Spiritual Abuse in YWAM Pt. 2: "Elaboration"
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- Where did it all go wrong? Let's talk about that.
I've been accused of being too vague with my first video. There's a reason for that. If I tried to address everything... we'd be here a while. But I will try to elaborate and share more of my beliefs and even tell some stories for context.
Part 3-
• Spiritual Abuse in YWA...
Thought Reform and YWAM
culteducation....
Dr. Robert J. Lifton's 8 criteria for THOUGHT REFORM (brainwashing/mind control)-
www.csj.org/stu...
Cultic Studies Journal-
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Spiritual Abuse Profile PDF
www.watchman.o...
The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse interview with authors-
• The Subtle Power of Sp...
THANK YOU FOR THIS ABBY!!!! you help me feel like I am not alone in the trauma I faced from being involved with YWAM.
Thank you for your courage to expose the darkness to the light!
I agree about the openness and brokenness thing. It shouldn't be something done in public, or before the whole school. Nor should pressure be put on anyone to participate in it.
EVERYDAY in Ministry we would pray and “hear” from God about what we would preach about to a specific congregation and who would speak. EVERYONE would get different answers. And I remember changing my answer based upon other people’s answer. I knew it was pointless. I felt like I had to comply to so many emotional spiritual things when the word of God was right in front of us. (Mind you, the Bible is the root essence of our faith, but we’d rather “hear from God”) I’m so tired and confused so thank you for providing clarity for what actually happened on my DTS outreach. I wasn’t abused by a specific leader, but I was a victim of YWAM’s false doctrine and I bought into it for a bit. But the whole time I knew innately something was off! Just wow.
Im with you in this and I salute you on this opening. you had 6 months I had like 8 years of this abuse. In 1982 I could not research YWAM on the internet, I went by my church and I went to New Jersey. You have to understand if someone has not been in it then you cannot even try to understand this. You need to be in it to understand and this is absolutly. I had all the same experiences. I'm still in this mess. I have the PTSD and flash backs. Its brain washing. and its still happening, Just wondering have you heard of a YWAM farm? or was this the only one that I went to.Im still worried who hears all this and what could happen as I was so afraid to open up. I am a singer song writer puppet maker and puppeteer. I give the puppets to therapist' s for others. I could tell you stuff and im sure you would get it.I went through school of evangilisim and got thrown out.what a mess I was in.like I said a bunch of yonger people ruling your life when they never should be there.I am so glad you opened up because this is my story as well and God is no longer what he was when i was younger as they stripped me of this,ty you go girl :)
I did my DTS in London England October 2014- March 2015 but stayed until May 2015. I have a lot of resentment toward it still. When I told the base leader I was leaving to go home, she told me that I was not strong enough and that I needed to stay in order to be “fixed.” There’s a lot more that happened, but that’s a pretty big one. People have good experiences and that’s not wrong, but people also have bad experiences. Both happen. But it does have a lot of spiritual abuse and TONS of manipulation which can also be seen within the evangelical church through musical worship and discipleship
I was in the London DTS before you, so I totally understand. I’ve honestly lost my faith in part because of my experience there, and I know one of the other girls in my group who stayed after is in the same boat ❤️
Oh I did mine there and experienced spiritual abuse myself. I have since become Reformed because teaching at YWAM is a train wreck.
you helped me in my decision not to go. thank you
Y wam is a dangerous group to be careful of. Personal experience behind this statement
Touch not the Lord's anointed refers to people harming innocent sheep like you! Butcherous spiritual leaders erroneously get people to think that they are the "anointed" referred to in the verse, but that is lie! You go boldly with the Holy Spirit, do what He tells you to do, and WOE to those that attempt to stand in your way because they can guide better than the Holy Spirit can! Thank you again Abby.
That's crazy about using the Saul/David comparison. Total eisegeses.
Great share in spiritual abuse. I'm watching from Papua New Guinea 👍
Thank you for sharing your story!! I’m so sorry for all that you have been through! Someone from our church has just left this month to go YWAM in Hawaii. I don’t know if you have heard of it but there is a documentary that is so helpful called American Gospel! It shows the different heresies that are so common in some churches and organizations.!I was very deceived and have had to relearn some things as well! I will be praying for you and your recovery from this spiritual abuse🙏
Last thing she needs is the documentary American Gospel. It was produced by Calvinists. They teach a false gospel and are a cult also.
