El Mariachi was shot on 16mm and Once Upon a Time in Mexico was shot on early HD cameras where it would never look any better than 1080p. Neither film could probably get a 4k remaster like Desperado.
Plenty of films shot in 1080p digital have gotten 4k upgrades. Attack of the clones, Revenge of the sith, Collateral are a couple of examples. 16mm can also benifit from a 4k restoration as well.
Between this and Silence of the Lambs Arrow is killing it next week. I'm kind of disappointed El Mariachi didn't get a 4k as there is still some room for improvement with 16mm. Once Upon a Time I'm not as worried about. Those early 1080 cameras were pretty primitive so I'm not sure how much even HDR would help.
This is my release of the year so far, I absolutely love these films and Robert Rodriguez. Been a fan since I was a kid watching the Spy Kids films then went back to watch From Dusk Till Dawn and the Mariachi Trilogy and just fell in love with the guy. Desperado is one of the best 4Ks I've ever seen, honestly I'd agree that the set is worth it for that film alone, plus all the INCREDIBLE in-depth interviews with Robert, you really can't lose with this box set. Arrow is freaking killing it, and we need From Dusk Till Dawn on 4K YESTERDAY, another one of my all time favorite movies.
I wish El Mariachi would get a new scan at the original 4:3 aspect ratio. It's so awkwardly cropped on all these digital releases. I'm tempted to track down the old VHS just so I can watch it properly again.
Please please PLEASE let this be what leads to From Dusk Till Dawn hitting 4K! I think it will and it’s my favorite Robert Rodriguez movie of all time. Thank you for the review Ken and keep it coming please!
B&N is having a 50% off Arrow Video sale. I just ordered the Desperado 4K steelbook for $30 and Riddick 3-disc 4K for $25. This set was half-off for $50, but I hate the other two films.
Top man Ken great review. I’m in the UK but i appreciate how you came clean. You’re not out to make a kill and you appreciate your fans. “Love your channel buddy”
It was amazing film making with such a low budget that Robert Rodriguez made "El Mariachi" watching it in a movie theater at the time was wonderful and he did everything on the movie. Very inventive with the low budget he had. I'm a fan.
@@thelastmoviestanding He didn’t have time or money to set up shots, and was practically doing wide shots and close ups at the same time. Stand from a distance, take wide shot, then step in for close up. It’s a wrap! Crazy, but it works!
Well … I’m certainly looking forward to getting my copy. It’s due in the mail tomorrow morning .. I’m not expecting a miraculous transformation of El Mariachi … as I recall, Rodrigo bought a used 16mm camera and persuaded various people he knew to help out both sides of the camera. I think it was mostly handheld and his choice of available lenses was limited. I also recall he did all the cutting and editing in his bedroom … along with the music. But however he managed it, the result is still a good watch (ok .. a little rough around the edges) and certainly impressed the right people. I would struggle to see how it would benefit from the 4k treatment .. although careful application of HDR might improve the overall look somewhat? FYI, the Arrow pack cost me £50 to preorder from HMV … UK taxes and shipping included. I guess that equates to approx $US 60? Not cheap, but I didn’t think it too pricey for the 3 movies in a collector’s edition pack with the extra posters and booklet. I fully agree that Dusk til Dawn really is crying out for a good 4k transfer. Similarly, we need the Sin City films!!
My copy is on its way. I have no problem with mix of 4K and Blu-ray. I would love Arrow to release from dusk til dawn as a stand alone or as with prequels as a big box set. Great review.❤❤❤
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I would have been happy to own a chunky box set of just Desperado. Or do a deluxe box for the steelbook version like they used to do but stopped for some reason… I don’t want just the steelbook version because I’m not collecting them
I honestly think that Once Upon a Time In Mexico looked better than Desperado. I don’t think the other 2 movies not being in 4K is a big deal. El Mariachi was so low budget and OUATIM was one of the first films done in digital so yea it would look no different. Fun trilogy though. I got to see Rodriguez play alot of these songs from his movies live a couple weeks ago with his band Chingon.
@MidLevelMedia I don’t get all the negativity. It is clear from the website that just Desperado is in 4K. People who know about film making would know that there is no reason to even invest on a 4K transfer of the other two. Let alone charge you for two. The box is $60 at Arrow for 4 discs including an impressive 4K of Desperado, so stop whining.
