Asics Novablast 5 vs Nike Pegasus Plus

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  • @MyFatAdaptedLife
    @MyFatAdaptedLife 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    You had me at your performance matrix. It gets me every time.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Downloads are coming… I think I have figured out a way that makes sense.

    • @MyFatAdaptedLife
      @MyFatAdaptedLife 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @SagasuRunning Nice

  • @therapygrind
    @therapygrind 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    You're working hard to characterize these shoes as 'different generations' and then connecting them to separate years...when you're talking about 2 shoes released 115 days apart from each other. You can order the Novablast 5 today and it will ship in a little over a week from today. 2 current models of shoes competing right now for runners to purchase...that's reality for your audience....how is that not fair game for comparison, contrast, and a verdict?

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      (copy/paste of this reply for the other places the question was asked)
      The NB5 is a 2025 shoe and the Peg Plus is a 2024 model, which may (or may not) be updated in 2025. From a development standpoint the NB5 is probably 12=16 months ahead of the Peg Plus, which matters alot.

  • @mrne1433
    @mrne1433 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    There won't be an update to the Pegasus Plus in 2025, not until 2026 at least. 2024 is the year of the refreshed Pegasus line up and 2025 is the year of the new Vomero line up (Vomero Plus and Vomero Premium will be released later in 2025).

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I lean this way too but hopefully I'll be able to get to the bottom of it soon. Once I know I'll update on the channel.

  • @letitbleep2683
    @letitbleep2683 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Hm, as for the comment on these two being different generations; the Pegasus Plus came out August 2024, and the Novablast 5 is getting a global release 1 December 2024, just four months later.
    So I don't really see how they're from different generations.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The NB5 is a 2025 shoe and the Peg Plus is a 2024 model, which may (or may not) be updated in 2025. From a development standpoint the NB5 is probably 12=16 months ahead of the Peg Plus, which matters alot.

  • @TimGrose
    @TimGrose 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I can't say would have equated the Novablast 1-4 to any of the Turbos or the Plus but when I think about it, I imagine my average pace in both would not be that different as often have used either for easy or steady runs. Personally the NB5 is going to have to feel radically different to the previous ones to feel would want to use it out of choice for anything faster than steady. That said these days I feel I need to roll out my best shoes just to do so LOL ! I think in Nike I would pick ZF6 over Peg Plus for sessions but largely for that reason - so far just feels a bit easier. And you keep hinting my long narrow feet won't like the NB5 fit and they never were that "comfortable" and the early ones. I think I would have to put these as 2024 shoes as looks like I will be able to buy a NB5 on 1st Dec and I only did my first run in a Peg Plus on 12th Aug although those late evening summery runs do seem ages ago already! BTW I did 5.8K as my first run in my 2nd pair of Peg Plus today. Might have "bottomed out" going any further LOL but just a run to mark my birthday with the same two digits. Now then what shoe will go for in 2 years time to move the decimal point to the right... Endorphin Speed 2 Runshield was my choice for the 55K 3 years ago. Oddly they now feel "low stack". Even I am getting "bad" for this "low" stuff nonsense.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      The "model year" I use on the channel is Nov 1- Nov 1, anything that releases in Nov/Dec is a preview of the following year for the brand.
      I would never have compared the NB to a Turbo either...but the NB5 is different. FfBlastMax is a nice foam, with a big range. I'm not going to pick a NB5 for workouts...but the fact it CAN do them is impressive to me. My Peg41/Plus combo is still my preference...but if I was "away for the weekened" and had a workoput planned and only had a pair of NB5s with me I'd have no worries about getting the workout done. I also see high school and college track athletes picking the NB5 as their trainer in the spring, given how popular the Invincible 3 was in those circles. So the NB5 is going to be used in workouts this spring in many places.
      I have yet to "bottom out" in the Peg Plus...and I have some MANY hard kms in them... 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @robertw4918
    @robertw4918 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I like the pegasus plus because it's one of the few performance trainers that isn't max cushion / plated. It's hard to believe that continually running in cushioned / plated shoes is beneficial to training.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      1000000000000000% agree.

