The same capacity gen 2 will weigh less which in turn will create more range. Also it will be smaller in size which means extra space for leg room or the boot or a myriad of other design features. And obv a gen 2 battery of the same size and weight will increase the range significantly. I believe it has faster charging as well. And it's cheaper! That's a win on every level.
i am german, living in china. i drive a BYD tang DM hybrid monster SUV with 700hp and love it. getting close to 200.000km and still going strong. just bought the new SU7 MAX and i can tell the world car industry can pack up and go home soon. cars here are amazing for the price. not perfect. but far better than any of the 50 plus cars i drove in my life from germany before.
Nach 20 Jahren VAG Produkten habe ich es auch gelernt. Unzuverlässig und veraltet, letztes Bj war 2006. Schon damals hat VAG (VW&Audi) zu billig gebaut für eine veraltete Zielgruppe. Seit 10 Jahren BEV, vorwiegend ein US Design. Marken sind egal geworden. Mein letztes TV habe ich nach Spec&Preis gekauft, Marke ? Keine Ahnung, aber es war kein Grundig, Nordmende oder Philips ;-)
In fact, BYD's blade batteries have been iteratively improved, so BYD has not promoted the so-called second-generation blade batteries internally. The blade batteries that will be iterated next year are recognized by the outside world as second-generation blade batteries because the cathode material has been changed, and the cathode material has been changed. Just adding the Mn element brings the following benefits: 1. The energy density increases by 30%. (Partly due to lithium supplementation technology) 2. The voltage of a single battery cell reaches 4.1-4.2V, which greatly increases the charge and discharge rate. The charging rate can reach 6C (charging from 0-100% in 10 minutes). The discharge rate can reach 16C (this is why YANGWANG U9 can achieve a top speed of nearly 400KM/H, YANGWANG U7 can start 0-100KM/H 77 times continuously, in 3 seconds/time). In addition, BYD will equip a model with a solid-state battery for the first time next year, and the relevant patents have been published in China recently.
Wow, that's really some good news. Not for EU car makers I guess. So you say battery will still be LFP with addition manganese and voltage almost like NCM? 6C charging is insane. Will charging in sub zero temperatures be possible? Can't wait for those LFPM cells.
@@slavric Yes, it is LFPM. Its charging and discharging at low temperatures will be significantly better than LFP, but there is no data on the specific improvement. However, the activity of manganese ions at low temperatures is nearly 100% higher than that of iron ions.
Your missing the key points completely! The BYD blade Gen1 is used in the Tesla Model Y SR since 4.2023 (made in Germany). It charges much better than the older CATL LFP Tesla still uses today, faster, has a better charging curve, needs less temp to fast charge, has less problems in winter. And you can plug it in at nearly any SoC and get max charge rate (3C=176 with a 58kWh batt). Where old NCMs only charge fast when empty. But plug in the BYD at ie at 70% or even 80% and get 3C (charge curve still applies but shifts). BYD blade Gen1 in my Model Y is the best battery ever and replaces the more costly bigger NCM batteries. Gen2 will be better, also the new 2024 Catl LFP as well.
As an American I look forward to hearing how these work out in the weather of Europe, I'm in California so the weather is fairly good most of the time for batteries, I do wish battery swapping was a thing so when NEW batteries come out you could just get them installed on the bottom of your car without anything more than a firmware update.
In the really cold countries: Norway, Iceland, Sweden and Finland, EVs are working fine, and have been selling much better than petrol cars for several years. Norway is about 95% EVs in new car sales now.
I wish these vehicles were available in the United States. We currently have a 100% tariff, and they are blocking these vehicles from entering our market for national defense concerns . If we want to reduce global emissions , and if we want widespread adoption of evs , we should let them in
Although I hold NIO I have always been critical of the battery swap idea , thinking.. no one will swap a pricey brand new battery you have taken good care of for someone's beat up, aged near worthless battery. But, the tech certainly does lend itself to new chemistry adaptation. In which new (super) chemistries will emerge. I could see people wanting to swap a Tesla battery for new chemistries at pricey additional labor costs.