Hi Abby, In my opinion, you were not too vague in your first video. I just had the sense that you were being as loving and sensitive and courteous as you possibly could. I'm signing off at the moment to go to bed, but I'll resume viewing this session tomorrow. Thanks again for your didlgent and courageous testimony. Good going! Ted Schempp, Nashville
Thank you for your courage to come forward and share this . This confusion and disorder was not the Holy Spirit and you were totally in the right to speak up! I can sadly relate as I was in a spiritually abusive program called Masters Commission (very similar to ywam structure). A mormon missionary inspired program, isegesis, pararchurch ministry which lacked accountability and (my chapter) was heavy influenced by N.A.R. teachings. It was like a cult 😢. You are not alone!!!
I am so sorry to hear the things you've experienced with this organization Abby. It breaks my heart to hear these things. Leadership is certainly one thing that is not easy to be done and there should be grace given, but leadership should always be open to change and to accountability. I pray that you and others who may have experienced the same experiences may find wholeness and healing from the LORD, He is good even in the situations that aren't. May God Bless You Abby.
Abby I love you sister, thank you for warning people.
I had tramatic experiences in YWAM back in 1979. I watched your first video and felt so sorry for what you endured because I'm aware of the damage and pain this kind of abuse causes.
Thank you for making your story public. Know that you are believed. I myself experienced many of the issues you brought up second-hand through a DTS graduate that I dated (and came close to marrying....thank you, YWAM, for your part in destroying that opportunity). There certainly is SO much brain-washing going on...and it's so easy to get caught up in the wonder of it all. Yet beneath it all, it is just a form of control. It is all very sinister. Thank you, again, for sharing. I hope you are able to come out the other side of this trauma stronger. Much love.
Praise The Lord for the discernment that he gave you! Stay strong in The Lord sister! Blessings in Christ. x
Unfortunately, there is no way to truly satisfy these folks. First, they will accuse you of having no proof. Then, you share your story, and they claim it's only you. After that, they go after your character. It's always attack, discredit, attack, discredit..... they never really let up. It's just that after you say your piece, you leave your testimony behind for folks to find, and you move on with your life. In so doing, you set yourself on the path of healing while giving them limited to no additional fodder to try to discredit your testimony. ; )
Been reprogramming since 2006 but didn't know how to go about it and was dealing with ramifications from those many years but still on the journey and glad that God is restoring me piece by piece back to where I was before I entered
I've been reprogramming since 1992...
@@debradurrant6153 what tools are you finding to be helpful?
Hey there! I really appreciate your honesty. Thank you for sharing your experience. I am not sure if you are familiar with Jamie Lee Finch, but she wrote a book called You Are Your Own about her experience coming out of an Evangelical Cult. You also might find the Liturgist Podcast community helpful. It has been a very healing community for me coming out of a similar (less intense) cult-like experience.
Grew up in a family traveling the world as YWAM missionaries. You hit the nail on the head on this one! I saw the writing on the wall about continuing my journey with YWAM at an early age and was the only one in my family not to go on a DTS as a young adult. I've seen so many ppl from my family, and extended spiritual family leave YWAM feeling so disenfranchised, displaced, and depressed. Definitely special ppl with great hearts and giftings for serving and leading in the organization and I agree with the core values of YWAM. The theme I've experienced and seen happen many times is leaders having enough authority and trust over ppl when they are in such vulnerable positions emotionally. Take care and sister!
I did a Crossroads DTS many years ago. we were very fortunate to have good and mature leadership. doctrinally everything was okay, but I know that, unfortunately, that's not the case with many bases these days. there are far too many people in y w a m who cannot rightly handle God's word, and have no business being in leadership positions of any kind.
These days? Loads of us went through spiritual abuse in YWAM back in late 1980s/early1990s!
Thank you for sharing your story Abby. Courage right here. I am writing a memoir about growing up as fundamentalist and joining YWAM at the age of 17. Confused identity and being told that I only get my identity from someone else - Jesus. Learning to trust my doubts. It's painful to go into the past especially in my early 30s now, but I know it will help people and also provide me with greater clarity and awareness. I am relearning a spiritual connection to myself and the world that was lost through years of deconstruction. I had to throw the baby (spirituality/god/the universe) out with the bath water in order to rebuild. I held everything up to the light. If anyone would like to reach out I'm happy to share my story and listen to yours. I spent time at YWAM Perth DTS 2006 and 2008 BCC, also Melbourne YWAM 2006.
Spiritual Abuse... have a look at "The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse" by Jeff Van Vonderen & David Johnson.
