@@WesleyEvan87 Coil over suspension for my car is at least $750 new. A set of KYB struts is about 224 dollars off Rockauto. A set of Tanabe lowering springs is 170. Do the math... It's under $750. $356 under, to be more exact... Excluding shipping costs.
Facts bro!!! i run Eibach springs on my g37, i have 20x9 245/35 front an 20x10 285/30 rear no scrubbing at all, check out my ig to see how neat an tucked it is @dinobambino525
Jori Larson you fucked up by having a car payment cause why are you going to mod a whip that’s not completely yours . Anything can happen buddy especially if you have a family ON A budget .
Classic Jay risk vs reward. I have plenty of friends who mod their cars that “the bank” still owns besides 300 dollar springs isn’t gonna affect its value
Voo Doo its not yours till you pay the bank what you owe and interest on top so no brother while you may be financing the bank owns your car, if you dont have the title you dont own it period stop making excuses.
Generally speaking, coilovers are there to actually improve the handling characteristics of your car. If you're even remotely considering doing any kind of sanctioned racing, coilovers all day. But, if you don't care about how many hundredths of a second you can shave from lap times by fine tuning height, preload, etc. and just want to get rid of some wheel gap for purely aesthetic purposes, buy a nice set of name brand lowering springs. Quality springs won't drastically compromise your car's handling capabilities, and should be perfectly fine for daily use. It's a difficult thing for some people in the automotive community to wrap their minds around, but not everyone wants to build racecars. Some people just want a good looking car that sits a little closer to the ground.
Exactly...99% of guys simply want to lower the car and have ZERO intention of tracking the car. So why coilovers...just so you can say you have them? Hmmmm....no thanks!
With that being said if you have a car that's low to ground from oem factory I don't t recommend lowering springs I end up dragging cats and dead animals on the roads while everyone else goes over them, I have to change my catalytic converter every year due to it getting damages while goind every bump on the road, I have to replace my day lights and fog lights due to water getting in the when it rains alot and water puddle s form and I could go on.... Going back to stock
Latin Ace Yes, they certainly can and will, depending on a few factors. For some suspension types, the lowering springs can change the camber and, without an alignment, that extra camber means extra wear on your tires. Factory struts are built/tuned for the stock ride height. Lowering that ride height means the struts are a little more compressed than usual in all conditions which will cause premature wear. But it’s nothing major and, as long as you’re not going crazy low, you probably won’t notice too much difference in the rate things wear out.
@@jamfd3s788 lowering springs by nature stiffen up your ride. You'll be wearing tires, bushings and other components faster - all the bumps in the road will be felt by all components that much more.
I've run some mid range ($900) coilovers and wasn't pleased with them at all so I threw them on the shock dyno to see what was going on. I might get a side hustle going where I go to companies ill leave unnamed and teach them about quality control.
Lowering springs are pretty common in performance applications. Coilovers are very adjustable and offer great benefits. However, an inexpensive set of coilovers will not perform as well as a high end set of lowering springs paired with a good set of high performance struts/dampers. Not to mention, a brand new set of high end lowering springs with struts will usually cost the same or less as a low/mid tier set of coilovers. If your goal is not to simply slam your car, lowering springs are worth a good look.
I’ve been modding cars for over 15 years. My new daily is running springs with kyb agx’s because coilovers on a daily is painful when you get older. Lol
Malonezzki majority of coilovers have a linear spring rate so they’re usually over-sprung for crappy roads unless you go into the higher-end with adjustable rebound and compression. Springs usually have a progressive spring rate so they’re much more forgiving on your back.
Get Low TOO THE WINDOW TOO THE WALL I run lowering springs on my car because I drive it everyday but I still want to have that low look and ride comfort
Been running lowering springs for over half a year and it's been amazing.. I don't see why people hate it.. still rides just as well as it did on stock and the shocks are fine... So yeah. Lowering springs my dude
Coilovers are just wrong. I have spent 2500, 1700, 1300, 1k, 800, and 600...even 400 once. They all ride too stiff and dip too hard, bounce on expansion joints, make the car lean and jump, etc. Ohlins, KW, BC, D2, Megan, CX, or off brand ebay...they all ride very similar. On a track they may be ok with a calculated spring rate and adjusted damping. On the road it's just annoying and makes driving harder than it needs to be. I am going from ohlins to a lowering spring on kyb gas adjust. Unless you live where the roads are perfect and level beware. A koni, bilstein, or even stock shock/strut with a mild lowering spring is your best bet for a daily especially. I say save your money for a different car that is only for track and Sunday driving.
Worth mentioning is that if you buy lowering springs that have a really significant drop, so much so that they advertise you should use them with appropriately paired aftermarket struts/shocks, and you stick them on your factory strut/shocks anyway it will be bouncy and horrible and you won't have a good time at all. Speaking on behalf of I was 19 once
10/10 agree, We usually just tell anyone if they are considering lowering springs you might as well consider purchasing and installing new struts/and shock as they will basically be needed to get the full experience of that type of kit!
Shoot that’s a good point I’m starting to realize my struts are set up for ~250 spring rate and the lowering springs would be 400. I can imagine this would leave a poor dampness control and ruin my shocks. Thanks for the tip.
installed lowering springs from eibach on my first impreza- never had any issues, regardless of what others said, I was perfectly happy with ride height, stiffness and general performance in combination with stock dampers. Went the coilovers route on my second impreza - sure, it was BC coilovers, and I did cheap out there(in coilovers life) but all the benefits everyone talks about were gone - set them up once, and then forgot about them, but kept bottoming them out all the time and ride was way too harsh. Now my GT86 I went springs again - the dampers are really good and lowering springs allowed me to drop the height and stiffen the ride a bit, while keeping most money in my wallet - sure its not as good of a ride as friends of mine who spent nearly 2k on coils and setup, but it is the way TRD intended it to be, so I am happy there as well
I think the desired use of the car is a big piece too. I run a set of Eibach Pro Kit springs with some Koni Orange shocks on my 8th gen Si daily driver. It's great to be able to have the car look great and maintain a comfortable ride for a good price and since it's a daily, adjustability isn't a concern.
