Let's be honest. The 125-220 grain load range in the .30-06 has a lot of boutique rounds in it. You have a real, useful range of 150, 165, and 180 grain loads for deer and elk. The .270 deer loads are 130, 140, and 150 grain. Honestly, the .270 doesn't NEED anything other than a 130 grain bullet.
any thing other than the 130 especially with new bullet designs, all copper, partitions, bonded, etc....so who has hunted grizzly bear with the 270 except Jack O'Conner ? Or does ?
I've reloaded both the 130gr. and 150gr. Speer "Grand Slam".... Both do the job out to 200 yards. Beyond that, the 130gr trajectory wins out. Since I hunt mostly open range in eastern Colorado and Wyoming, the 130gr. remains my choice.
I have plans for a Swedish moose hunt in the not tooooooo far future that involves my Steyr Mannlicher Schoenauer in .270. I have a 160 partition loaded to near SAAMI max that should do just fine. I really like loading for the 270 Win as you can either load rifle pressures of ~56k or you can ramp it up to near magnum pressures of 64k PSI. I do want to try the newish Nosler Accubond Long Rande 150 grain and see what my rifle thinks of it. Sometimes, the 130 isn't quite enough.
Post from Australia, both cartridges very popular here, 30/06 has the advantage on Sambar deer(300-500kg), brumbie(wild horse) and buffalo(800kg). I have used 270W on donkey, brumbie, dingo, goat, fox, all ways amazed the hitting power and penetration on the 270W 130grn with Cor Lokt & Win PP. In summary 30/06 for bigger game, 270W slightly flatter trajectory for long shots. Both cartridges excellent on pigs, could be too much, a lot of pigs are shot in Australia with 223, 243, 308, 30/30, 44mag, 357mag.
I gotta go with the 270. Flatter shooting, less recoil, more than enough energy for anything from Texas whitetail to northern mule deer, AT REASONABLE DISTANCES.
I have both, my 270 and I inherited my fathers 30.06. I like them both, just depends where you are hunting. I live in northern Wisconsin and the 06 is much better here because of distance is less and much more stuff to shoot thru. I have hunted In Montana and shot several Elk with my .270 at long distance. They are both great calibers.
I would have liked to see the results of a 150 grain bullet in each of these cartridges. Both for trajectory and performance in the gel. Maybe at some later date?
For 40 years I've said something I heard a man much older than me say and I feel compelled to repeat it - Every American hunter should own a 30-06, even if you hunt with it very little. I have one getting a new barrel right now. I am very fond of all of my 270s
My first rifle was an 06 but now I have the 270 and I love it. I have many rifles now and honestly the 270 can do a lot. I think the 30-06 is fantastic, but I just don't see a need for one in my safe. I have plenty of other stuff but not that, but I do have a 270.
I own 25-06 / 270 and the 30-06. The 25-06 and 270 get used the 30-06 is a safe queen. But so are my two 338 win mags and my 300 Rum. But when I was hunting Elk all the time I loaded that Rum like what Ryan was saying I’d load it with a 165 grain Barnes X at 3450fps and it was devastating on Elk out to 500 yards. I never wanted to shoot farther than that. But a 270 wins the usefulness category in my opinion over the 30-06. Not that it’s more lethal but that it goes out hunting while my 06s sit at home in the safe. Deer hunting up to Elk my 25-06 is close to perfect!
Man I love these podcasts. Used to shoot 30.06 but bought a new LH bolt and could only find a .270. Was soooo disappointed “at the time”! Fast forward 20 years, the Browning Stainless Stalker (with BOSS) has been cut down and recrowned, stainless was blackened by an aerospace company, new trigger springs. After three moose, countless whitetails, black bear and yotes, it’s my favorite rifle and I have a few. 130 or 140 grain TSX or TTSX and the beast is unstoppable. Thanks for a great podcast
Since the podcast was titled the best DEER cartridge, I think the .270 Win for the win. If they said the best overall or best large game cartridge, it’s the 30-06 all day long. Both are great, but overall the 30-06 is more versatile.
Except, In the other podcast recently, the team seemed to do the same thing with favoritism for 30-06, or .308... For heavy duty options, But for deer, the 65 creed kept being mentioned instead.
I do have both the 30-06 and a .270. Both are Tikka T3x rifles and both are tack drivers. I have used the 30-06 for deer hunting but now use it predominantly for long range target shooting, primarily because I can get match bullets for it. It especially likes the Nosler 168 gr Match but also shoots the 165 gr partition without any change of zero using my hand loaded ammunition. I hunted deer with a 308 until a few years ago. I used the same Nosler match/partition hand loads with the same exact zero at 100 yards, no scope changes required. I have always wanted to try a .270 so ended up buying another Tikka, this time in 270. To be honest I think it's a bit more accurate with 140 gr ammo than the 30-06. I have used it deer hunting for the past few years and with 130 gr Nosler Partitions its one shot and one deer dropped in place not to move again. This can also be done with the 308 or 30-06 but it seems the 270 does it better. My longest shot has been 220 yards and it is lights out for the deer. I like them all, but think that the 270 is becoming my favorite. Thinking about playing with a 6.8 Western, but that is in the future. 🥰
Jazzed, Rascal, Critter, Buck Rogers,…just a few of the words I’ve heard come out of Ryan’s mouth In this podcast! Good gravy, what an old soul. If I was just listening, I would swear he’s 75 years old!
For Deer I would rather have a .270 Win. I hunted with one for several years and it performed perfect on Deer & Antelope for Me. But it’s also the only rifle I have sold as my bolt action jammed and I lost confidence in the rifle but not the cartridge. Being in my 20’s and with Magnum Fever I had to have a .264 Win Mag because Winchester promoted it as the Ultimate Western Deer and Antelope cartridge.
If you are going with copper mono bullets then the rifles have to have the right set up for longer bullets. With “standard” rifles and bullets 270 - 130 to 145 gr. 30:06 - 165 to 180 gr.
I have both and love both. The 270win was my only deer rifle for years and was my go to even after more arrived. I want to use and promote the 30-06 more, but I use the 25-06, 7mm-08 and 308 more.
I have many gulf clubs in the gun safe. Depending on where I’m going, how I’m hunting, and the expected shot distance will determine what I bring. I have both a 270 Win and a 30-06 SPRG. Both work amazingly well. All of my shots have been inside of 400 yards, 70% of them actually inside of 50 yards. So, I’m not sure my experience is overly helpful. Virtually anything at 50 yards will take down a deer cleanly. The 270 is less abusive, the 30-06 was purchased for a secondary rifle for an Africa trip. Both rifles are Weatherby Mark V, both topped with Steiner T5Xi scopes. Very apples to apples. For deer…inside of 400, because of recoil alone, I choose the 270 Win every time. However… I usually hunt with a 243 or 7mm-08… the few times I have taken longer shots, staying in the scope was a blessing.
