It really cannot be overstated how... weird some of the Canadian backcountry can be. I'm from the B.C Interior and have been a hunter since I was old enough to shoot. In the last 20 years I've found six abandoned vehicles, a buried storage container, two pot grow-ops, and by far the creepiest was finding a pair of boots, an empty backpack, and one used shotgun casing just sitting on a rock halfway up a mountain about 15km from the nearest backroad. All of that isn't counting the dozens of run ins with predatory wildlife. It's beautiful land but it demands you respect it or you may not be going home.
Yea, the more I head back into the woods, the more I want to unpin some of my gear to hold more. Im at the point where bear run ins aren't as scary as they were, it's the unknown and weird shit. Valemount north and west.... weird things abound
I'm from rural northern california, it's the same here. Go out into the wilderness anywhere near Garberville or Cazadero and you're pretty much guaranteed to find some absolutely bizarre shit
Cops don't want to get murdered, injured, or canceled. Any investigation would involve dealing with people who would be involved in criminal activity at the time. You don't want to be the cop that knocks on the front door of an Indian m-lab only to find out how ineffective gun control is.
He gets paid a lot more. In all seriousness,though,how do the police explain the missing steering column? Or the trail of burning clothes leading to the river? It's really upsetting to see all these young native Americans falling to drugs and alcohol,and living in poverty. They are only in these terrible circumstances because a foreign invader came in and forced a soulless,heartless,way of life on them. The natives had a fullfilling,beautiful way of life. Sure,they had their issues too,with tribal wars,etc. But their daily way of life was beautiful and sustainable,and balanced as well. There's no need to "advance" ourselves technologically. There are far too many of us now,and we live unhealthy,stressful,shallow lives. We've completely removed ourself from nature. And it's going to destroy us.
BC/AB resident here. It’s well known that the Hells Angels run most of the drug trafficking operations in small to mid-size towns between Lethbridge to BC. They also have deep ties to local police and RCMP. Many officers are members themselves. Both men got tied into illicit activities with them and they were made to disappear while RCMP are turning a blind eye.
man you weren't joking about putting time in to learning the 3d stuff. this was absolutely gorgeous, and an interesting (and frustrating) story was made all the more intriguing and engrossing by your visuals. great job!!!
I'm fascinated that "removing the steering column of a car in the middle of the woods" was seen as a normal, unsuspicious activity by the RCMP. I actually asked a friend of mine who's really good with cars about this, and he said that it would not be easy to remove a steering column in the woods without tools.
It's an awkward job but a screwdriver and socket wrench set is all you'd need for a truck like that. Reasonable tools one might carry in their vehicle. Nothing else about the removal of the steering column makes any sense though. It's not going to unbolt itself in a fire, it seems like way too much effort for a drug hiding spot and why would someone even take it?
That struck me too as being odd. Could be that towing the vehicle might be a reason it was removed. It might leave some tell tale sign that the vehicle was impounded by the authorities 👀
Who says they weren't traveling with the right tools? Whoever it was knew what they were doing, they probably knew enough to come equipped to pull off the job.
I cannot believe how the truck has never been removed. I mean, unless the truck was (at the very least) raised up a foot or two, how do we know that both men's bodies weren't placed underneath the vehicle before it was torched? It certainly would have been easy enough to do, as before the tires were destroyed by the fire, the ground clearance would have been more than enough to stuff their bodies. Seems rather negligent on the part of the authorities and detectives to never have explored this option, but then it doesn't seem like they ever gave a rat's ass in the first place. Unreal....
I would say the fact that anyone could say otherwise is because so many assume the cops are basically on the level. It's just objectively suspicious from every angle. Youd have to be a fool to think any coherent story explains any of it
Canadian police have historically mistreated indigenous people. Taking them when they are drunk out of towns and dumping them in fields to die of exposure has been documented on several occasions. If they aren’t responsible for the disappearances, they certainly did nothing because they dont care about them
One thing I picked up from this was the car still had burning smoke fumes when the tourists found it abandoned meaning the fire took place very recently and the moved items suggests to me that the area was being carefully watched. The whole scene just gives off a very dreary scary feeling. Its like something out of a horror movie.
Agreed. If I came across a burned out vehicle that seemed "fresh," I'd be drawing my sidearm, slowly walking back away, and quickly calling law enforcement. That's gotta be surreal, especially in such a remote area.
Thank you so much for getting the word out about Marshall. He was an acquaintance, we hung out in the same circle. His disappearance always bothers me. Posters are still up all over southern Alberta. Just felt really off to me.
best part is, the incompetency dates back to its founding and precursor colonial group. you can find tons of videos about missing person and found bodies where despite loads of sus evidence.... the RCMP is just like "idk guys looks like no foul play despite all the things we found that look like foul play." The RCMP are fucking clowns to the max. I see some people saying that they may be corrupt if it is in fact a drug case but honestly I don't think they are smart enough to be corrupt lol. They are too dumb to know how to.
at this point im convinced that when VPD busts fentanyl dealers and steal their drugs instead of arresting them, they peddle it right back into the street for some extra profit.
Definitely seemed intentional in this case. What other reason would these offices have for taking every avenue necessary to avoid it being deemed a criminal case? Id bet my last paycheck that someone high up in this department has ties to the organization responsible for these deaths/disappearances, and they hustled everyone all the way down to the street level patrolmen to write it off as something other than what it clearly is: which is the disposing of a young mans life by nefarious elements operating in that region
I'm Canadian and this situation is pretty typical of the RCMP. I also do lots of hiking and find weird, unsettling things all the time. It's crazy how much wilderness is out here...how many unsolved cases are out here...
I love Canadians, you are the sane people of the Americas. I am pissed about how your RCMP are completely useless at missing people cases, ESPECIALLY those involving First Nation members!! Isn't there a case with a girl being abducted IN THE MIDDLE OF A PHONE CALL and not one single eye was bat from the govmt.
Dear Barely Sociable, It's been a while since you posted this, but I only found my way around to it today after I had rewatched your video on the Silk Road for which was... honestly, I've lost count. I just love that video. This right here was yet another example of masterfully crafted content and gripping storytelling by you. Wherever you are today, whatever you're up to, I hope you're doing alright. I've been around since the beginning of the channels, and I know how quickly you've grown - so please don't put too much pressure on yourself about when to return and what to do next. Whatever you're going to put out next, we'll be here for it, and it will be awesome for sure! So long, and "have a good night" 🖤
I’m fascinated at how the authorities were of the opinion that there either wasn’t anything strange about the truck site, or it was strange but not so strange that it needed looking into. Ol’ boy scattered his belongings, smashed all his electronics, removed his steering column, and then immolated his freshly paid-off vehicle before walking into the woods to die. Nothing out of the ordinary. Must happen every other month up there.
The RCMP has always been ineffectual, unless they are covering up the crimes of people like Doug Ford, then they... Also... Have nothing to investigate. Hm.
They probably came to the same conclusion we did in this video: drug dealing gone bad. I had a friend who became aware his neighbors were dealing meth. He notified the police on their adjacent bad neighbor activities and cooperated with the cops for months. It took about a year before they finally busted them with about 8 different officers. The authorities are likely aware but don’t want to raise too many flags for their leads or are still building a solid case.
Canadian here, can confirm our police agencies coast to coast are basically Barbrady from South Park… standing over a clear crime scene saying “move along people nothing to see here”… and it’s absolutely infuriating and insulting because like one we pay for this with tax money and two we definitely deserve better “protection” if they wanna justify existing….
As an American, it's sad to me to see that other countries also have shit police. At least yours don't show up (often) and use unwarranted lethal force. I have sworn that if I'm ever in a car crash or something similar, I won't be the one to call the police. I do not trust a single person wearing a badge.
No they’ll just randomly show up and start accosting you or physically pushing you, fine you a couple $100 to meet their ticket quota, and then sue you if you try to argue it. Which I suppose is better than lethal force…
You're lucky. In the U.S. the cops prioritize officer safety first, yet call themselves heroes. A hero is somebody who puts the safety of others ahead of their own safety. Also, here in Texas, they just made it okay for police to shoot people in the back when they pose no threat. I'll take incompetence over licensing murders any day.
I am an investigator with over 20 years of experience. I think you make some great points in this video. After reviewing the facts in this case I am of the opinion that these young men ran afoul of an organised criminal enterprise. The fact they went missing in a related vicinity and their disappearances occurred so close together it’s fair to say these cases are related. The fact that Marshall dropped out of school could possibly indicate he had some type of turmoil going on in his life at that time. Substance abuse issues are a prime candidate for this. And when you have a serious substance abuse problem you will often turn to illicit means of supporting your habit. For some this will mean robbery and other crimes and for others it will mean selling narcotics to fund your habit. Usually an organised criminal enterprise will recruit dealers to distribute their product. These dealers will store bulk quantities of product so it’s not unusual to have a stash spot. As you mentioned at the end of your video storage units are often used for this purpose. If you are sampling product or trying to skim off the top you can be darned sure that there will be retaliation. Burning out cars is well known in the narcotics trade. It destroys most of your evidence. Daniel obviously had substance abuse issues. His erratic behaviour would be indicative of this. And the fact his hand was broken with a hammer screams retaliation. Sure. He could have hurt his hand some other way but why lie about it? If it was done as some type of retaliatory punishment then it was most likely done due to a drug debt or because of the theft of something belonging to the criminal enterprise. The fact that both of these men went missing at the same time and had indicators of illicit activity could suggest these men ran afoul of this criminal enterprise and were exposed to the most severe form of retaliation. Often remote areas are covered by an enforcer or enforcers who will travel from town to town collecting revenue and delivering new product. They may come through periodically to do this. If an enforcer was in the Pemberton area on the days those men went missing that could account for the time period between both disappearances. The fact that everything was torn out of the truck also suggests that whoever did that and burnt the truck was looking for something. By the way, cars don’t burn out like that from a dropped cigarettes. Clearly an accelerant was used. The intense heat charred absolutely everything. If it was an organised criminal group that was involved it’s unlikely that bodies will be found. These guys are professionals. I’m surprised the police didn’t lock down that site the moment they arrived and had a full forensic investigation done of the crime scene. Yes. It was a crime scene. Who drives out to the middle of nowhere to strew all of their possessions around and then burn the truck you just paid off. Sometimes I have to wonder about the sheer ignorance and laziness of some law enforcement officials. Sadly this didn’t end well. Interesting note, if the police do suspect an organised criminal enterprise was involved in the disappearances and there is a current investigation of that enterprise then police will not announce that until the enterprise investigation has concluded. But that’s just my opinion. Addendum: For those of you who are critical of this analysis let me just reiterate. This is just my personal opinion based on my experiences and knowledge. You will notice throughout that I use the words could and if. I have since put up an additional comment in this thread that addresses the negative criticism in this thread. Also, for those who are interested I am starting up my own channel with my sister who is a mental health professional. I will handle the investigative/forensic side of things and she will be profiling. It will be centred around infamous unsolved cases. Our first case will be Jack the Ripper for which we have linked new evidence not seen before. This was done by searching historical records from the 1880’s and was aided by the use of geographical profiling software. Our channel is www.youtube.com/@tandcunsolved should you wish to subscribe. We expect our first video to be up in a month. Merry Christmas everyone.
i think the third "shady" guy, was deep in the drug game and was probably a police/government informant...and its possible he's being protected (maybe i watch too many shows lol)
*Here's my theory on what happened.* Daniel and Marshal had both gotten tangled up with the wrong crowd, and eventually got themselves into a criminal organization or gang trafficking drugs. I think it's feasable that Daniel and Marshal didn't know each other, but they may have been part of the same organization. Marshal may have driven the long journey to traffic drugs for the organization either for money, or to pay off his debt. The fact that he visited a storage facility, a known place to store such substances, is indication of this. I believe both men were struggling with substance abuse. Due to this, they had gotten indebted to this organization and probably owed them a lot of money. Proof of this is clear. Daniel had his hand crushed with a hammer in retaliation (typical behavior from criminals wanting money), but much more telling is the night in the pub where the two men were spotted with a third party. The shady guy sitting in the car was most likely a guy higher up in the organization. He was there to collect money. That night in the pub was most likely him having a meeting with the two boys telling them that their final debt is due. In desperation, Daniel attempted to withdraw money he didn't have from an ATM. The fact that Daniel said "I think he's going to kill us" was probably a plea for help. He knew he was on his last legs if he couldn't pay the money he owed, but what could he do? If he got the woman involved, she would most likely have gotten killed as well. That night, the boys probably failed to pay their debt for the final time, and their punishment was their lives. This third party, maybe with additional backup, killed the boys, disposed the bodies somewhere they will never be found, and drove the car to a remote location to throw police of the trail. Before torching the car, he searched through it, maybe looking for any drugs or other valuables that may have been hidden in it. After setting fire to it he stayed around to wait for the flames to die down, but shortly after it did, he noticed the hikers approaching, so he went into hiding. He stayed in the woods until they were gone, and came back to make sure there were no evidence left behind, then he left. A criminal organization being involved would also explain why some parties are worried for their own safety, like that one guy who deleted his comments and said he couldn't divulge information. There might very well be a powerful drug organization operating in the area, known to certain locals. This would also explain why a LOT of people seem to go missing in that region. Maybe this organization is so influental that it even has the ability to manipulate police, which would explain the weird behavior from law enforcement. Just a theory of course, but this is what my instincts are telling me.
Seems a fair assessment. I can't think of any evidence that contradicts it. But I can't fit it all. 1. What was Iwassa for 2.5 hours inside the storage unit? 2. Why was the Red Cooler moved AFTER The hikers had been to that place? 3. Why leave any items, and there were many, outside the car, just to only torch the car? Why not burn everything in one go? 4. Something extra. Why not throw all evidence into the creek so close to the Car, and muddy the investigation even further? 6. Why was Iwassa's Trekking bag missing and not found with the pile of their items? I have a feeling there is still more to it. Whoever did what they did in this, wanted to leave those clues there for the people to find, but not in a totally obvious spot. Somewhere a bit desolate, yet still where people WOULD come eventually.
I lived where Marshal was from when this happened and though I didn't know him personally, I was friends with people who did. I've been posting on True Crime groups over and over along with Reddit. I've spoken to his mom and his sister on multiple occasions. I cannot thank you enough for giving this case the attention it deserves. Thank you so much. I've been to the vigils. I've seen the pain his loved ones hold for him. Thank you for giving them attention. For everyone else: Please don't let this case be forgotten. Something happened to Marshal and it is so important to keep his story alive. Someone knows what happened to this man. Someone was involved.
Reminds me of a quote of a Mountie about another case, I think also in BC. "People here know something, but they're not talking." I'm paraphrasing, but it's still haunting as hell, like what you said about someone knowing what happened. Wish I could remember the name of the town. I want to say Kamloops. It's by a lake, and I'm pretty sure it's in the south of the province. Not helpful, I know, but it also featured a burnt vehicle. Three things to never underestimate: corruption, how tight knit small communities can be, and how many strange things go on out in the woods.