@@midlevelmedia oh sorry not YOU. When I reply it automatically mentions your name. Meant the general replies from people here. You state it exactly right as for the other two a 4K transfer won’t be of added value.
In aword no, did you buy it, with only 1 4k, what happened? I remember seeing Desparado years ago, sometimes these labels make wierd decisions, fans should avoid it.
I think I like Once Upon a Time in Mexico more than Desperado. I really enjoyed Johnny Depp’s character he was a good addition and carried the film imo.
Not at all, in my opinion. El Mariachi itself feels like a prototype for Desperado and Once Upon A Time gives enough context for Desperado that you can watch it standalone and you’ll be just fine. (Which was the first of the 3 I watched when I was younger.) Of course, watching them all in sequence is pretty fun to see both Rob’s evolution as a filmmaker, but also the fun nods to the original film, such as seeing Carlos Gallardo featured in Desperado and Planet Terror.
The short answer is no. Desperado is pretty much a remake of El Mariachi with a bigger budget. OUATIM has no connections to the other 2 other than the Mariachi character.
Short answer: no. This is mainstream stuff you probably already own multiple versions. Desperado 4k will be out as standalone in the new year. Guaranteed.
I didn't like the other two movies as movies, so no matter if they were native 4K or not, I wouldn't want them taking up valuable shelf space that could instead be used for two more movies that I love. Desperado only for me...and not for $100, either.
I'm going to pass on this set. I'll just get the standalone steelbook of Desperado. I just can't justify paying that much for the box. When the other 2 films are the same transfer as the Blu-ray set. Also I really don't like the artwork on the box.
Amazon Canada (guess Amazon US as well) is garbage these days, and maybe because there is no other place to get some 4K movies, sometimes it is better and cheaper to get from the US (bought cheaper Sudden death from US), Arrow movies are on sale now at B&N right now so you can get all these movies way cheaper
I'm sorry but Desperado is not in the same league as Pulp Fiction at all. I always found it very over-rated as RR had clearly been influenced / borrowed alot from John Woo. Desperado is a good movie and there is alot to enjoy but its not a masterpiece, the least said about Once Upon a Time in Mexico the better! Just my thoughts.
Why should anyone be bothered that Willem Defoe plays a Mexican? Robert Rodriguez, a man of Mexican heritage mind you, was the one who wanted him to play the role anyway. Ben Kingsley played Ghandi. Alec Guiness played Prince Faisal. Tony Stark played Black Panther. Good luck finding a Sergio Leone western that doesn't have a character of one ethnicity playing another. My point is, the job of an actor is to pretend to be someone they're not... and that's what Willem Defoe is doing...his job...being someone he's not. Just enjoy it.
Alec Guiness playing Prince Faisal isn't a good example. They literally had to do blackface on him for him to play an Arab character. It's particularly bad when they had an excellent Egyptian actor playing Sherif Ali so they could've found someone better suited for the role, they just didn't want to. This isn't to say Guiness didn't do a good job, of course he was really good, but nowadays the role would've gone to someone else and with good reason.
Nice try to sell it dude, but for just one 4K disc and a slip cover, nah i am good. It's way way overpriced. Waiting for a full trilogy 4K attempt from another company or a really good sale, on this poor package.
Not trying to sell. Just giving information and my honest opinion. There’s around 3 hours of new features and interviews here. You don’t get that kind of work from other labels and studios. If you don’t value that, then that’s fine, but to me that makes the Boxset worth it.
I think that from the beginning they said that only one would be in 4K, it is not only Arrow video but all physical 4K are overpriced (Amazon) because many stores stopped selling them, have you seen the $52 dollars for the inside out 2 4K movie? So you are paying 4 dollars for each blu ray on this collection
@@lpf45372 $76.21 w/o shipping I believe is way to much for only having 1 4K movie. I bought it from arrow, so they will get the criticism, for putting out trash for a box set. The reviews I have seen for this set, did not mention only one being 4K. And I usually check for the specs, but I didn’t this time and paid the price for it. So yeah, I am pissed.
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El Mariachi was shot on 16mm and Once Upon a Time in Mexico was shot on early HD cameras where it would never look any better than 1080p. Neither film could probably get a 4k remaster like Desperado.
Dog Soldiers was shot on 16mm and it got a 4k from second sight it looks amazing oh and so was Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
Did not know OUATIM was shot with early HD cameras. They are the reason why The Phantom Menace looked so rough. Oof! Now it makes sense!
