1969 Firebird Restoration Series episode 4 Complete floor and frame structure installed.
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- On this video with dive back into the 1969 Firebird restoration by installing the frame rails and cross rail section. I then go over installing the truck pan and then a complete floor assembly. Finally I install the firewall of the car and weld up the entire assembly. This process should be the same if you are also restoring a 1969 Chevy Camaro and be similar to all 1st gen F-body cars.
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As an old DIYer I cannot imagine taking on a project like this without your TH-cam tutelage. This is a complete reference tool to not only take on this sort of task, but to give oneself a great chance at producing a top shelf product. A-Z, a great video and narration. No chance your YT Channel doesn’t become a premiere go to channel for classic car restorations. BTW, I think you would make a great educator.
Thank you so very much for the really kind words. Its great to hear my process has been accepted by so many others that are into building quality classics.
I just picked up a 69 Firebird that needs a minimum of floors, outer rockers, trunk pan/rails and rear quarters. Thank you for making these videos I am super grateful!
You are welcome be prepared for the worse when you take it apart but hang in there through the overwhelming times. One step at a time and you will be just fine. Good luck with the build.
You have a great wife to always help you like that, she's a real trooper.
I think thats one of the reasons why I got a divorce.
She hated my 65 fastback with a passion, now their both gone 🤔🥴
Thank you and Yes you are correct, she puts up with a lot and sacrifices a lot with these cars. Also sorry to hear about you losing both, hopefully one day maybe you can find the car again.
GREETINGS FROM POLISH FAN! GREAT WORK!
Greetings to you also, really cool thanks for watching!
You sure make it look easy, I get intimidated even thinking of pulling major panels off and I've worked on cars my whole life, I guess everything gets easy when you do enough of them.
Thanks, great video
You're welcome, thank you very much for taking the time to watch it and yes you are correct doing it all the time you at least feel more confident in cutting them apart, most of the time they go back together lol
Excellent information.
Thank you very much!
Thank you for the videos!
You're welcome thanks for watching!
After you cut this car apart, it seemed doomed. A few pieces installed, frame rails and pans and suddenly it's yeah, I can see a car coming together here. I have a couple of full floor pans to put in and trunk pans, I can where a chassis jig is really a necessity. A solid foundation for any project, car, boat. house or dog box is critical. Thanks for driving that point home.
Thanks a lot for watching and I really appreciate the feedback!
here is a shoutout to your wife and im sure your favorite helper, good job to the mrs....as always I enjoy the show...thanks for sharing your wisdom
Thanks a lot I am lucky to be able to spend time with her and the help she gives in many ways. It allows me to be able to do the whole youtube stuff to share with you all.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
You are welcome!
People talk about the panels not fitting but you gotta remember these didn’t really fit in the factory either. I promise in 1969 there were a lot of panels that needed a good hammer smack on the assembly line. I made floors at Oshkosh for the JLTV and in a factory setting there’s so much variance in the panels that if they don’t fit you can swap around and find one that’s out of tolerance in a way that puts both panels back in tolerance and then you can use them. This is like that, you just gotta work the panel cause you can’t swap it. It’s intimidating, it’s frustrating, they’re expensive, but you gotta work it out. Rick, you do an amazing job with your work. Not only physically but also the mental patience and meticulous planning you do speaks volume to your ability and work ethic. Thank you for making these videos and inspiring so many of us.
Thank you very much for the really nice compliment and watching. You bring up a very good point about them not fitting well from the factory and yes very true they had so many stampings they could just swap them out if one was that bad. Thanks a lot for the input on that.
I always wondered what happened to the OEM stampings and dies though. I get that some aftermarket stampings are just plain bad and wrong. And that makes me curious if they are stored somewhere or if GM junked them all or of someone actually has the real ones somewhere.
It would be really awesome if somehow they did show up somewhere and really help the restoration of these cars. Honestly with technology the stampings seems to get a lot better every couple years.
@@ericdaniels5358 I remember back the late 80's these panels were made in Korea and they were terrible fit and way thinner, if you wanted to have a descent car you HAD TO go to the swap meets to find them, that was always a blast though.