That would be awesome , I agree :) Europe is a mix bag of climates, it really is. Cold countries like Norway, Sweden and Finland still get hot at times in summer, and Italy and Greece are insanely hot in summer. It's fascinating really. Californian weather seems brilliant like you say, because you can harvest irradiant energy and put it straight into the car and it's decent weather a lot of the time.
Batteries will keep improving and so they should, but you are right Ben, they are also fine as they are now. Anyone who is resisting buying an EV now because of fears of battery issues is a victim of FUD so masterfully created by the fear mongerers among us.
tens of millions ev cars sold now but never heard they burn every day ...... Any technology that is less than 20 years old can surely be improved and refined, unlike the combustion engine which is more 100 years old...
The reduction in weight is a huge win, since i currently own a vw id4 and its heavy, which wears the tires down so fast, looking foward to the gen leap.
Here in India ev culture is just being started. Huge potential for EV's for Indian marker.also gvt supporting the EV's. Only issue I see is charging station infrastructure. Its next to nothing
@@othmanhassanmajid8192Lightness increases efficiency, particularly around town, and makes it easier to accelerate, stop and go around corners. It also makes a car feel agile and fun to drive. Look at the efforts Mazda go to with their MX5. Improved battery energy density will reduce weight for a given kWh but why lug around a heavy bonnet etc. For example, Model 3 bonnet weighs nothing and is not part of crash structure so it doesn't need to be substantial.
I think there is a balance between energy density and speed of charge as the faster the car can be charged to 80 to 100 % the less of an issue the range becomes as if you can charge in 10misn then 250 to 300 mile range is enough
The blade cell configuration is an excellent design for a vehicle traction battery. Thes batteries have a low component count and are cheap to manufacture. They also have very good packing efficiency and excellent thermal performance. Main downside is they generally don't have a high charging rate. For the majority if users who mainly charge at home or overnight this is not a big issue. Could be a downside though if you do a lot if long distance in ntercity trips say >400km.
Hey Jim, I agree, the it is an excellent design for vehicles. BYD typically have a good charging 'curve' when out and about charging, so it may not be the best charging speed but it's respectable at least.
Higher density and cheaper and faster charging. . Thats what i want in a battery. More range is always good . Also it will make electric planes the future
About the battery, do some batteries still recommend to charge not over 80% and not under 20% for battery life care ? If yes, better off get byd blade battery which you can charge to 100% all the time.
Do not charge ANY Li battery always to 100%. Neither LFP as well. Keep it below 80% to gain max capacity. Charge 90-100% and loose a few % over time, no real issue, but cells no not like and do no need 100% . The BMS needs a full cell to read better data, thats a different story and thats where this misunderstanding of 100% comes from
I am planning on buying a Dolphin next year to replace my Nissan Note that will be 11 in January. Hopefully Dolphins will be supplied with the Blade 2 battery in 2025 as I don't want to have to wait until 2026
@@TheChargeShow With the current range of colours, I would go for the skiing white/urban grey Design trim and hope that you would approve. I wonder if BYD will suffer from the "Osborne effect"?
I have a MG4 with the LFP battery and its great but it charges much slower and the NCM battery version and the NCM battery has 20% more capacity. If I did a lot of road trips the NCM battery is the one I would have chosen. As it happens I don't do many road trips and charge my car at home 99% of the time so the LFP made more sense to me. I think the LFP battery car makes a safer used buy as it less likely damaged by a neglectful first owner. I wonder that when the cars are 7 years old that the NCM degradation will leave it with the same capacity as the LFP battery cars.
Charge rate is not reduced by the LFP cells, mainly the lack of a good battery design, cooling/heating/conditioning, charge system, electronics. See Tesla, they use BYD LFPs and they charge better than NCMs. Theres much more to a battery than just the cells alone
For me the cycle life is becoming more critical as LFP batteries are not close enough to the power levels so once you are ok with power then its about how long does it last 10year or 15 years!
How does LiFePO4 chemistry compare to Li-Ion in terms of energy density? And in terms of safety? As more EV's are deployed battery safety is becoming a HUGE HUGE issue.