@@bigmoviefreak The Phantom Menace was the one prequel shot on 35mm film.
And Maniac 1980
Plenty of films shot in 1080p digital have gotten 4k upgrades. Attack of the clones, Revenge of the sith, Collateral are a couple of examples. 16mm can also benifit from a 4k restoration as well.
The old directors commentary track to El Mariachi was a phenomenal. It was basically film school for the 90's indie spirit.
I bought Robert's book, I wish I still had it.
Between this and Silence of the Lambs Arrow is killing it next week. I'm kind of disappointed El Mariachi didn't get a 4k as there is still some room for improvement with 16mm. Once Upon a Time I'm not as worried about. Those early 1080 cameras were pretty primitive so I'm not sure how much even HDR would help.
This is my release of the year so far, I absolutely love these films and Robert Rodriguez. Been a fan since I was a kid watching the Spy Kids films then went back to watch From Dusk Till Dawn and the Mariachi Trilogy and just fell in love with the guy.
Desperado is one of the best 4Ks I've ever seen, honestly I'd agree that the set is worth it for that film alone, plus all the INCREDIBLE in-depth interviews with Robert, you really can't lose with this box set. Arrow is freaking killing it, and we need From Dusk Till Dawn on 4K YESTERDAY, another one of my all time favorite movies.
We can't have everything on 4k, 4k is not crucial for all films, so let's enjoy what we've got and suffer less
I wish El Mariachi would get a new scan at the original 4:3 aspect ratio. It's so awkwardly cropped on all these digital releases. I'm tempted to track down the old VHS just so I can watch it properly again.
Yes the blurays are slightly upgraded. And they all have new featurettes.
I didn’t have any.
So getting g the box set is great.
Desperado is my favorite, so getting it in 4K is great
Please please PLEASE let this be what leads to From Dusk Till Dawn hitting 4K! I think it will and it’s my favorite Robert Rodriguez movie of all time.
Thank you for the review Ken and keep it coming please!
B&N is having a 50% off Arrow Video sale. I just ordered the Desperado 4K steelbook for $30 and Riddick 3-disc 4K for $25. This set was half-off for $50, but I hate the other two films.
Top man Ken great review. I’m in the UK but i appreciate how you came clean. You’re not out to make a kill and you appreciate your fans. “Love your channel buddy”
What I'm hearing is Desperado is the reason to get the set.
I’m glad I just ordered the Desperado steelbook
I'm just planning on buying Desperado on 4k Steelbook
It was amazing film making with such a low budget that Robert Rodriguez made "El Mariachi" watching it in a movie theater at the time was wonderful and he did everything on the movie. Very inventive with the low budget he had. I'm a fan.
Children of The Corn trilogy only included 4k disc with the first movie, as for a limited time. So making it a 4 disc set.
I absolutely love this trilogy but only have the movies on DVD. I would love to have this.
El Mariachi was made for only $7k
@@thelastmoviestanding He didn’t have time or money to set up shots, and was practically doing wide shots and close ups at the same time. Stand from a distance, take wide shot, then step in for close up. It’s a wrap! Crazy, but it works!
I feel like Quesadillas for dinner now. 🔥 🔥 🔥
Well … I’m certainly looking forward to getting my copy. It’s due in the mail tomorrow morning ..
I’m not expecting a miraculous transformation of El Mariachi … as I recall, Rodrigo bought a used 16mm camera and persuaded various people he knew to help out both sides of the camera. I think it was mostly handheld and his choice of available lenses was limited. I also recall he did all the cutting and editing in his bedroom … along with the music. But however he managed it, the result is still a good watch (ok .. a little rough around the edges) and certainly impressed the right people. I would struggle to see how it would benefit from the 4k treatment .. although careful application of HDR might improve the overall look somewhat?
FYI, the Arrow pack cost me £50 to preorder from HMV … UK taxes and shipping included. I guess that equates to approx $US 60? Not cheap, but I didn’t think it too pricey for the 3 movies in a collector’s edition pack with the extra posters and booklet.
I fully agree that Dusk til Dawn really is crying out for a good 4k transfer. Similarly, we need the Sin City films!!
Just got this set from barnes and noble for 43$. Arrow sale plus 10$ off and i was sold.