    • @TolunayOrkun
      @TolunayOrkun 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Brooks Hyperion 2 seems to be a good alternative as a non-plated performance trainer. Andy the FOD runner signs praises for it.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I cannot find a pair of H2s here in Taiwan. Even the Brooks flagship doesn’t have them outside of one colorway and very small sizes. One of the Brooks reps here told me they only got under 500 pairs total for the country…. And that’s it. 🤷🏼‍♂️ I tried…
      But if I want a Glycerin Max or Ghost Max I can have that in any size and any colorway… 🤦🏼‍♂️

  • @Daedcicar
    @Daedcicar 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I love the peg plus for more tempo workouts and was dismayed by BITR review complaining the about the forefoot foam and being too thin. The outsole is a little questionable on wet surfaces though.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Agree… the Peg Plus is nearly and ideal workout shoe. It’s been my go to the past few months. Also, yes… you can run more than 5 miles in them without your feet blowing up…. Imagine that. 🤯
      Agree… the outsole leaves a bit to be desired… but it does the job.

    • @carr16k
      @carr16k 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Have never like that channel which felt more like just a bunch of bias opinions based off feelings that don't require my attention.

    • @Daedcicar
      @Daedcicar 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@carr16k I think they were objective initially but as their events were heavily sponsored by the companies they review, it became heavily biased as you noted.

  • @Chungdol
    @Chungdol 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yeah, Im one of the people who use the peg plus as a daily trainer... But I can definitely feel that its actually shines more in faster paces. At really slow paces it tends to get very unstable.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It gets slappy for me at slow paces... mostly due to the forefoot shape.

  • @Pittimus84
    @Pittimus84 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If they add a peg + in extra wide for next year like they have in many models now I'll absolutely give them a go, I need a decent none plated shoe geared for speedier work.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Peg Plus is already quite wide (both the last AND midsole platform), with a generous upper material that will stretch. My advice is it might be worth a try on to see how it fits (if you haven't already). Performance and racing shoes from Nike don't get wide models, so I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.
      The good news is the Peg41 is very capable and does come in a wide...and the NB5 also does...

  • @drwilycoyote3804
    @drwilycoyote3804 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for the comparison! Curious to get your early thoughts / speculation on Vomero 18 vs the Novablast (might be a semi relevant comparison). Also curious to get your product POV on the Vomero 18 development / direction based on early specs and comparisons that have been released from the RE (seems that weight increased to 325g in sample size 10, price decreased by 10... compared to Zoom Fly 6 which weighs in the ~260 mark with similar stack... my current guess is Vomero is heavier due to increased composition of ReactX. reduction of Zoom X, and this despite smaller rubber coverage. That would explain the weight increase and the rationale to decrease price assuming certain profit margins have to be met).

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I should have a pair of V18s in Jan and one of the first things I want to test is how it runs compared to the NB5. The Vomero has never been a true daily trainer too me, it's a long run/volume trainer by design, so the use case isn't as broad. That being said, it seems Nike has really worked on making the V18 more well rounded and a true "cushioned daily trainer" to be another option with the Pegasus (I'll have a video out next week revisiting the structure of the nike product line based on their official announcement).
      A ZoomX/ReactX combo is the shoe I've been waiting for. The midsole mix looks to be about 65/35% ReactX/ZoomX, which seems like the appropriate mix. The density and cushion of ReactX with the leg savings of the ZoomX (and maybe a little extra pop, but the ZoomX is there for recovery aspects, not performance). Basically a cushioned shoe that will be great to log lots of volume and maximize recovery. Sounds like just what a Vomero should be.
      Bottom line: I will compare the V18 to the NB5...but I don't think the V18 will have the top end the NB5 does...but likely will be better for volume running. Nike runenrs can now choose Pegasus 41/42 or Vomero 18 as the easy trainer + the Pegasus Plus as a performance trainer to optimize easy thru max effort. While the NB5 can do the full range, but maybe not as well on the edge. I will be testing this in Jan quite a bit. Stay tuned.

  • @simplymiya3820
    @simplymiya3820 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I got the Adidas Adizero SL2 last month and really like the lightweight. I have the SB. Do you think I can fit the Novablast 5 into my rotation? I didn’t like the Novablast 4 at all. Also, what is another Adidas running shoes for neutral runner would you recommend for daily running? I really like Adidas shoes.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You could, fit the NB5, but you really have no need too. If you like Adidas shoes...you upcoming Evo SL will be your shoe. It will also be the shoe that compares to the NB5 the most in the Adizero range, even more than the SL2. Once I can get a pair of Evo SLs...I'll be comparing them at length.

    • @simplymiya3820
      @simplymiya3820 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ When’s the Evo SL coming out?