They drag out the video to cross the 11 minute mark even when they don't have anything to say. Just beat around the bush. Good way to piss off your audience and make sure your channel remains small.
So can you genuinely charge an lfp battery to 100% every time with no consequences?? MGs cheapest mg4 has lfp and 200 miles of range. Their 64 KW battery car goes say 40 mikes more but you are only supposed to charge it to 80% so the cheaper one seems a better buy
maybe not 'no consequences' but yea none that you would really have to think about. Constantly topping it up (only driving it down to like 75% then going back to 100% every day or so) will degrade the battery a bit faster but this V2 will help even more with that so you don't have to really care at all how you charge.
I was going to reply, until I saw that this comment is great. It's still not ideal to charge to 100%, but they can deal with it better than NCM. There would likely be some capacity drop if you left it at full charge for months on end. It's a comfort to know that you can use the top bit, but you should try not to.
I gotta say but. I'm driving Tesla Model lfp battery. I always top up 100℅ using home AC charger 7kw/h for over a year and exceeded over 50k km range. And the battery still doing well not much of degrading. Normally new battery degrade faster... Then when is reached less 5℅ of battery degraded onward it will be lesser degrade. So after 50k km ranged... The degrade ℅ lesser and lesser. U can see someone with 400k km used and only degraded 15℅ total. The worry some of degrading is not really an issue tbh. How often do people drive more than 400k?
BYDs recommendation is to fully charge the 126S1P LiFePO battery in its EVs once per week, and charge it from less than 10% to 100% at least once every six months.
No battery tech likes sitting at 100% or 0%. You only charge an LFP to 100% to calibrate the Battery Management System (BMS). Most manufacturers recommend charging to 100% once a week. The rest of the time, charging to 80% is a best practice.
In addition, BYD's EV models next year will have a kilovolt platform, which is a 1200V platform. The result is lower energy consumption, a 30% reduction in total motor volume, and faster charging. However, vehicle prices will not increase because BYD's new SiC factory will be officially put into production next year and its production capacity will increase by 10 times, reducing the cost of the vehicle by 8%.
If you think about it you will need to install 1000kg of these blade 2 batteries to give you the just under 190 kWh battery you will need to get somewhere near 1000 km range. But of course, just like with larger ICE engines, the law of diminishing returns will apply - more weight means more motor power means less range. 1000 kg of battery mass - plus associated cabling is a sustainable weight for any car. and then there is charging - if you charge this at home on a standard 7 kw charger the battery is going to take over 24 hours to charge. Of course you could go to a fast charger, but you wouldn't want to put nearly 200 kWh bearing in mind the cost of fast charging - and even with 60 kw charging you are going to be parked somewhere for a long time. The truth is, unless you are undergoing a 1000km trip and you don't want to stop you don't really need 1000 km of range. Even if you are a daily long distance commuter it is unlikely that you will be travelling much over 200 km there and 200 km back again without stopping somewhere so you can recharge. so in reality, for perhaps 98 per cent of all car drivers a range of about 500 km would be sufficient and workable.
A driving range and recharge rate that far exceeds ICE would drive more people towards BEVs at a much faster rate. Also, Japanese ICE engines (most of the time) exceed 250,000 miles with only minor repairs. Can any of these BEVs do that? now?
Easily if they are properly constructed. NCM has around 2000 cycles and LFP around 4000 already. There is a car (EVX Torres) selling here with 1,000,000km warranty on the battery.
Range is a misunderstanding of how an EV works. Do you drive 1000km each day ? Unlikely. A battery with 400km range is enough for most cases. After that its currently a 15-20min charge stop. Maybe only 5-10min depending on where you go. And that with a current small LFP
This really is fast becoming a game changer. I wonder what tariff tactics western governments are now going to have to employ to keep cheap BYD vehicles out of their economies?
Trump wants to remove all subsidies. That plus tariffs will kill EVs in the USA. But with Musk in the White House that will not happen. This is a good thing for two reasons : Musk (don't like him) will push more EVs, and the wider Republican population will see Trump as a liar.