Love them both, shoot them both. This is becoming my favorite series next to spaghetti shootout! Hopefully y'all bring back the "lead balloon" series and cover the 338 Federal 😉.
So I've been seeing a few tests with the ol 270 shooting 165gr ABLR out of a 1-10 twist and it stabilizing it very well. Barnes makes the 155gr LRX in .277 caliber 🤔
My 270 pushes 145gr eldx bullets at just under 3000 (I think 2985 if memory serves) with a full case of RL19 into about 0.8 MOA or so which is plenty for hunting. My 30-06 seems to like the speer 150gr hot cor at 3000 even with IMR 4064, just over 1 MOA. The whitetail don't seem to care which one they get hit with. If I have a good shooting position/rest and the deer is within 400 yards, it's going down. Then again, I have just as much fun sitting in the thick brush with my pre 64 model 94 and 170gr interlocks at a measly 2250 fps. Deer don't like that one either.
270 is just like ford vs chevy, democrat vs republican, glock vs non glock. people either like it or dont bc name a million things. bc daddy shot 3006 so i do. daddy liked glock so i do. and so on 270 out performs 06 in a majority of ways and 06 beats 270 in not as many things. why do people like the 6.5 creedmore... flatter shooting less recoil... well guess what 270 is flatter w less recoil speed and energy if you sit back and look at it from the mile high perspective, 270 wins that too oh you need 06 for bigger game... people shoot elk and even moose with 243 so you dont NEED an 06 for bigger game its all a matter of why people like it and dont like it EVEN tho 270 out performs 06 in so many more ways than 06 over the 270. FACTS and STATS MATTER
You should have compared the 30-06 , 270, and the 280 Remington Keep in mind that the 280's shoulder is pushed forward , kind of like the 300 win mag compared to the 338 win mag. The 280 is really underestimated. Now I admit I am partial to the 280 Remington having one in a Rebarreled 98K Mauser. My brother has a 270, and my 280 has more game taken, and my brother would get really upset. And he is a good shot and hard hunting walking fool.
When I grew up I'd never even heard of a 30-06 or .270. My dad had a Sako L579 Forrester in .243, a Model 70 Westerner .264 Win Mag, a Model 70 in .300 Win Mag and a Model 70 Alaskan .338 Win Mag. When my dad bought me my first rifle it was a Savage 110 in 7mm Rem Mag. The only time that I ever shot a 30-06 was when I borrowed a Remington 742 from my brother in-law.
Well, Mark, Jim, Ryan, I guess it's time to make a video about "The Rifle Man's Rifle" (winchester model 70) Mostly, I am interested in: model 70 extreme weather ss Come on, guess, I have been asking this forever! And yes, Ryan, please compare it to our favorite tikka t3x stainless Thanks Gregory from Alberta
Good stuff. Maybe you guys could talk about these guys who are loading 165 ABLR's in there 1:10 twist .270 wins and getting great accuracy at around 2750 fps...
🕵️♂️ At a Muzzle Velocity of 2,800 ft/s, it will maintain 2,000 ft/s and produce more than 1,500 ft lbs of Energy at the Elevations I Hunt Elk (9,000+ ft) Out to Over 1/2 Mile! Who Needs Anything More? 😜
Next Comparison!!! 6.5PRC vs 270win. Choose these bullets for the testing.... 6.5PRC ,143gr ELD-X vs 270win. 145gr. ELD-X 6.5PRC , 130gr CX vs 270win. 130gr. CX The numbers are nearly identical. Velocity and energy. And weight is spot on the same.
I truly do think that the 6.5 prc is the best "deer" cartridge devised when all deer hunting in North America is taken into consideration. Everything from mulies in Wyoming, to Coues in Arizona, to Whitetails In Maine and Saskatchewan. A 130 or 140gr at or a bit over 3000fps is a great balance for deer hunting. The 270 did and does this well, but the higher average bc and sd of the 6.5 projectiles, being driven to the same speed, gives it the slight edge to me.
Wish we could have seen the .270 from the top POV like they talked about. Why not rotate it for the crowd? Maybe stand in front of the wall when pointing and talking about them next time too. Love these vids. Watching/listening to too many of them. Helped me buy my 30-06 Tikka with a vortex scope
Started with the 30-06 still use it. Owned a 270 win. I am not sure if it’s wrong or not but I always worried that the 270 didn’t perform same or better as the 30-06 in the maine woods. I’m more comfortable shooting in less favorable conditions with the 30-06
The 6.5 prc outperformed the 270 with the 130grain at all ranges . Get the prc if your buying a new rifle. The prc family is definitely the future. Those will dominate the scene eventually because there just better in every way at every range
Ehhh, you lose magazine capacity and have a bit more recoil. I don’t think it will catch on as much as you might think. Plus go to hardware stores, gas stations, Walmarts, etc. and try to find 6.5 PRC ammo. You won’t find it. Barrel life is also rough for the 6.5 PRC.
270 Win vs. 6.5 Creedmoor is a more fair comparison. 6.5 PRC is more like a magnum cartridge so compare it to 270 WSM. Of the PRC cartridges, I believe that the 7mm PRC is Goldilocks - not too big, not too small… just right!
@@chipsterb4946 I'd have to agree with your comments. That 7prc is just hitting well above the rest. From point blank. all the way out past 1000. Goldilocks cartridge is a pretty good sum up .
@@chipsterb4946Not exactly. The 270 win and the 6.5 prc are very close ballisticaly to each other out to around 500 yards. The creedmoor doesn't have no where near the performance of the 270 Win. And the 6.5 prc is not on the same level as the 270 wsm. The Wsm flat out stomps the prc.
I gotta say.. I recently bought a " dream rifle" tikka t3x hunter stainless fluted. For me it was affordable accurate and lightweight. Did some research and got a little caught up. Went 6.5 creedmoor. I hunt blacktail in western washington. Wish I went 270. I did end up getting a nice 2 point at 300 so I'm not totally bummed.
30-06 with 15 grain Nosler partition pushed by a healthy done of superformance powder and I have never been able to teach a deer any new tricks after having shot it with that combination in conjunction with a FN98 Mauser rifle in a wood stock. It does not get more old school than that if smokeless powder is the stuff that does the working part.