Lowering springs are perfectly fine for a daily as long as the drop isn't 2" or more. If you're going to use OEM shocks, then plan on replacing them every 2-3 years
I chose lowering springs because of price, and it's a great balance of performance and aesthetic increase, without making the ride suffer much more than stock. But get quality ones. (H&R or Eibach ect.) I run H&R super sports on my e30. Love them. I never scrape or rub, but I have a finger width or less between tire and fender 👌
I’m running h and r springs on bilstein sport shocks and it works for me seeing it is my daily family car so going to work taking kids to school then terrorizing the back roads on the weekend lowering springs was just better for my life because my last car had coilovers and it just didn’t work so well for a daily family car because nobody liked the stiff ride all the time but me
Just like he said, i love the way my Jaguar F-Type feels and handles. Springs are perfect for a nice classy drop while retaining all technology the factory suspension has
@@MJ-iq9hv if you get the LED strips, they don't break easily but they do fall off easily if you use two-way tape or silicone sealant - hard to mount them unless you have a nice flat surface under your car!
jase_llan see sounds like a fucking pain in the ass .. especially if your whip is sitting on coilovers 🧛♂️😴 .. like my si But man .. ah I’ve always wanted underglow since fast & furious days I got turbo 9th gen so it’d be sick 🤒 lol
We run lowering springs for legal reasons down here in New Zealand, because we need to get our cars certified for certain mods (adjustable suspension, spacers, turbos, engine swaps etc) and once the car is certified , we're locked into that setup otherwise we need to get it re-certified. Want wider wheels? Re-cert. Want to add a turbo? Re-cert. Want to put your factory wheels back on when you sell it, but keep your coil-overs on for the new owner? That's a re-cert. You get the picture. Avoiding the certification processes by swapping in direct fit lowering springs allows us to drive and modify our cars as we please legally. Changing what we want when we want within the confines of the law.
Hawaii is the same way. We have to get a State inspection then a RECON inspection for any modifications done to the car. Super pain in the butt because there is always a waiting list.
I live in Canada and lowering springs make sense for people who winter drive their car. It lets you lower your car without worrying about anything seizing from the salt and grime. Yes you can just clean coilovers but try doing that in -30 degrees.
I have a 17 BRZ that’s equipped with the performance pack which includes Sachs shocks....so yeah why would I get rid of perfect struts and amazing shocks? I love my TRD lowering springs. I’m gonna wear tf outta my ‘stock’ setup before I fully replace it.
When i first got my first Evo 9 i lowered it with swift springs on my Belsteins shocks. still had ride comfort and performance. It's great for starters and those on a budget. When you have enough saved up then upgrade to coilovers.
Genevo9 it’s good to see guys with cars that you look up to admitting to the struggle at some point in time lol, makes it relatable and in touch with reality
I went from coilovers to springs on my civic for a couple of reasons. 1. The setup I had for my car was the same drop a lowering spring gave, but was stiffer. I figured I can sell the coils for more than what I can buy springs for, and the car will just be way more comforable. 2. It is also way cheaper and easier. Less of a headache.
@@eard8 should have clarified... the coilovers were giving me a "rock wheels on glass road" feel while the lowering springs game me a "rubber tire on asphalt road" feeling.
Lowing spring are fine. I just install some eibach springs on my 2006 Jeep grand cherokee 5.7L hemi with kyb shocks riding on 22's. Handles much better, ride smooth, and less body-roll.
Coilovers are exactly what he said. For fine tuning your suspension. I got Tein Flex Zs because I can adjust the dampening to where I want and the ride height where I want but still keep a comfortable ride. Plus, there weren't any lowering springs that gave me the even drop I wanted.
You know why people like lowering springs? Being a car enthusiast isn't about slamming your car or stance or whatever, it's about sharing your passions. When people say you should slam it or need "lower", I say "No thanks I like it exactly the way it is".
Funny thing is that most people who install coilovers don't even know how to adjust them properly. They set ride height and leave them alone which is exactly what a lowering spring does. Coilovers are for setting ride height based on corner balancing and allowing changes to compression and rebound settings on the fly depending on road or track conditions. If people want a set it and forget it setup that is already tested to work, lowering springs are the absolute best option. **as long as they're a good brand, not eBay junk**
I remember being a broke teen back in the late 90's and cutting a piece of the coil off.... ride quality -1000. also remember those autozone kits it was like a small clamp that installed on the spring to compress it, lowering your car... even worse ride quality.
I like lowering springs because they are often more comfortable for the street when paired with a good shock. My H&R sports with bilstein b8 handles better and is more comfortable than my old coilover setup. and much cheaper. Also I'd never put lowering springs on stock shocks, no matter what the car is. You need struts/shocks that valved properly for a lowering spring, as well as ones that have a shorter shaft so you you don't ride on the bumpstops, overall still cheaper/more comfortable than coilovers.
It definitely is OK to run springs, they’re underrated, but your comment makes no sense, you could get the exact same fitment of your springs with the coil overs...that’s the whole point of them.
@@f3irty278 Sir to be completely honest your comment makes completely no sense read what people write before you go on and make a fool out of yourself the "ride" is nicer not fitment
I bought H&R lowering springs for my daily-driver to retain the softness of the factory struts...because it’s a daily-driver. Bought it brand new 8+ years ago. 102k miles and still feels great, soft but no body roll, like it should have came from the factory! ^.^
I bought h&r lowering springs for my 2014 Kia Rio hatch,could I run it also for about 100 k miles on it too,I’m afraid it’ll blowout my stock shocks/struts suspension
i have a 2017 Civic Type R. The only reason i went with lowering springs is because the OEM is really good, and lowering springs just helps me achieve the slightly lower look i want. I thought about going for Coilovers but for me to be happy about my purchase i would like to spend some more money on some coilovers and get top of line stuff, something like KW which are MUCH MORE expensive than simple spoon sports lowering springs. and i wouldn't really be using the KW coilovers to their full potential since its a daily driver.
