I’ve got a feeling turkis’ enthusiasm towards fury was a manipulation tactic to guarantee fury was actually going to turn up to the fight. Fury was probably aware that the fight was going to go the distance - if he thought turki was leaning towards him, he might get the rub of the green on the decision, hence less chance of going awol.
Usyk deserves all the praise he’s been an absolute blessing to watch. We are witnessing a genuinely legendary fighter. Fury deserves credit too! He’s also been such an impressive heavyweight being able to implement that style for such a big man is kind of unique in the heavyweight division. Fury goes down in history too, probably as a wasted talent to a degree but also as a precocious special talent.
I agree with your opinions on both men here. Usyk has literally become a legend in his own lifetime. And to see Fury, all 6' 8" of him, come so close to matching Usyk for skill, speed, technique and stamina, while carrying 20lbs of blubber round his waist and years of bad living on his shoulders, was amazing. Personally, I think they both deserve recognition as ATG heavyweights.
Same, I am actually wondering now did he say all that to make people think he was Tyson's boyfriend and was gonna bend over backwards to make sure he won on the night. Which puzzles me as I thought Turki might like a HW champ more in an Usyk mould what with how decent and respectful he is rather than classless Fury. May Turki was playing everyone and actually likes Usyk more 😂 not. Right man won the fight.
@@RabidGerry He likes Fury, but Fury is unpredictable. He has to use their affinity for each other do get him to accept these fights. It's like when he said whoeve pulled out of the last fightwould be fined 10 000; that was for Fury. He knew Usyk wouldn't pull out.
Same here. Thing is though, only the few rounds Fury won were close - there was a case inbeach for Usyk. It was not even a close fight. Usyk won clearly. To give it to Fury would have been really hard
Fair play for coming back to this Joe. Yes hands up, I was one of those pre fight sceptics and I’m very happy to be proven wrong and very happy for Usyk. Once again sadly fury showed little humility and lot’s of bitterness after the fight. I can’t name a fighter who has achieved more in such a short time to answer your question, the big bully got more than he bargained for once again and how he must regret his actions and words now. The size difference between the two is huge and for Usyk to twice not only beat the biggest heavyweight fighter around shows how good he really is.
I must admit, the way the judges scored the first Usyk vs Fury fight, then Turki openly saying he wanted Fury to win the rematch, didn't exactly fill me with confidence that it was going to be scored fairly!
Turki regained my respect. I think he does care for the Riad Season's good reputation in the boxing world. I think he also must have reflected on the backlash of that rabbit cooking video which was not taken positively at all by most of the boxing audience. Uncle Frankie must be crying bitter tears now and poor Fury be double brokenhearted if they though Turki's going to play along with them just because he likes their jokes. Which makes me double happy.
I think the Saudi dynamic is enormously different to anything we've ever seen. Traditionally, the boxing industry would cook the books for money. The difference here is that the Saudis aren't in any way reliant on boxing to make money. They're putting on these events for PR, and the money it costs them to do it, while astronomical in the eyes of everyone else involved, is completely trivial in comparison to the constant flow of billions of dollars coming in from their oil reserves. I'm increasingly convinced that the Excellent Turki is a real boxing fan: he's primarily interested in seeing fantasy matchups and wants them to play out fairly. While Warren, Arum and Hearn would happily bung a manilla envelope to whoever they need to to get the result they want for maximum profit, the amount, in fiscal terms, that they'd stand to make from fixing these fights is no incentive whatsoever for the Saudis. They make more in interest on the money they've already got than they would from a trilogy fight between Usyk and Fury, so why ruin the spectacle with corrupt judging? I believe putting the AI judge in place alongside the official judges was a good move: no human judge wants their professional competence called into question by a computer.