So much has to be said for the shootability of the .270 W. A rifle that is comfortable to shoot is just plain more accurate. Granted, you don't have as much impact energy but you are impacting at your point of aim more often. However, your shot must be sure. With the .30-06 and bigger pill weights and more frontal area, it could be more forgiving. So, if your rifle that day was 1 MOA, no problem, you have a large enough bullet mushrooming and doing the work that your target animal will expire and you can and will harvest it. And yeah, it served well in wartime. So, pick the one you can shoot and go with that. And yeah, you can choose a .30-06 in a comfortable loading that will do the job.
The only 270 rifle I have is my grandfather's Remington 7600 pump action and I have never shot it. I have my 30-06 Remington 7600 that my Dad got for me when I was 16 years old. I am now 55 years old. I'm gonna send mine off to Hillbilly gunsmithing to be re-worked and a new barrel put on it after this next deer season.
I have hunted with both interchangeably for the last 36 years both have accounted for many deer. my biggest buck yet was with a 12ga foster slug 😁 just put it in the bread basket and you won't go wrong and most of all enjoy the hunt...
❤ them both, I would say the greatest factor. Is whether you live east of mississippi or west of the mississippi. Us easterners tend to like the 3/06. Where westerners tend to favor the 270 a little bit better., Or more whatever vinecular you prefer.
🕵️♂️ Use the 270 Winchester shooting the 130 grain Horneday CX copper bullet - with Horneday's Superformance Ammunition and pushing it out at 3,200 ft/s - and that entire block will be penetrated! 😜
Let's be honest, if you had told them that the top gel block was the .30-06 then their opinions would have been that the .30-06 was just a little better. I'm a .30-06 guy, and I attribute that to my childhood. Yet looking at the ballistics of the Hornady .270 ELD-X, I have to admit that is flatter shooting and for less recoil.
Really enjoyed the video and Podcast. In my opinion you are debating which one of your sons do you like more, the one that is the star quarterback or the one that is the star pitcher. Now based on what I heard for the two of you, you really want to sing the praises of the 270(and you should) but due to your earlier days you just can't bring yourself around to give the 270 the full respect it deserves.
Put the 130 gr. ttsx 30 06 and it spanks the 270 moving at 3300 fps. with more frontal area. Then go to 165 gr. bullets and bigger you can't even get in that game .270 is a specialized deer or sheep cartridge at best. Sorry to burst your buble.. To better the 06 you have to neck up 338 cal. or 358cal.
@@wadeparker6091"use this one specialized cartridge and it's way better!!!" Is essentially your argument. You're reaching so hard. 270 will take an elk or moose all day.
Lol man, you’re something else. Face the facts, the .270 is just the better cartridge. Shoots flatter (by far the most important as shot placement means more than anything else) Lighter recoil Better wind deflection Higher speeds for expansion The only things it loses out on is frontal diameter and muzzle energy, both of which are less important than what’s listed above.
Does any other caliber use the 270 bullets? The 280s are used by dozens of 7mm cartridges as does the 30s. If going sub 30 caliber why not use a common size?
RL26 and modern bullets make the 270 into a monster. I pushed a 150ALR at 3150 with a 24" barrel. I got pressure signs at 3200 and accuracy fell apart. What more would one want?
10 channels? We had no tv in our household as a kid. My maternal grandmother had two. There were about 6 channels in the 70’s & 80’s. ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, 2 UHF channels that eventually became FOX and WB.
I killed a maine moose in 03’ with a 270. I don’t recall but it was either a 150 gr. Rem core lokt, or Winchester super x. Shot it at 150 yards and it didn’t even flinch. Required 3 shots. Bullet went through both lungs. Contrast, my dad shot one with 180 gr .308 in 07’. 100 yard shot… hit it a little forward in the shoulder. Knocked moose over upon impact… he got up and took off. Let it sit over night. Next morning we tracked that thing 2 miles through the deep woods in maine and lost the blood trail. Just goes to show that placement is key. Either one will do the job… it’s just preference.
Both are great cartridges.... now if ya really wanna stir up the fan boys. 270 Win beats 6.5 Creedmore and why own a 308 Win. when it will always be the 30-06 lite
270 Win fast twist is going to be the new 6.5 Creedmore. This will be the biggest resurgence of an old classic ever, albeit way overdue. It checks all the boxes, and there is no risk getting into a new rifle chambered in 270 Win because the cartridge is well established with 90gr to 150 gr boolits everywhere already.
My whole family has shot .270. Pa has a Browning BAR, dad had a Abolt-ll stainless, uncle had a abolt-ll stalker, and I have a abolt-ll. All these rifles are .270win. 140sst at roughly 3000
If you load a 130 gr. bullet in 30 06 it spanks the 270 at about 3300 ft. Per. Bigger frontal area. The 270 is limited in bullet weight it is a good deer round but in bigger game the 30 06 has every add. God podcast keep them coming much fun. Great job guys.
It’s just to bad they don’t make ammo for the 338/06 because it’s a fantastic round! I reload and have a truck load of 30-06’s from the last 60+ years of hunting collecting and reloading them
@@edwardabrams4972 All it takes is a 338 ought 6 die to turn all that brass from a 30 ought 6 into the 338. That's what I do can't afford the loaded round from the factory
Try running the numbers on the 270 and 30-06 both loaded with the 130 grain and you might be surprised what cartridge has the flattest trajectory. So that takes some of the flat shooting advantage away from the 270. I have both and taken game with both. The 30-06 has worked best for me. If you’re not reloading that changes the landscape a little. You can always neck down the 30-06 and turn it into a 270 or shorten the case and make a 308 to help recoil sensitive shooters like women and children 🤣🤣🤣. Sorry I had to throw that in there. 30-06 has put game down faster in my experience obviously they both work well.
@@hunterjohnson5635 idk if it penetrates better with common loadings. I personally had a 130 cup and core bullet out of a 270 stop in a whitetail deer at almost full broadside. I’ve seen me and my large family shoot more deer than I could count with a 150 - 180 grain cup and core bullets with the -06 and I’ve never personally seen a whitetail deer on a broadside or even quartering shot without an exit wound. I’ve been hunting and watching them for about 40 years. It’s literally been tons of whitetail. I’m guessing a 165 in the 06 has a little more energy than the 270 can produce. I haven’t checked the numbers lately. I like and use both. That’s just my experience. Happy hunting.
I'm sorry guys but I wasn't Fair Auto Matic against a bolt action. You should use a bold action against a bold action You won't have the same velocity and pressure
It all depends on the rifle and the bullet. You don't want a 5lb. Tikka chambered in 30-06 but you can reduce recoil by dropping grains. People need to be realistic as to their hunting distance.