Thanks Rick and wife 🎉 . A good wife is worth more than gold and silver 😊 . Rick , for kicks and grins please give us a total price spent on sheet metal when the car is done ❤
Thanks a lot yea I am lucky to have Meagan in my life. The only reason I didn't really throw a total out there is with time prices change and didn't want to date it. Currently I think I have everything on sheet metal and it came to around 7500-8K.
i love these videos
Thanks
Cant think of a better Sunday morning than to watch You both bringing this Phoenix up from its ashes. Awesomeness.
Thank you!
I really like the "bottom up" car builds.
Thanks for following along.
Good evening Rick, so excited to be watching this new video tonight!! Am always looking forward to your next videos sir, honestly love hearing you explain everything as you work, you're so smart with everything you do. Great jod, God bless you.
Thank you very much I really appreciate the support!
Nice !
Thanks!
Thanks for being so informative bud, I have a 67 Camaro and I'll be waiting for when you do the quarters and roof panel and that's where I'm at, thanks
You are welcome and hopefully that shouldn't be too long down the road.
always enjoy the work you do very cool .
Thank you
Looking good, the jig is definitely the most important part of the process.
Thank you and yes I agree with you on importance of the JIG!
Really enjoy the assembling of this car, firebirds are one of my favorites. Had I known this was possible, I wouldn't have passed on a 68.
Thanks for watching, hopefully you get the chance at another one soon and can tackle that project!
It's amazing what's available for some cars now
Yes I agree makes it possible to bring back cars that were unrestorable 15 years ago.
Excellent job, great family team can't wait for the next video.
Take care
Thank you!
Nicely done! Lots of useful information about the how’s and whys of getting this stage correct.
Thank you very much!
Oh yeah, very nice. Looks like a starting point again lol enjoy your videos, straight forward. Quick tip that works for me and cuts down on the pre drill time for self tappers. Use self tappers for commercial metal stud construction framing. Hardened steel, small head Phillips head and will eliminate pre drill time. I only pre drill in the area that has multiple layers of metal to prevent puckering
Thanks for the tip, the screws I use are self tappers but usually going into the frame material with thin on top they don't work right. 100% you are correct 18 gauge to 18 gauge as they are designed work really well. I am also cheap and reuse them sometimes so the self tappers are worn. Thanks for watching and the feedback.
Try some of the framing screws, they have a small tapping area on the screw and go in quick and can be reused. Any home Depot or Lowe's has them and are typically cheaper than the other sheet metal screws
I will go check them out
Rick, thanks for another great video. Also for sharing your tips and tricks. I always learned something new That can help me in my home garage. Keep the videos coming, look forward to seeing this car complete.
Thank you and will do.
Thanks for another great video. Looking forward to the ford stuff.
You are welcome, its funny because a few years ago that's all I felt like I ever touched was fords before the TH-cam world. I know of one for sure down the road I plan on doing a full build on when things slow down a bit.
ROAR!
Thanks again for watching!
Looking awesome...great job
Thank you!
Awesome job man, you're a huge inspiration. Looking forward to seeing more videos on this car 👍
Thanks a lot hopefully one will be coming out soon, currently fitting more parts up on the firebird as of today.
Good video. Clear explanations!
Thank you!
Great video!
Thanks
Your video are so helpfull thanks man 👍🏼🤠 great job!!!
I am really glad to hear that thanks!
Thanks Rick.
You're Welcome!
Down the road, if you'd like to sell or rent that jig let me know. I've got a 67 camaro and a few projects if front of it. I'm halfway between Raleigh and the coast. Thanks for your videos.
You're welcome and sounds good!
I'm tearing my 68 Camaro down similar to what you've done. I normally sand-off the EDP coating on new parts because I've read where some have had trouble with thin spots and/or rust under the coating. What's been your experience with the EDP and do you recommend using it? A sincere thank you for making these invaluable videos!
You are welcome and yes if the customer lets me I always recommend taking the E-coat off, I think on exterior panels you are putting a lot of work into its a must. I have a video coming up where I show some of the rust I find under the e coating, not a lot but still it was on the parts before the e coat was applied.