@@WK-47Lindsay Buziak? There are multiple cases out of BC in particular that make it appear to have some of the most corrupt law enforcement agencies out there
Law enforcement won't investigate because there is no evidence of foul play... They can't find any evidence because they refuse to investigate. An absolutely insane catch-22. My heart goes out to the family. It seems law enforcement are part of a cover up.
Nah, Occam's razor... Multiple precincts between multiple provinces are actively covering up a random dude's disappearance Or... They couldn't solve it right away and just stopped doing their jobs to focus on other things
@ChadVanHalen5150 I mean he might not have been a "random dude". The police get their hands on large scores of drugs. It's not out of the realm of possibility that some dirty cops were using these guys to sell or run the drugs. Also, the police is an ole boys club. If one dept wants something buried, it's going to stay that way unless the other dept is super on the up and up.... which is super super rare. I say this as someone who knows a cop, detective & former fbi agent. They've had numerous conversations around be about dirty cops and how they're pressured to cover for them.
I've actually been to the Brian Waddington hut and I can attest the truck is still there. I went in winter of last year for a ski trip, and I remember seeing the truck and not thinking much of it. Random ruined trucks are not an uncommon thing to see on a fire road in BC. I even have a video of my brother climbing up on top and skiing off the hood. Crazy to think about, great video as always.
My wife and I went on honeymoon in BC, and we stayed at port renfrew and at one afternoon we drove up a mountain logging road and came across an abandoned water tanker trailer. I climbed up top and we got some pictures of me on top. There’s a lot of abandoned stuff in BC especially Vancouver island.
@@MactacFPV I’m not from the area, and we were just cruising around the area enjoying the forest. But I went on Google earth and best I can retrace where I think we were, we were on a Gordon River Road I’m not sure where Jordan river dam is, although years ago during my first trip to Vancouver island I slept in my car at a free campground called Jordan River which was on the shores of the Juan de Fuca strait
Neat to see to see a Barely Sociable video from my neck of the woods. I actually remember seeing a news report about this, and finding it weird that the RCMP did not suspect foul play. That whole highway is a known drug corridor, and the murders committed by Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky had only occurred just four months prior, and the murder scenes were extremely similar to how Marshal's truck was found. The RCMP also has a pretty bad reputation in BC when it comes to solving murders and missing persons cases, such as the unsolved murder of Phillip Innes Fraser, the dissapearances and murders on the Highway of Tears(which is a rabbit hole itself), and the delayed arrest of serial killer Clifford Olson, who was even paid $100,000 in a plea bargain for the locations of his victims.
From an totally objective standpoint I believe this is another cover-up case. In my opinion they were a part of an large organized crime group and were eliminated because of something they had done or knew. It wouldn’t be a surprise since it’s common and there are a lot of other cases such as this one in close proximity. Also I am sure the police department is in on it which is sadly also not so uncommon. I hope this situation as a whole will get resolved some day and bring some answers to the families of the victims not just the ones mentioned in this video but all of the others involved.
I live about 2 hours away from Calgary, so I thought it was so cool to hear a video about a local case for me from one of my favourite youtubers! And on Halloween no less, what a treat! : D
To those who aren't from Canada, if you ever visit here, avoid the RCMP at all costs. They are not your friend. Avoid all interaction with them, don't ask for directions, behave if you are pulled over for a moving violation. The RCMP are just looking for an excuse to screw you over and they will do so with impunity. They seem awfully lazy and incompetent in this case, but they are just looking for a reason to take you to jail and/or beat you up.
Just yesterday I was like, "Man I wish there was another Barely Sociable doc to watch." And today my wish was granted. What an eerie, sad story. My heart goes out to these families, and I hope someday they get answers.
Every sign points to the police knowing about the smuggling and/or being involved. Every sign. And for those who scoff, this happens more often than you'd think. Those officers who aren't directly involved know to keep their mouths shut. The family needs to keep pushing, and having big TH-camrs like you bring attention to the case is fantastic. With enough pressure, hopefully whatever Canadian organization oversees the police will start investigating and expose the corruption that's very likely there (Also, it should be noted that the RCMP has a nasty history of not investigating cases involving natives for some reason, so that could be part of it too).
Ive heard firsthand accounts from people who have been roped into certain police business because the police "caught" them and has enough dirt on them to basically get in on whatever they were doing. Not canadian. From a much smaller country.
No doubt the cops were in cahoots. The real question to me is weather they were paid or threatened 😮 I guessing both, but more importantly threatened to have family hurt. Not an excuse of course, but the most probable explanation.
Anyone who looks at this comment thread should look up the MacLeans article that investigates the claims of Gabriel Wortmann's likelihood of being a police informant (the Nova Scotia mass murderer). They coldly sacrificed their own to keep the secret about his relations with RCMP to protect their own dirty history with infiltrating the black market drug and gun trade- I have no doubt. RCMP is corrupt to its core. My uncle was a commissioner and the things he laughed off is super fucked up.
Absolutely. This is what I was thinking the entire time. There is way too much that’s off about this for it to just be another instance of negligent police work.
I worked in a warehouse with some guys from a reserve way out in the back country. They joke about it, but you could tell they were afraid of the place. Told me you didn't go out at night unless you had to because people would go "missing" in the night.
Canada is so huge but only has a population of 38 million and most Canadians live in or around just a few major cities. The further north you go the less people there are. There's a lot of places to hide in Canada. Easy for people to just go missing.
That spot isn’t even that backcountry. There’s a road. Hikers could easily access the site. I’m sorry to the fam but it’s very likely anyone could have come upon the spot between the first report and RCMP actually making it out there. Hunters, hikers, loggers, etc.
@dismurrart6648 Yeah, it's not like the catalytic converter was what was taken. A steering column has no real value for thieves or anyone else who comes across a whole vehicle
@@Tsumami__ it is pretty backcountry though. Have you actually watched videos of people going to the site? The “road” is old dirt logging road called the Brian waddington trail, it’s a rough trail requiring off road vehicles, and the truck was found nearly 20 miles up this trail in the middle of nowhere. The closest town is pretty small.
I remember hearing about this Case on The Vanished Podcast and the whole thing is so sketchy. The amount of untold stories of those going missing and encountering foul play here in Canada make me think twice. Your retelling of his story is really well done! Very immersive. 👏
I don’t know how many times I’ve read and seen videos that clearly shows the incompetence of the Canadian police. It’s almost unbelievable that nothing is done about it.
The entire Canadian parliament gave a standing ovation to a member of the Waffen-SS because he "fought the Russians in ww2" not one of them had the cognitive capacity to critically analyse who exactly would have been fighting the Russians in WW2. So instead they all stood there grinning and clapping.
Welcome back Barely Sociable! We dearly missed you. I checked your Twitter out and hope you are feeling better and things get even better from now on. Your community truly missed you as you are one of the best creators on this website, with a serious tone covering interesting topics with a quality better than most professional documentaries unlike other "mystery" channels. I hope you are back and continue to deliver videos in the near future, you are unique in this part of youtube for the sheer quality and good topics. We love you brother, hope you are alright today.
Any upload from Barely Sociable is a breath of fresh good air in the mystery side of youtube because every "mystery youtuber" does nowadays is talking about "muh creepy ARG/creepypasta/web series" cringefest.
Please edit your content for the algorithm in the future. Your extremely slow narration, extremely long fades to black and video sections with no content really makes it hard to watch the full video.
There's nothing more frightening than seeing, plainly, how the law only cares about your well-being if it has some value. If you're a "nobody" you just get forgotten in paperwork.
And a lot of that depends on whether you have people in your life willing to make a big deal about your disappearance and pressure the police into acting. In this case, however, not even the public pressure from the family got them to budge. But if this was a guy with nobody missing him, they definitely wouldn’t have to issue a press release.
I'm not Canadian, but thought at first he might be guilty of being indigenous and being problematic. I see that he's not; he must be at least 4th generation Asian Canadian. On the other hand, if I went missing, no one in LE would be interested in finding me, either, and I come from hundreds of years of US citizenry. I thoroughly understand the frustration of the family. I will stay up to date on the case as best I can. This stinks of LE incompetence or cover-up. Or both.
I have an extended family member a cousin who was older than me who was murdered and they found his truck burned out on top of a mountain close by. He hadn't shown up to visitation for a weekend with his only daughter. This was enough to send literally every single one of us into a panic. He wouldn't have even been late to pick up his baby girl, much less just not show up at all. Within the hour he was supposed to be there his ex-wife had contacted everyone. Within 2 hours of him not arriving we'd all called every hospital and police station between the 2 County's he would have traveled through to get from his home and our county where his daughter lived. We did find out that he had worked a regular day and left work at a normal time. We tried to report him missing but they weren't very worried about an adult male missing on a Friday night from visitation weekend. Come Monday morning he didn't report to work. This was when they finally took a missing person's report. 6 days later they found his truck up on a well-known mountain at the very end of a road. There wasn't any reason any of us could think of as to why he would have been there. Keep in mind this cousin was huge, huge in a muscular way. He literally won a Sylvester Stallone look alike contest at one point. So he would have easily felt safe in the presence of almost anyone. Of course, he didn't happen to be a psychopath so he never thought about someone pulling out a gun on him instead of fighting fairly. (Small town guy) So found the truck burned to a crisp, but no sign of him or what happened to him either. He was missing for years, 6 I think, but I genuinely don't remember exactly. Then some boys were hiking up there where the truck was found. They found a human skull. They reported it, and a forensics team found 6 shallow burial spots. Someone killed him, and dismembered his body and buried him in a circular pattern. An arm, then his other, his head in another, then his legs each in their own graves, and his torso. This is still an open case. They believe that he had gotten involved in drugs or something illegal and that the cartel got him. The police won't really tell us anything so we don't know if the cartel stuff is just a rumor that is unfounded or not. We do know that he had been shot in the back of the head several times. This has been unsolved for years and years now. We honestly don't believe it will ever be solved either. There was no evidence at all. So unless someone talks we will likely never know. I have never mentioned this even though I watch and comment quite a bit on true crime content bc it sounds so damn unbelievable. Hell, I don't think i would believe it if I read this story in a comment either! I assure you that I am telling everything truthfully tho. I would never make something up this horrible.
I was with you until you started saying you wouldn't believe this story if you read it, the disclaimer you put at the end is literally the only thing that makes this story sound "fake" to me
@LucasTirey It's not, I wish it was. It sounds crazy to me, and I was involved in real life. To me, it seems like it should be a plot in a terrible movie.
I would like to mention that according to a post made by the Varsity Outdoor Club, during the renovations of the Brian Waddington Hut, whose roof collapsed due to an excess buildup of snow, Marshal's truck was cut up and removed via helicopter on or before October 15th of this year and is no longer out in the woods. Any evidence of its abandonment has been cleaned up and removed as well, and the trail is back to normal. A little disappointing, since no answers are now able to come of it, as the truck was sent to a scrapyard and is presumably being disposed of entirely.
@@WowCoolHorse Helicopter to a scap yard ? $$$$$ A tow truck could get in there No it was taken as evidence and yes you can still use it if it was in segments.They would take the segments they need with evidence done all the time. Could of left the truck there for bait to see who came back. I Have used wildlife recoreders hidden in trees to catch thieves and thieves use them to see when people leave their home
The production quality of this video is absolutely insane mate, it's clear how much you've put into this - from research to visuals. Brilliant work and incredibly informative
@@shirmeymckamey9386 yea how dare he forgot to plastered a funny family guy moment beneath for people with attention span of a toddler!! I can't believe this!
@@shirmeymckamey9386 said the kid who can't spell 😂 next time try harder besides insulting people uploads alright? Im sure the school going to teach you one or two things 🤗
I lived in Squamish during this time and remember seeing Daniel's missing person posters around town. Until now I had no clue how deep and weird this story had become. Thank you so much for sharing!
As mentioned several times, arson is a criminal activity and beings the steering wheel was removed that kind of indicates the truck didn't catch fire and burn by itself. Some serious questions should be put to the RCMP by some authority that has the right to demand answers. Unbelievable.
Nope, it seems it isn't criminal if Marshal did it because the truck was wholly owned by him, and it wasn't an inhabited building. So, no crime. They weren't lying.
It’s well known that law enforcement doesn’t care about the indigenous people in Canada. It’s criminal how they treat the missing/murdered indigenous cases. It’s exactly how they treat missing or murdered working girls. They don’t give an it! One less in their eye. So frustrating and sad. Great video.
It's also well known that Canada has a lot of backwoods precincts with little employees/resources, and there's a "code of silence" in reservations where people won't/don't help work with the police or report stuff as much as they should (whether they they feel justified in doing so or not). Unfortunately there's many issues
I am originally from southwestern British Columbia. This is far from the only example of young men disappearing under mysterious circumstances and it being ignored or dismissed by the police. Kristofer Couture is another prime example.
Not just young men. Native girls have been disappearing for many decades with practically no comprehensive investigations into them. It's so f*cked up how racist and corrupt the cops are. Many are bought and paid for by our main drug network under the Hell's Angels.
I lived in Pemberton when they found Marshal’s truck and I know there is so much more to this story than officials are letting on. There is something nefarious going on in that area and it is being ignored or covered up. I always had an uncomfortable feeling living there, I didn’t have that safe “small-town” feeling
Normally I stick these types of stories on, flip my phone round, close my eyes and fall asleep half way through - not with this one, it’s visually engrossing, well written and interesting. Thank you
I get so annoyed with the police using school attendance to dismiss looking for a missing person. There was one case I heard recently that they used the missing person's school attendance after she went missing to dismiss her case. Allowing her murder to walk among us for 2 decades before a podcaster solved the case by himself.
Missing Canadian Indigenous men and women in Canada has been an on going problem and many of them go unsolved. It was super interesting to watch a video about Daniel, when rarely any of the disappearances get this level of detail in cover. High quality stuff, really enjoyed watching this.
Thank you SO much for your videos. I’ve been listening to them while working on a sewing project and realized I watched every single one, whoops! Keep it up, you rule
One of the hardest working true crime/mystery youtubers out there. The research, narration, 3d animations, etc. This is incredible quality stuff. Great video!
I'm not Canadian or American, so my experience is limited to what I see online, but the more I find out about the RCMP, the more I'm convince the organisation is utterly riddled with corruption (or incompetence) from top to bottom.
I just wanted to let you know I got the best night of sleep in awhile because of this video. Not that it's boring...your voice is just soooooo relaxing. Thank YOU!!
I once dated a US Federal Agent. She said if you want a strong organization that will thoroughly investigate a crime, you don’t go to the R.C.M.P. She said they always seem to be more concerned about their bowling league score and having their picture taken at a community event while in their “cute” dress uniform.
I've heard some things about the RCMP along the same lines. Maybe it's because the Canadian justice system as a whole is kind of a joke. Letting murderers out in society and allowing them to change their names to hide in plain sight, for instance. I do have to give them credit for notifying the local police in my city, at the other side of the US, of a child predator in our midst. They were investigating CP and they tracked some images to a man here.