I use springs instead of bags or coilovers for two main reasons. 1. I'm broke. Dropped my car in my driveway on good shocks/struts and firmer drag springs for less than cheap coilovers. 2. I don't like speed bumps hitting my car and if I have the ability to drop my car low enough to hit them i don't trust myself not to
just put lowering springs (H&R) on my 07 BMW e90. Been on the car for about 500 ish miles. Everyone told me to save for coilovers and that my car was gonna ride like shit. After install and letting them settle, alignment, etc, The car is great. Rides the exact same, maybe even better. I would recommend to anyone on the fence about doing it.
Been riding on my new Koni/Tein combo for the past two weeks. Tried something new (ran Tokico/H&R on everything else) within a budget and totally happy with it.
Running eibachs or tein lowering springs. If they are compatible with your stock struts you have absolutely nothing to worry about. My car looks great and I've got lots of compliments. "On coils?"
My 05 EP Civic been running lowering springs 45mm front 35mm rear. Nice look, nose down ass up. Harder springs, and stock dampers. Run great on track and daily really recommend them rather than running cheap coilovers
Some cars just don't have aftermarket coilovers. For example I'm a classic Saab guy and drives around in a somewhat modified 900 -83. There are no coilovers for these unless you decide to modify it's double wishbone/live rear axle suspension to accept coilovers from another car entirely. However there's tons of options when it comes to lowering springs and shocks. Currently I'm using a set of Lesjöfors springs along with a set of adjustable AVO shocks, which works quite well.
I had lowing springs on my VW. Bilstein stocks with B&G lowing springs. I loved it and the ride was magic. Plus the chance of the failing is very slim.
They're solely used to achieve a look. On many cars you can run them with little to no compromise outside of reduced ground clearance. However, it's important to do your research on your particular car. Some of the newer Subarus and Mazdas don't have heaps of bump travel to start with and rely more on the bump stops to keep the car from bottoming. Going 1" lower can make what was a stable car into a car that will regularly get upset by bigger bumps and dips in the freeway.
I just installed lowering springs 2 days ago on my IS300 and couldn’t be happier that I didn’t go with coilovers. Ride feels just like factory and I wasn’t trying to slam my shit anyway.
I got springs and really wish I would have got coilovers, I got the biggest drop available for my car and it still rides like a compact crossover, it's got gap for sure
I'm on Tein Springs that I got for under $200 and despite the 2 inch drop, my passengers told me the difference in ride quality is subtle. I may get more expensive suspension one day, but with these springs I really can't justify doing that anytime soon because it really won't make a difference right now. They do everything I currently need them too.
I got some TRD Lowering Springs that were made for my car right from my Toyota dealer, had them installed and they work perfectly with no issues and did not void the warranty. Since these lowering springs were actually made for my car from Toyota they were perfect. Coil-overs didn't even come to mind. Then again, I don't have a lot of time to work on my car I just need my car to work so I did not care about fine-tuning things.
Do you have, or could you do a video on what order to do things in when trying to achieve a certain fitment? wheels, tires, lowering, spacers, camber. There's so many factors to getting any desired fitment and I think beginners like myself could save some time and money with a basic guide on how to do that process and get the fitment desired. Great video as always, keep up the good work!
Hello, Definitely something we are looking at for a video, It would be super informational and would be a longer one! However we do have something planned so stay tuned!
@@FitmentIndustries Awesome, great to hear, i'm just starting the process on my car for the first time so it would be great to have it all broken down in one place!
Glad I found this video. I've been going back and forth about lowering springs or coilovers for my 2015 Lexus GS 350 F-Sport and you have now sold me on getting lowering springs. Now I just need to find a place to have them installed.
I love my setup on my 07 Eclipse Race Car. I am running KYB Shocks, H&R Springs, Eibach front and rear sway bars and bushings and a Whiteline chassis brace. Also have Megan front and rear strut bars too. All my buddies want me to swap out to coilovers but I keep telling them no. I love my setup and it works, honestly the ride comfort is better than coilovers, my opinon. I not saying my car is fast by any means but I have done a few events and I plan on doing more.
I lowered the car and I don't touch the ride height. I adjust the dampening a lot more, so adjustable shocks was necessary. H&R springs with Koni yellows are on my z3 and it's great. Perfect for what I want.
Im rocking h&r race and bilsteins sports on my e30. And its what they use for Spec E30 and Pro3. It does quite well. And the ride isnt harsh due to progressive springs. I do plan on upgrading to FA 500s
I went straight to tuned fully adjustable JIC coil overs. It handled awesome, but the ride was like driving with square wheels over bumps. Especially over freeway expansion joints since the shocks had a ton of rebound in the shocks.
I have magnetic juice. Therefore I went springs on my 8v S3. Killer looks amazing highway comfort..had coil overs back in the civic days..super pain on my back and a pain in the ass to adjust
Went with H&R Sport Springs and Koni Yellow Shocks ($900) as an alternative to the bc racing br coils that are available for my car ($1200). Feels great and will last the lifetime of the car, bc racing lasts 40-60k.
Had an Eibach pro-kit and Bilstein B8s for almost 7 years on my Genesis Coupe. Kept needing to replace the B8s. Decided to switch to coilovers and glad that I did. A Tien coilover kit; BTW
My 2000 gt has cut 2004 cobra front springs and cut rear gt springs with maximum motorsport rear adjustable lower control arms and j&m uppers, caster camber plate's and kyb adjustable shocks and rides awesome..a lil rough at sometimes but it's better than 2k dollar coilovers.
1. Affordable 2. Practical 3. Moderate stance 1-1.5” drop I ran the best of the best coilovers and fk do I hate them for daily driver vehicles. It’s best used for track, auto cross and performance race circumstances. Maybe I’m getting old. Nothing like a stance yet comfortable ride. 😂 💀
I put some h&r race springs with bilstein b8 shocks on my e46 zhp, way cheap and it rides even better than stock setup. Besides, I like a minimal but functional static setup
I think it really just depends on the individual. If you're mostly looking for a modest drop and you dont mind a slightly stiffer spring then lowering springs are gonna be a much better and way cheaper alternative. But if you're like me who enjoys messing around with your ride height and playing around with dampening then save up get some decent coils. Another thing, cheap coils can also UNDERperform vs. your stock suspension. While spending good money on quality springs wont break your wallet and will improve your cars performance (Swift, eibach, tein, etc.)