The original BYD Atto3 with a126S1P 60KWhr LiFePO blade battery weighs about 1,740Kg. The shorter range version with the 45KWhr battery weighs a bit less. The Atto is designed to offer the ultimate in practicality and outstanding value, rather than performance. That I think accounts for its popularity and is certainly why it is the best EV for me. All things considered, my guess is BYD will stick to the formula and largely leave the configuration alone, taking any benefit from the Gen2 battery as a 15% range increase giving WLTP 500km vs 450km. There are also a few minor trim and software changes that could be used to differentiate from Gen1. I think most customers would appreciate those improvements and maybe enough, to attract second time around buyers.
I have a Byd and the battery tech is not that great as max charging is 88kW which is only achieved if the battery is cool. Other cars charging at over 200kW is far more advanced and its been available for 3 years.
Blade battery is gone Byd is gone Solid state battery will give same 500 kms for less kw charge and fast charging is possible in solid state with ac charging
It's almost 30%. That's quite a big leap in my book. A car that could drive 300 kilometres, can now do 400 kilometres. That's pushes the range anxiety issue much further away.
I know lots of Europeans who like BYD cars so I don't think everyone shares that sentiment, but I have heard it before. It's worth noting that the designer is European for the new BYD cars. He's called Wolfgang Eggar, and he used to design vehicles for Audi, VW and Lamborghini.
Designed by European designer for Asian consumer preference, if you think it's design is ugly, no one will stop you from getting EU or American EV brands though
(EU here) I love how the BYD Seal looks, and so do many others. Weird generalisation. Only reason I haven't gotten it yet, they are new to the EU marker so rather wait it out
The same capacity gen 2 will weigh less which in turn will create more range. Also it will be smaller in size which means extra space for leg room or the boot or a myriad of other design features. And obv a gen 2 battery of the same size and weight will increase the range significantly. I believe it has faster charging as well.
And it's cheaper!
That's a win on every level.
i am german, living in china. i drive a BYD tang DM hybrid monster SUV with 700hp and love it. getting close to 200.000km and still going strong. just bought the new SU7 MAX and i can tell the world car industry can pack up and go home soon. cars here are amazing for the price. not perfect. but far better than any of the 50 plus cars i drove in my life from germany before.
200.000 KM ? how long have you had it?
"not perfect"? Can u say any car is perfect? Why is this phrase always only used when talking about China?!
@@peanut0brain I think it's because he learned something while debating with those China haters.
Nach 20 Jahren VAG Produkten habe ich es auch gelernt. Unzuverlässig und veraltet, letztes Bj war 2006. Schon damals hat VAG (VW&Audi) zu billig gebaut für eine veraltete Zielgruppe. Seit 10 Jahren BEV, vorwiegend ein US Design. Marken sind egal geworden. Mein letztes TV habe ich nach Spec&Preis gekauft, Marke ? Keine Ahnung, aber es war kein Grundig, Nordmende oder Philips ;-)
551hp is the max for the Performance version. Not sure where you are getting 700+
In fact, BYD's blade batteries have been iteratively improved, so BYD has not promoted the so-called second-generation blade batteries internally. The blade batteries that will be iterated next year are recognized by the outside world as second-generation blade batteries because the cathode material has been changed, and the cathode material has been changed. Just adding the Mn element brings the following benefits: 1. The energy density increases by 30%.
(Partly due to lithium supplementation technology) 2. The voltage of a single battery cell reaches 4.1-4.2V, which greatly increases the charge and discharge rate. The charging rate can reach 6C (charging from 0-100% in 10 minutes). The discharge rate can reach 16C (this is why YANGWANG U9 can achieve a top speed of nearly 400KM/H, YANGWANG U7 can start 0-100KM/H 77 times continuously, in 3 seconds/time). In addition, BYD will equip a model with a solid-state battery for the first time next year, and the relevant patents have been published in China recently.
Wow, that's really some good news. Not for EU car makers I guess. So you say battery will still be LFP with addition manganese and voltage almost like NCM? 6C charging is insane. Will charging in sub zero temperatures be possible? Can't wait for those LFPM cells.