True dope released a middle eastern terrorist who killed 2 US service members (who had been convicted of 1st degree murder twice as well as terrorism charges being part of al-queda or the taliban (can’t member which one). He served part of his time in gitmo and asked to be transferred to Canada to serve out his sentence since he was a Canadian citizen by birth. And not only did he release him, but gave him 10 million dollars and paraded him around like a hero… 🤦♂️ Absolutely disgusting and truly insane.
The picture that's been painted is terrifying. Truck taken to the middle of nowhere (a truck he somehow paid off) and torched with a missing steering wheel. A "scary dude" reportedly seen with both at the same time, having power over the both of them. And the scene supposedly having signs someone might've been burned alive. Sounds like someone knew what they were doing, professional even. I doubt either missing man will ever just reappear.
It’s very obviously drug trade related. The scary man was likely an enforcer collecting on a debt. The broken hand being shattered by a hammer was the warning
@@HCG that sounds about right. one thing i was thinking was whoever drove the truck back there, knew about the cabin and knew nobody was gonna be there because why would you risk going back there of all places? i'm sure they offed the two guys somewhere else. weird they didn't burn the clothes and stuff unless they just wanted the authorities to focus the investigation there and not where it actually went down. but i also think the cops are probably in on it.
@@XX-121 this kinda reminds of the boys on the tracks case from the 70’s where the police and even the fbi are heavily suspected in being part of the drug trade
The more I hear about the RCMP the more I believe they just don't give a crap about anyone with native/ethnic blood, unless the family throws a fit and goes public with their criticisms of them. This is ridiculous. Even if there is not foul play they still deserve to be searched for extensively. Both these poor men deserve more, they deserve to be brought back to their families, in whatever way, and to have whatever justice they can get. The RCMP needs to do better.
same thing here in the states, but its defo something ive always heard about the RCMP, the plain refusal to consider a crime can happen to any indigenous person when theres the vague (usually ignorant of some evidence) possibility they just wandered off into the woods or ran away ^-^ -_-
The RCMP were used as a paramilitary force to 'control' indigenous ppl historically. And were/ are responsible for a LOT of violence against indigenous pl. They were used to force kids to go to residential schools. Were they were legally mandated to kidnap indigenous kids and bring them to those school. They have a long history of sexual violence. Against all women. And especially Indigenous woman and girls. They are corrupt af. And often do more harm to ppl then good. As all cops were created to protect property of those in power. Not ppl.
The tampering part can easily be explained by bears in the area. The moved part is a cooler, it possibly smelled of food. (wrote this before finishing the video.) The drug running conclusion is most likely true. Using old broken electronics is a good way to conceal things as noted. It could also be that the car wheel airbag area was used to store drugs or money. It's a place police rarely look.
Could also just be people have gone up there and messed around with stuff. Those people that found it put a post out to their group but plentyvof others could have decided to use the trail in that couple of days between and when they saw everything up there, just got curious and started messing with stuff. Anyone without prior knowledge wouldn't automatically think "crime scene" because they'd have figured if it was, cope would have taped it off or picked up anything relevant already.
Even just random people. It's probably fairly common for people to go up there without signing up, and if they happened on the scene maybe they decided to rummage around.
@@mommy2libras True. You might not realise how fresh the scene is, thinking it's an old abandoned car sitting there for months. Also, some people just don't care, they'd look around for stuff to find. But my bet is on a bear. There's way more bears than people there at night I assume.
@@mommy2librasunlikely. How often do random people just mess around with random stuff they find? It makes no sense, humans still have an instinct to stay away from other's belongings. Just like every other animal
It's wild to me that Daniel's family member reported his car as "abandoned" and had it towed rather than moving it to his home for him. Not to mention the fact that despite knowing his car was "abandoned" (as they claimed), no one filed a missing person's report for another 6 weeks.
He couch surfed and didn’t really have a home, which is why both things happened, with a big family and being relatively single, he would move around a lot. Everyone assumed he was somewhere else…Uncle didn’t know where to move it since he had no home… trust me the family organized a search party and did their best, looking for him in wet snow all around the area
If you've had family members like Daniel you would know that taking care of them over a long period of time gets exhausting, it's wierd but kind of understandable.
Keep in mind Daniel was a member of the First Nations. The police are notoriously bad at investigating First Nations cases. It's entirely possible the family was like "cops aren't going to care anyway, we're going to wait a bit and see if he turns up. He has before." It looks weird if you're not part of that community, but...yeah, I can definitely see them just assuming the police wouldn't help. (And look what happened.)
I am never shocked when I see videos on Canadian true crime that are classified by police as 'not suspicious' especially when the circumstances are so outlandish... its such a common theme here and it's so sad that we as a country and as communities pay taxes to employ these people and they can't/won't seek justice even a little bit... the deaths that have not be solved and have even been CAUSED by police negligence is so disgusting and sad...
Money and ressources are limited here in Canada for investigations ,it is sad , this was a tough area to search and privacy laws makes it difficult to follow any cases here ,even if the public wants to help , not enough infos are public compare to the state , but we are a big country but only 40 millions spread from east to west , compare to the states ..they have areas that contains more people than in our entire country ! They have way more ressources and money and police forces !
@@AB-by8xuI think a lot of people don't realize that it's not necessarily a "cop" thing, it's a "money" thing. Cops in rural areas like this have massive caseloads, and there's no 'Detectives' to take on these missing person Investigations. The same cops who respond to your regular disturbances and break-ins and whatnot also are responsible for these Investigations, and there's nobody else they can pass the buck to. So if the basic search doesn't reveal any substantial evidence or further leads, it's file closed and onto the next.
I am at an absolute loss of words and disgusted by the incompetence of the RCMP displayed in this case. What makes it even worse is knowing about the horrors they let Robert Pickton get away with for so long and not at all that far away. Canadian authorities are so blatantly unbothered by the suffering of so many (especially indigenous) people and completely disregard their duty to look into and preventing these cases. I live across the globe but my heart is breaking for anyone who knew these people and is affected by this. No human being should have to face these circumstances.
Dude i literally just saw a missing poster for this guy two days ago. The circumstances looked real suspicious and i really wanted to know more since its somewhat close to home. I really dislike the RCMP they do this all the time. I swear our province has several obvious serial killers just roaming around murdering people not to mention organized crime hits.... it happens all the time and they say theres nothing suspicious all the time.... its ludicrous. Its even worse if the victim is a sex worker or native woman then its almost guaranteed not to be adequately investigated. Its a shameful excuse for detective work, and the RCMP as a whole is racist, disaffected, and useless.
Very obvious when hearing the story about the rich want to be pig farmer serial killer, torturing and murdering east side Vancouver sex workers. No investigation despite overwhelming evidence, but the second they hear about possible illegal firearms they are immediately on the way to arrest the guy.
Amen. Any sort of interaction with a mounty around here will showcase just how stupid, arrogant, and uncaring the average officer is. All the good ones already left, we're stuck with the dregs
Police in BC being incompetent is not surprising. We have multiple active serial killers and the police and government refuse to respond in any way. Hundreds of innocent women lost.
Funny how when RCMP was 100% white males they were the best in the world. Now that diversity rules, they are terrible. Women like you completely fail to comprehend it is women like you voting far left that is the problem.
Ir seems like 2.5 hours would be exactly the amount of time someone would need to get really, really high during an extremely stressful situation. He apparently waited desperately outside in tge cold for hours before dawn to access a storage unit, a unit where he could have stashed a large amount that he was possibly skimming from. Then he went missing after being seen with a potential drug enforcer. Just a hypothetical.
As a BC native whose worked in forrestry I have to say burnt out cars in the woods isn’t really a sign of murder.. the belongings laying about is more disturbing, but if the car was abandoned for any decent period of time some group or drunken kids are bound to burn the truck down and trash it up. The truck might have been stripped for parts before it was burned. I’ve seen all sorts of abandoned things in the most isolated of areas. It’s sad to say this man was never found but I’m not surprised the cops didn’t think too much into it. I’ve personally seen kids pitch a few hundred bucks together to buy a beater car to rally on dirt roads for a day or two and light on fire 😂
The RCMP seems like the laziest police force ever. 'You want to do the investigation or go watch curling, eh?' 'Ya, he musta just wandered off into the forest'. 'Yep, makes sense, case closed'.
The Lethbridge Police Department was probably too busy repeatedly running over deer to care about criminal investigations (I'm not making up the deer thing, there's a video of it from around the time)
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2 mins in and absolutely blown away by the production value, effort and just all round cinematic style in these 3D animations. Fair play man, always worth the wait. Keep up the great work you talented soul!
It's scary what you come across in the woods, me and my little sis live in the mountains of Colorado and went on a hike, we found two abandoned vehicles, two shell casings, and nearby, a police sketch on a building that scared the hell out of us, and while on the trail heading back home, out of all things, we found an engine block of some kind fully buried under the dirt on the trail, took our fingers and some brushing to figure out what it was, how the hell it wound up there and for how long, we do not know. Never know what you'll come across, keep posting, stay safe!!!
Wow, that's one hell of a mystery. Can't imagine losing a family member like that and not knowing a single clue as to what happened. I've heard a lot of stories of people just going missing, but rarely do they have this many questions. Great vid man
As someone who grew up in a part of the US with a lot of drug trafficking largely due to the combined proximity to the border and lesser acknowledged status of my home state compared to others, it's easy for someone to get dragged into the drug trade, whether they like it or not sometimes. I can't really speak for what these men went through, but it sounds like "Tying up loose ends" to me, and it's tragic if that is what happened. Now we can only pray their families get closure.
@@thewritinglefty4889buying drugs and then when you're hooked you're probably going to become indebted to them. Don't pay the debts? Well, too bad. This whole story sounds like he got involved with drugs, got hooked, got indebted (stopped going to college cause of either no money or drug habit was taking over), and couldn't pay.
Easy: The lure of easy money, and a lot of bills to pay...Sounds like they were just mules, and a shipment got stolen...For people that doesn't happen to without people dying...It becomes more about the message, than the drugs that were lost...
@Mijinmatt I'm from the same city as Marshall as well in his missing Facebook page. There are many comments from his family and friends saying that Marshall wasn't a drug user.
@@realcanadiangirl64 One doesn't need to use drugs to traffic them...Did he gamble??? That could also explain his disappearance...Basically, the police will NEVER investigate unless whatever illegal he was mixed up with is known...Someone in his circle of friends knows more than they are letting on...
If the steering column was removed and is missing that means someone else was driving his vehicle, at least at the end, and someone else had to follow in another vehicle to take whoever was driving his vehicle and the steering column out of there. If they had investigated at all it would've been simple to check gas station security footage for his vehicle and the follow vehicle. They probably lit the bodies on fire to remove evidence and then threw them in the river before fully torching the vehicle. The reason you torch a vehicle is because you 'the killer' were in there and need to destroy DNA evidence.
Everything seems reasonable as a guy trying to disappear up until the steering column being missing. There's no way anyone could see that and not start a criminal investigation, unless of course they knew exactly what happened and were covering it up. The fact that we have one native drifter and one college drop out really makes it seem like the cops didn't care as long as it couldn't be tied to them and they didn't touch anyone important. A shame when blatant corruption like that can be swept under the rug so easily
you are right but why would anyone want to hurt him, hes not into drugs, not into a lot of money just a normal college age dude, people like him are usally not murdered unless there is some big reason neither of these cases makes any sense
@@redred222 you can easily speculate at some point Marshall had exposure to or became involved in the drug trade. The amount of circumstantial evidence littered throughout this video shows that. It's sad watching his family in interviews clearly oblivious to this.
I've hiked that trail a number of times and have seen the slow disintegration of Marshal's truck. At the time of the disappearances, it appears that the road was considered 4WD only if you wanted to reach the end (more recent logging has improved the road quality but stops about 200m short of where the truck rests). The whole road is almost 6km long. If there were two vehicles (which seems likely in order to take the driver and steering column away), it would have taken some time to drive up, destroy the vehicle, and drive back down again. The trail doesn't see huge traffic but it is well known and it is not unknown for hikers to do an early winter trip to the cabin at the same time of year as the disappearances - including hiking up at night. So the perpetrators were taking a pretty big risk to use this road as their dumping area (this is, by far, the most out-of-the-way dump I've seen - other wrecks I have seen have usually been just a km or so up a logging road or even right on the main road). There's a not insignificant risk of someone seeing them on their way in or out. So they knew the area well enough to know that there was a road there but probably not well enough to know that the road was in poor shape or that it was well travelled.
I always wondered why no one ever seemed afraid of being caught on a hidden trail camera until I ended up working with law enforcement. (Not in, but with - I was a firefighter.) We had a string of arsons in one specific spot. I told the cops to put a game camera there and they acted like it was such a novel idea. Ended up catching the guy in a few weeks. Just a mentally disturbed guy, no real reason to be setting fires.
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Holy crap I've been on this trail before, always wondered what the truck was about. Didn't know there was such a story behind it. Just one update after watching the video, the Waddington Hut trail and the Tolkien mountain range above aren't wholly unknown to hikers, especially students of University of British Columbia where the Varsity Outdoors Club stems from. I encountered three other groups during my hike there last year in the early fall. There's a chance the evidence was tampered by another hiker coming through to the hut. The club has records of lodgings that are paid for, perhaps they have history of who went through the trail in the relevant dates? Incredible video!
I love a content creator who truly researches the topic they are making their videos about. Barely Sociable not only does impeccable research, but also provides new insights, includes as much information/evidence as possible- which is almost always well above and beyond what any other person covering the topic would give-, and brings it all together with some of the best “storytelling” and editing I’ve ever had the pleasure to view. This particular situation is one I’d never heard of or seen before, and it really is an enigmatic set of circumstances. There seems to be quite a large amount of evidence that- for no discernible reason- law enforcement has chosen to ignore or blatantly disregard. The whole thing almost comes across as something that law enforcement perhaps has a much greater understanding about but will not act upon the knowledge they have. Worrying and extremely saddening for those family members and friends who have been affected by this bizarre tragedy. I hope that the continued coverage will spur the investigation to continue to be conducted until a conclusion is reached.
There’s so many holes in this story because of the lack of investigation by police. It’s kind of surprising to me that they put so little into this case when so many family and community members pressuring them. Strange set of circumstances that’s for sure. Hopefully it’ll get the attention it deserves one day for the families sake. Nothing could be worse than not knowing what happened or where they are.
To be fair to the police, many of the "holes" are actually due to family members supposedly accepting stupid shit on the part of people they claim to care about and giving police outrageous timelines regarding when/where/if they even last saw them. It seems like just about everyone they mentioned knows far more than they are claiming to know. As to Cody, my uncle was a homicide detective for San Diego. He never believed in coincidences. It is no coincidence that people knew who Cody Louis was. Equally strange is that the narrator mentions that the steering gear was removed. Well that wasn't just pulled off. It had to be removed with tools... BEFORE that car was set on fire. Let that sink in. This wasn't a fire set in the heat of the moment. There wasn't a single thing about the ditching of that car that wasn't planned out.
