My Timex quartz "Pepsi" GMT runs +0.2 second per day, and all the GMT functionality works just fine. I paid $160 for it. Yeah, every couple of years I have to open up the little hatch in the back with a screwdriver and drop in a new battery, but that's not so hard . . .
My AirKing, purchased August 2020, runs consistently 3-3.5 spd fast from new. My DJ 41, purchased 2 weeks ago, has been consistent at 3.5 slow. I wear both daily (work from home, and I rotate on my wrist). My Omega SMP 300, purchased April 2020, ran 4-5 spd fast when new, but now has settled in to -1/+1 spd. It too is worn daily. Omega will run faster if I sit it face up overnight, slower if I sit it crown up. Both of the Rolex watches don't seem to care how I sit them on the bureau.
I believe even the previous generation movements can achieve tighter accuracy to within -4/+4 after a service. My 3135 Sea Dweller was running over a minute slow per week. Now it’s about -1.6 seconds/day if I wind it every Wednesday & Saturday morning. However, my caliber 3186 is running +1.5 seconds a day and it’s 8-years old, never been serviced!
Austin what do you think about variability between the 5 positions? Does the -4 to +6 guideline refer to 'on the wrist' or the average across 5 positions? I find that there is considerable variability on the timegrapher between positions. I also find that the variability between positions is much less for my two watches with the chronergy escapements (3235 and 3285) vs my older 3135 and 3187 movements.
well sadly the 214270 that I got in December was running between -6 and -9 a day. I will give the AD credit for taking the time to absolutely get it running perfectly in all positions. ( and yeah, running slow is just something I really hate as well. )
My 214270 was -8 that I got end of last year. Runs now around -6 and I’ve just left it alone. Not my only watch so I have to set it each time I put it on anyway!
Mine is a cheap Automatic from China, Forsining for only 35 U$ (bought last year). It similar to Patek Phillipe Chronograph Geneve with date, day, month and 24 hour display. I had manually tuned it with handphone stopwatch for 3 days and now, wolaaa .....: The accuracy is pretty good, +15 sec/day in Horizontal and -10 in Vertical position. I wind it up 10 to 11 turns every 6AM and 6PM a day. Combine that position and wearing it for work, it can achieve_, +/- 5 sec a day,. After a month of using, my watch still exactly the same hour and minute with world clock reference.
My Revue Thommen diver with Sellita movement is 2 seconds per day fast and it cost peanuts compared to any new Rolex. For that money they better make sure it's within 2 seconds a day! So why Rolex any better I ask myself all the time when a watch's job is to tell time?
What are the chances of you doing a comparison video on a Yachtmaster (blue dial) VS Deep Sea Cameron?I know they are pretty diff...but those are the 2 im looking at!!!
While mechanical watchmakers are bending over backwards to sell you obsolete technology, Casio have added barometric, altimeter, and temperature sensors to improve their useability on top of their already impressive water resistance, and all for just a 1,000 dollars.
My 1675 Rolex runs within 2sec behind every day. It's last service was about 10yrs ago (by a Real Rolex cert watchmaker). I disagree that watchmakers don't want you to have customers expect accuracy.... That's the one very thing that brings real satisfaction to the owner/wearers and keeps them bringing on more time pieces. If it's an inferior movement, that's another thing. But certainly Rolex's should be adjusted to flaunt their full superiority 👍
For a watch at this price one can (understandably) expect great accuracy. (I expect some degree of accuracy in my automatic watches: under 8 seconds is just fine for me.) As tired and obvious as this suggestion sounds, it may behoove accuracy fetishists to settle for watches with quartz movements. One can acquire beautiful-looking, quality watches with impeccable accuracy. And it's easy to get the battery replaced every few years.
Honestly in terms of accuracy each watch differs and I believe we can never be expecting it to the point where everyone's happy; Will people be seriously upset because it's not running the plus and minus within a tight range? I think it's just not realistic. I've gotten a vintage Grand Seiko (6156-8000 Special) and this thing supposed to be promising plus and minus within 3 secs a day even at its prime; over time I believe even with high/frequent maintenance with watchmakers it will derail from that promised accuracy as it ages, are we going to lose our minds and love for the watch just because it's not "accurate enough?" even when it's brand new? I personally don't believe so. If so, maybe get a Grand Seiko quartz :-) Maybe could satisfy both luxury watch and accuracy desire. Thanks Austin for your videos, and I do look forward to my custom video request regarding the Air King Explorer.