@@slavric Yes, it is LFPM. Its charging and discharging at low temperatures will be significantly better than LFP, but there is no data on the specific improvement. However, the activity of manganese ions at low temperatures is nearly 100% higher than that of iron ions.
Interesting @@niechen608
Your missing the key points completely! The BYD blade Gen1 is used in the Tesla Model Y SR since 4.2023 (made in Germany). It charges much better than the older CATL LFP Tesla still uses today, faster, has a better charging curve, needs less temp to fast charge, has less problems in winter. And you can plug it in at nearly any SoC and get max charge rate (3C=176 with a 58kWh batt). Where old NCMs only charge fast when empty. But plug in the BYD at ie at 70% or even 80% and get 3C (charge curve still applies but shifts). BYD blade Gen1 in my Model Y is the best battery ever and replaces the more costly bigger NCM batteries. Gen2 will be better, also the new 2024 Catl LFP as well.
As an American I look forward to hearing how these work out in the weather of Europe, I'm in California so the weather is fairly good most of the time for batteries, I do wish battery swapping was a thing so when NEW batteries come out you could just get them installed on the bottom of your car without anything more than a firmware update.
In the really cold countries: Norway, Iceland, Sweden and Finland, EVs are working fine, and have been selling much better than petrol cars for several years. Norway is about 95% EVs in new car sales now.
I wish these vehicles were available in the United States. We currently have a 100% tariff, and they are blocking these vehicles from entering our market for national defense concerns . If we want to reduce global emissions , and if we want widespread adoption of evs , we should let them in
Although I hold NIO I have always been critical of the battery swap idea , thinking.. no one will swap a pricey brand new battery you have taken good care of for someone's beat up, aged near worthless battery. But, the tech certainly does lend itself to new chemistry adaptation. In which new (super) chemistries will emerge.
I could see people wanting to swap a Tesla battery for new chemistries at pricey additional labor costs.
That would be awesome , I agree :) Europe is a mix bag of climates, it really is. Cold countries like Norway, Sweden and Finland still get hot at times in summer, and Italy and Greece are insanely hot in summer. It's fascinating really. Californian weather seems brilliant like you say, because you can harvest irradiant energy and put it straight into the car and it's decent weather a lot of the time.
For that you will have to vote for the party which will reduce tariffs. 🙄
Batteries will keep improving and so they should, but you are right Ben, they are also fine as they are now. Anyone who is resisting buying an EV now because of fears of battery issues is a victim of FUD so masterfully created by the fear mongerers among us.
I’m waiting for vehicle to grid technology to be happening. At the moment it is only coming soon.
Hey Doug, beautifully put. I agree.
true, also most fear mongerers have an agenda/vested interest.
Nevertheless, it will impact the perceived value of existing EV's.
Fleet and leasing companies will take another massive hit
tens of millions ev cars sold now but never heard they burn every day ......
Any technology that is less than 20 years old can surely be improved and refined, unlike the combustion engine which is more 100 years old...
The reduction in weight is a huge win, since i currently own a vw id4 and its heavy, which wears the tires down so fast, looking foward to the gen leap.
Here in India ev culture is just being started. Huge potential for EV's for Indian marker.also gvt supporting the EV's. Only issue I see is charging station infrastructure. Its next to nothing
Charging infrastructure has improved a lot and is still increasing aggressively. Dont worry.
Another good video. BYDs are heavier vs Tesla cars. Getting weight down should be a priority.
Why 😮
@@othmanhassanmajid8192Lightness increases efficiency, particularly around town, and makes it easier to accelerate, stop and go around corners. It also makes a car feel agile and fun to drive. Look at the efforts Mazda go to with their MX5. Improved battery energy density will reduce weight for a given kWh but why lug around a heavy bonnet etc. For example, Model 3 bonnet weighs nothing and is not part of crash structure so it doesn't need to be substantial.
I think there is a balance between energy density and speed of charge as the faster the car can be charged to 80 to 100 % the less of an issue the range becomes as if you can charge in 10misn then 250 to 300 mile range is enough
excellent video.
China i moving so fast. If they would stop all research today they would still continue improving by the momentum.