Coilovers are expensive and for some cars, it reduces the space for wheels and tires so you can't run as wide of wheels and tires. Lowering springs are FINE.
So far i can tell is those springs were never outdated! Been there since the dark ages, eventhou till today's kids nowadays still using em.. Its affordable and as long you're doing normal stance you will just be fine.
Running RCE yellow springs and yes they lower your car nicely, but the OEM shocks don’t support them well so it feels like it’s bottoming out when ever you hit potholes.
If you plan doing some racing, like SCCA time trials events/auto cross events . You might be put into different classes based off your suspension mods.
I think a big topic you missed in your video is that you cant buy coilovers for certain cars. The grand am is a great example. At one point in time they were made but not any more. Now there is only one grand am in the world that has coilovers on it(and it's in wisconsin) I'm actually running canuck 2 inch drop lowering springs on my grand am rn. Ride is slightly stiffer but still a comfortable ride and the body roll is pretty much gone!
I run them because my car comes with nice dual flow struts from the factory and therefore don't need to be replaced... the springs were nice too, I just wanted to drop the car an inch.
Because 90% of people will never run their car hard enough to justify coilovers. Unless you track the car, or have an extremely specific ride height you’re going for, springs are fine!
I’ve always heard this but I’m not sure if it’s true anymore or just an old school myth: if you put lowering springs on stock struts, then your struts will blow relatively soon (2 or less years)
@@p.l.fanning3447 Corksport lowering springs. They make mazda parts and a couple focus st parts. 2.25 drop in front, 1.75 in rear. and i put them on when i bought the car at 50k miles.
had eibach 3/4" springs on my z32, they worked very well and brought the car down to where i wanted it. I have tein coilovers on my rx7 and am not a fan, will be switching to ohlins soon.
I run Eibach Sportline with Koni Sport adjustable shock/struts. Low enough and handles amazing, and is still comfortable for daily driving. Coilovers would have been cheaper
Y'all should talk about performance parts. pretty sure 90% of your videos are wheels tires and suspension. I know thats what yall sell, but new topics might help
Topic is apropos as I'm looking at getting lowering springs over coilovers. Just want some drop until I decide how committed I am to the car overall. Thanks!
If you ever have questions on suspension kits feel free to email our team sometime, Shop@fitmentindustries.com and we can certainly help you with any thing you might be un sure of!
Lowering springs have more stroke range for more comfort and better performance on real imperfect roads ,Another reason is modern day cars are starting to look lower from the factory so 3 inch drops no longer necessary. My reasons
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What is your go-to brand for lowering springs? We might just have a set for you.
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@@Loppier - Hell yeah, I was just about to say the exact same thing.
cause they are damn cheap, that´s the only reason for me^^
For real, not down to spend $900-$2000 coilovers for my $2000 Civic
I feel you
I simply put 160€ springs in my 500€ civic ^^
Lowing spring and get a set of shocks, the price can be similar, $700-$1000. That's the same range as a decent set of coilovers.
@@WesleyEvan87 or buy springs for 2 or 300 and use stock struts
@@WesleyEvan87 Coil over suspension for my car is at least $750 new. A set of KYB struts is about 224 dollars off Rockauto. A set of Tanabe lowering springs is 170. Do the math... It's under $750. $356 under, to be more exact... Excluding shipping costs.
Lowering springs are fine. Especially if it's actual springs from a place like Eibach.
And if using it on a quality shock like B8 Bilsteins. A proper set of Bilsteins > cheap coils any day.
What are your thoughts on Tein lowering springs? Thinking about getting those
@@Bay_RCF it's very good dude not that bumpy for daily driving it. I'd recommend it.
Facts bro!!! i run Eibach springs on my g37, i have 20x9 245/35 front an 20x10 285/30 rear no scrubbing at all, check out my ig to see how neat an tucked it is @dinobambino525
@@TheTruth525 clean build brotha! I like it!
I buy lowering springs because its not a race car 😂
I chose lowering springs cause making car payments while modding is not easy with a family. Keep it under budget.
Jori Larson you fucked up by having a car payment cause why are you going to mod a whip that’s not completely yours . Anything can happen buddy especially if you have a family ON A budget .
Classic Jay risk vs reward. I have plenty of friends who mod their cars that “the bank” still owns besides 300 dollar springs isn’t gonna affect its value
@@classicjay1880 lease car is not yours, but finance car is yours.
Voo Doo its not yours till you pay the bank what you owe and interest on top so no brother while you may be financing the bank owns your car, if you dont have the title you dont own it period stop making excuses.
Prep's Casket you must finance your car lol
Generally speaking, coilovers are there to actually improve the handling characteristics of your car. If you're even remotely considering doing any kind of sanctioned racing, coilovers all day.
But, if you don't care about how many hundredths of a second you can shave from lap times by fine tuning height, preload, etc. and just want to get rid of some wheel gap for purely aesthetic purposes, buy a nice set of name brand lowering springs. Quality springs won't drastically compromise your car's handling capabilities, and should be perfectly fine for daily use.
It's a difficult thing for some people in the automotive community to wrap their minds around, but not everyone wants to build racecars. Some people just want a good looking car that sits a little closer to the ground.
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Exactly...99% of guys simply want to lower the car and have ZERO intention of tracking the car. So why coilovers...just so you can say you have them? Hmmmm....no thanks!
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This. Most people who have coil overs don’t even track their car seriously. They could have saved some money and got some good springs.
With that being said if you have a car that's low to ground from oem factory I don't t recommend lowering springs I end up dragging cats and dead animals on the roads while everyone else goes over them, I have to change my catalytic converter every year due to it getting damages while goind every bump on the road, I have to replace my day lights and fog lights due to water getting in the when it rains alot and water puddle s form and I could go on.... Going back to stock
Thank you so much for that comment
I am old school. Love lowering springs and use them in all my cars. Teins, eibach and H&R. Stock ride quality on a budget.
I'm old school too my friend every purchase gets the springs
Do lowering spring cause premature wear of shocks and tires?