You don't need a million choices you just need something that works really well... 270 win and 130 gr bullet... there really isn't much of a need for something else... but just in case there is, when you need to go heavy, there are 150s... its just as versatile but in a different more simplified way...
Both are ok and about as economical as it can get. I have both 270win and 30-06 as well as 25-06. I never use the 25-06 because now theres 277cal bullets available in bullets down in the very light range to 150gr and heavier. At least for me the 270win has nudged out my 25-06 as it does everything ut does and 270win in factory form is far more economical.
The 270 Win will take out the big game animal if you do your job. The 30-06 will do it to with a little more recoil BUT do you feel the difference when you’re amped up and you see that deer drop like a rock? No, you don’t care afterward if you make a good shot so be confident with what you take afield and happy hunting.
I'll put my Sako finnlight in 270 Winchester against any other cartridge Or rifle for that matter... Accurate, fast, powerful, manageable recoil and flat shooting... After hunting over 50 years and having Winchester model 70s, Remington 700s, Mauser 98s in both my Holy Grail is that lightweight Sako finnlight in 270 Winchester....
Hair spiltting in my opinion. Within 250-300 yards any of them (3006, 308,270,7mmRem etc) will drop a big game animal where it stands. But I know first hand the 270 does this no question.
Question is, what’s going to stop a charging grizzly in its tracks sooner, a 45-70 or a .270? To me this is the comparison. The stream lined bullets glide through air but lack the frontal surface area. Whoteewhoo in his anecdotal experience with others found out that 6.5 CM wasn’t putting down as quickly.
The size of the temporary cavity inside the animal has a lot to do with dropping an animal in its tracks. According to Duncan MacPherson, an engineer who studied bullet dynamics and wound trauma, the shock from the sudden opening of a large void inside the animal tends to stun it and prevent it from running briefly. Often the animal bleeds out and dies before regaining mobility. He explained that a large temporary cavity creates a brief "blunt-force-trauma paralysis" similar to hitting someone on the back with a 2x4. How close the shot is to the spine or the bundle of nerves at the solar plexus also plays a big part. Creating a large enough temporary cavity to reliably stun an animal requires a particular combination of velocity and bullet frontal diameter that the 270 obtains much more often than the slower, slightly smaller 6.5 Creedmoor. The 6.5 Creedmoor, especially with relatively heavy bullets, does enough damage to kill the animal, but often isn't traveling fast enough to reliably cause a "Dead Right There" drop. Historical note: One of the reasons that the 270 Win became so famous when introduced in the late 1920's is that it frequently produced "killed like lightening" effect whereas many 30-06 loads of the time did not. Advancements in propellants and bullets has made the 30-06 and other cartridges more likely to achieve DRT results now.
@@jfess1911 the 30-06 during WW2 was downloaded and called m2 ball if I recall. I wonder if hunters then we’re using lessened charges to down their game. Happy to see a resurgence in gods caliber
@@trkjivdlopmd Propellant technology improved steadily after the 1906 introduction of the 30-06.* Things got confusing after WWI. A more powerful. longer-range load, the "M1 Ball" was developed but then abandoned for a number of reasons. The initial M2 Ball load developed in the 1930's had less recoil than the M1, used a lighter bullet (152 vs ~173grain) but was was still about 100fps faster than the original 1906 150gr load. The armor piercing "A.P. M2" 30-06 load used later in WWII was a bit hotter than all the previous loads, though. It launched a ~168gr bullet at about 2775 fps, according to Hatcher's notebook. It was possible to hand-load hotter with the right powder, but I don't know if factory hunting ammo did so. *The 308 (7.62x51) was designed to essentially match the performance of the original 1906, 30-06 load. With modern powders, the 308 has improved beyond that. Then again, the 30-06 has gotten better too!
Let's be honest. The 125-220 grain load range in the .30-06 has a lot of boutique rounds in it. You have a real, useful range of 150, 165, and 180 grain loads for deer and elk. The .270 deer loads are 130, 140, and 150 grain. Honestly, the .270 doesn't NEED anything other than a 130 grain bullet.
any thing other than the 130 especially with new bullet designs, all copper, partitions, bonded, etc....so who has hunted grizzly bear with the 270 except Jack O'Conner ? Or does ?
@@milboltnutI haven’t, but I wouldn’t hesitate to. It’s been my go to for 25 years and that’s unlikely to change in the next 25.
130 grain is the only bullets my model 700 will shoot consistent. I bought it new in 1997 and never looked elsewhere for a hunting rifle.
I've reloaded both the 130gr. and 150gr. Speer "Grand Slam".... Both do the job out to 200 yards. Beyond that, the 130gr trajectory wins out. Since I hunt mostly open range in eastern Colorado and Wyoming, the 130gr. remains my choice.
I have plans for a Swedish moose hunt in the not tooooooo far future that involves my Steyr Mannlicher Schoenauer in .270. I have a 160 partition loaded to near SAAMI max that should do just fine. I really like loading for the 270 Win as you can either load rifle pressures of ~56k or you can ramp it up to near magnum pressures of 64k PSI. I do want to try the newish Nosler Accubond Long Rande 150 grain and see what my rifle thinks of it. Sometimes, the 130 isn't quite enough.
Post from Australia, both cartridges very popular here, 30/06 has the advantage on Sambar deer(300-500kg), brumbie(wild horse) and buffalo(800kg).
I have used 270W on donkey, brumbie, dingo, goat, fox, all ways amazed the hitting power and penetration on the 270W 130grn with Cor Lokt & Win PP.
In summary 30/06 for bigger game, 270W slightly flatter trajectory for long shots. Both cartridges excellent on pigs, could be too much, a lot of pigs
are shot in Australia with 223, 243, 308, 30/30, 44mag, 357mag.
This might be the greatest Australian comment of all time.
I swear… the vortex nation podcast is my favorite channel on TH-cam to watch PERIOD. Your back and forth banter is the best.
I gotta go with the 270. Flatter shooting, less recoil, more than enough energy for anything from Texas whitetail to northern mule deer, AT REASONABLE DISTANCES.
It’s enough for elk at reasonable distances.
What is up?
Keep it simple....own both by several manufacturers....with tons of ammo. Great discussion.
I have both, my 270 and I inherited my fathers 30.06.
I like them both, just depends where you are hunting.
I live in northern Wisconsin and the 06 is much better here because of distance is less and much more stuff to shoot thru.