Greetings from New Zealand. I was in a cult when I was a young Christian and what you are saying is ALL true. These cults have all the same hall marks but some times hard to discern. Good on you for exposing these subtle lies.
I was in YWAM. Cant say I was abused but I was deceived to a certain extent. I could never hear the voice of God and some of the things I had to do were foolish and somewhat harmful. The greatest thing for me was the mountain of debt I got in. I didnt believe most of the stuff but i just went along to get alobg which was wrong.
Hi! Thanks for your videos ! For me Ywam , Jocum , Jucum it is a sect bcz they wanna control yourself , your will and everything is about human power ... i was 7 year in a base and i am super glad to be out !!! Keep strong ! Thanks again !
This is terrible Abby. I’m so sorry you experienced this. I hope you will be able to forgive the people who abused you spiritually. Your prayers will be powerful to bring health to YWAM, where it has gone wrong.
It was hard for me to give up my animals they were my babies and it was hard for me to give up my career fitness trainer and it was hard for me to give up warm Winters and my livelihood and my health and my sanity heck I guess it was hard for me to give up a lot but I did it because some of them told me that they knew God better and that I couldn't hear from God so many things it just hit me blindsided it was very subtle but I'm glad that God saw my heart as unto him and his promise when we give up things for him 30 60 and 100 fold in this life Hallelujah return
God bless you & continue to heal you and strengthen you!! I praise Him for your courage & willingness to share these things
I had no idea ! This is so important for young people to be aware of.
Did you do Antsilvania the prodical ant? on stage.
I hope we can talk so I can my share my experience in ywam
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Thank you for having the courage to speak up. It amazes me how much of the same scriptures, phrasing, etc were used from my DTS leaders. More than half my group felt the same way about our leaders.
It's bizarre, isn't it?! That was probably one of the first red flags to me when leaving- realizing no answers my leaders gave me were original or "inspired", but simply them regurgitating whatever they'd been told by their superiors to repeat.
You made Reddit, btw.
@@dustinpaulson1123 Thanks for sharing, haha!
The description of what the plan for us to follow for ywam is on every website, see christianities main call is for us to become love 1 Corinthians 13:4-5 following that takes away everything that could come for you.. if leaders are not fully following Gods will for y’all, everyone isn’t perfect and even them can learn and need prayer! If wrong is being done pray and believe God will take care of it as he is the one who deals with vengeance only! I feel alot of stress presses the leaders to make action or decide things without full peace of God its okay they are growing just as us...
Yes we all now that, very nice spiritual words 😊 but in fact this is been going for long time and many young peoples already been hurting and brainwashed by the leadership spiritual abuses ,I was one of them .so stop baby them with all the religious spiritual BS .they need to act and stop doing that and the top leader who are involved has to step down and be accountability for what they’ve done.
Que bueno ver esto y saber que no soy la única que se sintió haci en juventud con una misión
This helps thank you. I have been praying about YWAM I talked about the bible and kinda preached to them on the phone but I felt that God has been telling me not to go for reasons. I was lead to look up something to find out and was lead here. I felt that they didn't know much about the bible and what our Lord Jesus Christ taught because things didn't seem right. You answered my prayers. Thank you so much again!
I realize that they are on their Journey as well and I'm glad for them that so far as I know the ones that told me things long ago that should never have taken place I'm glad that they don't believe those things now and even though that doesn't change what happened or the trauma but hopefully it will prevent damaging the lives of others
"They don't believe those things now?!" Where did you get that idea? The organization is founded with the idea that Loren Cunningham had a special talent to hear God's voice! He was the tradition of his grandfather, a person god told to leave his wife and children to go out and preach. An act defined in Scripture as worse than what the infidels do! Nothing has changed and Abby has simply explained how that "voice" if often proved to not be God's!
@@gregoryrobertson2806 I meant to say that that's what they told me I have a long story with them they told me to give up my animals give up two decades of my life minimum there was a lot of things they told me to give up exercising which I was getting into more of a career of a fitness trainer even told me that it was wrong for me to have my own apartment and I moved in with a lot of scary church folk upon their recommendation but they told me they didn't believe that anymore it does not affect what happened or the trauma that happened
@@created4passion442 Thanks for the clarification! Blessings to you!
@@gregoryrobertson2806 yeah I see there was a typo on my microphone don't know what the word Athens was doing in there LOL but anyhow I'm glad that you counsel people that have come out of things like that and I'm glad that there's the internet now because that helps people realize that they are not alone on certain subjects when some people like I would like you to believe 30 years ago there wasn't internet to check such things for support heck even 15