Latin Ace Yes, they certainly can and will, depending on a few factors.
For some suspension types, the lowering springs can change the camber and, without an alignment, that extra camber means extra wear on your tires.
Factory struts are built/tuned for the stock ride height. Lowering that ride height means the struts are a little more compressed than usual in all conditions which will cause premature wear.
But it’s nothing major and, as long as you’re not going crazy low, you probably won’t notice too much difference in the rate things wear out.
@@cozymonk so if I install lowering springs but also get an alignment right after should that prevent any accelerated wear?
@@jamfd3s788 lowering springs by nature stiffen up your ride. You'll be wearing tires, bushings and other components faster - all the bumps in the road will be felt by all components that much more.
I use lowering springs because they are a cheaper alternative to bags/coilover’s.
Air ride is so unreliable shit always goes wrong with air ride.
Bradley Prater It’s 2019, no one cares about grammar anymore😂
I'd take expensive springs over cheap coilovers anyday
Toby Hopkins best comment here 👍
I've run some mid range ($900) coilovers and wasn't pleased with them at all so I threw them on the shock dyno to see what was going on. I might get a side hustle going where I go to companies ill leave unnamed and teach them about quality control.
Lowering springs are pretty common in performance applications. Coilovers are very adjustable and offer great benefits. However, an inexpensive set of coilovers will not perform as well as a high end set of lowering springs paired with a good set of high performance struts/dampers. Not to mention, a brand new set of high end lowering springs with struts will usually cost the same or less as a low/mid tier set of coilovers. If your goal is not to simply slam your car, lowering springs are worth a good look.
I’ve been modding cars for over 15 years. My new daily is running springs with kyb agx’s because coilovers on a daily is painful when you get older. Lol
Why?
Malonezzki majority of coilovers have a linear spring rate so they’re usually over-sprung for crappy roads unless you go into the higher-end with adjustable rebound and compression. Springs usually have a progressive spring rate so they’re much more forgiving on your back.
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I run lowering springs on my car because I drive it everyday but I still want to have that low look and ride comfort
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Swift springs are eating up pot holes better than OEM for 300 bucks and Im not slammed or popping a wheelie on the 3.7 coupe
Been running lowering springs for over half a year and it's been amazing.. I don't see why people hate it.. still rides just as well as it did on stock and the shocks are fine... So yeah. Lowering springs my dude
Coilovers are just wrong. I have spent 2500, 1700, 1300, 1k, 800, and 600...even 400 once. They all ride too stiff and dip too hard, bounce on expansion joints, make the car lean and jump, etc. Ohlins, KW, BC, D2, Megan, CX, or off brand ebay...they all ride very similar. On a track they may be ok with a calculated spring rate and adjusted damping. On the road it's just annoying and makes driving harder than it needs to be. I am going from ohlins to a lowering spring on kyb gas adjust. Unless you live where the roads are perfect and level beware. A koni, bilstein, or even stock shock/strut with a mild lowering spring is your best bet for a daily especially. I say save your money for a different car that is only for track and Sunday driving.
Watch a video about comprehension dampening and rebound and spring preload.
Worth mentioning is that if you buy lowering springs that have a really significant drop, so much so that they advertise you should use them with appropriately paired aftermarket struts/shocks, and you stick them on your factory strut/shocks anyway it will be bouncy and horrible and you won't have a good time at all. Speaking on behalf of I was 19 once
10/10 agree, We usually just tell anyone if they are considering lowering springs you might as well consider purchasing and installing new struts/and shock as they will basically be needed to get the full experience of that type of kit!
Shoot that’s a good point I’m starting to realize my struts are set up for ~250 spring rate and the lowering springs would be 400. I can imagine this would leave a poor dampness control and ruin my shocks. Thanks for the tip.
installed lowering springs from eibach on my first impreza- never had any issues, regardless of what others said, I was perfectly happy with ride height, stiffness and general performance in combination with stock dampers. Went the coilovers route on my second impreza - sure, it was BC coilovers, and I did cheap out there(in coilovers life) but all the benefits everyone talks about were gone - set them up once, and then forgot about them, but kept bottoming them out all the time and ride was way too harsh. Now my GT86 I went springs again - the dampers are really good and lowering springs allowed me to drop the height and stiffen the ride a bit, while keeping most money in my wallet - sure its not as good of a ride as friends of mine who spent nearly 2k on coils and setup, but it is the way TRD intended it to be, so I am happy there as well
I think the desired use of the car is a big piece too. I run a set of Eibach Pro Kit springs with some Koni Orange shocks on my 8th gen Si daily driver. It's great to be able to have the car look great and maintain a comfortable ride for a good price and since it's a daily, adjustability isn't a concern.
Lowering springs are perfectly fine for a daily as long as the drop isn't 2" or more. If you're going to use OEM shocks, then plan on replacing them every 2-3 years
I chose lowering springs because of price, and it's a great balance of performance and aesthetic increase, without making the ride suffer much more than stock. But get quality ones. (H&R or Eibach ect.) I run H&R super sports on my e30. Love them. I never scrape or rub, but I have a finger width or less between tire and fender 👌
I’m running h and r springs on bilstein sport shocks and it works for me seeing it is my daily family car so going to work taking kids to school then terrorizing the back roads on the weekend lowering springs was just better for my life because my last car had coilovers and it just didn’t work so well for a daily family car because nobody liked the stiff ride all the time but me
Just like he said, i love the way my Jaguar F-Type feels and handles. Springs are perfect for a nice classy drop while retaining all technology the factory suspension has
I'm waiting for people to stop hating under glow.
Just fit it anyway, it can stay in hiding until you need it!