I have hunted In Montana and shot several Elk with my .270 at long distance.
They are both great calibers.
I would have liked to see the results of a 150 grain bullet in each of these cartridges. Both for trajectory and performance in the gel. Maybe at some later date?
270 would win. Better bc bullet
@@Queensryche230Better, way better SD, too.
For 40 years I've said something I heard a man much older than me say and I feel compelled to repeat it - Every American hunter should own a 30-06, even if you hunt with it very little. I have one getting a new barrel right now. I am very fond of all of my 270s
My 1st long rifle was a .270, American Ruger and it shoots 3/4 MOA at 100 yards. I love it!
My first rifle was an 06 but now I have the 270 and I love it. I have many rifles now and honestly the 270 can do a lot. I think the 30-06 is fantastic, but I just don't see a need for one in my safe. I have plenty of other stuff but not that, but I do have a 270.
I own 25-06 / 270 and the 30-06. The 25-06 and 270 get used the 30-06 is a safe queen. But so are my two 338 win mags and my 300 Rum. But when I was hunting Elk all the time I loaded that Rum like what Ryan was saying I’d load it with a 165 grain Barnes X at 3450fps and it was devastating on Elk out to 500 yards. I never wanted to shoot farther than that. But a 270 wins the usefulness category in my opinion over the 30-06. Not that it’s more lethal but that it goes out hunting while my 06s sit at home in the safe. Deer hunting up to Elk my 25-06 is close to perfect!
Man I love these podcasts. Used to shoot 30.06 but bought a new LH bolt and could only find a .270. Was soooo disappointed “at the time”! Fast forward 20 years, the Browning Stainless Stalker (with BOSS) has been cut down and recrowned, stainless was blackened by an aerospace company, new trigger springs. After three moose, countless whitetails, black bear and yotes, it’s my favorite rifle and I have a few. 130 or 140 grain TSX or TTSX and the beast is unstoppable. Thanks for a great podcast
Since the podcast was titled the best DEER cartridge, I think the .270 Win for the win. If they said the best overall or best large game cartridge, it’s the 30-06 all day long. Both are great, but overall the 30-06 is more versatile.
Except, In the other podcast recently, the team seemed to do the same thing with favoritism for 30-06, or .308... For heavy duty options,
But for deer, the 65 creed kept being mentioned instead.
Browning is actually making a fast twist 270 in the x bolt
I’m just waiting for 1 to hit my local gun store. Burger has load data for the 170gr EOL going over 2800 ft./s.
The best answer to this argument is to own both.
I do have both the 30-06 and a .270. Both are Tikka T3x rifles and both are tack drivers. I have used the 30-06 for deer hunting but now use it predominantly for long range target shooting, primarily because I can get match bullets for it. It especially likes the Nosler 168 gr Match but also shoots the 165 gr partition without any change of zero using my hand loaded ammunition. I hunted deer with a 308 until a few years ago. I used the same Nosler match/partition hand loads with the same exact zero at 100 yards, no scope changes required. I have always wanted to try a .270 so ended up buying another Tikka, this time in 270. To be honest I think it's a bit more accurate with 140 gr ammo than the 30-06. I have used it deer hunting for the past few years and with 130 gr Nosler Partitions its one shot and one deer dropped in place not to move again. This can also be done with the 308 or 30-06 but it seems the 270 does it better. My longest shot has been 220 yards and it is lights out for the deer. I like them all, but think that the 270 is becoming my favorite. Thinking about playing with a 6.8 Western, but that is in the future. 🥰
Maybe a 7mm comparison??? 7mm-08, 280 AI, 7 PRC and Ryan's absolute favorite..... 7 Rem Mag.
Jazzed, Rascal, Critter, Buck Rogers,…just a few of the words I’ve heard come out of Ryan’s mouth In this podcast! Good gravy, what an old soul. If I was just listening, I would swear he’s 75 years old!
For Deer I would rather have a .270 Win. I hunted with one for several years and it performed perfect on Deer & Antelope for Me. But it’s also the only rifle I have sold as my bolt action jammed and I lost confidence in the rifle but not the cartridge. Being in my 20’s and with Magnum Fever I had to have a .264 Win Mag because Winchester promoted it as the Ultimate Western Deer and Antelope cartridge.
If you are going with copper mono bullets then the rifles have to have the right set up for longer bullets. With “standard” rifles and bullets 270 - 130 to 145 gr. 30:06 - 165 to 180 gr.
I have both and love both. The 270win was my only deer rifle for years and was my go to even after more arrived. I want to use and promote the 30-06 more, but I use the 25-06, 7mm-08 and 308 more.
I have owned and love both of them . If I could only have 1 I'd go with the 270. Best rifle I have ever owned .
I have many gulf clubs in the gun safe. Depending on where I’m going, how I’m hunting, and the expected shot distance will determine what I bring. I have both a 270 Win and a 30-06 SPRG. Both work amazingly well. All of my shots have been inside of 400 yards, 70% of them actually inside of 50 yards. So, I’m not sure my experience is overly helpful. Virtually anything at 50 yards will take down a deer cleanly. The 270 is less abusive, the 30-06 was purchased for a secondary rifle for an Africa trip. Both rifles are Weatherby Mark V, both topped with Steiner T5Xi scopes. Very apples to apples. For deer…inside of 400, because of recoil alone, I choose the 270 Win every time. However… I usually hunt with a 243 or 7mm-08… the few times I have taken longer shots, staying in the scope was a blessing.
Love them both, shoot them both.
This is becoming my favorite series next to spaghetti shootout!
Hopefully y'all bring back the "lead balloon" series and cover the 338 Federal 😉.
So I've been seeing a few tests with the ol 270 shooting 165gr ABLR out of a 1-10 twist and it stabilizing it very well. Barnes makes the 155gr LRX in .277 caliber 🤔
Front line Rejects, hopeful ballistics and weatherby reloading are all doing it 😊
My 270 pushes 145gr eldx bullets at just under 3000 (I think 2985 if memory serves) with a full case of RL19 into about 0.8 MOA or so which is plenty for hunting. My 30-06 seems to like the speer 150gr hot cor at 3000 even with IMR 4064, just over 1 MOA. The whitetail don't seem to care which one they get hit with. If I have a good shooting position/rest and the deer is within 400 yards, it's going down. Then again, I have just as much fun sitting in the thick brush with my pre 64 model 94 and 170gr interlocks at a measly 2250 fps. Deer don't like that one either.
