for a good number of years now; it was already used for the first Usyk-Fury bout (and it clearly showed how it wasn’t a close fight at all, as Fury only outlanded Usyk in two rounds) as well as several other Riyadh Season shows, such as the Joshua-Dubois bout. It’s not biased, it can’t be paid off, it doesn’t miss things, it isn’t influenced by commentators shouting or fighters showboating, and it takes such nuances into account as who pushes the action, ring generalship, aggression while being on the front foot, etc.-things that all should be taken into account when scoring a fight but still rarely are. Do sceptics actually believe that judges with one viewpoint or BoxRec guys pushing buttons in real time are more suited to the task of deciding a boxing match accurately? Hawk-Eye technology revolutionised tennis, and Jabbr will do the very same with boxing.
My 9 year old son, thinks I'm a cave man when I tell him for fun we used to kick a can in the street and climb tree's for our entertainment, there was no internet, no mobile phones, no games consoles, he thinks I'm being funny, I'm 61 and cannot keep up with the tech we have now, the changes I have seen in my short lifetime is like something from a very far fetched Sci Fi movie, AI is just another new terminology I have heard which for me is like the sky net in the Terminator movie, I'l be back.
A bit older than you, but kids today will never experience the fun you can have, going out late at night with your mates, to climb trees and go 'scrumping.'
Technology is as good as the parameters we build it to. Not a bad idea in principle (as an experiement) it will either confirm what we already know or force us to change our approach
AI isn’t real. It’s a tool for collecting large amounts of data and providing an opinion based on a consensus (whether that consensus is right or wrong). Judging boxing is an art as well as a science and when it comes to art (either music or painting etc), all AI is doing is stealing/plagiarising real artists work and then mashing them up and calling it something new. Adding this is just another side show of Turkis that is totally unnecessary and will distract from the main event
AI judging will be great when done right. The only metric that matters is clean punching. The cleaner puncher is the more effective aggressor, smarter ring general, and better defender. Half of boxing fans don’t even know the rules of scoring rounds. They add in their bollocks opinions but he WUH coming forward
Tech may not be perfect right now, but it's getting a lot better every few months (not even years). I think consensus in how to score fights is a problem, but historically there is a consensus among fans for who won with hindsight after the dust has settled (e.g. lewis / holyfield 1, most people now agree), and there's so much out there that you could use to train AI, it could also learn in those controversial fights why most people with hindsight felt that X fighter won, and then compensate for that. Yes it would not be perfect, but it would get better and better, and surely that's better than the ceiling we hit a hundred years ago with 'X fighter should win because that then clears the way for them to fight Y', or they are younger / more marketable / fluent in English so we can make more money off them etc etc. Boxing has always been plagued with corruption, and a change as they say is as good as a rest. Although having said that, they would probably still find a way to tweak the code towards one fighter of or the other...
To be honest, real judges will never be replaced by AI. It cant judge if a fighter is hurt by a punch or the effectiveness of it. Unless it develops a mind of its own (which it may well do in a few years). AI has come across massively these last few years but subjectivity is not a place it's improved. The only thing we can do for boxing judging is train competent judges and punish them for bad scoring
What a bunch of bull this all is, it's a tool. What a machine cannot do, is think or notice who is more aggressive in a fight, or what it takes to land that punch. I do not believe AL can tell the difference between a punch thrown and a punch landed. It also cannot tell a low blow, etc etc. I hope Usyk comes in like Fury with his Shorts UP TO his BOOBS. Going all OUT to try and make Fury win.
Can it sense if the punch was blocked or not? Kinda feel like they’re trying to help fury win as much as possible if it goes to decision. Usyk 100% needs a KO
It wouldn't have cared because Ali's rope-a-dope strategy meant he knocked you out after you blew your gas tank. If Ali hadn't knocked Foreman out, he'd have lost the fight, obviously.
2:09 it’s a bit like the auto pilot is switched off generally in an emergency. Pilots can think outside of the box. I know you hate that phrase.
JABBR is actually wildly accurate with its scoring. They have 30+ cameras they use to catch all the action. They've got it up to speed by watching thousands of boxing matches. I've dived into it pretty deep because I found it interesting and it's pretty amazing how well it works.
JABBR actually scored the first fight 10-2 for Usyk. It showed that Tyson only landed more punches in 5/6. It showed that Usyk landed DOUBLE the amount of punches and power punches in Round 12, which everyone including the judges gave to Fury.
That's the real problem in boxing. The inherent bias, incompetence, and/or outright corruption with the judges. Because we didn't have AI judges, Canelo got to rob Triple G of at least one win and most likely two. Guys get robbed and we get awful decisions all the time in boxing. And people just bitch and moan for a day and then shrug their shoulders and act like nothing can be done. Something can be done. Define the rules of scoring better instead of letting them be so vague and subjective and then get the idiot humans out of the way. if human judges were so good you wouldn't have the British judges always giving British fighters the most generous scoring every fight. Same thing with Mexican judges always seeing Canelo's performances with rose colored glasses. It's absurd we're just cool with the system we've got.
Check it out for yourself!
www.youtube.com/@jabbr6434
Usyk v. Fury final stats. You can see the AI's scoring bottom right box at the top.
th-cam.com/video/FcF2NvkhtJ8/w-d-xo.html
Amen!
Thanks for this - good info
Good writing kid. I agree fully.
@@wtwhizz Ahhh okay , thanks . It still means Usyk can be robbed , for some reason I feel even more uncomfortable about the judging this time. I believe more than ever Usyk must ko to win , and , I think he will . Great info thanks again
@@pauldaniels7543 Yeah, I think Usyk knows they're absolutely going to try robbing him again. He looks bigger this time around. I think he's going for the knockout.