The blade cell configuration is an excellent design for a vehicle traction battery. Thes batteries have a low component count and are cheap to manufacture. They also have very good packing efficiency and excellent thermal performance.
Main downside is they generally don't have a high charging rate. For the majority if users who mainly charge at home or overnight this is not a big issue. Could be a downside though if you do a lot if long distance in ntercity trips say >400km.
Hey Jim, I agree, the it is an excellent design for vehicles. BYD typically have a good charging 'curve' when out and about charging, so it may not be the best charging speed but it's respectable at least.
@1:48 🤞 for when it gets to blighty
Higher density and cheaper and faster charging. . Thats what i want in a battery. More range is always good . Also it will make electric planes the future
About the battery, do some batteries still recommend to charge not over 80% and not under 20% for battery life care ?
If yes, better off get byd blade battery which you can charge to 100% all the time.
Do not charge ANY Li battery always to 100%. Neither LFP as well. Keep it below 80% to gain max capacity. Charge 90-100% and loose a few % over time, no real issue, but cells no not like and do no need 100% . The BMS needs a full cell to read better data, thats a different story and thats where this misunderstanding of 100% comes from
When a sodium battery will be launched.
They are already available. But still to expensive for car use (they weigh too much)
That’s good and Better than model y rwd lfp because battery density is just over 90wh per kg.
I am planning on buying a Dolphin next year to replace my Nissan Note that will be 11 in January. Hopefully Dolphins will be supplied with the Blade 2 battery in 2025 as I don't want to have to wait until 2026
I hope so too. What colour do you think you'll go for?
@@TheChargeShow With the current range of colours, I would go for the skiing white/urban grey Design trim and hope that you would approve. I wonder if BYD will suffer from the "Osborne effect"?
Initially v2 batteries will come in BYD's luxury brand Yangwang. I think the new batteries will come in mainstream models after an year or so
Wait a bit for the new battery 🔋
why not wait solid for a bit longer
Summary
1.Gen 2 key improvements include a 27% increase in energy density (reaching 190 Wh/kg)
2. As safe as Gen 1
that's it the rest are just fluff.
excellent work byd
I have a MG4 with the LFP battery and its great but it charges much slower and the NCM battery version and the NCM battery has 20% more capacity. If I did a lot of road trips the NCM battery is the one I would have chosen. As it happens I don't do many road trips and charge my car at home 99% of the time so the LFP made more sense to me. I think the LFP battery car makes a safer used buy as it less likely damaged by a neglectful first owner. I wonder that when the cars are 7 years old that the NCM degradation will leave it with the same capacity as the LFP battery cars.
Charge rate is not reduced by the LFP cells, mainly the lack of a good battery design, cooling/heating/conditioning, charge system, electronics. See Tesla, they use BYD LFPs and they charge better than NCMs. Theres much more to a battery than just the cells alone
Any word on cold-temperature performance? Does this improve upon gen 1?
Have no issues with Gen1 in winter, preheating for DC fast charge is around 20min, much much better then the current CATL LFPs
so are there any cars confirmed to be using this battery tech?
I would wait for the Chery's Solid State Battery in full production & will be in their EVs by 2026.
For me the cycle life is becoming more critical as LFP batteries are not close enough to the power levels so once you are ok with power then its about how long does it last 10year or 15 years!
How does LiFePO4 chemistry compare to Li-Ion in terms of energy density? And in terms of safety? As more EV's are deployed battery safety is becoming a HUGE HUGE issue.
Why does it take 11 minutes to tell me how much more range I get
It would have taken you seconds if you Googled it.
@ nice way to grow your channel bud. Grow up
They drag out the video to cross the 11 minute mark even when they don't have anything to say. Just beat around the bush. Good way to piss off your audience and make sure your channel remains small.
Hopefully CATL can respond
Hopefully!
I think they already did it's just not commercially ready yet. The CATL's Shenxing battery is supposed to be better.