With all the stories I have seen over the years, the RCMP is the most incompetant group I have ever seen. My heart goes out to these familys and hope they can find peace.
Ha, a year or so ago I said to my self the same thing, I have listened to a lot of true crime podcast and some bad ones, most of the worst police stuff ups or badly investigated crimes were of the RCMP , I’m a kiwi and was always under the assumption they were very good, but apparently not at all.
@@kerryhayward9407 you'd think a group that receives 3 times the amount of funding our armed forces receive would make them half-decent. Nope, incompetent trash.
@@kerryhayward9407 I'm American and there are always things coming up about the FBI. I used to think RCMP were better, but research shows not so, especially in regards to Native Americans.
One man who cares, with some time and a Facebook account, pieces together more than an entire Canadian PD can, or will, over months. Simply because, apparently, they just don't care. That or this 'shady character' is a relative to an officer (hence them picking up the guitar), and this isn't a lack of concern, but a premeditated attempt to cover for someone.
More like he did more than the Canadian equivalent of the FBI. RCMP are notoriously useless when it comes to thefts and missing persons, because of their reputation recruitment has been down for a long time and it's painfully obvious what's left are egotistical narcissists in it for the uniform and power. Perfect example of why a police force should not be federal
While I think it is possible that both men were linked to the same drug trade, it seems kind of unlikely seeing as how they lived 14 hours apart and in different provinces. I wont speculate too much on what happened because I dont know, but I also wont discount that the witness’s testimony from the bar may have been fabricated or embellished in some way. What I CAN say is that if you dont know, this is very typical RCMP behaviour when it comes to missing persons cases involving someone from an indigenous background. If you know the history of the RCMP, you will understand why. I think its unlikely corruption was involved, and this is another case of gross negligence and a lack of fuck given by authorities, regardless of what caused the disappearances.
The RCMP are both corrupt and negligent. The way they’ve handled missing Indigenous peoples as well as the “starlight tours” in Saskatoon are examples of both.
Canada is sparsely populated. Large distances between drug rings would be pretty common. More than 10 years ago, when I was in the "business," it was not uncommon to have people come in from provinces as far away as Manitoba to where I was on the west coast to pick up stuff and drive it back over. I haven't been in that lifestyle for years, but I doubt it's changed much.
The hikers who found the truck said they had an eerie feeling. I think there was probably someone still there. They could’ve hid because they would’ve heard the hikers’ vehicle coming. They watched the hikers and the hikers left shortly after. Then the person emerged and destroyed evidence further, just in case. After that they took off, knowing the hikers would have contacted law enforcement.
This location is quite remote. About an hour's drive from the closest public transit to take a perpetrator away. The hike back down to the Blackwater road is 6km. But the Blackwater road itself dead-ends at a park another 2km along. So you'd have to go another 13.5km in the other direction to get to the highway where you can consider yourself escaped. If there was a car parked along this route, I'm pretty sure the hikers who discovered the crime scene would have noted that. And people live along the Blackwater (not many, but some) and they might have noticed someone walking down the road. A second car most likely drove up with the victims. I don't know what to make of the disturbed evidence.
I mean... do you really need anything else than burned car and personal items tossed around to have eerie feeling? IDK, maybe I live in a quiet neighbourhood, but it would be quite eerie for me as I've never seen such thing in my life.
It depends on the person, but my instincts usually give me a good vibe if there is someone watching me or closeby, things like my neck hair standing up and a slight noise of electricity inside my ears. Living in town it gets dulled but the moment we leave for the wild it really shows. So I wonder if that was the eerie feeling, being a hiker tends to give you that awareness. Most likely though, they saw the scene and instantly thought of drug related killing, so they knew they better leave asap or get killed as well. Then the perpetrators saw that people were about and decided to go back and erase any evidence. If someone was up on the valley, they could see the hikers from a long distance too.
Just in case you haven't heard it enough: I absolutely love your content and how detailed and insightful they are, and how much effort you put in these videos. It drives me nuts how the average channels that cover similar cases debase the entire genre, and worst of all, make interesting cases uninteresting by always scratching the bare minimum only to blurt out as much content as they can in the shortest amount of time possible.
Another TH-camr I watch stated it pretty well: “Calling the RCMP to do a search is about as effective as calling your grandmother. The only difference is your grandmother would care more.” As soon as you said they were involved I just knew they’d be completely dismissive of anything even remotely suspicious. And they were!
In Canada, a burn car is always seen as a crime scene related to drugs. So there is no surprise that police didn't do anything, but police will never do anything if a burn car is involved because they think it's related to drugs.
@@thedeviouspanda When you say, "no one would really get in trouble for drugs" I take that as, "with the authorities?" Because you could certainly get in to plenty of trouble for drugs. For instance, if these two dudes were distributing then they may owe some people ...possibly a lot of money and if you don't pay they may relieve you of your other possessions. Like your life. With other people involved in the story saying they didn't want to comment to protect themselves (or similar). Seems like everyone around these two guys knew what they did and kept their mouth shut. They know where they are (likely dead/murdered) but they'd like to know for sure or pressure other people to waste time and resources looking for them when they already (probably) know what happened and the RCMP have dealt with so many of these cases they already know the outcome. The RCMP could be after a bigger fish but they're probably, given the details, fairly certain of what occurred either way (and it does seem fairly obvious given I've never heard of this story and just the details presented in this video). Its a shame the families can't come to terms with their sons behaviors and habits. Seems pretty clear cut unless the RCMP is dirty or complicit.
there are so many young men who have disappeared under very odd circumstances in British Columbia in the last decade or two, all of the same ethnicity, general looks, age, etc. it makes me wonder if something bigger is going on. i always see these types of videos for big cases in the US, and never any that hit this close to home. thank you so much for this amazing video. i hope more creators like you raise this sort of awareness that this stuff happens in canada, especially these really weird disappearance cases in BC. the one that always sits in the back of my mind is Bryan Braumberger, who disappeared minutes away from my elementary school in 2007. his missing person posters are still on the lamp posts on the drive up... its been close to 20 years. his poor family. so many of these cases one after another just make me think more and more that there is something going on with the RCMP. something very corrupt.
I grew up in Lethbridge, LPS is notoriously idiotic and useless. Google them if you want to know more about the dumb things they’ve done over the years. Knowing this it unfortunately doesn’t shock me at all that they let this slide esp knowing their attitudes towards the indigenous community and their lack of care regarding any case involving them. I’m sorry to these men, Marshal I saw your posters for years of my life and always wondered what happened to you. I hope this case is solved in his family’s lifetime, they deserve closure.
Only one of these men was half indigenous, and regardless what you’re saying is a lie, a dangerous one that creates violent animosity towards innocent people.
@@UnityAgainstJewishEvil Did you spend your life seeing them treating indigenous people like trash? Google LPRS and tell me all the stories are bright and cheery. No lies here. They’re playing sonar in homeless encampments now, arresting people for asking for money on the streets and fining them. The evidence is grossly not in the favour of all the displaced Native Blackfoot people on the land. Your comment doesn’t take into account their history of treating indigenous people as second rate. Your history of comments is racist as all hell, personally I’m not here to listen to anyone with hate in their hearts the way you have. Hope you find the peace you need. Please take your nonsense elsewhere.
That's it right there, the level of indifference to the indigenous community is intolerably shameful. I'm White, but grew up near a reserve and had an indigenous friend who was taken from his family by the Catholic church and raised by some local White Catholics. We went to the same convent school and what I witnessed as a child didn't make sense. Looking back, I'm ashamed of the so-called White adults of that community. And while I'm removed from that area by many miles and years, I see little has changed. The cops need a spotlight up their collective asses and a lightening bolt of accountability shoved up it!
It really cannot be overstated how... weird some of the Canadian backcountry can be. I'm from the B.C Interior and have been a hunter since I was old enough to shoot. In the last 20 years I've found six abandoned vehicles, a buried storage container, two pot grow-ops, and by far the creepiest was finding a pair of boots, an empty backpack, and one used shotgun casing just sitting on a rock halfway up a mountain about 15km from the nearest backroad. All of that isn't counting the dozens of run ins with predatory wildlife. It's beautiful land but it demands you respect it or you may not be going home.
That last sentence is incredibly important. Too many fall foul to mere momentary complacency when traversing such regions.
Bears don't burn trucks or remove steering columns, I hope
Yea, the more I head back into the woods, the more I want to unpin some of my gear to hold more. Im at the point where bear run ins aren't as scary as they were, it's the unknown and weird shit. Valemount north and west.... weird things abound
I'm in inner BC as well, many strange things such as multiple cars buried in the gravil pit on our property.
I'm from rural northern california, it's the same here. Go out into the wilderness anywhere near Garberville or Cazadero and you're pretty much guaranteed to find some absolutely bizarre shit
Mans put more effort into the video than the cops did into investigating two missing persons.
Cops don't want to get murdered, injured, or canceled. Any investigation would involve dealing with people who would be involved in criminal activity at the time. You don't want to be the cop that knocks on the front door of an Indian m-lab only to find out how ineffective gun control is.
He gets paid a lot more. In all seriousness,though,how do the police explain the missing steering column? Or the trail of burning clothes leading to the river? It's really upsetting to see all these young native Americans falling to drugs and alcohol,and living in poverty. They are only in these terrible circumstances because a foreign invader came in and forced a soulless,heartless,way of life on them. The natives had a fullfilling,beautiful way of life. Sure,they had their issues too,with tribal wars,etc. But their daily way of life was beautiful and sustainable,and balanced as well. There's no need to "advance" ourselves technologically. There are far too many of us now,and we live unhealthy,stressful,shallow lives. We've completely removed ourself from nature. And it's going to destroy us.
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Great comment, homie you put together a hell of a video sir
@@daemonthorn5888 You could even say... Return to monke
BC/AB resident here. It’s well known that the Hells Angels run most of the drug trafficking operations in small to mid-size towns between Lethbridge to BC. They also have deep ties to local police and RCMP. Many officers are members themselves. Both men got tied into illicit activities with them and they were made to disappear while RCMP are turning a blind eye.
man you weren't joking about putting time in to learning the 3d stuff. this was absolutely gorgeous, and an interesting (and frustrating) story was made all the more intriguing and engrossing by your visuals. great job!!!
I agree, the atmosphere and quality of the visuals is impressive. I thought for sure this was outsourced to some huge production team.
@@theRPGmasterI was just thinking about how much it would cost someone to outsource this when I saw that comment! Wow
I'm so impressed (and inspired!) - I know this is a dark story but I was geeking out about the visuals. They look so good!
@@noway4435 Things like this inspire me to keep creating myself, not outsource. Beautiful work.
eh
I'm fascinated that "removing the steering column of a car in the middle of the woods" was seen as a normal, unsuspicious activity by the RCMP. I actually asked a friend of mine who's really good with cars about this, and he said that it would not be easy to remove a steering column in the woods without tools.
It's an awkward job but a screwdriver and socket wrench set is all you'd need for a truck like that. Reasonable tools one might carry in their vehicle.
Nothing else about the removal of the steering column makes any sense though. It's not going to unbolt itself in a fire, it seems like way too much effort for a drug hiding spot and why would someone even take it?
they stated in the video it was to make sure no evidence on the steering wheel could be found,@@Renderc4t
That struck me too as being odd. Could be that towing the vehicle might be a reason it was removed. It might leave some tell tale sign that the vehicle was impounded by the authorities 👀
Who says they weren't traveling with the right tools? Whoever it was knew what they were doing, they probably knew enough to come equipped to pull off the job.
I cannot believe how the truck has never been removed. I mean, unless the truck was (at the very least) raised up a foot or two, how do we know that both men's bodies weren't placed underneath the vehicle before it was torched? It certainly would have been easy enough to do, as before the tires were destroyed by the fire, the ground clearance would have been more than enough to stuff their bodies. Seems rather negligent on the part of the authorities and detectives to never have explored this option, but then it doesn't seem like they ever gave a rat's ass in the first place. Unreal....
The fact that the police were so reluctant to even consider the possibility of a crime is immensely suspicious
I would say the fact that anyone could say otherwise is because so many assume the cops are basically on the level. It's just objectively suspicious from every angle. Youd have to be a fool to think any coherent story explains any of it
Just Think,, Aren't the Police everywhere run by Our Governments!!! 😢
Canadian police have historically mistreated indigenous people. Taking them when they are drunk out of towns and dumping them in fields to die of exposure has been documented on several occasions. If they aren’t responsible for the disappearances, they certainly did nothing because they dont care about them
not really, canadian police are world-renowned for their low IQ
Cops, people in general, are lazy
One thing I picked up from this was the car still had burning smoke fumes when the tourists found it abandoned meaning the fire took place very recently and the moved items suggests to me that the area was being carefully watched. The whole scene just gives off a very dreary scary feeling. Its like something out of a horror movie.
Agreed. If I came across a burned out vehicle that seemed "fresh," I'd be drawing my sidearm, slowly walking back away, and quickly calling law enforcement. That's gotta be surreal, especially in such a remote area.
@@hughwoatmeigh6999 Exactly what you said 👍 I would be outta there in a heartbeat
The location didn't help matters either
Thank you so much for getting the word out about Marshall. He was an acquaintance, we hung out in the same circle. His disappearance always bothers me. Posters are still up all over southern Alberta. Just felt really off to me.
The RCMP (and Canadian law enforcement in general) are notoriously incompetent to the point where it almost seems intentional.
best part is, the incompetency dates back to its founding and precursor colonial group. you can find tons of videos about missing person and found bodies where despite loads of sus evidence.... the RCMP is just like "idk guys looks like no foul play despite all the things we found that look like foul play." The RCMP are fucking clowns to the max. I see some people saying that they may be corrupt if it is in fact a drug case but honestly I don't think they are smart enough to be corrupt lol. They are too dumb to know how to.
at this point im convinced that when VPD busts fentanyl dealers and steal their drugs instead of arresting them, they peddle it right back into the street for some extra profit.
You mean it's NOT intentional?!?
Definitely seemed intentional in this case. What other reason would these offices have for taking every avenue necessary to avoid it being deemed a criminal case? Id bet my last paycheck that someone high up in this department has ties to the organization responsible for these deaths/disappearances, and they hustled everyone all the way down to the street level patrolmen to write it off as something other than what it clearly is: which is the disposing of a young mans life by nefarious elements operating in that region
The RCMP would never, ever, cover up anything related to someone working for or around them. Never. Perish the thought.
I'm Canadian and this situation is pretty typical of the RCMP. I also do lots of hiking and find weird, unsettling things all the time. It's crazy how much wilderness is out here...how many unsolved cases are out here...
I love Canadians, you are the sane people of the Americas. I am pissed about how your RCMP are completely useless at missing people cases, ESPECIALLY those involving First Nation members!! Isn't there a case with a girl being abducted IN THE MIDDLE OF A PHONE CALL and not one single eye was bat from the govmt.
oooo what kind of unsettling things, if i may inquire.