Under glow is sick ... I just heard it breaks easily
@@MJ-iq9hv if you get the LED strips, they don't break easily but they do fall off easily if you use two-way tape or silicone sealant - hard to mount them unless you have a nice flat surface under your car!
jase_llan see sounds like a fucking pain in the ass .. especially if your whip is sitting on coilovers 🧛♂️😴 .. like my si
But man .. ah I’ve always wanted underglow since fast & furious days
I got turbo 9th gen so it’d be sick 🤒 lol
@@jase_llan about to go to 5 below and get me led strips lmao 😂
We run lowering springs for legal reasons down here in New Zealand, because we need to get our cars certified for certain mods (adjustable suspension, spacers, turbos, engine swaps etc) and once the car is certified , we're locked into that setup otherwise we need to get it re-certified. Want wider wheels? Re-cert. Want to add a turbo? Re-cert. Want to put your factory wheels back on when you sell it, but keep your coil-overs on for the new owner? That's a re-cert. You get the picture.
Avoiding the certification processes by swapping in direct fit lowering springs allows us to drive and modify our cars as we please legally. Changing what we want when we want within the confines of the law.
Hawaii is the same way. We have to get a State inspection then a RECON inspection for any modifications done to the car. Super pain in the butt because there is always a waiting list.
I live in Canada and lowering springs make sense for people who winter drive their car. It lets you lower your car without worrying about anything seizing from the salt and grime. Yes you can just clean coilovers but try doing that in -30 degrees.
Very true 😂
I have a 17 BRZ that’s equipped with the performance pack which includes Sachs shocks....so yeah why would I get rid of perfect struts and amazing shocks? I love my TRD lowering springs. I’m gonna wear tf outta my ‘stock’ setup before I fully replace it.
Good thinking
If you don't mind, I've been thinking about buying a BRZ or Gt86, what made you buy a BRZ and how do you like it?
Jim van der Heijden I absolutely love it. One of the Best starter RWD layouts. Just do your research when buying
@@kilbrn0666 Alright, thank you so much
Jim van der Heijden no problem, HMU on Instagram if you have any other questions. Just search ‘killasubie’ and I should pop up
When i first got my first Evo 9 i lowered it with swift springs on my Belsteins shocks. still had ride comfort and performance. It's great for starters and those on a budget. When you have enough saved up then upgrade to coilovers.
Genevo9 it’s good to see guys with cars that you look up to admitting to the struggle at some point in time lol, makes it relatable and in touch with reality
I went from coilovers to springs on my civic for a couple of reasons.
1. The setup I had for my car was the same drop a lowering spring gave, but was stiffer. I figured I can sell the coils for more than what I can buy springs for, and the car will just be way more comforable.
2. It is also way cheaper and easier. Less of a headache.
So you prefer to not have a stiff suspension?
@@eard8 should have clarified... the coilovers were giving me a "rock wheels on glass road" feel while the lowering springs game me a "rubber tire on asphalt road" feeling.
@@drewjehoich3100 This is an interesting metaphor.
I use lowering springs because coilovers make my suspension super stiff and it feels better on my car
Lowing spring are fine. I just install some eibach springs on my 2006 Jeep grand cherokee 5.7L hemi with kyb shocks riding on 22's. Handles much better, ride smooth, and less body-roll.
Coilovers are exactly what he said. For fine tuning your suspension. I got Tein Flex Zs because I can adjust the dampening to where I want and the ride height where I want but still keep a comfortable ride. Plus, there weren't any lowering springs that gave me the even drop I wanted.
You know why people like lowering springs? Being a car enthusiast isn't about slamming your car or stance or whatever, it's about sharing your passions. When people say you should slam it or need "lower", I say "No thanks I like it exactly the way it is".
Funny thing is that most people who install coilovers don't even know how to adjust them properly. They set ride height and leave them alone which is exactly what a lowering spring does. Coilovers are for setting ride height based on corner balancing and allowing changes to compression and rebound settings on the fly depending on road or track conditions. If people want a set it and forget it setup that is already tested to work, lowering springs are the absolute best option. **as long as they're a good brand, not eBay junk**
I remember being a broke teen back in the late 90's and cutting a piece of the coil off.... ride quality -1000. also remember those autozone kits it was like a small clamp that installed on the spring to compress it, lowering your car... even worse ride quality.
I like lowering springs because they are often more comfortable for the street when paired with a good shock. My H&R sports with bilstein b8 handles better and is more comfortable than my old coilover setup. and much cheaper.
Also I'd never put lowering springs on stock shocks, no matter what the car is. You need struts/shocks that valved properly for a lowering spring, as well as ones that have a shorter shaft so you you don't ride on the bumpstops, overall still cheaper/more comfortable than coilovers.
Great comment, I feel like people should reference this when deciding coils vs lowering springs!
It is definitely ok i feel that my lexus is350 on RSR Superdowns rides nicer than on coilovers
did you have coils then swap them for springs?
It definitely is OK to run springs, they’re underrated, but your comment makes no sense, you could get the exact same fitment of your springs with the coil overs...that’s the whole point of them.
@@Whitt09 yes
@@f3irty278 Sir to be completely honest your comment makes completely no sense read what people write before you go on and make a fool out of yourself the "ride" is nicer not fitment
Shout out to your IS350. I love that 2GR-FSE torquey 6
I bought H&R lowering springs for my daily-driver to retain the softness of the factory struts...because it’s a daily-driver. Bought it brand new 8+ years ago. 102k miles and still feels great, soft but no body roll, like it should have came from the factory! ^.^
I bought h&r lowering springs for my 2014 Kia Rio hatch,could I run it also for about 100 k miles on it too,I’m afraid it’ll blowout my stock shocks/struts suspension
i have a 2017 Civic Type R. The only reason i went with lowering springs is because the OEM is really good, and lowering springs just helps me achieve the slightly lower look i want. I thought about going for Coilovers but for me to be happy about my purchase i would like to spend some more money on some coilovers and get top of line stuff, something like KW which are MUCH MORE expensive than simple spoon sports lowering springs. and i wouldn't really be using the KW coilovers to their full potential since its a daily driver.
I use springs instead of bags or coilovers for two main reasons. 1. I'm broke. Dropped my car in my driveway on good shocks/struts and firmer drag springs for less than cheap coilovers. 2. I don't like speed bumps hitting my car and if I have the ability to drop my car low enough to hit them i don't trust myself not to
just put lowering springs (H&R) on my 07 BMW e90. Been on the car for about 500 ish miles. Everyone told me to save for coilovers and that my car was gonna ride like shit. After install and letting them settle, alignment, etc, The car is great. Rides the exact same, maybe even better. I would recommend to anyone on the fence about doing it.
i should add i was lazy and kept stock shocks. Would probably be even better if I changed them, but not a necessity
Thanks for the input tho, Glad to hear that the lowering springs are working for you!