I think i agree with everything you said, especially about reputation and integrity in these events. Hearn, Warren and Arum are going to have to accept the fact that if they work with Turki, they don't get to grease palms and put their thumb on the scales for these fights anymore. Sure, Turki wanted fury to win, but if he made that happen regardless of how the fight went he would have failed in his actual job, which is to make Riyadh look like a place you're going to get fair judges, fair treatment, and solid paycheck whenever you fight there. Any shady money these promotions could supply is the equivalent of spare change you find in your couch to Turki, he can't be bought because no boxing promoters have enough to buy him. I don't deny this is a PR thing for the Saudis, but having a reputation for fair dealing in boxing makes them depressingly unique among countries known for hosting boxing events.
I think there’s some conflict behind the scenes in Saudi…Warren is fuming about the judges and the scorecard and now Fury has been caught on camera saying “You can’t get nothing in these countries” which sounds innocent but is disrespectful to the host Saudi Arabia….I think there’s trouble in paradise and hopefully now we will see the back of Fury and Warrens dominance on these Saudi cards….bring on some of Topranks HW stable.
I think Turki knew exactly what he was doing when he said what he did in support of Fury but not too sure why.I also think he genuinely loves boxing and the fact that he is a very Rick man means that for him it's not about money it's about passion for the fight game which makes a huge difference.
Since Turki's 4th Judge gave it to Usyk, Turki is NOW moving on from Fury and realizes that MOST of boxing along with Most Fans realize that Usyk won fair and square and HE DID not like the backlash from the public he was receiving for his BIAS towards Fury. Slick IS he NOT. SLICK and Slippery.
@remonimodexd7116 Oh No, I am under flowing the situation. Monopolies on Sports are BAD BAD BAD. As The Turki has already displayed, favouratism towards certain certain boxers, and LOOK at this Spiteful reaction to Canelo Not wishing to play ball. When someone HOLDS all the powers ONE is not longer FREE. That goes for boxers also
@letitiamcculley9311 I agree about monopolies being dangerous and his thoughts about canelo were bad look. But he clearly didn't in this specific case hate usyk at all. He actually thought uysk would win but wanted tyson to for a trilogy
I thought the whole public opinion of 'oh this is definitely rigged'was way overblown. Seems the excellent turkey just seems a bit open with his views lol (and fair) Not necessarily a bad thing i must add
Nice one Joe... I'm a HUGE fan of Usyk, have been for years ... I'm also a HUGE fan of Naoya Inoue - i had think hard about your statement 'done more in 23 fights' but yes you're correct... however , as much as i respect Usyks incredible recordi still have Inoue as slightly ahead if Usyk in the Pound for Pound rankings , just due to his slightly more incredible achievments / accolades .. so similar tho - both 2 x undisputed , borh Super Series winners etc... I know its a hard call butfor #1 PforP whats your decision? Usyk or Inoue? +One word answer will do - i respect either answer no complaints fair play - plus you're a busy lad & short of time these days what with all the jumping jacks you gotta be doing to stay warm in ya war against those thieving electricity $coundrel$!.. 🥶🤣 (I'm assuming you aggree they both pip Crawford for PforP)
Hi Joe, enjoy the seasonal break I see things a little different in regards to turki....he's gone out of his way to please fury and his entourage so they dont pull out of the event as he has alot of pressure to deliver in promoting saudi to the wider world... He would have taken offense to the language and antics of the fury clan (John Fury) in particular who was not in attendance to possibly his sons biggest contest of his career... All the rabbit talk and freak dialogue via the video call was to give tyson a sense of false security that he would get the decision if it went to points and his tactics were to fiddle his way through the 12 rounds without being overly aggressive and trying to win the fight outright. The raising of the arm, confidence whilst the cards were being read out and then they look of disgust followed by the exit through the ring without a word. Turki was playing chess not checkers.
Lomachenko won world titles in 3 weight classes within 13 fights after winning his first at featherweight in his 3rd fight ….i think and defended his titles against real contenders unlike Fury and Wilder who both absolutely took this piss
I believed it was going to be fixed for fury to win. I'm not to proud to admit I was wrong and I'm glad I was but dave allen definitely got robbed in no way can anyone justify fisher winning.