@@anitahalbleib4141The mysterious killing/disappearances of multiple indigenous people... Mundane, sad, horrible things.
@@itsyaboyj0j0And you come across that often hiking huh?
@@itsyaboyj0j0 People of all kinds of races go missing all the time, why should only indigenous people be focused on?
Dear Barely Sociable,
It's been a while since you posted this, but I only found my way around to it today after I had rewatched your video on the Silk Road for which was... honestly, I've lost count. I just love that video.
This right here was yet another example of masterfully crafted content and gripping storytelling by you. Wherever you are today, whatever you're up to, I hope you're doing alright. I've been around since the beginning of the channels, and I know how quickly you've grown - so please don't put too much pressure on yourself about when to return and what to do next. Whatever you're going to put out next, we'll be here for it, and it will be awesome for sure!
So long, and "have a good night" 🖤
ayo happy birthday to this video
I’m fascinated at how the authorities were of the opinion that there either wasn’t anything strange about the truck site, or it was strange but not so strange that it needed looking into. Ol’ boy scattered his belongings, smashed all his electronics, removed his steering column, and then immolated his freshly paid-off vehicle before walking into the woods to die. Nothing out of the ordinary. Must happen every other month up there.
It does. People get killed during drug deals almost weekly in BC.
The RCMP has always been ineffectual, unless they are covering up the crimes of people like Doug Ford, then they... Also... Have nothing to investigate. Hm.
They probably came to the same conclusion we did in this video: drug dealing gone bad.
I had a friend who became aware his neighbors were dealing meth. He notified the police on their adjacent bad neighbor activities and cooperated with the cops for months. It took about a year before they finally busted them with about 8 different officers.
The authorities are likely aware but don’t want to raise too many flags for their leads or are still building a solid case.
Either the force is in cahoots with the third player or they really don't want to do their jobs.
@@Fanste88as if police ever want to do their actual job
Canadian here, can confirm our police agencies coast to coast are basically Barbrady from South Park… standing over a clear crime scene saying “move along people nothing to see here”… and it’s absolutely infuriating and insulting because like one we pay for this with tax money and two we definitely deserve better “protection” if they wanna justify existing….
As an American, it's sad to me to see that other countries also have shit police. At least yours don't show up (often) and use unwarranted lethal force. I have sworn that if I'm ever in a car crash or something similar, I won't be the one to call the police. I do not trust a single person wearing a badge.
No they’ll just randomly show up and start accosting you or physically pushing you, fine you a couple $100 to meet their ticket quota, and then sue you if you try to argue it. Which I suppose is better than lethal force…
They are pretty good at locking up and investigating people with wrong opinions. When they are motivated they can be surprisingly efficient.
You're lucky. In the U.S. the cops prioritize officer safety first, yet call themselves heroes.
A hero is somebody who puts the safety of others ahead of their own safety. Also, here in Texas, they just made it okay for police to shoot people in the back when they pose no threat.
I'll take incompetence over licensing murders any day.
@@breadforfeet6740how often do you think cops are using unwarranted lethal force?
I am an investigator with over 20 years of experience. I think you make some great points in this video. After reviewing the facts in this case I am of the opinion that these young men ran afoul of an organised criminal enterprise. The fact they went missing in a related vicinity and their disappearances occurred so close together it’s fair to say these cases are related.
The fact that Marshall dropped out of school could possibly indicate he had some type of turmoil going on in his life at that time. Substance abuse issues are a prime candidate for this. And when you have a serious substance abuse problem you will often turn to illicit means of supporting your habit. For some this will mean robbery and other crimes and for others it will mean selling narcotics to fund your habit.
Usually an organised criminal enterprise will recruit dealers to distribute their product. These dealers will store bulk quantities of product so it’s not unusual to have a stash spot. As you mentioned at the end of your video storage units are often used for this purpose. If you are sampling product or trying to skim off the top you can be darned sure that there will be retaliation. Burning out cars is well known in the narcotics trade. It destroys most of your evidence.
Daniel obviously had substance abuse issues. His erratic behaviour would be indicative of this. And the fact his hand was broken with a hammer screams retaliation. Sure. He could have hurt his hand some other way but why lie about it? If it was done as some type of retaliatory punishment then it was most likely done due to a drug debt or because of the theft of something belonging to the criminal enterprise.
The fact that both of these men went missing at the same time and had indicators of illicit activity could suggest these men ran afoul of this criminal enterprise and were exposed to the most severe form of retaliation. Often remote areas are covered by an enforcer or enforcers who will travel from town to town collecting revenue and delivering new product. They may come through periodically to do this. If an enforcer was in the Pemberton area on the days those men went missing that could account for the time period between both disappearances. The fact that everything was torn out of the truck also suggests that whoever did that and burnt the truck was looking for something. By the way, cars don’t burn out like that from a dropped cigarettes. Clearly an accelerant was used. The intense heat charred absolutely everything.
If it was an organised criminal group that was involved it’s unlikely that bodies will be found. These guys are professionals. I’m surprised the police didn’t lock down that site the moment they arrived and had a full forensic investigation done of the crime scene. Yes. It was a crime scene. Who drives out to the middle of nowhere to strew all of their possessions around and then burn the truck you just paid off. Sometimes I have to wonder about the sheer ignorance and laziness of some law enforcement officials. Sadly this didn’t end well. Interesting note, if the police do suspect an organised criminal enterprise was involved in the disappearances and there is a current investigation of that enterprise then police will not announce that until the enterprise investigation has concluded. But that’s just my opinion.
Addendum: For those of you who are critical of this analysis let me just reiterate. This is just my personal opinion based on my experiences and knowledge. You will notice throughout that I use the words could and if. I have since put up an additional comment in this thread that addresses the negative criticism in this thread. Also, for those who are interested I am starting up my own channel with my sister who is a mental health professional. I will handle the investigative/forensic side of things and she will be profiling. It will be centred around infamous unsolved cases. Our first case will be Jack the Ripper for which we have linked new evidence not seen before. This was done by searching historical records from the 1880’s and was aided by the use of geographical profiling software. Our channel is www.youtube.com/@tandcunsolved should you wish to subscribe. We expect our first video to be up in a month. Merry Christmas everyone.
Best comment by far. Thank you for sharing your insight.
Excellent information. Thank you.
Think its cause they were both acting strangely.think police think they walked off into nowhere.
i think the third "shady" guy, was deep in the drug game and was probably a police/government informant...and its possible he's being protected (maybe i watch too many shows lol)
Very interesting comment, thank you!
*Here's my theory on what happened.*
Daniel and Marshal had both gotten tangled up with the wrong crowd, and eventually got themselves into a criminal organization or gang trafficking drugs.
I think it's feasable that Daniel and Marshal didn't know each other, but they may have been part of the same organization. Marshal may have driven the long journey to traffic drugs for the organization either for money, or to pay off his debt. The fact that he visited a storage facility, a known place to store such substances, is indication of this.
I believe both men were struggling with substance abuse. Due to this, they had gotten indebted to this organization and probably owed them a lot of money. Proof of this is clear. Daniel had his hand crushed with a hammer in retaliation (typical behavior from criminals wanting money), but much more telling is the night in the pub where the two men were spotted with a third party.
The shady guy sitting in the car was most likely a guy higher up in the organization. He was there to collect money. That night in the pub was most likely him having a meeting with the two boys telling them that their final debt is due. In desperation, Daniel attempted to withdraw money he didn't have from an ATM.
The fact that Daniel said "I think he's going to kill us" was probably a plea for help. He knew he was on his last legs if he couldn't pay the money he owed, but what could he do? If he got the woman involved, she would most likely have gotten killed as well.
That night, the boys probably failed to pay their debt for the final time, and their punishment was their lives. This third party, maybe with additional backup, killed the boys, disposed the bodies somewhere they will never be found, and drove the car to a remote location to throw police of the trail. Before torching the car, he searched through it, maybe looking for any drugs or other valuables that may have been hidden in it. After setting fire to it he stayed around to wait for the flames to die down, but shortly after it did, he noticed the hikers approaching, so he went into hiding. He stayed in the woods until they were gone, and came back to make sure there were no evidence left behind, then he left.
A criminal organization being involved would also explain why some parties are worried for their own safety, like that one guy who deleted his comments and said he couldn't divulge information. There might very well be a powerful drug organization operating in the area, known to certain locals. This would also explain why a LOT of people seem to go missing in that region. Maybe this organization is so influental that it even has the ability to manipulate police, which would explain the weird behavior from law enforcement.
Just a theory of course, but this is what my instincts are telling me.
Spot on, in my opinion
With the given evidence, this is exactly how I believe it went down. Drug violence is prevalent all over, even in the small rural cities.
Seems a fair assessment. I can't think of any evidence that contradicts it. But I can't fit it all.
1. What was Iwassa for 2.5 hours inside the storage unit?
2. Why was the Red Cooler moved AFTER The hikers had been to that place?
3. Why leave any items, and there were many, outside the car, just to only torch the car? Why not burn everything in one go?
4. Something extra. Why not throw all evidence into the creek so close to the Car, and muddy the investigation even further?
6. Why was Iwassa's Trekking bag missing and not found with the pile of their items?
I have a feeling there is still more to it. Whoever did what they did in this, wanted to leave those clues there for the people to find, but not in a totally obvious spot. Somewhere a bit desolate, yet still where people WOULD come eventually.
I honestly think you solved it 👍🏻
Yeah my instincts are almost exactly like your's.definitly drug's.definitly murders.100%
I lived where Marshal was from when this happened and though I didn't know him personally, I was friends with people who did. I've been posting on True Crime groups over and over along with Reddit. I've spoken to his mom and his sister on multiple occasions. I cannot thank you enough for giving this case the attention it deserves. Thank you so much. I've been to the vigils. I've seen the pain his loved ones hold for him. Thank you for giving them attention.
For everyone else: Please don't let this case be forgotten. Something happened to Marshal and it is so important to keep his story alive. Someone knows what happened to this man. Someone was involved.
Reminds me of a quote of a Mountie about another case, I think also in BC. "People here know something, but they're not talking." I'm paraphrasing, but it's still haunting as hell, like what you said about someone knowing what happened.
Wish I could remember the name of the town. I want to say Kamloops. It's by a lake, and I'm pretty sure it's in the south of the province. Not helpful, I know, but it also featured a burnt vehicle.
Three things to never underestimate: corruption, how tight knit small communities can be, and how many strange things go on out in the woods.
@@WK-47Lindsay Buziak? There are multiple cases out of BC in particular that make it appear to have some of the most corrupt law enforcement agencies out there
We had a similar incident up in northern California a few years ago, except a body was found in the car after the fire was put out....
He lost or used up the product he was supposed to shift and couldn’t pay up. So they got their own ways of dealing with it.
He went to Churchill with me. He was a little older but I remember seeing him around the school all the time. I feel so awful for his family
Law enforcement won't investigate because there is no evidence of foul play... They can't find any evidence because they refuse to investigate.
An absolutely insane catch-22. My heart goes out to the family. It seems law enforcement are part of a cover up.
Nah, Occam's razor... Multiple precincts between multiple provinces are actively covering up a random dude's disappearance
Or... They couldn't solve it right away and just stopped doing their jobs to focus on other things
@ChadVanHalen5150 I mean he might not have been a "random dude". The police get their hands on large scores of drugs. It's not out of the realm of possibility that some dirty cops were using these guys to sell or run the drugs. Also, the police is an ole boys club. If one dept wants something buried, it's going to stay that way unless the other dept is super on the up and up.... which is super super rare. I say this as someone who knows a cop, detective & former fbi agent. They've had numerous conversations around be about dirty cops and how they're pressured to cover for them.
I'm fat because I eat, and I eat because I'm fat
@@ChadVanHalen5150Can't say for the BC RCMP, but the RCMP for Lethbridge is known for fuckin up cases (actually live close to there)
@@burnsloads That's not a catch 22...
I've actually been to the Brian Waddington hut and I can attest the truck is still there. I went in winter of last year for a ski trip, and I remember seeing the truck and not thinking much of it. Random ruined trucks are not an uncommon thing to see on a fire road in BC. I even have a video of my brother climbing up on top and skiing off the hood. Crazy to think about, great video as always.
My wife and I went on honeymoon in BC, and we stayed at port renfrew and at one afternoon we drove up a mountain logging road and came across an abandoned water tanker trailer. I climbed up top and we got some pictures of me on top.
There’s a lot of abandoned stuff in BC especially Vancouver island.
Just looked it up and it seems like they removed it recently
@@crf80fdarkdaysyea someone else commented they went to the area recently and the car was gone
@@eriknervik9003 Sounds like you drove up Forebay road towards the Jordan river Dam
@@MactacFPV
I’m not from the area, and we were just cruising around the area enjoying the forest. But I went on Google earth and best I can retrace where I think we were, we were on a Gordon River Road
I’m not sure where Jordan river dam is, although years ago during my first trip to Vancouver island I slept in my car at a free campground called Jordan River which was on the shores of the Juan de Fuca strait
Neat to see to see a Barely Sociable video from my neck of the woods.
I actually remember seeing a news report about this, and finding it weird that the RCMP did not suspect foul play.
That whole highway is a known drug corridor, and the murders committed by Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky had only occurred just four months prior, and the murder scenes were extremely similar to how Marshal's truck was found.
The RCMP also has a pretty bad reputation in BC when it comes to solving murders and missing persons cases, such as the unsolved murder of Phillip Innes Fraser, the dissapearances and murders on the Highway of Tears(which is a rabbit hole itself), and the delayed arrest of serial killer Clifford Olson, who was even paid $100,000 in a plea bargain for the locations of his victims.
Could also add Robert Pickton to a list of reasons as to why people in BC might not trust how the RCMP handled this case honestly
Incredible. All that deserves a video too.
this whole case to me seems like a cover-up anyway
From an totally objective standpoint I believe this is another cover-up case. In my opinion they were a part of an large organized crime group and were eliminated because of something they had done or knew. It wouldn’t be a surprise since it’s common and there are a lot of other cases such as this one in close proximity. Also I am sure the police department is in on it which is sadly also not so uncommon. I hope this situation as a whole will get resolved some day and bring some answers to the families of the victims not just the ones mentioned in this video but all of the others involved.
I live about 2 hours away from Calgary, so I thought it was so cool to hear a video about a local case for me from one of my favourite youtubers! And on Halloween no less, what a treat! : D
To those who aren't from Canada, if you ever visit here, avoid the RCMP at all costs. They are not your friend. Avoid all interaction with them, don't ask for directions, behave if you are pulled over for a moving violation.
The RCMP are just looking for an excuse to screw you over and they will do so with impunity. They seem awfully lazy and incompetent in this case, but they are just looking for a reason to take you to jail and/or beat you up.
What a ridiculous comment
So like every other country
Just yesterday I was like, "Man I wish there was another Barely Sociable doc to watch." And today my wish was granted. What an eerie, sad story. My heart goes out to these families, and I hope someday they get answers.