Im happy with my tein lowering spring on my 2017 corolla. pay 120 bucks for the springs and got them installed :)
Been riding on my new Koni/Tein combo for the past two weeks. Tried something new (ran Tokico/H&R on everything else) within a budget and totally happy with it.
I'm going back to springs from coils because the city I daily drive in has shit roads and I'm on like my 3rd pair of axles 😂
Running eibachs or tein lowering springs. If they are compatible with your stock struts you have absolutely nothing to worry about. My car looks great and I've got lots of compliments. "On coils?"
My 05 EP Civic been running lowering springs 45mm front 35mm rear. Nice look, nose down ass up. Harder springs, and stock dampers. Run great on track and daily really recommend them rather than running cheap coilovers
Some cars just don't have aftermarket coilovers. For example I'm a classic Saab guy and drives around in a somewhat modified 900 -83. There are no coilovers for these unless you decide to modify it's double wishbone/live rear axle suspension to accept coilovers from another car entirely. However there's tons of options when it comes to lowering springs and shocks. Currently I'm using a set of Lesjöfors springs along with a set of adjustable AVO shocks, which works quite well.
My diesel tech teacher who is a master mechanic runs H&R lowering springs on his Evo, I think he’d know if it’s ok or not
I got swift springs on my IPL 🤷🏻♂️. Still love it and I’m at 35k miles but I wouldn’t mind coilovers either, even if they’re for poor people
Lol the poor people reference.
I had lowing springs on my VW. Bilstein stocks with B&G lowing springs. I loved it and the ride was magic. Plus the chance of the failing is very slim.
I’m a owner of Eibach Pro Kit Springs on a 2018 GTI.. installed them when the car was a month old. I love my look
Nice!!! What kind of wheels and tries are you running!?
Fitment Industries I have stock wheels and tires (18x7.5in, Pirelli Cinturaro All Seasons). Once I’m ready to upgrade, I’ll be sure to shop your site
They're solely used to achieve a look. On many cars you can run them with little to no compromise outside of reduced ground clearance. However, it's important to do your research on your particular car. Some of the newer Subarus and Mazdas don't have heaps of bump travel to start with and rely more on the bump stops to keep the car from bottoming. Going 1" lower can make what was a stable car into a car that will regularly get upset by bigger bumps and dips in the freeway.
I just installed lowering springs 2 days ago on my IS300 and couldn’t be happier that I didn’t go with coilovers. Ride feels just like factory and I wasn’t trying to slam my shit anyway.
I had tein lowering springs for 2-3 years. It made it lower and ride good. Pros: cheap, ride good Cons: not low enough
I feel like I have heard that quite a few times!
I got springs and really wish I would have got coilovers, I got the biggest drop available for my car and it still rides like a compact crossover, it's got gap for sure
I'm on Tein Springs that I got for under $200 and despite the 2 inch drop, my passengers told me the difference in ride quality is subtle. I may get more expensive suspension one day, but with these springs I really can't justify doing that anytime soon because it really won't make a difference right now. They do everything I currently need them too.
Well when you are ready to upgrade we got you covered!
I run on TRD springs due to the streets where I live plus I still have warranty on my car.
I got some TRD Lowering Springs that were made for my car right from my Toyota dealer, had them installed and they work perfectly with no issues and did not void the warranty. Since these lowering springs were actually made for my car from Toyota they were perfect. Coil-overs didn't even come to mind. Then again, I don't have a lot of time to work on my car I just need my car to work so I did not care about fine-tuning things.
Yeah I just changed to Koni springs on my s2000 and it’s AMAZING 😉
Do you have, or could you do a video on what order to do things in when trying to achieve a certain fitment? wheels, tires, lowering, spacers, camber. There's so many factors to getting any desired fitment and I think beginners like myself could save some time and money with a basic guide on how to do that process and get the fitment desired.
Great video as always, keep up the good work!
Hello, Definitely something we are looking at for a video, It would be super informational and would be a longer one! However we do have something planned so stay tuned!
@@FitmentIndustries Awesome, great to hear, i'm just starting the process on my car for the first time so it would be great to have it all broken down in one place!
Please just do a whole strong Minnesota accent episode please. I love the way you guys talk! Freaking awesome. Let it loose my friend!
Glad I found this video. I've been going back and forth about lowering springs or coilovers for my 2015 Lexus GS 350 F-Sport and you have now sold me on getting lowering springs. Now I just need to find a place to have them installed.
I love my setup on my 07 Eclipse Race Car. I am running KYB Shocks, H&R Springs, Eibach front and rear sway bars and bushings and a Whiteline chassis brace. Also have Megan front and rear strut bars too. All my buddies want me to swap out to coilovers but I keep telling them no. I love my setup and it works, honestly the ride comfort is better than coilovers, my opinon. I not saying my car is fast by any means but I have done a few events and I plan on doing more.
I lowered the car and I don't touch the ride height. I adjust the dampening a lot more, so adjustable shocks was necessary. H&R springs with Koni yellows are on my z3 and it's great. Perfect for what I want.
Im rocking h&r race and bilsteins sports on my e30. And its what they use for Spec E30 and Pro3. It does quite well. And the ride isnt harsh due to progressive springs. I do plan on upgrading to FA 500s
I went straight to tuned fully adjustable JIC coil overs. It handled awesome, but the ride was like driving with square wheels over bumps. Especially over freeway expansion joints since the shocks had a ton of rebound in the shocks.
Lowering springs are a nice option and alex is a lowkey hot boi😂
Martin Martinez lmao 😂😂cuhh
Low key??
If you're not racing a car and want to sit slightly lower no reason for not going lowering springs
I have magnetic juice. Therefore I went springs on my 8v S3. Killer looks amazing highway comfort..had coil overs back in the civic days..super pain on my back and a pain in the ass to adjust
I have a 2017 s3 thinking about putting HR springs on do I have to get struts and other things or just the springs
'Cuz dey CHEAP!