Roger that Steve. Before buying a new 16610 Submariner Date in 1991, I was used to +2 seconds per MONTH, from a higher-end 1980’s Seiko 7A28-7039. Even with proper regulation, a mechanical watch is affected by position, motion, temperature and age. A Rolex watch - or any watch from a significant Swiss marque - is limited by its mechanical nature. One buys a Rolex for: A lifetime of OEM support; A bulletproof case; An in-house movement with decades of innovation; The ability to get every dime back out of it after 10 years of ownership; If you’re ever stranded in Kathmandu, 12,000 miles from home, that Rolex is a one-way first class plane ticket home to anywhere on the planet....+ 3 seconds a day? Shake it off!
I bought a new Ex 1 It’s been in twice for 12 wks each time. It’s all over the roadmap. It’s back in again for a stated est 18 weeks. Bought a new DJ 41. It was 12 s slow. In she went. Perfect +1 now. Bought new OP39. Like Exp 1 it’s all over the map. In one time. Still screwy. Will take it in after Ex comes back. New SubD 4s fast. Never worn. Blah!!💩💩
I believe the bulova precisionist runs 10+/- sec a year not a day so for the price of a rolex he'll yeah that shit better be ^+/_ 1 or 2 a year forget the day
Everything seems uninteresting when Spring Drive matches Quartz accuracy at -+15 seconds a month and the solar Citizen Caliber 0100 at -+1 second a year.
New to watches and my engineering brain looks at things different than most of you, if I was paying Rolex prices that thing BETTER be more accurate than any other watch I could buy for a fraction of the cost of them. Sadly they are not and this is why I will never buy a Rolex…not worth the money. I don’t have any insecurities causing me to buy one, I don’t need to impress anyone and when I buy a watch its mine forever so I will never try to resell.
That's the nature of mechanical watches. GS (Grand Seiko) might be more your thing; the Spring Drive and quartz movements are very accurate. And if you're looking for value and utility, you can't beat a Casio. As for Rolex, what I appreciate (among many other things) is their legendary place in the history and evolution of wristwatches. The aesthetics, engineering, and attention to detail is really something that sets the brand apart. If you understand, you understand. And if you don't, or that kind of thing doesn't resonate with you, that's what utilitarian brands like Casio are there for. To each his own.
@@watchsymposium no it doesn’t not when there are others that offer the same at a reasonable price. You are merely paying for a name. If Rolex has a slight edge on one attribute the edge is not that double or triple justifying price hike.
Both my watches are amazingly good time keepers, my Sea Dweller 16600 , 2005 model recently service last year gains 1 second per week or 4 seconds per month. The newer 2018 Root Beer GMT Master 2 gains 1 1/2 seconds per month. I’m either lucky or these watches are seriously amazing time keepers.
@@watchsymposium for $39 that can last for 20 years it is the real time piece. While "heirloom quality" just another market manipulation to make as much money as they can.
@@suffies9659 I don't think you understand the difference between throwaway items, and objects built to last generations. Which would you rather inherit: a vintage Rolex watch or a 20 year-old plastic Casio?
@@watchsymposium - Well, at least you only lose $39. A $20K Rolex will devalue at least $5K in the next 5 years. The super clones are getting too good. Half of the population no longer wear watches. But for $399, the Apple watch is a monster. Who cares if it's obsolete in 5 years. It provides services that Rolex could only dream of.
@@watchsymposium - The super clone Rolex is proof that people only buy a Rolex for the name. The only way you can tell is if you remove the back and look at the machining. Or you will need a magnifier. In reality, nobody will ever get that close up anyway.
My Timex quartz "Pepsi" GMT runs +0.2 second per day, and all the GMT functionality works just fine. I paid $160 for it. Yeah, every couple of years I have to open up the little hatch in the back with a screwdriver and drop in a new battery, but that's not so hard . . .
My AirKing, purchased August 2020, runs consistently 3-3.5 spd fast from new. My DJ 41, purchased 2 weeks ago, has been consistent at 3.5 slow. I wear both daily (work from home, and I rotate on my wrist). My Omega SMP 300, purchased April 2020, ran 4-5 spd fast when new, but now has settled in to -1/+1 spd. It too is worn daily. Omega will run faster if I sit it face up overnight, slower if I sit it crown up. Both of the Rolex watches don't seem to care how I sit them on the bureau.
I have a Traska, Summiteer with a regulated Miyota 9039 movement that gets +1 sec per day... you damn well should expect that from a Rolex!
What people expect from Rolex is to be a status symbol. Unfortunately, Rolex is a symbol of a weak minded person's desire to have status.
Spring drive would spoil you.