Isn’t that crazy how that happens? You wish for it and it comes true lol.
Every sign points to the police knowing about the smuggling and/or being involved. Every sign. And for those who scoff, this happens more often than you'd think. Those officers who aren't directly involved know to keep their mouths shut. The family needs to keep pushing, and having big TH-camrs like you bring attention to the case is fantastic. With enough pressure, hopefully whatever Canadian organization oversees the police will start investigating and expose the corruption that's very likely there (Also, it should be noted that the RCMP has a nasty history of not investigating cases involving natives for some reason, so that could be part of it too).
Ive heard firsthand accounts from people who have been roped into certain police business because the police "caught" them and has enough dirt on them to basically get in on whatever they were doing. Not canadian. From a much smaller country.
No doubt the cops were in cahoots. The real question to me is weather they were paid or threatened 😮 I guessing both, but more importantly threatened to have family hurt. Not an excuse of course, but the most probable explanation.
Anyone who looks at this comment thread should look up the MacLeans article that investigates the claims of Gabriel Wortmann's likelihood of being a police informant (the Nova Scotia mass murderer). They coldly sacrificed their own to keep the secret about his relations with RCMP to protect their own dirty history with infiltrating the black market drug and gun trade- I have no doubt. RCMP is corrupt to its core. My uncle was a commissioner and the things he laughed off is super fucked up.
"for some reason" sounds like the reason is racism, something known to not be uncommon among cops
Absolutely. This is what I was thinking the entire time. There is way too much that’s off about this for it to just be another instance of negligent police work.
I worked in a warehouse with some guys from a reserve way out in the back country. They joke about it, but you could tell they were afraid of the place. Told me you didn't go out at night unless you had to because people would go "missing" in the night.
Canada is so huge but only has a population of 38 million and most Canadians live in or around just a few major cities. The further north you go the less people there are. There's a lot of places to hide in Canada. Easy for people to just go missing.
That spot isn’t even that backcountry. There’s a road. Hikers could easily access the site. I’m sorry to the fam but it’s very likely anyone could have come upon the spot between the first report and RCMP actually making it out there. Hunters, hikers, loggers, etc.
@Tsumami__ yeah but who's gonna remove the steering column and burn the truck out?
@dismurrart6648 Yeah, it's not like the catalytic converter was what was taken.
A steering column has no real value for thieves or anyone else who comes across a whole vehicle
@@Tsumami__ it is pretty backcountry though. Have you actually watched videos of people going to the site? The “road” is old dirt logging road called the Brian waddington trail, it’s a rough trail requiring off road vehicles, and the truck was found nearly 20 miles up this trail in the middle of nowhere. The closest town is pretty small.
I remember hearing about this Case on The Vanished Podcast and the whole thing is so sketchy. The amount of untold stories of those going missing and encountering foul play here in Canada make me think twice. Your retelling of his story is really well done! Very immersive. 👏
I don’t know how many times I’ve read and seen videos that clearly shows the incompetence of the Canadian police. It’s almost unbelievable that nothing is done about it.
"Who watches the watch dogs?"
No one.
I think the cops were in on it or payed off.
Our whole country is broken 😎😎
The entire Canadian parliament gave a standing ovation to a member of the Waffen-SS because he "fought the Russians in ww2" not one of them had the cognitive capacity to critically analyse who exactly would have been fighting the Russians in WW2. So instead they all stood there grinning and clapping.
@TheWorkmonkey1 bruh, I remember reading about that. First thought was, "oh, the Onion is losing its touch."
Welcome back Barely Sociable! We dearly missed you. I checked your Twitter out and hope you are feeling better and things get even better from now on. Your community truly missed you as you are one of the best creators on this website, with a serious tone covering interesting topics with a quality better than most professional documentaries unlike other "mystery" channels.
I hope you are back and continue to deliver videos in the near future, you are unique in this part of youtube for the sheer quality and good topics.
We love you brother, hope you are alright today.
Any upload from Barely Sociable is a breath of fresh good air in the mystery side of youtube because every "mystery youtuber" does nowadays is talking about "muh creepy ARG/creepypasta/web series" cringefest.
@@POLARTTYRTMARGs can be pretty interesting if they're well made. Like the Mandela Catalogue or Mystery Flesh Pit National Park.
@@ThwipThwipBoomthe problem is: Most are the polar opposite of "Well made".
Please edit your content for the algorithm in the future. Your extremely slow narration, extremely long fades to black and video sections with no content really makes it hard to watch the full video.
@@gandalf_thegrey Then ignore the bad ones and only focus on the good ones like I do. There are quite a few of them to dive into.
There's nothing more frightening than seeing, plainly, how the law only cares about your well-being if it has some value. If you're a "nobody" you just get forgotten in paperwork.
%100 would have been a criminal investigation if they had life insurance...
And a lot of that depends on whether you have people in your life willing to make a big deal about your disappearance and pressure the police into acting. In this case, however, not even the public pressure from the family got them to budge. But if this was a guy with nobody missing him, they definitely wouldn’t have to issue a press release.
@@OlYablesHe has lots of family here in Lethbridge missing him 😢
I'm not Canadian, but thought at first he might be guilty of being indigenous and being problematic. I see that he's not; he must be at least 4th generation Asian Canadian. On the other hand, if I went missing, no one in LE would be interested in finding me, either, and I come from hundreds of years of US citizenry.
I thoroughly understand the frustration of the family. I will stay up to date on the case as best I can. This stinks of LE incompetence or cover-up. Or both.
@@MelissaThompson432guilty of being indigenous? Wtf?
I very much enjoy your channel. Your explorations of events and reconstructive graphics are the gold standard. Keep them coming!!
I have an extended family member a cousin who was older than me who was murdered and they found his truck burned out on top of a mountain close by. He hadn't shown up to visitation for a weekend with his only daughter. This was enough to send literally every single one of us into a panic. He wouldn't have even been late to pick up his baby girl, much less just not show up at all. Within the hour he was supposed to be there his ex-wife had contacted everyone. Within 2 hours of him not arriving we'd all called every hospital and police station between the 2 County's he would have traveled through to get from his home and our county where his daughter lived. We did find out that he had worked a regular day and left work at a normal time. We tried to report him missing but they weren't very worried about an adult male missing on a Friday night from visitation weekend. Come Monday morning he didn't report to work. This was when they finally took a missing person's report. 6 days later they found his truck up on a well-known mountain at the very end of a road. There wasn't any reason any of us could think of as to why he would have been there. Keep in mind this cousin was huge, huge in a muscular way. He literally won a Sylvester Stallone look alike contest at one point. So he would have easily felt safe in the presence of almost anyone. Of course, he didn't happen to be a psychopath so he never thought about someone pulling out a gun on him instead of fighting fairly. (Small town guy) So found the truck burned to a crisp, but no sign of him or what happened to him either. He was missing for years, 6 I think, but I genuinely don't remember exactly. Then some boys were hiking up there where the truck was found. They found a human skull. They reported it, and a forensics team found 6 shallow burial spots. Someone killed him, and dismembered his body and buried him in a circular pattern. An arm, then his other, his head in another, then his legs each in their own graves, and his torso. This is still an open case. They believe that he had gotten involved in drugs or something illegal and that the cartel got him. The police won't really tell us anything so we don't know if the cartel stuff is just a rumor that is unfounded or not. We do know that he had been shot in the back of the head several times. This has been unsolved for years and years now. We honestly don't believe it will ever be solved either. There was no evidence at all. So unless someone talks we will likely never know. I have never mentioned this even though I watch and comment quite a bit on true crime content bc it sounds so damn unbelievable. Hell, I don't think i would believe it if I read this story in a comment either! I assure you that I am telling everything truthfully tho. I would never make something up this horrible.
Least unhinged Trump supporter.
I'm sorry to hear about this. I hope it does get solved so you and your family can have some closure and justice.
I was with you until you started saying you wouldn't believe this story if you read it, the disclaimer you put at the end is literally the only thing that makes this story sound "fake" to me
@@stivonbright802 TDS.
@LucasTirey It's not, I wish it was. It sounds crazy to me, and I was involved in real life. To me, it seems like it should be a plot in a terrible movie.
I would like to mention that according to a post made by the Varsity Outdoor Club, during the renovations of the Brian Waddington Hut, whose roof collapsed due to an excess buildup of snow, Marshal's truck was cut up and removed via helicopter on or before October 15th of this year and is no longer out in the woods. Any evidence of its abandonment has been cleaned up and removed as well, and the trail is back to normal. A little disappointing, since no answers are now able to come of it, as the truck was sent to a scrapyard and is presumably being disposed of entirely.
Thank you for the update I missed this
Do you think they may have taken the truck parts as evidence for a future case? That's always a possibility, too.
@@scootermom1791 if so they almost certainly wouldn't have cut it up. I highly doubt any authorities have held onto the wreck
@@scootermom1791hahaha cops? I don’t think so. They are way too lazy
@@WowCoolHorse Helicopter to a scap yard ? $$$$$ A tow truck could get in there No it was taken as evidence and yes you can still use it if it was in segments.They would take the segments they need with evidence done all the time. Could of left the truck there for bait to see who came back. I Have used wildlife recoreders hidden in trees to catch thieves and thieves use them to see when people leave their home
The production quality of this video is absolutely insane mate, it's clear how much you've put into this - from research to visuals. Brilliant work and incredibly informative
Seriously?? I've never in my life sat through a more boring and disjointed mess of a (can't even call it this) so called documentary😮😮
@@shirmeymckamey9386 yea how dare he forgot to plastered a funny family guy moment beneath for people with attention span of a toddler!! I can't believe this!
@@aconfusedlacroix3965 reading your post, I can't believe you ever went to school at all. Not even kindegrarten
@@shirmeymckamey9386 said the kid who can't spell 😂 next time try harder besides insulting people uploads alright? Im sure the school going to teach you one or two things 🤗
Agreed!
Great video. Awesome really. My stomach was in a knot at the beginning of the video. The tension is unbelievable. UNBELIEVABLE. AMAZING. Thank you.
I lived in Squamish during this time and remember seeing Daniel's missing person posters around town. Until now I had no clue how deep and weird this story had become. Thank you so much for sharing!
You clearly put a lot of effort into ensuring the viewer's time is well spent. Your efforts are not wasted, friend. Thank you, so much for this.
As mentioned several times, arson is a criminal activity and beings the steering wheel was removed that kind of indicates the truck didn't catch fire and burn by itself. Some serious questions should be put to the RCMP by some authority that has the right to demand answers. Unbelievable.
I agree with you 100%.
Did the police check the body of water nearby for human remains?
@@cherylcooper188514:29 in video
Nope, it seems it isn't criminal if Marshal did it because the truck was wholly owned by him, and it wasn't an inhabited building. So, no crime. They weren't lying.
@@cherylcooper1885yes, it's in the video. They found nothing
It’s well known that law enforcement doesn’t care about the indigenous people in Canada. It’s criminal how they treat the missing/murdered indigenous cases. It’s exactly how they treat missing or murdered working girls. They don’t give an it! One less in their eye. So frustrating and sad. Great video.
True. 💔
Came here to say this!
What?
It's also well known that Canada has a lot of backwoods precincts with little employees/resources, and there's a "code of silence" in reservations where people won't/don't help work with the police or report stuff as much as they should (whether they they feel justified in doing so or not). Unfortunately there's many issues
Just to be clear Marshall iwassa is japanese & canadian .
Marshall is my distant cousin & the iwassa family is japanese decent
I am originally from southwestern British Columbia. This is far from the only example of young men disappearing under mysterious circumstances and it being ignored or dismissed by the police. Kristofer Couture is another prime example.
Not just young men. Native girls have been disappearing for many decades with practically no comprehensive investigations into them. It's so f*cked up how racist and corrupt the cops are. Many are bought and paid for by our main drug network under the Hell's Angels.
Sasquatch?
reminds me of the boys on the tracks conspiracy clearly someone high up is covering up any links to a drug trade operation
perhaps our hills have eyes@@1694cgrnt
@@agoodnight1050samsquanch
I lived in Pemberton when they found Marshal’s truck and I know there is so much more to this story than officials are letting on. There is something nefarious going on in that area and it is being ignored or covered up. I always had an uncomfortable feeling living there, I didn’t have that safe “small-town” feeling
It's drugs. That's the likely answer.
Like Moscow Idaho .
Drugs are simply natural chemicals we've isolate from plants.....
RELIGION is probably what it is....
Pemberton is owned. It has owners.
@@truthspeaks623go on..plz ❤
Normally I stick these types of stories on, flip my phone round, close my eyes and fall asleep half way through - not with this one, it’s visually engrossing, well written and interesting. Thank you
I’m in bed and usually fall asleep to stories but I have a feeling I won’t be while this one is on
I actually did exactly that on this one lol. Now I have to try and rewatch it bc I missed pretty much the entire thing
Same.
Same thing for me
I get so annoyed with the police using school attendance to dismiss looking for a missing person. There was one case I heard recently that they used the missing person's school attendance after she went missing to dismiss her case. Allowing her murder to walk among us for 2 decades before a podcaster solved the case by himself.
How incredibly sad!!! Sounds like the RCMP are becoming as lazy & corrupt as American police (yes, I'm American...from Buffalo NY)
What pod?
Holy sh!t this man is actually still alive! I was beginning to think the music industry did something to keep him from exposing more of their secrets!
he's really active on twitter and posts teasers for videos
Is he also active on MySpace and Friendster? Does he frequently update his Livejournal?@@Ahamkeira
Part 2 When??
Or the Iguana skins cartel!
I kinda think they did. This is a new space pattern for him, he didn't use to pause like that. It feels like text to speech
It’s always good to see a barely sociable video pop up
I genuinely thought they dipped from the platform completely.
i’m always in disbelief for a second when i see one pop up 😂
Barley social.
Hell yeah, it is !!!
I thought something happened to him was tell my husband last week
Missing Canadian Indigenous men and women in Canada has been an on going problem and many of them go unsolved. It was super interesting to watch a video about Daniel, when rarely any of the disappearances get this level of detail in cover. High quality stuff, really enjoyed watching this.
It's sadly much higher of a percentage to go missing and not ever found for Native Americans also.
Why does their race have to be the center of focus over people of other races?
@@alexhidell8022 Read that first sentence again and turn on your brain this time. Race is being mentioned because race is relevant here
Not true at all
@@Matt-bs9ymlook up some basic stats.
Thank you SO much for your videos. I’ve been listening to them while working on a sewing project and realized I watched every single one, whoops! Keep it up, you rule
'Ello!!
@@Rick_Clelandhello Rick, hello
One of the hardest working true crime/mystery youtubers out there. The research, narration, 3d animations, etc. This is incredible quality stuff. Great video!
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I'm not Canadian or American, so my experience is limited to what I see online, but the more I find out about the RCMP, the more I'm convince the organisation is utterly riddled with corruption (or incompetence) from top to bottom.