Joe, what’s the score with the “not turning the heat on…???” Are you serious…??? Agree with you about the Johnny Fisher fight and Fury but, this no heating business is not a good look…!
I agree with you and admire your resolve throughout this buildup. I don’t jump to conspiracy but unfortunately my personal makeup/mindset tends to be cynical especially when it comes to power. I was proven wrong and it feels really good. Roll on 2025.
For all Turki's bias or lack of 'objectivity', it would seem that he wants clean judging and no controversy; in the biggest fights anyway. As for Fisher Allen that was definitely a case of quiet words, back strokes and a secure job discussed over dinners and drinks (brown envelopes are for movies): Fisher's the current poster boy; it would've been better if he'd lost and then come back in a rematch to show his mettle. Lets hope it happens anyway; if Fisher is serious he needs to test himself and improve re: Fabio Wardley for example.
Dear fans of Boxing and beautiful sports! Remember how Fury after the judges' decision, after he passed a positive doping test, after the swindler allegedly won against Vladimir Klitschko and ran away from Vladimir for a whole year and then lost all his belts! So let Fury not bark!!! And most importantly, after the rematch against Usyk, let him remember that in the first fight the referee saved him from a knockout in the 9th round, and there should not have been a rematch because Fury's promoter decided to just make money and he doesn't care about Fury! And the president of Ukraine in a personal conversation with Usyk said that there is no need to destroy him, he has children!! And Usyk said that sport is only sport!!
i think perhaps there's a chance that turkey was deliberately openly pro-fury in prior to the fight because.... there's always a chance of a fury pullout so he was there to reassure fury that he has turkey's full support. btw, joe your headwear is the exact same as my local fortune teller auntie just around the corner. lol!
Sm1 tweet Turki's comments to simon jordan pls..he said Turki thought Flabs won..n also tweet oscars final comment to frank..these guys are gaslighters..im not on any social media or i would have.cheers.
I think everyone saying they expected a robbery I mean everyone except the most ardent fury fans affected the outcome of the main event. Forced them to score it right. I don’t trust these Saudi dudes for a second lol.
I think Naoya Inoue did more (by a matter of months only) than Usyk in the TIME it took for Usyk to have 23 fights but hey, thats not what you said was it so yes ya defo correct
He might have done more on paper but I think the names he has fought don’t really compare to the names usyk has fought. And inoue has fought in Japan a lot, usyk is the ultimate road warrior. Both great but for me id now have usyk 1 inoue 2 Crawford 3. But its close as all 3 are unbelievable
I wanted Futy to win..But all these b--l ends , ssying ot was fixed for Usysk 😂 Wtf would they fix it for Usysk for...😂 When thr establishment love Fury and would want a lucrative trilogy...
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@@joestunnerboxing You're very welcome. Hopefully i will be discharged tomorrow so I should be able to enjoy Xmas.
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I’ve got a feeling turkis’ enthusiasm towards fury was a manipulation tactic to guarantee fury was actually going to turn up to the fight.
Fury was probably aware that the fight was going to go the distance - if he thought turki was leaning towards him, he might get the rub of the green on the decision, hence less chance of going awol.
Good theory.
Usyk deserves all the praise he’s been an absolute blessing to watch. We are witnessing a genuinely legendary fighter. Fury deserves credit too! He’s also been such an impressive heavyweight being able to implement that style for such a big man is kind of unique in the heavyweight division. Fury goes down in history too, probably as a wasted talent to a degree but also as a precocious special talent.
I agree with your opinions on both men here. Usyk has literally become a legend in his own lifetime. And to see Fury, all 6' 8" of him, come so close to matching Usyk for skill, speed, technique and stamina, while carrying 20lbs of blubber round his waist and years of bad living on his shoulders, was amazing. Personally, I think they both deserve recognition as ATG heavyweights.