270 is just like ford vs chevy, democrat vs republican, glock vs non glock. people either like it or dont bc name a million things. bc daddy shot 3006 so i do. daddy liked glock so i do. and so on
270 out performs 06 in a majority of ways and 06 beats 270 in not as many things.
why do people like the 6.5 creedmore... flatter shooting less recoil... well guess what 270 is flatter w less recoil
speed and energy if you sit back and look at it from the mile high perspective, 270 wins that too
oh you need 06 for bigger game... people shoot elk and even moose with 243 so you dont NEED an 06 for bigger game
its all a matter of why people like it and dont like it EVEN tho 270 out performs 06 in so many more ways than 06 over the 270.
FACTS and STATS MATTER
Yes sir! People are just coping when they say the .30-06 is better than the .270. The .270 is just supreme.
It's .270 for me but only because my father bought me one for deer hunting when I was 13 and I stuck with it.
You should have compared the 30-06 , 270, and the 280 Remington
Keep in mind that the 280's shoulder is pushed forward , kind of like the 300 win mag compared to the 338 win mag. The 280 is really underestimated. Now I admit I am partial to the 280 Remington having one in a Rebarreled 98K Mauser. My brother has a 270, and my 280 has more game taken, and my brother would get really upset. And he is a good shot and hard hunting walking fool.
When I grew up I'd never even heard of a 30-06 or .270. My dad had a Sako L579 Forrester in .243, a Model 70 Westerner .264 Win Mag, a Model 70 in .300 Win Mag and a Model 70 Alaskan .338 Win Mag. When my dad bought me my first rifle it was a Savage 110 in 7mm Rem Mag. The only time that I ever shot a 30-06 was when I borrowed a Remington 742 from my brother in-law.
Well, Mark, Jim, Ryan, I guess it's time to make a video about
"The Rifle Man's Rifle" (winchester model 70)
Mostly, I am interested in:
model 70 extreme weather ss
Come on, guess, I have been asking this forever!
And yes, Ryan, please compare it to our favorite tikka t3x stainless
Thanks
Gregory from Alberta
I bought a Winchester model 70 from the 1940s in .270 and for 30-06 I bought a Garand.
Imo best way to enjoy both cartridges.
I’d like to see a cartridge talk comparing the .270 vs 6.5 prc I feel like these will match up good against each other
Good stuff. Maybe you guys could talk about these guys who are loading 165 ABLR's in there 1:10 twist .270 wins and getting great accuracy at around 2750 fps...
🤠 Easily 2,800 ft/s, but 2,900 ft/s with Reloader 26! 🔥
🕵️♂️ At a Muzzle Velocity of 2,800 ft/s, it will maintain 2,000 ft/s and produce more than 1,500 ft lbs of Energy at the Elevations I Hunt Elk (9,000+ ft) Out to Over 1/2 Mile! Who Needs Anything More? 😜
Next Comparison!!! 6.5PRC vs 270win.
Choose these bullets for the testing....
6.5PRC ,143gr ELD-X vs 270win. 145gr. ELD-X
6.5PRC , 130gr CX vs 270win. 130gr. CX
The numbers are nearly identical. Velocity and energy. And weight is spot on the same.
I truly do think that the 6.5 prc is the best "deer" cartridge devised when all deer hunting in North America is taken into consideration. Everything from mulies in Wyoming, to Coues in Arizona, to Whitetails In Maine and Saskatchewan. A 130 or 140gr at or a bit over 3000fps is a great balance for deer hunting. The 270 did and does this well, but the higher average bc and sd of the 6.5 projectiles, being driven to the same speed, gives it the slight edge to me.
Tikka T3x Super Light, chambered in .270…. 🤌 sweet combo.
Wish we could have seen the .270 from the top POV like they talked about. Why not rotate it for the crowd? Maybe stand in front of the wall when pointing and talking about them next time too. Love these vids. Watching/listening to too many of them. Helped me buy my 30-06 Tikka with a vortex scope
Started with the 30-06 still use it. Owned a 270 win. I am not sure if it’s wrong or not but I always worried that the 270 didn’t perform same or better as the 30-06 in the maine woods. I’m more comfortable shooting in less favorable conditions with the 30-06
270 didn't become popular until the introduction of the Weaver K series. That's not a coincidence
Thanks! I wasn’t familiar with that bit of history. I can see how a 4x scope with a 1” tube and centered reticle would be a game changer.
Need to do 6.5prc vs 270.
The 6.5 prc outperformed the 270 with the 130grain at all ranges . Get the prc if your buying a new rifle. The prc family is definitely the future. Those will dominate the scene eventually because there just better in every way at every range
Ehhh, you lose magazine capacity and have a bit more recoil. I don’t think it will catch on as much as you might think. Plus go to hardware stores, gas stations, Walmarts, etc. and try to find 6.5 PRC ammo.
You won’t find it. Barrel life is also rough for the 6.5 PRC.
270 Win vs. 6.5 Creedmoor is a more fair comparison. 6.5 PRC is more like a magnum cartridge so compare it to 270 WSM.
Of the PRC cartridges, I believe that the 7mm PRC is Goldilocks - not too big, not too small… just right!
@@chipsterb4946 I'd have to agree with your comments. That 7prc is just hitting well above the rest. From point blank. all the way out past 1000. Goldilocks cartridge is a pretty good sum up .
@@chipsterb4946Not exactly. The 270 win and the 6.5 prc are very close ballisticaly to each other out to around 500 yards. The creedmoor doesn't have no where near the performance of the 270 Win. And the 6.5 prc is not on the same level as the 270 wsm. The Wsm flat out stomps the prc.
A round from the past was a 270 bronze tip proved to have a great effect on deer
I gotta say.. I recently bought a " dream rifle" tikka t3x hunter stainless fluted. For me it was affordable accurate and lightweight. Did some research and got a little caught up. Went 6.5 creedmoor. I hunt blacktail in western washington. Wish I went 270. I did end up getting a nice 2 point at 300 so I'm not totally bummed.
30-06 with 15 grain Nosler partition pushed by a healthy done of superformance powder and I have never been able to teach a deer any new tricks after having shot it with that combination in conjunction with a FN98 Mauser rifle in a wood stock. It does not get more old school than that if smokeless powder is the stuff that does the working part.
I like the 3006 Springfield the best
What is the twist rate for 2506AI
So much has to be said for the shootability of the .270 W. A rifle that is comfortable to shoot is just plain more accurate. Granted, you don't have as much impact energy but you are impacting at your point of aim more often. However, your shot must be sure.