I'm canadian. you're correct
You looklike a mook😮
Keep your dummass opinion silent if you know shiy about rcmp. They keep canada safe from scum. God bless the mounties. ❤
Sad but true. The rcmp have been used for political blackmailing & the gov't lap dog for quite a while. The rot starts at the top
As a Canadian you are absolutely correct
This screams drug trafficking. And yes both seemed to be connected
I just wanted to let you know I got the best night of sleep in awhile because of this video. Not that it's boring...your voice is just soooooo relaxing. Thank YOU!!
I once dated a US Federal Agent. She said if you want a strong organization that will thoroughly investigate a crime, you don’t go to the R.C.M.P. She said they always seem to be more concerned about their bowling league score and having their picture taken at a community event while in their “cute” dress uniform.
I've heard some things about the RCMP along the same lines. Maybe it's because the Canadian justice system as a whole is kind of a joke. Letting murderers out in society and allowing them to change their names to hide in plain sight, for instance. I do have to give them credit for notifying the local police in my city, at the other side of the US, of a child predator in our midst. They were investigating CP and they tracked some images to a man here.
@@thedeviouspanda and that man was let loose by canadian law, mr swirl wasnt it ?
True dope released a middle eastern terrorist who killed 2 US service members (who had been convicted of 1st degree murder twice as well as terrorism charges being part of al-queda or the taliban (can’t member which one). He served part of his time in gitmo and asked to be transferred to Canada to serve out his sentence since he was a Canadian citizen by birth.
And not only did he release him, but gave him 10 million dollars and paraded him around like a hero… 🤦♂️ Absolutely disgusting and truly insane.
@MikeOxlong- sounds like he killed two soldiers while at war, got captured and then tortured. Good thing he got released then.
@@MikeOxlong- sounds like he was a prisoner of war. why shouldn't he be free?
The picture that's been painted is terrifying. Truck taken to the middle of nowhere (a truck he somehow paid off) and torched with a missing steering wheel. A "scary dude" reportedly seen with both at the same time, having power over the both of them. And the scene supposedly having signs someone might've been burned alive. Sounds like someone knew what they were doing, professional even. I doubt either missing man will ever just reappear.
Not very professional if the dude ran to the creek on fire lol the opposite
@@bruderschweigen6889 have they been caught yet? No.
It’s very obviously drug trade related. The scary man was likely an enforcer collecting on a debt. The broken hand being shattered by a hammer was the warning
@@HCG that sounds about right. one thing i was thinking was whoever drove the truck back there, knew about the cabin and knew nobody was gonna be there because why would you risk going back there of all places? i'm sure they offed the two guys somewhere else. weird they didn't burn the clothes and stuff unless they just wanted the authorities to focus the investigation there and not where it actually went down. but i also think the cops are probably in on it.
@@XX-121 this kinda reminds of the boys on the tracks case from the 70’s where the police and even the fbi are heavily suspected in being part of the drug trade
The more I hear about the RCMP the more I believe they just don't give a crap about anyone with native/ethnic blood, unless the family throws a fit and goes public with their criticisms of them. This is ridiculous. Even if there is not foul play they still deserve to be searched for extensively. Both these poor men deserve more, they deserve to be brought back to their families, in whatever way, and to have whatever justice they can get. The RCMP needs to do better.
same thing here in the states, but its defo something ive always heard about the RCMP, the plain refusal to consider a crime can happen to any indigenous person when theres the vague (usually ignorant of some evidence) possibility they just wandered off into the woods or ran away ^-^ -_-
They need to have a law suit thrown at them.
@@patricknoveski6409it won't go anywhere
The RCMP were used as a paramilitary force to 'control' indigenous ppl historically. And were/ are responsible for a LOT of violence against indigenous pl. They were used to force kids to go to residential schools. Were they were legally mandated to kidnap indigenous kids and bring them to those school. They have a long history of sexual violence. Against all women. And especially Indigenous woman and girls. They are corrupt af. And often do more harm to ppl then good. As all cops were created to protect property of those in power. Not ppl.
@@patricknoveski6409 They've investigated themselves multiple times and found no wrongdoing!
Dude. You are a master of this. This vid and the Silk Road. Absolutely enthralling. Bravo!
The tampering part can easily be explained by bears in the area. The moved part is a cooler, it possibly smelled of food. (wrote this before finishing the video.)
The drug running conclusion is most likely true. Using old broken electronics is a good way to conceal things as noted. It could also be that the car wheel airbag area was used to store drugs or money. It's a place police rarely look.
Could also just be people have gone up there and messed around with stuff. Those people that found it put a post out to their group but plentyvof others could have decided to use the trail in that couple of days between and when they saw everything up there, just got curious and started messing with stuff. Anyone without prior knowledge wouldn't automatically think "crime scene" because they'd have figured if it was, cope would have taped it off or picked up anything relevant already.
Even just random people. It's probably fairly common for people to go up there without signing up, and if they happened on the scene maybe they decided to rummage around.
@@mommy2libras True. You might not realise how fresh the scene is, thinking it's an old abandoned car sitting there for months. Also, some people just don't care, they'd look around for stuff to find. But my bet is on a bear. There's way more bears than people there at night I assume.
@@mommy2librasunlikely. How often do random people just mess around with random stuff they find?
It makes no sense, humans still have an instinct to stay away from other's belongings. Just like every other animal
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but, I thought that I seen some money laying on the ground amongst everything thrown around.
It's wild to me that Daniel's family member reported his car as "abandoned" and had it towed rather than moving it to his home for him. Not to mention the fact that despite knowing his car was "abandoned" (as they claimed), no one filed a missing person's report for another 6 weeks.
He couch surfed and didn’t really have a home, which is why both things happened, with a big family and being relatively single, he would move around a lot. Everyone assumed he was somewhere else…Uncle didn’t know where to move it since he had no home… trust me the family organized a search party and did their best, looking for him in wet snow all around the area
If you've had family members like Daniel you would know that taking care of them over a long period of time gets exhausting, it's wierd but kind of understandable.
They probably didnt have the keys to move it.
@@Joseph-rx9tpthe car was running when it was found
Keep in mind Daniel was a member of the First Nations. The police are notoriously bad at investigating First Nations cases. It's entirely possible the family was like "cops aren't going to care anyway, we're going to wait a bit and see if he turns up. He has before." It looks weird if you're not part of that community, but...yeah, I can definitely see them just assuming the police wouldn't help. (And look what happened.)
I am never shocked when I see videos on Canadian true crime that are classified by police as 'not suspicious' especially when the circumstances are so outlandish... its such a common theme here and it's so sad that we as a country and as communities pay taxes to employ these people and they can't/won't seek justice even a little bit... the deaths that have not be solved and have even been CAUSED by police negligence is so disgusting and sad...
Money and ressources are limited here in Canada for investigations ,it is sad , this was a tough area to search and privacy laws makes it difficult to follow any cases here ,even if the public wants to help , not enough infos are public compare to the state , but we are a big country but only 40 millions spread from east to west , compare to the states ..they have areas that contains more people than in our entire country ! They have way more ressources and money and police forces !
@@AB-by8xuI think a lot of people don't realize that it's not necessarily a "cop" thing, it's a "money" thing. Cops in rural areas like this have massive caseloads, and there's no 'Detectives' to take on these missing person Investigations. The same cops who respond to your regular disturbances and break-ins and whatnot also are responsible for these Investigations, and there's nobody else they can pass the buck to. So if the basic search doesn't reveal any substantial evidence or further leads, it's file closed and onto the next.
I am at an absolute loss of words and disgusted by the incompetence of the RCMP displayed in this case. What makes it even worse is knowing about the horrors they let Robert Pickton get away with for so long and not at all that far away. Canadian authorities are so blatantly unbothered by the suffering of so many (especially indigenous) people and completely disregard their duty to look into and preventing these cases. I live across the globe but my heart is breaking for anyone who knew these people and is affected by this. No human being should have to face these circumstances.
The 3D graphics on this video are phenomenal though, great work
This video was of a higher caliber than television or streaming services' comparable programs. Thank you for continually creating excellent content.
Easily, his videos always are
People said the same thing about “Down the Rabbit Hole” before the creator disappeared, now he gets slammed for being a furry 😂
@@EntertainMeTVas it should be
Dude i literally just saw a missing poster for this guy two days ago. The circumstances looked real suspicious and i really wanted to know more since its somewhat close to home.
I really dislike the RCMP they do this all the time. I swear our province has several obvious serial killers just roaming around murdering people not to mention organized crime hits.... it happens all the time and they say theres nothing suspicious all the time.... its ludicrous. Its even worse if the victim is a sex worker or native woman then its almost guaranteed not to be adequately investigated. Its a shameful excuse for detective work, and the RCMP as a whole is racist, disaffected, and useless.
Very obvious when hearing the story about the rich want to be pig farmer serial killer, torturing and murdering east side Vancouver sex workers. No investigation despite overwhelming evidence, but the second they hear about possible illegal firearms they are immediately on the way to arrest the guy.
Everything is racist. All of it.
Amen. Any sort of interaction with a mounty around here will showcase just how stupid, arrogant, and uncaring the average officer is. All the good ones already left, we're stuck with the dregs
I second this. The multiple bodies found around false creek stating no connection?
You sound racist.
What a fantastically well produced and narrated documentary, I hope the truth outs in the end. Many thanks for your efforts in this production.
You cannot convince me that a cop or someone with a cop in their pocket wasn't involved
I know and I can attest to that
Police in BC being incompetent is not surprising. We have multiple active serial killers and the police and government refuse to respond in any way. Hundreds of innocent women lost.
Maybe if you'd all read the map properly, or learned to use a GPS.
@@AlwaysEast You definitely have lost your moral compass.
@@AlwaysEastyou sound like serial killer
The police aren’t incompetent, they just don’t give a shit about First Nations people.
Funny how when RCMP was 100% white males they were the best in the world. Now that diversity rules, they are terrible. Women like you completely fail to comprehend it is women like you voting far left that is the problem.
A guy who was known to have a neat, organized vehicle also had a storage unit in a state where he'd need 2.5 hours to find something?
Ir seems like 2.5 hours would be exactly the amount of time someone would need to get really, really high during an extremely stressful situation. He apparently waited desperately outside in tge cold for hours before dawn to access a storage unit, a unit where he could have stashed a large amount that he was possibly skimming from. Then he went missing after being seen with a potential drug enforcer. Just a hypothetical.
As a BC native whose worked in forrestry I have to say burnt out cars in the woods isn’t really a sign of murder.. the belongings laying about is more disturbing, but if the car was abandoned for any decent period of time some group or drunken kids are bound to burn the truck down and trash it up. The truck might have been stripped for parts before it was burned.
I’ve seen all sorts of abandoned things in the most isolated of areas. It’s sad to say this man was never found but I’m not surprised the cops didn’t think too much into it.
I’ve personally seen kids pitch a few hundred bucks together to buy a beater car to rally on dirt roads for a day or two and light on fire 😂
The RCMP seems like the laziest police force ever.
'You want to do the investigation or go watch curling, eh?'
'Ya, he musta just wandered off into the forest'.
'Yep, makes sense, case closed'.
RCMP are too busy guarding the local Tim Horton's
@@billclay9511 Indeed, have to protect Canada's National Heritage.
The Lethbridge Police Department was probably too busy repeatedly running over deer to care about criminal investigations
(I'm not making up the deer thing, there's a video of it from around the time)
AND CORRUPT
RCMP is a for profit Corp. No money in searching for 1 person in the woods.
I really appreciate the effort and quality content you put into your videos, you dont just regurgitate a topic thats already been covered. Wish i could sub twice
You can make as many accounts as you want and sub with each one
Or worse, endless icebergs - hopefully those are going out of fashion soon, right?
Or hit the like twice. This is one of the few channels I eagerly wait to see new uploads from, its always going to be time well spent.
Canada mentioned RAAAAAA
I totally agree!!! he's one of the best creators on TH-cam. we don't even deserve Barely Sociable.
2 mins in and absolutely blown away by the production value, effort and just all round cinematic style in these 3D animations. Fair play man, always worth the wait. Keep up the great work you talented soul!
It's scary what you come across in the woods, me and my little sis live in the mountains of Colorado and went on a hike, we found two abandoned vehicles, two shell casings, and nearby, a police sketch on a building that scared the hell out of us, and while on the trail heading back home, out of all things, we found an engine block of some kind fully buried under the dirt on the trail, took our fingers and some brushing to figure out what it was, how the hell it wound up there and for how long, we do not know. Never know what you'll come across, keep posting, stay safe!!!
Try the Vast empty Desert 🏜. I've seen and heard many things . Especially the Big Great Basin
Wow, that's one hell of a mystery. Can't imagine losing a family member like that and not knowing a single clue as to what happened. I've heard a lot of stories of people just going missing, but rarely do they have this many questions. Great vid man
As someone who grew up in a part of the US with a lot of drug trafficking largely due to the combined proximity to the border and lesser acknowledged status of my home state compared to others, it's easy for someone to get dragged into the drug trade, whether they like it or not sometimes. I can't really speak for what these men went through, but it sounds like "Tying up loose ends" to me, and it's tragic if that is what happened. Now we can only pray their families get closure.
How does one get dragged in to the drug trade? That's surprising
@@thewritinglefty4889buying drugs and then when you're hooked you're probably going to become indebted to them. Don't pay the debts? Well, too bad. This whole story sounds like he got involved with drugs, got hooked, got indebted (stopped going to college cause of either no money or drug habit was taking over), and couldn't pay.
Easy: The lure of easy money, and a lot of bills to pay...Sounds like they were just mules, and a shipment got stolen...For people that doesn't happen to without people dying...It becomes more about the message, than the drugs that were lost...
@Mijinmatt I'm from the same city as Marshall as well in his missing Facebook page. There are many comments from his family and friends saying that Marshall wasn't a drug user.
@@realcanadiangirl64 One doesn't need to use drugs to traffic them...Did he gamble??? That could also explain his disappearance...Basically, the police will NEVER investigate unless whatever illegal he was mixed up with is known...Someone in his circle of friends knows more than they are letting on...
This is by far and away my favorite production of "Barely Sociable."
If the steering column was removed and is missing that means someone else was driving his vehicle, at least at the end, and someone else had to follow in another vehicle to take whoever was driving his vehicle and the steering column out of there. If they had investigated at all it would've been simple to check gas station security footage for his vehicle and the follow vehicle. They probably lit the bodies on fire to remove evidence and then threw them in the river before fully torching the vehicle. The reason you torch a vehicle is because you 'the killer' were in there and need to destroy DNA evidence.