Turki proved me wrong. I was absolutely convinced the fix was in on the scorecards
Same, I am actually wondering now did he say all that to make people think he was Tyson's boyfriend and was gonna bend over backwards to make sure he won on the night. Which puzzles me as I thought Turki might like a HW champ more in an Usyk mould what with how decent and respectful he is rather than classless Fury. May Turki was playing everyone and actually likes Usyk more 😂 not. Right man won the fight.
@@RabidGerry He likes Fury, but Fury is unpredictable. He has to use their affinity for each other do get him to accept these fights. It's like when he said whoeve pulled out of the last fightwould be fined 10 000; that was for Fury. He knew Usyk wouldn't pull out.
Same here. Thing is though, only the few rounds Fury won were close - there was a case inbeach for Usyk. It was not even a close fight. Usyk won clearly. To give it to Fury would have been really hard
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Fair play for coming back to this Joe. Yes hands up, I was one of those pre fight sceptics and I’m very happy to be proven wrong and very happy for Usyk. Once again sadly fury showed little humility and lot’s of bitterness after the fight. I can’t name a fighter who has achieved more in such a short time to answer your question, the big bully got more than he bargained for once again and how he must regret his actions and words now. The size difference between the two is huge and for Usyk to twice not only beat the biggest heavyweight fighter around shows how good he really is.
I must admit, the way the judges scored the first Usyk vs Fury fight, then Turki openly saying he wanted Fury to win the rematch, didn't exactly fill me with confidence that it was going to be scored fairly!
Turki is funny Dude. Fisheyes meltdown was gold. He felt betrayal.
I was very concerned after the Fisher v Allen scoring but I'm pleased and relieved to see the result in the main event. Cheers
Turki regained my respect. I think he does care for the Riad Season's good reputation in the boxing world. I think he also must have reflected on the backlash of that rabbit cooking video which was not taken positively at all by most of the boxing audience. Uncle Frankie must be crying bitter tears now and poor Fury be double brokenhearted if they though Turki's going to play along with them just because he likes their jokes. Which makes me double happy.
I think the Saudi dynamic is enormously different to anything we've ever seen.
Traditionally, the boxing industry would cook the books for money. The difference here is that the Saudis aren't in any way reliant on boxing to make money. They're putting on these events for PR, and the money it costs them to do it, while astronomical in the eyes of everyone else involved, is completely trivial in comparison to the constant flow of billions of dollars coming in from their oil reserves. I'm increasingly convinced that the Excellent Turki is a real boxing fan: he's primarily interested in seeing fantasy matchups and wants them to play out fairly. While Warren, Arum and Hearn would happily bung a manilla envelope to whoever they need to to get the result they want for maximum profit, the amount, in fiscal terms, that they'd stand to make from fixing these fights is no incentive whatsoever for the Saudis. They make more in interest on the money they've already got than they would from a trilogy fight between Usyk and Fury, so why ruin the spectacle with corrupt judging?
I believe putting the AI judge in place alongside the official judges was a good move: no human judge wants their professional competence called into question by a computer.
I think i agree with everything you said, especially about reputation and integrity in these events. Hearn, Warren and Arum are going to have to accept the fact that if they work with Turki, they don't get to grease palms and put their thumb on the scales for these fights anymore. Sure, Turki wanted fury to win, but if he made that happen regardless of how the fight went he would have failed in his actual job, which is to make Riyadh look like a place you're going to get fair judges, fair treatment, and solid paycheck whenever you fight there. Any shady money these promotions could supply is the equivalent of spare change you find in your couch to Turki, he can't be bought because no boxing promoters have enough to buy him. I don't deny this is a PR thing for the Saudis, but having a reputation for fair dealing in boxing makes them depressingly unique among countries known for hosting boxing events.
Wishing you a very happy christmas joe! thanks for all the videos and great content. stay warm!