Rolex is designed and certified to run +2 or -2 seconds per day; however, you can tighten the accuracy further if the regulation is done correctly.
I believe even the previous generation movements can achieve tighter accuracy to within -4/+4 after a service. My 3135 Sea Dweller was running over a minute slow per week. Now it’s about -1.6 seconds/day if I wind it every Wednesday & Saturday morning. However, my caliber 3186 is running +1.5 seconds a day and it’s 8-years old, never been serviced!
If your rolex is within a second a day, it's matching the accuracy of most Quart watches.
I’ve got the new 3235 movement in my DateJust and it’s running around -0.3 seconds a day!
Austin what do you think about variability between the 5 positions? Does the -4 to +6 guideline refer to 'on the wrist' or the average across 5 positions? I find that there is considerable variability on the timegrapher between positions. I also find that the variability between positions is much less for my two watches with the chronergy escapements (3235 and 3285) vs my older 3135 and 3187 movements.
well sadly the 214270 that I got in December was running between -6 and -9 a day. I will give the AD credit for taking the time to absolutely get it running perfectly in all positions. ( and yeah, running slow is just something I really hate as well. )
My 214270 was -8 that I got end of last year. Runs now around -6 and I’ve just left it alone. Not my only watch so I have to set it each time I put it on anyway!
Use a time graph .
I got a Grand Seiko GMT Chronograph a week ago and its still dead on accurate to the exact second
Mine is a cheap Automatic from China, Forsining for only 35 U$ (bought last year).
It similar to Patek Phillipe Chronograph Geneve with date, day, month and 24 hour display.
I had manually tuned it with handphone stopwatch for 3 days and now, wolaaa .....:
The accuracy is pretty good, +15 sec/day in Horizontal and -10 in Vertical position.
I wind it up 10 to 11 turns every 6AM and 6PM a day.
Combine that position and wearing it for work, it can achieve_, +/- 5 sec a day,. After a month of using, my watch still exactly the same hour and minute with world clock reference.
My Revue Thommen diver with Sellita movement is 2 seconds per day fast and it cost peanuts compared to any new Rolex. For that money they better make sure it's within 2 seconds a day! So why Rolex any better I ask myself all the time when a watch's job is to tell time?
What are the chances of you doing a comparison video on a Yachtmaster (blue dial) VS Deep Sea Cameron?I know they are pretty diff...but those are the 2 im looking at!!!
Probably roughly the same odds of you sending him cash for a custom video.
@@Chris-es3wf lol
@@Chris-es3wf Sooo......no?Ha
dude, get that yachtmaster, it's such a better choice, it's absolutely beautiful. that Cameron DSSD is like wearing a golf ball on your wrist
✊🏽 PHIRST PHISTOS EMERITUS!! ✊🏽
👊🏼
While mechanical watchmakers are bending over backwards to sell you obsolete technology, Casio have added barometric, altimeter, and temperature sensors to improve their useability on top of their already impressive water resistance, and all for just a 1,000 dollars.
I think my 2007 Submariner finally needs a service. It’s losing loads of amplitude after 24 hours.
My 1675 Rolex runs within 2sec behind every day. It's last service was about 10yrs ago (by a Real Rolex cert watchmaker).
I disagree that watchmakers don't want you to have customers expect accuracy.... That's the one very thing that brings real satisfaction to the owner/wearers and keeps them bringing on more time pieces. If it's an inferior movement, that's another thing. But certainly Rolex's should be adjusted to flaunt their full superiority 👍
For a watch at this price one can (understandably) expect great accuracy. (I expect some degree of accuracy in my automatic watches: under 8 seconds is just fine for me.) As tired and obvious as this suggestion sounds, it may behoove accuracy fetishists to settle for watches with quartz movements. One can acquire beautiful-looking, quality watches with impeccable accuracy. And it's easy to get the battery replaced every few years.
Honestly in terms of accuracy each watch differs and I believe we can never be expecting it to the point where everyone's happy; Will people be seriously upset because it's not running the plus and minus within a tight range? I think it's just not realistic. I've gotten a vintage Grand Seiko (6156-8000 Special) and this thing supposed to be promising plus and minus within 3 secs a day even at its prime; over time I believe even with high/frequent maintenance with watchmakers it will derail from that promised accuracy as it ages, are we going to lose our minds and love for the watch just because it's not "accurate enough?" even when it's brand new? I personally don't believe so. If so, maybe get a Grand Seiko quartz :-) Maybe could satisfy both luxury watch and accuracy desire.
Thanks Austin for your videos, and I do look forward to my custom video request regarding the Air King Explorer.
Thanks Cliff - it's on the way!