Thanks for the review Ken.
thanks for the video you saved me lots of money
Desperado and From Dusk Till Dawn were both shot by the same cinematographer, Guillermo Navarro. :)
My copy is on its way. I have no problem with mix of 4K and Blu-ray. I would love Arrow to release from dusk til dawn as a stand alone or as with prequels as a big box set.
Great review.❤❤❤
I was thinking about getting the Desperado Steelbook, since that’s the only one I really like. Thought for too long, and they sold out 😞
I think Sony may do better work than the boutique labels. I can’t think of one times they missed with a transfer.
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El Mariachi was on 16mm
Desperado was on 35mm
Once upon a time in Mexico was on Early HD Digital camera
El Mariachi doesn’t need 4k but once upon a time could use one
Yep it is
I can say the same thing about Terminator 2, the Blu-ray special edition looks like it's in 4k
Desperado is such a cool film. If they put out a single release in a plastic case, I'll get it.
Steelbook only right now.
I may get the blu ray triple feature down the road to have the other 2 films, I got the desperado 4k steelbook
I would have been happy to own a chunky box set of just Desperado. Or do a deluxe box for the steelbook version like they used to do but stopped for some reason… I don’t want just the steelbook version because I’m not collecting them
Mines in the mailbox...hell yes
I honestly think that Once Upon a Time In Mexico looked better than Desperado. I don’t think the other 2 movies not being in 4K is a big deal. El Mariachi was so low budget and OUATIM was one of the first films done in digital so yea it would look no different. Fun trilogy though. I got to see Rodriguez play alot of these songs from his movies live a couple weeks ago with his band Chingon.
The 4K of desperado is out of stock at the Arrow website
I'm going to buy it when all 3 are in 4k. I'm waiting
I changed the case of DESPERADO to a clear one to match the other 2, and flipped all the covers to the original artwork and it looked way better
I thought about ordering these as well
aaaand they want $60+ for this?? nah. I only want Desperado.
Desperado is sold out on the Arrow website
@MidLevelMedia I don’t get all the negativity. It is clear from the website that just Desperado is in 4K. People who know about film making would know that there is no reason to even invest on a 4K transfer of the other two. Let alone charge you for two. The box is $60 at Arrow for 4 discs including an impressive 4K of Desperado, so stop whining.
Did I whine? Or did you just click and comment without actually watching the video?
@@midlevelmedia oh sorry not YOU. When I reply it automatically mentions your name.
Meant the general replies from people here. You state it exactly right as for the other two a 4K transfer won’t be of added value.
@@pieterbalk-ht7kq Ok cool. Just making sure I didn’t come off the wrong way. Thanks for watching.
Hope they brought over his cooking videos also.
Zavvi delivered mine today. UK
Am I a Mexican or a Mexican’t?
I’m a Mexi-Ken! 😂
I bought this for $53 on the Barnes and Noble sale on August 28 so I hope no one paid way over that price from another retailer.
In aword no, did you buy it, with only 1 4k, what happened? I remember seeing Desparado years ago, sometimes these labels make wierd decisions, fans should avoid it.
Who can resist a young Salma Hayek in 4K?!
Yea also loved from dusk....but Desperado has been my top 3 guilty pleasure movie since teens(w bad boys and predator) all rewatchable 4 ever
Ordered from arrow and company they outsourced did crap job securing in box and had damaged corner that could be easily avoided
I think I like Once Upon a Time in Mexico more than Desperado. I really enjoyed Johnny Depp’s character he was a good addition and carried the film imo.
Personally I think the only movie that’s actually good in this set is El Mariachi…
El Mariachi is the best movie of the set.
They have all three with a good transfer on a blue ray set for $8 when on sale on Gruv. I support Arrow but not in this instance.
Hoping this is available for the arrow video 50% off sale
When is this sale?
@@MortonsReviews right now
@Mediagalore was just there saw nothing of 50% on there
@MortonsReviews might need to go to a different one. Sale started August 26th.
@Mediagalore it just looks like a normal sale that they aren't promoting
Is it recommended to watch all 3 to get a complete story or not?
Not at all, in my opinion. El Mariachi itself feels like a prototype for Desperado and Once Upon A Time gives enough context for Desperado that you can watch it standalone and you’ll be just fine. (Which was the first of the 3 I watched when I was younger.) Of course, watching them all in sequence is pretty fun to see both Rob’s evolution as a filmmaker, but also the fun nods to the original film, such as seeing Carlos Gallardo featured in Desperado and Planet Terror.