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @simplymiya3820 It’s kind of out if you get lucky and see it. March 2025 is the “official” mass release though.

  • @Actae0n7
    @Actae0n7 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    What a time to be alive when 33mm is referred to as a low-stack shoe...

    • @legocommanderwolffe8383
      @legocommanderwolffe8383 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Actae0n7 3 years ago the ultraboost was a max cushion shoe and it had a 30mm stack lol

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I look at forefoot stacks, not heel stacks....but yes, entering 2025...33mm in the heel is now "low"... 23mm in the forefoot is borderline "minimalist"...that is our current running shoe reality.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There was a time when a 15/23 stack height shoe, with Boost and EVA was considered very cushioned...

    • @Actae0n7
      @Actae0n7 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SagasuRunning We need to go back!

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Actae0n7 Not happening anytime soon, at least mass market. However, there are some great lower stack options in 2024 and into 2025...

  • @legocommanderwolffe8383
    @legocommanderwolffe8383 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I own the peg plus and the mach 6, I agree the mach 6 gets most of the speed from the rocker compared to the peg plus which is a faster shoe that really likes to go fast, the mach has more cushion tho

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I enjoyed the Mach 6…. But I’ll take the feel and foam of the Peg Plus any day.

    • @legocommanderwolffe8383
      @legocommanderwolffe8383 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @SagasuRunning if it is a longer run or an easy run i will choose the mach 6
      But for anything else the plus
      Looking forward to getting the rebel to complete the daily super trainer trio

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Longer and easier run is a Peg 41 for me… the Peg Plus is mostly exclusively a workout shoe for me.

    • @legocommanderwolffe8383
      @legocommanderwolffe8383 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SagasuRunning i dont like the 41 at all, too flat for me, much prefer the vomero 17s over it

  • @CorGP
    @CorGP 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I read the believe in the run review that compared the NB5 to the peg plus. They said the NB5 is a better shoe.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sure. That is their opinion. They also said it’s not possible to run more than 5 miles in the Peg Plus. 🤷🏼‍♂️
      Mine is that they are comparable and the NB5 is a good option of low stack shoes scare you. However, I’ll still pick the PP for a dedicated workout shoe.

  • @thetruth9974
    @thetruth9974 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you as always.
    Please could you compare Superblast 2 with Novoblast 4 in terms of width and volume at different points along the length of the shoe?
    I tried Novoblast 4 but sadly felt the pinching of nerve on the medial aspects of my big toes. It sort of felt as if my big toes were on the edges of a platform.
    Did that sensation indicate that the shoes were just not wide enough for me despite sensing adequate volume vertically?

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      th-cam.com/video/prjczPtZCP0/w-d-xo.html
      Yes, that would indicate that the shoe is not wide enough for your foot. In a shoe as tall as the SB2 you definitely don't want to be hanging over the edge of the midsole.

    • @thetruth9974
      @thetruth9974 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SagasuRunning Thanks a lot for your advice.
      Not sure if you are a fan of highly stacked shoes but it would have been great to see a comparison between Nimbus 26 and the unreleased Nimbus 27. I have a few pairs of Nimbus 25 that have worked well for me for walks. I have wide/extra wide feet and I am also overweight. I somehow felt that Nimbus 26 was a bit narrower compared to Nimbus 25 in the same men's size. I am hoping Nimbus 27 would provide a greater width in the forefoot and midfoot.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I’m not a fan of max stack shoes. I did try the N26 last year and really did not get on with it at all. It wasn’t bad, just SOOOOO not what I want to run in. So I won’t be covering the N27 or the Nimbus series on this channel (unless Asics changes the model drastically, which given what they did to the cumulus last year may happen, you never know).

  • @terpreterin9777
    @terpreterin9777 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi sir, may i know your 10k pace and easy run pace as a reference for the shoe’s performance based on your experience?

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Current 5k pace is 3:45/km. Easy pace is anything slower than 5:00/km.

    • @terpreterin9777
      @terpreterin9777 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SagasuRunning thank you

  • @MrEirik3000
    @MrEirik3000 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I get the impression that the Peg Plus, the new zoom fly and the Vomero overlap too much in usecases. One does only “need” one of the three imo.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The Peg Plus and ZF6 overlap, though one is plated and one is not, which is a big difference. The Vomero 18 has nothing to do with either shoe. It’s a cushioned volume trainer.