Respond to what? Its not out yet and their Shenxing will come out first and higher density. Golden Brick Battery is better and in cars right now
They already did with their 2024 shenxing. Tesla will use the new CATL in 2025
Although long term I believe solid state batteries are better
It will take two decades from now
These need to be put in the Seagull before selling it in Australia.
I know! So many people are keen for the current version in Australia, given that most people live in cities. Perfect!
I love listening to your soothing voice 😊
Thanks very much :) I wished more people said that.
So can you genuinely charge an lfp battery to 100% every time with no consequences?? MGs cheapest mg4 has lfp and 200 miles of range. Their 64 KW battery car goes say 40 mikes more but you are only supposed to charge it to 80% so the cheaper one seems a better buy
maybe not 'no consequences' but yea none that you would really have to think about. Constantly topping it up (only driving it down to like 75% then going back to 100% every day or so) will degrade the battery a bit faster but this V2 will help even more with that so you don't have to really care at all how you charge.
I was going to reply, until I saw that this comment is great. It's still not ideal to charge to 100%, but they can deal with it better than NCM. There would likely be some capacity drop if you left it at full charge for months on end. It's a comfort to know that you can use the top bit, but you should try not to.
I gotta say but. I'm driving Tesla Model lfp battery. I always top up 100℅ using home AC charger 7kw/h for over a year and exceeded over 50k km range. And the battery still doing well not much of degrading. Normally new battery degrade faster... Then when is reached less 5℅ of battery degraded onward it will be lesser degrade. So after 50k km ranged... The degrade ℅ lesser and lesser. U can see someone with 400k km used and only degraded 15℅ total. The worry some of degrading is not really an issue tbh. How often do people drive more than 400k?
BYDs recommendation is to fully charge the 126S1P LiFePO battery in its EVs once per week, and charge it from less than 10% to 100% at least once every six months.
No battery tech likes sitting at 100% or 0%. You only charge an LFP to 100% to calibrate the Battery Management System (BMS). Most manufacturers recommend charging to 100% once a week. The rest of the time, charging to 80% is a best practice.
In addition, BYD's EV models next year will have a kilovolt platform, which is a 1200V platform. The result is lower energy consumption, a 30% reduction in total motor volume, and faster charging. However, vehicle prices will not increase because BYD's new SiC factory will be officially put into production next year and its production capacity will increase by 10 times, reducing the cost of the vehicle by 8%.
Nice, SiC is very expensive, if they start making their own then there is another victory for China.
Is it possible to swap Blade battery v1 to v2 in the future ?
Gen1 will last maybe 20 years, at that time Gen 12 will be available
@@t.d.5804Superb reply
do we have 1000km range on a single charge?
If you think about it you will need to install 1000kg of these blade 2 batteries to give you the just under 190 kWh battery you will need to get somewhere near 1000 km range. But of course, just like with larger ICE engines, the law of diminishing returns will apply - more weight means more motor power means less range.
1000 kg of battery mass - plus associated cabling is a sustainable weight for any car.
and then there is charging - if you charge this at home on a standard 7 kw charger the battery is going to take over 24 hours to charge. Of course you could go to a fast charger, but you wouldn't want to put nearly 200 kWh bearing in mind the cost of fast charging - and even with 60 kw charging you are going to be parked somewhere for a long time.
The truth is, unless you are undergoing a 1000km trip and you don't want to stop you don't really need 1000 km of range. Even if you are a daily long distance commuter it is unlikely that you will be travelling much over 200 km there and 200 km back again without stopping somewhere so you can recharge.
so in reality, for perhaps 98 per cent of all car drivers a range of about 500 km would be sufficient and workable.
Possible in a Nio with a 150kWh battery, but why 1000km ? Do you drive that much each day ?
A driving range and recharge rate that far exceeds ICE would drive more people towards BEVs at a much faster rate. Also, Japanese ICE engines (most of the time) exceed 250,000 miles with only minor repairs. Can any of these BEVs do that? now?
Easily if they are properly constructed. NCM has around 2000 cycles and LFP around 4000 already. There is a car (EVX Torres) selling here with 1,000,000km warranty on the battery.