Everything seems reasonable as a guy trying to disappear up until the steering column being missing. There's no way anyone could see that and not start a criminal investigation, unless of course they knew exactly what happened and were covering it up. The fact that we have one native drifter and one college drop out really makes it seem like the cops didn't care as long as it couldn't be tied to them and they didn't touch anyone important. A shame when blatant corruption like that can be swept under the rug so easily
The steering column is among the biggest red flags to me as well.
you are right but why would anyone want to hurt him, hes not into drugs, not into a lot of money just a normal college age dude, people like him are usally not murdered unless there is some big reason neither of these cases makes any sense
@@redred222 you can easily speculate at some point Marshall had exposure to or became involved in the drug trade. The amount of circumstantial evidence littered throughout this video shows that. It's sad watching his family in interviews clearly oblivious to this.
Why remove a steering column and not just let it burn???
I've hiked that trail a number of times and have seen the slow disintegration of Marshal's truck. At the time of the disappearances, it appears that the road was considered 4WD only if you wanted to reach the end (more recent logging has improved the road quality but stops about 200m short of where the truck rests). The whole road is almost 6km long. If there were two vehicles (which seems likely in order to take the driver and steering column away), it would have taken some time to drive up, destroy the vehicle, and drive back down again. The trail doesn't see huge traffic but it is well known and it is not unknown for hikers to do an early winter trip to the cabin at the same time of year as the disappearances - including hiking up at night. So the perpetrators were taking a pretty big risk to use this road as their dumping area (this is, by far, the most out-of-the-way dump I've seen - other wrecks I have seen have usually been just a km or so up a logging road or even right on the main road). There's a not insignificant risk of someone seeing them on their way in or out. So they knew the area well enough to know that there was a road there but probably not well enough to know that the road was in poor shape or that it was well travelled.
I always wondered why no one ever seemed afraid of being caught on a hidden trail camera until I ended up working with law enforcement. (Not in, but with - I was a firefighter.) We had a string of arsons in one specific spot. I told the cops to put a game camera there and they acted like it was such a novel idea. Ended up catching the guy in a few weeks. Just a mentally disturbed guy, no real reason to be setting fires.
This is why we love Barely. A relatively well covered story approached from different angles and told in such a compelling fashion.
I think the extremely telling piece on the case is the left behind guitar the authorities just happened to find and pick up. That’s wildly suspicious
When the world needed him the most, he returned.
Good to have you back man, can't wait to see what you have planned for the future and hope you're doing well my guy
I just came across this channel and subscribed. It has all the bells and whistles that other channels just don't have. The narrator's voice is captivating, the visuals are mesmerizing and the music and sound effects makes you feel like you are there. It's all so wonderfully done that if you hook this up to a huge screen it feels like you are present or in a movie theater, but better!!! Excellent work!! 👏👏👏👏👏 So glad I came across your channel 🎉
I feel the same way. There are only a few channels that I get really excited when they drop a new video and this is on that short list!
Holy crap I've been on this trail before, always wondered what the truck was about. Didn't know there was such a story behind it.
Just one update after watching the video, the Waddington Hut trail and the Tolkien mountain range above aren't wholly unknown to hikers, especially students of University of British Columbia where the Varsity Outdoors Club stems from.
I encountered three other groups during my hike there last year in the early fall. There's a chance the evidence was tampered by another hiker coming through to the hut. The club has records of lodgings that are paid for, perhaps they have history of who went through the trail in the relevant dates?
Incredible video!
I can't believe how well you cover these topics! Always so informative yet super creepy. Keep it up!
I love a content creator who truly researches the topic they are making their videos about. Barely Sociable not only does impeccable research, but also provides new insights, includes as much information/evidence as possible- which is almost always well above and beyond what any other person covering the topic would give-, and brings it all together with some of the best “storytelling” and editing I’ve ever had the pleasure to view.
This particular situation is one I’d never heard of or seen before, and it really is an enigmatic set of circumstances. There seems to be quite a large amount of evidence that- for no discernible reason- law enforcement has chosen to ignore or blatantly disregard. The whole thing almost comes across as something that law enforcement perhaps has a much greater understanding about but will not act upon the knowledge they have. Worrying and extremely saddening for those family members and friends who have been affected by this bizarre tragedy. I hope that the continued coverage will spur the investigation to continue to be conducted until a conclusion is reached.
There’s so many holes in this story because of the lack of investigation by police. It’s kind of surprising to me that they put so little into this case when so many family and community members pressuring them. Strange set of circumstances that’s for sure. Hopefully it’ll get the attention it deserves one day for the families sake. Nothing could be worse than not knowing what happened or where they are.
I doubt we know all that the police know even. This is a third hand retelling after all, with no sources cited.
To be fair to the police, many of the "holes" are actually due to family members supposedly accepting stupid shit on the part of people they claim to care about and giving police outrageous timelines regarding when/where/if they even last saw them.
It seems like just about everyone they mentioned knows far more than they are claiming to know.
As to Cody, my uncle was a homicide detective for San Diego. He never believed in coincidences. It is no coincidence that people knew who Cody Louis was.
Equally strange is that the narrator mentions that the steering gear was removed. Well that wasn't just pulled off. It had to be removed with tools... BEFORE that car was set on fire. Let that sink in. This wasn't a fire set in the heat of the moment. There wasn't a single thing about the ditching of that car that wasn't planned out.
With all the stories I have seen over the years, the RCMP is the most incompetant group I have ever seen. My heart goes out to these familys and hope they can find peace.
Corruption is everywhere these days. Gone are the days of loyalty and morals. Corruption disguised as incompetence?
Ha, a year or so ago I said to my self the same thing, I have listened to a lot of true crime podcast and some bad ones, most of the worst police stuff ups or badly investigated crimes were of the RCMP , I’m a kiwi and was always under the assumption they were very good, but apparently not at all.
@@kerryhayward9407 you'd think a group that receives 3 times the amount of funding our armed forces receive would make them half-decent.
Nope, incompetent trash.
Maybe if they traded in thor horses for cars, they'd be more competent.
@@kerryhayward9407 I'm American and there are always things coming up about the FBI. I used to think RCMP were better, but research shows not so, especially in regards to Native Americans.
You’re the best at this. Your scripts, visual production, voice work, and general attitude and approach. I wish you would publish a bit more often.
One man who cares, with some time and a Facebook account, pieces together more than an entire Canadian PD can, or will, over months. Simply because, apparently, they just don't care. That or this 'shady character' is a relative to an officer (hence them picking up the guitar), and this isn't a lack of concern, but a premeditated attempt to cover for someone.
Oh yeah, this is a very obvious case of police corruption and cover-up. It's not even a question.
what I was thinking as well, probably some corrupted cop was involved and they didn't want to hurt their rep? :s
More like he did more than the Canadian equivalent of the FBI. RCMP are notoriously useless when it comes to thefts and missing persons, because of their reputation recruitment has been down for a long time and it's painfully obvious what's left are egotistical narcissists in it for the uniform and power. Perfect example of why a police force should not be federal
Or its good old Canadian racism. You think the US Cops are bad, try Canada.
Simply listening to what his family has said has gotten me more information than what the police has posted or revealed.
While I think it is possible that both men were linked to the same drug trade, it seems kind of unlikely seeing as how they lived 14 hours apart and in different provinces. I wont speculate too much on what happened because I dont know, but I also wont discount that the witness’s testimony from the bar may have been fabricated or embellished in some way. What I CAN say is that if you dont know, this is very typical RCMP behaviour when it comes to missing persons cases involving someone from an indigenous background. If you know the history of the RCMP, you will understand why. I think its unlikely corruption was involved, and this is another case of gross negligence and a lack of fuck given by authorities, regardless of what caused the disappearances.
I would not discount the large distance. Drug ring operations cover huge ground, especially in expansive and sparsely populated areas like Canada.
@@stonesofveniceI agree, a lot of small towns in BC have some crazy drug labs and there’s been spikes in overdoses.
The RCMP are both corrupt and negligent. The way they’ve handled missing Indigenous peoples as well as the “starlight tours” in Saskatoon are examples of both.
Canada is sparsely populated. Large distances between drug rings would be pretty common. More than 10 years ago, when I was in the "business," it was not uncommon to have people come in from provinces as far away as Manitoba to where I was on the west coast to pick up stuff and drive it back over. I haven't been in that lifestyle for years, but I doubt it's changed much.
I’m horrified that the case wasn’t classified as criminal! It’s unfathomable.
Very likely he killed himself. Making a mountain out of a molehill. That and shitty police work
Patiently awaiting the return of the goat been checking in more recently ik it’s coming soon
This is downright LEMMiNO levels of quality, truly impressive how much your videography has improved as I've been watching you over the years.
This is a HUGE step up in terms of production quality, massive congrats on all the hard work Mr.Barely, it's paying off!
The hikers who found the truck said they had an eerie feeling. I think there was probably someone still there. They could’ve hid because they would’ve heard the hikers’ vehicle coming. They watched the hikers and the hikers left shortly after. Then the person emerged and destroyed evidence further, just in case. After that they took off, knowing the hikers would have contacted law enforcement.
This location is quite remote. About an hour's drive from the closest public transit to take a perpetrator away. The hike back down to the Blackwater road is 6km. But the Blackwater road itself dead-ends at a park another 2km along. So you'd have to go another 13.5km in the other direction to get to the highway where you can consider yourself escaped. If there was a car parked along this route, I'm pretty sure the hikers who discovered the crime scene would have noted that. And people live along the Blackwater (not many, but some) and they might have noticed someone walking down the road. A second car most likely drove up with the victims. I don't know what to make of the disturbed evidence.
I mean... do you really need anything else than burned car and personal items tossed around to have eerie feeling? IDK, maybe I live in a quiet neighbourhood, but it would be quite eerie for me as I've never seen such thing in my life.
It depends on the person, but my instincts usually give me a good vibe if there is someone watching me or closeby, things like my neck hair standing up and a slight noise of electricity inside my ears. Living in town it gets dulled but the moment we leave for the wild it really shows.
So I wonder if that was the eerie feeling, being a hiker tends to give you that awareness. Most likely though, they saw the scene and instantly thought of drug related killing, so they knew they better leave asap or get killed as well. Then the perpetrators saw that people were about and decided to go back and erase any evidence. If someone was up on the valley, they could see the hikers from a long distance too.
Bro did so good on this vid, I kept looking behind me thinking I might even go missing. Good job, new sub fersureee
This absolutely smells like police cover-up. The most obvious speculation would be to say that some high echelon cop doubles as a criminal.
Just in case you haven't heard it enough: I absolutely love your content and how detailed and insightful they are, and how much effort you put in these videos. It drives me nuts how the average channels that cover similar cases debase the entire genre, and worst of all, make interesting cases uninteresting by always scratching the bare minimum only to blurt out as much content as they can in the shortest amount of time possible.
*Chapters*
00:00 Intro
01:45 Chapter 1: A Brief Visit
03:05 Chapter 2: A Dark Discovery
08:12 Chapter 3: The Storage Unit
12:09 Chapter 4: "Nothing Criminal"
17:13 Chapter 5: Aftermath
23:53 Chapter 6: Daniel Reoch
33:12 Chapter 7: A Red Cooler
38:57 Chapter 8: "That Irish Place"
43:04 Chapter 9: Final Thoughts
47:30 Outro
Dude I knew Daniel. Nice guy. Wonder wtf happened to him.
Another TH-camr I watch stated it pretty well: “Calling the RCMP to do a search is about as effective as calling your grandmother. The only difference is your grandmother would care more.” As soon as you said they were involved I just knew they’d be completely dismissive of anything even remotely suspicious. And they were!
In Canada, a burn car is always seen as a crime scene related to drugs. So there is no surprise that police didn't do anything, but police will never do anything if a burn car is involved because they think it's related to drugs.
I mean no one would really get in trouble for drugs so why bother?
@@thedeviouspanda When you say, "no one would really get in trouble for drugs" I take that as, "with the authorities?" Because you could certainly get in to plenty of trouble for drugs.
For instance, if these two dudes were distributing then they may owe some people ...possibly a lot of money and if you don't pay they may relieve you of your other possessions. Like your life. With other people involved in the story saying they didn't want to comment to protect themselves (or similar). Seems like everyone around these two guys knew what they did and kept their mouth shut. They know where they are (likely dead/murdered) but they'd like to know for sure or pressure other people to waste time and resources looking for them when they already (probably) know what happened and the RCMP have dealt with so many of these cases they already know the outcome.
The RCMP could be after a bigger fish but they're probably, given the details, fairly certain of what occurred either way (and it does seem fairly obvious given I've never heard of this story and just the details presented in this video). Its a shame the families can't come to terms with their sons behaviors and habits.
Seems pretty clear cut unless the RCMP is dirty or complicit.
That's not the only reason, there's the ICBC reason, stolen car, drunk hooligans thrashing someone's car.
there are so many young men who have disappeared under very odd circumstances in British Columbia in the last decade or two, all of the same ethnicity, general looks, age, etc. it makes me wonder if something bigger is going on. i always see these types of videos for big cases in the US, and never any that hit this close to home. thank you so much for this amazing video. i hope more creators like you raise this sort of awareness that this stuff happens in canada, especially these really weird disappearance cases in BC. the one that always sits in the back of my mind is Bryan Braumberger, who disappeared minutes away from my elementary school in 2007. his missing person posters are still on the lamp posts on the drive up... its been close to 20 years. his poor family. so many of these cases one after another just make me think more and more that there is something going on with the RCMP. something very corrupt.
So many missing and murdered Indigenous people ... Without justice. 💔
The creepiest part about this is whoever caused the disappearances could be watching this right now and no one would know it.
yes, they could
I must say, I was sad with the less uploads but the upgrade in quality was well worth it 👌 nice play.
I grew up in Lethbridge, LPS is notoriously idiotic and useless. Google them if you want to know more about the dumb things they’ve done over the years. Knowing this it unfortunately doesn’t shock me at all that they let this slide esp knowing their attitudes towards the indigenous community and their lack of care regarding any case involving them.
I’m sorry to these men, Marshal I saw your posters for years of my life and always wondered what happened to you. I hope this case is solved in his family’s lifetime, they deserve closure.
Only one of these men was half indigenous, and regardless what you’re saying is a lie, a dangerous one that creates violent animosity towards innocent people.
@@UnityAgainstJewishEvil Did you spend your life seeing them treating indigenous people like trash? Google LPRS and tell me all the stories are bright and cheery. No lies here. They’re playing sonar in homeless encampments now, arresting people for asking for money on the streets and fining them. The evidence is grossly not in the favour of all the displaced Native Blackfoot people on the land. Your comment doesn’t take into account their history of treating indigenous people as second rate.
Your history of comments is racist as all hell, personally I’m not here to listen to anyone with hate in their hearts the way you have. Hope you find the peace you need. Please take your nonsense elsewhere.
That's it right there, the level of indifference to the indigenous community is intolerably shameful. I'm White, but grew up near a reserve and had an indigenous friend who was taken from his family by the Catholic church and raised by some local White Catholics. We went to the same convent school and what I witnessed as a child didn't make sense. Looking back, I'm ashamed of the so-called White adults of that community. And while I'm removed from that area by many miles and years, I see little has changed. The cops need a spotlight up their collective asses and a lightening bolt of accountability shoved up it!