Merry Christmas Joe. Always love your content matey. Thanks for the work you put in to keep us informed/ entertained. 👍
Lovely stuff mate thanks... B 🙏
I think there’s some conflict behind the scenes in Saudi…Warren is fuming about the judges and the scorecard and now Fury has been caught on camera saying “You can’t get nothing in these countries” which sounds innocent but is disrespectful to the host Saudi Arabia….I think there’s trouble in paradise and hopefully now we will see the back of Fury and Warrens dominance on these Saudi cards….bring on some of Topranks HW stable.
The organizers have proven that they are not going to risk their reputation RESPECT -TurKi ...fair judging -Respect...
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In terms of who else has done as much, inoue's also 2 weight undisputed and a 4 weight world champ in 28 fights. with an 89% k.o. ratio.
I think Turki knew exactly what he was doing when he said what he did in support of Fury but not too sure why.I also think he genuinely loves boxing and the fact that he is a very Rick man means that for him it's not about money it's about passion for the fight game which makes a huge difference.
Since Turki's 4th Judge gave it to Usyk, Turki is NOW moving on from Fury and realizes that MOST of boxing along with Most Fans realize that Usyk won fair and square and HE DID not like the backlash from the public he was receiving for his BIAS towards Fury. Slick IS he NOT. SLICK and Slippery.
Seems like you are overblowing the situation because you have something against the guy lol
@remonimodexd7116 Oh No, I am under flowing the situation. Monopolies on Sports are BAD BAD BAD. As The Turki has already displayed, favouratism towards certain certain boxers, and LOOK at this Spiteful reaction to Canelo Not wishing to play ball.
When someone HOLDS all the powers ONE is not longer FREE. That goes for boxers also
@letitiamcculley9311 I agree about monopolies being dangerous and his thoughts about canelo were bad look. But he clearly didn't in this specific case hate usyk at all. He actually thought uysk would win but wanted tyson to for a trilogy
@remonimodexd7116 I get your point, but once again we are back to what ONE MAN wants, not good, not good for boxing
I thought the whole public opinion of 'oh this is definitely rigged'was way overblown. Seems the excellent turkey just seems a bit open with his views lol (and fair) Not necessarily a bad thing i must add
Nice one Joe... I'm a HUGE fan of Usyk, have been for years ... I'm also a HUGE fan of Naoya Inoue - i had think hard about your statement 'done more in 23 fights' but yes you're correct... however , as much as i respect Usyks incredible recordi still have Inoue as slightly ahead if Usyk in the Pound for Pound rankings , just due to his slightly more incredible achievments / accolades .. so similar tho - both 2 x undisputed , borh Super Series winners etc...
I know its a hard call butfor #1 PforP whats your decision?
Usyk or Inoue?
+One word answer will do - i respect either answer no complaints fair play - plus you're a busy lad & short of time these days what with all the jumping jacks you gotta be doing to stay warm in ya war against those thieving electricity $coundrel$!.. 🥶🤣
(I'm assuming you aggree they both pip Crawford for PforP)
I put Usyk first and Naoya second, though I absolutely LOVE both of them.
Alan was holding back punches worse than Tyson was doing in the Paul fight !
To be fair he looked absolutely drained after round 5. Had barely anything left in the tank, was running on fumes
Too much £ invested in Fisher Allen was never getting points decision.
i agree, even when eddie said the best it was for johnny was a draw , says it all he thinks he lost
Hi Joe, enjoy the seasonal break
I see things a little different in regards to turki....he's gone out of his way to please fury and his entourage so they dont pull out of the event as he has alot of pressure to deliver in promoting saudi to the wider world...
He would have taken offense to the language and antics of the fury clan (John Fury) in particular who was not in attendance to possibly his sons biggest contest of his career...