What accuracy? You don't buy Rolex for accuracy. I wear a radio controlled Gshock
Roger that Steve. Before buying a new 16610 Submariner Date in 1991, I was used to +2 seconds per MONTH, from a higher-end 1980’s Seiko 7A28-7039. Even with proper regulation, a mechanical watch is affected by position, motion, temperature and age. A Rolex watch - or any watch from a significant Swiss marque - is limited by its mechanical nature. One buys a Rolex for: A lifetime of OEM support; A bulletproof case; An in-house movement with decades of innovation; The ability to get every dime back out of it after 10 years of ownership; If you’re ever stranded in Kathmandu, 12,000 miles from home, that Rolex is a one-way first class plane ticket home to anywhere on the planet....+ 3 seconds a day? Shake it off!
My $10 Casio runs +1.5 sec per month.
@@ianmichelino9697 or get robbed and bye bye money.
I have 5 Rolexes and they all run perfect. So you really get what you get. Never serviced any of them and all are vintage.
I bought a new Ex 1 It’s been in twice for 12 wks each time. It’s all over the roadmap. It’s back in again for a stated est 18 weeks.
Bought a new DJ 41. It was 12 s slow. In she went. Perfect +1 now.
Bought new OP39. Like Exp 1 it’s all over the map. In one time. Still screwy. Will take it in after Ex comes back.
New SubD 4s fast. Never worn.
Blah!!💩💩
Less than 1 second drift a month on my $80 Casio
Grand Seiko is 15 sec / month ......
That's Spring Drive. Their fully mechanical movements are +4 to -2 seconds a day.
I believe the bulova precisionist runs 10+/- sec a year not a day so for the price of a rolex he'll yeah that shit better be ^+/_ 1 or 2 a year forget the day
That Bulova use quartz, thats why is so precise
Everything seems uninteresting when Spring Drive matches Quartz accuracy at -+15 seconds a month and the solar Citizen Caliber 0100 at -+1 second a year.
casio mrw200h ;)
New to watches and my engineering brain looks at things different than most of you, if I was paying Rolex prices that thing BETTER be more accurate than any other watch I could buy for a fraction of the cost of them. Sadly they are not and this is why I will never buy a Rolex…not worth the money. I don’t have any insecurities causing me to buy one, I don’t need to impress anyone and when I buy a watch its mine forever so I will never try to resell.
That's the nature of mechanical watches. GS (Grand Seiko) might be more your thing; the Spring Drive and quartz movements are very accurate. And if you're looking for value and utility, you can't beat a Casio.
As for Rolex, what I appreciate (among many other things) is their legendary place in the history and evolution of wristwatches. The aesthetics, engineering, and attention to detail is really something that sets the brand apart. If you understand, you understand. And if you don't, or that kind of thing doesn't resonate with you, that's what utilitarian brands like Casio are there for. To each his own.
@@watchsymposium no it doesn’t not when there are others that offer the same at a reasonable price. You are merely paying for a name. If Rolex has a slight edge on one attribute the edge is not that double or triple justifying price hike.
Of course you're paying for the name. It's one of the most well respected brands in the world. Whether it's worth the money is a matter of opinion.
Both my watches are amazingly good time keepers, my Sea Dweller 16600 , 2005 model recently service last year gains 1 second per week or 4 seconds per month. The newer 2018 Root Beer GMT Master 2 gains 1 1/2 seconds per month. I’m either lucky or these watches are seriously amazing time keepers.
NO ...WAY
@@ΓιαννηςΚολοβος-ψ4μ yes way.
Fantástic! Congratulations!
My $399 Apple Watch is 100% accurate.
So is my $39 Casio. But both the Apple watch and the Casio will be worthless in 20 years. Heirloom quality objects vs. throwaway items.
@@watchsymposium for $39 that can last for 20 years it is the real time piece. While "heirloom quality" just another market manipulation to make as much money as they can.
@@suffies9659 I don't think you understand the difference between throwaway items, and objects built to last generations. Which would you rather inherit: a vintage Rolex watch or a 20 year-old plastic Casio?
@@watchsymposium - Well, at least you only lose $39. A $20K Rolex will devalue at least $5K in the next 5 years. The super clones are getting too good. Half of the population no longer wear watches. But for $399, the Apple watch is a monster. Who cares if it's obsolete in 5 years. It provides services that Rolex could only dream of.
@@watchsymposium - The super clone Rolex is proof that people only buy a Rolex for the name. The only way you can tell is if you remove the back and look at the machining. Or you will need a magnifier. In reality, nobody will ever get that close up anyway.