The short answer is no. Desperado is pretty much a remake of El Mariachi with a bigger budget. OUATIM has no connections to the other 2 other than the Mariachi character.
Short answer: no. This is mainstream stuff you probably already own multiple versions. Desperado 4k will be out as standalone in the new year. Guaranteed.
I didn't like the other two movies as movies, so no matter if they were native 4K or not, I wouldn't want them taking up valuable shelf space that could instead be used for two more movies that I love. Desperado only for me...and not for $100, either.
I'm going to pass on this set. I'll just get the standalone steelbook of Desperado. I just can't justify paying that much for the box. When the other 2 films are the same transfer as the Blu-ray set. Also I really don't like the artwork on the box.
nice
Need machete on 4k 😊
This box set is 💩for the cost!! Just not worth purchasing for just 1 movie. It’s $125 tax included Canadian from Amazon
I just paid 51£ including shipping that should only be about 67$ even in CAD that 91
Amazon Canada (guess Amazon US as well) is garbage these days, and maybe because there is no other place to get some 4K movies, sometimes it is better and cheaper to get from the US (bought cheaper Sudden death from US), Arrow movies are on sale now at B&N right now so you can get all these movies way cheaper
I'm sorry but Desperado is not in the same league as Pulp Fiction at all. I always found it very over-rated as RR had clearly been influenced / borrowed alot from John Woo. Desperado is a good movie and there is alot to enjoy but its not a masterpiece, the least said about Once Upon a Time in Mexico the better! Just my thoughts.
Didn’t say it was the same league, but just gave me the same vibe
One third of the trilogy is in 4K disgraceful.
Why should anyone be bothered that Willem Defoe plays a Mexican? Robert Rodriguez, a man of Mexican heritage mind you, was the one who wanted him to play the role anyway. Ben Kingsley played Ghandi. Alec Guiness played Prince Faisal. Tony Stark played Black Panther. Good luck finding a Sergio Leone western that doesn't have a character of one ethnicity playing another. My point is, the job of an actor is to pretend to be someone they're not... and that's what Willem Defoe is doing...his job...being someone he's not. Just enjoy it.
Alec Guiness playing Prince Faisal isn't a good example. They literally had to do blackface on him for him to play an Arab character. It's particularly bad when they had an excellent Egyptian actor playing Sherif Ali so they could've found someone better suited for the role, they just didn't want to.
This isn't to say Guiness didn't do a good job, of course he was really good, but nowadays the role would've gone to someone else and with good reason.
Ben Kingsley is indian
Half Indian. Half white.@@grahamfrench2240
@@grahamfrench2240 Half Indian. Nitpicking my examples doesn't detract from my point.
@cloudtx How is Alec Guiness not a good example of an actor doing their job, pretending to be someone they're not?
Nice try to sell it dude, but for just one 4K disc and a slip cover, nah i am good. It's way way overpriced. Waiting for a full trilogy 4K attempt from another company or a really good sale, on this poor package.
Not trying to sell. Just giving information and my honest opinion. There’s around 3 hours of new features and interviews here. You don’t get that kind of work from other labels and studios. If you don’t value that, then that’s fine, but to me that makes the Boxset worth it.
There are white colored Mexicans so William Defoe can be Mexican, no problem there
Well yeah, but his skin was brown in the movie. Lol
@@midlevelmedia from what a remember I thought he had a tanned skin
he could Spanish...with a tan.
Snagged my pre-order on Amazon for just under $80 after taxes.
It’s gonna be cheaper if you just wait a bit.
Sounds like this whole project is a mess.
it's a no from me dog
Fn pissed that I paid 60+ dollars only for one movie to be in 4K. Absolute trash arrow video.
I think that from the beginning they said that only one would be in 4K, it is not only Arrow video but all physical 4K are overpriced (Amazon) because many stores stopped selling them, have you seen the $52 dollars for the inside out 2 4K movie? So you are paying 4 dollars for each blu ray on this collection
@@lpf45372 $76.21 w/o shipping I believe is way to much for only having 1 4K movie. I bought it from arrow, so they will get the criticism, for putting out trash for a box set. The reviews I have seen for this set, did not mention only one being 4K. And I usually check for the specs, but I didn’t this time and paid the price for it. So yeah, I am pissed.