@@carthageclassiccars thank you!!
So how many hours did you have in putting in the floor and trunk on the firebird. Love all the videos
Feel free if you have a similar project to email me at carthageclassiccars@gmail.com and we can talk hours as I don't like to put my labor time out there in the public, thanks.
How far are the rockers supposed to be apart at the rear of the rocker, pinch weld to pinch weld across. And the same for the front a the bottom on the leading edge of the door. Thanks.
I am usually I think around 4 1/4 inches give or take at the front to the firewall. This is not written in stone and will adjust the rockers to move the doors if needed as you watch more of these videos you will see what I am talking about. With the rear of the rockers that is going to be determined by the floor pan. I mean usually I don't take that measurement unless there is an issue somewhere.
Do you top coat epoxy primer when it’s on the bottom of the floor
When the car is complete I will go through and seal it up as best I can with epoxy
What’s your plan for the engine and transmission?
I want to try and keep that a surprise for a little bit. Also I am still not 100% sure on the transmission.
Well, you can turn any rusty old car into Battle. Wife longest is a first Gen. Camaro. Firebird If I found a car underwater that's been sitting for 10 years. I can take it all out apart and fix it
Yes you could build an entire car from brand new metal so in this age most everything is fixable if you have the time and energy.
Really enjoy your videos but why do you keep saying “ if I was home, I’d do it this way “? Aren’t you home already working in your garage??
Thank you very much and to answer your question I usually say home in the sense a home garage is something most are working out of and where I started. Usually only has a mig welder and a couple small tools. Yes my shop is at my house but I run a full commercial metal shop it of it with tools you would never see in a home environment. I want to be clear about that too some it may seem confusing. The garage is wired and setup to be efficient and to make money building cars. The goal is to make sure some understand that although possible there is a lot I can do in this shop where someone who does not do this everyday in multiple cars will probably not have most of these tools. A lot of the tools you can't even see behind the scenes.
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You have a very nice setup there. Looks like you have some land too. What part of North Carolina are you in? I was in the Marine Corps in Camp Lejeune between 87-91. You said in one of your videos you were in the Army I believe. What got you into classic car restoration? Your wife was painting a car in one of your videos. Does she have auto body job experience or is this just a hobby of hers? Lots of talent in your household!
@@Ponchofan400 we live in Carthage outside fort Bragg where I was stationed. I have always my whole life been around the old cars and just enjoy building stuff. Also my wife does not have and body shop experience but use to airbrush smaller things back a while ago.
Like always , really amazing job 🍻 .
Thank you!
Hey neighbor I’m up near Greensboro, do you like the idea of chemical dipping these bodies or do blasting ? I know there is a chemical dip place in Burlington I checked with but they very expensive.. What’s your go to option?
Hey...I am not a huge fan of chemical dipping. I still would like to see some of these cars up in person but here are my reasons why. 1 Its expensive like you stated. 2. I think it does remove all material everywhere in between the seams places you will never see ect but now you have bare metal on places we can't guarantee getting primer back on. So 5 years -10 years down the road what happens to the bare metal. 3. It puts the metal in a really high acidic bath and I think puts an outer coating on the metal, I always worry about some primers sticking and delamating down the road. I know they I believe dip it in a base solvent to try and remove some of the acid levels but I am not sure how well that works. This is based off my experience with acid treating smaller areas on the car. My preferred method currently is if I am able is to remove most of the external structure, wet blast, or dry blast the inner structure where the blasting material has no where to trap then seal with epoxy. All media stripping has its advantages and dissatvantages and really a lot would depend on the car itself.
@@carthageclassiccars Thanks, before I start restoring my 53 Ford truck I’m going to come see you and get your opinion on some things since your close by so I don’t screw up, I’m an old school mechanic by trade of 40yrs so not worried about that end but this body restoration especially one as solid and nice as mine it’s all original always was in barn dry so no major damage, I want to go about it right for frame off restoration .
@@CongoChango Sounds like a plan Ill see you down the road.