With the .30-06 and bigger pill weights and more frontal area, it could be more forgiving. So, if your rifle that day was 1 MOA, no problem, you have a large enough bullet mushrooming and doing the work that your target animal will expire and you can and will harvest it. And yeah, it served well in wartime.
So, pick the one you can shoot and go with that. And yeah, you can choose a .30-06 in a comfortable loading that will do the job.
30 06 for me but I have 270 Browning bar
“I think that’s if you’re gonna get married”
“Oh, sure”
😂
👰If Ryan is going to get married, it should be to the 270 Winchester! 🤣
The only 270 rifle I have is my grandfather's Remington 7600 pump action and I have never shot it. I have my 30-06 Remington 7600 that my Dad got for me when I was 16 years old. I am now 55 years old. I'm gonna send mine off to Hillbilly gunsmithing to be re-worked and a new barrel put on it after this next deer season.
I have hunted with both interchangeably for the last 36 years both have accounted for many deer. my biggest buck yet was with a 12ga foster slug
😁 just put it in the bread basket and you won't go wrong and most of all enjoy the hunt...
i have both
❤ them both, I would say the greatest factor. Is whether you live east of mississippi or west of the mississippi. Us easterners tend to like the 3/06. Where westerners tend to favor the 270 a little bit better., Or more whatever vinecular you prefer.
🕵️♂️ Use the 270 Winchester shooting the 130 grain Horneday CX copper bullet - with Horneday's Superformance Ammunition and pushing it out at 3,200 ft/s - and that entire block will be penetrated! 😜
Let's be honest, if you had told them that the top gel block was the .30-06 then their opinions would have been that the .30-06 was just a little better.
I'm a .30-06 guy, and I attribute that to my childhood. Yet looking at the ballistics of the Hornady .270 ELD-X, I have to admit that is flatter shooting and for less recoil.
Really enjoyed the video and Podcast. In my opinion you are debating which one of your sons do you like more, the one that is the star quarterback or the one that is the star pitcher. Now based on what I heard for the two of you, you really want to sing the praises of the 270(and you should) but due to your earlier days you just can't bring yourself around to give the 270 the full respect it deserves.
There's not a nickels worth of difference between the two firing 150 grain bullets. I have used them both for a very long time.
Some of the newer slow-burning powders like RL26 give a significant boost to the 270Win performance with heavier projectiles.
It’s a hard pill to swollen guys, but you just need to accept that the 270win is better then the 3006.
Put the 130 gr. ttsx 30 06 and it spanks the 270 moving at 3300 fps. with more frontal area. Then go to 165 gr. bullets and bigger you can't even get in that game .270 is a specialized deer or sheep cartridge at best. Sorry to burst your buble.. To better the 06 you have to neck up 338 cal. or 358cal.
@@wadeparker6091"use this one specialized cartridge and it's way better!!!" Is essentially your argument. You're reaching so hard. 270 will take an elk or moose all day.
Lol man, you’re something else. Face the facts, the .270 is just the better cartridge.
Shoots flatter (by far the most important as shot placement means more than anything else)
Lighter recoil
Better wind deflection
Higher speeds for expansion
The only things it loses out on is frontal diameter and muzzle energy, both of which are less important than what’s listed above.
Its a hard pill to swollen [sic], but you just need to accept that the 25-06 is better then [sic] 270win.
Actually the 270 would be easier to swallow because it’s a smaller pill 😊
So are we gonna talk about Ryan dropping the ‘06 pill in his coffee lol. That made chuckle.
270 vrs 2506 witch is better for deer size game
Your right, it was just the way it was..as for me..!!!!! one of each caliber!!!! all of them :):):) !!!
Hi Guys, it was the 30-06 the .270 and the 7mm rem mag
Probably on television that didn't have a remote 🤣. That made my day lol. I can't say much I'd be the same
Maybe could do American vs the world cartridges .303 6.5 Swiss 7.62x54 so many other cool rounds
I would’ve liked to have seen the 150grain 270 win core lokt.
Does any other caliber use the 270 bullets? The 280s are used by dozens of 7mm cartridges as does the 30s.
If going sub 30 caliber why not use a common size?
Both are great, capable cartridges. I think the world record brown bear is still held by the 30.06
RL26 and modern bullets make the 270 into a monster. I pushed a 150ALR at 3150 with a 24" barrel. I got pressure signs at 3200 and accuracy fell apart. What more would one want?
10 channels? We had no tv in our household as a kid. My maternal grandmother had two. There were about 6 channels in the 70’s & 80’s. ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, 2 UHF channels that eventually became FOX and WB.
My dad hunted with 130gr HP out of his 300 win mag for years!
I killed a maine moose in 03’ with a 270. I don’t recall but it was either a 150 gr. Rem core lokt, or Winchester super x. Shot it at 150 yards and it didn’t even flinch. Required 3 shots. Bullet went through both lungs.
Contrast, my dad shot one with 180 gr .308 in 07’. 100 yard shot… hit it a little forward in the shoulder. Knocked moose over upon impact… he got up and took off. Let it sit over night. Next morning we tracked that thing 2 miles through the deep woods in maine and lost the blood trail. Just goes to show that placement is key. Either one will do the job… it’s just preference.
Both are great cartridges.... now if ya really wanna stir up the fan boys. 270 Win beats 6.5 Creedmore and why own a 308 Win. when it will always be the 30-06 lite
270 Win fast twist is going to be the new 6.5 Creedmore. This will be the biggest resurgence of an old classic ever, albeit way overdue. It checks all the boxes, and there is no risk getting into a new rifle chambered in 270 Win because the cartridge is well established with 90gr to 150 gr boolits everywhere already.
My whole family has shot .270. Pa has a Browning BAR, dad had a Abolt-ll stainless, uncle had a abolt-ll stalker, and I have a abolt-ll. All these rifles are .270win. 140sst at roughly 3000
If you load a 130 gr. bullet in 30 06 it spanks the 270 at about 3300 ft. Per. Bigger frontal area. The 270 is limited in bullet weight it is a good deer round but in bigger game the 30 06 has every add. God podcast keep them coming much fun. Great job guys.
243 for deer and antelope 270, 06, ect for elk up
If it's for deer and blackbear, I'd get the one in stock for the best price. That's how I acquired a .270. I'd lean 06 for elk or moose.
I like both but 338/06 for me
It’s just to bad they don’t make ammo for the 338/06 because it’s a fantastic round! I reload and have a truck load of 30-06’s from the last 60+ years of hunting collecting and reloading them
@@edwardabrams4972 All it takes is a 338 ought 6 die to turn all that brass from a 30 ought 6 into the 338.