    • @MrEirik3000
      @MrEirik3000 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      True, but the plate in the zf6 seems flexible. And before the peg plus and the zf6 came out the vomero was the best plateless option for stuff faster than just a jog in Nikes 2024 catalogue imo. But I agree that the vomero is something different, especially the new 18 with even more stack

    • @TimGrose
      @TimGrose 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@MrEirik3000 I think I would take the Streakfly every time over the Vomero if wanted a current Nike non plated shoe to go "fast". I find the Peg Plus & ZF6 quite different. Not sure if just my large size (UK 13) but I find the ZF6 fairly stiff and the higher stack makes it feel somewhat more cushioned too. It "seems" faster as the setup is more like a dedicated plated racing shoe. Peg Plus perhaps feels a bit like a beefed Streakfly. I tend to use it as a light weight daily trainer for days want to go a bit faster than "just a jog".

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I agree with Tim.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Actually the Streakfly was. The Vomero has never been intended as a up tempo or speed shoe…

  • @johnsonch7292
    @johnsonch7292 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Which foam is softer if I missed in the video?

    • @johnsonch7292
      @johnsonch7292 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And which one is more stable overall?

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      FFFblastMax, in the NB5 is "softer", while ZoomX in the Peg Plus is soft but is more resilient with more energy return... so it's a bit of a apples to oranges comparison.
      If you only want a "soft" shoe you want the NB5.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The Peg Plus as it's lower to the ground with a wider platform directly under the foot engineered to be stable.

  • @noscop444
    @noscop444 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why do you think the rebel v4 isn’t a good daily trainer? If any it seems to be more inline with your preferences like being lower stacked.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Bad fit, bad upper, bad foam(s), too soft and way WAY too wide (this applies to the Rv4 and the entire NB lineup, IMO). I ran a lot in the Rebel v1 & 2 and the v4 is not a rebel...I was hoping we would see a shift in design and engineering in NB in 2025...but it doesn't seem to be the case. So I'm unlikely to cover them again in 2025.

    • @noscop444
      @noscop444 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ How would the nb5 compare to something like the sl2 ? I’m afraid that it would be too mushy and lifeless like my rebel v4.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@noscop444 The Rv4 foam is a mess. Just spongy (mushy), which is the absolute worst feeling under foot. Both the NB5 and SL2 have much more resliency, but different. The Nb5 has more due to being one foam...while the SL2 feels great due to the LSP core, but the LS2.0 carrier dulls it down a bit (which is good for a trainer anyway.

    • @noscop444
      @noscop444 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SagasuRunning OH MY GOD. This may sound out of pocket, but I just found an adios 9 with a brand new colorway ON SALE. Immediately bought one at my local store. Should I post my thoughts?

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @noscop444 Sure. Would love to hear them after a few runs. I’m eagerly awaiting getting a pair… someday.

  • @thelabradorandtheshepherd1513
    @thelabradorandtheshepherd1513 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sir what shoe Should i choose for slow(5-6 min/km) road running(max half marathon)..kindly name one or two..would be of great help..

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I really have no frame of reference to recommend anything. What do you currently run in? How many kms per week? How often to you race? How long have you been running? What is your foot strike? Do you pronate? Any injuries? 5-6min /kms isn't exactly super slow either...

    • @thelabradorandtheshepherd1513
      @thelabradorandtheshepherd1513 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @SagasuRunning I have been running since eight months..new to running
      37 age..so such pronation.. neutral shoe will be fine..weekly 20-30 kms... haven't participated any race.. planning to run 10k and half marathon in future just for completion in moderate time,not interested in contesting..now I am using puma darter pro (profoam,budget specific)..I want to upgrade my shoe..

    • @thelabradorandtheshepherd1513
      @thelabradorandtheshepherd1513 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I am a Midfoot striker

    • @thelabradorandtheshepherd1513
      @thelabradorandtheshepherd1513 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sometimes I feel slight pain on lateral aspect of my left knee

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thelabradorandtheshepherd1513 These two videos should give you some good 2024 shoe options and set you in the right direction;
      Which daily trainer is right for your running? th-cam.com/video/QOWYk1k90HY/w-d-xo.html
      Running Shoe Rotations Explained - How to build a rotation at all runner levels. th-cam.com/video/5z4cY1deQqY/w-d-xo.html

  • @brianreiter5572
    @brianreiter5572 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So… I guess the Novablast 5 is pretty good, then.

    • @SagasuRunning
      @SagasuRunning  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      One could say that. 🤙🏻