Range is a misunderstanding of how an EV works. Do you drive 1000km each day ? Unlikely. A battery with 400km range is enough for most cases. After that its currently a 15-20min charge stop. Maybe only 5-10min depending on where you go. And that with a current small LFP
BYD cars are amazing.
This really is fast becoming a game changer.
I wonder what tariff tactics western governments are now going to have to employ to keep cheap BYD vehicles out of their economies?
No tactics will work because we are too dependant on China now.
So, Musk will be telling Trump to put a 100% tariff on Chinese EV's, to protect his beloved Tesla.
Tesla manufacturers more cars in China than in the US. So who do you think would get the smoke from China in retaliation?
My Tesla was built here in Germany with no tariffs on the BYD blade battery Tesla uses here
Trump wants to remove all subsidies.
That plus tariffs will kill EVs in the USA.
But with Musk in the White House that will not happen.
This is a good thing for two reasons : Musk (don't like him) will push more EVs, and the wider Republican population will see Trump as a liar.
Any weight savings with Gen 2? I'm looking at getting a BYD vehicle next year. I'm wondering if I should wait til Gen 2 is available.
The original BYD Atto3 with a126S1P 60KWhr LiFePO blade battery weighs about 1,740Kg. The shorter range version with the 45KWhr battery weighs a bit less.
The Atto is designed to offer the ultimate in practicality and outstanding value, rather than performance. That I think accounts for its popularity and is certainly why it is the best EV for me.
All things considered, my guess is BYD will stick to the formula and largely leave the configuration alone, taking any benefit from the Gen2 battery as a 15% range increase giving WLTP 500km vs 450km.
There are also a few minor trim and software changes that could be used to differentiate from Gen1.
I think most customers would appreciate those improvements and maybe enough, to attract second time around buyers.
@@jimgraham6722 I meant weight savings on the Gen 2 Blade battery 😂
I guess I wasn't clear
@@g00nther OK if they take the improvement as a weight savings I think it would be about 70Kg
I have a Byd and the battery tech is not that great as max charging is 88kW which is only achieved if the battery is cool. Other cars charging at over 200kW is far more advanced and its been available for 3 years.
LFP is the choice because patents are expired and free to use
Cmon BYD get them in your cars asap. LFP is battery chemistry I like most and I'm hanging out to get an EV until the blade 2 is in their cars
So many people think the same :) Keen to get this new tech.
Your voice is not clear and loud
What happened to teslas so called battery improvements and his solar roof tiles ?
Blade battery is gone
Byd is gone
Solid state battery will give same 500 kms for less kw charge and fast charging is possible in solid state with ac charging
You have no clue about batteries I guess
@@hadana1999He has no clue. Period. 😂
27%? not much of an improvement.
It's almost 30%. That's quite a big leap in my book. A car that could drive 300 kilometres, can now do 400 kilometres. That's pushes the range anxiety issue much further away.
Can you do better professor?
Bet you'd like a 27% pay rise ?
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Byd is a pvt electric cars making company in china and it is not global leader in electric cars making all around the world.
Misleading heading. If I wanted to know about there battery’s again. I would search about there batteries not there new cars and get batteries anyway.
The heading highlights what is in the video.
Chinese advert
Ok.
Your government should impose more tariffs on China. Don't become communists!
LOL!
Yea, like if you fluoridate water your become a commie ... duh
Better become communist than become money making slave for the borjouis😊
i do like the byd blade battery but i dont like their cars.
they look to chinese inside and outside
europeans dont like it
I know lots of Europeans who like BYD cars so I don't think everyone shares that sentiment, but I have heard it before. It's worth noting that the designer is European for the new BYD cars. He's called Wolfgang Eggar, and he used to design vehicles for Audi, VW and Lamborghini.
Designed by European designer for Asian consumer preference, if you think it's design is ugly, no one will stop you from getting EU or American EV brands though
(EU here) I love how the BYD Seal looks, and so do many others. Weird generalisation. Only reason I haven't gotten it yet, they are new to the EU marker so rather wait it out
then just buy a car of a non chinese brand which uses BYD cells , there are some (at least one I know of)
EU here, BYD has amazing design. European cars are too old fashioned