That's what I do can't afford the loaded round from the factory
Try running the numbers on the 270 and 30-06 both loaded with the 130 grain and you might be surprised what cartridge has the flattest trajectory. So that takes some of the flat shooting advantage away from the 270. I have both and taken game with both. The 30-06 has worked best for me. If you’re not reloading that changes the landscape a little. You can always neck down the 30-06 and turn it into a 270 or shorten the case and make a 308 to help recoil sensitive shooters like women and children 🤣🤣🤣. Sorry I had to throw that in there.
30-06 has put game down faster in my experience obviously they both work well.
Sectional density of a 130gr 30-06 bullet is woeful. The .270 is king, bub. Just penetrates more and has less recoil. It’s Joever for the .30-06.
@@hunterjohnson5635 idk if it penetrates better with common loadings. I personally had a 130 cup and core bullet out of a 270 stop in a whitetail deer at almost full broadside. I’ve seen me and my large family shoot more deer than I could count with a 150 - 180 grain cup and core bullets with the -06 and I’ve never personally seen a whitetail deer on a broadside or even quartering shot without an exit wound. I’ve been hunting and watching them for about 40 years. It’s literally been tons of whitetail. I’m guessing a 165 in the 06 has a little more energy than the 270 can produce. I haven’t checked the numbers lately. I like and use both. That’s just my experience. Happy hunting.
JUST BUY BOTH AND BE HAPPY! 🥳
For me it is not either/or. I own both both and love both.
With the blister on Ryan's hand 32:50. Looks like he may have done some Shoot Shovel and Shut up. 😉
Throw a flap of leather on the gel. It’ll change everything.
I'm sorry guys but I wasn't Fair Auto Matic against a bolt action. You should use a bold action against a bold action You won't have the same velocity and pressure
It all depends on the rifle and the bullet. You don't want a 5lb. Tikka chambered in 30-06 but you can reduce recoil by dropping grains. People need to be realistic as to their hunting distance.
You don't need a million choices you just need something that works really well... 270 win and 130 gr bullet... there really isn't much of a need for something else... but just in case there is, when you need to go heavy, there are 150s... its just as versatile but in a different more simplified way...
The 270 being better is like saying beans on toast is an awesome breakfast.
Both are ok and about as economical as it can get. I have both 270win and 30-06 as well as 25-06. I never use the 25-06 because now theres 277cal bullets available in bullets down in the very light range to 150gr and heavier. At least for me the 270win has nudged out my 25-06 as it does everything ut does and 270win in factory form is far more economical.
Why not the 7mm prc over both the cartridges, 7mm prc shoots 175, 168, 130, and you can load it as light as a 270 and as fast a magnum load!!!
Funny we actually have a radio station that is “HOT 93.5”
45-70 is still the King 👑
The 270 Win will take out the big game animal if you do your job. The 30-06 will do it to with a little more recoil BUT do you feel the difference when you’re amped up and you see that deer drop like a rock? No, you don’t care afterward if you make a good shot so be confident with what you take afield and happy hunting.
I have both 270 and 30 06 I choose the 270 but I don't use rounds under 140gr! Iam also 75 years old!!!!
I'll put my Sako finnlight in 270 Winchester against any other cartridge Or rifle for that matter... Accurate, fast, powerful, manageable recoil and flat shooting... After hunting over 50 years and having Winchester model 70s, Remington 700s, Mauser 98s in both my Holy Grail is that lightweight Sako finnlight in 270 Winchester....
Hair spiltting in my opinion. Within 250-300 yards any of them (3006, 308,270,7mmRem etc) will drop a big game animal where it stands. But I know first hand the 270 does this no question.
Question is, what’s going to stop a charging grizzly in its tracks sooner, a 45-70 or a .270?
To me this is the comparison. The stream lined bullets glide through air but lack the frontal surface area.
Whoteewhoo in his anecdotal experience with others found out that 6.5 CM wasn’t putting down as quickly.
The size of the temporary cavity inside the animal has a lot to do with dropping an animal in its tracks. According to Duncan MacPherson, an engineer who studied bullet dynamics and wound trauma, the shock from the sudden opening of a large void inside the animal tends to stun it and prevent it from running briefly. Often the animal bleeds out and dies before regaining mobility. He explained that a large temporary cavity creates a brief "blunt-force-trauma paralysis" similar to hitting someone on the back with a 2x4. How close the shot is to the spine or the bundle of nerves at the solar plexus also plays a big part.
Creating a large enough temporary cavity to reliably stun an animal requires a particular combination of velocity and bullet frontal diameter that the 270 obtains much more often than the slower, slightly smaller 6.5 Creedmoor. The 6.5 Creedmoor, especially with relatively heavy bullets, does enough damage to kill the animal, but often isn't traveling fast enough to reliably cause a "Dead Right There" drop.
Historical note: One of the reasons that the 270 Win became so famous when introduced in the late 1920's is that it frequently produced "killed like lightening" effect whereas many 30-06 loads of the time did not. Advancements in propellants and bullets has made the 30-06 and other cartridges more likely to achieve DRT results now.
A 45 70 would stop a griz faster than a 30 06 too
@@jfess1911 the 30-06 during WW2 was downloaded and called m2 ball if I recall.
I wonder if hunters then we’re using lessened charges to down their game. Happy to see a resurgence in gods caliber
@@WayStedYou at closer ranges that seems to be my anecdotal experience with those I’ve talked to as well
@@trkjivdlopmd Propellant technology improved steadily after the 1906 introduction of the 30-06.*
Things got confusing after WWI. A more powerful. longer-range load, the "M1 Ball" was developed but then abandoned for a number of reasons. The initial M2 Ball load developed in the 1930's had less recoil than the M1, used a lighter bullet (152 vs ~173grain) but was was still about 100fps faster than the original 1906 150gr load.
The armor piercing "A.P. M2" 30-06 load used later in WWII was a bit hotter than all the previous loads, though. It launched a ~168gr bullet at about 2775 fps, according to Hatcher's notebook.
It was possible to hand-load hotter with the right powder, but I don't know if factory hunting ammo did so.
*The 308 (7.62x51) was designed to essentially match the performance of the original 1906, 30-06 load. With modern powders, the 308 has improved beyond that. Then again, the 30-06 has gotten better too!
I've seen copper not open before.
Remington accelerators couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. Amen. I remember I tried a box and they sucked.
.270 is the skinny 4-legged critter bolt of lightening.
The 30-06 is the .270 XT.
Extra thump.
Where is the 35 Whelen ?
Shoot gel with 270WSM and a 300WSM