The springs, not the people.
Well... maybe sometimes the people are too.
Are they actually like cheep like under 100
@@gsjourney3054 I bought a pair of h&R springs new for 250+tax for my wrx. held up fine for 2 years so far
Went with H&R Sport Springs and Koni Yellow Shocks ($900) as an alternative to the bc racing br coils that are available for my car ($1200). Feels great and will last the lifetime of the car, bc racing lasts 40-60k.
Alex: "I'm not good at magic"
Yes you are, somehow you can not say 'at the end of the day'
I still keep my H&R lowering springs with B8 Bilstein when l have to service my coil overs.
Saved myself 800 dollars by using eibach lowering springs and I’m not disappointed at all. Ride quality is still excellent with a nice lowered look
Had an Eibach pro-kit and Bilstein B8s for almost 7 years on my Genesis Coupe. Kept needing to replace the B8s. Decided to switch to coilovers and glad that I did. A Tien coilover kit; BTW
How many times did you replace the b8s? I have a 2015 gen coupe...was thinking about just doing springs with stock shocks.
@@-don6496 3 times !!!! Done with that Coilovers is the way to go
My 2000 gt has cut 2004 cobra front springs and cut rear gt springs with maximum motorsport rear adjustable lower control arms and j&m uppers, caster camber plate's and kyb adjustable shocks and rides awesome..a lil rough at sometimes but it's better than 2k dollar coilovers.
1. Affordable
2. Practical
3. Moderate stance 1-1.5” drop
I ran the best of the best coilovers and fk do I hate them for daily driver vehicles. It’s best used for track, auto cross and performance race circumstances.
Maybe I’m getting old. Nothing like a stance yet comfortable ride. 😂 💀
I put some h&r race springs with bilstein b8 shocks on my e46 zhp, way cheap and it rides even better than stock setup. Besides, I like a minimal but functional static setup
I think it really just depends on the individual. If you're mostly looking for a modest drop and you dont mind a slightly stiffer spring then lowering springs are gonna be a much better and way cheaper alternative. But if you're like me who enjoys messing around with your ride height and playing around with dampening then save up get some decent coils. Another thing, cheap coils can also UNDERperform vs. your stock suspension. While spending good money on quality springs wont break your wallet and will improve your cars performance (Swift, eibach, tein, etc.)
Coilovers are expensive and for some cars, it reduces the space for wheels and tires so you can't run as wide of wheels and tires. Lowering springs are FINE.
So far i can tell is those springs were never outdated! Been there since the dark ages, eventhou till today's kids nowadays still using em..
Its affordable and as long you're doing normal stance you will just be fine.
Running RCE yellow springs and yes they lower your car nicely, but the OEM shocks don’t support them well so it feels like it’s bottoming out when ever you hit potholes.
If you plan doing some racing, like SCCA time trials events/auto cross events . You might be put into different classes based off your suspension mods.
Thanks for tellin us
Kyb agx and eibach pro line on eg8 sedan rides great.
I think a big topic you missed in your video is that you cant buy coilovers for certain cars. The grand am is a great example. At one point in time they were made but not any more. Now there is only one grand am in the world that has coilovers on it(and it's in wisconsin) I'm actually running canuck 2 inch drop lowering springs on my grand am rn. Ride is slightly stiffer but still a comfortable ride and the body roll is pretty much gone!
In nz coilovers have to be certified after fitting where lowering springs don't.
I didn't get coilovers because I wanted to retain the EDC in my M3.
Do I regret it? I do NOT.
Did u have to reprogram your EDC after spring installation?
I got Lowering springs simply because i daily drive my wrx and comfort is a factor .I get the added handling improvement and the lowered look
I run them because my car comes with nice dual flow struts from the factory and therefore don't need to be replaced... the springs were nice too, I just wanted to drop the car an inch.
Because 90% of people will never run their car hard enough to justify coilovers. Unless you track the car, or have an extremely specific ride height you’re going for, springs are fine!
Most buyers of lowering springs do so for looks. Track driving will almost always result in slower times when lowering springs had been installed.
They can also be more comfy ride, coilovers usually have damn high spring rates and are generally quite harsh.. for a daily
I’ve always heard this but I’m not sure if it’s true anymore or just an old school myth: if you put lowering springs on stock struts, then your struts will blow relatively soon (2 or less years)
I T i ran lowering springs with stock struts on my car at 50k. They lasted till 120k lol
@@TRU2Sk9ng1992 What lowering springs did you use?
@@p.l.fanning3447 Corksport lowering springs. They make mazda parts and a couple focus st parts. 2.25 drop in front, 1.75 in rear. and i put them on when i bought the car at 50k miles.
If you do run lowering springs make sure to run aftermarket struts. Lowering springs can potentially ruin stock struts.
Yep! I put all new stock struts and 30mm lowering springs in my car January 2017, struts were all toast by mid 2019.
had eibach 3/4" springs on my z32, they worked very well and brought the car down to where i wanted it. I have tein coilovers on my rx7 and am not a fan, will be switching to ohlins soon.
I run Eibach Sportline with Koni Sport adjustable shock/struts. Low enough and handles amazing, and is still comfortable for daily driving. Coilovers would have been cheaper
My 2005 Rx8 GT - Coil Over (Megan coils)
2001 W215 CL600 (Air matic lowering links)
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Y'all should talk about performance parts. pretty sure 90% of your videos are wheels tires and suspension. I know thats what yall sell, but new topics might help
Nailed it.
#1 Money.
#2 OEM adjustable damping (which I pay for every month).
Topic is apropos as I'm looking at getting lowering springs over coilovers. Just want some drop until I decide how committed I am to the car overall. Thanks!
If you ever have questions on suspension kits feel free to email our team sometime, Shop@fitmentindustries.com and we can certainly help you with any thing you might be un sure of!
Lowering springs have more stroke range for more comfort and better performance on real imperfect roads ,Another reason is modern day cars are starting to look lower from the factory so 3 inch drops no longer necessary.
My reasons
Because I want my daily to look clean but still keep the comfortable ride.