Just sounds like another way for Turki to rob Usyk should it go to score cards.
Did you not watch the video? It has no impact on the judges results
Hopefully if it is a set up/robbery the AI will at least prove it was a robbery, unless the AI is rigged too. It's obviously not official scoring but it'll be interesting to see the results. I'd prefer to see Fury get KO'd though, then there's no excuses.
I dont know anything about football. But the people I know that do all tell me that the introduction of technology is ruining it!
What’s the difference between the Ai technology and compubox stats etc
Compubox is basically someone pushing a button every time a punch is landed.
It baffles me how many people are so sceptical about this without ever checking it out. Jabbr has been around for a good number of years now; it was already used for the first Usyk-Fury bout (and it clearly showed how it wasn’t a close fight at all, as Fury only outlanded Usyk in two rounds) as well as several other Riyadh Season shows, such as the Joshua-Dubois bout. It’s not biased, it can’t be paid off, it doesn’t miss things, it isn’t influenced by commentators shouting or fighters showboating, and it takes such nuances into account as who pushes the action, ring generalship, aggression while being on the front foot, etc.-things that all should be taken into account when scoring a fight but still rarely are. Do sceptics actually believe that judges with one viewpoint or BoxRec guys pushing buttons in real time are more suited to the task of deciding a boxing match accurately? Hawk-Eye technology revolutionised tennis, and Jabbr will do the very same with boxing.
My 9 year old son, thinks I'm a cave man when I tell him for fun we used to kick a can in the street and climb tree's for our entertainment, there was no internet, no mobile phones, no games consoles, he thinks I'm being funny, I'm 61 and cannot keep up with the tech we have now, the changes I have seen in my short lifetime is like something from a very far fetched Sci Fi movie, AI is just another new terminology I have heard which for me is like the sky net in the Terminator movie, I'l be back.
Ha Ha
I can only imagine a kids face when you tell him you used to climb trees
“But why?”
😂
A bit older than you, but kids today will never experience the fun you can have, going out late at night with your mates, to climb trees and go 'scrumping.'
Technology is as good as the parameters we build it to. Not a bad idea in principle (as an experiement) it will either confirm what we already know or force us to change our approach
AI isn’t real. It’s a tool for collecting large amounts of data and providing an opinion based on a consensus (whether that consensus is right or wrong). Judging boxing is an art as well as a science and when it comes to art (either music or painting etc), all AI is doing is stealing/plagiarising real artists work and then mashing them up and calling it something new. Adding this is just another side show of Turkis that is totally unnecessary and will distract from the main event
AI judging will be great when done right. The only metric that matters is clean punching. The cleaner puncher is the more effective aggressor, smarter ring general, and better defender. Half of boxing fans don’t even know the rules of scoring rounds. They add in their bollocks opinions but he WUH coming forward
Tech may not be perfect right now, but it's getting a lot better every few months (not even years). I think consensus in how to score fights is a problem, but historically there is a consensus among fans for who won with hindsight after the dust has settled (e.g. lewis / holyfield 1, most people now agree), and there's so much out there that you could use to train AI, it could also learn in those controversial fights why most people with hindsight felt that X fighter won, and then compensate for that. Yes it would not be perfect, but it would get better and better, and surely that's better than the ceiling we hit a hundred years ago with 'X fighter should win because that then clears the way for them to fight Y', or they are younger / more marketable / fluent in English so we can make more money off them etc etc. Boxing has always been plagued with corruption, and a change as they say is as good as a rest. Although having said that, they would probably still find a way to tweak the code towards one fighter of or the other...
This isn't the event for testing technology
It's a bit of fun, it wont have any real bearing on the outcome, so it doesn't matter what fight you use it on.
To be honest, real judges will never be replaced by AI. It cant judge if a fighter is hurt by a punch or the effectiveness of it. Unless it develops a mind of its own (which it may well do in a few years).
AI has come across massively these last few years but subjectivity is not a place it's improved.
The only thing we can do for boxing judging is train competent judges and punish them for bad scoring
Don't think it would work
Is this for real Joe ? Skulduggery definitely a foot if that's true. Controversial outcomes are not good. Usyk must knock Fury out .
No it's not. It has no impact on the judging of the 3 judges
Love the t shirt
What a bunch of bull this all is, it's a tool. What a machine cannot do, is think or notice who is more aggressive in a fight, or what it takes to land that punch. I do not believe AL can tell the difference between a punch thrown and a punch landed. It also cannot tell a low blow, etc etc. I hope Usyk comes in like Fury with his Shorts UP TO his BOOBS. Going all OUT to try and make Fury win.
Can it sense if the punch was blocked or not? Kinda feel like they’re trying to help fury win as much as possible if it goes to decision. Usyk 100% needs a KO
You're stuck in your British past. Boxing doesn't need human emotions in the score cards. Human error had destroyed boxing single handed.
An ai judge will be a easier way to guarantee a certain outcome you don't have to pay off ai
I think AI is the way Turkie is going to rob Usyk of this fight for they can force a trilogy if this happens I will never watch a Saudi event again...
Wonder what AI would've made of Ali's 'rope-a-dope' strategy?
It wouldn't have cared because Ali's rope-a-dope strategy meant he knocked you out after you blew your gas tank. If Ali hadn't knocked Foreman out, he'd have lost the fight, obviously.
@@wtwhizz Ali was ahead on the scorecards