All the rabbit talk and freak dialogue via the video call was to give tyson a sense of false security that he would get the decision if it went to points and his tactics were to fiddle his way through the 12 rounds without being overly aggressive and trying to win the fight outright.
The raising of the arm, confidence whilst the cards were being read out and then they look of disgust followed by the exit through the ring without a word.
Turki was playing chess not checkers.
Turki made it appear that a fix was in the making because he wanted fury to turn up,
Lomachenko won world titles in 3 weight classes within 13 fights after winning his first at featherweight in his 3rd fight ….i think and defended his titles against real contenders unlike Fury and Wilder who both absolutely took this piss
I believed it was going to be fixed for fury to win. I'm not to proud to admit I was wrong and I'm glad I was but dave allen definitely got robbed in no way can anyone justify fisher winning.
Joe, what’s the score with the “not turning the heat on…???” Are you serious…??? Agree with you about the Johnny Fisher fight and Fury but, this no heating business is not a good look…!
Au contrare, Jez! You have to practice what you preach. NO SURRENDER TO THE ENERGY THIEVING BASTARDS!
@ Ok, good luck to ya…! 😂
I agree with you and admire your resolve throughout this buildup. I don’t jump to conspiracy but unfortunately my personal makeup/mindset tends to be cynical especially when it comes to power. I was proven wrong and it feels really good. Roll on 2025.
Turki the trojan horse in Flabs' camp😂.
Money has a weird way of changing things, the excellent knows how boxing has always worked. Let’s see the long haul.
For all Turki's bias or lack of 'objectivity', it would seem that he wants clean judging and no controversy; in the biggest fights anyway. As for Fisher Allen that was definitely a case of quiet words, back strokes and a secure job discussed over dinners and drinks (brown envelopes are for movies): Fisher's the current poster boy; it would've been better if he'd lost and then come back in a rematch to show his mettle. Lets hope it happens anyway; if Fisher is serious he needs to test himself and improve re: Fabio Wardley for example.
Dear fans of Boxing and beautiful sports! Remember how Fury after the judges' decision, after he passed a positive doping test, after the swindler allegedly won against Vladimir Klitschko and ran away from Vladimir for a whole year and then lost all his belts! So let Fury not bark!!! And most importantly, after the rematch against Usyk, let him remember that in the first fight the referee saved him from a knockout in the 9th round, and there should not have been a rematch because Fury's promoter decided to just make money and he doesn't care about Fury! And the president of Ukraine in a personal conversation with Usyk said that there is no need to destroy him, he has children!! And Usyk said that sport is only sport!!
i think perhaps there's a chance that turkey was deliberately openly pro-fury in prior to the fight because....
there's always a chance of a fury pullout so he was there to reassure fury that he has turkey's full support.
btw, joe your headwear is the exact same as my local fortune teller auntie just around the corner. lol!
Sm1 tweet Turki's comments to simon jordan pls..he said Turki thought Flabs won..n also tweet oscars final comment to frank..these guys are gaslighters..im not on any social media or i would have.cheers.
I think everyone saying they expected a robbery I mean everyone except the most ardent fury fans affected the outcome of the main event. Forced them to score it right. I don’t trust these Saudi dudes for a second lol.
I think Naoya Inoue did more (by a matter of months only) than Usyk in the TIME it took for Usyk to have 23 fights but hey, thats not what you said was it so yes ya defo correct
He might have done more on paper but I think the names he has fought don’t really compare to the names usyk has fought. And inoue has fought in Japan a lot, usyk is the ultimate road warrior. Both great but for me id now have usyk 1 inoue 2 Crawford 3. But its close as all 3 are unbelievable
@@NZambergris the level of competition doesn't even add up in my opinion.
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I wanted Futy to win..But all these b--l ends , ssying ot was fixed for Usysk 😂 Wtf would they fix it for Usysk for...😂 When thr establishment love Fury and would want a lucrative trilogy...
Fair play to Turkey Milkshake, hopefully this will shut Warren et al up.